@@Frosee14 ummm...not particularly. You saw something that you decided (either correctly or incorrectly) was wrong and made a decision based on that. You then (like me) made a comment about how seeing the thing you viewed as incorrect influenced your decision to go the other direction. Nothing about that sounds particularly triumphalist.
@@Frosee14 You chose wisely [by God's Grace Alone!], because the Scriptures clearly command God's people to, "Come out of her, my people, lest you take part in her sins, lest you share in her plagues; 5 for her sins are heaped high as heaven, and God has remembered her iniquities. [Rev. 18:4-5, ESV].
As a faithful Catholic, who is the son of a faithful Baptist mother and a family member of a huge Southern Baptist family, I want to thank the pastors. and the staff of Livingston first Baptist for putting together such a great presentation. And I want to thank Jimmy and Mr. White for their thoughtful expositions of their views.
Dr. White helped me to get into serious Scripture reading after watching some of his debates in the late 1990s and early 2000s. Jimmy Akin and his Catholic Answers crew were instrumental in strengthening my Catholic faith. 🔴Any charitable person here? I need help to pay some rent and feed for the meantime until I get a new job. I have other issues but these are the most pressing at the moment. I don't mind shedding my anonymity if anyone is willing to help. Thanks and God bless.
The Bible is clear when it comes to Sola Scriptura the two verses below say it all. There's no need to debate this topic. 2 Timothy 3:16-17 "16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: 17 That the man of God may be perfect, thoroughly furnished unto all good works."
I can't believe this debate actually happened! I think Akin has been wanting to debate White on this subject for like 10 years. I didn't think White would ever agree to the debate. I'm glad he did.
Who cares what catholic church fathers believed? They are mouth pieces of the CC. Of course they are going to say its great. The millions of ruined childrens lives by dirty filthy cathoic costume holymen tell another story. Maybe the billions of statues the catholics get on their knees and pray to will save them on the great and terrible day of the Lord.
Right! I feel so blind not to have seen it before!! John 20:22-23! How many times I have read it, and not seen that it is a response to the 2 Timothy 3 "God-breathed the scriptures" argument against including Magisterium and Tradition!
And they in turn lay hands on their successors, and they become divinely ordained ministers of the New Covenant Hierarchical Priesthood in Christ Jesus, in order to carry on the Sanctifying and Salvific work of God in the world.
@@fredrosas2575No Jimmy doesn't. It's called confidence and manners. Usually, people who don't have manners are offended by them. A suspicious mind isn't the mind of Christ
Let God judge their hearts. None of you can know the secrets of the heart or why they sound the way they do. I can appear humble when I am as proud as a peacock. Let's us not be distracted from what they are presenting.
Jimmy Akins lost this debate handily. He had no answers and only assumptions he can’t prove. Akin is a talented debater, but he can’t defend a position that is indefensible. White won easily because the truth is it’s own defense
Lmao uh huh. Tell me, give me one verse, where the Bible teaches sola scriptura, since you think Akin lost badly. Show me one Church Father that taught sola scriptura. Go ahead and bring up Augustine, so i can show you how he definitely favored the Catholic Church.
@@davidliu7967 James White needs to appeal to scripture to prove that it is the sole infallible authority. This is logically absurd. And even if scripture was a single book and that book claimed to be the only source of authority then you ought to be very suspicious of it. Authority comes from God alone, not from text in a book. Scripture is authoritative because God said it is...orally!
@@wordforever117 Its a debate between catholicism and protestants it needs to be theologicly sound. Logic employed by us temperal beings is always falling short. Likewise is depending on traditions. Especially if you like Akin drag in others that do not hold to the same traditions at all. The idea of Sola scriptura is indeed under the Sola Christus is His God breathed word the Bible.
@@Eskon2 It is logically absurd!! Ok example... Jesus said "blessed are the poor in spirit, for they shall see God" That is the Word of God. Question: Was it the Word of God when Mathew wrote it down? Or was it the Word of God when Jesus actually said it?
Why lie Leo? If you are so sure about your Catholic faith, just keep it real. I'm not saying I agree with White or not, but I don't feel the need to lie about what I was believing prior to the debate.
Catholics equate Mary and the Saints to God. They say and/or imply that they are omnipresent, which is an attribute that only God has. Please don't fall for it, they have false gods and a very false doctrine.
Billy, we welcome you with open arms, and pray that one day, we "may all be one as" Jesus and the Father are one (John 17). I pray that the Lord use you to draw many others like you back into the one and only Church that Jesus Christ himself founded. I think we are witnessing a tidal wave of conversions brought about by the Internet. It is no longer possible to claim that the Catholic Church teaches something when one can easily research to discover what the teaching actually says and means. That is why White's scare tactics just feel so dated and tired. What may have worked in the 80s simply doesn't pass muster today. Anyway, praise be to God. God's grace saves us as individuals and it protects and guides Jesus's Bride through the power of the Holy Spirit. Come, Lord Jesus!
I learned everything i knew about the Catholic church from James White. Finding out none of that was true, was one of the primary reasons i became catholic.
@@cba4389 Nah we serve god alone sir. Dont make the same mistake i did and believe what Rome’s enemies say without listening to Rome herself. There’s a reason both parties get an equal chance to state their case in any fair legal dispute. How much more important is understanding the nature of god and what he wants from us? I hate to assume someone is being hasty…. Have you actually listened to catholic apologists or just the anti catholic protestants?
@@timboslice980 for myself I listen to both sides in moderated debates from many different positions. I watch for several things, among the top are how the text of scripture is quoted, in context or not, and consistency in doctrine. I haven't seen consistency among Roman Catholic debaters although they claim to know what scripture says better than others do.
@@ChristisLord2023 Ive found the exact opposite. In fact, i think if you type in any catholic youtube channel and “worship mary” “Eucharist” “sola scriptura” “purgatory” literally every single youtuber will use the same bible quotes. We constantly get criticized for using the same “catholic talking points”. Also i def agree we have a much deeper and more comprehensible understanding of scripture than Protestants. I’ll give you an easy example…. Explain how romans 2 and 3 are both true. In Romans 2 we read 7 to those who by patiently doing good seek for glory and honor and immortality, he will give eternal life, 8 while for those who are self-seeking and who obey not the truth but injustice, there will be wrath and fury.” In romans 3 it says: “For no human will be justified before him by deeds prescribed by the law, for through the law comes the knowledge of sin.” And “. excluded. Through what kind of law? That of works? No, rather through the law of faith. 28 For we hold that a person is justified by faith apart from works prescribed by the law. Catholic theology easily harmonizes all 3 of these passages and indeed all of romans 2. From what ive heard from Protestants, they use romans 3 to refute romans 2. Curious as to how you see it. Ive honestly never heard a logical Protestant response. Usually its “ romans 2 is for unbelievers, its for those who perfectly hold to the law, or paul is presenting a devil’s advocate argument in 2 and answered it with 3, or just that romans 3 over rides romans 2.” What’s odd to me is of all the countless Protestant denoms, why have none of you thought maybe works of the law and good works are different categories of works? Paul talks about works of the flesh, works of darkness, works of the spirit, good works, and works of the law. None of these are the same thing and paul never thinks that hes going to have to break down these categories for future christians who will confuse good works and works of the law as the same thing? In matthew 25… christ says: “for I was hungry and you gave me no food, I was thirsty and you gave me nothing to drink, 43 I was a stranger and you did not welcome me, naked and you did not give me clothing, sick and in prison and you did not visit me”. These are all good works. Not one of them is a work of the law… imagine christ saying “i gave you anson and you didnt circumcise him, i gave you food and you failed to wash your hands, depart from me” Adding works of the law into that passage doesnt just feel alien…. Imagine christ added “i was lost and you didnt look for me. It wouldnt surprise me at all. Its a good work. Please tell me you understand.
Same here I honestly thank James White for all he's done for helping me learn and through his debates with Catholics i saw how I had to come back home.
Thank God for our former episcopal minister who revealed she didn’t really believe the Bible was true and from the top down the episcopal church leadership condones, promotes, and even celebrates sins, such as; adultery via divorce/remarriage, murder via abortion/a woman’s right to choose, and homosexuality with many of the episcopal ministry in same sex relationships.
Jimmy Akin helped me come back to the Catholic Church ⛪️ He also helped me learn,understand and defend the catholic faith in a charitable respectful manner 🙏✝️🇻🇦
It's too many debates, though. Protestantism shouldn't be given the dignity to be compared to Catholicism. I am very concerned about this Catholic debate culture. I feel it is rooted in ego and isn't focused on growing in a life of holiness and asceticism. It is too much intellectualism.
@@jimsmith8359err is nothing wrong with using our intellect. God gave it to us to use and if we neglect to debate and make good argumentation then who do you think is going to be the loudest voice reaching unbelievers? Do you want the Gospel to be spread or not?
@@scroogemcduckismyspiritanimal I don't think enough thought is given to the context of these debates from a Catholic perspective. Again, protestantism can't be dignified by being compared with Catholicism as though the two are equal, and unfortunately, that is what the context of this debate does. Not enough thought is given to those who become calcified in their belief that protestantism is equivalent to Catholicism based on this debate, or worst yet, is superior. Further, what about the Catholics who could be deceived by the protestant debater or by some fault of the Catholic debater?
@@scroogemcduckismyspiritanimal again, this is too much. It is an insult to compare protestantism to Catholicism, and it is done too much on a very public stage. You can not compare protestantism to the One Holy, Catholic, and Apostolic Faith.
Thank you for hosting this debate! I think it is beneficial for all people. I'm a Catholic and unofficial student of Jimmy Akin!!! But thank you for hosting, God bless 🙌 🙏
Dear@@DouglasMcCall, as a Catholic literally takes the risen Body of Jesus into the heart and soul ("becoming like the One consumed" as the ancients used to say), yes, we can know that Christ is within us. Even if we do not feel Him there. Even if we feel the desolation Christ Himself felt as He asked "My God, My God, why have You forsaken Me?"
Well, I am not saying that James is wrong at 43:26, But St Augustine did believe in the Seat of Peter. Here is one of many examples.:“For if the lineal succession of bishops is to be taken into account, with how much more certainty and benefit to the Church do we reckon back till we reach Peter himself, to whom, as bearing in a figure the whole Church, the Lord said: ‘Upon this rock will I build my Church, and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it !’ The successor of Peter was Linus, and his successors in unbroken continuity were these: - Clement, Anacletus, Evaristus, Alexander, Sixtus, Telesphorus, Iginus, Anicetus, Pius, Soter, Eleutherius, Victor, Zephirinus, Calixtus, Urbanus, Pontianus, Antherus, Fabianus, Cornelius, Lucius, Stephanus, Xystus, Dionysius, Felix, Eutychianus, Gaius, Marcellinus, Marcellus, Eusebius, Miltiades, Sylvester, Marcus, Julius, Liberius, Damasus, and Siricius, whose successor is the present Bishop Anastasius. In this order of succession no Donatist bishop is found. But, reversing the natural course of things, the Donatists sent to Rome from Africa an ordained bishop, who, putting himself at the head of a few Africans in the great metropolis, gave some notoriety to the name of ‘mountain men,’ or Cutzupits, by which they were known.” To Generosus, Epistle 53:2(A.D. 400), in NPNF1,I:298
Here’s another where he mentions the Seat of Peter: “For in the Catholic Church, not to speak of the purest wisdom, to the knowledge of which a few spiritual men attain in this life, so as to know it, in the scantiest measure, indeed, because they are but men, still without any uncertainty (since the rest of the multitude derive their entire security not from acuteness of intellect, but from simplicity of faith,)- not to speak of this wisdom, which you do not believe to be in the Catholic Church, there are many other things which most justly keep me in her bosom. The consent of peoples and nations keeps me in the Church; so does her authority, inaugurated by miracles, nourished by hope, enlarged by love, established by age. The succession of priests keeps me, beginning from the very seat of the Apostle Peter, to whom the Lord, after His resurrection, gave it in charge to feed His sheep, down to the present episcopate. And so, lastly, does the name itself of Catholic, which, not without reason, amid so many heresies, the Church has thus retained; so that, though all heretics wish to be called Catholics, yet when a stranger asks where the Catholic Church meets, no heretic will venture to point to his own chapel or house. Such then in number and importance are the precious ties belonging to the Christian name which keep a believer in the Catholic Church, as it is right they should, though from the slowness of our understanding, or the small attainment of our life, the truth may not yet fully disclose itself. But with you, where there is none of these things to attract or keep me, the promise of truth is the only thing that comes into play. Now if the truth is so clearly proved as to leave no possibility of doubt, it must be set before all the things that keep me in the Catholic Church; but if there is only a promise without any fulfillment, no one shall move me from the faith which binds my mind with ties so many and so strong to the Christian religion.”
James lied multiple times in this debate. He cannot be trusted, you've just shown an example of him falsely claiming something that St. Augustine believed when he didn't. Another example is when the he brings up the example of Pope Honorius claiming that because he was excommunicated no one believed in Papal infallibility even though that same exact council AFFIRMS papal infallibility with Pope Agatho's letter which was read allowed and accepted completely by all present at the 6th ecumenical council. There are just two examples of him baring false witness or at the very least excluding context to work for his agenda. Anyone who knows about history knows that James told multiple lies. John 8:44 seems to me what James is following. Not the truth.
@@SevereFamine Just because Augustine believed that (I concede I don't know one way or another) doesn't mean the belief was shared amongst the Apostles or the early church. Without a solid scriptural basis (God's word) it's irrelevant to the body's well-being what Augustine believed if his beliefs were in error and detached from God's instruction, the Word.
Really beautiful that Jimmy standed and took his hat off for the prayer at the end. It shows that Catholics give great respect to prayers said in the name of Our Lord Jesus Christ!
As a Protestant, very disappointed in James. His case was 90% “nuh uh” and “but Catholics say Mary was assumed into heaven” which was irrelevant. The question was not about papal infallibility, or Catholic doctrines. It was about sola scriptura.
@@TruthHasSpoken I notice it more and more. He’s incredibly intelligent. But scripture says “knowledge puffs up” Intelligent, but too prideful in his intelligence.
@@joshuafeezor1304 You may not know, that after listening to her brother debate, Patti Bonds converted to Catholicism. ua-cam.com/video/6KHgLzu_nbw/v-deo.htmlsi=L5YV7UB4HTwV0aFN
All apostolic churches believe that Mary, after her dormition Christ did take her body with him. Catholics (western and eastern) Eastern Orthodox Oriental orthodox Syrian church of the east hold this. It’s only the Protestants that don’t
What incredible objectivity for a Protestant church to host a debate and tell the faithful to come to their own conclusions. True faith should not fear controversy. Amazing
The catholic church says men have to pay for their own sins in some fire somewhere. The bible says Jesus paid for all sins. The catholic curch denies that. Its just lucky that you r loved ones can purchase you out of this pergatory. The CC has made untold billions from this scam, the fulness of truth.
I've got a serious question that, as far as I know, never gets brought up in these debates. How could Christians conceive scripture alone as completely sufficient when for the vast majority of Christian history the average man could not read or get access the the number of copies of the Bible we have today? if the Bible was indented to be taken alone, traditions rejected and the church had no authority to teach the Bible then how could anyone except a very few educated people ever come to learn it?
@@fortknox4740 And that is what in fact happened...by Catholic Priests...I guess my point is that the common man needed to be able to trust what was being read and who was reading it.
The more James White debates, the more Catholic conversions he will help foster among the increasing number of protestants who are open to considering the Catholic Faith. I watched all of White’s debates with Catholics in order to help me avoid converting. They did the opposite-and the reasons why are abundantly obvious in this debate as well.
You are completely deluded, and on Judgment Day, you will discover that all those things OUTSIDE of Scripture you supposed were so necessary for salvation, WERE NOT. The result? A passport to hell.
It's concerning that James White didn't seem to want to stick to the topic. He brought up Marian dogmas, purgatory, papal infallibility, the Synod on Synodality, Fiducia Supplicans and implied in his closings that Jimmy Akin should have defended these things when none of these things were the topic of the debate. Akin by contrast stuck on point and focused on the New Testament and the immediate apostolic age
Exactly what I noticed as well: James White spent the majority of his time attacking Catholic dogma (with some ad hominems sprinkled in) without actually defending the doctrine Sola Scriptura, and he didn't even have the honesty to admit that he was assuming to be true what he had to prove, indeed he constantly begged the question.
You're correct. That's part of why Akin won on the merits. BUT, _Sola Scriptura_ isn't really winnable on the merits unless the opponent is an inferior debater, because it's an intrinsically self-contradictory and anti-historical Epistemic System. Given this, James White has gradually evolved a tactic which serves him well: 1. Pretend that hot-takes by the New York Times or various other leftists represent an accurate depiction of Pope Francis's papacy, and remind the audience of those caricatures, however inaccurate; 2. Bring up unfamiliar or oft-derided dogmas that the audience doesn't understand, to create a negative reaction in the audience for emotional-association reasons. That way, when your opponent wins on the _logic of the thing_ (as he will typically do, with _Sola Scriptura,_ given its deficiencies) you can still be sure that an awful lot of _the audience_ wasn't persuaded by the arguments, because they were already tuned out for emotional reasons. It's not good arguing, but it's a good ploy.
From what I heard Mr. White was bringing it up largely because Jimmy Akin was arguing for apostolic tradition thus White was responding with the point that these are not apostolic tradition but later developed doctrines. Catholics usually admit much of this. No Catholic to my knowledge has ever argued that Marian dogmas are apostolic tradition (instead they appeal to the theory of doctrinal development of Cardinal Newman and authority).
@Adam-ue2ig that's his logic yes, but it would've been inappropriate for this debate to turn into a Marian dogma debate when that wasn't the topic. If James White wanted to debate the Marian dogma, he should have debated that instead. There are still apostolic traditions not found in the Bible which protestants recognize, Jimmy identified 4 and James White only interacted with that argument when forced to during cross examination.
This was not just a game changer but a game ender! As soon as James White admitted that the doctrine of sola scriptura is not scriptural it was all over. That was a very clever move by Jimmy Akin.
He stepped on a similar landmine in his debate with Trent Horn when he stated there was no agreement on the biblical canon prior to the reformation. Nuked his entire argument.
@@ZachFish- "All doctrine is based on the revelation of Gods word." Open your bible to the table of contents. The list of books is a doctrine that you hold. It's NOT found in scripture.
@@ZachFish-yes Sacred Scripture is but one vehicle of Divine revelation; God’s Word. The other vehicle of Divine revelation is Sacred Tradition, which communicates God’s Word brother before God’s Word was written down and alongside what is written down. And the Magisterium, which is seen through the authority Christ gave Peter, his apostles, and was handed down to their successors, represents the authority to teach and authentically and accurately interpret God’s words, guided by the Holy Spirit; “He who hears you, hears me. He who rejects you, rejects me and He who rejects me, rejects Him who sent Me.” Luke 10:16
James Whites debate against Patrick Madrid on sola scriptura actually led me to come out of Protestantism. I’m currently looking into information on Orthodoxy and Catholicism so pray God guides me through this time.
That was powerful in the cross examination segment. Mr. White repeatedly asked questions to Mr. Akin, and Mr. Akin repeatedly rebuked him, the 4th time around Mr. Akin looked to crowd knowingly and then repeated that we were talking about a supposed thing in the future not something that has happened. Mr. Akin, you did an excellent job presenting your beliefs.
Jimmy couldn’t refute it, he deflected by accusing James of using a debate tactic and claiming he didn’t have time. This suggests White was not lying with the history.
Former “nondenominational Christian” here from Calvary Chapel in Southern California, Jimmy Akin, Tim Staples, Dr. Taylor Marshall and The Terry and Jesse Show on Virgin Most Powerful Internet Radio app helped me become a full Christian, a Catholic Christian ❤
I use to listen to TM but then I realized that he makes a living spreading gossip and heresay, so I unsubscribed. I started noticing that he would always say, “an anonymous insider at the Vatican told me X,Y, Z..” That was a red flag for me.
@@josephgoemans6948Dr Taylor Marshall is 99% spot on and he is on the same page as Terry and Jesse Romero from Virgin Most Powerful. Plus he is a fellow Protestant convert
James White loves Christ and is trying to do what he believes is right and trying to teach others what he thinks is true. These are all commendable qualities and admirable traits. I tried to defend this position while a Protestant myself who had left the Catholicism of my youth at 18 and started in seminary to become a Protestant minister. The studies of Theology and the Bible and Church history led to a crisis of faith for me on various Protestant positions and doctrines. Contradictions between Bible passages when each had to be reconciled with the Protestant understanding of the gospel, but BOTH or MANY passages couldn’t be reconciled. At the time, I didn’t know there was another option. My understanding of Catholicism wasn’t very sophisticated as a child, of course, but I had personal reasons for never wanting to give Catholicism a chance again, and I had come to the usual Protestant conclusions about idolatry and works and Mary, etc. Some rather dark years followed and it was cancer that led me back to God, and it was John Henry Newman and then Chesterton who answered my dilemmas in their turning to Rome. Newman’s Apologia and then Chesterton’s Orthodoxy and The Thing: Why I am a Catholic solidified my intellectual assent to Catholicism as the One, True, Holy, and Apostolic Faith. Even so, I prayed for a sign for confirmation and received immediately a miraculous sign that I was to return to the Catholic Church of my youth. Further study of much of what Jimmy Akin presents here confirmed that Sola Scriptura was indefensible, and I do not know if James White will be able to see or admit this himself. It is so very difficult when you have publicly stated and defended certain positions for years, and have had others follow and learn from you, to drop all of this social pressure and desire not to see that you may have been wrong, and to admit that something you have fought against for so long is actually the truth. I hated admitting this. I fought it for years. I didn’t like telling others I had been mistaken. Pride was in my way. James White has his livelihood to think of as well, which adds another layer to the difficulties he would face IF he came to change his mind. It would take an incredibly admirable amount of humility, courage, and integrity for Mr. White to become Catholic if he ever did come to a conviction that it was/is the Church Christ founded. He may never come to this, but he obviously loves Christ and wants to follow His savior. I hope that White goes on a retreat of some kind, and inwardly wrestles with all of these things. May God lovingly come to him and lead him to that place where all the concerns of this world and opinions of others melt away, so he can hear and respond to God with no concern for the social, economic, or sectarian tensions, but follows his heart for Christ. And all the comments on here that appear to judge James, please stop. See him as God sees him - as a man with a heart for Christ pursuing truth, and wanting him to come to the fullness of what God desires for him. My brother in Christ, our prayers are with and for you. God bless James White. And may we all have hearts on fire for Christ as much as White.
Jamessgian, Sirs, what must I do to be saved, the jailer asked in Acts 16:30. They ans and said, BELIEVE ON THE LORD JESUS CHRIST AND YOU WILL BE SAVED. Have you been born again James through faith in JESUS CHRIST, and not false religion?
If I learnt something, it was to talk politely with calmness and maintaining composure. Thank you so much Jimmy. It was a delight to listen to you. I learned a lot. Such debates are a great opportunity to learn so much about the true faith.
Did we watch the same debate? White literally claims that he wasn't "overloading" even though right after claiming that he says "purgatory, Marian dogmas, papal infallibility" when this debate is not about any of those. James was very dishonest as well, especially when he claimed that no one believed in papal infallibility because of Pope Honorius without including the context that the same exact council taught that all previous Popes (including Honorius) never taught heresy and cannot based on the promise of Christ which was completely affirmed by all attending. Please read the 6th ecumenical council and Pope Agatho's letter which was presented at the council and read allowed to all present and affirmed by all present. James simply lied.
White didn’t even go into the topic of the debate. His entire argument was a red herring because instead of trying to disprove the necessity of an infallible tradition he instead goes to attack Catholic tradition.
Oh my, it thought it would be bad but now I've watched this James White was absolutely destroyed. I started to feel embarrassed for him, especially in the cross examination.
I think Dr. White has forgotten about the Orthodox. Scary Rome argument doesn’t really work against the fact that there are other Apostolic Traditions. He needs to realise no one taught sola scripture for 1500 years and it isn’t just Rome he is debating.
As a catholic living in a community that has several orthodox communities, I deeply appreciate your perspective, it’s always bothered me that so many of the “anti-catholic” positions are also anti-orthodox, but that never gets brought up and contended with.
BULL, to the claim that NO ONE for 1500 years looked to the Scriptures as the final authority! That only shows how truly biblically and historically ignorant you really are. Pathetic!
Lol that's a very uninformed comment. Rome and Constantinople both claim to be the only true Apostolic church, and their traditions are different. Either only one of them is right, or James is right
Wow the Catholics are out in force for this one. They are a mission field. They Need our prayers. Thanks for your ministry Dr. White. Surely you are reaching some of them.
Dear@@Plaza_and_Mote, I have often told God in prayer that I do not understand Him. He is beyond the capacity of the human mind to comprehend. Truth is like that. Beyond us. James White does not understand the heights and depths of Catholic teaching. The Holy Spirit is revealing more of it every day. God Alone is our Guide and Advocate.
Dear@@gleeberger8966 , some of the names people give themselves are deeply ironic. As I am tone-deaf to irony or sarcasm (I used to be good at it, but I lost my taste for the game, so now...) I am a perfect straightman.
James White: I can't support or demonstrate the topic of the debate "Sola Scriptura", so let's talk about Pope Francis, Mary's assumption and Trent Horn.
James White tries to bait his opponents . His arguments are all over the place. Almost all of his arguments are sensational attacks on subjects that have nothing to do with sola Scriptura .
Truth. He does well in some areas to defend his sixteenth century beliefs, in others the vein in his head looks like it's going to explode any time he isn't getting the rise he's looking for
So is James’s argument that because Mary’s assumption is false sola scriptoria is true. Sounds like he’s tired of debating sola scriptoria and wants to debate Catholic marian beliefs. LOL
James' error is much worse than that: He's arguing that a Marian dogma is unbiblical, therefore you should believe in the Bible alone! It's assuming his own conclusion. He would have to prove without the Bible that the Marian dogmas were wrong to illustrate the proof by contradiction he is trying to use, but he would only undercut his own position by doing so. James is, unfortunately, not skilled at Aristotelian logic, which is weird for a guy who could read Aristotle in the original language.
I am a former Reformed Presbyterian. I have watched all of White's debates. I used to cheer him on for simply being on "my side". Now that I am Roman Catholic and not blinded by prejudice, I see right through his cheap tactics. Somehow White's hatred of Mary and her dogmas always gets brought up no matter the topic. He was completely outclassed here in this debate. Jimmy Akin did an excellent job answering questions posed by James White, and Jimmy had James White stuttering multiple times while he was cross-examining him. It was great.
" I am former Reformed Presbyterian", people like to say things like that as if It means anything, but the truth is that in any given denomination 90% of Christians don't know almost anything about their traditional believes and how to defend them, including in Cathocism. And it says a lot to me when a former Presbyterian says that he used to get his apolegetics from Baptists, which is a whole different tradition (even if it is a 1689 Baptist) lol. White does not follow Presbyterian's Confession of Faith and Cathecism. It is like a Catholic saying that he used to learn from an Eastern Orthodox about his faith.
You may have changed denominations, but the “blinded by prejudice” stayed the same lol Everyone things their guy does good, just like u did when Protestant
I converted from generic protestant churches to the one holy and apostolic Catholic Church several years ago. James White just confirmed I made the right choice.
You guys are all copy pasting the same comment that James white made you catholic. Is that a tacit admission that the other guy did poorly and was himself not convincing enough?
I don't know why I even listened to these two characters but I had a long drive. Honestly I don't know the catholic guy but White I've heard and don't agree with his theology but he did fine in defense for Christianity. Catholic beliefs about the sacraments, the roles of the Bible and tradition, the importance of the Virgin Mary and the saints, and the papacy are contrary to what I know to be Christianity. I find way too much idolatry going on & justified. If you visit the vatican will you see any scripture on the walls? No, just statues and paintings and many are quite evil. Does this explain why the catholic church does not really support the Word? History showed us they didn't want us to have it & after the reformation they tried to smooth that one out. Mary, the rosary, the eucharist and the complete love for the church baffles me. The other stuff is not scriptural but man made the dedication to the church is more idolatry. The Church is the body of Christ not a building or particular denomination. We have always had false churches as we still do today. I have left a certain denomination after the Lord matured me in His knowledge of the Word. If I was a catholic & realized it was wrong where would I go? They claim it's the only church, I'd have to submit & justify it's wrongs. What I have is God the only Father through Jesus Christ who sits hand of the Father and has sent me his Holy Spirit. I have Christ in me & I in him because of that. The precious blood of Jesus Christ on that mercy seat is the blood of the final sacrafice. I can enter into the throne room of God now & make my petitions known, I don't need a church to do that, I don't need a man of flesh to do that for me, I won't give that to a priest, Jesus Christ was the last & final priest, God's Word is now written down by the power of God, He & He alone has made that happen. We are destroyed for a lack of knowledge so "I" will stay in His Word & constantly study it as lead by the Holy Spirit. I will also hear the Word of God by a pastor & preacher that I believe we're called. No traditions to follow except what is written and when something is said & done outside what is written it is time to Protest & leave. Unlike you I don't make choices on a single man especially when I have the Word, the Lord & husband Spirit. Especially could I not run to the catholic church that has not only bad history but doctrines of men & some I believe are doctrines of demons. I realize their is the human characteristic of those who prefer to be led, those who rather submit to man rather than God. In order to do that we need to have the ability to want to think for ourselves with the Holy Spirit. The man made doctrine of the justification of Mary should alert you. They claim Mary is not their mediator but they always go to Mary first especially the women. The way y'all adorn the statue, that doesn't tell you something? And what does that do to Christ, leaving him back there for later? The weak minded will always flow to something of the flesh or evil that will do all the work & thinking for them
White: "Blessings of irregular relationships" Akin: "This does not involve giving a blessing to a union" White: "I know that" Everyone watching: "Why did you just lie to us Mr White?"
You are deluded. Catholicism is indeed, counterfeit Christianity, beginning with the fact all Catholics are taught to trust in their good works to get to heaven, per your filthy catechism stating that in #1821.
Oh stop it. The only reason is that you can't stand to abide by God's word alone is because you believe all those things OUTSIDE of the Text are necessary for salvation, like papal subordination, etc. THEY ARE NOT, and therefore, you are 100% lost.
@@spartakos3178 - Not at all. White was turning red more than once. I've watched tons of his work. You know when he is miffed and he was miffed a lot in this. Akin was calm and collected. He had not only scripture but also White's books in his presentation. Akin got this one.
@@scotthix2926 That's not how Church define the Doctrine. The Doctrine is defined by carefully looking at Holy Tradition & Holy Scripture bcz not everything is written in Holy Scripture bcz our Church Fathers is the one who compiled the Holy Scripture. ★ The New Testament canon was not determined until the late 300s, books the Church deemed sacred were early on proclaimed at Mass, and read and preached about otherwise. Early Christian writings outnumbered the 30+ books that would become the canon of the New Testament. The shepherds of the Church[Church Fathers], by a process of spiritual discernment and investigation into the liturgical traditions of the Church spread throughout the world, had to draw clear lines of distinction between books that are truly inspired by God and originated in the apostolic period, and those which only claimed to have these qualities. Apostles didn't gave the Bible the Church did. ★The process culminated in 382 as the Council of Rome, which was convened under the leadership of Pope Damasus, promulgated the 73-book scriptural canon. The biblical canon was reaffirmed by the regional councils of Hippo (393) and Carthage (397), and then definitively reaffirmed by the ecumenical Council of Florence in 1442. ★The Old Testament books were written well before Jesus’ Incarnation and all of the New Testament books were written by roughly the end of the first century A.D.But the Bible as a whole was not officially compiled until the late fourth century, illustrating that it was the Catholic Church who determined the canon-or list of books-of the Bible under the guidance of the Holy Spirit. Indeed, the Bible is not a self-canonizing collection of books, as there is no table of contents included in any of the books.
Crazy how James White keeps appealing to his debate numbers as if they mean he won or something. It is a sophist technique and suggests an insecurity in his position. So is overloading, which he absolutely did. The point of the debate is to talk about the topic not add new topics that the other person has no time to address. It poisons the well. James White's debates are well known because it has helped so many come back to the Apostolic Faith.
This debate filled me with true, profound sadness realizing how many lies are believed by the Protestants about Christianity, as it has been lived and passed down by the one and only Catholic Church for two thousand years. I pray and hope for the reunification of Christians all over the world, that those fallen away may return home. God love you ❤
My happiness and confidence that I belonged to the only one true Holy Catholic Church, the Church started by our Almighty Lord Jesus Christ and entrusted to St. Peter. Holy Mother Mary and all the Angels and Saints pray for us sinners.
❤ AMEN 😍 had that self proclaimed "pastor" going to here and there! Bouncing all over the place because he couldn't defend the topic that he brought up to Jimmy Akin 😂.
Weak arguments by James... Bringing Mother of our Lord Jesus in Debate just to prove his point not even the topic... James exposed the whole protestantism position.
@@IoannesVI The mere fact the RCC demands that papal subordination is necessary for salvation, proves you are 100% headed for hell, so ANY reference to the Pope to make ANY argument, is perfectly legitimate.
The context of him bringing Mary and those doctrines up was Mr. Akins appeal to apostolic tradition so that presents fair game for Mr. White to argue that those doctrines are later developments not part of the apostolic teaching/tradition.
Well it helps to get the other anti-Catholics all fired up, like the host church. Did you notice that the moderator put in a plug for sharing the Baptist faith with the Catholics? Pretty cheeky.
I do too. It's because a different gospel is presented by the catholic church. If you studied your Bible, you would see this. The church sacrifices Jesus in mass weekly. This is abhorrent and blasphemous. Jesus died once for all and His righteousness placed upon us to present us holy before God. This is clearly written in Romans and seen throughout the Bible. The catholic church do not believe this. "Blessed is the man whose sins are forgiven; whose transgressions the Lord will never count against him."(Romans 4:7, 8). "we have been made holy through the sacrifice of Jesus body once for all. Day after day the priest offers the same sacrifices that can never take away sins." Hebrews 10:10- 14
@@vaekkriinhart4347 First, you should not hate another Christian brother/sister. We should pray for others. A different Gospel is not presented by the Church. Please read John 6, Jesus does not describe his body as a symbol to be offered up. We practice the Mass today the same way that the earliest Christians did. The offering of the Eucharist is the new passover and new covenant which is shown in The Last Supper as well. The Old Testament directly correlates to the New Testament.
I...wouldn't overstate that. I think he usually comes across _pretty close_ to what we saw here: Like a somewhat-irritable Muppet, with all the fur boiled off (except for that on the chin). For myself, I just wish he would stop reminiscing about his glory days debating Gerry Matatics in the 90's: ua-cam.com/video/lpp4i0aa40A/v-deo.html Poor guy seems like his life peaked, and it's been all downhill since then.
James White is arrogant and has a long way to go. I am not Roman Catholic. I am not a Protestant either. Jimmy Aken has my respect he always has. He is a very smart man who seems to love the truth as far as I can tell. Glory to God for all things! ✝️☦️✝️
@@dualtags4486many Catholics would deny Romans 4 on the blessed man. I don't know who can honestly state that they'll be saved thru the 5 Solas. Tradition plays such an enormous role in a Catholic's life that it will ignore what is in writing to follow what the church says. IMO it's quite similar to the LDS religion.
... Sola Scriptura MEANS the sole INFALLIBLE rule of faith and practice... It's literally in the definition of the term. He even states it in his opening statement.
You're conflating the two perspectives he said in his opening statement. Sola scriptura is the sole infallible rule of faith for the church. Sola scriptura is also the default position of scripture itself. Thats not an equivocation.
He’s deceptive. He dodged the biggest problems with rejecting Sola Scriptura. You end up with wild doctrines like purgatory, praying to saints, worshipping Mary, believing bread is God and worshipping it, indulgences…should I go on?
I don't think James really engaged or refuted Jimmy's very straightforward argument. James agrees sola scriptura is a doctrine, and thus needs to be in scripture. But then also agrees that sola scriptura wasn't the paradigm until at least the second century which means it could not have been possible for it to have been taught in the New Testament. This seems to be a simply logical defeater of James' thesis, I don't see any alternatives out of it.
And not even in the second century, the bible was not finished until the five century (councils) so what happened in those 400 years? nobody entered heaven? lol no, not even the thief at the cross "needed it"
@@dezlovecraft5247to be fair St. Dismas was granted paradise, not heaven that day. Christ wouldn't open the gates of heaven as seen in Daniel 7 until the Ascension 43 days later.
The premisse were clear. You cannot gave doctrine that opposes to bible. And Pastor White used as examples those false doctrines such purgatory and mariology cannot be accepted. Also, he said over and over "Jesus used the Scriptures as secure and supreme fount of knowledge of God's will".
Can a Protestant explain the Words of Christ to His Apostles (the first Bishops) - "What you bind on Earth shall be bound in Heaven. What you loose on Earth shall be loosed in Heaven." (Matthew 18:18) Is not Christ giving the first ordained Bishops and Pope authority to rule His Church on Earth? If each person is to interpret Scripture themselves, what sort of confusion does that create?
The fork tongued has been James White is resoundingly smashed once again. "HE HAS SLIDES! IT'S LIKE HE KNOWS WHAT IM GOING TO SAY AFTER ALL THESE YEARS! 😭"
@@thenazarenecatholic Jimmy Akin explained that he had prepared a lot of slides but did not use all of them. He tailored his presentation and rebuttals to what James White said. Considering James can't let go of debates that he did in 90s I'd say it's pretty obvious he is stuck in the past and his arguments have stayed consistent for 30 years. Yay for James White being consistent.
Yep! James White is quite patronizing… and he just seems angry with his wanna-be “gotcha” questions. Meanwhile, Jimmy Akin is calm, kind and respectful. There’s a massive difference of behavior and attitude between these 2 men. That alone is evidence of which Church brings one closer to God’s graces.
Sola Scriptura is a tradition of men. Was never explicitly taught before Luther. If it were so important, one of the early Church fathers would have brought it up!
You get the dunce cap of the year award. Those in antiquity certainly DID believe the supremacy of Scripture over all else. Here's a bunch which should shut you up. Care for 25 more? No, I didn't think so. Augustine: "Now who is it that submits to divine Scripture, save he who reads it piously, deferring to it as of SUPREME authority... " (Our Lord's Sermon on the Mount, Book I, ch XI). "For I confess to your charity that I have learned to yield this respect and honor to the canonical books of Scripture; of these ALONE do I most firmly believe the authors were completely free from error" (NPNF1, Vol 1, Letters of St. Augustine, Letter 82, ch 1.3 "Better far that I should read with certainty and persuasion of its truth the Holy Scipture, placed on the highest (even the heavenly) pinnacle of authority... " (ibid. ch 2.5) "But we wished to show that the Scriptures of our religion, whose authority we prefer to all writings whatsoever..." (NPNF1, vol II, The City of God, Book XIV, ch 7). "This shows that the established authority of Scripture must outweigh every other" (NPNF1, vol I, Reply to Faustus the Manichaean, Book XIII.5). "But who can fail to be aware that the sacred canon of Scripture... stands so absolutlely in a superior position to all later letters of the bishops...but that all the letters of bishops which have been written, or are being written since the closing of the canon, are liable to be refuted if there be anything contained in them which strays from the truth." (NPNF1, vol IV, On Baptism, Against the Donatists, Book II, ch 3). "Owning unhestitating assent to nothing but the canonical Scriptures" (NPNF1, vol V, On Nature & Grace, ch 71).
CYRIL OF ALEXANDRIA: "Sufficient, sufficient for this are the Scriptures of the holy Fathers, which if anyone will diligently study, he would immediately have his mind filled with divine light." ("The Divine Rule of Faith", translated by William Goode, vol 3, p. 281-2, "De SS. Trinitate Dialogus I.) "Therefore the inspired Scripture is abundantly SUFFICIENT, even so, that those who have been nourished by it ought to come forth wise and very prudent..." (ibid, p. 282-3, "Contra Julian, Lib. VII). JUSTIN MARTYR: "Moreover, I would wish that all...do not keep themselves away from the words of the Savior. For they possess a terrible power in themselves and are SUFFICIENT to inspire those who turn from the path of rectitude with awe..." (ANF, vol 1, Dialogue of Justin, ch. 8). TERTULLIAN: "From what other source could they derive their arguments concerning the things of the faith except from the records of the faith?" (ANF, Vol 3, Prescription against Heretics", chap 14). "If it is no where written, then let the woe which impends [be upon] all who add to or take away from the written word." (ANF, Vol 3, Against Hermogenes, ch. 22). "It will be your duty, however, to adduce your proofs out of the Scriptures as plainly as we do." (ANF, Vol 3, "Against Praexes 10,11).
@@mojo7495 You seem have inherited the spirit of the Pharisees, but instead of looking for a way to put Christ to death, you look for proof texts (out of context) to justify your doctrines of men in place of the Church Christ actually founded. For one, Augustine would HAVE confirmed the seven books of the Old Testament your "doctrine of men" removed.
@@MythwrightWorkshop Your dingbat reply has no substance whatsoever, let alone do you provide any proof, when I AM THE ONE who provided the quotes from those in days gone by (with 25 others to sink your theological ship as well). And spare me that old-standby Catholic excuse, "OUTA CONTEXT". No, rather, you are OUTA YER MIND. The fact that Auggie may have been sympathetic to the Apocrypha is NOT THE POINT, oh thou fool. His devotion to the sufficiency of Scripture (as all the others were) whatever he (they) thought it was, izzzzz the point, and you are refuted.
Let's all reply like you did. Let's keep it balanced. To say that James White was pathetic shows that you are NOT reasonable. They both made their points through scripture. Keeping in the spirit of your argument. Let's also say that Jimmy was Pathetic.
@@polokucoch8112 White's points were awful, he did not even attempt to prove the resolution, he spent his tim painting "Rome" as the villain. Jimmy instead actually stuck to talking about the resolution, and he successfully proved it's false. It's clear as day that they did not approach the debate in the same way, White was constantly misdirecting the Audience with talks about "ooh Rome bad" knowing that Jimmy couldn't have responded, because it's a discussion about Sola Scriptura and he had prepared arguments about Sola Scriptura. White even failed to deny convincingly Jimmy's proof that Sola Scriptura doesn't meet its own test, your position is just incoherent pal.
@@tafazziReadChannelDescription Are you DRUNK? What was the topic of the debate? It was on Sola Scriptura. Of course, James would prepare for that!! Are you seriously DRUNK? Just that fact alone tells me that you are waaaay off base. Did you hear what James said? He said that Jimmy didn't even respond to the points he made and instead, Jimmy made a powerpoint slide that didn't address the points James made. How can you prepare a powerpoint rebuttal without knowing what your opponent is saying??? Again, Waaaaay off base. And whether you believe in Sola Scriptura or not, if your powerpoint has virtually ZERO scripture to support or rebut arguments then that means that these are Jimmy's thoughts. That's the last guy I want to trust. Dr. James White clearly defined Sola Scriptura. Whether you want to accept that or not is another matter. I think this sums it up well : Jimmy : "God guides the pope so that he doesn't make mistakes" James White's response - "God guides the pope so that he doesn't make mistakes???" My response : "Is Jimmy on DRUGS?"
@@polokucoch8112 IF you are protestant, THEN you can only use scripture to prove sola scriptura (which James failed) But if you are NOT PROTESTANT, you are NOT RELEGATED to scripture alone to make your case. God voice speaks through the heavens, other people, circumstances in our own lives, art, music (that glorified Him) AND YES, History and Logic! Sola scriptura cannot defend sola scriptura. Theres so much MORE evidence against it
@@IoannesVI it's incredible that the debate is supposed to be about James White defending Sola Scriptura, yet he looked to be on the offensive way more than Jimmy was. I thank God for Jimmy... kept his head, calm and kept exposing James's tactics
@HellenicCatholic the Madrid debate was my crossing the Tiber moment. Trent Horn's debate against White on eternal security is what got me started on that journey home though.
@@orangemanbad Evangelical James White admits: “Protestants do not assert that Sola Scriptura is a valid concept during times of revelation. How could it be, since the rule of faith to which it points was at the very time coming into being?” (“A Review and Rebuttal of Steve Ray's Article Why the Bereans Rejected Sola Scriptura,” 1997, on web site of Alpha and Omega Ministries). By this admission, White has unwittingly proven that Scripture does not teach Sola Scriptura, for if it cannot be a “valid concept during times of revelation,” how can Scripture teach such a doctrine since Scripture was written precisely when divine oral revelation was being produced? Scripture cannot contradict itself. Since both the 1st century Christian and the 21st century Christian cannot extract differing interpretations from the same verse, thus, whatever was true about Scripture then also be true today. If the first Christians did not, and could not extract sola scriptura from Scripture because oral revelation was still existent, then obviously those verses could not, in principle, be teaching Sola Scriptura, and thus we cannot interpret them as teaching it either.
Why does James White always say, "Roman?" Doesn't he realize "Roman Catholic" is only one type of Catholic? There are a bunch of different Catholic Rites, with the Roman Rite being only one of them
I don’t think James White is referring to the Roman rite. When we call ourselves ‘Roman Catholics,’ it refers to submitting to the authority of the Bishop of Rome, also known as the Pope, Roman Pontiff, Patriarch of the West, etc. Catholics who attend the other eastern rites are also Roman Catholics.
I think he wants to Demonize us a bit. Ties us to the Romans... those that did the actual crucifiction. Because, in this mind if he just says Catholics, it just doesn't have that punch. But just a tiny opinion here.
Mr . WHITE YOUR AN AWESOME PROTESTANT. YOUR SOLA SCRIPTURA DEBATES CONTINUE TO BRING CONVERTS TO THE One True Holy catholic and Apostolic church. God Bless you Mr. White. 🙏
Hail Mary, full of grace, the Lord is with thee. Blessed art thou amongst women, and blessed is the fruit of thy womb, Jesus. Holy Mary, Mother of God, pray for us sinners, now and at the hour of our death. Amen.❤🙏
Leading others into heresy is a grave sin. This should be taken to the church. If your brother sins against you go and tell him his fault, between you and him alone … But if he does not listen, take one or two others with you … If he refuses to listen … tell it to the church; and if he refuses to listen even to the church, let him be to you as a Gentile and a tax collector. (Mt. 18:15-17) The historical church has repeatedly shot down Sola Scriptura.
“The lie lives until the truth shows up “ - Pardre Luis Toro
Thank you Jimmy Akin!
John 17:17
“Sanctify them through thy truth: thy word is truth.”
King James Version (KJV)
James White was instrumental in my conversion to Catholicism.
Interestingly,Catholic dogma was instrumental in my families conversion out
Seems triumphalist right
@@Frosee14 ummm...not particularly. You saw something that you decided (either correctly or incorrectly) was wrong and made a decision based on that. You then (like me) made a comment about how seeing the thing you viewed as incorrect influenced your decision to go the other direction. Nothing about that sounds particularly triumphalist.
@Frosee14 That's just a sign that you're not of the truth. You prefer the opinions of 16th century men over divine revelation.
Same with his sister Patty
@@Frosee14 You chose wisely [by God's Grace Alone!], because the Scriptures clearly command God's people to,
"Come out of her, my people,
lest you take part in her sins,
lest you share in her plagues;
5 for her sins are heaped high as heaven,
and God has remembered her iniquities.
[Rev. 18:4-5, ESV].
As a faithful Catholic, who is the son of a faithful Baptist mother and a family member of a huge Southern Baptist family, I want to thank the pastors. and the staff of Livingston first Baptist for putting together such a great presentation. And I want to thank Jimmy and Mr. White for their thoughtful expositions of their views.
James White was a disgrace
@@Greg-n. James White did a great job trying to stay on task as Jimmy danced around the truth
@@joebidensdiaper8526 james yelled about the bodily assumption of Mary and his misunderstanding of papal infallibility lol
@@joebidensdiaper8526 I love this comment
@@Greg-n as he usually do when he is running out of arguments...didn't Jimmy pointed it out to which he said; "I'm happy to respond"
9:38: White's opening
24:25 Akin's opening
40:11 Rebuttals begin
1:03:42 cross examination begins
Thank you.
Thank you kind sir.
Dr. White helped me to get into serious Scripture reading after watching some of his debates in the late 1990s and early 2000s. Jimmy Akin and his Catholic Answers crew were instrumental in strengthening my Catholic faith.
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Thank you
The Bible is clear when it comes to Sola Scriptura the two verses below say it all. There's no need to debate this topic.
2 Timothy 3:16-17 "16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: 17 That the man of God may be perfect, thoroughly furnished unto all good works."
my guy absolutely crushed the other guy
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Same 😮
the perfect commend has arrived.
😂😂
HE ABSOLUTELY OBLITERATED HIM
I can't believe this debate actually happened! I think Akin has been wanting to debate White on this subject for like 10 years. I didn't think White would ever agree to the debate. I'm glad he did.
Me too! Totally exposed his views.
They already debated this topic before.
How long do you give White until he converts to Catholicism? What's your best guess?
Jimmy was very well prepared.
@@ghostapostle7225Shhh! Don't spoil these people's thread with facts.
Jimmy Akin’s the Fathers Know Best is a great book organized by topic and date on what the Church Fathers really believed, wonderful book.
Who cares what catholic church fathers believed? They are mouth pieces of the CC. Of course they are going to say its great. The millions of ruined childrens lives by dirty filthy cathoic costume holymen tell another story. Maybe the billions of statues the catholics get on their knees and pray to will save them on the great and terrible day of the Lord.
God breathed on the apostles.
Nice one! I'm stealing that!
Ooh I like it
Right! I feel so blind not to have seen it before!! John 20:22-23! How many times I have read it, and not seen that it is a response to the 2 Timothy 3 "God-breathed the scriptures" argument against including Magisterium and Tradition!
And they in turn lay hands on their successors, and they become divinely ordained ministers of the New Covenant Hierarchical Priesthood in Christ Jesus, in order to carry on the Sanctifying and Salvific work of God in the world.
Jimmy Akin is a very gracious man. Just comes across like a very nice person.
Jimmy seems very arrogant to me. Kinda reminds me of an atheist. James seems very proud
@@fredrosas2575No Jimmy doesn't. It's called confidence and manners. Usually, people who don't have manners are offended by them. A suspicious mind isn't the mind of Christ
@@joea8842 "a suspicious mind isn't the mind of Christ". Where did you get that from? Man, I hope you are not in charge of anything important.
@@joea8842I’m pretty sure Jesus was humble, taught to be humble, and didn’t come off as arrogant.
Let God judge their hearts. None of you can know the secrets of the heart or why they sound the way they do. I can appear humble when I am as proud as a peacock.
Let's us not be distracted from what they are presenting.
@JimmyAkin didn't let himself get carried away by emotions. What a rock! 🪨
Jimmy Akins lost this debate handily. He had no answers and only assumptions he can’t prove. Akin is a talented debater, but he can’t defend a position that is indefensible. White won easily because the truth is it’s own defense
Lmao uh huh. Tell me, give me one verse, where the Bible teaches sola scriptura, since you think Akin lost badly. Show me one Church Father that taught sola scriptura. Go ahead and bring up Augustine, so i can show you how he definitely favored the Catholic Church.
@@davidliu7967 James White needs to appeal to scripture to prove that it is the sole infallible authority. This is logically absurd. And even if scripture was a single book and that book claimed to be the only source of authority then you ought to be very suspicious of it. Authority comes from God alone, not from text in a book. Scripture is authoritative because God said it is...orally!
@@wordforever117
Its a debate between catholicism and protestants it needs to be theologicly sound.
Logic employed by us temperal beings is always falling short.
Likewise is depending on traditions.
Especially if you like Akin drag in others that do not hold to the same traditions at all.
The idea of Sola scriptura is indeed under the Sola Christus is His God breathed word the Bible.
@@Eskon2 It is logically absurd!! Ok example... Jesus said "blessed are the poor in spirit, for they shall see God"
That is the Word of God. Question: Was it the Word of God when Mathew wrote it down? Or was it the Word of God when Jesus actually said it?
Jimmy Akin was amazing! Super grateful to be Catholic now! 😇🙏🇻🇦
White reduced Akin to the ultimate absurdity
The adults who were raped by catholic priests as little kids who commit suicide are not grateful to be catholic.
Thank you, James White I'm now Catholic
Cute, but I guess you don't pay any attention to the debates?
@@vigilantezack Sorry!
Sorry you weren't listening....
@@Michael-uk3pj Ok
Why lie Leo? If you are so sure about your Catholic faith, just keep it real. I'm not saying I agree with White or not, but I don't feel the need to lie about what I was believing prior to the debate.
Thank you Mr. White, because of your arguments or lack of it, made me consider going back to the Catholic faith.
Time to go back home. 🙏
Good for you! Welcome home!
Catholics equate Mary and the Saints to God. They say and/or imply that they are omnipresent, which is an attribute that only God has. Please don't fall for it, they have false gods and a very false doctrine.
I made the jump last year. Will never step inside a protestant church again.
Billy, we welcome you with open arms, and pray that one day, we "may all be one as" Jesus and the Father are one (John 17). I pray that the Lord use you to draw many others like you back into the one and only Church that Jesus Christ himself founded. I think we are witnessing a tidal wave of conversions brought about by the Internet. It is no longer possible to claim that the Catholic Church teaches something when one can easily research to discover what the teaching actually says and means. That is why White's scare tactics just feel so dated and tired. What may have worked in the 80s simply doesn't pass muster today. Anyway, praise be to God. God's grace saves us as individuals and it protects and guides Jesus's Bride through the power of the Holy Spirit. Come, Lord Jesus!
I learned everything i knew about the Catholic church from James White. Finding out none of that was true, was one of the primary reasons i became catholic.
Makes sense. The catholic "church" has no reason to be the one to admit who they serve.
Big Cope, seetheing with copery @@cba4389
@@cba4389 Nah we serve god alone sir. Dont make the same mistake i did and believe what Rome’s enemies say without listening to Rome herself. There’s a reason both parties get an equal chance to state their case in any fair legal dispute. How much more important is understanding the nature of god and what he wants from us? I hate to assume someone is being hasty…. Have you actually listened to catholic apologists or just the anti catholic protestants?
@@timboslice980 for myself I listen to both sides in moderated debates from many different positions. I watch for several things, among the top are how the text of scripture is quoted, in context or not, and consistency in doctrine.
I haven't seen consistency among Roman Catholic debaters although they claim to know what scripture says better than others do.
@@ChristisLord2023 Ive found the exact opposite. In fact, i think if you type in any catholic youtube channel and “worship mary” “Eucharist” “sola scriptura” “purgatory” literally every single youtuber will use the same bible quotes. We constantly get criticized for using the same “catholic talking points”. Also i def agree we have a much deeper and more comprehensible understanding of scripture than Protestants. I’ll give you an easy example…. Explain how romans 2 and 3 are both true. In Romans 2 we read
7 to those who by patiently doing good seek for glory and honor and immortality, he will give eternal life, 8 while for those who are self-seeking and who obey not the truth but injustice, there will be wrath and fury.”
In romans 3 it says: “For no human will be justified before him by deeds prescribed by the law, for through the law comes the knowledge of sin.” And “. excluded. Through what kind of law? That of works? No, rather through the law of faith. 28 For we hold that a person is justified by faith apart from works prescribed by the law.
Catholic theology easily harmonizes all 3 of these passages and indeed all of romans 2. From what ive heard from Protestants, they use romans 3 to refute romans 2. Curious as to how you see it. Ive honestly never heard a logical Protestant response. Usually its “ romans 2 is for unbelievers, its for those who perfectly hold to the law, or paul is presenting a devil’s advocate argument in 2 and answered it with 3, or just that romans 3 over rides romans 2.” What’s odd to me is of all the countless Protestant denoms, why have none of you thought maybe works of the law and good works are different categories of works? Paul talks about works of the flesh, works of darkness, works of the spirit, good works, and works of the law. None of these are the same thing and paul never thinks that hes going to have to break down these categories for future christians who will confuse good works and works of the law as the same thing?
In matthew 25… christ says: “for I was hungry and you gave me no food, I was thirsty and you gave me nothing to drink, 43 I was a stranger and you did not welcome me, naked and you did not give me clothing, sick and in prison and you did not visit me”.
These are all good works. Not one of them is a work of the law… imagine christ saying “i gave you anson and you didnt circumcise him, i gave you food and you failed to wash your hands, depart from me” Adding works of the law into that passage doesnt just feel alien…. Imagine christ added “i was lost and you didnt look for me. It wouldnt surprise me at all. Its a good work. Please tell me you understand.
Thank God for James White. Because of him, I’m now a convert from the man-made Protestant religion to the Church Jesus established 🇻🇦
Amen! I love it!
Welcome home! God bless you
Amen brother 💪🇻🇦✝️
Same here I honestly thank James White for all he's done for helping me learn and through his debates with Catholics i saw how I had to come back home.
Thank God for our former episcopal minister who revealed she didn’t really believe the Bible was true and from the top down the episcopal church leadership condones, promotes, and even celebrates sins, such as; adultery via divorce/remarriage, murder via abortion/a woman’s right to choose, and homosexuality with many of the episcopal ministry in same sex relationships.
Jimmy Akin helped me come back to the Catholic Church ⛪️ He also helped me learn,understand and defend the catholic faith in a charitable respectful manner 🙏✝️🇻🇦
It's too many debates, though. Protestantism shouldn't be given the dignity to be compared to Catholicism. I am very concerned about this Catholic debate culture. I feel it is rooted in ego and isn't focused on growing in a life of holiness and asceticism. It is too much intellectualism.
@@jimsmith8359err is nothing wrong with using our intellect.
God gave it to us to use and if we neglect to debate and make good argumentation then who do you think is going to be the loudest voice reaching unbelievers?
Do you want the Gospel to be spread or not?
@@scroogemcduckismyspiritanimal I don't think enough thought is given to the context of these debates from a Catholic perspective. Again, protestantism can't be dignified by being compared with Catholicism as though the two are equal, and unfortunately, that is what the context of this debate does. Not enough thought is given to those who become calcified in their belief that protestantism is equivalent to Catholicism based on this debate, or worst yet, is superior. Further, what about the Catholics who could be deceived by the protestant debater or by some fault of the Catholic debater?
@@scroogemcduckismyspiritanimal again, this is too much. It is an insult to compare protestantism to Catholicism, and it is done too much on a very public stage. You can not compare protestantism to the One Holy, Catholic, and Apostolic Faith.
Jimmy helped me see the thief on the cross was justified by grace alone through faith alone apart from purgatory
Thank you for hosting this debate! I think it is beneficial for all people. I'm a Catholic and unofficial student of Jimmy Akin!!! But thank you for hosting, God bless 🙌 🙏
Fancy meeting you here Tillo. Blessings friend (I hope)
Indeed good on them
His student? So,so, let's see... Does Jim live in a western saloon or at the top of a mountain?
@@djpodesta howdy 🖐
More than 20 years I was a protestant and studied to become a pastor . Left all and became a catholic and I indeed found Jesus in holy communion.
Christ is within me, is he in you, or just an act?
Welcome home
Blessed Sacrament🙏 How amazing🩵
Dear@@DouglasMcCall, as a Catholic literally takes the risen Body of Jesus into the heart and soul ("becoming like the One consumed" as the ancients used to say), yes, we can know that Christ is within us. Even if we do not feel Him there.
Even if we feel the desolation Christ Himself felt as He asked "My God, My God, why have You forsaken Me?"
Is not the Holy Spirit already doing this with Him in us and us in Him?
James White always reverts to the "scary Rome" argument. He's been doing that for decades. It just doesn't prove Sola Scriptura.
James white says things like “Rome doesn’t want you to know this…” Praise be for Rome for protecting me from such doctrine
All of Whites debates on this topic include him saying “God breathed” in Greek and “Rome bad”
I’m ready for something new lol
Don’t forget he normally says back in the 90 s
@@annb9029 Yes!! First noticed thanks to Michael Lofton. 😆😝🤦🏼♂️
God bless them both.
Jimmy Akin is one of my heroes now. What a gift he is.
.........he was my hero long time ago and i have not even heard the dude speak.
Jesus is my hero. He is the best gift of all time.
Well, I am not saying that James is wrong at 43:26, But St Augustine did believe in the Seat of Peter. Here is one of many examples.:“For if the lineal succession of bishops is to be taken into account, with how much more certainty and benefit to the Church do we reckon back till we reach Peter himself, to whom, as bearing in a figure the whole Church, the Lord said: ‘Upon this rock will I build my Church, and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it !’ The successor of Peter was Linus, and his successors in unbroken continuity were these: - Clement, Anacletus, Evaristus, Alexander, Sixtus, Telesphorus, Iginus, Anicetus, Pius, Soter, Eleutherius, Victor, Zephirinus, Calixtus, Urbanus, Pontianus, Antherus, Fabianus, Cornelius, Lucius, Stephanus, Xystus, Dionysius, Felix, Eutychianus, Gaius, Marcellinus, Marcellus, Eusebius, Miltiades, Sylvester, Marcus, Julius, Liberius, Damasus, and Siricius, whose successor is the present Bishop Anastasius. In this order of succession no Donatist bishop is found. But, reversing the natural course of things, the Donatists sent to Rome from Africa an ordained bishop, who, putting himself at the head of a few Africans in the great metropolis, gave some notoriety to the name of ‘mountain men,’ or Cutzupits, by which they were known.”
To Generosus, Epistle 53:2(A.D. 400), in NPNF1,I:298
Amazing find. Thank you for sharing
Here’s another where he mentions the Seat of Peter:
“For in the Catholic Church, not to speak of the purest wisdom, to the knowledge of which a few spiritual men attain in this life, so as to know it, in the scantiest measure, indeed, because they are but men, still without any uncertainty (since the rest of the multitude derive their entire security not from acuteness of intellect, but from simplicity of faith,)- not to speak of this wisdom, which you do not believe to be in the Catholic Church, there are many other things which most justly keep me in her bosom. The consent of peoples and nations keeps me in the Church; so does her authority, inaugurated by miracles, nourished by hope, enlarged by love, established by age. The succession of priests keeps me, beginning from the very seat of the Apostle Peter, to whom the Lord, after His resurrection, gave it in charge to feed His sheep, down to the present episcopate. And so, lastly, does the name itself of Catholic, which, not without reason, amid so many heresies, the Church has thus retained; so that, though all heretics wish to be called Catholics, yet when a stranger asks where the Catholic Church meets, no heretic will venture to point to his own chapel or house. Such then in number and importance are the precious ties belonging to the Christian name which keep a believer in the Catholic Church, as it is right they should, though from the slowness of our understanding, or the small attainment of our life, the truth may not yet fully disclose itself. But with you, where there is none of these things to attract or keep me, the promise of truth is the only thing that comes into play. Now if the truth is so clearly proved as to leave no possibility of doubt, it must be set before all the things that keep me in the Catholic Church; but if there is only a promise without any fulfillment, no one shall move me from the faith which binds my mind with ties so many and so strong to the Christian religion.”
James lied multiple times in this debate. He cannot be trusted, you've just shown an example of him falsely claiming something that St. Augustine believed when he didn't. Another example is when the he brings up the example of Pope Honorius claiming that because he was excommunicated no one believed in Papal infallibility even though that same exact council AFFIRMS papal infallibility with Pope Agatho's letter which was read allowed and accepted completely by all present at the 6th ecumenical council. There are just two examples of him baring false witness or at the very least excluding context to work for his agenda. Anyone who knows about history knows that James told multiple lies. John 8:44 seems to me what James is following. Not the truth.
@@SevereFamine Just because Augustine believed that (I concede I don't know one way or another) doesn't mean the belief was shared amongst the Apostles or the early church. Without a solid scriptural basis (God's word) it's irrelevant to the body's well-being what Augustine believed if his beliefs were in error and detached from God's instruction, the Word.
They replace the office vacated by Judas death. It remains the way today
Really beautiful that Jimmy standed and took his hat off for the prayer at the end. It shows that Catholics give great respect to prayers said in the name of Our Lord Jesus Christ!
Catholic here. Thank you for hosting this debate and posting it on UA-cam.
As a Protestant, very disappointed in James. His case was 90% “nuh uh” and “but Catholics say Mary was assumed into heaven” which was irrelevant. The question was not about papal infallibility, or Catholic doctrines. It was about sola scriptura.
Everything you described is classic James White.
@@TruthHasSpoken I notice it more and more. He’s incredibly intelligent. But scripture says “knowledge puffs up” Intelligent, but too prideful in his intelligence.
@@joshuafeezor1304 You may not know, that after listening to her brother debate, Patti Bonds converted to Catholicism. ua-cam.com/video/6KHgLzu_nbw/v-deo.htmlsi=L5YV7UB4HTwV0aFN
@@joshuafeezor1304 Here's a great video .... an amateur Catholic apologist and James White. ua-cam.com/video/bF_Iwuh2IUw/v-deo.htmlsi=9CxMrid2DYM2EK8K
All apostolic churches believe that Mary, after her dormition Christ did take her body with him.
Catholics (western and eastern)
Eastern Orthodox
Oriental orthodox
Syrian church of the east hold this.
It’s only the Protestants that don’t
What incredible objectivity for a Protestant church to host a debate and tell the faithful to come to their own conclusions. True faith should not fear controversy. Amazing
This is why the Catholic Church is the FULLNESS of the Truth.
The catholic church says men have to pay for their own sins in some fire somewhere. The bible says Jesus paid for all sins. The catholic curch denies that. Its just lucky that you r loved ones can purchase you out of this pergatory. The CC has made untold billions from this scam, the fulness of truth.
You are delusional. Sad to say
I've got a serious question that, as far as I know, never gets brought up in these debates. How could Christians conceive scripture alone as completely sufficient when for the vast majority of Christian history the average man could not read or get access the the number of copies of the Bible we have today? if the Bible was indented to be taken alone, traditions rejected and the church had no authority to teach the Bible then how could anyone except a very few educated people ever come to learn it?
Many of them think the world started in 1960. The smarter ones think the world started in 1517
Exactly
Good point
The simple solution is public reading of the Bible by those who are able.
@@fortknox4740 And that is what in fact happened...by Catholic Priests...I guess my point is that the common man needed to be able to trust what was being read and who was reading it.
The more James White debates, the more Catholic conversions he will help foster among the increasing number of protestants who are open to considering the Catholic Faith. I watched all of White’s debates with Catholics in order to help me avoid converting. They did the opposite-and the reasons why are abundantly obvious in this debate as well.
You are completely deluded, and on Judgment Day, you will discover that all those things OUTSIDE of Scripture you supposed were so necessary for salvation, WERE NOT.
The result?
A passport to hell.
Amen 🙏
Please what a joke
just don't pray to those who passed away, or someone might answer.
Could you articulate one or two of those reasons for your conversion? What makes you trust tradition over God’s Word?
It's concerning that James White didn't seem to want to stick to the topic. He brought up Marian dogmas, purgatory, papal infallibility, the Synod on Synodality, Fiducia Supplicans and implied in his closings that Jimmy Akin should have defended these things when none of these things were the topic of the debate. Akin by contrast stuck on point and focused on the New Testament and the immediate apostolic age
Exactly what I noticed as well: James White spent the majority of his time attacking Catholic dogma (with some ad hominems sprinkled in) without actually defending the doctrine Sola Scriptura, and he didn't even have the honesty to admit that he was assuming to be true what he had to prove, indeed he constantly begged the question.
You're correct. That's part of why Akin won on the merits. BUT, _Sola Scriptura_ isn't really winnable on the merits unless the opponent is an inferior debater, because it's an intrinsically self-contradictory and anti-historical Epistemic System.
Given this, James White has gradually evolved a tactic which serves him well: 1. Pretend that hot-takes by the New York Times or various other leftists represent an accurate depiction of Pope Francis's papacy, and remind the audience of those caricatures, however inaccurate; 2. Bring up unfamiliar or oft-derided dogmas that the audience doesn't understand, to create a negative reaction in the audience for emotional-association reasons. That way, when your opponent wins on the _logic of the thing_ (as he will typically do, with _Sola Scriptura,_ given its deficiencies) you can still be sure that an awful lot of _the audience_ wasn't persuaded by the arguments, because they were already tuned out for emotional reasons.
It's not good arguing, but it's a good ploy.
From what I heard Mr. White was bringing it up largely because Jimmy Akin was arguing for apostolic tradition thus White was responding with the point that these are not apostolic tradition but later developed doctrines. Catholics usually admit much of this. No Catholic to my knowledge has ever argued that Marian dogmas are apostolic tradition (instead they appeal to the theory of doctrinal development of Cardinal Newman and authority).
Yeah, and Jimmy still crushed him😂
@Adam-ue2ig that's his logic yes, but it would've been inappropriate for this debate to turn into a Marian dogma debate when that wasn't the topic. If James White wanted to debate the Marian dogma, he should have debated that instead. There are still apostolic traditions not found in the Bible which protestants recognize, Jimmy identified 4 and James White only interacted with that argument when forced to during cross examination.
This was not just a game changer but a game ender! As soon as James White admitted that the doctrine of sola scriptura is not scriptural it was all over. That was a very clever move by Jimmy Akin.
He stepped on a similar landmine in his debate with Trent Horn when he stated there was no agreement on the biblical canon prior to the reformation. Nuked his entire argument.
Scripture is Gods word written.
Nothing else is.
All doctrine is based on the revelation of Gods word.
@@ZachFish- "All doctrine is based on the revelation of Gods word."
Open your bible to the table of contents. The list of books is a doctrine that you hold. It's NOT found in scripture.
@@ZachFish-yes Sacred Scripture is but one vehicle of Divine revelation; God’s Word. The other vehicle of Divine revelation is Sacred Tradition, which communicates God’s Word brother before God’s Word was written down and alongside what is written down. And the Magisterium, which is seen through the authority Christ gave Peter, his apostles, and was handed down to their successors, represents the authority to teach and authentically and accurately interpret God’s words, guided by the Holy Spirit; “He who hears you, hears me. He who rejects you, rejects me and He who rejects me, rejects Him who sent Me.” Luke 10:16
"Do not go beyond what is written." 1Corinthians 4:6
James white is the greatest evangelist for Catholicism
Hm. I think John MacArthur is right up there!
He was predestined to be so! 😆
@@dustinburwell7693 -- And let anyone who disagrees be anathema!
James Whites debate against Patrick Madrid on sola scriptura actually led me to come out of Protestantism. I’m currently looking into information on Orthodoxy and Catholicism so pray God guides me through this time.
@@stevenirizarry9427have you find peace in God as per Romans 5:1-2 or you are destined to be tossed every wind of doctrine?
That was powerful in the cross examination segment. Mr. White repeatedly asked questions to Mr. Akin, and Mr. Akin repeatedly rebuked him, the 4th time around Mr. Akin looked to crowd knowingly and then repeated that we were talking about a supposed thing in the future not something that has happened.
Mr. Akin, you did an excellent job presenting your beliefs.
Dr. White fell short. His historical inaccuracies were downright lies. Great job Jimmy Akins
Jimmy couldn’t refute it, he deflected by accusing James of using a debate tactic and claiming he didn’t have time. This suggests White was not lying with the history.
Could you please point out a lie from Dr. White?
Former “nondenominational Christian” here from Calvary Chapel in Southern California, Jimmy Akin, Tim Staples, Dr. Taylor Marshall and The Terry and Jesse Show on Virgin Most Powerful Internet Radio app helped me become a full Christian, a Catholic Christian ❤
Catholics are not Christians.
Once you understand the universal apostolic church there’s no going back
Please avoid Dr Taylor Marshall! 😢 That man is not doing Christ's work at the stage of his ministry... But welcome home!
I use to listen to TM but then I realized that he makes a living spreading gossip and heresay, so I unsubscribed. I started noticing that he would always say, “an anonymous insider at the Vatican told me X,Y, Z..” That was a red flag for me.
@@josephgoemans6948Dr Taylor Marshall is 99% spot on and he is on the same page as Terry and Jesse Romero from Virgin Most Powerful. Plus he is a fellow Protestant convert
Jimmy is such a treasure. He brought me to the Catholic Church.
After the debate everyone can stand in line to register for RCIA. Welcome Home!
😂 sorry but i LOL! Yes, please...
Welcome home to Rome. Dont mind the maggots.
This is probably one of my favorite debates I’ve seen. Great job to both speakers.
PS: my man Jimmy killed it 😎
Jimmy akin has the upperhand in this debate..this will bring more conversion....Ave Maria...
James White loves Christ and is trying to do what he believes is right and trying to teach others what he thinks is true. These are all commendable qualities and admirable traits. I tried to defend this position while a Protestant myself who had left the Catholicism of my youth at 18 and started in seminary to become a Protestant minister.
The studies of Theology and the Bible and Church history led to a crisis of faith for me on various Protestant positions and doctrines. Contradictions between Bible passages when each had to be reconciled with the Protestant understanding of the gospel, but BOTH or MANY passages couldn’t be reconciled.
At the time, I didn’t know there was another option. My understanding of Catholicism wasn’t very sophisticated as a child, of course, but I had personal reasons for never wanting to give Catholicism a chance again, and I had come to the usual Protestant conclusions about idolatry and works and Mary, etc.
Some rather dark years followed and it was cancer that led me back to God, and it was John Henry Newman and then Chesterton who answered my dilemmas in their turning to Rome. Newman’s Apologia and then Chesterton’s Orthodoxy and The Thing: Why I am a Catholic solidified my intellectual assent to Catholicism as the One, True, Holy, and Apostolic Faith.
Even so, I prayed for a sign for confirmation and received immediately a miraculous sign that I was to return to the Catholic Church of my youth.
Further study of much of what Jimmy Akin presents here confirmed that Sola Scriptura was indefensible, and I do not know if James White will be able to see or admit this himself. It is so very difficult when you have publicly stated and defended certain positions for years, and have had others follow and learn from you, to drop all of this social pressure and desire not to see that you may have been wrong, and to admit that something you have fought against for so long is actually the truth. I hated admitting this. I fought it for years. I didn’t like telling others I had been mistaken. Pride was in my way.
James White has his livelihood to think of as well, which adds another layer to the difficulties he would face IF he came to change his mind.
It would take an incredibly admirable amount of humility, courage, and integrity for Mr. White to become Catholic if he ever did come to a conviction that it was/is the Church Christ founded. He may never come to this, but he obviously loves Christ and wants to follow His savior.
I hope that White goes on a retreat of some kind, and inwardly wrestles with all of these things. May God lovingly come to him and lead him to that place where all the concerns of this world and opinions of others melt away, so he can hear and respond to God with no concern for the social, economic, or sectarian tensions, but follows his heart for Christ.
And all the comments on here that appear to judge James, please stop. See him as God sees him - as a man with a heart for Christ pursuing truth, and wanting him to come to the fullness of what God desires for him. My brother in Christ, our prayers are with and for you. God bless James White. And may we all have hearts on fire for Christ as much as White.
Powerful!
Jamessgian, Sirs, what must I do to be saved, the jailer asked in Acts 16:30. They ans and said, BELIEVE ON THE LORD JESUS CHRIST AND YOU WILL BE SAVED. Have you been born again James through faith in JESUS CHRIST, and not false religion?
Good debate. If we are voting on the winner, my vote goes for Akin.
Why?
I woud vote for James White.
If I learnt something, it was to talk politely with calmness and maintaining composure. Thank you so much Jimmy. It was a delight to listen to you. I learned a lot.
Such debates are a great opportunity to learn so much about the true faith.
Congratulations and thank you to Pastor Brian Gunter and FBC Livingston, LA for this courageous and well-run debate!
James White is a better Catholic apologist than Jimmy is
Did we watch the same debate? White literally claims that he wasn't "overloading" even though right after claiming that he says "purgatory, Marian dogmas, papal infallibility" when this debate is not about any of those. James was very dishonest as well, especially when he claimed that no one believed in papal infallibility because of Pope Honorius without including the context that the same exact council taught that all previous Popes (including Honorius) never taught heresy and cannot based on the promise of Christ which was completely affirmed by all attending. Please read the 6th ecumenical council and Pope Agatho's letter which was presented at the council and read allowed to all present and affirmed by all present. James simply lied.
White didn’t even go into the topic of the debate. His entire argument was a red herring because instead of trying to disprove the necessity of an infallible tradition he instead goes to attack Catholic tradition.
@@YaksoHDI think he was being funny. I commented something similar. 😂
@@IoannesVI So hard to tell sarcasm online lol especially in comments section. Thanks for the clarification!
@@YaksoHD lol yeah there is no way OP is being serious.
Jimmy Akin did commendable job by providing real examples
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Oh my, it thought it would be bad but now I've watched this James White was absolutely destroyed. I started to feel embarrassed for him, especially in the cross examination.
Excellent Jimmy
I think Dr. White has forgotten about the Orthodox. Scary Rome argument doesn’t really work against the fact that there are other Apostolic Traditions. He needs to realise no one taught sola scripture for 1500 years and it isn’t just Rome he is debating.
As a catholic living in a community that has several orthodox communities, I deeply appreciate your perspective, it’s always bothered me that so many of the “anti-catholic” positions are also anti-orthodox, but that never gets brought up and contended with.
What if I'm scared by Orthodox "magicians" also? Check made.
BULL, to the claim that NO ONE for 1500 years looked to the Scriptures as the final authority! That only shows how truly biblically and historically ignorant you really are.
Pathetic!
@@coolcatbaron scared, or scarred? I have so many questions. So many.
Lol that's a very uninformed comment. Rome and Constantinople both claim to be the only true Apostolic church, and their traditions are different. Either only one of them is right, or James is right
God bless Jimmy and James White. While I don't agree with James White's position, or his rhethoric, I apprechiate the openness to dialogue.
Return the slab.
James White is a jerk. If not for his pride, he’d submit to the Church.
Wow the Catholics are out in force for this one.
They are a mission field. They Need our prayers. Thanks for your ministry Dr. White. Surely you are reaching some of them.
JW is doing a great job bringing Protestants into the Catholic Church, no less his sister.
It’s a Baptist channel sir😂
@@thetruth4829
Hipster Catholics and neotrads are extremely online
I kinda wonder if the Vatican pays for bots
Hahaha my guy, no he's not! At least not any intelligent and honest ones 😅
Jimmy Akin is a blessing to us all. Praying for all to come “home” to the Catholic Church.
White reduced Akin to the ultimate absurdity
Dear@@Plaza_and_Mote, I have often told God in prayer that I do not understand Him. He is beyond the capacity of the human mind to comprehend.
Truth is like that. Beyond us.
James White does not understand the heights and depths of Catholic teaching. The Holy Spirit is revealing more of it every day. God Alone is our Guide and Advocate.
@@susand3668Anyone that has the name "HellStar" I wouldn't give a moment of credibility to!
Dear@@gleeberger8966 , some of the names people give themselves are deeply ironic. As I am tone-deaf to irony or sarcasm (I used to be good at it, but I lost my taste for the game, so now...) I am a perfect straightman.
Akins is a liar first class. he has to in order to justify catholic dogma. Oh, and sweep away child molestation by catholic men in costumes.
James White: I can't support or demonstrate the topic of the debate "Sola Scriptura", so let's talk about Pope Francis, Mary's assumption and Trent Horn.
Trent living in his head rent free😂
Yeah because you know the Catholic Church's claims of authority are never to be questioned or defended...
James White tries to bait his opponents . His arguments are all over the place. Almost all of his arguments are sensational attacks on subjects that have nothing to do with sola Scriptura .
Thank you for your opinion.
IT IS REJECTED.
Yeah a person with a functional brain would notice his baiting.
Truth. He does well in some areas to defend his sixteenth century beliefs, in others the vein in his head looks like it's going to explode any time he isn't getting the rise he's looking for
Baiting is to expose hypocrisy in a debate.. Thanks for learning something new..
that was my thought exactly
Based on many comments it seems that Mr. White is driving people back home to the Catholic Church. Let's keep debating and saving souls for Christ!
So is James’s argument that because Mary’s assumption is false sola scriptoria is true.
Sounds like he’s tired of debating sola scriptoria and wants to debate Catholic marian beliefs. LOL
James' error is much worse than that: He's arguing that a Marian dogma is unbiblical, therefore you should believe in the Bible alone! It's assuming his own conclusion. He would have to prove without the Bible that the Marian dogmas were wrong to illustrate the proof by contradiction he is trying to use, but he would only undercut his own position by doing so. James is, unfortunately, not skilled at Aristotelian logic, which is weird for a guy who could read Aristotle in the original language.
Mary’s assumption is supported by scripture together with known surrounding facts and culture.
thanks for putting it like this, really accurate
@@Joker22593 Was Aristotle Koine, or was he Ancient Greek? 🤔🤔🧐
Then he'd have a tough time arguing against EO. Since they believe in the dormition of Mary.
I am a former Reformed Presbyterian. I have watched all of White's debates. I used to cheer him on for simply being on "my side". Now that I am Roman Catholic and not blinded by prejudice, I see right through his cheap tactics. Somehow White's hatred of Mary and her dogmas always gets brought up no matter the topic. He was completely outclassed here in this debate. Jimmy Akin did an excellent job answering questions posed by James White, and Jimmy had James White stuttering multiple times while he was cross-examining him. It was great.
Were you RPCNA? I used to be RPCOI
Uh, why is pointing out Mary worship always equating to "hating" her.
So you got convinced of a false church narrative and invented dogmas that never existed in the early church till hundreds of years later ?
" I am former Reformed Presbyterian", people like to say things like that as if It means anything, but the truth is that in any given denomination 90% of Christians don't know almost anything about their traditional believes and how to defend them, including in Cathocism. And it says a lot to me when a former Presbyterian says that he used to get his apolegetics from Baptists, which is a whole different tradition (even if it is a 1689 Baptist) lol. White does not follow Presbyterian's Confession of Faith and Cathecism. It is like a Catholic saying that he used to learn from an Eastern Orthodox about his faith.
You may have changed denominations, but the “blinded by prejudice” stayed the same lol
Everyone things their guy does good, just like u did when Protestant
The Church is the pillar and foundation of truth
Just ask cardinal McCarrick, he is part of that pillar of truth.
And how can I, unless some man shew me? And he desired Philip that he would come up and sit with him.
[Acts of Apostles 8:31]
I converted from generic protestant churches to the one holy and apostolic Catholic Church several years ago. James White just confirmed I made the right choice.
You guys are all copy pasting the same comment that James white made you catholic. Is that a tacit admission that the other guy did poorly and was himself not convincing enough?
I don't know why I even listened to these two characters but I had a long drive. Honestly I don't know the catholic guy but White I've heard and don't agree with his theology but he did fine in defense for Christianity. Catholic beliefs about the sacraments, the roles of the Bible and tradition, the importance of the Virgin Mary and the saints, and the papacy are contrary to what I know to be Christianity. I find way too much idolatry going on & justified. If you visit the vatican will you see any scripture on the walls? No, just statues and paintings and many are quite evil. Does this explain why the catholic church does not really support the Word? History showed us they didn't want us to have it & after the reformation they tried to smooth that one out. Mary, the rosary, the eucharist and the complete love for the church baffles me. The other stuff is not scriptural but man made the dedication to the church is more idolatry. The Church is the body of Christ not a building or particular denomination. We have always had false churches as we still do today. I have left a certain denomination after the Lord matured me in His knowledge of the Word. If I was a catholic & realized it was wrong where would I go? They claim it's the only church, I'd have to submit & justify it's wrongs. What I have is God the only Father through Jesus Christ who sits hand of the Father and has sent me his Holy Spirit. I have Christ in me & I in him because of that. The precious blood of Jesus Christ on that mercy seat is the blood of the final sacrafice. I can enter into the throne room of God now & make my petitions known, I don't need a church to do that, I don't need a man of flesh to do that for me, I won't give that to a priest, Jesus Christ was the last & final priest, God's Word is now written down by the power of God, He & He alone has made that happen. We are destroyed for a lack of knowledge so "I" will stay in His Word & constantly study it as lead by the Holy Spirit. I will also hear the Word of God by a pastor & preacher that I believe we're called. No traditions to follow except what is written and when something is said & done outside what is written it is time to Protest & leave. Unlike you I don't make choices on a single man especially when I have the Word, the Lord & husband Spirit. Especially could I not run to the catholic church that has not only bad history but doctrines of men & some I believe are doctrines of demons. I realize their is the human characteristic of those who prefer to be led, those who rather submit to man rather than God. In order to do that we need to have the ability to want to think for ourselves with the Holy Spirit. The man made doctrine of the justification of Mary should alert you. They claim Mary is not their mediator but they always go to Mary first especially the women. The way y'all adorn the statue, that doesn't tell you something? And what does that do to Christ, leaving him back there for later? The weak minded will always flow to something of the flesh or evil that will do all the work & thinking for them
There are over 240 catholic churches..
@@marioforieri8529 There is one Catholic church that umbrellas different rites, I can go to a Byzantine or Latin rite and still be in communion.
I feel sorry for you. Some people just can't stand the truth
White: "Blessings of irregular relationships"
Akin: "This does not involve giving a blessing to a union"
White: "I know that"
Everyone watching: "Why did you just lie to us Mr White?"
Yup, classic James..
All for the sake of persuading the audience instead of proclaiming the truth.
JW lost all credibility with that
Thank you James white for confirming to me I'm right about converting to catholicism lol
You are deluded. Catholicism is indeed, counterfeit Christianity, beginning with the fact all Catholics are taught to trust in their good works to get to heaven, per your filthy catechism stating that in #1821.
Oh stop it. The only reason is that you can't stand to abide by God's word alone is because you believe all those things OUTSIDE of the Text are necessary for salvation, like papal subordination, etc.
THEY ARE NOT, and therefore, you are 100% lost.
Lol nice one
Catholicism is a genuine religion, Protestantism is just you and your book
Proverbs 4:19 ESV
The way of the wicked is like deep darkness; they do not know over what they stumble.
Jimmy Akin crushes James White. 🔥
😂 got that backwards
@@spartakos3178 - Not at all. White was turning red more than once. I've watched tons of his work. You know when he is miffed and he was miffed a lot in this.
Akin was calm and collected. He had not only scripture but also White's books in his presentation. Akin got this one.
@@spartakos3178 😂 for 1400 yrs the church didn't had Bible for every individual that itself proves sola is ❌...
@@savagemode.no, sola does not mean solo. It means the church should define it doctrine on the basis of scripture not itself, which is what RCC does.
@@scotthix2926 That's not how Church define the Doctrine. The Doctrine is defined by carefully looking at Holy Tradition & Holy Scripture bcz not everything is written in Holy Scripture bcz our Church Fathers is the one who compiled the Holy Scripture.
★ The New Testament canon was not determined until the late 300s, books the Church deemed sacred were early on proclaimed at Mass, and read and preached about otherwise. Early Christian writings outnumbered the 30+ books that would become the canon of the New Testament. The shepherds of the Church[Church Fathers], by a process of spiritual discernment and investigation into the liturgical traditions of the Church spread throughout the world, had to draw clear lines of distinction between books that are truly inspired by God and originated in the apostolic period, and those which only claimed to have these qualities. Apostles didn't gave the Bible the Church did.
★The process culminated in 382 as the Council of Rome, which was convened under the leadership of Pope Damasus, promulgated the 73-book scriptural canon. The biblical canon was reaffirmed by the regional councils of Hippo (393) and Carthage (397), and then definitively reaffirmed by the ecumenical Council of Florence in 1442.
★The Old Testament books were written well before Jesus’ Incarnation and all of the New Testament books were written by roughly the end of the first century A.D.But the Bible as a whole was not officially compiled until the late fourth century, illustrating that it was the Catholic Church who determined the canon-or list of books-of the Bible under the guidance of the Holy Spirit. Indeed, the Bible is not a self-canonizing collection of books, as there is no table of contents included in any of the books.
Jimmy Akin was great, this guy inspires me to study the Bible more and become a stronger Catholic 🙏🙏
Thank you FBC Livingston, LA for making the debate available for to us.
James white helped me Catholic.
Crazy how James White keeps appealing to his debate numbers as if they mean he won or something.
It is a sophist technique and suggests an insecurity in his position.
So is overloading, which he absolutely did. The point of the debate is to talk about the topic not add new topics that the other person has no time to address. It poisons the well.
James White's debates are well known because it has helped so many come back to the Apostolic Faith.
"Experience informs us that the first defense of weak minds is to recriminate."
Samuel Taylor Coleridge
This debate filled me with true, profound sadness realizing how many lies are believed by the Protestants about Christianity, as it has been lived and passed down by the one and only Catholic Church for two thousand years. I pray and hope for the reunification of Christians all over the world, that those fallen away may return home. God love you ❤
My happiness and confidence that I belonged to the only one true Holy Catholic Church, the Church started by our Almighty Lord Jesus Christ and entrusted to St. Peter. Holy Mother Mary and all the Angels and Saints pray for us sinners.
Why should anyone pray to Mary? She can't hear you over the praises everyone is giving to Jesus day and night.
Jimmy Akin clearly won!
❤ AMEN 😍 had that self proclaimed "pastor" going to here and there! Bouncing all over the place because he couldn't defend the topic that he brought up to Jimmy Akin 😂.
Weak arguments by James... Bringing Mother of our Lord Jesus in Debate just to prove his point not even the topic...
James exposed the whole protestantism position.
They always run to Mary, the pope, Magisterium, works, etc. etc. when they can't answer you.
@@IoannesVI The mere fact the RCC demands that papal subordination is necessary for salvation, proves you are 100% headed for hell, so ANY reference to the Pope to make ANY argument, is perfectly legitimate.
@@eucharistangel4662 🤣🤣🤣
The context of him bringing Mary and those doctrines up was Mr. Akins appeal to apostolic tradition so that presents fair game for Mr. White to argue that those doctrines are later developments not part of the apostolic teaching/tradition.
Catholics offend God by making idols of worshipping and praying to dead humans.
Wow what a burial, Jimmy Akin knew that James White would regurgitate the same arguments he has been arguing since the 90s
And summed up those arguments at the beginning and refuted them
Well put
God bless both speakers for dialoguing. Jimmy Akin speaks so truthfully.
James White so clearly has personal hate towards the Catholic Church. It comes out in these debates and does not help his side at all.
Well it helps to get the other anti-Catholics all fired up, like the host church. Did you notice that the moderator put in a plug for sharing the Baptist faith with the Catholics? Pretty cheeky.
Yeah because he wants to be the authority
I do too. It's because a different gospel is presented by the catholic church.
If you studied your Bible, you would see this.
The church sacrifices Jesus in mass weekly. This is abhorrent and blasphemous. Jesus died once for all and His righteousness placed upon us to present us holy before God. This is clearly written in Romans and seen throughout the Bible. The catholic church do not believe this.
"Blessed is the man whose sins are forgiven; whose transgressions the Lord will never count against him."(Romans 4:7, 8).
"we have been made holy through the sacrifice of Jesus body once for all.
Day after day the priest offers the same sacrifices that can never take away sins." Hebrews 10:10- 14
@@vaekkriinhart4347 First, you should not hate another Christian brother/sister. We should pray for others. A different Gospel is not presented by the Church. Please read John 6, Jesus does not describe his body as a symbol to be offered up. We practice the Mass today the same way that the earliest Christians did. The offering of the Eucharist is the new passover and new covenant which is shown in The Last Supper as well. The Old Testament directly correlates to the New Testament.
@@garrettwilliams6396
Right. If it’s just a symbol, why bother? Anglican here.
I am stunned buy how obtuse James is being. I have never seen him back on his heels so badly. Jimmy had him sweating, that was unreal.
He seems agitated and defensive, as if he feels his position is weak or indefensible.
I...wouldn't overstate that. I think he usually comes across _pretty close_ to what we saw here: Like a somewhat-irritable Muppet, with all the fur boiled off (except for that on the chin). For myself, I just wish he would stop reminiscing about his glory days debating Gerry Matatics in the 90's: ua-cam.com/video/lpp4i0aa40A/v-deo.html Poor guy seems like his life peaked, and it's been all downhill since then.
James White is arrogant and has a long way to go. I am not Roman Catholic. I am not a Protestant either. Jimmy Aken has my respect he always has. He is a very smart man who seems to love the truth as far as I can tell. Glory to God for all things! ✝️☦️✝️
I thought James White would retire a long time ago. He keeps getting wrecked by catholics and I am not even catholic.
Imagine thinking White gets wrecked by papists. lol.
@@KnightFel oh he did. Trent horn debate and even a lot of protestants were agreeing
@@KnightFelHe has. He’s brought more people to Catholicism.
@@dualtags4486many Catholics would deny Romans 4 on the blessed man. I don't know who can honestly state that they'll be saved thru the 5 Solas. Tradition plays such an enormous role in a Catholic's life that it will ignore what is in writing to follow what the church says. IMO it's quite similar to the LDS religion.
@@KnightFelgotta respect the one fan remaining for White. Thats dedication 😂
Glory to God! For such a clear cut message. Dr. James White has helped save many souls....
Dr. White has immensely changed how he presents this topic, from the Bible being the " sole authority", to now being the default. Words matter.
I caught that at the beginning too. Pride is powerful.
... Sola Scriptura MEANS the sole INFALLIBLE rule of faith and practice... It's literally in the definition of the term.
He even states it in his opening statement.
You're conflating the two perspectives he said in his opening statement. Sola scriptura is the sole infallible rule of faith for the church. Sola scriptura is also the default position of scripture itself. Thats not an equivocation.
I noticed that. Basically his argument is that we can’t point to anything else.
It’s hard to keep the story straight when you’re making it up while debating Jimmy
Congratulations to my Wife. From Baptist to Catholic🥳🥳🥳
Please pray for the conversion of my partner
Mine too
Yay! Congratulations to both of you! 🎉
Sad,she's just like one of those of John 6:66
Sadly, both you and your wife are 100% lost, if for no other reason than your hopes for heaven are based squarely on your good deeds (CCC 1821).
Great debate, very informative.
if Mr. James White became Catholic Christian, that would be a miracle. i pray for him.
His sister became Catholic after listening to one of his debates!
People who loved reading the Bible will never be a Roman Catholic.
@@carloparra8687 Dr. Scott Hahn, Steve Ray, Jeff Cavins, Keith Nester, Tim Staples and many other be like: uhm, hello? 👋
@@carloparra8687 The bible is a Catholic book...
@@TruthHasSpoken I agree catholic in general not for Roman Catholic only.
Akin is brilliant ❤
an intellectual mismatch for certain.
He’s deceptive. He dodged the biggest problems with rejecting Sola Scriptura. You end up with wild doctrines like purgatory, praying to saints, worshipping Mary, believing bread is God and worshipping it, indulgences…should I go on?
@@manualboyca hahahaha.... you serious?
@@manualboycayou mean the topic of scripture then white is on purgatory lol hahaha
@@mg_claymore8611I think he is & I agree with him.
I don't think James really engaged or refuted Jimmy's very straightforward argument. James agrees sola scriptura is a doctrine, and thus needs to be in scripture. But then also agrees that sola scriptura wasn't the paradigm until at least the second century which means it could not have been possible for it to have been taught in the New Testament. This seems to be a simply logical defeater of James' thesis, I don't see any alternatives out of it.
Yup. It's like I say: If your hermeneutic precludes the first several generations of Christians, it might be time to rethink things.
And not even in the second century, the bible was not finished until the five century (councils) so what happened in those 400 years? nobody entered heaven? lol no, not even the thief at the cross "needed it"
@@dezlovecraft5247to be fair St. Dismas was granted paradise, not heaven that day. Christ wouldn't open the gates of heaven as seen in Daniel 7 until the Ascension 43 days later.
@@dezlovecraft5247
The status of a book as scripture is determined by GOD
The premisse were clear. You cannot gave doctrine that opposes to bible. And Pastor White used as examples those false doctrines such purgatory and mariology cannot be accepted. Also, he said over and over "Jesus used the Scriptures as secure and supreme fount of knowledge of God's will".
Can a Protestant explain the Words of Christ to His Apostles (the first Bishops) -
"What you bind on Earth shall be bound in Heaven. What you loose on Earth shall be loosed in Heaven." (Matthew 18:18) Is not Christ giving the first ordained Bishops and Pope authority to rule His Church on Earth? If each person is to interpret Scripture themselves, what sort of confusion does that create?
Jimmy absolutely wiped the floor with James White
BULL.
Then you watched a totally different debate than I did. They both had their strong and weak points.
@@eucharistangel4662well
James white’s own sister converted to Catholicism
@@cantrait7311 Whoooooo in the world cares? It proves absolutely nothing!
@@eucharistangel4662 his own sister cares now she’s catholic
The fork tongued has been James White is resoundingly smashed once again.
"HE HAS SLIDES! IT'S LIKE HE KNOWS WHAT IM GOING TO SAY AFTER ALL THESE YEARS! 😭"
Yeah, can't believe how confident he was with that self-own.
Just saw that part. How was that a dig at Akin? It just means White's arguments are predictable, which isn't something to gloat about 😂
@@thenazarenecatholic Jimmy Akin explained that he had prepared a lot of slides but did not use all of them. He tailored his presentation and rebuttals to what James White said. Considering James can't let go of debates that he did in 90s I'd say it's pretty obvious he is stuck in the past and his arguments have stayed consistent for 30 years. Yay for James White being consistent.
I don't understand why people don't understand why these debates are important.
I've watched many and I have learned much from them.
Jimmy is amazing. Praise God.
Jimmy Aikin is very cheery. Impossibly happy
Yep! James White is quite patronizing… and he just seems angry with his wanna-be “gotcha” questions. Meanwhile, Jimmy Akin is calm, kind and respectful. There’s a massive difference of behavior and attitude between these 2 men. That alone is evidence of which Church brings one closer to God’s graces.
By their fruits you will know them. Thank you Jimmy Akin for your service to the Church and your humble, joyful manner. Pax
White got smoked glory to Jesus
"Do not go beyond what is written." 1Corinthians 4:6
Therefore, brethren, stand fast, and hold the traditions which ye have been taught, whether by word, or our epistle. 2 Thessalonians 2:15
You are aware that the audience Paul was writing too Defintiely didn’t have the gospels right
@@bansheebrethren797😂 there is no such thing as "definitely" in theology. Paul quotes from the gospel of Luke.
Sola Scriptura is a tradition of men. Was never explicitly taught before Luther. If it were so important, one of the early Church fathers would have brought it up!
@@jaguarspeedchurch fathers: hold on to traditions. Luther: no.
Lol
You get the dunce cap of the year award. Those in antiquity certainly DID believe the supremacy of Scripture over all else. Here's a bunch which should shut you up. Care for 25 more?
No, I didn't think so.
Augustine: "Now who is it that submits to divine Scripture, save he who reads it piously, deferring to it as of SUPREME authority... "
(Our Lord's Sermon on the Mount, Book I, ch XI).
"For I confess to your charity that I have learned to yield this respect and honor to the canonical books of Scripture; of these ALONE do I most firmly believe the authors were completely free from error" (NPNF1, Vol 1, Letters of St. Augustine, Letter 82, ch 1.3
"Better far that I should read with certainty and persuasion of its truth the Holy Scipture, placed on the highest (even the heavenly) pinnacle of authority... " (ibid. ch 2.5)
"But we wished to show that the Scriptures of our religion, whose authority we prefer to all writings whatsoever..." (NPNF1, vol II, The City of God, Book XIV, ch 7).
"This shows that the established authority of Scripture must outweigh every other" (NPNF1, vol I, Reply to Faustus the Manichaean, Book XIII.5).
"But who can fail to be aware that the sacred canon of Scripture... stands so absolutlely in a superior position to all later letters of the bishops...but that all the letters of bishops which have been written, or are being written since the closing of the canon, are liable to be refuted if there be anything contained in them which strays from the truth." (NPNF1, vol IV, On Baptism, Against the Donatists, Book II, ch 3).
"Owning unhestitating assent to nothing but the canonical Scriptures" (NPNF1, vol V, On Nature & Grace, ch 71).
CYRIL OF ALEXANDRIA: "Sufficient, sufficient for this are the Scriptures of the holy Fathers, which if anyone will diligently study, he would immediately have his mind filled with divine light." ("The Divine Rule of Faith", translated by William Goode, vol 3, p. 281-2, "De SS. Trinitate Dialogus I.)
"Therefore the inspired Scripture is abundantly SUFFICIENT, even so, that those who have been nourished by it ought to come forth wise and very prudent..." (ibid, p. 282-3, "Contra Julian, Lib. VII).
JUSTIN MARTYR: "Moreover, I would wish that all...do not keep themselves away from the words of the Savior. For they possess a terrible power in themselves and are SUFFICIENT to inspire those who turn from the path of rectitude with awe..." (ANF, vol 1, Dialogue of Justin, ch. 8).
TERTULLIAN: "From what other source could they derive their arguments concerning the things of the faith except from the records of the faith?" (ANF, Vol 3, Prescription against Heretics", chap 14). "If it is no where written, then let the woe which impends [be upon] all who add to or take away from the written word." (ANF, Vol 3, Against Hermogenes, ch. 22).
"It will be your duty, however, to adduce your proofs out of the Scriptures as plainly as we do." (ANF, Vol 3, "Against Praexes 10,11).
@@mojo7495 You seem have inherited the spirit of the Pharisees, but instead of looking for a way to put Christ to death, you look for proof texts (out of context) to justify your doctrines of men in place of the Church Christ actually founded. For one, Augustine would HAVE confirmed the seven books of the Old Testament your "doctrine of men" removed.
@@jaguarspeed Open your bible to the table of contents. It fails right there. And ... scripture never says ANYTHING about Sola Scriptura.
@@MythwrightWorkshop Your dingbat reply has no substance whatsoever, let alone do you provide any proof, when I AM THE ONE who provided the quotes from those in days gone by (with 25 others to sink your theological ship as well). And spare me that old-standby Catholic excuse, "OUTA CONTEXT". No, rather, you are OUTA YER MIND.
The fact that Auggie may have been sympathetic to the Apocrypha is NOT THE POINT, oh thou fool. His devotion to the sufficiency of Scripture (as all the others were) whatever he (they) thought it was, izzzzz the point, and you are refuted.
James White's understanding of apostolic tradition is just untrue, and moronic. I was hoping for a good faith debate but he's pathetic.
Let's all reply like you did.
Let's keep it balanced. To say that James White was pathetic shows that you are NOT reasonable. They both made their points through scripture.
Keeping in the spirit of your argument. Let's also say that Jimmy was Pathetic.
@@polokucoch8112 White's points were awful, he did not even attempt to prove the resolution, he spent his tim painting "Rome" as the villain.
Jimmy instead actually stuck to talking about the resolution, and he successfully proved it's false.
It's clear as day that they did not approach the debate in the same way, White was constantly misdirecting the Audience with talks about "ooh Rome bad" knowing that Jimmy couldn't have responded, because it's a discussion about Sola Scriptura and he had prepared arguments about Sola Scriptura.
White even failed to deny convincingly Jimmy's proof that Sola Scriptura doesn't meet its own test, your position is just incoherent pal.
@@tafazziReadChannelDescription Are you DRUNK? What was the topic of the debate? It was on Sola Scriptura. Of course, James would prepare for that!! Are you seriously DRUNK? Just that fact alone tells me that you are waaaay off base.
Did you hear what James said? He said that Jimmy didn't even respond to the points he made and instead, Jimmy made a powerpoint slide that didn't address the points James made. How can you prepare a powerpoint rebuttal without knowing what your opponent is saying??? Again, Waaaaay off base.
And whether you believe in Sola Scriptura or not, if your powerpoint has virtually ZERO scripture to support or rebut arguments then that means that these are Jimmy's thoughts. That's the last guy I want to trust.
Dr. James White clearly defined Sola Scriptura. Whether you want to accept that or not is another matter.
I think this sums it up well :
Jimmy : "God guides the pope so that he doesn't make mistakes"
James White's response - "God guides the pope so that he doesn't make mistakes???"
My response : "Is Jimmy on DRUGS?"
@@polokucoch8112 Correct. Polo is coo-coo for Cocoa Puffs.
@@polokucoch8112 IF you are protestant, THEN you can only use scripture to prove sola scriptura (which James failed)
But if you are NOT PROTESTANT, you are NOT RELEGATED to scripture alone to make your case.
God voice speaks through the heavens, other people, circumstances in our own lives, art, music (that glorified Him) AND YES, History and Logic!
Sola scriptura cannot defend sola scriptura. Theres so much MORE evidence against it
Anyone with a little bit of honesty would clearly see what James White is doing here. Gutter behavior and debate tactics. Shame on him... Glory to God
He's trying to distract the audience by bringing things up that are irrelevant to the debate since he has no answer.
@@IoannesVI it's incredible that the debate is supposed to be about James White defending Sola Scriptura, yet he looked to be on the offensive way more than Jimmy was. I thank God for Jimmy... kept his head, calm and kept exposing James's tactics
Because Trent Horn doesn't use cheap and shady debate tactics amirite? I bet you love him.
Sola Dio Gloria??? LOL!
@@KnightFel show us
It's getting embarrassing for White now.
Literally used the same argument against Patrick Madrid and Trent Horn. Madrid especially mopped James, and the dude never learns.
@HellenicCatholic the Madrid debate was my crossing the Tiber moment. Trent Horn's debate against White on eternal security is what got me started on that journey home though.
@@RenegadeCatholic Amen, my brother in Christ! Thankful you found your way back to His home ❤️✝️
@HellenicCatholic thank you. I started as a fundamentalist baptist, and ended up Catholic.
He’s hoping that if he keeps repeating himself and his falsehoods, that people will just believe him.
Common Akin W
Jimmy did wonderful! Embarrassing for White
Amen!
Jimmy didn’t win. The obvious can’t be overcome with fluff.
@@orangemanbad Evangelical James White admits: “Protestants do not assert that Sola Scriptura is a valid concept during times of revelation. How could it be, since the rule of faith to which it points was at the very time coming into being?” (“A Review and Rebuttal of Steve Ray's Article Why the Bereans Rejected Sola Scriptura,” 1997, on web site of Alpha and Omega Ministries). By this admission, White has unwittingly proven that Scripture does not teach Sola Scriptura, for if it cannot be a “valid concept during times of revelation,” how can Scripture teach such a doctrine since Scripture was written precisely when divine oral revelation was being produced? Scripture cannot contradict itself. Since both the 1st century Christian and the 21st century Christian cannot extract differing interpretations from the same verse, thus, whatever was true about Scripture then also be true today. If the first Christians did not, and could not extract sola scriptura from Scripture because oral revelation was still existent, then obviously those verses could not, in principle, be teaching Sola Scriptura, and thus we cannot interpret them as teaching it either.
Why does James White always say, "Roman?" Doesn't he realize "Roman Catholic" is only one type of Catholic? There are a bunch of different Catholic Rites, with the Roman Rite being only one of them
I don’t think James White is referring to the Roman rite. When we call ourselves ‘Roman Catholics,’ it refers to submitting to the authority of the Bishop of Rome, also known as the Pope, Roman Pontiff, Patriarch of the West, etc. Catholics who attend the other eastern rites are also Roman Catholics.
but all these rites submit to Rome happily or begrudgingly.
I think he wants to Demonize us a bit. Ties us to the Romans... those that did the actual crucifiction. Because, in this mind if he just says Catholics, it just doesn't have that punch.
But just a tiny opinion here.
@AgnusDeiX Makes sense. Different senses of the same word.
I think he's trying to poison the well since Jesus was technically sentenced to death by the Romans.
Mr . WHITE YOUR AN AWESOME PROTESTANT. YOUR SOLA SCRIPTURA DEBATES CONTINUE TO BRING CONVERTS TO THE One True Holy catholic and Apostolic church. God Bless you Mr. White. 🙏
The Theotokos will bless him greatly for his service to the Bride of Christ. Catholic Apologist of the Year: James White.
You could not be more wrong agape jiu jitsu.
Hail Mary, full of grace, the Lord is with thee. Blessed art thou amongst women, and blessed is the fruit of thy womb, Jesus. Holy Mary, Mother of God, pray for us sinners, now and at the hour of our death. Amen.❤🙏
Amen and praise the Lord God Almighty 🌹✝️🌹❤️🔥✝️❤️🔥🕊✝️🕊
Idolater.
There is only One Mediator between God and Man:the man Jesus Christ.
Heretic alert
@@jordantheriverman6143 I have never heard your argument. Interesting.
Leading others into heresy is a grave sin. This should be taken to the church.
If your brother sins against you go and tell him his fault, between you and him alone … But if he does not listen, take one or two others with you … If he refuses to listen … tell it to the church; and if he refuses to listen even to the church, let him be to you as a Gentile and a tax collector. (Mt. 18:15-17)
The historical church has repeatedly shot down Sola Scriptura.