Overdrive pedal (Klon) clipping diode comparison

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  • Опубліковано 24 гру 2024

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  • @nicolasfox
    @nicolasfox 5 років тому +50

    2:52 clean tone
    4:45 3mm LED (~1.5v forward)
    5:30 1N4148 Si (.559v forward)
    7:32 1N34A Ge (.265v forward)
    9:28 1N5818 Schottky (.131 forward)
    10:20 AN306 Ge (.193v forward)
    11:35 1N270 Ge (.220v forward)
    12:38 Japanese White Ge (.213v forward)

    • @DerelictEarth
      @DerelictEarth 5 років тому +4

      Shottky not Shockley, that's the model ;)

    • @nicolasfox
      @nicolasfox 5 років тому +3

      I just copied and pasted from the description above. It's been fixed, thanks.

    • @yowild9629
      @yowild9629 4 роки тому

      Have you tryed ocd cliping in it ...? + would it be harder to do ( im thinking about ) ?
      zadvitsky.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/12/bigOCDschematic.png

    • @tonysilker9685
      @tonysilker9685 4 роки тому +2

      Most useful comment I've seen in years

  • @TheFarout69
    @TheFarout69 4 роки тому +7

    The Shotkey diodes and silicon switch faster than the germanium or LED and that generates more high frequency harmonics. Germanium soft knee clipping sounds warmer. Thanks for moving the gain around so we can hear it.

  • @cinpa2968
    @cinpa2968 Рік тому +1

    Finally a little love for the Egnater Tweaker amp!
    I’m just getting started with pedal building and I like the way you breadboarded the diodes to facilitate quick changes.

  • @mikebills9414
    @mikebills9414 5 років тому +30

    There were a lot of comments about too much talk, but I appreciated the explanation. Thanks for your informative video.

    • @carltonrangemeister9610
      @carltonrangemeister9610 3 роки тому +1

      Talking was ok but I would like to have heard a mix of 1n34a & 1n270 just to hear what effect they had on the overall sound cos I liked both but to my ears the 1n270 were a little 'tighter' sounding compared to the 'loose' 1n34As!

    • @dcsman1992
      @dcsman1992 3 роки тому

      It's a very interesting video tbh I learned allot as a beginner pedal maker ^^

  • @felippekalil
    @felippekalil 3 роки тому +6

    Just a upgrade from Nick Fox version, for future use.
    --Clean tone - 2:52
    --3mm LED (~1.5v forward)
    Low Gain - 3:21
    Middle Gain - 4:50
    High Gain - 5:11
    --1N4148 Si (.559v forward)
    Middle Gain - 5:47
    High Gain - 7:05
    --1N34A Ge (.265v forward)
    Low Gain - 7:57
    Middle Gain - 8:11
    Middle Gain 2 - 14:31
    High Gain - 9:05
    High Gain 2 - 14:37
    --1N5818 Schottky (.131 forward)
    Low Gain - 9:39
    Middle Gain - 9:47
    High Gain - 10:04
    --AN306 Ge (.193v forward)
    Low Gain - 10:31
    Middle Gain - 10:38
    Middle Gain 2 - 11:06
    High Gain - 10:56
    High Gain 2- 14:12
    --1N270 Ge (.220v forward)
    Low Gain - 11:40
    Middle Gain - 12:01
    Middle Gain 2 - 14:03
    High Gain - 12:14
    --Japanese White Ge (.213v forward)
    Low Gain - 12:52
    Middle Gain - 13:02
    Middle Gain 2 - 13:43
    High Gain - 13:20

  • @augustusbetucius2931
    @augustusbetucius2931 8 місяців тому +1

    The 1n34A diodes, being like what's in the KTR are off in their Vf by almost ten. That potentially makes a big difference. The Klon Vf was .35, as determined by the guys at FSB. I still think Bill Finnegan likely used the ITT 1n34A as ITT was very close to him, and were an easy and plentiful source, rather than this mysterious source he's claimed all these years. As well, they are now and have been difficult to obtain for a while. I stumbled into a guy on eBay who had a large amount of them. I bought quite a few from him. Not because I seek to re-create the Klon, but because actual germanium 1n34A can be hard to get a hold of anymore. Just a thought, it might be worth getting a hold of the ITT 1n34A for anyone wanting to nail the Klon sound.

  • @stephencampbell2735
    @stephencampbell2735 3 роки тому +1

    That was very informative! I appreciated the commentary

  • @adrs2
    @adrs2 7 років тому +8

    Mix 1n270 with 1n34a. They have similar forward voltage but a bit different clipping. I tried it with 1khz sine generator and osciloscope first... FTT showed more 4th harmonics than 3rd with the same amplitude on each side of wave and while listening it sounds really smooth, tube like.

  • @tonysilker9685
    @tonysilker9685 4 роки тому +1

    This video is incredibly useful. Great sound quality, good explanations. Thank you sir

  • @iblesbosuok
    @iblesbosuok 6 років тому +5

    AN306 and J-White at noon-gain. Good video.
    Cheers from Indonesia

  • @DANTHETUBEMAN
    @DANTHETUBEMAN 6 років тому +6

    what type of shag carpet is that? i think if that was real wool shag it could help the sound a lot, im telling you that synthetic rug is killing your tone. i think you need a Berber rug to really make that klon sing, loading at the gig is a pain but the sound is worth it. vid starts at 12:13 for the best sounding in270 diode even with synthetic rugs.

  • @shatter3897
    @shatter3897 3 роки тому +4

    The Klon Centaur is not an overdrive. It is a diodes to ground hard clipping distortion circuit with a clean blend tied into the gain knob.

    • @Lantertronics
      @Lantertronics Рік тому +1

      That's the interesting thing about the Klon -- as you note the core of the distortion is closer to a Boss DS-1 or a Pro Co Rat, but people *perceive* it as an overdrive because of the blending.

  • @TheFarout69
    @TheFarout69 9 років тому +3

    Almost a fuzzy sound with the Small Bear GE's. I dig. Bright and almost fat fuzz.

  • @DoobTube71
    @DoobTube71 4 роки тому +3

    Thanks for a great geeked out Klon clone video. Like Jimi Hendrix sang,.."What if 9 turns out to be 3?" LOL!

  • @ClaudioMartella
    @ClaudioMartella 3 роки тому

    Would have loved to hear also the D9s

  • @terryenglish7132
    @terryenglish7132 4 роки тому +2

    I liked your 2 favorites best as well. But, also the Schottky just as much, which is surprising because it's curve is much sharper. Maybe it's impedance is different and it lets more of the Klons boosted bass thru. Good video. I don't get the thumbs down.

  • @paulkielt9301
    @paulkielt9301 4 роки тому +3

    With LEDs you should try different colours, because they opperate at a different voltage and thereby they don't sound the same. Usually I stay away from the red ones, as an example.

  • @bluesman5049
    @bluesman5049 3 роки тому +1

    Definitely, Japanese White Ge (.213v forward) and 1N5818 Shockley (.131 forward).
    That's the tone of the Centaur Clone

  • @hirokitanaka8
    @hirokitanaka8 8 років тому +1

    Great Vid, nice intro to different diode distortion for the layman

  • @ToneNerdPickups
    @ToneNerdPickups 6 років тому +4

    Most of the clipping comes from the opamp. Bill F stated he used the common 1n34a. The diodes are not magic. Any germanium with a forward voltage between .25v and .40 will yield an almost inaudible difference

  • @Kanthon
    @Kanthon 7 років тому +8

    Where can I get a knob with two 9 o'clock? ;)

    • @chrislongovids
      @chrislongovids  7 років тому +1

      Yeah oops I kept getting the positions wrong in terms of a clock face :|

    • @Kanthon
      @Kanthon 7 років тому +1

      Haha, it's cool. We know what you mean.

    • @rockandrollmd541
      @rockandrollmd541 6 років тому

      Millennials and analog clocks, LOL

  • @billjohannesen500
    @billjohannesen500 4 роки тому

    Interesting concept to test the different options. The difference is hard to discern with UA-cam squashed sound, but I enjoyed this so Thanks 🙏

  • @williamdesilva67
    @williamdesilva67 4 роки тому +1

    I lije the ones u originally thouggt were in the klone.. i forget the model name. 2nd was the other ones u liked 3rd were the japanese ones. Very cool video. Ive never seen a comp vid like this before. Well done

  • @jambajoby32
    @jambajoby32 6 місяців тому

    Would you be able to mix them? That peaks my curious!

  • @pauloing1pauloing167
    @pauloing1pauloing167 5 років тому

    click here \/ to skip the fucking blablabla
    2:55 clean tone
    4:49 3mm LED (~1.5v forward)
    5:47 1N4148 Si (.559v forward)
    7:57 1N34A Ge (.265v forward)
    9:39 1N5818 Schottky (.131 forward)
    10:31 AN306 Ge (.193v forward)
    11:40 1N270 Ge (.220v forward)
    12:52 Japanese White Ge (.213v forward)

  • @levijessegonzalez3629
    @levijessegonzalez3629 3 роки тому

    the schottkys had a really interesting clipping pattern... almost asymmetrical. maybe not a true Klon diode but very interesting none the less!

  • @nucleararmeddogg568
    @nucleararmeddogg568 3 роки тому

    appreciate the knowledge great explanations

  • @suspiciouswatermelon7639
    @suspiciouswatermelon7639 Рік тому

    The LEDs sound the best. Too bad that circuit is not repeatable in the least... every batch of LEDs is just a little different to be impossible to manufacture more than a handful of pedals. Otherwise, the 1N34 comes in a close second place.

  • @wabisabi7399
    @wabisabi7399 Рік тому

    Thanks for this 🔥

  • @POGFROGULPOP
    @POGFROGULPOP 9 років тому +4

    Thanks for the test. Interesting results. Apparently the actual Klon uses a germanium diode with .35 vdc forward. Other diodes that you could try for comparison are, IN277, OA91, which I've heard, although don't quote me, both measure 0.35v. Other popular choices include BAT 46, and Bat 41(mad bean).

    • @OnfloorAudio
      @OnfloorAudio 9 років тому

      +POG FROGULPOP I use the BAT41 in all my Klon builds ... they sound the best to me , and they are close to the original Klon clippers . The 1n34A is close as well ...

    • @jeremyblakesguitar
      @jeremyblakesguitar 7 років тому +1

      I used D9E's in my KLON clone.

    • @hugoquelquechosecommeca3560
      @hugoquelquechosecommeca3560 7 років тому

      i see the D9E is the closest diode than the original 1n34a

  • @michaelsarmeinto8742
    @michaelsarmeinto8742 8 років тому

    tnx for this video, now i know what diodes should i use

  • @GK-mm3nz
    @GK-mm3nz 9 років тому

    Thanks for posting. Gives me some directions to explore.

  • @Unrest777
    @Unrest777 9 років тому +2

    Try JFET transistor clipping..

    • @TheFarout69
      @TheFarout69 9 років тому

      +DarkVoid , The mosfet style would likely rock. Mix a mosfet with a red LED. Holy Moly.

    • @ep9229
      @ep9229 6 років тому

      @@TheFarout69 I use a pair of 2N7000s, they make it sound smoother. I have to turn the tone control up. Very musical and adds a sweet compression and sustain.

  • @LockStoppageSandwich
    @LockStoppageSandwich Рік тому

    Just into building pedals can you supply a schematic of how you set this up 👍

  • @ArielsSmartyPants
    @ArielsSmartyPants 8 років тому +4

    1n270s for my ears

  • @elgen0314
    @elgen0314 6 років тому +1

    Japanese white are the shizel for me

  • @ribeiroflyby9766
    @ribeiroflyby9766 8 років тому +2

    thanks for post it this has a good sound, im going to try new conection. im brazilian fan excelent project....

  • @RoelCyborg
    @RoelCyborg 6 років тому

    Cool i also thought the first two where the best ,, but for led ,, use red once,, diffent colors have different values ,,, Rockman had two red once , and on an other place on the pcb a red and a green

  • @jimmygrant3151
    @jimmygrant3151 3 роки тому +2

    1N270s by a mile. They had "that" sound. The others were just meh. Harsh, unregulated, clipping op-amp but not caressing it.

  • @TheFarout69
    @TheFarout69 9 років тому

    Any OD will respond better with a buffer in front. The chip is current dependent. Put a buffer in the guitar just for goodness. Mix an LED with a MOSFET transistor set as a clipper-(look it up). Or a red and a blue LED. Harmonic tube squeal from Hell with high gain. Lets you get higher on the gain knob and still be intelligible without as much mush.

  • @09lowkey
    @09lowkey 4 роки тому +3

    Moral of the story: Gain at 9 o'clock

  • @inlasttonowhere4459
    @inlasttonowhere4459 3 роки тому

    Thank you😃✌wonderful upload🤔

  • @miguelpessanha
    @miguelpessanha 9 років тому

    Sweeeet, this is here quuite hidden! What's your favourite?

    • @chrislongovids
      @chrislongovids  9 років тому +2

      I went with 1N34A

    • @miguelpessanha
      @miguelpessanha 9 років тому

      CAL NYC Nice to know. I want to build a BluesBreaker and add a switch with those to ground!

  • @p.schouten6597
    @p.schouten6597 7 років тому

    Who sells diodes with such low voltages? Thanks friend.

    • @hugoquelquechosecommeca3560
      @hugoquelquechosecommeca3560 7 років тому

      ebay have the better and the weirdest but if you shearch in old ussr stock like the D9E for example you can found lot of really good thing ! and try new ones !

  • @robertw1871
    @robertw1871 4 роки тому +1

    They all sound fairly similar to me, hard to tell without being live... seriously doubt anyone listening to someone play in the mix would hear any difference at all... I think the 1n34a has a slight advantage... the tone really isn’t anything you can’t get with green box or OCD... been thinking about building one, but I’m not sure it’s worth the effort... thanks for the vid...

  • @KevinJMcClintock
    @KevinJMcClintock 9 років тому

    Saweet demo thanks

  • @topavelka
    @topavelka Рік тому

    All sounds same for me :-)

  • @frankencat
    @frankencat 9 років тому +2

    Good demo but too much talking. I liked the White diodes and the 1n34a . It would probably be cool to switch between those for different sounds. :)

  • @strassercaster
    @strassercaster 9 років тому

    i did all this about a year ago. the proper forward voltage for a Klon is .350 i had a real klon gold i fixed for a friend. the best i found was the russian d9 it was perfect.they measured .340 forward voltage.

  • @michaelinglis8516
    @michaelinglis8516 5 років тому +5

    Have you seen a Clock? Lol, volume on "9" isn't the same as 9 o clock brother.

  • @darthvader5701
    @darthvader5701 4 роки тому

    Oh the Klon aka the Kon

  • @PeteKaltsa
    @PeteKaltsa 8 років тому +26

    Too much talkin not enough hearing

  • @9KznfiS87f7
    @9KznfiS87f7 6 років тому +2

    5:57 - "You can pull the diodes out of the circuit and it you'll hear clipping". -- That guarantees that this diode comparison is meaningless.

    • @danadrian2752
      @danadrian2752 6 років тому +2

      909955847736 incorrect. As he pointed out diodes aren’t the only thing that clips within the circuit, the opamp does as well. If you prefer it without the diodes by all means don’t include them. But if you prefer the sound of one of the diodes add them. That’s far from meaningless.

  • @danielallan5058
    @danielallan5058 6 років тому

    There's no magic value with clipping diodes...it's the materials the dictate the sound...silicon or germanium..forward voltage determines how loud it's is!

  • @key_session
    @key_session 2 роки тому +1

    You ruined an interesting job, it's a shame! First you listen to the various sounds, and then you make your observations!, but no while you play you take long breaks between one test and another ..., you can not compare any change with your method!, too bad, it was an interesting test!, but you do not understand anything as it is!.
    Hai rovinato un interessante lavoro, è un peccato! Prima fai ascoltare i vari suoni, e poi fai le tue osservazioni!, ma no mentre suoni fai delle lunghe pause fra un test e un altro..., non si può comparare alcun cambiamento con il tuo metodo!, peccato, era un interessante test!, ma non si capisce niente così come è!.