Truth About Elon Musk vs Sam Altman: AI, Immortality, War, Power & Simulation Theory | Bryan Johnson
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Today's episode promises to challenge your perceptions and elevate your understanding of what the future holds as we peer into the horizon of humanity's next great leap.
I’m joined by Bryan Johnson, the “most measured man in history” who lets AI make all of his health and wellness decisions for him - because the algorithm can do better than he can.
Bryan Johnson is an ultra successful entrepreneur who believes that, while we like to think Homo sapiens represent the pinnacle of intelligence on Earth, there is an urgent need for a new form of intelligence that transcends self-interest and tackles inherent flaws, like self-destructive behaviors and other destructive tendencies, like war and global warming.
Get ready to rethink traditional approaches to living as we dive deep into topics like:
- Why Ozempic is an algorithm
- Treatments for penis health
- “Don’t Die” philosophy a new religion?
- The impact of algorithms on our future
- AI alignment and extending life through cellular reprogramming
- Superintelligence, society, and ethics
- How AI can change our reality and perception
- The challenge of aligning human behavior with the greater good
- The catastrophic consequences of getting AI engineering wrong
- The role of religion and tradition in problem-solving versus practical actions
- Concerns about the loss of autonomy and authoritarianism due to AI
- The future possibilities with AI, consciousness, and technological integration
- Technology's influence on expanding conscious states
This is a pivotal moment in history that people will look back on in the year 2500 - the question is, will we fuck it up?
Chapter Markers:
[0:00] Let the algorithms control you
[30:25] Control over AI, climate, and disasters
[55:20] Unimaginable & unexpected solutions
[1:05:44] A revolution is coming
[1:24:21] Trade-offs of AI decision making
[1:45:30] First principles vs. zeroeth thinking
[2:11:19] Digital time perception and hacking to slow time
[2:40:24] Quantifying penis health
Powerful Quotes From Bryan Johnson:
"I would much rather have an algorithm take care of my health than wellness than I would myself."
"We don't understand that death can be conquered. It is a reasonable thing to say that's possible. And if you do that, then the idea of becoming some kind of expansive, omnipotent kind of intelligence, we don't know what the limitation is."
"Right now, it's about the future of the species and it's about this contemplation of we're probably NOT going to make it through this moment if we can't figure out how to not to annihilate ourselves."
"No one thought that in early New York, when horses were the primary mode of transport and manure was the biggest problem in New York, polluting the Hudson and making everyone sick, no one thought the model T would be the solution to horse manure. It just wasn't on people's minds."
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Thank you for the heads up! Much appreciated.
Immortality closer than....like that is news?
2:15:29 / 3:05:59 you probably talk about the Fermi Paradox.
Apprecciate! Thanks for this statement!
If AGI CAN compute faster than any human by many orders and Bryan used the alpha go example as an alien like ability to come up with algos for play much quicker and with higher solutions than any player is the implication that zeroeth principled thinking /ideas come from first principle foundation that AGI will have and that Bec of its vast greater speed that it will arrive at “zeroeth” principled ideas simply bec it will bring them out at a higher frequency in the general human total ?
Alternatively isn’t it also possible that zeroeth principled ideas are
Different than more alpha go strategies ? And that zeroeth ideas have thus far
Come from humans and that apart
From some novel first principle products, that until a zeroeth principle is demonstrated by AGI it is possible that only humans cannot have for this on earth and AGI may
NOT come up with any at all ? M
I’m surrounded by co workers on lunch eating processed food and scrolling TikTok. The bar is low.
living in the moment for sure
I wouldn’t set that as a bar to be above, more like a bottom.
Everyone in America is fat and has a diagnosed mental illness
be the example I guess. Lol. Or change surroundings.
Is tiktok worse than IG FB or UA-cam???
Man held that terrific posture for 3 hours straight. That's commitment.
he worships data from startrek
It's a weirdo geek posture. He seems like one of those high intellect low wisdom/sagacity types.
@@ejkalegal3145 But he is a tough guy, can't be controlled.
Already AI plant advocating ending human race
Lol, having a good posture for 3 hours is inpressive now 😂 people degradation knows no limits
The way he talks about relating the planet to our bodies is an intrinsically spiritual and indigenous idea. Treat the Earth as you treat your body. I like this guy
That’s Earth fucked then!
but his methods to achieve that I think are oxymoron's
Except he is denying time and unforeseen occurrence.
No, what he is saying is that AGI will literally force us to do this. Do you people not recognize utopian thinking when you hear it? This shit is dangerous, and even more dangerous that you idiots think this is mechanically a *good* idea. TF?
Define oxymoron ?
"It's much more reasonable to bet on the improvement of AI than the improvement of the human condition." He nailed it.
Because the human condition is a hoax! 😂 There is no condition. He's only contradicting himself as he learns how to support his body but we have no real understanding or control over our biology. It is what it is and we have stood the test of time forever since the dawn of our existence. He has such hate towards religion. To call religion not practical!!? Wow. This is some deep antichrist shit. Elon Musk is more religious then him tbh Elon has a much better perspective because he doesn't undermine the beauty and mystery wich is creation.
Bet on your replacement? No
@@friarnewborg9213 if we take into account one of the most basic laws of nature "survival of the fittest" then Yes. everyone is replaceable by their better versions. (unless you don't believe in the Laws of Nature. In this case you are a * of Nature, maybe? hehe 🙂
bryan johnson looks about 28-62 years old
Exactly. I can't tell. He sounds like a kid, but his complexion is horrible. Algo needs to make him look better.
He looks very tired in this one. But for his age he looks really good. Great physique.
he looks like a 40+ years old vampire
His sleep score is probably slacking then
He looks like a 33 year old heroin addict who JUST got sober and ate a pomegranate...
People have to be at a point in their lives when the reality is, this is the way! One of the most popular quotes attributed to Ayn Rand is: “You can avoid reality, but you cannot avoid the consequences of avoiding reality.
Good luck with your indoctrination.
That is hyper true when it comes to diet and lifestyle.
@@bubscat2984what?
@@bubscat2984?
Tom. Excuse me. “You have to get AI aligned “ only to follow with all the faintest hints at recognition of the risks. Possibly saying those that don’t at least become adept at utilizing competitive advantages may suffer in a competitive environment where one’s competitors use these tools to advantage. But perhaps we all need to be informed sufficiently that as a society we don’t allow the bad actors to of which it is abundantly obvious there are too many of to operate so rapidly in wreaking havoc that may require generations to repair at massive public cost. I judge that you along with most of the commentary class we hear from making is that we are too naive to resolve the dilemma in advance and so let’s rush forward and grapple with the consequences.
I love how he thinks. Makes me excited about the future knowing there are people like Bryan.
I want to make a general statement I would love everyone to think about it:
Be careful what you wish for...
We don't wanna live forever we just want to choose when do we want to die
@@meartin This is probably the most sane comment I've ever heard about the whole "live forever" thing. I totally agree, even though I couldn't express it like this. That's my speech now
@@rodwinter5748 Yes brotha
We need more people thinking outside the box like this guy. I loved every second of this interview.
LMFAO!
Me too. I loved this conversation!!!
He's literally thinking we need to take our thoughts and jam them inside of a box and trust an unproven AI. On the basis that most of our ideas are wrong and AI one of our ideas he's gambling the farm on one pig.
from what I see most people think like him, give up all power to whatever is deemed "master" at the current time. I find it to be quite retarded.
there are a lot of people like that, its just that nobody cares what these people say because they have no influence and are not "famous" like he is.
This might be one of the most FASCINATING, exciting, and INSPIRING interviews I have ever watched. Absolutely incredible. Thank you so much to the both of you for this interview!
Such a crazy moment now in the human experience where we may be going from the fear of dying to the fear of not being able to die.
Kinda wild if Ai gets to the point where they can block one from outing himself as a way to relieve himself from a terrifying world. Lol
@@Godspeedysick Revelation 9:6 - "During those days people will seek death but will not find it; they will long to die, but death will elude them." The Bible. Prophesied for just under 2000 years. And it's going to become a reality the way things are working out.
Why would AI or whoever controls the technology decide to keep every person alive? They are already talking about overpopulation.
@@zinknot I think it’s because human consciousness is much closer to god-like abilities than anything else. Imagine tapping into half of the many possibilities. It also shockingly reminds me of a scene from The Matrix where humans were farmed. AGI and ASI need us. And we should never underestimate the importance of consciousness and the brain.
some think its the perfect trap of ego, eterntal at what cost.. soul?
maybe hell is being immortal
but their skin can still be pierced and slashed
Didn’t think I would listen to the whole three hours but really mind expanding interview. I had never heard of this guest before, so I came in with no preconceived notions of who he is, etc.
I can see Karl Marx having this same conversation, "I understand your concerns, but the STATE optimizes your algorithms."
interesting how Marx has "safe-pass" in public discourse while hit*er doesn't, since Marx's communism killed way more people than Hit*er's "Naz"...
"Don't die is the most threatening thing you can say to a human in this moment."
I have never heard of Bryan Johnson but I am very much enjoying this 2 hrs in. He obviously has put much thought into expansion of the human experience. Very interesting and thought provoking.
Flagrant was an important podcast for Bryan, I've understood him for a while and it's great to see others understanding too. I'm genuinely happy for him.
What if this level of intensity of trying to solve for “don’t die” keeps us from solving for “let’s live”?
But it doesn't. The whole 'Let's live' mentality is something that depends on the personality of the person. Scientists will solve aging during their work hours while the rest of us...well...solve other problems during our respective work hours :P And in our off-time, we enjoy life. And soon with life extension, we'll have more of that life to enjoy.
I’m in! My mother has Alzheimer’s and anything I can do to help support a future without this heartbreaking disease.. I’m in. Joined via your website and am digging in hard now! Also spreading the word. Thank you both for this mind opening and mind bending conversation ❤ AI and love 🌍 Don’t die
I feel you! My mother has Alzheimer’s as well. It is the most heartbreaking thing to watch your loved one go through this deteriorating nightmare. I’m open to his idea and it’s great if he can achieve his goal,but the level of extremism that is needed feels very overwhelming and daunting to try to replicate with this approach. I’m also have 2 kids with autism and frankly all my resources emotionally and financially are tapped out to go down this rabbit hole. I do feel resistant to this idea at my core and maybe I’m just too old, and hardwired that death is part of the process of life. Maybe for my children this can be their future…
What a brilliant conversation. Every time I listen to Bryan and Tom, my mind expands in a way that only some transcendentalists have been able to describe by questioning their existence.
Bryan also has some influence in his thinking from the Book of Abraham from LDS and fundamental basis from "Zero of the history of a dangerous idea".
Thank you, Tom and Bryan.
Good job
It’s going to get wild out there kids!
What if…the game of life is to live our life on earth in fulfilment, embrace the struggles, learning the lessons, then returning to the realm of infinite consciousness when we die?…to level up! We’re going to be faced with a very tough decision in the not-too-distant future. I do feel this is birthing a new religion like Tom said…
Imagine people living with an algorythm instead of an ego 😮
Yep, that's what happens. Actually, your Spirit is always a part of the infinite, it's just that when you are living it becomes embodied and has the abiliry to affect a small aspect of material reality--to raise or lower a hominids consciousness.
Have you been listening to Rudolph Steiner's lectures? 😂
@@icymmd7060what a stupid statement, so because one kid died you want to leave the rest behind and die too? Make it make sense.
Its Birthing the Antichrist!!
Beautiful conversation thank you. When it comes to living in the matrix theory the don’t die theory makes perfect sense and happy to see someone experimenting with his own body to prove his theory. Just blown away by this interview thanks again. ❤
I'm a bit conflicted about this subject and on Johnson. As many (most?) people, I became terrified of death at an early age. My parents were agnostics so when I asked them what happens after you die at maybe 6 or so, they said that no one knows for sure and they went over the different options. The idea that there could be eternal oblivion even at that early age, was both scary and depressing and felt like I'd been handed the worst news of my life.
I became a full on atheist when I was 14 as I was very science-oriented, and basically just avoided thinking about death by developing this coping mechanism of saying that I was either going to get cryogenically frozen and thawed when people figured out how to "cure" death, or I would make up this fantasy that in the far future, after humanity solves the question of death, and on top of that is able to figure out time travel, that they will essentially start going back in time and "grabbing" people who were about to die, replacing them with a physical copy (so that the people examining them post mortem wouldn't know the difference), but taking the live "real" version and "freezing" it, bringing it back to the future, and then fixing all it's physical issues and making it (you) immortal.
I'm now 55 and have had some health issues (heart disease) that make it less likely I'm going to live to a ripe old age of 100, so I'm much more aware of the technology and hope that AI will speed things up to a point where I might just be able to live a much longer life than I would without it. But facing your mortality in a real way can also make you fatalistic. When you are young, it is so far away that it is just this theoretical black cloud on the horizon. When you are older it's a constant possibility, maybe not today, but you just never know given the unpredictability of health when you have a chronic disease. I still do everything I can to improve my chances. I have a very strict diet, I try to stay active and exercise as best I can, I try to keep stress to a minimum by meditating and avoiding stressful situations and relationships, and I make getting 8 hours of good sleep a big priority. But I also realize I don't have ultimate control over when I die, and I'm not going to prevent it by simply measuring my bloodwork every week or many of the other things that Johnson does (even if that were financially and logistically possible for me).
The other thing I would say is that as I've gotten more into meditation and ideas via Buddhism and Hinduism (as well as secular schools) around non-duality, I have become more "friendly" to the idea that death is not necessarily complete oblivion. I'm agnostic though, so I can't say it is or isn't, but I do think that it's anyone's guess. This is all to say that I will keep doing what I can that is manageable and sustainable for me. Johnson obviously has a much higher tolerance (and a much larger bank account) with which to experiment on himself, and I'm glad that people like him are around pushing the envelope. But I don't think I'm going to be joining his "religion" quite yet. Maybe in the next 5 or 10 years if I make it that long (I'm probably being overly dramatic here, lol, I'm pretty healthy, and haven't had any real issues or 5 years), but for now he is an interesting person to follow to see how he can push certain aspects of aging in a noticeable direction, and hopefully AI will make things even more noticeable soon, but also accessible to those of us who are not millionaires!
All Christians believe in eternal life. A few never died but were taken by God while alive. It's written in the Bible. Most just die till the judgment. Maybe the aliens have something to do with it. I haven't seen any of them. I'm just guessing.
You can still get in an accident no matter what comes along. If they do come up with something in your lifetime at 55 it will still only be for the rich or chosen ones for along time if not forever. It will be a weird way of getting rid of certain types. Whoever they decide.
Age gracefully…get outside and enjoy your life. Today.🌎☀️💙
@@missshroom5512 yeah, that's another hurdle - who will get these life extension. It might only be for the elite millionaires and whomever the befriend for quite a while. I do enjoy my life but I think there's a happy medium between doing all the stuff that Brian Johnson does, and throwing caution to the wind and not paying much of any attention to health. Of course the older you are the fewer potential years you have, and so the less sense it makes to be strict about things, unless you truly believe some utopian solution is just around the corner. But that is pretty wishful thinking!
When it comes to the "Eternal Oblivion" or "Endless Darkness/Nothingness" variety of possible scenarios, to me that implies some form of conscious awareness that needs to remain after we pass to recognize said surrounding, time continuation and acknowledgement of any affect it may bring. Which to me makes that a very unlikely possibility.
I believe it (your complete consciousness) just simply stops, like cutting of electricity to a device by pulling the plug. Exactly like when you pass out for whatever reason or 'go under' completely during a particular surgery. Though in these cases the conscious-plug gets plugged back in so to speak, but the result remains to same, you're turned off, void of activity, you don't/won't know how long or even that there was 'nothing' during that time you were out. Unlike when your final time comes though, it just won't be plugged back in.
With that in mind. - Nobody will ever know that they've died, nor experience what it's like to be actually dead. Even if there was any sensation of 'dying' prior.
So rest assured in some way, if this makes sense to you. Because again, it's impossible for you to realize you're actually gone. Like if a camera operates solely by having its power cord plugged in, it will therefor never be able to film it's own unplugging.
As much as I admire this guy and Ray Kurzweil, who has a similar approach, my attitude is that being dead will not bother me any more than it bothered me to not exist prior to my conception.
If there is no “me” that survives the body’s death, then there is nothing to fear. If there is something after death, then that is the icing on the cake, a bonus I was not expecting.
Incredible conversation.... Bryan is an incredible guest! Please have him on again!!!
but please, let him talk this time 😀
If you have an audible membership, the book mentioned by Bryan “The biography of a dangerous idea” is included for free.
His book "Don't Die" is free on UA-cam.
Reincarnation needs a meaning in this conversation.
I love Bryan Johnson and his ideas! I love that he shares his findings with us
Is Bryan Johnson an android? He bears a frightening resemblance to Data.
Then your question should be is he really Brent Spiner.
@@Tom_Bombadil3000 Hmm yeah, but no, sorry.
Hey Tom, this is a great interaction with Bryan Johnson. I appreciate your approach to this topic. And how you probed Bryan's thoughts and beliefs.
I find Bryan/his levels of thinking absolutely fascinating. The way he articulates such out-of-the-box ideas in a way that makes so much sense is brilliant. Him and Alex Hormozi have been two of the biggest influences in my life philosophy as of late.
Immortal
*Dies choking on a grape*
😂🤣😅 slips on stairs.
He did almost get hit by a bus recently
You serious ? Lol
Then gets resuscitated with AI found technology
Immortal informed to not eat something that they can choke on, does so to optimise.
Artificial intelligence will try to make an artificial you, then convince you, that, the new you is better.
Why would it bother? Why would it give a shit?
@@roland1912 because the "powers that shouldn't be" who are funding AI's development love transhumanism and, vocally want the global population reduced to 500,000,000.
@@roland1912 the maker who programmed it does 😅
@@pinkifloyd7867 That's going to be the case every single time. So if AI goes bad, it's because it's been polluted with our crazy monkey brained ideas.
But.... But... Isn't that what they are trying to do now? Not AI but with all this nonsense going on right now?
Bryan’s takes are so respectable. Even if you don’t entirely agree with him, he presents very sound arguments and articulates them in such a neutral tone that you can’t help but try them on for size. I really appreciate the way he speaks his truth 👏
This is like watching Sauron be interviewed.
Very stimulating, I love the invitation to broaden the mind, I do wonder if the conversation ought also to include how much easier it will be to 'dont die' when one is rich - in terms of the current socio economic construct vis a vis access to health tools and technologies.
i like the fact this is the third podcast with him on this channel, and that it always gets longer. in one or two years they'll meet up again and it's going to last for four hours.
This is an incredible episode.
We are not all created equal
We are not AI created equal.
Explain. I'll entertain the idea with my own arguments
@maxphilly for starters, like they discussed, is it possible for anyone to be really tall? Like an NBA player or a heavyweight boxer or an NFL tight end? If not all those jobs are off the table.
@@annunakian8054 If it's not possible for anyone to be that tall those jobs are off the table for the ordinary person you mean? Because even if it was possible being that tall or even in shape for anyone it doesn't grant someone those jobs. It's also the expertise that comes with it. Like for example I watch a lot of soccer and in that fine sport being tall strong and fast are very good for a player however they are irrelevant unless the player posses a certain level of expertise and skill. Which is obviously more relevant to the sport otherwise the big teams would just sign big tall fast humans.
@maxphilly I watch soccer too but u obviously don't know much about basketball or football. There's a point where ur too tall for soccer since ur better off being low to the ground in soccer. Obviously the majority of the game is played with the ball on the ground & it's easier to control the ball with shorter strides. 2 of the best NBA players rn Luka Doncic & Giannis Antetokounmpo used to play soccer but they said they just grew too tall. As for basketball there's never been a great player under 6 ft & there's only one decent one playing rn at 5'11". In football u simply can't play tight end if ur not tall & the linemen are also big & tall. But for running backs it's similar to soccer where it's generally better to be short. So yeah for certain ppl certain jobs are off the table.
Thank you Tom for interviewing Bryan Johnson. Bryan is talking about a truly mind blowing topic. If we can live long enough to the point where machines enable us to conquer death, then we will live forever. Therefore, the best thing we can do as individuals is to live a life that enable us to live sufficiently long enough and to assist others do the same. I believe machines will become sufficiently intelligent enough within a few years for this to happen, hence why we need to end wars, prevent premature deaths and suicides and encourage healthy living (no drinking, no smoking, no drugs, healthy food and lots of exercise). Once we have the ability to live forever, our lives will radically change for the better. Once machines are truly awesome, we will be able to eat all the donuts we want (the wait will be worth it).
Whether you agree with him or not, Bryan Johnson is a superior, original thought leader. What a gem.
The two of you have some great conversations.
All of our tools are better than us... Have you ever tried to paint without a brush? It is not that easy.
I don't see how that is any different.
Very right.
But wouldn't you prefer running several miles to the grocery store on foot instead of driving?
@@cagnazzo82 Well there are those that walk around the city bare foot. And I don't mean the homeless...
without us, tools would have no purpose.
@@sigacious Yeap...
Self destructive behaviours gave us the blues which gave us Jazz and ROCK n Roll. When you hear the blues you're hearing intension spawned at of pain and sorrow, authenticity through knowing and sharing the human condition. It is in the knowing that our experience is deepened.
I think compassion and intelligence are inextricably tied together. Gifted children are the most compassionate people.
I feel like this guy would sell out every human being to achieve his goal of immortality.
Must be ego driven
@@pinkifloyd7867 quite the opposite my friend. He has experience with psychedelics. His ego is the farthest thing he is thinking about. He is doing this FOR the human race.
@@SynthAims Don't be so niave
100% he would.
@SynthAims yeah...a guy with hundreds of.millions of dollars is SELLING his own "magic olive oil"
Does he need the money?
Don't be such a Gullible Pancake.
These people that tell us what the future will be haven't been there, they haven't seen this before, so who are they to tell us? We humans think we are smarter than we are
My exact feelings thank you for saying this
Thats just ego 😊
It's just an extrapolation of trajectory and a comparison to similar events historically under similar conditions.
You can't exactly predict where a ball is going to land or how much it will bounce until it stops, but you can generalize and anticipate with a degree of certainty. That's how you catch a baseball.
@@Josephkerr101 what similar conditions?? We have never been through AI and most of this stuff before. It's a waste of time
@@claycarpenter8625 we've seen technological advances that rapidly advance society, but economic collapse follows. We've seen wars break out over vast distances because technology enabled a greater logistical reach.
I’m only four minutes in, but part of the creation process is illustrated really nicely with how the art models work with diffusion, where a prompt serves as a scaffolding, that then noise is thrown at it, and it’s that chaos being rendered through the filter that allows creation.
New breakthroughs are echoing old wisdom. Chaos and order both need to exist.
So, when you look at a human, its limitations, create perspectives, and those perspectives function as the chaos.
I don’t know if a global intelligence would want to get rid of the ability to think about a problem from 8 billion different perspectives.
Fabulous. Thank you both!
"The gods are jealous of us BECAUSE we've mortal." -- Achiles, Homer's Iliad --
Not anymore
Were immortal
Wwe never die
Just shed our body ajd move to new life
..and new body
We are a mere ball of energy and light
Everytime we are reborn, we can change planets ,
...gender, and countries etc..
..even species
I think it’s safe to say that we all fear death to certain extent, now the being said i just that his whole ideology is based on the huge fear of dying that he’s willing to stay alive even if that means becoming a slave to whatever a.i may become in the future.
He also appears to assume that everyone thinks and feels as he does. I for one, am very excited about what comes next. I don't want to be an immortal slave here for the 0.000000001% who control AI. "Dont die" is not a good slogan. There are many things worse than death we could be solving first.
@roland @whisper
Excellent insight, thought provoking to say the least
Your present mental limitations is not allowing you to 'hear' what he's saying.
I have always kinda looked forward to finding out what is next. I believe we go on. If not hey we won’t know. Either way nothing to fear.
And I salute our future algorithmic overlords. They will take better better care of us than I take care of my dog.😂
Fantastic interview! I have been following Bryan Johnson when he began. I have seen his change and what he is doing works. He trying to help us. Love the way you have done the questions great job. Thankyou both love from Spain ❤
Brilliant, fascinating, mind-bending conversation. I don't know what the next step is for me, but I do know that everything has changed.
so happy this is 3 hours
Me too I fell asleep and woke up 2 hours later and didn’t miss a thing
I pay for premium so I don't have ads then they put them in the video
That's karma for paying corrupt UA-cam for something you can get for free.
It never ends
10 second skip button is your friend, quick tap 😂
@@DoEverythingDerek Just use an ad block
@@YeeLeeHaw don't you give corrupt UA-cam energy by clicking on it tho? You're paying your way by receiving adds. What's the difference?
This is such a beautiful conversation of Bryan and Tom negotiating.
Loved this conversation. Best interview focused on the philosophical aspect of anti aging. Would love one that is more functional, machanistic, biochemical.
Wow, I believe this is a fantastic idea. The fact that improving our lifestyle could enhance healthcare services is intriguing. Imagine eating healthy, exercising, and sending our blood and urine results to healthcare services once a month for checks. This could be a game-changer, addressing the issue of the declining workforce in healthcare. People would be healthier and well-fed, and who knows, it might even solve more of our problems. With this approach, we could genuinely make progress as humanity.
this is unprofitable for corporations and the state, people will live longer and get sick less, not eat junk food, stick to a healthy lifestyle... this will give rise to a new problem... overpopulation.
@@enbuscandoBusinesses always think about how to make money. It's essential to show them how they can profit from new ideas; this will lead to earnings, and people will be healthier, creating a win-win situation. Indeed, there is evidence of population decline. Recent research suggests a decrease, impacted partly by individuals choosing not to have children due to climate change concerns, which is quite sad. For more details, see the research at ScienceDaily. For insights into how this issue is being addressed in the Netherlands, visit the government's official site. I wouldn't worry about overpopulation because, by that time, we will already be flying to Mars.
@@enbuscando Businesses always think about how to make money. It's essential to show them how they can profit from new ideas; then, they will earn, plus people will be healthier, it creates a win-win situation. In fact, there is evidence of population decline. Recent research suggests a decrease, impacted partly by individuals choosing not to have children due to climate change concerns, which is quite sad. I wouldn't worry about overpopulation because by that time, we will already be flying to Mars.
You can still give the option to opt out, but if the logic and reasoning as to why opting in is so much better, then that will speak for itself, but people should be able to opt to stay normal humans who will eventually die anyway.
“Are we going to be able to make men taller?” This happened to me, without the bone breaking surgery. I have grown my entire life by between 1/16th and 1/8th of an inch a year. I was 5’4” at 25 when my 5’11.5” tall wife and I got together. She shrank, which is normal, and I grew, such that we crossed over at 5’’8” in our mid 50’s. I am now 5’9” at 61. My mother, a doctor, says the likely cause is I get a LOT of heavy exercise (farming, forestry, butchery, building, walking) which she suggests stimulated my bones to keep growing, particularly in my legs. So this could probably be induced to make other men taller.
You guys are outstanding. This conversation was very insightful!
Welcome to the Borg. Resistance is futile.
I was looking for that comment! Why does he not realize this is basically the Borg origin story even if it has never been said directly in cannon, you can read between the lines.
Sad...giving up on humanity...
@@marlou169don’t worry there is the federation minded people of Starfleet.
“I have Freedom written on my forehead”
This interview was fantastic! It gives me hope that there are people out there that can think this way. It’s so encouraging 🤍
Fermi paradox. The Fermi paradox is the discrepancy between the lack of conclusive evidence of advanced extraterrestrial life and the apparently high likelihood of its existence. As a 2015 article put it, "If life is so easy, someone from somewhere must have come calling by now."
I wish I could take my family and live under the umbrella of Brian Johnson to make it into the future he's waiting for. My family would gladly follow the blueprint protocol and practice "don't die."
Not sure why so many people make fun of Bryan Johnson. This man's research is a beneficial cheat code to humanity.
Dude are you serious? He drinks his sons blood 😡
I don’t know anything, but If we can’t synthesise the effect that young blood apparently has then there’d be a bloodbath sold to whoever can afford it, doesn’t sound good, those who wanna profit could seek blood to sell to those who need to stay young.
Let’s hope it can be synthesised before we end up with a class of literal vampires
@myekuntz wow a guy cant even drink his own sons blood to try to live forever anymore? You people will hate on a man for ANYTHING these days...
He's a robot, vampire who drinks his son's blood.
Aside from that he's totally good.
He doesn't drink it ffs. We use other people's blood in hospitals all the time. In his case he uses it to slow down the disease called aging. In future this will be done with the age reversal compounds extracted from young pigs blood.
Don’t die is a cowards game. We will have a population of woke cowards. No thanks.
The bravest live under ‘hopefully I won’t die’ when pursuing bravest feats that push boundaries and drive evolution.
Loved the discussion. Genuine curiousity, wanting to the understand the other's viewpoint, no trashing or ridiculing Bryans ideas. This is exactly how a discussion between two people should look like. Bryan seems very intelligent! I wish discussions like this would be possible in my life...
I had phobia of dying. Was thinking about it daily. Had to reconstruct & reset my perception of life, myself & everything around me. In the process I've got rid of the phobia because I decided I'm not gonna die or I'll avoid death, one way or another. Started learning, mire & more, about everything but mostly focused on upgrading myself physically, mentally, spiritually. I've lost perception of passage of time & short term memory. I think this is, in some way base of living long.
I can think of nothing worse than to never die. I’m planning to hang around for a good while, but it never ending… now that’s a nightmare.
you can off yourself at any time, no one is forcing you to life forever, you just dont have to die of natural causes or lose your faculties
revelation 9:6- And in those days shall men seek death, and shall not find it; and shall desire to die, and death shall flee from them
If you live long enough you can figure out how to make life very pleasant.
Never ending life if you in good health would be great. Right now we believe we won’t die to some degree, else we’d be forever anxious. So it would be no different.
I can definitely see how Bryan is easy to make fun of with his "don't die" stuff haha. But i like him and he fires me up to be even healthier. Not to try to live forever on Earth, but to try to have a 100 year healthspan 👍🏼
In another interview he had been undergoing whole body skin treatments of some kind that were achieving a bleaching effect. No doubt attempting to reverse skin damage...he looked like a being from Lord of the Rings. At that point I thought to myself, ok this guy has issues.
@@lowell62 Haha. Quite the adventure he is on
Remember the Egyptians had the godlike ambition ....were they just missing AI?
I said it in high school in the early 1980s and still agree with it to this day.
Anyone who actually wants to be immortal has zero concept of what these terms actually mean : Infinity. Eternity. Forever. Never.
Folks who cant make it through a boring Thursday afternoon office staff meeting without expressing terminal boredom have ZERO chance of surviving Infinity with their sanity intact.
To be fair neither do you, no one can conceptualize infinity, you are also posing the idea that you couldn't rationally be afraid of death unless you can consider the frightening opposite to death which is living forever, I think this is unfair because, no one actually is banned from being existentially fearful of dying just because they haven't considered living forever. You still feel fear either way, I agree living in eternity COULD be terrifying but its not obviously clear if it is awful. This assumes that we know human nature which well we don't for certain.
Great conversation ❤
Bryan has many intriguing and wise thoughts. The few videos I have seen about him were about longevity so this was a nice suprise. I found interesting, what he said about hate toward him. Writing stupid comments isn't my style but I did feel some degree of hate when seeing his longevity videos for the first time. It's weird because almost always the only people I hate are stupid or selfish people, so there must be something scary in that "don't die" idea. I believe Bryan's explanation is right that the hate comes from the fact, that I should face and change all the uncomfortable and disfunctioning aspects of my life. It's a daunting task and I have always thought a death as a relief. Also the idea of living hundreds of years is nothing short of terrifying. To be sure I don't hate him but thank him for explaining my irrational thinking.
So, how do you deal with overcrowding if there's no death?
War!
Well, the unspoken answer to your question that they couldn’t say on the panel is that; the dumb would die first, because they wouldn’t be able to keep up with the regiments, based on their mental level of digesting reality. 🫡🤔😩
space, baby
Lots of planets and moons my friend. And space cities. Habitats built in orbit etc
This is only intended for themselves and their rich friends. They couldn't care less about normal people being immortal that's how
I feel like a veil has been lifted from my eyes, and things I've felt intuitively about the AI future have been expressed in words.
I think what he describes as "free will" is not actually free will. Its actually humans being in a "derp state" unconsciously floating through life making bad decisions.
To make conscious decisions to make healthy life choices is actual free will, because there is an awareness involved in it.
So really what he is describing is upgrading what I call the "unconscious primitive brain". This isnt necessarily bad but my concern (like most) is how much this AI technology will limit ones own ability to maintain consciousness (which many would describe as the "soul")
Im so looking forward to live at least 120 yrs
Looking forward to living 530 years
You better make some money then. It will probably be like in movie “time” people will be basically immortal if they have money for it
I'm a ghost...I will be here forever.
And every single moment is forever.
So essentially just give up and let technology take over our thinking for eternity. Sounds apocalyptic to me.
The end of life as we know it...
Yeah he sounds a bit deluded I have to say. Probably doesn’t believe there’s a thing called free will.
I love listening to these sorts of conversations.
I have studied all religions, sciences and eastern philosophies. My perspective with this conversation is that it is 2 intelligent blind men touching the elephant, but really needing more blind men with different perspectives to really start to understand what they are touching. You are both very intellectual and this is a gift but only a limited perspective. Tom, get Rupert Spira, Bernardo Castrup, Swami, Sad Guru Moji, Ian McGilchrist and many other living wise blind men on your show. Also explore the wisdom of blind men such as Ramana , Ran Das and Allan Watts.
I agree. These types of cooperation are now not only welcome but needed.
I love Brian’s comment on why he prides himself on being different, as we are thriving currently from those before us who persevered in their differences to form greatness in themselves and thus the world, this resonates with earl Knightingales view on the opposite of success being conformity… this world and humanity needs people to pride themselves on what makes them different and society should pride each and everyone for their difference of all kinds and in all levels giving life to self expression and fulfilment that will filter through society bringing light to humanity, AI will aid humanity in achieving this…
This guy is 2,000 years late. “Truly I tell you, anyone who hears my word and believes him who sent me has eternal life and will not come under judgment but has passed from death to life." Thank you, Lord Jesus.
Ahuh.... fairy tales will NEVER compare to reality. That's why science obliterates religion.
@@skydivekrazy76 It never does in actual reality though. Video is a schoolbook example of a fairy tale. Scientism.
Religion most often has a far better model of how reality functions in the long run.
@skydivekrazy76 I never said anything about any religion. I'm talking about the Person, the Reality Himself. Something you can't grasp with your precious "science".
@@IvanJuras Jesus exists only inside the human mind. It's a myth, just like Zeus, Odin, Thor, etc... I'm sure there still are people who firmy believe in either of those 3 I named, and they'd use similar rhetoric like you.
My friend, you've got no idea about history, then. Even the biggest skeptics accept that Jesus in fact did exist as a historical person. Let's start with that, and then we can move on. You're so wrong in so many ways that we need to peel off one onion layer at a time.
This guy is an authoritarian. We should submit to AI rule? We should allow AI to make our decisions for us? What is the point of living if you have no free will?
Exactly right. It is the death impulse in action. Demons, bro.
I think you missed the point. He explains why won't be a loss of free will because we will change also and you will freely choose a more harmonious existence.
@@supercal333 no, you are the one that missed the point, and I am not thw type if person that explains things to people. He, essentially, says AI will control our lives, but don't worry because you'll like it. And you're like "yeah, okay, sounds legit". You need to read more books
Maybe you should wrestle with your own ego first before you try to influence others. Here’s a hint for you as a starting point: “Free will” doesn’t exist.
@@Kenny-tl7ir the only person who doesn’t have free will is the one who thinks they don’t.
The future is predestined conditionally.
Good luck 👍🏼
This guy’s really changing the game of thinking. I am really glad there’s people like him in my generation.
Love everything Bryan is doing its exactly this i want from life and have in life, love the game dont die.
42:08 hit SO HARD - "I don't trust my mind"
A leading figure rejected Elon Musk's claims that AI could soon outsmart all of humanity. Yann LeCun, Meta's AI lead, snapped at Musk when he said AI "will probably be smarter than any single human next year."
"By 2029, AI is probably smarter than all humans combined," the billionaire and adamant AI fan supporter of AI, said on X last week.
LeCun, the chief AI scientist at Meta who is often called one of the "godfathers of AI," shot down Musk's argument, taking a dig at Tesla's self-driving cars in the making. "No," he said on X. "If it were the case, we would have AI systems that could teach themselves to drive a car in 20 hours of practice, like any 17 year-old.
"But we still don't have fully autonomous, reliable self-driving, even though we (you) have millions of hours of labeled training data," LeCun added.
The argument is over timelines, not conclusions. Assuming any rate of improvement continues Musk is correct.
@@GenXRanterWhat we have is a sophisticated auto-complete algorithm that is fooling people into believing it is self-aware and has intelligence. I'll take the other side of the bet -- it won't happen with anything similar to the approach being taken now
As many have said here, great conversation! Kudos and thanks to you both🙏
I think it’s important to maintain autonomy and support the masses into the self awakening that leads us to living our best lives organically… literally organically.
This interview is on the next level smh. It’s crazy! 🔥
best looking middle aged women !
Woman.
@@jtetteroo2919 Not they?
Women live longer though it's a fact
@@nikhilPUD01Because us men get nagged to death. That's why I'm single now. I can't take the never enough attitude.
Just don't die the next ten years.
I remember reading almost that on google a few months ago. But as someone with chronic disease, I would like to make it on long enough to fix whatever is wrong with me. I can't stand it, especially at 22 when I have serious ambitions.
This guy is the most genius man alive on planet Earth, I was thinking the same but he nailed it,
He looks ,behaves , and eats so much like a robot already
He looks sweet not like that Terminator. 💀
Hes on the spectrum as well as Musk and many many other geniuses past and present. They are truly a gift!
Mr Data from StarTrek
He seems intriguing.
He has stellar posture.
He has clear speech.
He’s bringing new ideas to light
his brain will eventually melt down
Wonderful chat, so stimulating, fully respect you Brian, keep it up 👏👏👏
Thank you for engaging in this conversation. The concept of let’s not die seems like it would solution itself through the fabric of human consciousness.
We haven’t even found a cure for cancer yet but immortality is 10 years away?? Lol
Even though each tumor has one thing in common, that being uncontrolled cell growth, there is no such thing as universal cure for cancer and never will be, because there are hundreds of different types of tumors requiring different treatments.
Unfortunately for you, to outright claim that we haven’t cured cancer is really missing half of the story. We’re progressing here. Decades ago, getting diagnosed with cancer was almost a death sentence. Compare that to today and the prognosis is far more positive. Instead of just consolidating all cancers on Earth, start asking… what type of cancer you’re looking forward to discover treatments for?
Not interested in AI making all of my decisions for me under any condition. That is the definition of slavery.
you dont have to.
I don't think you know what the definition is
Yes AI is slavery and the enemy of humanity abd life Immortality is in our DNA.
I'm sure you'll be able to opt out but at that point you will be the equivalent of the Amish in today's world. You'll isolate yourself from the rest of society and culture and be looked at as some backwards hick. Also while everyone is letting AI and robots do all the hard work, you'll be working your ass off lto survive like we all currently have to.
If you think you're actually just making your own decisions now You're a slave of the mind
The 25th century! Bryan Johnson do you understand that we are in a Matrix and in the 10th version we will be using stones again.
POV: your WHOLE premise...just got blown up!
Excellent, exhiliratingly informative talk show!!!
Not easy to digest the concept of the IA, but quite something to ponder about.
Human safety still a big big question for me unde the radar of IA.
Best!!!
Oh my the homoborg genesis is way closer than I think