Do keep in mind that this is a hypercomplicated version of something that can be done simply. I wanted to push the limits! This is also not exactly as Miss Lilianae's version, which can be broken down if you're interested. The job change menu I use is found here: ua-cam.com/video/X3tgSHTUkr8/v-deo.html Hey, send me a screenshot of your job change system if you'd like! Eorzeon@gmail.com
I do something similar with collapsible hotbars without swapping HUD's. For example if i want to swap to a Warrior i have a macro on my hotbar with a tank icon and the command "/hotbar display 8" which opens up a hidden hotbar with all the tank jobs. I then click the warrior one, which is a macro that says "/gearset change 7" and "/hotbar display 8" which swaps to Warrior and automatically closes down the tank job hotbar. Between all the jobs it uses a total of 5 hotbars.
The copy to shared is a nice idea. I used to do something similar when I first started, but as I progressed I started needing the hotbar space, and more importantly, macro slots for more game play related stuff like call outs, emotes and such. Nowadays I just keybind the gear set menu and use that.
Woah, I've been doing this for ages, with menu commands, abilities, and more, and have only used half my slots. What kind of macros are using so many slots?
@@Eorzeon I use both KB+M for serious stuff and controller for laid back play, and to make it easier to fit everything on just 1 XHB+WXHB set (hate the page swapping), I do command stacking macros. Plus raid call outs, hunt relay macros, RP emote macros, crafting macros, and basic things that should've been keybinds (sprint, mount, auto attack, level sync to FATE, etc) there is just not enough room to fit in everything I want.
Dang homie you certainly have a set! I dig the optimiztion, and would rather not page swap, myself. At a glance, there's only one slot I can save you: "General Duty Key" keybind will sync your level during FATEs. It doesn't do anything else that I can find, so it really should have been named "Level Sync."
That is madness indeed! I think I prefer your system as well, I often change jobs between Fates or when crafting something. But I might hide some less-used stuff on another hud layout. And I definitely need to start making use of the crafter and gatherer additional hotbars, lot easier to unlock them on each of my characters than a combat job, and they can just sit there for hotbar use :D
He touched on it near the end, but this system can be used to change jobs quickly and very easily even without all the extra add-ons. Eorzeon shows in the video you can set up "Switch to HUD layout 2" as the C key. I have mine linked to Mouse Button 4 (I have Forward/Back Page buttons on the side of my mouse, but it can be any key really). This opens up the selector. I click which job I want, and then each macro is coded to switch back to Hudlayout 1 in addition to switching the job.
True, and Lilianae is definitely the expert on how to work the system quickly (this one is very much an exploratory "all the options in your face" idea). If you're curious about Lilianae's method specifically, we can do that! Also, @MissLilianae, how do you handle the times when you're not allowed to switch classes (just after combat, for example) if the macros automatically close the menu? That was my biggest reason for leaving both menus open, because I'd have to reopen them multiple times.
@ In situations like that I just do the whole process again. Since it's all on my mouse I never really have an issue to just Mouse4, Mouse1 the job I want over and over again until it finally goes through. Though I suppose you could have it set-up so the macros DON'T take you back and then you have to click the role icons or a "close menu" button like you had.
Yeah pros and cons. When you have one in a corner, it's probably preferable to have it remain open. When it's in the middle (and affecting the HUD), maybe it's better to let it close. I'm sure you've gotten somewhat accustomed to the timing.
I think I do something simpler with my hotbars, they're essentially collapsible hot bars that uses 9 and 10 as a base, and 4 through 8 as where I put all the macros. Just drag the gear icons from the gear list (which changes your job in one click, not using any macro space) to the base class job bar you will copy from in macros. I lay 10 down in the bottom right corner as a 12x1 (horizontal), then put 9 above the rightmost cell as a 1x12 (vertical). That rightmost cell toggles the visibility of 9 and all other shared bars. And on 9 there are macros for the DPS, support, and crafter gatherer. Clicking any toggles one of the bars visibility and you select the job you want.
That's very similar to my other, simpler Job Change Menu video (ua-cam.com/video/X3tgSHTUkr8/v-deo.html) and is definitely simpler. I wanted to see just how crazy we can go.
My layout is very similar instead of swapping HUD layouts, I hide hotbars 1-4, 9, and 10 +HUD elements and show 5-8 (5-8 are shared with job changes) 9 is menu bar and 10 is cycling custom menu that uses the non-jobstone classes as data holders for hotbar 10. When I select a job it hides 5-8 and shows everything that was previously hidden. That was I can do it on any job I’m currently on. Because of how it works with hotbars and HUD elements, can you do this to “force” open/close those windows? /character off /gearset off /character on /gearset on
Pretty interesting! I'd love to see screenshots of peoples' approaches. As for /character off, I tried sooooooo many variations to see if anything worked. Nothing did 😢
"But im insane" 😂 Nah thats just dedication. I have a similar hud set up, its what caught my eye with the thumbnail. I am console and something like this is essential for rapid changes, going through menus takes so long on console but with a swipe on pad makes it easy, quick and accessible
I have a similar system as you. With opening a menu, selecting the role, and then getting all the jobs of that role. I use the conjurer /Gladiator/arcanist hotbars as a sort of save space for the hotbars that are being copied over. Only issue is that I had to move the melee dps to the tank section because I was running out of space in the dps section.
if you know how to make a cycling hotbar, you can do that instead so you can keep it tidy, I have it cycling between melee page 1/2 and DoH page 1/2 because they are on the same row in my setup.
mine is much simpler, i have a vertical hotbar on the right with 11 jobs and the 12th button is to cycle through the 3 (for the moment) job sets (sure, healers are splitted between the 1st and second set but i did not want to create a fourth one)
I would certainly hope that almost anything is simpler than this 🤣 There was a time when I had all the jobs on 3 bars just lined down the side of my screen. I will say that the cycle button is an interesting way to reduce bar usage that I never thought of back then. Always keep playing with the HUD, you never know what you'll end up loving!
Ooo this dropped just when I needed it... I don't level all the jobs but I'd like to make them nice and tidy and role based. Whitemage is my main and always has been, but Paladin is my tank, Monk is my melee dps, Picto is my caster. And soon I'll have Summoner/Scholar and Bard. - I'm trying to cover my bases.
Man I knew I should have made that snippet longer. Yes, you totally can, and I see it often. I actually don't use it because I find the bland ones easier to distinguish. What I would like to see is the nameplate version available. Those are still distinguishable but way cooler.
I don't know how it never occurred to me that shared bars can be used as data place holders even when they are disabled. Super cool tricks here, especially when you apply it to controller players limited button sets. Is there any browser for micon options?
That was a new idea for me, too, when filming. Opens up a whole new world for me to explore. As for macro icons, these (ffxiv.consolegameswiki.com/wiki/Macro_Icons) are it. I've tried SO many options to see if there are others, but nope.
Im a sprout and this is my first time using macros and ive been trying to set this up, everythings working perfectly except the shared hotbars, everytime i switch to another class the shared hotbars just turn into miner stuff. Any help?
WOAH brand new and got this sytem working almost perfectly on your first go? I think we have a HUD prodigy on our hands. It SOUNDS like what's happening is you're putting Miner abilities on your shared hotbar instead of unshared. Make sure the checkboxes are OFF when you are Miner. You can also send screenshots to Eorzeon@gmail.com and I'll try to troubleshoot. HOWEVER, this is pretty complicated, so I wouldn't blame you at all if you wanted to go with a simpler version (I use this!): ua-cam.com/video/X3tgSHTUkr8/v-deo.html
@@Eorzeon thank you for the fast reply i got it perfectly working and added my own version! i didnt like the idea of having an opening and closing button so i made everything including the character and gearsets close when you select another class
🤣🤣🤣 It truly was quite the feat figuring this out! And @MissLilianae, I didn't want to just steal your idea! Thank you for your submission giving me the idea. Now there may be enough interest in your method that I can make a guide on it, with your permission, but my curiosity got the better of me on this one!
Mine is just one bar that copies layouts from unused bars in my crafting/gathering jobs using the command 'xhotbar/hotbar copy JOB # JOB2 #'. Get a Job macro > Job Role > Job. Works much better for controllers and doesnt use bars from combat jobs if you still need those. Sadly the command doesn't work in pvp.
My current solution is no where near this complicated, but in turn, is no where near as nice. I might have to steal a lot of what you have here to improve my own!
Hey, I'm function over fashion all the way. Definitely take what works, though. I already had a commenter share with me how they changed this Overdrive to meet their needs, and it was pretty cool. If you're up to sharing what you've got, send a screenie to Eorzeon@gmail.com
Couldn't you also do the back up step by uploading your settings to the server in the character select menu to avoid futzing about with files? At the very least that's the way you'd have to do so if you're on console.
Yes, you can, WITH points to consider. Note for PC to console or vice versa, it's the only way. As for why you might not want to: 1) I've actually experienced losing the data completely after trusting the backup process. No idea how, but it was real fun to put everything back together. 2) You can't use in-game backup as a Free Trial player. 3) If you have more than one character, you can't use in-game backup to transfer between characters. Local backup allows you to clone HUD/hotbars/macros to other characters.
I was able to clone from main to alts and tbf, I've lost my saved data multiple times to the point I know it isnt always permanent thus loosing my saved hud isn't a big deal it's just a hassle to redo but cloning helps alot when you have alot of alts. I am grateful for the cloning 🙏
@Semekilzuio Given the time it would take me to recreate over 100 macros, a HUD layout that has been optimized to my specific playstyle, and unusual keybinds, I would hate to lose everything again T_T
It's so silly that XIV doesn't have something like this by default though. There's a plugon called UmbraXIV which i primarily use because of it's Job Changer.
I mean TECHNICALLY you can open the gearset list with one button or key, and TECHNICALLY you can change jobs with a double click, which is just a tenth of a second more, buuuuut yeah the reason I went to job change menus in the first place was because it wasn't as handy, especially having to scroll to my crafters.
I thought all you have to do is set your gearset for your class and swap using the gearset menu idk what all this hotbar stuff is actually useful for, outside of maybe wanting to simplify controller gameplay?
That is the basic method of job changing, for sure. I do macros specifically to do a bunch of other stuff WHEN I change classes, like update my title, auto enter stance or summon, change my "display headgear" setting, perform an animation, etc. As for the menus themselves, THIS version was a test of capability. The more simple version I use is here: ua-cam.com/video/X3tgSHTUkr8/v-deo.html
@@Eorzeon I am still a sprout, only just got into Stormblood, and learning a lot! I'm sure once I get more towards EW and DT that reflecting on this video will make a lot more sense.
We're all sprouts at heart, learning both to simplify and push our boundaries. Stick around and you'll gain a lot of cool insights into jobs, macros, and everything under the Eorzean sky.
Do keep in mind that this is a hypercomplicated version of something that can be done simply. I wanted to push the limits! This is also not exactly as Miss Lilianae's version, which can be broken down if you're interested. The job change menu I use is found here: ua-cam.com/video/X3tgSHTUkr8/v-deo.html
Hey, send me a screenshot of your job change system if you'd like! Eorzeon@gmail.com
I do something similar with collapsible hotbars without swapping HUD's. For example if i want to swap to a Warrior i have a macro on my hotbar with a tank icon and the command "/hotbar display 8" which opens up a hidden hotbar with all the tank jobs. I then click the warrior one, which is a macro that says "/gearset change 7" and "/hotbar display 8" which swaps to Warrior and automatically closes down the tank job hotbar. Between all the jobs it uses a total of 5 hotbars.
That sounds like my simpler version (ua-cam.com/video/X3tgSHTUkr8/v-deo.html). This is the one I actually use.
The copy to shared is a nice idea. I used to do something similar when I first started, but as I progressed I started needing the hotbar space, and more importantly, macro slots for more game play related stuff like call outs, emotes and such. Nowadays I just keybind the gear set menu and use that.
Woah, I've been doing this for ages, with menu commands, abilities, and more, and have only used half my slots. What kind of macros are using so many slots?
@@Eorzeon I use both KB+M for serious stuff and controller for laid back play, and to make it easier to fit everything on just 1 XHB+WXHB set (hate the page swapping), I do command stacking macros. Plus raid call outs, hunt relay macros, RP emote macros, crafting macros, and basic things that should've been keybinds (sprint, mount, auto attack, level sync to FATE, etc) there is just not enough room to fit in everything I want.
Dang homie you certainly have a set! I dig the optimiztion, and would rather not page swap, myself. At a glance, there's only one slot I can save you: "General Duty Key" keybind will sync your level during FATEs. It doesn't do anything else that I can find, so it really should have been named "Level Sync."
That is madness indeed! I think I prefer your system as well, I often change jobs between Fates or when crafting something. But I might hide some less-used stuff on another hud layout. And I definitely need to start making use of the crafter and gatherer additional hotbars, lot easier to unlock them on each of my characters than a combat job, and they can just sit there for hotbar use :D
He touched on it near the end, but this system can be used to change jobs quickly and very easily even without all the extra add-ons.
Eorzeon shows in the video you can set up "Switch to HUD layout 2" as the C key. I have mine linked to Mouse Button 4 (I have Forward/Back Page buttons on the side of my mouse, but it can be any key really). This opens up the selector. I click which job I want, and then each macro is coded to switch back to Hudlayout 1 in addition to switching the job.
True, and Lilianae is definitely the expert on how to work the system quickly (this one is very much an exploratory "all the options in your face" idea). If you're curious about Lilianae's method specifically, we can do that!
Also, @MissLilianae, how do you handle the times when you're not allowed to switch classes (just after combat, for example) if the macros automatically close the menu? That was my biggest reason for leaving both menus open, because I'd have to reopen them multiple times.
@ In situations like that I just do the whole process again.
Since it's all on my mouse I never really have an issue to just Mouse4, Mouse1 the job I want over and over again until it finally goes through.
Though I suppose you could have it set-up so the macros DON'T take you back and then you have to click the role icons or a "close menu" button like you had.
Yeah pros and cons. When you have one in a corner, it's probably preferable to have it remain open. When it's in the middle (and affecting the HUD), maybe it's better to let it close. I'm sure you've gotten somewhat accustomed to the timing.
I think I do something simpler with my hotbars, they're essentially collapsible hot bars that uses 9 and 10 as a base, and 4 through 8 as where I put all the macros. Just drag the gear icons from the gear list (which changes your job in one click, not using any macro space) to the base class job bar you will copy from in macros. I lay 10 down in the bottom right corner as a 12x1 (horizontal), then put 9 above the rightmost cell as a 1x12 (vertical). That rightmost cell toggles the visibility of 9 and all other shared bars. And on 9 there are macros for the DPS, support, and crafter gatherer. Clicking any toggles one of the bars visibility and you select the job you want.
That's very similar to my other, simpler Job Change Menu video (ua-cam.com/video/X3tgSHTUkr8/v-deo.html) and is definitely simpler. I wanted to see just how crazy we can go.
My layout is very similar instead of swapping HUD layouts, I hide hotbars 1-4, 9, and 10 +HUD elements and show 5-8 (5-8 are shared with job changes) 9 is menu bar and 10 is cycling custom menu that uses the non-jobstone classes as data holders for hotbar 10. When I select a job it hides 5-8 and shows everything that was previously hidden. That was I can do it on any job I’m currently on.
Because of how it works with hotbars and HUD elements, can you do this to “force” open/close those windows?
/character off
/gearset off
/character on
/gearset on
Pretty interesting! I'd love to see screenshots of peoples' approaches.
As for /character off, I tried sooooooo many variations to see if anything worked. Nothing did 😢
@ if there is a way to send it over to you I’d love to show you, but that’s super rough that there is no on/off function for character menu.
Eorzeon@gmail.com I might make a "collage" of styles to showcase.
"But im insane" 😂 Nah thats just dedication. I have a similar hud set up, its what caught my eye with the thumbnail. I am console and something like this is essential for rapid changes, going through menus takes so long on console but with a swipe on pad makes it easy, quick and accessible
There are sooo many quality of life things you can do with macros! People don't know what they're missing.
I have a similar system as you. With opening a menu, selecting the role, and then getting all the jobs of that role. I use the conjurer /Gladiator/arcanist hotbars as a sort of save space for the hotbars that are being copied over.
Only issue is that I had to move the melee dps to the tank section because I was running out of space in the dps section.
It's so handy, right? And hey, all tanks are melee, so it still fits.
if you know how to make a cycling hotbar, you can do that instead so you can keep it tidy, I have it cycling between melee page 1/2 and DoH page 1/2 because they are on the same row in my setup.
I like your funny words, magic man!
I do what I can to spread lalaughter.
mine is much simpler, i have a vertical hotbar on the right with 11 jobs and the 12th button is to cycle through the 3 (for the moment) job sets (sure, healers are splitted between the 1st and second set but i did not want to create a fourth one)
I would certainly hope that almost anything is simpler than this 🤣
There was a time when I had all the jobs on 3 bars just lined down the side of my screen. I will say that the cycle button is an interesting way to reduce bar usage that I never thought of back then. Always keep playing with the HUD, you never know what you'll end up loving!
Ooo this dropped just when I needed it... I don't level all the jobs but I'd like to make them nice and tidy and role based.
Whitemage is my main and always has been, but Paladin is my tank, Monk is my melee dps, Picto is my caster.
And soon I'll have Summoner/Scholar and Bard. - I'm trying to cover my bases.
This is pretty heavy, so make sure to check out my more simply job change menu, too. You may not need "all this."
@@Eorzeon Okesies the one you showed that start I reckon I'd like best :3 💙
Whatever works best for you makes me happy! You'll adapt and grow your layouts and methods as you progress.
@@Eorzeon I appreciate these videos I've been playing for years and never tapped into all these amazing functions thanks for making these videos :)
Glad to be of service!
Make it look even better by adding to the macro /micon "Soul of the XXX" It will make the job stone the icon instead of the bland UI one.
Man I knew I should have made that snippet longer. Yes, you totally can, and I see it often. I actually don't use it because I find the bland ones easier to distinguish. What I would like to see is the nameplate version available. Those are still distinguishable but way cooler.
I don't know how it never occurred to me that shared bars can be used as data place holders even when they are disabled. Super cool tricks here, especially when you apply it to controller players limited button sets.
Is there any browser for micon options?
That was a new idea for me, too, when filming. Opens up a whole new world for me to explore.
As for macro icons, these (ffxiv.consolegameswiki.com/wiki/Macro_Icons) are it. I've tried SO many options to see if there are others, but nope.
Im a sprout and this is my first time using macros and ive been trying to set this up, everythings working perfectly except the shared hotbars, everytime i switch to another class the shared hotbars just turn into miner stuff. Any help?
WOAH brand new and got this sytem working almost perfectly on your first go? I think we have a HUD prodigy on our hands. It SOUNDS like what's happening is you're putting Miner abilities on your shared hotbar instead of unshared. Make sure the checkboxes are OFF when you are Miner. You can also send screenshots to Eorzeon@gmail.com and I'll try to troubleshoot.
HOWEVER, this is pretty complicated, so I wouldn't blame you at all if you wanted to go with a simpler version (I use this!): ua-cam.com/video/X3tgSHTUkr8/v-deo.html
@@Eorzeon thank you for the fast reply i got it perfectly working and added my own version! i didnt like the idea of having an opening and closing button so i made everything including the character and gearsets close when you select another class
Holy cow, I'm super impressed! If you'd like, feel free to send screenshots to Eorzeon@gmail.com
THERE IS NO LIMIT!
I could run M4 all day just to listen to the BGM and voice lines.
My brain hurts.....
SAAAAAAAAAAAAAME
Mine wasn't NEARLY as complicated as all this! 🤣
🤣🤣🤣 It truly was quite the feat figuring this out!
And @MissLilianae, I didn't want to just steal your idea! Thank you for your submission giving me the idea. Now there may be enough interest in your method that I can make a guide on it, with your permission, but my curiosity got the better of me on this one!
@ That'd be fine if you wanted to break it down to a simpler version.
Mine is just one bar that copies layouts from unused bars in my crafting/gathering jobs using the command 'xhotbar/hotbar copy JOB # JOB2 #'. Get a Job macro > Job Role > Job. Works much better for controllers and doesnt use bars from combat jobs if you still need those.
Sadly the command doesn't work in pvp.
Much like my simpler version (ua-cam.com/video/X3tgSHTUkr8/v-deo.html) I assume. Also, have you run into issues using /pvphotbar commands?
@@Eorzeon ........ Well that would explain that.
My current solution is no where near this complicated, but in turn, is no where near as nice. I might have to steal a lot of what you have here to improve my own!
Hey, I'm function over fashion all the way. Definitely take what works, though. I already had a commenter share with me how they changed this Overdrive to meet their needs, and it was pretty cool. If you're up to sharing what you've got, send a screenie to Eorzeon@gmail.com
Couldn't you also do the back up step by uploading your settings to the server in the character select menu to avoid futzing about with files? At the very least that's the way you'd have to do so if you're on console.
Yes, you can, WITH points to consider. Note for PC to console or vice versa, it's the only way. As for why you might not want to:
1) I've actually experienced losing the data completely after trusting the backup process. No idea how, but it was real fun to put everything back together.
2) You can't use in-game backup as a Free Trial player.
3) If you have more than one character, you can't use in-game backup to transfer between characters. Local backup allows you to clone HUD/hotbars/macros to other characters.
I was able to clone from main to alts and tbf, I've lost my saved data multiple times to the point I know it isnt always permanent thus loosing my saved hud isn't a big deal it's just a hassle to redo but cloning helps alot when you have alot of alts. I am grateful for the cloning 🙏
@Semekilzuio Given the time it would take me to recreate over 100 macros, a HUD layout that has been optimized to my specific playstyle, and unusual keybinds, I would hate to lose everything again T_T
DYNAMIS DATA CENTER REPRESENT
I do in fact have an alt on Dynamis. That's quite the snipe.
you can go a step further and add the Job Stones for DoW/DoM classes... Sadly the best we can do for Gatherers and crafters is attach the Tool
Do you mean for job icons? I do show a snippet of this at the end. If you mean something else, though, I'd love to hear.
It's so silly that XIV doesn't have something like this by default though. There's a plugon called UmbraXIV which i primarily use because of it's Job Changer.
I mean TECHNICALLY you can open the gearset list with one button or key, and TECHNICALLY you can change jobs with a double click, which is just a tenth of a second more, buuuuut yeah the reason I went to job change menus in the first place was because it wasn't as handy, especially having to scroll to my crafters.
Brave man flashing character ids in the current times.
A lala has to be brave in a world built for people 5 times his size.
I thought all you have to do is set your gearset for your class and swap using the gearset menu idk what all this hotbar stuff is actually useful for, outside of maybe wanting to simplify controller gameplay?
That is the basic method of job changing, for sure. I do macros specifically to do a bunch of other stuff WHEN I change classes, like update my title, auto enter stance or summon, change my "display headgear" setting, perform an animation, etc.
As for the menus themselves, THIS version was a test of capability. The more simple version I use is here: ua-cam.com/video/X3tgSHTUkr8/v-deo.html
@@Eorzeon I am still a sprout, only just got into Stormblood, and learning a lot! I'm sure once I get more towards EW and DT that reflecting on this video will make a lot more sense.
We're all sprouts at heart, learning both to simplify and push our boundaries. Stick around and you'll gain a lot of cool insights into jobs, macros, and everything under the Eorzean sky.