GRIM REAPER WHITETAIL SPECIAL Broadhead Test
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- Опубліковано 19 сер 2024
- This is a test of the Grim Reaper Whitetail Special Pro Series 3 Blade broadhead.
I'm using a Bowtech SR6 at 72# & 27" draw length and Bishop FOC King Arrows, 460 grs and Bishop FAD Eliminator Arrows for the concrete test.
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In case you're not familiar with my new test protocol, here is what I'm doing now:
1. Flight Test--1 field point & 2 broadheads out my by Bowtech SR6 at 40 yds, to see how well they group together.
2. Sharpness Test: I have a new test for edge sharpness and edge retention, using the Edge on Up Sharpness Tester. I test it out of the box and then again after Penetration Test 1, to see the edge retention.
What are some common scores for other edges? Here are some examples:
A butter knife takes 2000 grams of pressure to break the co polymer wire.
A new high end cutlery edge takes approx 375 grams of pressure to break the wire.
A utility razor blade takes approx 200 grams to break the wire.
Based on the many broadheads I have tested, here is my scoring scale:
Out of the Box Sharpness:
0-200 gr: 10
201-300 gr 9
301-400 gr: 8
401-500 gr: 7
501-600 gr: 6
601-700 gr: 5
701-800 gr: 4
801-900 gr: 3
901-1000 gr: 2
1001-1100 gr: 1
1101+ gr: 0
3. Edge Retention: Sharpness difference after Penetration Test 1:
10 minus 1 point for every 50 grams of sharpness difference. For example, if the initial sharpness was 400 gr of pressure and the sharpness after Penetration Test 1 was 450, the head would receive a 9 for Edge Retention Score.
4. Penetration Test 1: one shot into a combined medium of 2/3" of rubber mat, 1/2" MDF and Clear Ballistics FBI Grade Gel. This is to roughly simulate the tissue of an animal--hide, bone and muscle/fat.
5. Penetration Test 2: one shot into layers of cardboard.
6. Durability Test: For fixed blade heads, I take up to 5 shots into .22 ga steel plate and then evaluate the damage to the head. This is a good test to see the overall durability of the blades, as well as their connection to the ferrule. For mechanical heads, I take up to 5 shots into 1/2" MDF and then evaluate the damage to the head.
7. Concrete Test. This is a zero penetration test, which is a good test of the overall structural integrity of a head.
NOTE: Of course I understand we don't hunt steel plates and concrete, but all of these tests simply provide DATA POINTS for you to use in determining which broadhead is best for your hunting purposes. A well placed shot with pretty much any broadhead will get the job done most of the time. But why not prepare for the worst and buy the best you can?
If one head can hold up to multiple shots in steel & concrete-and another cannot--all other things equal, wouldn't you want to use the head that can withstand the steel and concrete? And after taking hundreds of animals with my bow, I've seen some bone shots cause more damage to a broadhead than even a cinder block.
The goal for all of us is to stack the odds in our favor as much as possible, and select a broadhead that is as lethal as possible for our bow/arrow set up and for the animal we are hunting.
At the end of each of my broadhead tests, you will find a score sheet listing all the results of the testing, so you can compare heads based on what factors matter to you the most. I also have an overall LUSK GRADE that is an evaluation of how the head performed in all the tests combined.
Here are my Personal Discount Codes for other Broadheads that I'd like to share with you:
SEVR: LUSKFIVE
Tooth of the Arrow: LUSK19
Afflictor: LUSK10
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I like that John's test reveal where the weakness of the design is found so that informed decisions can be made.
Thank you!
I appreciate these tests being done in a respectful way. For this year, I am going to continue to shoot a grim reaper broadhead. It is not this model, but it is the only mechanical head I have ever shot. For deer and pigs, I have no complaints. I have been bow hunting for close to 40 years. I have shot several broadheads. This Grim Reaper is devastating . I would pass on a quaurtering to deer or pig.
Thank you Clint.
Have you done a test on the Simmons broadhead. I have harvested a lot of food with them.
excellent test. grim reaper seems like a company that will fix the issues your test revealed. you will have a hand in improving an already good product
Well, they are great heads already...but if that cup and retention system were a bit stronger, they would be amazing.
HI JOHN,
Thank you for testing these Grim Reaper broadheads. I watch your broadhead test videos frequently. Your tests are very informative. I used the 150 grain Grim Reaper Pro series for the first time out of my crossbow last season and like their slogan says, watched them drop. Very pleased with their performance and make a great crossbow broadhead in my experience. And like you discovered, you do get a wobbly one on occasion.
Thanks again and God bless!
Very good. Thank you for sharing that.
I have shot these for almost 15 years and I have never had any issues with any of the ones I have shot. I love them and I have only lost 1 deer during that time frame and it was just a poor shot. The deer survived and I am hoping to get a chance on him this year as he eluded me last year.
That's great to hear Luke. Thank you for sharing that. Many others have had your experience as well...and then many others have not had such great luck. These heads certainly get get the job done.
I have the 4 blade whitetail extreme. Love them. Killed my biggest buck with them.
Good to hear that. Thanks for sharing.
Another great test! I have used this head on turkeys (like you recommended at the conclusion) and it performed flawlessly with my specs (26.5"/60#). I won't used it for whitetail simply because of my specs and last year shot the GR Carni-Four instead. Also, a HUGE fan of the GR micro hades four blade like you have tested in the past. My new very recent flight testing testing has been with the the G5 M3. Out of the box VERY sharp, sharpness retention seems pretty decent so far with going into a target about 20 times. What makes this head really stand out is how EXTREMELY accurate it is AND how unbelievably quiet it is in flight. Crazy accurate of to 75 yards so far!! Just ordered a stay sharp 344 to makes these even sharper :-) You should test the M3.
Very good. I do have a test of the M3 coming soon.
I really enjoy hunting with the grim reaper heads. I like the cutting diameter of this one. I shot another REALLY nice 8 this past weekend with the fatal steel. he ran 20 yards and was done. They're seriously deadly heads. Thanks John
Glad to hear that Jay. Congratulations. Thanks for sharing that experience.
The best heads out, on the market!
Glad they're working well for you.
I’ve shot reapers for the last 12 years… after drinking the Ashby juice, some recommendations, and your review my iron will single bevels are on the way 💪🏻
Very good. Thanks Ryan.
Have shot around a dozen deer with the 3 blade grim reapers and never lost one. About half were shot with the 1-3/8 cut and half with the 2 inch cut. Surprisingly all but one of the 2 inch cuts were pass throughs with the exception of a big doe I shot square in the shoulder. It absolutely shattered everything on the first shoulder and got halfway through the second which I found stuck when deboning. Im shooting a Triax with 29.5 draw at about 68 pounds.
Very good. Thanks for sharing that.
I heart shot a buck with these last season, and it never opened. It's a perfect imprint on the heart of where the broadhead just slid across and didn't open. I will never use these again, and I strongly recommend no one else does. I have pics of the broadhead next to the heart as well to prove that it never opened.
That's really interesting. Thank you for sharing that experience.
Any rearward movement of the arrow will close the blades and lock them back in place. The fact that you recovered a dead animal it’s very difficult for me to believe it didn’t open. It probably hit the opposite side shoulder and bounced back and in doing so closed the blades up.
Iv shoot close to 100 deer with this head and not once has the deer made it from my sight
@@mikecredeur7941 I have the pics of the broadhead next to the heart where you can clearly see that the broadhead never opened
Only 2 reasons for it not to open. Either it’s rusted shut or it’s the practice head.
We bought some of these just a few days ago. Thanks for the great review as always!
Very good. Let me know how they work for you.
Ive taken a good amount of deer with the whitetail special pro. They go down fast have been pretty durable. If you have the bow setup they are a deadly mechanical.
Thanks for sharing that.
That you for your time and info always great especially for a new listener definitely binge watching
Thank you, brother. Much appreciated.
i used the 4 blade pro series every deer that i shot never ran passed 40 yards.great broadhead
Very good to hear.
Another great video I love Grimm Reaper broadheads very sharp have had great success with them last year Saturday is opening day here in North Carolina good luck to you this year brother
Thank you Jerry. That's good to hear. And good luck to you, brother!
I use the crossbow version of these and IDC that they are not reusable. I wouldn't reuse any head I kill a deer with. The head is like 10 bucks. So 10 bucks for a whole deer? Meanwhile the bloodtrails (which are not necessary bc u seem them fall) are crazy! Last doe I shot at 47 yards and it went 8 yards and dropped dead!
Thank you for sharing that. I do want to add that the idea behind durability is that only that they can be re-used, but it means they are cutting effectively at their full potential all the way thru the animal, thus making them more lethal. Does that make sense? I am glad to hear these have worked well for you.
@@LuskArcheryAdventures yes John I understand I was just trying to say that for me I will take that trade-off to get so much more cutting diameter and blood trail
They're great for turkey!
Yes sir. One of my faves for that.
Great video
Thanks Mikey.
I used grim reaper heads on 3 deer, first two deer worked fine when they were broadside the 3rd deer was quartering 2 me at 17 yards bounced off the ribs and opened one blade and got 5” of penetration after that I stopped using them, switch to a fixed head and no longer have to worry about angled shots or bones
Thanks for sharing that. They make two different blade angles on each of their mechanical models...and quite a few different sized cuts, so you can find one to fit with your bow's momentum.
Hi there,
Great review. Like all you do.
I love to test out the limits of products.
But i'm missing a little something:
By the cutting and penetration test, i would be very pleased if you would mention one or two numbers for comparision like: my all time best cut was ".... grams" and penetration was "... inches" and maybe a classic everyone ownes or knows like a Zwickey or Excalibur Boltcutter.
Thank you for the encouragement and the feedback. The reason I post the score sheets at the end of each video is so anyone can compare any head to any other head in all those areas. Because I'm testing 5-6 per month, I can't keep commenting on how they measure up to each other, cause there are new ones coming all the time. But the score sheets provide the opportunity for timeless comparisons.
I am working on creating a website that will have all the score sheets on them. Presently, I have a UA-cam Vid that has a compiled score sheet of all the heads I tested in 2020. And on my Facebook Page, Lusk Archery Adventures, I have a score sheet of all the heads tested thru the first quarter of 2021.
@@LuskArcheryAdventures
Thanks for your work on that and for your answer.
I will check outb both. Your hp and the score-vid 😁
Thanks and keep going
I bought these for whitetail season this year and they absolutely are incredible. 28 1/2 and 65lb full pass through cut through ribs on both sides. Deer made it about 50 yards only because it went over a steep ridge and was able to make it farther going down a very steep hill. Tracking was very easy it left a red carpet from the place where i shot the deer to where it came to a rest. It was leaving blood 3 feet up the sides of trees as it passed them. Both arrow and broadhead are in perfect condition wiped the blood off with some leafes and would honestly sling it at another deer. They are also just as accurate as a field point. Would definetly try these if you are sick of shooting a broadhead that doesnt leave a very good blood trail.
Thanks for sharing that experience Bailey.
10 years ago I killed my first deer ever (a doe) with a grim reaper three blade mechanical. It performed well.
Since then I've used about 20 different heads... still haven't met my match made in heaven broadhead. I like expandable heads for accuracy and large ones for good blood trails. I like smaller fixed heads for penetration. I can't seem to get 3 blade heads like montec to fly like my field points.
I get to test a lot on pigs. Someday maybe I'll the perfect one.
Yeah, it is a constant pursuit. Thanks for sharing that.
I shot white tail specials for one season and I shot my biggest buck to date with them. Put a perfect lung shot on the deer and upon finding the arrow after a complete pass through only one of the blades opened. Only found 3 specs of blood and was lucky to find him. Will never shoot them again.
Sorry to hear that. And thank you for sharing it. I will note, that the way these heads deploy, the blades can swing closed after passing thru a medium. It doesn't necessarily mean they didn't open. However, the hole in the medium does reveal that. I've shot Grim Reapers thru targets and had them stick out the back with all the blades closed...but then saw the 3 full slits in the back side of the target.
I don't know what happened with your buck, and I'm sorry that happened. That must have been so frustrating. Thanks again for the comment.
@@LuskArcheryAdventures considering the hole was the size of a field point I’m going to go with they didn’t open.
I've had some that didn't spin perfectly also, I just rotate the blade retention cup to the next slot and try again. Usually I end up getting it to spin true. I also use an ASD witch also helps.
Thanks for sharing that.
Tried them one year at 310 fps. Shot a doe at 15 yards and it didn’t pass through. Deer only made it 20 yards but no blood trail. Next deer was a nice 12 point buck. The blades opened in flight and veered off to the right.The buck was 15 yards. The blade skipped off the side of the deer and cut a slice all the way across the ribs, stopped behind the arm pit, and bounced off. It slit the lung and zippered a huge hole in the hide. The only blood was on the one blade that cut through all the ribs. It took 3.5 hours and over a 500 yard track job to find my buck. Never again .
Thanks for sharing that experience.
I shoot the whitetail special and micro-hybrid. Both are incredible and have never failed or provided an unethical kill.
Good to hear that. Thanks for sharing.
I had one fail on a hard 1/4 away shot last season…hit rib and blade opened throwing a 1 foot long blob of hair 10ft in the air then redirected and rode rib cage to shoulder crease 2inch of penetration and banana peeled the tip in shoulder, broke bucks leg and I saw him a week later chasing a doe on 3 legs…I’ve killed many deer with them, but after that fail I’ll never shoot a mechanical again
Thanks for sharing that experience. I do want to add that not all mechs are created equal. Over the top deploying heads tend to glance off an animal at a hard angle more than rear deploying mechs.
Don't blame the broadhead for a less-than-ideal shot.
only animal Ive ever lost was to a Grim Reaper whitetail special, albeit it was on a hog that was probably pushing 250+lbs tracked it for over 9hrs total through lowland swamp bottoms of Ga.. ended the trail at what folks refer to as a gator hole.. side note it was a 2012 version and the tip was a different geometry if i remember right
That's a bummer...but happens. Big hogs are tough! Yeah, that new Pro Series tip is a great improvement. But for a hog over 250, it's tough to get any mech to penetrate enough.
This guy is what you could call a "prolific hunter".
Well, I don't know about that. But I do love to hunt.
I always wanted to try these but not sure id use them after seeing this but I have changed what I desire a lot over the year. I prefer durability more than anything. I do think this would take a whitetail with a nice lung shot no problem
Great comment Mike.
@@LuskArcheryAdventures I actually bought some to use for the 2023 season
Nice as always John. Think I'm just a bit to stuck in my fixed blade ways lolol.
I hear ya. Thanks brother.
I have shot 3 deer with these found 2 and lost one. Bad penetration on all 3. One was a 30 yard shot found deer 300 yards away the next day 1 lung . Lost a doe that was 42 yards and killed a doe at 17 yards quartering away 1 lung went about 200 yards. About 6 inches of penetration. Heads held up used new heads on all 3 deer.
Thanks for sharing that experience.
Great testing like always. But I just do not think that broadhead held up to any of your testing. It fell apart. I stay wt my fixed blade broadheads
Take a look at his sevr 1.5 videos, even stronger than some fixed heads
Yeah, durability is not its strong suit.
Thanks veryj mutch.
Veryj nice 👏 👏 👏 👏 👏
You're welcome. Thank you for watching
I always use the 125 grain modle and have never broke a blade I gut shot a deer a few years back that only ran 10 yards and died stuff was hanging out the exit no fixed blade would have done that I would have waited several hours or even over night to even start tracking
Very good. Thank you for sharing that.
I wish you would retest the pro series
I just tested the 1 3/8” Pro Series. It will be posted in the weeks ahead
I used them for a years. Then they changed the collars and this started happening. The collars bend and no longer hold the blades closed. I would miss the foam and go through the thin plastic front leg. Never happened until these came out. Mathews whitetail specials were better but broke off blades going a deer.
Thanks for sharing your experiences Gary.
I use them for Whitetails. Deer don't go far and blood trail is amazing, but they are one and done. I will not use them on Elk or bigger african plains game...I use my Valkyrie's for that.
Good plan.
Its not that these heads take too much energy to deploy its that the forward deployment often just slams into the target and never opens. If the impact point hits too far out on the blade they will not deploy the force is transferred into the retention system. A problem amplified by the massive chisel point. Which is why you see these heads punch through targets, take extremely high deployment force/penetration force and often fail to open all the blades. I’ve recovered multiple animals shot with this style head… all have blade deployment failures all full pass through.
Thanks for sharing your experience.
Next year you could measure penatration at the end of the carbon/ base of the broadhead.
Well, I've considered that, but that tip, even though it's not a big cut, can make a difference if it pokes thru hide and causes another hole for blood letting. The difference between one hole and two, even if it's small, can be significant. I figured I'd just settle on counting the tip for the penetration and letting the viewer see the problems with it--and I do comment on in extreme cases like this one.
@@LuskArcheryAdventures good point... side note I really appreciate your content.
I have this head but have not got the chance to kill anything with it yet. I also have the Carnifour and Minimag which seem to have a more durable ferrule.
Yep. Thanks brother.
@@LuskArcheryAdventures do you think you could re do the afflictor broadhead with this testing setup. The K2 i hear they have come back out with the non shearing drivekey.
Been using these for a while (but I use the razor tips but same thing). Pass throughs at 60+ yards on two whitetails. Fly straight and true.
Very good. Thanks for sharing that Michael.
Bs!
@@reddawng43x91 unfortunately on UA-cam we can't share photos, but I have pictures to back it up. These are good broadheads. Unfortunately I have that these are also a one and done broadhead
If you look at 1:53. You can see that the blades are not closing all the way.
Well, that's as closed as those blades got.
Definitely a trade off. Big cut if you hit a deer back will be a lot better. But obviously if you hit further front a fixed blade will be better, really seems like there isn’t a perfect head
Right on--that is a great summary.
Cool video 😎👍
Thanks David.
I would like to see you do a test on the new revised afflictor hybrid x mini, I got a set of the new ones with the stronger tip. I guess the screw in the tip is stronger
Yeah, I'm doing that right now.
SERV 1.7 in my quiver.
Great choice.
John, asking your professional engineering opinion. I shoot 55#, 30” draw, 4mm arrows. Are those specs “strong enough” for mechanical heads? If so, which do you recommend? Sevr, shwacker, GR, ??
Yep. The heavier your arrow the better. Sevr 1.5 is a great choice for max penetration.
Curious to see what your perspective is on arrow weight, given the influence of Ranch Fairy. My arrows are nearly identical to yours in weight, as is my draw length at 27.5. Please considering weighing in on the debate (pun intended) and use some of your great experience to support your rationale. Also, please post a list of heads you would like to test and how to get them to you. Thank you, Sir.
Thank you Richard. I certainly understand the value of a heavier arrow. I've used 860 gr arrows in Africa and tested arrows up to 1165 grains. But I also like to shoot at distance and like the margin of error that a lighter shaft provides. So the perfect balance for N American animals, for me, is in the mid 400s. Mine are 460 gr right now. Some of the heads I've wanted to test are: Slick Trick Assailant Hybrid, Slick Trick Raptor Trick and Slick Trick Magnum. Also: Ramcat Diamondback Hybrid, Ramcat Cage Ripper, Hunor Broadheads--any model, and Grizzly Stick Massai. I know that's too many, but those are some that come to mind. I prefer 125 gr, but can work with any weight.
My address is 6159 Nottingham Dr, Johnston, Iowa, 50131
Thank you!
Why do most manufacturers make the mechanical broad heads out of aluminum? Would it be better out of a heavier stronger steel to aide in penetration and increase kinetic energy to open blades and drive it through the animal. They would hold up better also.
Well, the weight of steel is so much greater. When broadheads are trying to stay within the popular, marketable weight limit of 100 or 125 grains and yet also trying to be super wide in their cut, something has to give. Heavier is better for penetration, but not for trajectory and not for marketability. Everything is a tradeoff.
John, correct me if I'm wrong but isn't this one of the better performing penetration mechanicals especially for its size?
Yes it is...but with some qualifiers: 1. The blades don't reach their full cut until at least 1" into a medium. 2. The tips are so long, that they protrude about 1.5 or 2" past the cut of the blades. So with both of those combined, you are cutting much less tissue than rear deploying mechs and also more than shorter mechs that have their blades more forward. Does that make sense?
I would hope Grim Reaper would fix the weak retention system!
Yeah...I've heard you can use the 125 gr rings on the 100 gr heads to make them a bit stronger.
Yeah i think i have some that don’t spin true. something is wrong with somethin’. 1-3/8” Pro Series heads wouldn’t group for shit. whereas fixed heads like 1” Slick Tricks are lights out accurate.
Interesting. Thanks for sharing your experiences.
I love the review! Which of the Reapers had the best review from you? I have shot the Whitetail Extreme the past few years but want something a little more compact this year.
I've liked all of the pro series; probably my favorite is the micro hybrid.
How's it shoot? Chris Bee posted a video of himself shooting these and they were hitting WAY low.
They shot fine for me, but only tested them at shorter ranges.
@@LuskArcheryAdventures It sucks you can’t test them without ruining them. I have a mule deer tag starting next week. Think I’ll stick with my exodus since I know they fly right.
John if you still have a new Grim Reaper micro Hades or regular Hades sitting around can you use your new sharpness tester and tell us how many grams those blades are vs the GR mechanicals on just sharpness? Thanks!
That's a good question. I don't think I have any left, but I'll check and let you know if i do.
I really really want to know how much force that arrow tip would hold. And not just straight in the opposite direction, but at angles like 45 and 90°.
(Batman gadget dreams)
Yeah, I have no idea. Thanks for watching and commenting.
Great video as always. Have you tested the 1 3/8 version?
I've not. I've hunted with them a lot and like them. GR was supposed to mail me some to test but then didn't.
I am considering switching to these from slick trick(viper trick). The issue I’m having is blood trails. The vipertricks I’ve been on a 50/50 recovery rate on pigs and many of those I found the pig dead with not much blood. I’ve got an eye on a big hog and I want to get him back … what do you think. If not this what ?
Good question. Did you watch my vid on Broadheads & Bloodtrails? It will explain a lot about that exact issue. Vipertricks are great for flight and penetration, but don't have a very wide cut. While shot placement is the most important issue, selecting a head that gives you a wider cut while still penetrating deeply will help. The Exodus or Tooth of the Arrow XL are other great choices for fixed blade heads. If the pigs are under 200 lbs, then a good mech like a Sevr 1.5 or 2.0 will help as well.
Hey John. How would you rate the Grim Reaper vs Sevr Broadheads? I’ve been thinking about changing and I value your thoughts. Love your reviews. Keep up the great work!!
They're both good heads--but very different in many ways. The GR is front or over the top deploying, so you will get a smaller entrance hole. The Sevr is rear deploying so you will get a larger entrance. I prefer a larger entrance hole, cause if I don't get a pass thru, I want at least one large hole. The Sevr is much much more durable as well. But for turkey, I sometimes prefer an over the top deploying head cause certain parts of a turkey are harder for a larger cut to penetrate.
@@LuskArcheryAdventures thank you!!!
I dont understand why they are using aluminium on the ferrule. If they had used some tool steel they would preform so much better with bone.
Well, there are two reasons: 1. Weight. To use tool steel would add considerably more weight to such a long ferrule. 2. Cost. Tool steel is much more expensive than this aluminum.
It'd have been interesting to see how far it took through the cardboard for the blades to fully deploy. I found last year when I used these that the blades deployed late and unevenly.
Yeah, it took a while, that's for sure.
My set up is 32” draw 75 lbs Mathews Atlas 480 grain arrow. Would you recommend this broadhead for whitetail? Or is there another broadhead that comes to mind that you would recommend for my set up? Thanks for the videos!
It can certainly work...but I prefer something a bit more durable and prefer a rear deploying mech for most hunting situations so I get at least a big entrance hole. Check out my vids of the Sevr 2.0 and the Afflictor. Those are great options.
@@LuskArcheryAdventures already have, multiple times lol. I actually bought the 2.0 sevrs due to watching your videos. I’m just starting out and was questioning myself thinking I should try to get a bigger cut
Do u recommend this broadheat for elk hunting.
Nope. It’s called a Whitetail special for a reason. It would take a lot of kinetic energy to drive that deep enough into an elk. And the blades are probably not strong enough to handle the heavier bones of an elk.
Shot a buck with one and hit bone snapped off right in front of retention cup. Arrow fell to ground.
Well, that's disappointing...and not super surprising. They are pretty long, narrow and have thin blades. Angled shots also put a lot of strain on longer, thinner heads like this.
How would rate grim reapers vs g5 mega meats?
If you're talking about the Grim Reaper Whitetail Special vs the Megameat...both can get the job done, for sure. But neither have quite the durability I'm looking for in a broadhead. But they will both make great holes. I prefer the rear deploying mechs, like the Megameat, for a larger entry hole.
Not crazy about aluminum ferrules and large, unsupported blades for deer-sized game or bigger.
Yeah, I hear ya on that.
@Lusk Archery Adventures : I like your vids, however, have one issues with the conclusions you draw from the "wound channel" shape when shooting fixed blades through steel. I debate that the shape you see in steel represents the shape we would see when shot through fur & tissue as the flexibility & elasticity is TOTALLY different. E.g. (that's a little bit off topic as this vid is about a mechanical) the "BIG" wound channel some fixed 3-blades or 4-blades produces is - IMO - just caused by the fact that the steel has not enough flexibility and / or elasticity to bend in another way, and as such the hole we see in a steel sheet does in no way show us the wound channel we would see in a game. And even the conclusion that those holes would indicate at least a trend is IMO far fetched. You wouldn't shoot the BH through a glass window and conclude that the hole would represent a wound channel in an animal, or? .....shooting a BH through steel gives an indication about the toughness, but IMHO can't give any indication about the resulting wound channel in a game.
Well, I understand what you're saying. Yes, tissue is going to be different. However, the steel does give you a clear image of the hole only created by the head itself; it's as though you're shooting it thru clay; it's a static snap shot of what happens as the head passes thru it.
@@LuskArcheryAdventures yes, but the steel is not elastic while tissue can be a) pushed out of the way (avoid cutting) and can bounce back once the projectile passed through, and b) might just be cut without further "bending" (like the steel bend) leaving a total different real wound channel. These holes some BHs facilitate in steel are sometimes really impressive, but personally I would never made my decision for a BH based on those holes in steel. But as an indicator wrt the toughness of the BH it gets my 👍.
So What do you use to hunt with
Man, I hunt with as many different heads as I can, whenever they perform very well in my testing. If you check out my bowhunting playlist on my channel, you will see more than 60 bow hunts. And I always show how the broadhead performed.
@@LuskArcheryAdventures yes i recently found your channel. And can't quit watching the videos. I love the broadhead testing. Can't wait to watch the hunt videos. I just ordered some sevr's 1.75 can't wait to test them on a whitetail.
That’s all I use. Batting a 1000. 🏹
Very good. Thanks for sharing that.
Let's go hunting cinder blocks lol 😆
Well, first, thanks for watching. Of course we don't hunt cinder blocks. But there is a good value in doing a zero penetration test. It reveals the structural integrity of a broadhead. A hard impact on a joint of a large animal will can be even more damaging to a broadhead, especially when it impacts the heavy bone at an angle.
The goal of my testing is to provide data points from consistent tests so broadheads can be compared.
It's certainly not necessary for a head to be able to withstand an impact on concrete in order to kill an animal in most situations. However, if one head does hold up well to it and another does not...all other things equal...wouldn't you choose the one that can withstand such an impact?
The same goes true with the .22 gauge steel plate for fixed blade heads or the 1/2" MDF for mechs, in my testing. It's certainly not necessary for a head to be able withstand 5 shots thru such a medium in order to kill an animal in most situations. However, if one head does hold up well and another does not...all other things equal...wouldn't you choose the one that can withstand such an impact?
I just provide data points on flight, penetration in 2 different mediums, sharpness, edge retention and durability in 2 different mediums. Then you can decide which of those data points matter to you...and you don't have to blindly trust what is written on the package or on the TV commercial, or what worked once or twice for a buddy on his hunt. You have solid data to choose the best broadhead for your hunting needs.
If you think that kind of info is a joke, then this channel is not for you. I wish you well in your hunting.
But if you're serious about making the most ethical kills as possible, then why not take the time to study the research and select a head that is objectively and consistently tested in a myriad of ways? These tests will help you make the best choice--at no cost to you; just a few minutes of viewing.
@@LuskArcheryAdventures thank you for making these videos much appreciated
TiL; grim reapers chisel tip screws off.
Yep.
Back in the day these POS heads would open up right outta the bow. I had to double up on the springs so they’d stay closed, then they wouldn’t open. Threw them all away.
Yeah, they've improved their springs a bit over the years; sometimes have had bad batches.
Not a fan of these because of the poor performance on angled shots. The way these deploy makes it lose a lot of penetration on angled shots.
Yeah, that has been an issue in some situations; the challenge of using an over the top deploying mech.
I stopped watching at 3:50 because you described a 50% wobble issue, and 440 stainless, which I know doesn't hold a sharp edge long . I own a large collection of knives, and am well educated about the best types of steel for sharpness retention. 440 is about the worst .
Well, compared to the steels that most broadheads use, 44C is pretty good. But I'm not promoting the heads; I'm just testing them.
Lol wow, I’ll never buy a grim reaper when I can buy spitfires or wasp jackhammers or rocket sidewinders for half the price and triple the performance
Ok. There are some GRs that perform very well.
This is a broadhead that I wouldn't trust. Just my opinion.
Yeah, I'm sure it can get the job done most of the time...and on smaller animals all of the time...but I prefer a greater durability, personally.
I don't understand why people use these worthless expandable broad heads prone to all kinds of malfunction when you can buy a single bevel that destroys everything out there......waste of time on these things
That’s the dumbest most one track minded statement I’ve ever heard literally thousands of animals have died from mechanicals.
@@MrBanolicious I'm not debating your statement.
But unless you like tinkering with unreliable bullshit broadheads you should consider what has bought food on the table in this country for tens of thousands of years....including woolly mammoths: Single bevel broached design pal.
Technology so proven you can make them out of stone!
@@RyzER617 Because they flat out kill better when soft tissue is the target, which it should be. If you need a single bevel broadhead that makes a tiny hole with a 550+ grain arrow, for whitetails, maybe consider using a different weapon. And your statement about wooly mammoths is almost as dumb as your need for a moose arrow on deer.
@@madwe2269 you are out of your fucken mind
The reason i subscribed was because of this channels author doing a test on the best single bevel heads on the market...
For you to say these Expandables are superior displays your ignorance on what exactly those things can do..
Why don't you look up his testing on these fucken devastating and ancient designed broadheads. And yeah if your argument is about hitting soft tissue then you admit IMMEDIATELY the BONE CRUSHING POWER of this ancient design..
Well, I test a lot of heads. Mechs certainly have their place. For huge animals I'll go with a single bevel 2 blade...but for whitetail size and smaller, I'll take a quality mech over them any day of the week.