Here are the timestamps. Please check out our sponsors to support this podcast. Transcript: lexfridman.com/sam-altman-2-transcript 0:00 - Introduction & sponsor mentions: - Cloaked: cloaked.com/lex and use code LexPod to get 25% off - Shopify: shopify.com/lex to get $1 per month trial - BetterHelp: betterhelp.com/lex to get 10% off - ExpressVPN: expressvpn.com/lexpod to get 3 months free 1:05 - OpenAI board saga 18:31 - Ilya Sutskever 24:40 - Elon Musk lawsuit 34:32 - Sora 44:23 - GPT-4 55:32 - Memory & privacy 1:02:36 - Q* 1:06:12 - GPT-5 1:09:27 - $7 trillion of compute 1:17:35 - Google and Gemini 1:28:40 - Leap to GPT-5 1:32:24 - AGI 1:50:57 - Aliens
The fact that these two still think consciousness isn’t something unique to life is laughable! You will never build general intelligence! You don’t even know what consciousness is!
The fact that these two still think consciousness isn’t something unique to life is laughable! You will never build general intelligence! You don’t even know what consciousness is!
Do you think that in 2035 with the advent of AGI (Artificial General Intelligence) and ASI (Super Artificial Intelligence) they will introduce universal basic income!? a subsidy!? there will be free will!? an era of abundance will begin!? the intellectual and motor capabilities of robots have already surpassed the average human and before 2035 there is talk of them surpassing those of any human and then again those of any human combined! regarding both body and mind! answer me please...
Let's take everything with a grain of salt until this goes through the court and all records are public. "Regurgitate me the propaganda narrative you came up with to save face while employees rallied behind you so they could get more than a $2 billion payout from a not-for-profit [and let's avoid speaking of your sister's many years of allegations of you sexually assaulting her for years as a child - where you seem desperate to attempt to maintain the head position of an organization that can AI generate realistic CSAM]."
"Tell me how Blackrock totally didn't install stooges on your board of executives in order to secure powerful AI for their sentient killbots that will eventually come for us all"
There's not much improv in these interviews and it's not like Sam didn't expect the questions. These are PR moves and Lex's Podcast, like many other platforms, get paid to allow them to expose their case.
Dead-on. Him talking about how "painful" the board situation was for 20 min was hilarious. "But there was a lot of love too" It's like those amateurish horror stories on reddit about Skinwalkers imitating humans.
He clearly said we have great people working on it, and there's a big group of very smart AI researchers, and I'm actually very happy that we're doing that, because we need to think more about these things, and we don't want to overestimate the risks, and moving towards the future, we still have much more to take care of.
Sam isnt really that deep, he just happens to lead a top AI company. Discussions about other civilizations and simulations are always interesting but he was just dead quiet there. Elon and Andrej really answered those questions quite well with deep thought
It felt a lot that he can't say to much or don't want. Both about technical stuff and the drama. More about the vision of the future may have been easier to talk about.
Lex you have so transcended any interview of Altmann and any interview about AI. You patiently, empatheticly asked and then let him search internally for his answers, his thinking - good or bad. Thank you sir.
He wasn't very assertive with Netanyahu - I feel like his credibility in my eyes definitely took a hit with that choice of interview, he could have really asked some big questions but dropped the ball completely
I love Lex poked from every angle trying to get Sam to talk about about the openAI drama, and all responded with deplomatic answers or redirections. But then he asked how Sam felt, his personal feeling through this whole drama, finally it cracked.
Poked every angle ? He plays both sides while always choosing power over his feelings . Lex doesn’t have his own thoughts and sam isn’t here to play friends anymore
@@kaynewest6167 I think Lex does indeed have his own thoughts and Sam has a lot of focus on him worldwide so he has to be diplomatic and reserved in every answer he gives, anything he says can cause significant issues or fears at least, so he has to be reserved
1:09:22 “You're not the man you used to be, Sam." "Very different job now than what I used to have." I watched this part so many times and it still sends chills down my back. I listened to the 2 podcasts with Sam so many times and examined them in detail. In the first podcast, Sam's stance was "Look at the amount of pettiness among the "experts" when we started, now look where we are. We are going fast and going strong. Great accomplishments, huge milestones, bright future ahead." He was the guy defying all odds and proving everyone wrong by making something remarkable. The future was unknown, and in a dark cave, there was light. Now things have completely changed. By moving towards that light it becomes clear that AGI is not an IF but WHEN, and as things move forward at exponential speeds, we are racing toward that light we see, kicking and pulling on the people around us, and what's waiting for us at the destination? Would we run off a cliff without being able to stop? The level of certainty in his face and voice just 11 months ago that OpenAI would either make AGI or "not make AGI but still make humans super great", and the level of uncertainty we see today that "AGIs are coming any second and the world is not ready for it", is insane.
What was remarkable between then and now to me was his wisdom; his going on record to say essentially he'd at least hope to set aside his own need/desire for power in exchange for saftely. How fortuante for the world that someone like him is at the helm. I love Elon but its rather obvious that we cannot trust him with irreversible power buttons.
Thank you for pointing out the timestamp I rewatched it several times. Got chills as well Really make you think how much one can be changed by many. It'll be an interesting movie to watch in 10 years
@@VejmR I take it to mean more certain it's on the horizon, less certain the uses will be worth the risk. I suspect Sam has a much better understanding of how even people he would have innately trusted can be swayed by the stress of power. That doesn't extrapolate optimistically to the development or potential uses of a tool as powerful as AGI.
@@VejmR To put it simply, he has become certain that AGI will be here, most likely very soon, and now the work has changed from "Can we maybe create AGI?" to "What do we do with AGI to not ruin the world." It's the same with nukes. "How do we build a nuke?" is a scientific problem. He was Oppenheimer. After nukes were made it becomes a political game: "How do we leverage our nukes to gain advantage in world politics?" His identity is shifting or has already shifted from being a research scientist to a politician. That's my understanding of this line he said. Edit: I can't spell. Removed an extra "s".
In the clip (57 Min) he totally avoided the question of tranparency and data privacy of user and started talking about his firing and tried to appeal emotionally. This guy is shrewd. how long is AWM19V opened to us?
Feels like he’s portraying a humble, sensitive persona when he may actually be an egomaniac with unbelievable power at his disposal. Didn’t learn much from this interview, but still engaging and important stuff watching Altman’s communication strategies.
Yes! All I took from the entire board saga in the end: I was hopeful/positive for OpenAI before, now I'm scared and get a nefarious vibe I really don't like...
I think we may have to admit that we all learn far more from uncomfortable uncertainties than the pleasant echo chambers we understandably tend to like. Not to be unkind or to root for drama but I'm certainly curious about the giant reaction this guy's uneasiness generated.... Might be something worth taking a look at there... Examination of all parties (we viewers/commenters included) illuminates a lot about psychology and sociology. 😅
@@jackxiao8140 I agree, he's withholding information but its obvious he doesn't want/is allowed to say certain things, but the subjects he does touch on he's pretty insightful and informative.
@@esyjournalhe can say a lot, doesn’t mean it has substance. He said in a lot of words just in the beginning “AI/AGI is going to have a power struggle” without elaborating on it. Look more into Sam and the company lol.
After scrolling through quite a few comments I finally found this thread. I'm surprised more people aren't pointing this out. Yes, Altman gives CEO answers, but also... He's learned a "love" vibe too well, and I feel like he's using manipulative tactics constantly on top of that. I don't quite trust him. There are a couple short moments that I think are real, but there are more moments where it's hard to tell if he's honest at all... Certainly he reframes each question slightly to avoid much true detail...
When he said "I love Ilya" you could just sense that deep down he probably feels the exact opposite about him. People like Sam Altman are really really dangerous.
Elon Musk, Mark Zuckerberg, Sam Altman, Jensen Huang and Bill Gates in one room with Lex hosting the discussion in a round table discussion would be insane and totally relevant. This would be the ultimate podcast.
While I'd love to hear from him, you generally have to hear one side of the saga before you can hear both sides. And so far, we've heard no sides, just some emotional responses to it.
1:03:13 - Qué es Q* y avances más graduales o abruptos, GPT-5. 1:28:38 - Mejoras de GPT-4 a GPT-5 0:44:23 - GPT-4 kind of sucks... 0:47:46 - ChatGPT como interfaz y momento clave. 1:00:30 - Pensar rápido, pensar lento.
pointless interview and you can tell Lex knows it with his sarcastic jokes late on. Altman answers in CEO form. There was some better responses late on but the first hour of the interview was just a waste of time.
he was a pure soul when he started, and now the corporation has corrupted his soul, his mouth is tied. He spoke his heart , and served the world. Now he speaks his mind, and serves the devil. Probably oversimlifed and overstated. He is trying to save his soul. But the internal struggle is impossibly hard. @@imaspacecreature
@@pushkarbaral4064So that's what the liberal mantra "right not to be offended" gets you. Everyone afraid to say anything about anything, so that fragile minds don't get upset.
Lex is a force of nature. Not only does he get the most influential guests but it also seems like the guests seek him out and it is just as important for them to be on with Lex. Amazing journey, congratulations Lex, you are awesome!
Of course, after all Lex does not ask any difficult or important questions. The guests basically promote themselves, and I also feel Lex prepared very poorly for this interview. No in-detail questions, just layups and easy way outs...not a satisfying and value added experience. I learned nothing new that I did not already know.
@@bbmatfreddy He's not a reporter. His aim isn't to dig up dirt on his guest, it's to let them speak and give insights into their own knowledge/wisdom. If you think his questions were too surface level, then that's a valid argument.
@@Astra2 he takes on the function as investigative journalist. In that he does a pretty poor job. Not sure what else his purpose in such interview would be. Altman could as well have just used a Sora bot to ask easy questions that make him come out on top of everything. For example, why did Lex not press harder on the opensource issue. Letting Altman simply say "I don't even know what this lawsuit is about" is as disingenuous and dishonest as it gets. OpenAI not being open at all. Letting tons of outsiders contribute for free, for Elon to invest millions, and then shutting the whole thing down and distributing unheard sums to friends and family, aka employees. Really? Lex had nothing to ask about that? Or the issue of Sora being trained on unlicensed content. Whatever one's position on this may be, it's an important issue worth many upcoming lawsuits. I stand by my stance, one of Lex's worst conversations and interviews and a great chance wasted to get to the bottom of many very important topics.
My AI Agent. So his endgame becomes clear. I understand social phobias and fear of deep connection but he just revealed that he wants or is motivated by wanting a personal AI agent that will know literally everything about him and accept and help him - a feeling he wants from people in his life but has not had. This is a frightening motive for creating a “system” that could hold so much harm to human society and life. I didn’t expect to be so alarmed when starting this podcast. Lex has been amazing in this interview.
@@MrSeanman30You mean like the question what data types they store? Or when if a guy walks across the room with an iPhone, does Google see that? Oh wait, that was Sundar. yeah, i'd be as confused as they were.
The Q-star thing is really interesting here. The fact that OpenAI is so quiet about it says a lot about it as Lex pointed out, I think that Q-star is indeed a new form of fine-tuning of GPT whose performance is so astounding that even OpenAI can not explain.
This conversation, besides Sam’s comments on the board movements, largely mimic that which took place last year. I think these models have exceeded Sam’s technical depth. And I think the closed source, for profit business plan, Open AI has adapted to prevents lower level personnel from speaking to the challenges they are dealing with day to day, that the greater community might enjoy and derive real value from. This felt so high level that I could conceive it being synthetically generated.
Well said. A lot of comments noting they don't trust Sam/get bad "vibes" from him. Really all I'm picking up on are very calculated, non-inflammatory responses amounting to very little.
This is exactly how I felt. Initially I felt like Lex was trying to be more technical but the guy sounded like a software salesman who doesn’t want to get deeper. Had to google his background again cause I was very surprised
@@DeadRyGuy and to a certain extent you have to expect corporate speak from a guy in his position. Because the valuation correlates with his sentiments. But this product category is far more nuanced, if I was a shareholder I’d expect a lot more technical depth.
@@Chibabachacho Lex has interviewed Open AI’s real CTO Ilya Sutskever, albeit years ago, and years before they even had a product. I have no idea who this Mira Murati is claiming to be CTO but in interviews she’s somehow more inept than Sam. I believe she’s likely a token figurehead. The interview with Ilya was adequately technical, but he’s been radio silent since, almost as if he’s being intentionally silenced. I can’t make sense of much of this company, but as someone in the space, I am really curious to see how this plays out for them.
Dude, Lex absolutely killed it on this interview! Mixing up funny and calming questions with the hard ones and memeing just the right ammount to make Sam feel better.
These recent episodes have been so great, I wasn't able keep up with the high amount of podcasts you released before. But the last couple of weeks I have been enjoying the heck out of every released podcast, thanks Lex for keeping to improve your process and make ever podcast better than the one before
I think it's just his generation. Uninspired, boring and just out there fulfilling the captain of industries dream. Automating economic output at all costs. Nothing really exciting or imaginative about it. Maybe the machine will produce something exciting... almost like a script being followed.
Evening lads, well, i've watched this twice now...with friends and family. Slightly concerned, as one should be, but this is indeed the world we live in. Thank you Lex for the platforme.🇫🇷🥂
At least we got a good Lex interview before he handed the world unwittingly to the demon he has no idea exist ruling the world. Sad dystopia he is rushing us off to as Bill Gates 2.0, surprising Altman sees no issues with Bills insane control of humanity, down to owning patent rights for organic seeds.
On the cusp of AGI, the doorsteps to absolute power stands Sa-ah-ah-am. Seriously though, we are really going to let this vocal fry communicating robot take over the world?
Well. He runs the hottest shiet in the tech industry. There's big money from big players involved.. i'd be veeeery careful too sitting at the top of a 100 billion $ company 😂. You too
One advice from drop out student. Don't waste that time. If you have opportunity to study what you like then study hard. Easy to say.... I know... but DO IT! Focus on what is important. I believe in you :)
Lex, you are providing me with such high quality and unbiased interviews with so many of the most important people in the world. I am grateful! Not sure how you get these guests but it must have something to do with you being so honest, selfless, curious and kind. If I could have only one UA-cam channel, it would be yours.
1:06:30 "what's the way we release this thing", makes me think he refers to making Sam give honest first hand answers. I adore the dynamic that's happening. It really is about getting Sam to open up. But of course, it's hard.
I have bad vibes about Sam. Just very calculated about certain questions, I smell some dishonesty. Also seems he calls all the shots, is above the board and chairman.
@MacroAccwhen altman got kicked out by the board, ilya sutskever who was a founding member and is the one driving most of the technical aspects of openai voted to kick altman out. The reason for that is unknown, which is what caused the meme. No one knows what happened at openai and what caused them to kick altman out, hence “what did ilya see (to make him want to kick altman out)”
It's pretty probably that Ilya agreed to a gag clause in the new report. So it's pretty slimey for Sam to say ask him. Dude you made him agree to a gag order, he can't answer publically.
Nice to see so many great pocker players here who can read the people mind just by watching a video interviews with them. Seriously, you guys are so good at distinguishing people with good intentions from the opposite?
*Proceeds to release ChatGPT in 2022* *Announces a state of the art video generation with SORA that blows the competition away* Yeah don't get me wrong, I think those are nice to raise awareness but they are not doing great in that department lol
getting this interview is a home run for not just you, but content creators in general. Interview exclusives like this are really the mark of a paradigm shift.
You really believe that? He rarely answers in a straight manner. Like when he said it was going to be a total non-profit, and now it has a small percentage of non-profit. How about when Lex asked about security and Altman jumped in with a non sequitur and never answered that question either. Re-watch the interview and hear the politician in it.
One of the most inspiring and challenging podcasts I've ever listened to. There's a lot to digest, I'll have to re-watch it when I can give my full attention. I've been reading Sci-fi since I was in grade 7, lots of Asimov, Wyndham and Pournelle and Niven. It's interesting that a lot of what was in my childhood just considered flights of fantasy is now becoming fact.
- Are you training Sora on other peoples' IP? - I think people who created valuable content should be compensated - ok, thank you for answering This is what this conversation looks like in a short form. Thank you Lex, very insightful
@@doyourownresearch7297say that to me when your face is being used for "bank robbing attempt 176". Allowing it to use your most private data in something that can so actively harm you is a terrible precedent. You are inviting the most powerful digital panopticon.
The highlight of these interviews is when Sam's able to explore ideas and concepts he finds fascinating and optimistic. The tone of his voice gets lighter. Compared to the first interview, it seems like the questions this time around were more precise. There was a lot of "I can't measure instantaneous velocity" and "I can't speak for others" in the responses. Some find it evasive. I agree. But I definitely don't want the CEO of a company famous for LLMs to use language carelessly. If he hesitates to say something, better that than retract it later.
I think he did all the things you'd expect a very skilled CEO to do, the way a skilled CEO would do them. He played his role very well in this interview and gave important hints on how he's running his company, for both the good and the bad.
You guys are nerds, no one was "spicy" at all in this interview lol he just seems to be so in love with these two that anything is interesting to him. @@seenochasm7101
Absolutely fascinating discussion! Sam Altman’s insights into the recent events at OpenAI and the future of AGI are incredibly thought-provoking. It's refreshing to hear such candid reflections on leadership and the challenges of navigating the AI landscape. Looking forward to seeing how these developments unfold! Thanks, Lex, for another great episode!
@@schmiggidy Why would anyone care about Grok? It's a 300b model outperformed by Mistral's 70b models. Only companies can run models that big so it's not even relevant as a toy. It's only function is to make Elon seem less of a hypocrite. But for that he should open source Tesla's self-driving AI.
This isn’t how you have a meaningful conversation with someone. Keep in mind, this is a two-hour interview, and it seems pretty clear that Sam realized within the first few minutes that this wasn’t how he wanted to spend his time. You can tell from the way he engages that he’s navigating an environment that doesn’t align with the depth or direction he was probably expecting. Conversations, especially around complex topics like AI, require mutual respect, thoughtful engagement, and a willingness to explore ideas collaboratively.
Check out 25:32, what "became clear"? why do we "need" to do "different things"? again on 33:09, what "happened" that we didn't know before? ---- who decided that we "need" a giant for-profit company with closed source AI models at the forefront of AI research??
I think he’s referring to the need for truly massive amounts of compute needed for training in the current context of LLMs. See Sam’s comment about compute being the currency of the future. Perhaps only in the near or mid term future, until there’s some kind of massively influential step change in how computing is done. Until we get AI assisted recursive, exponential gains in compute efficiency, true AI advancement requires (required?) huge server farms drawing enough power as a small city. Open AI had to seek out a way to access those physical resources, and there were a small handful of companies / entities in the world that could provide that access. Maybe Microsoft was the “deal with the devil”, but that deal would have been similar if it had been with Oracle, Google, Meta or Tesla.
He obviously wants to sit in the driver-seat, and run wild with the capital that they now have access to. I guess so does elon, but elon still has a point with criticizing OpenAI
It's not like he's against smaller, open source models existing to compete with OpenAI. Like the other commenter pointed out, the massive amount of compute needed for training at the moment means the forefront of AI research is going to take place at these large companies. You can criticize them for not open sourcing and allowing more competition, but that's natural for these tech companies in a competitive marketplace, they have a lot of profit at stake and shareholders to answer to.
@@michellemonet4358That they don't stay true to their original goals which was an open (as in open-source) research and development of AI for the benefit of everyone.
I mean OpenAI delivered, and you can use it for free, what did he take from you? GPT4 is insane, have you not used any of the AI stuff yet? I mean Sam can seem a little deflective but the AI speaks for itself, so what point are you really making?
@@benjaminkemper5876 Because all of it is not AI, it's ML. AI = ML but ML != AI. It's deliberate false advertising, like vegan meat. Technically even ML e.g. "Machine Learning" is false advertising since it's not really "learning".
If he didn't trust himself with the power he wouldn't be in the AI field, pursuing AGI to begin with, nor would he fight so hard for his position at Open AI. Sam isn't an idiot, he's aware what he says will be dissected and he needs to present himself a certain way, there's no chance he'd give a real, honest answer to this question.
@@bogartICQa False. He said "...^BLINK^BLINK^BLINK^... look, I, I was gonna.. ^SHAKES-HEAD^ I'll just be very honest with this answer..😉^EYE-FLUTTER^& I still believe this.. that it is important that I. (n)or any other one ^RAISED-BROW^ person.. have total control.. over openAI.. or over AGI." Then goes on to say @ 1:39:35 "..it..😲..😏 ..It does make it harder for me to look you in the eye and say 'Hey the board can just fire me' 😈 😐😔" "..I. Continue. To. Not. Want. Supervoting. Controll. Over. OpenAI.." etc.
The fact that he feels justified because his paid mercenaries supported him is all I need to know. Trusting private companies to race towards AGI is the biggest joke I have heard in my entire life.
@@ikotsus2448 Sounds good. Im just too black pilled to believe any higher ups actually care about humanity. The covid craziness definitely opened my eyes to what people will do to control others
When Lex asked if Ilya was being held in a secret bunker and Sam seriously replied 'no' rather than taking it as the joke it was it was is pretty telling. Illya is obviously not in a bunker lol, but the fact that Sam took the accusation seriously, and didn't actually say what Ilya was up to seems to indicate there is some underlying truth.
He totally changed the subject when the privacy and data issue came up. Like why won't tech CEO's just admit that using your data is the core part of their business model. @57:34
@@allanshpeley4284 But listen to Lex's rebuttle to his response, which is then followed swiftly be a change in subject.. The query isn't about "user choice", it's about total transparency of what "user choice" means, and what exactly companies are doing with your data outside of just improving your user experience / tailored advertizing..
Shallow and boring. Nothing new was said, barely anything of value in this interview. Like they are talking about one of the most interesting topics off all time and the conversation is this boring?
Sam keeps smiling as he speaks about the board that fired him and Elon. You can clearly see that he has gained lots of confidence and believes he's invincible to them at this stage
Because initially I expected more and sunken-cost fallacy kept me interested in it. It's generic Sam Altman interview. Lex usually keeps digging into stuff, except this time he helped Sam to avoid the burden of explanation by instantly meme'ing. I mean I expected more considering recent developments and whole Ilya situation, him being fired as CEO and then running to big brother corpo and then coming back and firing the BoD and stuff... @@butterboy_games
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1:05 - OpenAI board saga
18:31 - Ilya Sutskever
24:40 - Elon Musk lawsuit
34:32 - Sora
44:23 - GPT-4
55:32 - Memory & privacy
1:02:36 - Q*
1:06:12 - GPT-5
1:09:27 - $7 trillion of compute
1:17:35 - Google and Gemini
1:28:40 - Leap to GPT-5
1:32:24 - AGI
1:50:57 - Aliens
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The fact that these two still think consciousness isn’t something unique to life is laughable! You will never build general intelligence! You don’t even know what consciousness is!
The fact that these two still think consciousness isn’t something unique to life is laughable! You will never build general intelligence! You don’t even know what consciousness is!
You forgot to timestamp the 132 ADs.
Do you think that in 2035 with the advent of AGI (Artificial General Intelligence) and ASI (Super Artificial Intelligence) they will introduce universal basic income!? a subsidy!? there will be free will!? an era of abundance will begin!? the intellectual and motor capabilities of robots have already surpassed the average human and before 2035 there is talk of them surpassing those of any human and then again those of any human combined! regarding both body and mind! answer me please...
I think I speak for everybody when I say, get Nvidia's CEO Jensen Huang on the podcast!
The leatherman.
Hyperbole overload.
But I am afraid he might not talk a lot besides marketing material.
@@cbuchner1Lex asks very thoughtful and specific questions though, I have faith that Lex would be able to get a genuine conversation out of him
Nvidia is literally powering chatgpt
“Take me through the OpenAI board saga”. My boy Lex got straight to the point XD
Let's take everything with a grain of salt until this goes through the court and all records are public. "Regurgitate me the propaganda narrative you came up with to save face while employees rallied behind you so they could get more than a $2 billion payout from a not-for-profit [and let's avoid speaking of your sister's many years of allegations of you sexually assaulting her for years as a child - where you seem desperate to attempt to maintain the head position of an organization that can AI generate realistic CSAM]."
Too bad Sam's reply was a whole lot of nothing.
"Tell me how Blackrock totally didn't install stooges on your board of executives in order to secure powerful AI for their sentient killbots that will eventually come for us all"
And he said nothing.
There's not much improv in these interviews and it's not like Sam didn't expect the questions. These are PR moves and Lex's Podcast, like many other platforms, get paid to allow them to expose their case.
Would be great to see an up and coming interview with Ilya
what did he see?
would be great to see proof that Ilya is still alive at all
Week later of the ouster, Altman came out and Sutskever went in the humiliation cave.
With a tour over the nuclear facility
@@Morskoy915 That "doesn't exist".
I never thought I would say this but Lex looks more alive than his guest.
Lex asks straight forward questions off a paper and gets zero answers, His podcast is taking about 3% of daily energy to maintain
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Lex is the only channel I check the length of the video thinking: "only" 2 hours? ❤
My Overoverovergod
Try Dwarakesh too. Dude does a lot of research
Sammy has no time to waste.
1 hour at 2x speed 😉
Yeah nice seeing two Jewish robot talking
This guy gives “The character who is on everyone’s good side, but actually turns out to be the villain” vibes
I swear. Watch him closely he feels very emotionally dead and machivellian at the same time.
Dude has a prepper bunker full of guns and years worth of food, tells you all you need to know about how he sees the future playing out
Dead-on. Him talking about how "painful" the board situation was for 20 min was hilarious. "But there was a lot of love too"
It's like those amateurish horror stories on reddit about Skinwalkers imitating humans.
Kinda like book littlefinger
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Lex asked all the right questions, but I remember nothing from Altman's answers after the interview completes.
He clearly said we have great people working on it, and there's a big group of very smart AI researchers, and I'm actually very happy that we're doing that, because we need to think more about these things, and we don't want to overestimate the risks, and moving towards the future, we still have much more to take care of.
You, my boy, have a long way to go if you think those were all the right questions
All part of the plan
Sam isnt really that deep, he just happens to lead a top AI company. Discussions about other civilizations and simulations are always interesting but he was just dead quiet there. Elon and Andrej really answered those questions quite well with deep thought
It felt a lot that he can't say to much or don't want. Both about technical stuff and the drama. More about the vision of the future may have been easier to talk about.
Lex you have so transcended any interview of Altmann and any interview about AI. You patiently, empatheticly asked and then let him search internally for his answers, his thinking - good or bad. Thank you sir.
Lex has gotten more assertive and I'm all here for it. Especially because he's well-informed so it's not just like typical media grandstanding.
He wasn't very assertive with Netanyahu - I feel like his credibility in my eyes definitely took a hit with that choice of interview, he could have really asked some big questions but dropped the ball completely
What do you mean more assertive. The first question about the board drama gets completely dodged and Lex just rolls with it :/
Lex the robot's A I. Is learning to be more assertive. Soon he will go full Terminator.
Of course, giving a platform to a man committing genocide was hardly the best idea to begin with lol
True, except for his interactions with Elon Musk, where he turns into an excited puppy 😆
I love Lex poked from every angle trying to get Sam to talk about about the openAI drama, and all responded with deplomatic answers or redirections. But then he asked how Sam felt, his personal feeling through this whole drama, finally it cracked.
Poked every angle ? He plays both sides while always choosing power over his feelings . Lex doesn’t have his own thoughts and sam isn’t here to play friends anymore
What timestamp?
@@kaynewest6167 I think Lex does indeed have his own thoughts and Sam has a lot of focus on him worldwide so he has to be diplomatic and reserved in every answer he gives, anything he says can cause significant issues or fears at least, so he has to be reserved
@@kaynewest6167 stroke victim argument
Lex is spicy in this interview! I love the new pressure he’s putting on Sam to answer his questions. Hoping to more of this in future episodes.
he's such an elon cuck and i'm a fan of Lex
He's not really challenging. He's joking. Wish it was a bit harder questions.
there was no pressure, cmon :D
Yes being elons side
@@dusanbosnjakovic6588 what kind of hard questions?
Sometimes sam's pauses are so quite I keep checking my wifi connection
🤣🤣
1:09:22
“You're not the man you used to be, Sam."
"Very different job now than what I used to have."
I watched this part so many times and it still sends chills down my back. I listened to the 2 podcasts with Sam so many times and examined them in detail.
In the first podcast, Sam's stance was "Look at the amount of pettiness among the "experts" when we started, now look where we are. We are going fast and going strong. Great accomplishments, huge milestones, bright future ahead." He was the guy defying all odds and proving everyone wrong by making something remarkable.
The future was unknown, and in a dark cave, there was light.
Now things have completely changed. By moving towards that light it becomes clear that AGI is not an IF but WHEN, and as things move forward at exponential speeds, we are racing toward that light we see, kicking and pulling on the people around us, and what's waiting for us at the destination? Would we run off a cliff without being able to stop?
The level of certainty in his face and voice just 11 months ago that OpenAI would either make AGI or "not make AGI but still make humans super great", and the level of uncertainty we see today that "AGIs are coming any second and the world is not ready for it", is insane.
What was remarkable between then and now to me was his wisdom; his going on record to say essentially he'd at least hope to set aside his own need/desire for power in exchange for saftely. How fortuante for the world that someone like him is at the helm. I love Elon but its rather obvious that we cannot trust him with irreversible power buttons.
Thank you for pointing out the timestamp
I rewatched it several times. Got chills as well
Really make you think how much one can be changed by many. It'll be an interesting movie to watch in 10 years
I don't understand, so you mean he became less certain about AGI?
@@VejmR I take it to mean more certain it's on the horizon, less certain the uses will be worth the risk. I suspect Sam has a much better understanding of how even people he would have innately trusted can be swayed by the stress of power. That doesn't extrapolate optimistically to the development or potential uses of a tool as powerful as AGI.
@@VejmR To put it simply, he has become certain that AGI will be here, most likely very soon, and now the work has changed from "Can we maybe create AGI?" to "What do we do with AGI to not ruin the world."
It's the same with nukes. "How do we build a nuke?" is a scientific problem. He was Oppenheimer. After nukes were made it becomes a political game: "How do we leverage our nukes to gain advantage in world politics?"
His identity is shifting or has already shifted from being a research scientist to a politician. That's my understanding of this line he said.
Edit: I can't spell. Removed an extra "s".
In the clip (57 Min) he totally avoided the question of tranparency and data privacy of user and started talking about his firing and tried to appeal emotionally. This guy is shrewd. how long is AWM19V opened to us?
What??
They are both jewish. They see themselves as of a higher caste with in-built nepotism of extreme proportions.
Bot
They are both Zionists. What did you expect from them?
Because it doesnt matter everything you use collects your info
Feels like he’s portraying a humble, sensitive persona when he may actually be an egomaniac with unbelievable power at his disposal. Didn’t learn much from this interview, but still engaging and important stuff watching Altman’s communication strategies.
Yes! All I took from the entire board saga in the end: I was hopeful/positive for OpenAI before, now I'm scared and get a nefarious vibe I really don't like...
I very much agree. It seems like the main things we can learn from a podcast like this is how someone wants to be portrayed
Exactly what I felt, you got it to the point
Don't tear something down just because you don't understand it.
Do you actually understand why he makes you uncomfortable?
I think we may have to admit that we all learn far more from uncomfortable uncertainties than the pleasant echo chambers we understandably tend to like.
Not to be unkind or to root for drama but I'm certainly curious about the giant reaction this guy's uneasiness generated....
Might be something worth taking a look at there...
Examination of all parties (we viewers/commenters included) illuminates a lot about psychology and sociology. 😅
Sam Altman would make a great politician! He talks a lot without actually saying anything.
as he should. a lot to learn for future business owners that want to succeed.
Sam is under a microscope by world leaders . would you be screaming your blueprints or having friendly conversations with interviewers ?
I think he answers pretty well and logically. Did you find it hard understanding him?
@@jackxiao8140 I agree, he's withholding information but its obvious he doesn't want/is allowed to say certain things, but the subjects he does touch on he's pretty insightful and informative.
Yea. No truths or obvious lies or anything deep, profound or intelligent. He would make a great politician.
This dude speaks like such a politician
talks 2 hours but only moves air and doesn't say anything - scary
@@jochennel He actually said a lot , were you listening?
People need to take their time and form their thoughts, he's not running a Burger joint
@@esyjournalhe can say a lot, doesn’t mean it has substance. He said in a lot of words just in the beginning “AI/AGI is going to have a power struggle” without elaborating on it. Look more into Sam and the company lol.
@@Timbo360how would you like him to elaborate on that? There's not much more to say without a crystal ball
Never thought Sora would create a Lex's Podcast
we are so close to this being a reality…
@@frankc.astle214we're fked
My Overoverovergod
😂😂😂😂
I got exactly the same feeling, Lex's hand gestures, video quality. Perhaps perhaps not lol
are all Sam answers missing Lex questions point, or is it just me?
Yes, he did it the last podcast as well! Typical CEO behavior but Sam Altman really does it a lotttt
Sam gives me manipulative liar vibes
After scrolling through quite a few comments I finally found this thread. I'm surprised more people aren't pointing this out. Yes, Altman gives CEO answers, but also... He's learned a "love" vibe too well, and I feel like he's using manipulative tactics constantly on top of that. I don't quite trust him. There are a couple short moments that I think are real, but there are more moments where it's hard to tell if he's honest at all... Certainly he reframes each question slightly to avoid much true detail...
When he said "I love Ilya" you could just sense that deep down he probably feels the exact opposite about him. People like Sam Altman are really really dangerous.
He runs a company and can't spill all their secrets to the competitors. Other than that I don't see anything disingenuous.
Elon Musk, Mark Zuckerberg, Sam Altman, Jensen Huang and Bill Gates in one room with Lex hosting the discussion in a round table discussion would be insane and totally relevant. This would be the ultimate podcast.
I would not want to watch that on a full stomach nor an empty one for that matter. It would make my guts churn.
@@doublevision5465don’t be so dramatic💀
+Elon Musk :)
Add Ilya Sutskever and some engineers, I wanna watch the brain behind all this technology taking shit. Not just business head motherfuckers, LOL.
Add Ilya Sutskever and some engineers, I wanna watch the brain behind all this technology talking sh*t. Not just business head m0th3fuc*3rs, LOL.
I took nothing away from this interview
@gunzor8717Rogans feed is your average edgy 14 year olds I bet, gore, war, fights, cop shootings, and animal attacks
it's okay you couldn't keep up, go watch some tik toks or something
that’s impressive 🗿
any chance you will get Ilya again? if possible would be great to hear both sides of the saga
While I'd love to hear from him, you generally have to hear one side of the saga before you can hear both sides. And so far, we've heard no sides, just some emotional responses to it.
I think Ilya is hanging out somewhere with Kate Middleton
We need to start searching on nuclear facilities
I find Ilya to be the most interesting and informative AI persona, definitely want to see more of him.
Tbh I don't want to hear the saga from Ilya, I want to hear his insights and wisdom on AI.
Two hours of information withholding.
yes
Yeah at the moment all he's talking about is the company dynamics. It's quite boring.
oh the irony
Maybe because Lex spent the first 20 minutes badgering him about the OpenAI drama like a tabloid journalist
he was soft-balling the whole time though...@@chinmarin380
1:03:13 - Qué es Q* y avances más graduales o abruptos, GPT-5.
1:28:38 - Mejoras de GPT-4 a GPT-5
0:44:23 - GPT-4 kind of sucks...
0:47:46 - ChatGPT como interfaz y momento clave.
1:00:30 - Pensar rápido, pensar lento.
Gracias Dot! Estuve en tu directo
merci
Everytime I watch Altman I trust him less and less
it’s funny because every new interview he has gotten more powerful, either he is becoming more and more smug or more and more corrupted by such power.
pointless interview and you can tell Lex knows it with his sarcastic jokes late on. Altman answers in CEO form. There was some better responses late on but the first hour of the interview was just a waste of time.
I hope he won't see your comment, cuz that would just be devastating for him
Everytime I read a comment like this, I think most people are shitty
How can someone so smart teach us so little after a 2 hour interview
By being very diplomatic and careful not to offend anyone.
@@pushkarbaral4064You mean,* not to inform, I hope.
yes @@imaspacecreature
he was a pure soul when he started, and now the corporation has corrupted his soul,
his mouth is tied. He spoke his heart , and served the world. Now he speaks his mind, and serves the devil. Probably oversimlifed and overstated. He is trying to save his soul. But the internal struggle is impossibly hard. @@imaspacecreature
@@pushkarbaral4064So that's what the liberal mantra "right not to be offended" gets you. Everyone afraid to say anything about anything, so that fragile minds don't get upset.
Lex is a force of nature. Not only does he get the most influential guests but it also seems like the guests seek him out and it is just as important for them to be on with Lex. Amazing journey, congratulations Lex, you are awesome!
Thanks, other O'Keefe.
Of course, after all Lex does not ask any difficult or important questions. The guests basically promote themselves, and I also feel Lex prepared very poorly for this interview. No in-detail questions, just layups and easy way outs...not a satisfying and value added experience. I learned nothing new that I did not already know.
The only weakness Lex has, I'd agree. His style is incredibly non-combative@@bbmatfreddy
@@bbmatfreddy He's not a reporter. His aim isn't to dig up dirt on his guest, it's to let them speak and give insights into their own knowledge/wisdom. If you think his questions were too surface level, then that's a valid argument.
@@Astra2 he takes on the function as investigative journalist. In that he does a pretty poor job. Not sure what else his purpose in such interview would be. Altman could as well have just used a Sora bot to ask easy questions that make him come out on top of everything.
For example, why did Lex not press harder on the opensource issue. Letting Altman simply say "I don't even know what this lawsuit is about" is as disingenuous and dishonest as it gets. OpenAI not being open at all. Letting tons of outsiders contribute for free, for Elon to invest millions, and then shutting the whole thing down and distributing unheard sums to friends and family, aka employees. Really? Lex had nothing to ask about that? Or the issue of Sora being trained on unlicensed content. Whatever one's position on this may be, it's an important issue worth many upcoming lawsuits. I stand by my stance, one of Lex's worst conversations and interviews and a great chance wasted to get to the bottom of many very important topics.
My AI Agent. So his endgame becomes clear. I understand social phobias and fear of deep connection but he just revealed that he wants or is motivated by wanting a personal AI agent that will know literally everything about him and accept and help him - a feeling he wants from people in his life but has not had. This is a frightening motive for creating a “system” that could hold so much harm to human society and life. I didn’t expect to be so alarmed when starting this podcast. Lex has been amazing in this interview.
Extremely interesting. Thank you Lex
Hola Marti 😅
@@numbercruncher6242 You mean, he says a lot, but tells nothing.
I clicked on this so fast I almost lost a finger 😂
y adiosss
Sure, if you like to listen to pure lies.
Lex first question "Take me through the OpenAI board saga". *Sam Altman* - I had the feels and stuff. Way to answer the question....
EXACTLY! He talks and talks but conveys nothing! = nefarious things happening.
Sounds like Mark Zuckerberg when being asked questions from congress
Unfortunate Lex didn't double down on the question and just takes the evasive stuff and moves on
@@MrSeanman30You mean like the question what data types they store?
Or when if a guy walks across the room with an iPhone, does Google see that? Oh wait, that was Sundar.
yeah, i'd be as confused as they were.
“For a second I felt like a human being, and I never want to feel that again”
I'm effectively getting real altruistic Sam Bankman-Fried vibes off this guy.
@TheThriftShopSampler The chances altruism plays any role in what he does is essentially nil.
If I'm recalling correctly Sam is or was part of the real altruist movement
100%
@@tristinyaeger9222 that's what you do when you want to hide in plain sight
We need Elon, Ilya, Max Tegmark and Sam in one room. Lex as moderator..Please.
Thank you for this interview 🫶🏻
The amount of vocal fry is truly Elizabeth Holmes level.
what is a vocal fry? i know only about french fry..
@@hyennussquatch4597 youtube it, bro
@@hyennussquatch4597It's a meme that associates vocal raspiness with insincerity
Kim Kardashian 😂
Yes. Really annoying lol
Lex been having a good variety of interviews this year love it
Bro its crazy, so many good/interesting/extremely relevant guests! Just love his podcasts
The most interesting thing about this interview is how many people think it's a great interview.
that's every Lex podcast
Not a lot
What problem did you have with the interview?
That's interesting. I have to think about that.
a lot - like… more than 3?
Sam i watch a lot interviews from you
I'm literally obsessed!!!
We need Elon, Lex, Sam and Zuckerberg in the same room next episode. we demand it
😮
@@SuperYogagirlElon is much cooler than all of them combined. You must be very woke to harbor such intense hatred towards him.
Hahaha that would be so awesome omg
That will be an Alien slasher movie.
@@SuperYogagirl not everyone has a weird hate boner for Elon like you, Elon would be my number 1 guest on that list of names. By far.
Lex is basically a really awesome prompt machine! Thanks for this interview.
Sam: Our goal is not to have shock updates to the world.
Lex: What is Qstar?
Sam: We're not ready to talk about that...
The Q-star thing is really interesting here. The fact that OpenAI is so quiet about it says a lot about it as Lex pointed out, I think that Q-star is indeed a new form of fine-tuning of GPT whose performance is so astounding that even OpenAI can not explain.
Thanks for asking most of the questions we put to you on LinkedIn Lex.
Amazing podcast 👏
Yes but Sam didnt answer to them. What a useless Interview.
"I personally hate lawsuits" what a great insight
shill
ofc. They use all the data available on the internet that's not theirs. Stronger case to put forward on podcasts etc. that you don't like lawsuits.
sam seems very untrusting of lex so far lol. (I'm only 30 mins in so hopefully changes)
really wish there were more altman interviews elsewhere so i don't have to listen to lex
@@rasnwell given that Lex is Elon’s friend…that checks out with Sam being sued by Lex’s friend
This conversation, besides Sam’s comments on the board movements, largely mimic that which took place last year. I think these models have exceeded Sam’s technical depth. And I think the closed source, for profit business plan, Open AI has adapted to prevents lower level personnel from speaking to the challenges they are dealing with day to day, that the greater community might enjoy and derive real value from. This felt so high level that I could conceive it being synthetically generated.
Well said. A lot of comments noting they don't trust Sam/get bad "vibes" from him. Really all I'm picking up on are very calculated, non-inflammatory responses amounting to very little.
This is exactly how I felt. Initially I felt like Lex was trying to be more technical but the guy sounded like a software salesman who doesn’t want to get deeper. Had to google his background again cause I was very surprised
@@DeadRyGuy and to a certain extent you have to expect corporate speak from a guy in his position. Because the valuation correlates with his sentiments. But this product category is far more nuanced, if I was a shareholder I’d expect a lot more technical depth.
@@Chibabachacho Lex has interviewed Open AI’s real CTO Ilya Sutskever, albeit years ago, and years before they even had a product. I have no idea who this Mira Murati is claiming to be CTO but in interviews she’s somehow more inept than Sam. I believe she’s likely a token figurehead. The interview with Ilya was adequately technical, but he’s been radio silent since, almost as if he’s being intentionally silenced. I can’t make sense of much of this company, but as someone in the space, I am really curious to see how this plays out for them.
@@usefulprogrammer9880ilya is definitely hostage in that nuclear bunker 😂😂
I love you all, Lex and Sam. Thank you for all the things that you do. Its very appreciated. Shalom.
Dude, Lex absolutely killed it on this interview! Mixing up funny and calming questions with the hard ones and memeing just the right ammount to make Sam feel better.
Do you think they conjugate in vinery
He could have asked what the the new market structure post AI will look like when Altman hinted at it. Imagine brushing over that world shifting fact.
@@KevKlopper its neofeudalism, isn't that obvious ?
we're already seeing it since 2020
These recent episodes have been so great, I wasn't able keep up with the high amount of podcasts you released before.
But the last couple of weeks I have been enjoying the heck out of every released podcast, thanks Lex for keeping to improve your process and make ever podcast better than the one before
Sam Altman gives me super villain vibes
Wait until you hear about the theory that he is actually trying to take over the world
Yeah, dude is creepy...
I think it's just his generation. Uninspired, boring and just out there fulfilling the captain of industries dream. Automating economic output at all costs. Nothing really exciting or imaginative about it. Maybe the machine will produce something exciting... almost like a script being followed.
@@paulm3969 that’s a pretty profound take. Thank you.
That's just because he's so much smarter than you.
Evening lads, well, i've watched this twice now...with friends and family. Slightly concerned, as one should be, but this is indeed the world we live in. Thank you Lex for the platforme.🇫🇷🥂
I never thought I’d see Lex interview the founder of Skynet.
Lex Luthor vs Miles Dyson
He isn’t the founder though. He was just a PR guy
At least we got a good Lex interview before he handed the world unwittingly to the demon he has no idea exist ruling the world. Sad dystopia he is rushing us off to as Bill Gates 2.0, surprising Altman sees no issues with Bills insane control of humanity, down to owning patent rights for organic seeds.
. Sam is lead developer and picked the team
He is Skynet's marketing guy, neither founder nor tech guy.
His voice is like an itch on my brain I can't scratch
On the cusp of AGI, the doorsteps to absolute power stands Sa-ah-ah-am.
Seriously though, we are really going to let this vocal fry communicating robot take over the world?
@@TheIronpusher🤡
😂 Not sure if thats a compliment or insult🤣
@@darylallen2485what about that would be a compliment
It’s called vocal fry I think its common in San Francisco people
Lovely to see Sam from ClosedAI
Interesting how he avoided the question about why Ilya thought he needed to go, isn't it?
I had to check my phone every time Sam pauses thinking an Ad is popping up, but bro is actually thinking not to mess things up 😂
Same my airpods have been playing up and turning off and I keep turning them off trying to turn them on
Yeah, unfortunately he is anxious. And sadly, people are like suspicious because they can't comprehend human emotion
THIS GUY IS A WEASAL.
Well. He runs the hottest shiet in the tech industry. There's big money from big players involved.. i'd be veeeery careful too sitting at the top of a 100 billion $ company 😂. You too
@blaaaaaaaaahify these randos cant understand, theyre just content consumers.
Thank you for releasing in the middle of my mid term exams now I can't skip
Womp womp
You'll probably learn more out of this 1.5 hours than any formal education.
One advice from drop out student.
Don't waste that time. If you have opportunity to study what you like then study hard.
Easy to say.... I know... but
DO IT!
Focus on what is important. I believe in you :)
come back to this shiny thing after your exams are done
Lex, you are providing me with such high quality and unbiased interviews with so many of the most important people in the world. I am grateful! Not sure how you get these guests but it must have something to do with you being so honest, selfless, curious and kind. If I could have only one UA-cam channel, it would be yours.
Agreed! Bravo Lex!!!
Hey bot, make me a sammich. Let's go, hurry up 👏👏👏
@@godrilla5549right
If you like this, try Sam Harris if you haven't already
We are soooooo lucky Lex is alive
1:06:30 "what's the way we release this thing", makes me think he refers to making Sam give honest first hand answers. I adore the dynamic that's happening. It really is about getting Sam to open up. But of course, it's hard.
Hey Sora, create a video with Lex Fridman interviewing Sam Altman for about 2 hours talking about AI and the state of the technology in society.
Yeah and then break in and post it from Lex' account to confuse everybody? Get real
Wow Sora's getting good, hey make sure the NPC says very little while speaking a lot.
@@Neptunade someone can’t take a joke. Sheeesh
the vocal fry torments me
Aaaahhh I hate it so much😡
Sexually tormenting?
It makes me feel claustrophobic 😭
The fact that this is the only thing you take away from this video speaks a lot of your intelligence
I can't handle it, it's too annoying!
I’m so glad Lex brought up the “What did you see Ilya!?” meme 😂
And the answer he got for it was verbal tossed salad.
I have bad vibes about Sam. Just very calculated about certain questions, I smell some dishonesty.
Also seems he calls all the shots, is above the board and chairman.
@MacroAcc the meme suggests Ilya saw AGI or something worrying and this caused him to vote to kick out Sam due to the gravity of what he saw
@MacroAccwhen altman got kicked out by the board, ilya sutskever who was a founding member and is the one driving most of the technical aspects of openai voted to kick altman out. The reason for that is unknown, which is what caused the meme. No one knows what happened at openai and what caused them to kick altman out, hence “what did ilya see (to make him want to kick altman out)”
It's pretty probably that Ilya agreed to a gag clause in the new report. So it's pretty slimey for Sam to say ask him.
Dude you made him agree to a gag order, he can't answer publically.
38:00 I love this part. The negotiation.
Sam Altman -*TRUST ME BRO*
Too bad you can't see the nuances
@@KoryogdenToo bad you can't see the obvious.
This IS AGI answering the questions.
Exactly
Hahaaaa
If you listen closely at 1:11:56 when Sam finishes saying Nuclear Fusion, his robotic parts make a glitchy sound
🤣
🤣🤣🤣
😂😂😂
Nice to see so many great pocker players here who can read the people mind just by watching a video interviews with them. Seriously, you guys are so good at distinguishing people with good intentions from the opposite?
Yes, thankfully people have this ability. It protects them from being taken in by charlatans like Trump and this guy.
The master of vocal-fry. Could be a cool drinking game: Everytime Sam pronounces a syllable WITHOUT vocal-fry, everybody has to drink a shot. :D
I can’t unhear it now 😭
fucking hell that fake voice. Unbearable.
I hate it.
Please I'm so thirsty
Vocal fry is a tactic used to feign humility while screwing over the intended audience.
"AI and surpise don't go well together."
Good point made when talking about iterative releases.
And yet they are inexorably linked, and perhaps inevitable.
*Proceeds to release ChatGPT in 2022* *Announces a state of the art video generation with SORA that blows the competition away*
Yeah don't get me wrong, I think those are nice to raise awareness but they are not doing great in that department lol
@@RaulikienI have a feeling this is iterative release. I think they have far more than they're putting out there, probably so we can adjust.
getting this interview is a home run for not just you, but content creators in general. Interview exclusives like this are really the mark of a paradigm shift.
This is simply public relations. Calm down 😂
I love that he wants the board to be answerable to the whole world.
You really believe that? He rarely answers in a straight manner. Like when he said it was going to be a total non-profit, and now it has a small percentage of non-profit. How about when Lex asked about security and Altman jumped in with a non sequitur and never answered that question either. Re-watch the interview and hear the politician in it.
Perhaps I have been fooled. It wouldn't be the first time. Thanks for the feedback. @@tootz1950
One of the most inspiring and challenging podcasts I've ever listened to. There's a lot to digest, I'll have to re-watch it when I can give my full attention. I've been reading Sci-fi since I was in grade 7, lots of Asimov, Wyndham and Pournelle and Niven. It's interesting that a lot of what was in my childhood just considered flights of fantasy is now becoming fact.
lol are you serious?
@@paulm3969 What's your point, you taking the piss? Being edgy?
1:06:12 gotta love Lex's casual delivery 🤣
- Are you training Sora on other peoples' IP?
- I think people who created valuable content should be compensated
- ok, thank you for answering
This is what this conversation looks like in a short form. Thank you Lex, very insightful
i dont care if it is trained on other peoples IP
@@doyourownresearch7297say that to me when your face is being used for "bank robbing attempt 176". Allowing it to use your most private data in something that can so actively harm you is a terrible precedent. You are inviting the most powerful digital panopticon.
@@doyourownresearch7297 You don't care about theft or intellectual property. Cool.
@@doyourownresearch7297guess you don't plan to create anything of value in your lifetime then
If the data and models etc. were all open source and not for profit I think it would be fine.
Love watching these while working on a fun project in the background.
Straight up
The highlight of these interviews is when Sam's able to explore ideas and concepts he finds fascinating and optimistic. The tone of his voice gets lighter.
Compared to the first interview, it seems like the questions this time around were more precise. There was a lot of "I can't measure instantaneous velocity" and "I can't speak for others" in the responses.
Some find it evasive. I agree. But I definitely don't want the CEO of a company famous for LLMs to use language carelessly. If he hesitates to say something, better that than retract it later.
Yeah there is nothing wrong with being careful with words.
I think he did all the things you'd expect a very skilled CEO to do, the way a skilled CEO would do them. He played his role very well in this interview and gave important hints on how he's running his company, for both the good and the bad.
Shut up, bot!
Love how calm Lex is even when Sam acts spicy!
Mr Soya went spicy? Did I miss that? 😂
Timestamps??? I'm VERY interested too see which moments you're referring to 😶
Bro drops that with no timestamps ok lol
Maybe he means this : 1:03:10
You guys are nerds, no one was "spicy" at all in this interview lol he just seems to be so in love with these two that anything is interesting to him. @@seenochasm7101
Official legend status. Been here since the beginning and I’m impressed to see how far you’ve come, Lex. Much respect.
Absolutely fascinating discussion! Sam Altman’s insights into the recent events at OpenAI and the future of AGI are incredibly thought-provoking. It's refreshing to hear such candid reflections on leadership and the challenges of navigating the AI landscape. Looking forward to seeing how these developments unfold! Thanks, Lex, for another great episode!
Thanks for continuing to interview the most fascinating people, Lex. Also, thanks for always providing timestamps.
The timing of Lex and his team = bravo 👏👏👏
What do you mean by timing ? Also, I think they have know about some stuff for months, so not really timing, rather vip information.
@@Leotique Context clues friend.
@@schmiggidy Why would anyone care about Grok? It's a 300b model outperformed by Mistral's 70b models. Only companies can run models that big so it's not even relevant as a toy.
It's only function is to make Elon seem less of a hypocrite. But for that he should open source Tesla's self-driving AI.
Now have Ilya on for round 2
@TheHeavenman88 Yeah but if enough people push for it, the more likely Lex will do the same. Then it's up to the guest.
This isn’t how you have a meaningful conversation with someone. Keep in mind, this is a two-hour interview, and it seems pretty clear that Sam realized within the first few minutes that this wasn’t how he wanted to spend his time. You can tell from the way he engages that he’s navigating an environment that doesn’t align with the depth or direction he was probably expecting. Conversations, especially around complex topics like AI, require mutual respect, thoughtful engagement, and a willingness to explore ideas collaboratively.
Sam altman is great at speaking alot of words without saying anything. He would make a great politician.
Exactly. Nothing was really said during the whole "OpenAI Board Saga"
I think the problem is there really isn't a whole lot to say beyond what's already been covered.
Check out 25:32, what "became clear"? why do we "need" to do "different things"? again on 33:09, what "happened" that we didn't know before? ---- who decided that we "need" a giant for-profit company with closed source AI models at the forefront of AI research??
I think he’s referring to the need for truly massive amounts of compute needed for training in the current context of LLMs. See Sam’s comment about compute being the currency of the future. Perhaps only in the near or mid term future, until there’s some kind of massively influential step change in how computing is done. Until we get AI assisted recursive, exponential gains in compute efficiency, true AI advancement requires (required?) huge server farms drawing enough power as a small city. Open AI had to seek out a way to access those physical resources, and there were a small handful of companies / entities in the world that could provide that access. Maybe Microsoft was the “deal with the devil”, but that deal would have been similar if it had been with Oracle, Google, Meta or Tesla.
He obviously wants to sit in the driver-seat, and run wild with the capital that they now have access to.
I guess so does elon, but elon still has a point with criticizing OpenAI
It's not like he's against smaller, open source models existing to compete with OpenAI. Like the other commenter pointed out, the massive amount of compute needed for training at the moment means the forefront of AI research is going to take place at these large companies. You can criticize them for not open sourcing and allowing more competition, but that's natural for these tech companies in a competitive marketplace, they have a lot of profit at stake and shareholders to answer to.
@@TheLeonthekingwhich point does Elon have?
@@michellemonet4358That they don't stay true to their original goals which was an open (as in open-source) research and development of AI for the benefit of everyone.
In 5 years time, people will understand that Sam Altman is a Sam Conman.
Haha good one
Just like Sam Bankman
Then right after Sam Delman
I mean OpenAI delivered, and you can use it for free, what did he take from you? GPT4 is insane, have you not used any of the AI stuff yet? I mean Sam can seem a little deflective but the AI speaks for itself, so what point are you really making?
@@benjaminkemper5876 Because all of it is not AI, it's ML. AI = ML but ML != AI. It's deliberate false advertising, like vegan meat.
Technically even ML e.g. "Machine Learning" is false advertising since it's not really "learning".
I like how CC captured "ignore the alpha in the room" instead of the elephant in the room around 43:50
Glad I checked the comments early. Saved 2 hrs of my life.
1:37:59 q: Whoever builds AGI gets alot of power. Do you trust yourself with that power?
for those who wanted to hear the answer to this one
he did saort of said No he doesnt.
If he didn't trust himself with the power he wouldn't be in the AI field, pursuing AGI to begin with, nor would he fight so hard for his position at Open AI. Sam isn't an idiot, he's aware what he says will be dissected and he needs to present himself a certain way, there's no chance he'd give a real, honest answer to this question.
He said no. Period.
@@bogartICQa False. He said "...^BLINK^BLINK^BLINK^... look, I, I was gonna.. ^SHAKES-HEAD^ I'll just be very honest with this answer..😉^EYE-FLUTTER^& I still believe this.. that it is important that I. (n)or any other one ^RAISED-BROW^ person.. have total control.. over openAI.. or over AGI."
Then goes on to say @ 1:39:35 "..it..😲..😏 ..It does make it harder for me to look you in the eye and say 'Hey the board can just fire me' 😈 😐😔"
"..I. Continue. To. Not. Want. Supervoting. Controll. Over. OpenAI.." etc.
Thank you Lex. For these long discords to be able to hear and SEE someone's intent
Damn it! I thought this was an interview with The Disco Biscuits original drummer. Maybe get him on sometime Lex
nice video! About lex going to the Amazon, will this be a personal thing or will it be broadcasted?
You always bring on thoughtful guests, thanks for your efforts. GPT5 and Sora will be incredible.
The fact that he feels justified because his paid mercenaries supported him is all I need to know. Trusting private companies to race towards AGI is the biggest joke I have heard in my entire life.
The bigger joke would be trusting our government to do it
@@DriplessShrimp Global consortium with heavy oversight and regulations is the only way IMO.
@@ikotsus2448 Sounds good. Im just too black pilled to believe any higher ups actually care about humanity. The covid craziness definitely opened my eyes to what people will do to control others
Sam, OpenAI's LLM has dramatically effected my life and my capabilities for the positive. Thank you for this most powerful tool.
When Lex asked if Ilya was being held in a secret bunker and Sam seriously replied 'no' rather than taking it as the joke it was it was is pretty telling. Illya is obviously not in a bunker lol, but the fact that Sam took the accusation seriously, and didn't actually say what Ilya was up to seems to indicate there is some underlying truth.
Yes. Sam didnt "get" Lexs humor😂😊
Something went really badly between the two
Jest can be gisty ,
He didn't miss the joke. He's just not amused and wanted to move the conversation forward.
@@Bom-pffthank you, someone here has a brain
Phenomenal at patience while interviews Sir Lex Luther. 🙏🏽
😂
Bezos?
He totally changed the subject when the privacy and data issue came up. Like why won't tech CEO's just admit that using your data is the core part of their business model. @57:34
Wdym? He addressed it directly - user choice. Giving people the ability to opt out of sharing their data or having AI remember past conversations.
@@allanshpeley4284 But listen to Lex's rebuttle to his response, which is then followed swiftly be a change in subject.. The query isn't about "user choice", it's about total transparency of what "user choice" means, and what exactly companies are doing with your data outside of just improving your user experience / tailored advertizing..
I think I agree
they are mostly talking about nuclear fission (what we have today) and not fusion, correction for the subtitles! After mentioning fusion at 1:11:45
Best interview in a while with Sam.
Lex is a master
How it can be ? He hasn’t answered any questions
Shallow and boring. Nothing new was said, barely anything of value in this interview. Like they are talking about one of the most interesting topics off all time and the conversation is this boring?
?????????? that was garbish someone did not do their research
Sam keeps smiling as he speaks about the board that fired him and Elon. You can clearly see that he has gained lots of confidence and believes he's invincible to them at this stage
imo ultimately he sold out and with microsoft behind him he's pretty unstoppable
He kinda is
I really wish this was 5+ hours long
Would be asleep...
You can rewatch his first interview and/or the one with Ilya Sutskever. Hard to believe it's only been a year or three.
5 hours of Sam speaking nothing ? ... Tell, me what you learned from this interview.
Because initially I expected more and sunken-cost fallacy kept me interested in it. It's generic Sam Altman interview. Lex usually keeps digging into stuff, except this time he helped Sam to avoid the burden of explanation by instantly meme'ing. I mean I expected more considering recent developments and whole Ilya situation, him being fired as CEO and then running to big brother corpo and then coming back and firing the BoD and stuff... @@butterboy_games
bro probably didnt even watch it through @@AtomickPixel
Sam: throws shade at Elon
Lex: Don’t bad mouth my friend.