The Truth About Hell vs. Adventist Misconceptions
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- Опубліковано 2 сер 2024
- Did Roman Catholicism distort the character of God in the Dark Ages by changing the 10 Commandments and inventing the idea of eternal conscious torment in Hell? SDA Pastor John Lomacang demonstrates the SDA distortion of church history and the role this distortion plays in Adventist theology and understanding.
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CHAPTERS:
0:00 - Satan’s Second Attack on God: John Lomacang
3:33 - Satan’s Second Attack: Roman Catholicism
9:18 - Satan’s Second Attack: Hell
20:24 - Did Rome Invent Hell?
22:28 - Clement of Rome
23:19 - Tatian the Assyrian
24:33 - Theophilus of Antioch
28:13 - God Hates Evildoers
32:55 - God Hates the Wicked
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The Gospel of Jesus Christ:
Man is a sinner (Romans 3:23; 1 John 1:8) and our sin has separated us from our Maker (Isaiah 59:2). In His grace, God entered into His own creation in the person of Jesus Christ (John 1:1-14; Col. 1:19), born of a virgin (Matt. 1:23), and lived a perfect and sinless life, fulfilling all the Law’s demands (2 Cor. 5:21; Matt. 5:17), on a mission by God the Father to save sinners from condemnation (John 3:16-18, 6:37-40). He paid the penalty for sin which is death (Romans 6:23) and bore the sins of His people in His body on a cross (1 Peter 2:24), making propitiation by His blood (Romans 3:25). He died, was buried, and resurrected in the same body He died in on the third day for our justification (1 Cor. 15, Romans 4:25; Luke 24:39). By a living faith (James 2:18) in the Person and Work of Jesus (Romans 10:9-10), God graciously declares a person righteous (Romans 4:5), they are reconciled to their Creator (Romans 5:10-11), given Christ’s righteousness in full (Phil. 3:8-9), sealed with the Holy Spirit (Eph. 1:13), and have peace with God (Romans 5:1). They are born again of the Spirit (1 John 5:1, Titus 3:5), adopted into His family (Eph. 4:5-7), and are granted eternal resurrection life in Jesus Christ (1 John 5:11), set free to do good works that please Him (Eph. 2:10; 1 John 2:3-4). Jesus will physically return one day to judge the living and the dead (1 Peter 4:5; Acts 24:15; John 5:24-5), throwing the wicked out of His Kingdom (Matt. 13:41-3), but His people will be spared from the wrath to come (1 Thess. 1:10) to dwell in union with God forever (Rev. 21:3).
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Adventism prepares one to not be prepared at all for life eternal that awaits us after we leave the body.
Lord have mercy
The healthy fear of the Lord about the truth of hell is literally what caused my husband to finally submit and repent on September 26,2020. Praise God 2 men in a video had the courage to share the truth about the gospel that day to him!
@@bbsvchic amen. Not the unhealthy repentance out of fear of Hell and being tortured by God-but a holy, righteous awe and realization that one is worthy of damnation outside of Christ. And that it’s only through the perfect Person and work of God in Christ that I not get what I deserve which is condemnation. I don’t deserve mercy and grace. But Christ is good, merciful, and kind.
@@answeringadventism absolutely!!
Whenever I see topics about hell and Adventism, I always like to share the story that happened to me just a couple months after I realized that I had been raised in a false teaching of Adventism my entire life, and after those months of reading the Bible, I realized so many things I thought were the truth were absolutely not, and I was believing what God's word said about salvation, the nature of man, etc.
I was really still wrestling with one day and I just remember feeling this heaviness on me and I asked God, I see in the scripture that it's clear he'll is not just some temporary thing, my spirit knew it, but my mind was still struggling with it. And I said God, please just make it clear to me. And I kid you not within the next five minutes I had all of these things just come into my mind, I didn't watch it from a video or read it, I just remember thinking of a scenario in a courtroom. God brought the analogy of our earthly justice system. I pictured a man standing in front of a judge who had stolen a car, did reckless driving and killed a family of four. In my mind, I saw how the judge convicted him to 250 years in prison. The judge sentenced him for each count that he did, for each person he killed it was a sentencing. Nobody lives 250 years so why would the judge do that? Also, this whole scenario only took five minutes for him to drive recklessly and kill these people. Is it fair or unfair that he is spending his entire life in prison for something that only took five minutes to happen? It wasn't the amount of time that mattered. It was the weight and the seriousness of the crime. God made it so clear to me that those who are not alive in Christ will stand before the Almighty perfect judge one day, and they will be convicted for every single sin they ever committed in their entire life. This is thousands upon thousands. Not to mention, Jesus actually elevated the seriousness of sin in Matthew, five when he said, even if your thought is about adultery, you've committed it. Even if your thought is hateful towards someone, it's the same as murder!I mean literally all these things just was super clear to me within a few minutes, and I started weeping because I understood the power of the gospel and what Jesus truly saved us from. 😢The hypothetical man in my mind getting served 250 years in prison absolutely knew he deserved it, the judge wasn't a bad judge for sentencing it, and nobody in that room would stand up and say wow what an awful monster you are judge for condemning him like that for just one crime that only took a few minutes
It was truly that day I understood clearly that I had no clue how serious sin had been, and how serious our sin was to God. We all deserve eternal hell and separation from him, but Jesus saved us from it.
Way to go Myles! 👍
While I don't hold to eternal torment myself, you successfully showed that there have been great men of God who held to eternal torment long before Roman Catholicism ever came along. The mature and well studied Christian should be able to see that there certain theological subjects that can be interpreted somewhat differently, and thus they are able to maintain a respectable dialog and fellowship with other Christians about this and other matters. Not so with the SDAs.
No, the SDAs won't allow for *any variation* of their completely dogmatic interpretation of all things related to theology. And because of their complete dismissal of anything Catholic, they constantly assault other Christians who hold common doctrine with Catholicism, stooping to the level of *character assassination* by mere doctrinal association (the Genetic fallacy).
I've never heard a SDA ever say something mature like "I can see how you might come to that conclusion, although I see it differently". No instead they tend to paint all doctrines counter to their view as somehow worthy of being on and in the same RCC fast-track lane that leads to hell. Apparently the rest of Christianity is all somehow on this same road of perdition as the Roman Catholics, because, after all, we are nothing more than *"the daughters of the Whore"* just following and doing what we see our Mother Church *"Babylon"* do.
I must say that I find it rather amusing, this recent implosion amongst Seventh-day Adventists regarding the doctrine of the Trinity. The old school hardline SDAs have recently somehow become reinvigorated over their old original view of the concept of the "Triune God", and they are now at each other's throats, with the hardline referring to the main branch of Adventism as "Jesuits" over this matter. This internal bickering is very telling of their true nature, they are very *combative* , even with their own.
Some men of God believed various errors. Some of them have been martyrs for erroneous beliefs, but the error cannot be sanctified through martyrdom.
Revelation 21:4 And God will wipe away every tear from their eyes; there shall be no more death, nor sorrow, nor crying. There shall be no more pain, for the former things have passed away.”
Note: John states that there will come a time when there will be no more pain. Even if the verse were speaking only of the righteous, it would still be ironic that the righteous would feel no pain when considering the tormented souls of the wicked. It is much more natural to read this verse as showing the complete lack of pain or death for the wicked too. That would be the true end of death.
You’re wrong. The verse is only speaking of the righteous. The righteous will not weep for the wicked just like Lazarus did not weep for the rich man who was tormented.
Revelation 14:9-11 says, "If anyone worships the beast and its image and receives a mark on his forehead or on his hand, he also will drink the wine of God’s wrath...and he will be tormented with fire and sulfur in the presence of the holy angels and in the presence of the Lamb. And the smoke of their torment goes up forever and ever, and they have NO REST, day or night." If they were annihilated out of existence, then the statement no rest day or night makes no sense. Revelation 20:10 says, "And the devil who had deceived them was thrown into the lake of fire and sulfur where the beast and the false prophet were, and they will be TORMENTED day and night FOREVER and ever. . .Then Death and Hades were thrown into the lake of fire. This is the second death, the lake of fire. And if ANYONE"S name was not found written in the book of life, he was thrown into the lake of fire." By the way, the word torment is translated from the Greek word Basanismos, and it means to torture. It absolutely does NOT mean to annihilate and put out of existence.
Daniel 12:2 KJV
[2] And many of them that sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, some to everlasting life, and some to shame and everlasting contempt.
Thank you for the great explanation Myles.
.. Ironically interesting that you mentioned Daniel 7 : 25, and scoffed in connection with SDA's believing this verse points to - "Roman Papacy, persecuting christians" ...
Here too, is a little tidbit about John Knox, Founder of Reformed Presbyterianism, and from his Church, on this subject.
"In April 1547 John Knox stepped into the chapel pulpit of St. Andrews castle and preached his first sermon as a Reformed minister and his text was Daniel 7:24-25.
The main point Knox made in that sermon was that the Romish papacy was the fulfillment of Daniel’s “little horn,” the Antichrist and Man of Sin. By staking out that claim, Knox was aligning himself with the whole Reformed establishment of the 16th and 17th centuries. Though this position is not widely held any longer, this message takes a look at the reason Knox and the rest of the Reformed held this view and demonstrates that it enjoys a solid Biblical and historical footing."
Like the 10 commandments - Adventists don't keep the Sabbath, they just SAY they do.
Another Brilliant Video from Myles. He keeps Going from Strength to Strength 😊
Sooo, Was, or Will, Jesus Christ also still have to suffer the eternal 2nd death in a firey, conscious, burning hell too, being since He already paid the price, and took & bore the "sins of many" upon Himself, while in torment upon the cross for that 6 hours??? ...
Adventism teaches that the *innocent lambs of the burnt offerings IN THE LAW* are the same as the meaning of as what Christ meant the wicked would receive "ETERNAL PUNISHMENT" . Yeah, Christ sent those "unblemished" lambs to *"eternal punishment"* according to Adventist theology! What brilliance!
Another excellent video.
How is eternal torment viable when even Satan himself will be burned up and be ashes under the saints feet?
Right, you didn’t listen. John Lomacang literally said this same thing and it was addressed.
This wasn’t about which position is correct. It was about addressing the SDA misrepresenting of what OTHERS believe.
Why do you comment on our videos when you very clearly don’t actually listen?
@@answeringadventism ok I get it now .. never mind
Revelation 14:9-11 says, "If anyone worships the beast and its image and receives a mark on his forehead or on his hand, he also will drink the wine of God’s wrath...and he will be tormented with fire and sulfur in the presence of the holy angels and in the presence of the Lamb. And the smoke of their torment goes up forever and ever, and they have NO REST, day or night." If they were annihilated out of existence, then the statement no rest day or night makes no sense. Revelation 20:10 says, "And the devil who had deceived them was thrown into the lake of fire and sulfur where the beast and the false prophet were, and they will be TORMENTED day and night FOREVER and ever. . .Then Death and Hades were thrown into the lake of fire. This is the second death, the lake of fire. And if ANYONE"S name was not found written in the book of life, he was thrown into the lake of fire." By the way, the word torment is translated from the Greek word Basanismos, and it means to torture. It absolutely does NOT mean to annihilate and put out of existence.
@@MB777-qr2xv wrong 😑 satan himself will be burned up to ashes you have to harmonize all of the scriptures
@@rhb30001they literally gave you Bible verses that plainly say the devil and his angels will be tormented day and night forever and ever... how can you possibly say it says something else
❤❤❤❤❤ eagerly awaiting your new series
Sooooo... (According to SDAs) Satan slanders the character of God... & SDAs slander the character of all non-SDA Christians...? 🤔
By the way, I know that Baptists were not necessarily around during the first generation of the prostate Reformation, but Baptist do agree with Anna Baptist that baptism is only for believers. So while most, if not all of the original reformers may have believed in infant baptism, that is not the case of all protestants, or even, all liturgical/traditional protestants. I don’t know if you addressed this at some other point, but I thought I would let you know.
Whoever believes in this sick view of who God is that he burns people forever is truly twisted in who they think God is
That’s what the Bible teaches. Annihilationism is unbiblical
@@deus_vult8111 You have zero clue what your talking about . This isn’t what the Bible teaches at all
@@Rezparviz of course it is. We are soul/spirit and body. The body dies when the soul/spirit leaves the body. We don’t cease to exist. By that logic Jesus ceased to exist. Which is impossible because the Second Person of the Most Holy Trinity could never cease to exist
@@deus_vult8111 again you have zero Clue what your talking about at all . All you’re doing is regurgitating stuff you believe to be true about God and yet you have no clue who he is at all or his character . Congratulations you have spent your entire life studying about him and missed who he is all together
@@Rezparviz I mean there was a time in my life when I missed who he truly is, it was when I was SDA for 20+ years before actually realizing the truth.
But since you seem to think you know better enlighten me why what I said was wrong :)
I'm a follower of the holy scriptures . Thru this site I have come across many others and have had the opportunity to compare . I find many faults in what this man says. He a lot on extra biblical authors who are men like us and therefore fallible. This ongoing debate yuo and the advent defense league is very interesting. Why don't you go on their channel and discuss with them?
What does Daniel 7 25 mean? And if it doesn't mean the way SDAs interpret it, then why was the pope apologizing to the Waldenses??? Then which nationg is the forth beast of Daniel???
My friend, where does it say that Lucifer is the Devil? Where in Ezekiel does it even mention Satan?
Excellent breakdown of their fauly reasoning and denial of Scripture.
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Okay, you can come to that conclusión about the Ten Commandments, if Satan wanted to be in GOD'S Place?
Secondly, those 10 Kingdoms were not Rome, but Rome gave these Kingdoms power to kill those who did not follow the Roman Catholic Church...
"I say unto you, He that entereth not by the door into the sheepfold, but climbeth up some other way, the same is a thief and a robber." And here the Bible talk about the crime we found today in downtown Chicago. Right?
Stop twisting the Word of God with hogwash assumptions.
Daniel 7 25 dark ages? U cannot make this up😮
The Bible lets us formulate whatever doctrine suits us. But if we gather the passages about kindness, long-suffering, the sacrifice through which Him wants to redeem his creature, we can get a different picture than that of a God willing to torture his children for eternity. When God punished, He withdrew His life almost instantly. The flood, the death of the firstborn of the Egyptians, the 185 thousand enemies killed in one night, Sodom, Gomorrah and Lot's wife, all these treacherously, they were not tortured. They just had their lifeline cut off. There are many more verses and proofs about God's love than those about His desire for revenge!
@user-yk8oj9jf5y . Revelation 14:9-11 says, "If anyone worships the beast and its image and receives a mark on his forehead or on his hand, he also will drink the wine of God’s wrath...and he will be tormented with fire and sulfur in the presence of the holy angels and in the presence of the Lamb. And the smoke of their torment goes up forever and ever, and they have NO REST, day or night." If they were annihilated out of existence, then the statement no rest day or night makes no sense. Revelation 20:10 says, "And the devil who had deceived them was thrown into the lake of fire and sulfur where the beast and the false prophet were, and they will be TORMENTED day and night FOREVER and ever. . .Then Death and Hades were thrown into the lake of fire. This is the second death, the lake of fire. And if ANYONE"S name was not found written in the book of life, he was thrown into the lake of fire." By the way, the word torment is translated from the Greek word Basanismos, and it means to torture. It absolutely does NOT mean to annihilate and put out of existence.
As you read this, keep in mind that Ellen G. White says "an Angel" told her this regarding the doctrine eternal punishment! Quote: "Said the angel, Life is life, whether it is in pain or happiness". *"Death is without pain, without joy, without hatred."* (Volume 1 Chapter 19 *"Death is without pain, without joy, without hatred."* Spiritual Gifts volume 1, chapter 19 *So, basically EG White teaches an "Angel" told Ellen G. White, and Batchelor all the Adventist ministers and their followers believe and teach, *eternal punishment* equals death into annihilation, extinction and nonexistence, *just like the Atheists and Satanist teach* .
Ellen G. White and Adventists equate the death of an animal, insect, fowl or fish as the meaning of "Eternal punishment". In other words, step on a bug, kill an animal for food, or every time and a living thing does, it goes to "Eternal punishment" by Adventists brilliant theology! And they think and teach that's exactly what Christ meant in Mt. 25:41-45.
THE WHOLE LESSON TAUGHT BY CHRIST in Luke 16:19-31 is summed up by *Christ himself in saying that if they had listened to Moses and the Prophets, they wouldn't be in torment* *The SDA has learned to despise and hate the true Christ and Satan has prepared them for hell, itself*
Here's the Adventist scheme in a nutshell.
1. Pretend you believe and profess Christ, so you can claim you have the faith of Christ.
2. Then claim that the phrase "keeping the commandments of God means, pretended "Sabbath keeping" so you can tell the world you do both knowing you are lying.
3. Get members and followers to follow Moses and tell them that following Moses IS following Christ.
4. And, lastly tell you not to worry because the worst that can happen to you is God will put you to eternal sleep. How utterly deceitful is the false prophet and the SDA.
5. Hamas wishes to thank the Adventists so much for the very consoling gospel of soul sleep, while their victims suffer and are tormented.
Noway Jose you have hit a bulls eye with this statement.
@@Marey-hw6wn Thank you
@@elijahrodgers416 Tyndale was not the sharpest knife in the drawer. Neither are you all. Adventism teaches that the God sends the *innocent lambs of the burnt offerings IN THE LAW* to the definition of "Eternal punishment" and that is the same as the meaning of as what Christ meant the wicked would receive "ETERNAL PUNISHMENT" . Yeah, Christ sent those "unblemished" lambs to *"eternal punishment"* according to Adventist theology! What brilliance!
A lot of lives are going to be lost in Hell fire!!!!
Not because we are bad people but because we get worship wrong from allow the wrong individuals to speak into our lives.
Why did Jesus not suffer for our sins in hell eternally then? (I’m not trying to be blasphemous, I’m genuinely asking the question because the logic falls short for me here…I want to believe what’s true)
@@emilydesiree6921 because Jesus’s sacrifice was of infinite divine value. This is why the hypostatic union is such an important doctrine.
Because Jesus is fully divine, death could not hold him, yet His sacrifice can be of infinite and divine value to satisfy the penalty for sin. He did not need to suffer for eternity for the eternal consequence to be satisfied in the place of those He died for.
For most people, however, after a life full of more and more dramatic troubles, even death does not come too soon to relieve them of their suffering. Some like these await death as a favor. Then finally comes death. The complete torment of the body is over. But wait, don't rejoice! In your short life, you were not an example. You were not very interested in your spiritual life. Now, you must give account for the years you have lived on earth. If you have escaped the pains of the body you left behind, from now on follows the eternal torment of the soul that cannot die. All this speculation led to diabolical inventions, The heresy regarding bodies consumed by the fires of hell is the culmination of the distortion of God's character. A monstrous heresy has been invented, a distorted doctrine implicating the merciful heavenly Father,
Chill Bro L ~~~
Annihilation is a comforting doctrine for the lost and undermines Christ's sacrifice.
Annihilation deceives a person into thinking that if they are wrong, they don't have to suffer for eternity. Eventually, they will cease to exist. Perhaps, this crosses the mind of SDAs when they are confronted by the evidence they have a false prophet. They think to themselves, "well, if I do go down with the ship, it's not forever. Eventually, I will pass into oblivion." This leads to a false sense of security.
Annihilation also carries the implication that a person can pay for their own sins. They simply have to suffer for a certain amount of time and are then released to the "salvation" of oblivion.
Yet, there is no salvation apart from Christ. Jesus is the only one who can remove sin. If a person goes to hell with their debt of sin intact, it remains forever, with no possible way to ever be paid for because they are forever separated from Christ, who is the only agent of sin removal.
.. Yeshua paid the price & died the 2nd death for the "sins of many", right?...
He was in torment on the the cross for 6 hours..
Since the 2nd death = eternal life in torment within a fire-burning hell, (right?).. Does that then mean that He will also have to burn in hell for all eternity, like the lost will have to for their sins? ...
@@ChrisTian-tz3eq You are equated Jesus to mere man. If that is what you think, you should repent of your blasphemy.
Jesus isn't a mere man. He is the God-man, perfect, holy and infinite. That's how He can pay for all sins for all time in one go. He is the perfect, all sufficient Savior.
@@stever574 ... You're missing the point..
Yeshua paid the price for the "sins of many" for the "2nd death"..
Proving that "eternal life"/consciousness, in a firey-burning hell throughout all eternity is a false interpretation.
True that the "2nd- "DEATH" IS eternal - Meaning: no more hope for a resurrection back to life after that Final Judgment...
Exactly. Find it extremely interesting that the major cult sof Mormonism, Jehovah's Witness, and seventh day Adventism, who all preach false gospel, which iscursed, also change the reality of hell. They water it down tremendously to some temporary, not so big deal punishment.
3ABN Worship Hour...Is that a prophetic hour? LOL
Your explanation does not rule out the affirmation of Pastor John Lomacang. If some of the early Church Fathers believed in an eternal hell, was it their theological opinion, or maybe there was first a Church Council that decreed this unbiblical and hateful dogma? Most errors crept in the Church in the post-apostolic centuries, but they were accepted as Church dogmata much later. And the most responsible agent of this Gospel of Hell in the Middle Ages was the Church of Rome -- who else?
The Bible speaks of Gehenna or Hell only in poetical language, in parables or in symbolic prophecies, where all images are possible. Wherever the Bible speaks in plain language, it indicates ANNIHILATION. Protestants and Catholics together must learn to read the Bible, without the help of Church traditions, and not in a mechanical style, sticking to a letter and killing the spirit and the true meaning. The Bible is written as a literary text, not as a technical report or kind of protocol / proceeding.
Revelation 20:9 declares that the wicked will be CONSUMED in the Heavenly fire. Even though the next scene describes the sinners in a dramatic and symbolic language as being tortured in an eternal ”lake and fire and brimstone”, John the Revelator explains us that the ”lake of fire” is the SECOND DEATH = (death forever, without any hope of resurrection ever): EVEN THE HELL WILL GO TO HELL! Hallelujah! Rev 20:14; 21:8.
Jesus also taught that God will DESTROY BOTH SOUL AND BODY IN THE GEHENNA (HELL(. Matt 10:28.
OMNIA AD MAJOREM DEI GLORIAM !
Your own comment disproves John Lomacangs fiction. But also shows you haven’t studied church history. It doesn’t take an ecumenical council for something to have been normative Christian teaching. But even so, where was that claimed?
It wasn’t a teaching that was a product of the dark ages. Period. This whole fiction is based on Ellen whites botching of history.
You will not go with the pastors to heaven or to hell, there is not night or days or weekly circles in heaven not church or churches in God's presence but only the church Christ founded.
Jesus used the word "fire" to describe hell, if it was just annihilation after death ,why would he use the description of "fire"? And plz dint humor me with "hell (gehena)is just the place where they burned trash back then " even if he used the word for "trash burning places" in his teaching,he was using it as an analogy.
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Read Job 1:6-12 this whole book is about the great controversy.
LOL 🤣😝😂
Huh??? 😂😂😂😢😢😢
That movement was founded by Ellen G. White and 1Tim 2:12 clearly states that woman are not to teach. I was a former follower of that movement and got out of there. They don't keep the High Sabbaths they don't drink coffee and alcohol and the Bible clearly states to not add or remove from it. I could go on and on about their false teachings....
…as I listen to you in this video, hearing you say that the belief that God burns people in hell for an eternity, is not really a factor in them avoiding relationship with God, is rather presumptuous, considering you don’t know, nor have you interviewed EVERY rejector of God. If you had, you’d find that, at least one person…me, was one that didn’t give himself totally to Him, because of my lack of trust in His just & loving character, due to my belief in eternal conscious torment.
Also, you’ve contradicted yourself in speaking about sin being a problem for everyone, yet you only mention “Christ & all of His benefits”, when referring to YOUR gospel, which you somehow see as distinct from the Law🤔🤷🏾♂️(…this just doesn’t make biblical sense, bruh! Salvation FROM WHAT? *ANYONE??? When the biblical answer is given, the Law of Liberty, can not be omitted. (( here’s a clue…Matthew 1:21 ~ ‘ And she shall bring forth a son, and thou shalt call his name JESUS: for he shall save His people FROM THEIR SINS. ‘ …you need to stop & repent! & you KEEP speaking about this made up “Great Controversy Paradigm”, while you have a channel promoting controversy against a particular church, with a particular set of biblical beliefs…while you live in a world where there’s such evil & slander against God & His thoughts & ways! No controversy??? A fool could 👀 & see a contrast battle between good & evil!!! And being that Christ said, that if we’re not with, we’re against Him, there’s conflict between Him & Satan…those that serve Him & those that server Him not. 🤦🏾…))
And your point is?
@@nonconformist4802 if you have to ask, maybe i don’t have one for you.
@@From_darkness2Life
Exactly, empty tins makes the most noise.
This channel does not promote controversy against any church- what you said is a lie. The SDA church has a false gospel and a false God. By orthodox Christian and reformed terms the SDA organization is not Christian. The reality is that false gods will lead to damnation. The Bible calls the Christians to test the prophets and to call out the wolves in sheep clothing and to proclaim the truth. You simply find it “controversial” because of the Great controversy world view convincing you that you are victims and will be persecuted.
@@Jessaba (…I’ll address you saying that my statement saying that this channel promotes controversy against the SDA church, is a lie, at the end of this reply…)
First though, you reply to a critic of Myles & this slanderous false & misleading channel, with the tenets OF the channel. Nothing you’ve said, has originated from your own mind, nor is it rooted in Scripture. You’ve not personally researched SDA beliefs on God or the gospel. Instead, you just repeat the words of someone that doesn’t know, or more satanic, does really know, yet, misrepresents it.🤦🏾
Maybe you can tell me what your understanding of what the gospel is to you; I’ll tell you what it is to me & we can find out which understanding is held up by the Word of God.🤔
So, just like who you follow, Myles, you didn’t say that i just have the wrong information…you tried to make me seem deceitful with what i said. That is rather a cowardly & lazy assertion, cuz in saying that, you may think that you don’t actually have to support what you say with actual information/Bible texts(…👈🏾the lazy…) or you just repeated what you’ve heard someone else say, without really studying where they got it from, so it’s kinda like doing a food commercial, for a food that you don’t know the ingredients for &/or has never even tasted. This channel, IS THE DEFINITION OF CONTROVERSY AGAINST A CHURCH. So, again, before you try to say something is false…ESPECIALLY biblical beliefs, PLEASE, @Jessaba, study them out from their source first.
con·tro·ver·sy (kŏn′trə-vûr′sē)
n. pl. con·tro·ver·sies
1. A dispute, especially a public one, between sides holding opposing views.
2. The act or practice of engaging in such disputes:
Jesus talked about eternal torment. Is John saying Jesus's words in the New Testament are Roman fabrications? How do SDAs wave away passages like Revelation 14:11 And the smoke of their torment ascends forever and ever; and they have no rest day or night, who worship the beast and his image, and whoever receives the mark of his name.”?
When Jesus returns in judgment, there's not going to be a river of blood as deep as a horses bridle? Or am I not understanding Revelation in light of EGW's prophetic wisdom? John, Jesus is returning as a LION not a lamb.
Psalm 37:20 KJV
But the wicked shall perish, and the enemies of the Lord shall be as the fat of lambs: they shall consume; into smoke shall they consume away.
@@elijahrodgers416Genesis 3 doesn’t prove SDA soul sleep. There are three types of death. Physical Death, Spiritual Death and Eternal Death. You can physically die yet live on spiritually as the Apostle teaches (2 Cor. 5:8; Php. 1:23) and you can be physically alive yet spiritually dead as Eph. 2:1 says all believers were before our baptism.
@@dontfeedthepiratesyou cannot reduce an immaterial soul to physical ashes. The death of the wicked is spiritual not physical
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Genesis 2:7 KJV
And the Lord God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.
*I’m pretty sure that mankind is a physical being that can die (dust and breath). One component cannot exist as a soul independent of the other.
James 2:26 KJV
For as the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without works is dead also.
Matthew 10:28 KJV
And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell.
Ezekiel 18:4 KJV
Behold, all souls are mine; as the soul of the father, so also the soul of the son is mine: the soul that sinneth, it shall die.
Malachi 4:1-3 KJV
For, behold, the day cometh, that shall burn as an oven; and all the proud, yea, and all that do wickedly, shall be stubble: and the day that cometh shall burn them up, saith the Lord of hosts, that it shall leave them neither root nor branch. [2] But unto you that fear my name shall the Sun of righteousness arise with healing in his wings; and ye shall go forth, and grow up as calves of the stall. [3] And ye shall tread down the wicked; for they shall be ashes under the soles of your feet in the day that I shall do this, saith the Lord of hosts.
Revelation 20:14-15 KJV
And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death. [15] And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.
*The death of the wicked is both physical and spiritual. The wicked are resurrected at the end of the millennium and are then destroyed in the lake of fire.
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None of your proof texts make the case of what you are pretty sure of. Are you assuming the smoke of people with the mark of the Beast rising forever is hyperbole, allegory, or metaphorical in the passage I quoted? I'm sorry you can't reconcile God's justice with God's mercy. I can't reconcile the idea that God would resurrect a person from non-existence to then just snuff them out of existence once again.
When you worship the creation rather than the Creator you give homage to Lucifer the devil.
Childish behaviour. Ni respect non Love. Just criticising. I don't no one religious belief which I'd perfect. At least the Adventists stick to the WORD the most. What are your belief ?
“Just criticizing”
We are literally listening to a “sermon” in this clip titled “Apostate Protestantism” where an Adventist pastor on satellite tv is slandering and bearing false witness against the Christian church and yet you criticize me for being critical.
My the irony. Look in the mirror.
@@answeringadventism yeah. What ever, Better Knower. Good luck finding the perfect church.
Look, I am in full agreagreement, but your teaching has become a rant. No SDA will sit it out, and your truthful words will be for nothing.
That's because Myles's words are not truth. He is simply ranting out of hatred, and is not interested in the the truth of God's word.
The channel is not for SDAs, but for SDAs who have come out & are trying to sort through the madness & for non-SDA Christians to know how to minister to them.
No you’re lying Myles I saw several videos and lives where you and others disput the sda beliefs about hell
No, Dane. You’re just contentious and listen to complain. I said that isn’t an area I focus on faulting the SDA church on because there are bigger issues at hand-namely a false god and gospel. Not that I don’t disagree with it or dispute it. Anyone with half a thinking brain understands this as I plainly said I uphold the classical Christian view of the afterlife.
But not at all surprising that out of 30 minutes this is all you focus on. Probabaly not even aware this is a clip from almost a year ago.
You're being vague
When we leave this World,we go into the Grave=Hell= Pit!! Until Jesus Christ appears out of the Orion! The Bible says: Luke 16:23+ Matthew 5:29+Psalm 6:5;9:17 and Numbers 16:30+33 the same as the Earth swallow...= Grave= Hell= Pit!!!
I don’t agree with much of what Lomucan expressed. But Miles your argument is so weak. Scholarship acknowledges that the best argument according to the principle of Occam’s razor is the simplest one. God is love or a torturer, God will destroy sin and sinners. A torture by definition is one who gets satisfaction through incurring extended pain and suffering. God is one or the other. He is certainly NOT mentally disturbed with bipolar disorder.
This wasn’t an argument for one view over another. This was plainly stated. Where was an argument presented? John Lomacang’s caricature of a particular position was addressed.
You also presented the same misrepresentation. No one claimed “God is a torturer.” It helps to listen.
Your entire comment is predicated upon the same falsities that John Lomacang holds. Eternal conscious torment has nothing to do with God being a torturer. And not all proponents of such belief even hold to the same model of what it means.
For example, the eastern church holds to it but they teach that the righteous and the wicked will be in the presence of God and the wicked, who won’t experience theosis, will be in torment because the glory of God will be so awful for a sinner.
This isn’t “God being a torturer.” You’ve been ill informed.
@@answeringadventism I think you are the one who is ill informed. Elk 28:18-19 spells out very clearly the fate of Satan and his followers and it is to be extinguished, to cease to exist, “be no more” NIV.
Your view is still eternal existence
wether in the “horrific presence” of God or hell. I understand that in order to satisfy the evangelical community’s view of the state of the dead you have to defend internal punishment. You have a massive down on the SDA church and for sure it has really serious problems with the IJ. and the role of EGW’s influence etc. However not everything is bad about the church you need to give credit where it’s due. You have some valid points to make but you also have some wobbly opinions.
Please stop using these so called church father's and stick to scripture. You should know that these people took Greek philosophy and mixed it with theosophical. A bad combination.
@@carsonlimbrick7987 it helps if you actually listen to why they are being cited. I literally went to great lengths to explain this BEFORE reading them and you still comment this silliness.
When someone makes the HISTORICAL claim that eternal hell is a product of the Middle Ages we will use HISTORICAL sources to refute it. Which is clearly explained.
Myles, are you conscious of the fact that your topic 'The truth about Hell vs Adventist misconceptions' was not addressed in your limited exegesis. You have built a strawman argument about the Adventists view on what the roman church did, which does not align with your thesis statement.
The mere fact that your argument is so vague tells us that you are not spending enough time for personal spiritual development. You lie too easily. Your ying/yang position does not give anything of value to your primary argument.
Adventist do not teach that the Catholic Church was the inventor of the imortality of the soul. The Catholic Church carried that idea from Paganism. Catholic doctrines are a merging of paganism and Christianity thus the negative impact on many who are not able to reconcile with the 'torturous' God who would burn a soul for ever.
Your double mouth position is clear evidence that your goal is to seek followers who are naturally opposed to SDA because of our strong stance agaisnt falsehood.
Eternal burning is not even logical and is way far from the truth. Your attack on John Lomacang is unfounded because you have no evidence that this erreneous teaching of eternal torment have not caused many to loose their lives.
Thus you cannot state that Mr Lomacang is wrong about it.
Your constant down playing of what the Catholic Church did in the dark ages is clear evidence that you are emotionally bankrupt thus your crude mission against the SDA.
In order to level the grounds of opposition, one must be careful to speak the truth only.