Power of friendship isn't that bad tbh. People prefer edgy over cheesy when both can be lame just gotta learn to give both a chance to see how nice they can be
@echolow5928 idk what you mean natsu usually needs help from either a powerup or he's just playing around. But also, the fairy tail magic system is odd. In that emotions fuel strength. So both good and bad emotions will make you stronger, and having low/no emotions will leave you at a disadvantage
I think the best definition for power systems is any mechanism or law that legitimises the strength and abilities of a character. It is generally not possible to explain magic powers that doesnt leave questions, and i think many authors run around in circles trying to do this. The point in a power system isnt to rationalise magic, its to have the viewer not feel lost, like a new overpowered villain doesnt feel like bs out of nowehere that exists only in relation to the protagonist.
I cannot agree that "aspect of personality changing of Ichigo" is completely forgotten. Yeah, hollow mask becomes a usual transformation for him during arc, but if we look at his fights we are shown(or just stated) that he fights more aggressively(up till the end of final fight against Grimmjow), in fight with Ulquiorra we get full hollow transformation and all of the remaining arc Ichigo deals with fear of hollow again.
@@Zawaitonot saying this is a bad thing, but gege himself has said he took massive inspiration from nen. Of course, he added his own things to it (domain expansion, reversed cursed technique, etc.)
@@Luke-eq5kx i know, i was genuinely asking cause aside from binding vows i dont see any similarities You cant choose your own ability in jjk. You dont "need" nen to be strong in HxH. You dont have special properties for CE in jjk. You dont have creatures made entirely of nen in HxH (afaik from the anime). Nen is extremely technical, customizable and trainable. CE is literally a curse upon the character that he's trying to take the best of it so i dont see how CT and Nen are the same...
should we even be considering Full cowling as a transformation or power up in the first place. because it is never treated as one. its just a method for Midoriya to limit his output; and therefor not destroy his body with the near maximum output he had been using before then. he can choose to increase his output; but the consequence is that if he goes over the limit of what his body can handle, his limbs get fucked up. These consequences alter how he approaches his fighting style later in the series because it got to the point that he fucked up his arms to the extent that he needed to incorporate more kicks into his fighting style and only limit the output to what he can control at that time. hell would we even be having this conversation if it wasnt something that was visually communicated to the audience. and just treated as limiting his output. but instead it could be explained to the audience with a parallel like "OFA being the voltage that needs to be limited so that the lightbulb doesnt explode" or something. there obviously had to be a point we the physical consequences need to decrease in emphasis and shift towards something like; him being negligent with his body enables the villain to win or something. shifting from a physical consequence to a consequence of character. putting your body on the line is admirable but not if it prevents you from dealing with another threat that shows their ugly mug immediately afterwards.
I can see why you dislike full cowling but the thing is first of all, the way he was using his power before was not viable at all and he would probably die by the time he fought overhaul. Second it still has a limit and to deal great damage he has to input more energy which can damage himself. for example the muscular fight. It also allows deku to fight with more versatility. I will say we see deku faces less drawbacks currently but to be fair he has other powers now.
my favourite power system/concept are the devil in chansaw man, not because of their strength, but because of how they are implemented in the world. CSM is not a battle shonen, it's a drama with supernatural elements, we are not here to watch Denji become the strongest, devils aren't treated as a powerful source of energy that anyone can use, they are treated like *weapons* than would rather kill you instead of letting you use their power. People *fear* them, people *hate* them, and that makes them powerful. Another great point is that we see how the world reacts to devils, especially from the perspectives of normal people (who are actually treated like people instead of fodder), we see what powerful devils are doing around the world and how people respond to it. Due to this, most of the fights in CSM aren't based on power, but the characters. Denji doesn't get a crazy powerup, his only ability is to summon chainsaws and to regenerate, that's it. The main conflicts of the plot are not resolved by power, but by logic and motivations. Another great power system is Magic in Dorohedoro, because it's also treated like a weapon and we see the consequences done by it. Magic users treat non-magic users like lab rats, and non-magic users treat anyone with magic like animals. We also see the story from the perspective of both of them to give them personalities. Sometimes there'll be two characters who would probably be friends if it wasn't for the racial conflict in the society. The world feels alive, even though characters are killed left and right. And while there *are* revival methods, they can also be delayed by someone else.
Personally, I think hxh does equivalent exchange far better than JJK. In hxh, the value of what you lose depends on how important it is to the user. With Shalnark, we see that remembering fights must be really important because he gets a huge boost from losing that. But in JJK, it's a lot more objective, there's no indication that binding vows are based on what's personally important to the user, and as such, it loses that ability to tell us about characters. I get why Gege made the changes he did. CT from birth, negative emotions instead of all emotions, and a lack of personal expression in powers all lead to the hopeless and bleak world of JJK. As much as it's a flavor win, I think it's just an objectively worse power system than hxh.
I don’t want to debate which power system is ‘better’ but I do agree that the equivalent exchange in HxH is used a lot better than in JJK- everything from Kurapika’s vengeance to Gon’s sacrifice- it’s just used a lot better narratively.
To me, HxH has the best power system. In HxH, you can improve your power through training and, at the same time, use your nen uniquely. It is a good balance of power and intellect, which Naruto lost later on as it relied too much on massive power without strategy. One thing with JJK that I don't like, and they say it in the beginning, is that most of the power is based on talent, and training won't help.
@@ottosaviaro8452More like if you don’t care about losing a finger, you won’t gain a lot of power for cutting it off yourself. But if the plushy you got as a child is your most cherished object in the world and you willingly light that thing on fire, you might as well be a super saiyan for the rest of that fight.
@@mmangalisomasinga432 As true as that is... I _was _*_not_* one of those people who thought that it avoided feeling cheap, at times at least. I'll admit, I'm only on episode 70, but that still encompasses the main example (it _was_ basically the concepts introduction, after all). The fact that Kurapika was able to go from novice in nen the same way the other three were to being able to fight the strongest of the spiders, just... 🫤. As satisfying as Uvos beat down was, the Emperor time taking from his lifespan to allow him to become master of all varieties and increase power feels like it doesn't necessarily matter much when he's years away from being an adult and was on track to complete his goals before that would matter. I prefer such things to be more objective because it feels less BS to me when things are conceptually conserved and physical stats are more consistent _(another_ thing HxH had some problems, with. Although that's mostly just nitpicks like how Gon was able to break Illumis arm, Netero saying he'd take damage to Gons headbutt, etc. That's whatever, though). But I guess that's a matter of taste. 🤷🏾♂️
imo, tropes are never bad, whats bad is how they are used they should either have a reason within the story to be there ot some clever twist that makes the trope unique
Tropes kind of can’t be bad, otherwise they wouldn’t become established narrative devices. A trope is like a common phrase in a language. If you break it down, much of how we communicate is in pre-scripted phrases, with variations in the details to add particular context. Tropes are the same for storytelling.
The trope I like the most is kinda niche The dark magic is always accessible to anyone who is willing trope Father gets mad that eugenicist cops killed his daughter, goes into that part in the forest where everyone knows not to go, gains the power to get revenge. Guy does cannibalism gains power. Dude wants Sharingan so he kills someone and does a transplant, other dude goes further and goes for a full body transplant.
That's a nice trope too. Especially since it gives an actually good reason as to why the villain is so much stronger than everyone. Anyone can become just as powerful but not everyone is willing to sacrificially stab their own newborn child to do it.
Thinking about it, I feel like the power of friendship can be turned into an interesting power/magic system. A power that perhaps everyone has access to. Being able to convert your "friendship meter" with someone into raw power. It can be anything from pure strength or whatever magic attacks there are. The lower this friendship meter with someone goes the "lesser of a friend" they are to you. To the point that they can even become a stranger that doesn't even know you. This can give stakes as you can literally lose a valuable friendship with someone just for the sake of powering up. Now I feel like many would find a way to experiment on what this power system can be capable of. Perhaps the people in this world discovers that being known by many people to the point that para social relationships may be considered as a one sided "friendship" with someone. Which may make extremely popular people way too powerful. Adding to this, society and how people interact may change. Socializing a whole lot may became the norm if the power it gives is that more valuable. Introverted to socially anxious people may have quite the disadvantage. But perhaps they can have a much more valuable friendship with those that they are close to than others. Would losing a much more valuable friendship be worth the risk to defeat someone stronger?
No dude this would such a SICK CONCEPT!! This would be interesting for villains too because villains would get power of friendship buffs and would have to have close friendships.
@@crocoboi7936 I can imagine the villain be the friendliest person towards their subordinates. Yeah they are evil and all but they have an army of homies that they hang out with every Saturdays.
Ah, well, I don't agree with everything you say here, but each to their own. Like, personally, I tend to prefer a simple physical enhancement ability over a complicated system with a lot of sorta arbitrary rules. I'm also not very fond of powers having some specific cost or requiring careful resource management as opposed to simply being the result of a high degree of personal growth. Like, the whole point of Deku's initial approach to using One For All was that it was insanely reckless and dangerous, and his teachers were right to tell him to cut that shit out and figure out a smarter way to fight because he was ruining his body and by extension his career. You can't have a hero who maims himself every time he uses his power, that is a bad hero and it sets a bad precedent. Deku destroying his hands wasn't supposed to be "an interesting part of his power", it was a _serious problem_ he absolutely had to overcome. Full Cowl and Shoot Style were supposed to be important points of _character growth,_ because he finally learned to use his Quirk responsibly. This all ties into an issue in modern fantasy where heavily rule-based hard magic systems have been growing increasingly popular and I just kinda feel like it's ruining magic a bit. I don't think wondrous supernatural powers should really need _costs,_ they just need limitations. (Particularly in terms of scale and potency, but definitely not in versatility.) And if we're talking legit magic, I very much prefer to keep the mechanics and rules as simple as possible while allowing for potentially very complex applications. I do agree energy blast spamming is pretty boring, but mainly in the same sense that I tend to find gun fights less interesting than martial arts battles or a cool sword fight. There's just something about reducing a fantastical power to the equivalent of "a gun" that seems to me contrary to the point. It's kinda the least creative thing you can do. As for the Power of Friendship, eh, that's just another way of saying that motivation is a factor, and that's fine as long as it doesn't get too silly. (See: Aizen nearly cutting Ichigo in half and pointing out that you can't just will yourself to stand up when your abdominal muscles have been destroyed.) I'm totally fine with the idea that the heroes are able to generate more magic or soul-energy or whatever when they're fighting for something they really care about. That's even pretty realistic: People need strong motivators to push themselves.
this needs to be pointed, "equivalent exchange" power systems (that's how i like to call them because they always meatride the concept of a binding vow) can only hold up their charm so long until it becomes sufficating
I really enjoyed Fairy Tail. Power of friendship was a thing from early on, but it was rarely the best explanation for why a fight was won. For example, Natsu VS Jellal was decided by desperately taking a risk. Things changed as the series progressed though. Erza VS Irene was something that happened
Full cowling IS lame though. It's literally just Deku learning how to keep OfA at a low simmer instead of boiling over, no need to name it as if it's a fucking transformation.
@@foxxinrox that's Because it ISN'T a transformation, It's a technique that deku learned to properly utilise his quirk without saying goodbye to his limbs, him commiting self harm like an average emo kid wasn't a "interesting limitation", it was a major problem he had to overcome, full cowling is a solution, you need to understand this concept because JJk ruined us all with its power system, straight upgrades exist, some things are just objectively better other things.
@@johnnywick2460 You need some reading comprehension bro, that's literally what I said. It isn't a transformation, yeah, so why the fuck is he naming *using it correctly* "Full Cowling" *as if* it is a transformation? He's literally just using the quirk the way it should be used. Naming the basic, bare-minimum safe-to-handle output of the quirk is super cringe.
Man I just can’t agree that JJK has a good power system lol. Domains are a really cool idea but so much of JJK at this point is just arbitrary “Ah yes and I’ve utilized my gravitons and gravioli’s to off screen you when you thought you had me beat. I haven’t been pushed that far in a thousand years.” It’s just a much worse nen IMO and nowhere near as consistent. Doesn’t ever seem to follow its own rules.
My least favorite power system trope is when characters get super powerful abilities essentially because they were born with them instead of them doing anything to earn it. Because then a large part of the fights outcome comes down to who was born luckier to have better powers.
Because it's part of their essence just like some clan members have special things to do. That's not a bad trope at all. If powers and a set of rules are established and followed through then it's okay for them to do that.
Let's talk about innate talent then, shall we? The amount of innate talent is just pure luck. Also the nurturing was also pure luck. Everything is pure luck.
I mean, it depends. If they were born with it, but they still have to train to master it or use it properly, then it wouldn’t bother me that much because at least it feels earned. If it were the case where they were born with it but didn’t need to train or anything to use it and all it would take is innate talent, then it’d be more of a problem.
I do gotta mention stands from Jojo as an interesting power system Unique to the user and often ridiculously specific in their abilities,they bring a lot of setting up,ambushing and very interesting situations to properly work A fine example.for me is Catch the rainbow fron part 7,which esentially makes the user control rain,to the point of making droplets bullets and standing on them A completely situational power but its fight really shines in the sense that its running the clock for clear skies ,not directly defeating the guy
Dislikes full cowling because it's just an upgrade (It's not and completely changes his fighting style). Loves Gon's full adult transformation (Literally just a power up that goes away after the fight). I think there is just some childish logic here.
One of the few times I've seen the power of friendship done right is one piece, mainly thinking of the end of enies lobby. What works about it is that luffy is putting himself at a detriment because he's unsure of whether usopp wants to stay on the crew, and he only manages to get the motivation to keep fighting when Usopp says the exact thing he needed to hear, much like what Luffy did for Robin in the same arc
You forgotten about when the series break it's power system, for example toji being someone with zero curse energy but having a body that can tango with special grade curses and sorcerers
May sound odd but i actually dislike nen for a few reasons. One being that, in my opinion, it's overrated. It has enormous potential, sure, but most of the time characters are one trick ponies; they have only one ability which could be classified as a "quirk" (same as My Hero Academia), on top of "punch hard" and "take punch". At least that's the image you get from watching the anime, maybe the manga is different. The complex and elaborate categories and various ways of using nen become background noise if each character only does one thing. The second, bigger issue is, that its equivalent exchange system is absolutely ridiculous and busted. A more specific ability being stronger is very intuitive, it feel like a "fair" tradeoff. But the way it is implemented in the world is inorganic. I'm talking about how nen users can make up whatever restrictions they want to power up their abilities. It doesn't explain one bit how their powers suddenly grow stronger. It also means that virtually anyone can beat anyone, given that he is willing to sacrifice his future/life/something similar (as seen with Gon's transformation). The writer really did not think through the meaning of a power system like that. This world should be ruled or at least terrorized by preachers, zealots and cultists that amass and attract people who are willing to do anything for their leaders. It means soldiers can ravage countries, given that they are brainwashed and mentally prepared to sacrifice their lives. Even if you don't get into politics and what this means on a worldly scale, most fights to the death should result in both sides dying, simply because the losing side can become arbitrarily strong by accepting their death.
Not really sure you get restrictions. Restrictions can give you power but not unlimited power since they are still dependent on your willpower or nen level as for how they get stronger it's because you quite literally are stopping your nen potential in one area and trading it off for another
@@h.a3212That still doesn't mean that nen is _not_ overrated as all Hell. Because it is. Really, I feel as if most, if not _all_ power systems in anime/manga are rather overrated a lot of the time, in my opinion. Even ones that I personally like, like the magic system of Black Clover, or Quirks from My Hero Academia. :P. I can think that a power system is awesome, whilst also acknowledging how overrated they are or can be. :P. Doesn't mean I stop liking them at all, though. :P.
Unlimited restrictions (they aren't) and thus power gain means nothing politically because nen users are incredibly rare. Then nen users who can actually meaningfully sacrifice their future power is even less. Gon's potential was said to be one in 10 million
Even the good tropes can be executed badly,for example an equivalent exchange moment where the character has a loophole that narratively doesn't make sense (Though even a loophole could be written well).Such an example is Yuta's binding vow in JJK 0
true lmao, I see the JJK power system as simply "everyone has energy, everyone has their own unique power" not different than most battle shonen shows.
@@pengen_gantinama What's wrong with everyone having an energy and their own unique power? Would you rather the whole cast walk around doing the same things in an inexplicable way over and over again? I agree jjk has a generic power system but that's definitely not the reason.
"the power of friendship" could be used in junction with the equivalent exchange. not specifically the friendship part, more the emotions part. like, hear me out here: emotions, could possibly be turned into mana. of course, the good emotions like joy and excitement wouldn't be too efficient to turn into energy, but it would explain the sudden surge in energy when something happens. when a character is experiencing deep sorrow/sadness/grief, they can sorta channel it and use that as a fuel source for power. since that emotion would be very deep and dense, it would really give them a huge boost. of course, with the tradeoff of maybe not being able to control yourself due to the strong emotions. most characters would only use it subconsciously, of course, you probably don't really wanna make them aware of that happening. but it definitely would explain that sort of like: "my friend died in battle, time to unlock a new power :3" and it could be used in a pretty interesting way too, like a character which purposefully keeps themselves full of hatred and despise, because they know they can use it to fuel their powers. maybe instead of killing that character, they just counter him by... idk... fuckin', giving him a happy meal or something lmao making him lose that strong negative emotion and greatly lowering his power output.
One of my least favourite tropes is the: "I am running out of energy trope." That always happens at the "right" time and the authors use it as an excuse for certain things to happen in a certain way. I can understand it sometimes, but if it's done to many times it gets annoying. Naruto has this problem. But then One Piece doesn't, because it's power system doesn't work that way. You don't run out of Devil Fruit power or you don't run out of Haki. Your physical state determines how well you can use those things. It's all about how much actual damage you take. And for example with Bleach that has a more similar energy source to Naruto, very rarely will a character say that they are running out of Spiritual Pressure.
True, I wanted to point this out, but it felt like it would be weird to say I hated that trope while also praising the existence of energy that fuelled abilities 😅
Actually in One Piece you run out of "stamina" which is almost the same thing, especially with Gear 5 Luffy (Bro can fight Kaido four time then 1UP himself to go on Gear 5 then lose his power but can regain it thanks to his will power...But now in egghead he can't even do that and need food or whatever after a two chapter confrontation). You can't really avoid that trope unless it's a really hard power system
@@idk4435 But at least with G5 Luffy it was established even with G4 already that he runs out of Haki and stamina. Which no other character has. And when he was turning small from G3 or needed a lot of food because he burned so much energy with G2. And I don't mind G5 being so limited on time because it is beyond broken. Imagine if G5 had no stamina issues at all. He would be unbeatable and basically what Luffy will be at the end of the series. Luffy is already basically top 1 but his stamina with G5 limits him. Although I don't like it as well.
I was leaving a nice long comment on how Black Clover does the power of friendship trope pretty well with examples and everything to get my point across and then the UA-cam app just closed itself deleting all of it, it’s 1 AM and I am not typing all of that on a touch screen again, I hate UA-cam so much. Anyways comment for the algorithm cause I know it helps.
full cowling and dekus entire progression up until they say fuck it give him 5 quirks and make him the strongest in the verse over night is really well done. quirks are like muscles irl. you dotn wake up and discover instead of curling normally you can idk, invert your wrists and that gives you more power for your exercises. there is only one way to get stronger and that is to work out. there is one way for deku to get stronger. work out, train his body. his finger flicks and simple but contextually revolutionary idea to use his legs are good power ups and show him min maxing his quirk. quirks arent like conventional human body parts they are unique to each and every person. two explosion users might be bale to use the same concept to get more power but they arent the same. we see deku training with other heroes like uraraka when he finds out about his other quirks. there is over lap but everyone has to find their own way to use their power. what works for endevor might not work for todoroki and definitely not dabi. that's to say deku found unique ways along with the gear he had to make his power shine in his verse and most importantly be versatile. he has super strength but he doesn't have projectiles so his gauntlets with his finger flicks serve as projecties, even more epseicifially he tried to get more impact out of them while minimizing damage by increasing the power he used right at the moment of impact. full cowling was a great moment for deku because even though its seemingly simple it is a revolutionary way to use something mundane like super strength. mha is a good show because it makes something as simple as super strength interesting, creative and innovative. these innovations also play into dekus innovative nature and one of his core character traits. his love for being a hero. its proof the years he spent analyzing even though he was powerless were not in vain. saying that these are just him getting more force or more energy is ignoring the contextual significance of the improvements and how they map together in the grand scheme of things. not once do we really ee deku train to use more percent. what we do see is how he can get more out of what he has and over time we see him gain more percentage. like a body over time adjusting and building muscle even if you're improving your technique at the same time. you have to understand rthat just because something isn't flashy doesn't mean it isn't well written or good for the story which his often more important than being flashy. yuji is literally powerless but he is entertaining to watch fight because of how his strength and improvement work with the story.
Do you think World Trigger has the energy projectile power done right? The gunner/shooter projectile actually felt threatening unless the target is using a shield. But even then the shield can be countered by using multi directional shots or just use slower but stronger projectile. Most projectile-type power doesn't feel threatening for me because even when they hit, the target usually doesn't shown to be damaged except for little bruises. Even fireballs in anime rarely does burn the target. But the trion body in World Trigger allows the character to show visible damage done by each attack including the projectiles without actually killing them.
@@pintschannel Now you must watch World Trigger, it's imperative, you can't reject it. 🫵 lol jk, the power system of world trigger are a bit different from other battle shonen shows, it is uncannily felt like a video game system (but doesn't felt like common RPG esque anime like SAO or Solo Leveling either). It is as good as people said.
I don’t remember where I saw it but I remember one trope that I hate sm. It’s when they get a power buff and it’s explained later how they did it. It just takes away from the moment in the fight.
Tbh, i see pointless your point on the hollow mask. The hollow mask initially gave ichigo more strength and also changing him to a more sadistic personality, and he needed to defeat his inner hollow so he can get stronger and also so this personality wont take over him. He manages to suppress his inner hollow that in an arc dedicated to characters with both shinigami and hollow powers, so, why would he still have some kind of drawback when using the hollow mask when he already suppressed White? I mean, i dont really see the issue with it, even though the video can summarize to "powers with big drawbacks better", you are kinda overlooking the thing that ichigo had to deal with, since he could have died to a bunch of rogue shinigami because he couldn't suppress white in his inner world (of course he wouldn't die because the story wont allow it but same goes for a character like Kurapika where obviously he wouldn't kill himself by misusing his power) And you can basically dismiss the black flash drawback because **manga spoiler** Yuji is straight spamming black flash like nothing, which looks cool but he is straight ignoring the luck thing that is needed so the black flash can be performed
Recent manga chapters have basically confirmed that black flash isn't about luck but about mentality, they happen when you are determined to overcome something. Yuji hit his first 9 black flashes on special grade curses, this includes mahito who Yuji straight up despises. Mahito hit his black flashes to become a true curse. Sukuna hit his first black flash to prove that sorcery is stronger than the body. Yuji's seven consecutive black flashes make sense considering he's determined to kill the strongest sorcerer in history.
@@notfunnydidntlaugh5270 that kinda makes sense but then, what's even the point of bringing up a gojo flashback talking about the black flash relying in some percentage to luck factors such as the environment you are in
@@juggram_99 Blackflash are ans were always explained as an "lucky" occurence. But somehow mentality always play a big part in it because you gotta be "focus" to do it. But in my opinion, Blackflashs are just canon asspull, shit can boost you and shit while being straight up luck or "mentality" (literally how is power of friendship bad but blackflash good...?)
@@idk4435black flash doesn't boost you it puts you in the zone which is a real life thing btw that pro athletes experience while also alllowing you to understand the flow of cursed energy better because you are applying the cursed energy in like 0.000001 seconds
@@zarc1145Bro just read the manga lmao blackflash DEFINITELY boost you, it can even give you a whole power up or recover your CE. Stop tryna put real life situations in the bullshit JJK tryna do, life just don't work like that.
I'll leave this here in hopes it gets more recognition. The Shinsoo system in Tower of God is genuinely one of the best power system there is. "Oh, but isnt it just some generic ass energy system" NO! You could NOT be more wrong! But i dont blame you, the anime didnt do it justice. Put it simply, shinsoo is water. Divine water if you will. It is present all throughout the Tower. And the higher the floor, the higher the concentration of it, such as water, which pressure gets higher and higher the deeper you go. Every person, through a contract, can be able to influence shinsu, contr it to some degree. Some more special people are able to make it their own, breaking the rules of the Tower But shinsoo gets more complex with more and more analogies to water, like the concept of Bang, Myun and Soo, that are aspects essential to the offensive uses of it. Put it simply, myun and soo relate to the amount of shinsoo and the density of it, both amazing concepts that get overshadowed by the more visible one, Bang. Bang is the single cluster of shinsoo and defines how many attacks you can throw at once. The mental strength required to controw 2 bangs is the same you would need to create and control another arm through your mind alone, as you have to focus on both equally for them to not lose shape and fail on you while also keeping in mind everything in combat. This simple scene cut from the anime (the decided glazing baams potential was better than worldbuilding) is the grounds to which we can use follow the growth of our main cast. And this is just the beginning. With the second season we discover than shinsoo can be used and wielded in so many different ways. Shinsoo has, for example, a natural shape in which it flows for every being. It has also a quality, an element of sort that, instead of following nature, it follows the user's individuality, like princess yuri's rose petals or the black march black shinsoo. Second season explores this so well, it is a shame SIU lost control of its power scaling in season 3, downgrading this amazing system with depth and complexity into a lightshow
ok but when it comes to straight stat buffs, we can all agree the exception is just the one mf who got no special powers and just straight hands, that is always cool to just watch someone throw hands with someone firing off spells and whatnot also this reminds me i gotta watch HxH, hadnt started cuz, yk, hiatus x hiatus is one hell of a nickname, but i remember hearing at least the manga came back recently which means the anime will to eventually, so might be time to start it cause ive heard nothing but praise for it
Most of jjk’s power system is inspired by somthing else (which most of not every power system is inspired by somthing else) but people think for it to be inspired by somthing it must be the exact same, no inspired aspects take somthing from somthing else and add their own idea to it
Personally, I also dislike full cowling and I completely understand your dislike of it. I even dislike the addition of Deku's other quirks and given your reasoning explained in the video don't understand why you didn't even mention this. However, your dislike of full cowling is vastly different than mine. As you explained in this video, you dislike full cowling due to it just being a bored flat out power buff, which I dislike as well. However, the thing that I dislike the most about full cowling is how it entirely removes the whole gimmick of equivalent exchange in OFA. Instead of having a limit and having drawbacks, this trope is entirely removed when he gets it. Now yes, I do understand that Deku has a limit with full cowling and does still use the equivalent exchange of OFA every now and then, as shown in the muscular fight/that whole arc, or the first portion of the Overhaul fight. But I dislike full cowling because I feels as if it subtracts from the story. Sure, it was inevitable that Deku would eventually gain more control over OFA, hence the introduction of full cowling, however most of the time he ended up just relying on full cowling to win a fight and ended up doing so without any repercussions. I just dislike full cowling and his additional quirks because they subtract from the story, making it go from a complex and well crafted story to a boring fight compilation. My personal favorite arc is the whole camp/retrieving Bakugo arc, as he just lets his emotions get the best of him and completely ditches full cowling, leading to an incredible arc with consequences and character development. Although, I will say that the most recent chapters of the manga do look like they are beginning to head in the right direction with Deku despite all of his growth, returning to his mindset of "i can win if i sacrifice myself", which is really in character for him. Sorry for my yapping and maybe this is the point you wanted to make too but didn't want to make your vid just ranting about Deku. Great vid btw your quality is as good as always. Edit: please stop replying with hate, first off to rephrase what i said in the paragraph above, i dont hate full cowling, i dislike how it became the go to solve all problems instantly button because i just think that the fight choreography when deku uses full cowling is a bit worse at times (although the overhaul fight is an exception) and this is likely due to the problem of every chapter being almost weekly therefore resulting in loss of passion and hence quality (btw i dont hate deku idk where you got that from)
WAIT, I DIDN'T EVEN THINK ABOUT THAT!? What made old OFA so great to watch was the fact that it functioned with Equivalent Exchange... Deku would gain insurmountable strength at the price of possibly breaking his body. Thank you so much for pointing this out!
What kind of sorry garbage media literacy is this? The main character being able to actually fight for extended periods of time is bad? Yes, OFA was unique in the fact that every attack butchered a part of his body, but there’s no way that fighting style would’ve ever been sustainable for a full story. The only reason your “personal favorite arc” even works is because he learned full cowling but made the conscious choice to abandon it.
yeah. For Example, I like the Bijju Transformations more then the Hollow one? even if sick designs, especially cause the dread of the inner beast was alot stronger there. but like, as a Power system I enjoy Sage Mode more as a concept then say, Super Sayajin. give a bit more flair. (Jirayia more fun transformation.
I disagree a little in the sense that the cused energy is extremely limited compared to the nen because for the cused energy is only used for certain common capacities which are counted on the finger of the hand I mean even without techniques this aura could do much more
thank you you understand me I mean it's a power system so not developed it just develops for a particular character and reuses the same sauce for all other characters
I mean this guy clearly didn't even read the manga because I can say for sure that "binding vows" are a REALLY bad way to write "lose something, gain something", I won't spoil but eh.
@@xandex69 First of all : I think the first problem is that binding vow are not even clearly explained by the author, bro can't even show or tell what's the consequences of breaking a binding vow to save his life. Then, They don't even take context or feeling into account (like come on) They're not particularly varied (and that's criminal because we saw how nanami was smart with it, should have that more often) They are absurdly under-used (this should be spammed by most exorcists but again most of exorcists are trash so the author doesn't have to fleshed out his world so whatever).
Honestly I think fairy tail gets a lot hate for the power of friendships but it's not often used in fights, the problem is fairy tail is a anime about friendships/family but because that's the main theme of the story it's esey to sey some fights are won thanks to the power of friendship while most are not not all fight I can acknowledged it uses that bullshit sometimes and at the worst moment but i don't think it ruins story or power system The power system I love is like the one in one pieces, mha and of course fairy tails , there isn't a power system in those story's just random powers and thair ability and limits I love those kinds because it shows the author creativity and flexibility it also shows the authors pure writing abilities because in these power systems there aren't hard restrictions and the author can use any bullshit thay want to write characters out of problems so whan thay don't or often make new problems it creates interesting plot developments.
Black clover has some great potential with the characters and powers. But it's always the power of friendship or locking in. Every fight, every character. Painful to watch.
My favourite power system gotta be stands from JJBA, every character has a unique and (in most cases) very creative power, maybe besides part 3 stands, in conclusion stands are much better than hamon
I fucking roll my eyes when I see someone say “I hate Fairy Tail, because it uses the power of friendship.” Especially when they themselves never watched the series itself to even know that’s the case. I seen practically every episode of of it and the only real time I seen the power of friendship’s happening was literally in the FINAL FIGHT of the damn anime. (Not including 1000 years quest, because I haven’t watched it yet) Most of the time in the series, a friend helps contribute in the defeat of the villain in the arcs, but sometimes the main cast has to solo their fights and win on their own merits. People who don’t watch the series, look at it on a very surface level, and/or are pushing agendas will say Fairy Tail relies on the power of friendship to win against the main villains. To people like that, I want y’all to really shut the fuck up sometimes I swear man. 🤦🏾
first time u were talking about hollow mask he couldnt contorl it, and the one actualy fighting was "hollow" whos personality is complete difrent. Ichigo later learned how to control hollow mask (but for very low time) so i wouldnt say its just basic transformation
Dekus full cowl isnt a transformatuon to me. Its just an application of his powers. Instead of focusing OFA in a single part of his body, he spreads it out so he's likely to break himself. However, I still dont like full cowl narrativly speaking as it removes tensions and stakes of deku having to break his body. Muscular fight was the most intense fight in mha, as it was the last time deku had broke his body. During the fight he knew full cowl but still deliberately broke his arms because it was the only way to defeat muscular. I wish more of his fights were written like this to where deku had to strategically decide if he needed to 100% in a single part, or spread it out, or managing the percentage on his body. This would lead to more strategical battles and higher stakes as deku has the choice to break his body if he really really really needs to.
I heavily disagree with full cowling being boring. Full cowling has some strategic element to it as well, its unreasonable to expect a main character who can have no changes to his power throughout the series and if anything it would be much more boring seeing the other cast members grow when deku is still finger blasting. Full cowling imo adds more depth to one for all (or at least to deku as a one for all user). Because deku has sacrificed being unable to use his maximum output in return for being able to use a much lower output and maintaining stability and longevity, But he still is able to fire off 100% one for all blasts whenever he finds an opponent worth destroying his own body to defeat. While i agree that simple enhancement is boring you gotta acknowledge that the continuous destruction of his body to fight just about anyone was getting old very fast and it would feel garbage for the main character to be unable to contend with the verse's top tiers purely because he never learned how to grow or optimize or become more efficient with his ability.
Okay so bro is just a hater. Like this guy cannot stop glazing a couple shows and will not stop relentlessly hating others lol. And he dirctly contradicts himself at the end LMAOO
Can u please make some type-moon content it’s the strongest franchise in anime with their base abilities giving them immeasurable speed. & my power scaling subs & playlist r all the proof we need, my other subs etc. prove it also has the best written characters in anime. Like generic anime channel’s shirou vid, it’s billion$ budget & ufotable even come together to give us peak animation of any year they drop or period.
Double and a half of its effect. Let's say the damage his punches do had a numerical value. Like idk maybe 10 dmg. So, with a black flash he'd do 25 dmg = 20 + 5/(10x2) + (10÷2). It's oddly specific but it works ig.
It's actually an increase to the power of 2.5, 100 dmg would turn into 100000dmg. realistically this would vaporize any opponent but the author doesn't know how numbers work (x^2.5 just means x^2 * sqrt(x))
@@notfunnydidntlaugh5270 Literally he dosent lmao. He wrote gojo abilities as mathematical terms. and somehow adding negative and positive creates imaginary in cursed energy lmao
its not fair to judge a series if you haven't watched it. You have to form your own opinion on it to provide reasons as to why you don't like the series. I like the video but disagree on the fairy tail segment.
how tf are you gonna hate on Fairy Tail and you haven’t even watched or read it? the manga is beautiful and hype as hell. you really lost me on that one, man. don’t judge an entire series based on people trash talking it online.
12:31 its not forgotten the mask simply never had such an effect the scenes you showed earlier are white the hollow controling ichigo not the hollow mask power up
The power of friendship is goated ,when all your friends die and their screaming souls give you more power
I mean if they're all dead it's less corny ig 😭
Power of friendship isn't that bad tbh. People prefer edgy over cheesy when both can be lame just gotta learn to give both a chance to see how nice they can be
"Power of Friendship".
You gain it by losing friends in battle.
What an irony.
@echolow5928 I don't think anyone in these comment sections watched fairy tail cause that is not how it works lmao😭
@echolow5928 idk what you mean natsu usually needs help from either a powerup or he's just playing around. But also, the fairy tail magic system is odd. In that emotions fuel strength. So both good and bad emotions will make you stronger, and having low/no emotions will leave you at a disadvantage
I think the best definition for power systems is any mechanism or law that legitimises the strength and abilities of a character. It is generally not possible to explain magic powers that doesnt leave questions, and i think many authors run around in circles trying to do this. The point in a power system isnt to rationalise magic, its to have the viewer not feel lost, like a new overpowered villain doesnt feel like bs out of nowehere that exists only in relation to the protagonist.
I cannot agree that "aspect of personality changing of Ichigo" is completely forgotten. Yeah, hollow mask becomes a usual transformation for him during arc, but if we look at his fights we are shown(or just stated) that he fights more aggressively(up till the end of final fight against Grimmjow), in fight with Ulquiorra we get full hollow transformation and all of the remaining arc Ichigo deals with fear of hollow again.
So you realize half of Jjks power system is just nen
More like 75%
Is it tho? It doesnt really feel like nen
@@Zawaitonot saying this is a bad thing, but gege himself has said he took massive inspiration from nen. Of course, he added his own things to it (domain expansion, reversed cursed technique, etc.)
@@Luke-eq5kx i know, i was genuinely asking cause aside from binding vows i dont see any similarities
You cant choose your own ability in jjk. You dont "need" nen to be strong in HxH. You dont have special properties for CE in jjk. You dont have creatures made entirely of nen in HxH (afaik from the anime). Nen is extremely technical, customizable and trainable. CE is literally a curse upon the character that he's trying to take the best of it so i dont see how CT and Nen are the same...
@@Zawaito binding vows are nen pacts cursed techniques are hatsu
should we even be considering Full cowling as a transformation or power up in the first place. because it is never treated as one. its just a method for Midoriya to limit his output; and therefor not destroy his body with the near maximum output he had been using before then. he can choose to increase his output; but the consequence is that if he goes over the limit of what his body can handle, his limbs get fucked up. These consequences alter how he approaches his fighting style later in the series because it got to the point that he fucked up his arms to the extent that he needed to incorporate more kicks into his fighting style and only limit the output to what he can control at that time.
hell would we even be having this conversation if it wasnt something that was visually communicated to the audience. and just treated as limiting his output. but instead it could be explained to the audience with a parallel like "OFA being the voltage that needs to be limited so that the lightbulb doesnt explode" or something.
there obviously had to be a point we the physical consequences need to decrease in emphasis and shift towards something like; him being negligent with his body enables the villain to win or something. shifting from a physical consequence to a consequence of character. putting your body on the line is admirable but not if it prevents you from dealing with another threat that shows their ugly mug immediately afterwards.
I can see why you dislike full cowling but the thing is first of all, the way he was using his power before was not viable at all and he would probably die by the time he fought overhaul. Second it still has a limit and to deal great damage he has to input more energy which can damage himself. for example the muscular fight. It also allows deku to fight with more versatility.
I will say we see deku faces less drawbacks currently but to be fair he has other powers now.
Damn bruh we literally watch the sam videos lmao 💀
@@xandex69 lol 😂
Does it even count as a transformation it’s just extension of his power lol
its dumb.
my favourite power system/concept are the devil in chansaw man, not because of their strength, but because of how they are implemented in the world.
CSM is not a battle shonen, it's a drama with supernatural elements, we are not here to watch Denji become the strongest, devils aren't treated as a powerful source of energy that anyone can use, they are treated like *weapons* than would rather kill you instead of letting you use their power. People *fear* them, people *hate* them, and that makes them powerful.
Another great point is that we see how the world reacts to devils, especially from the perspectives of normal people (who are actually treated like people instead of fodder), we see what powerful devils are doing around the world and how people respond to it. Due to this, most of the fights in CSM aren't based on power, but the characters. Denji doesn't get a crazy powerup, his only ability is to summon chainsaws and to regenerate, that's it. The main conflicts of the plot are not resolved by power, but by logic and motivations.
Another great power system is Magic in Dorohedoro, because it's also treated like a weapon and we see the consequences done by it. Magic users treat non-magic users like lab rats, and non-magic users treat anyone with magic like animals. We also see the story from the perspective of both of them to give them personalities. Sometimes there'll be two characters who would probably be friends if it wasn't for the racial conflict in the society. The world feels alive, even though characters are killed left and right. And while there *are* revival methods, they can also be delayed by someone else.
Personally, I think hxh does equivalent exchange far better than JJK.
In hxh, the value of what you lose depends on how important it is to the user. With Shalnark, we see that remembering fights must be really important because he gets a huge boost from losing that.
But in JJK, it's a lot more objective, there's no indication that binding vows are based on what's personally important to the user, and as such, it loses that ability to tell us about characters.
I get why Gege made the changes he did. CT from birth, negative emotions instead of all emotions, and a lack of personal expression in powers all lead to the hopeless and bleak world of JJK.
As much as it's a flavor win, I think it's just an objectively worse power system than hxh.
I don’t want to debate which power system is ‘better’ but I do agree that the equivalent exchange in HxH is used a lot better than in JJK- everything from Kurapika’s vengeance to Gon’s sacrifice- it’s just used a lot better narratively.
To me, HxH has the best power system. In HxH, you can improve your power through training and, at the same time, use your nen uniquely. It is a good balance of power and intellect, which Naruto lost later on as it relied too much on massive power without strategy. One thing with JJK that I don't like, and they say it in the beginning, is that most of the power is based on talent, and training won't help.
So if you don't care much about power you can gain infinite power?
@@ottosaviaro8452More like if you don’t care about losing a finger, you won’t gain a lot of power for cutting it off yourself.
But if the plushy you got as a child is your most cherished object in the world and you willingly light that thing on fire, you might as well be a super saiyan for the rest of that fight.
@@mmangalisomasinga432
As true as that is... I _was _*_not_* one of those people who thought that it avoided feeling cheap, at times at least.
I'll admit, I'm only on episode 70, but that still encompasses the main example (it _was_ basically the concepts introduction, after all). The fact that Kurapika was able to go from novice in nen the same way the other three were to being able to fight the strongest of the spiders, just... 🫤. As satisfying as Uvos beat down was, the Emperor time taking from his lifespan to allow him to become master of all varieties and increase power feels like it doesn't necessarily matter much when he's years away from being an adult and was on track to complete his goals before that would matter.
I prefer such things to be more objective because it feels less BS to me when things are conceptually conserved and physical stats are more consistent _(another_ thing HxH had some problems, with. Although that's mostly just nitpicks like how Gon was able to break Illumis arm, Netero saying he'd take damage to Gons headbutt, etc. That's whatever, though). But I guess that's a matter of taste. 🤷🏾♂️
imo, tropes are never bad, whats bad is how they are used
they should either have a reason within the story to be there ot some clever twist that makes the trope unique
Tropes kind of can’t be bad, otherwise they wouldn’t become established narrative devices. A trope is like a common phrase in a language. If you break it down, much of how we communicate is in pre-scripted phrases, with variations in the details to add particular context. Tropes are the same for storytelling.
The trope I like the most is kinda niche
The dark magic is always accessible to anyone who is willing trope
Father gets mad that eugenicist cops killed his daughter, goes into that part in the forest where everyone knows not to go, gains the power to get revenge.
Guy does cannibalism gains power.
Dude wants Sharingan so he kills someone and does a transplant, other dude goes further and goes for a full body transplant.
That's a nice trope too.
Especially since it gives an actually good reason as to why the villain is so much stronger than everyone.
Anyone can become just as powerful but not everyone is willing to sacrificially stab their own newborn child to do it.
Thinking about it, I feel like the power of friendship can be turned into an interesting power/magic system.
A power that perhaps everyone has access to. Being able to convert your "friendship meter" with someone into raw power. It can be anything from pure strength or whatever magic attacks there are. The lower this friendship meter with someone goes the "lesser of a friend" they are to you. To the point that they can even become a stranger that doesn't even know you. This can give stakes as you can literally lose a valuable friendship with someone just for the sake of powering up.
Now I feel like many would find a way to experiment on what this power system can be capable of. Perhaps the people in this world discovers that being known by many people to the point that para social relationships may be considered as a one sided "friendship" with someone. Which may make extremely popular people way too powerful.
Adding to this, society and how people interact may change. Socializing a whole lot may became the norm if the power it gives is that more valuable. Introverted to socially anxious people may have quite the disadvantage. But perhaps they can have a much more valuable friendship with those that they are close to than others. Would losing a much more valuable friendship be worth the risk to defeat someone stronger?
No dude this would such a SICK CONCEPT!!
This would be interesting for villains too because villains would get power of friendship buffs and would have to have close friendships.
@@crocoboi7936 I can imagine the villain be the friendliest person towards their subordinates. Yeah they are evil and all but they have an army of homies that they hang out with every Saturdays.
@@nekokoishi exactly!
Be right back gonna write a manga or book series about this concept. :3.
@@hannahmetzger4880 good luck!
Ah, well, I don't agree with everything you say here, but each to their own. Like, personally, I tend to prefer a simple physical enhancement ability over a complicated system with a lot of sorta arbitrary rules. I'm also not very fond of powers having some specific cost or requiring careful resource management as opposed to simply being the result of a high degree of personal growth.
Like, the whole point of Deku's initial approach to using One For All was that it was insanely reckless and dangerous, and his teachers were right to tell him to cut that shit out and figure out a smarter way to fight because he was ruining his body and by extension his career. You can't have a hero who maims himself every time he uses his power, that is a bad hero and it sets a bad precedent. Deku destroying his hands wasn't supposed to be "an interesting part of his power", it was a _serious problem_ he absolutely had to overcome. Full Cowl and Shoot Style were supposed to be important points of _character growth,_ because he finally learned to use his Quirk responsibly.
This all ties into an issue in modern fantasy where heavily rule-based hard magic systems have been growing increasingly popular and I just kinda feel like it's ruining magic a bit. I don't think wondrous supernatural powers should really need _costs,_ they just need limitations. (Particularly in terms of scale and potency, but definitely not in versatility.) And if we're talking legit magic, I very much prefer to keep the mechanics and rules as simple as possible while allowing for potentially very complex applications.
I do agree energy blast spamming is pretty boring, but mainly in the same sense that I tend to find gun fights less interesting than martial arts battles or a cool sword fight. There's just something about reducing a fantastical power to the equivalent of "a gun" that seems to me contrary to the point. It's kinda the least creative thing you can do.
As for the Power of Friendship, eh, that's just another way of saying that motivation is a factor, and that's fine as long as it doesn't get too silly. (See: Aizen nearly cutting Ichigo in half and pointing out that you can't just will yourself to stand up when your abdominal muscles have been destroyed.) I'm totally fine with the idea that the heroes are able to generate more magic or soul-energy or whatever when they're fighting for something they really care about. That's even pretty realistic: People need strong motivators to push themselves.
this needs to be pointed, "equivalent exchange" power systems (that's how i like to call them because they always meatride the concept of a binding vow) can only hold up their charm so long until it becomes sufficating
I really enjoyed Fairy Tail. Power of friendship was a thing from early on, but it was rarely the best explanation for why a fight was won. For example, Natsu VS Jellal was decided by desperately taking a risk. Things changed as the series progressed though. Erza VS Irene was something that happened
Cool video, disagree with full cowling being lame though.
Fair enough!
Full cowling IS lame though. It's literally just Deku learning how to keep OfA at a low simmer instead of boiling over, no need to name it as if it's a fucking transformation.
@@foxxinrox that's Because it ISN'T a transformation, It's a technique that deku learned to properly utilise his quirk without saying goodbye to his limbs, him commiting self harm like an average emo kid wasn't a "interesting limitation", it was a major problem he had to overcome, full cowling is a solution, you need to understand this concept because JJk ruined us all with its power system, straight upgrades exist, some things are just objectively better other things.
@@johnnywick2460 You need some reading comprehension bro, that's literally what I said. It isn't a transformation, yeah, so why the fuck is he naming *using it correctly* "Full Cowling" *as if* it is a transformation? He's literally just using the quirk the way it should be used.
Naming the basic, bare-minimum safe-to-handle output of the quirk is super cringe.
@@foxxinrox oh that's why you were complaining, my fault bro I'm sorry
Man I just can’t agree that JJK has a good power system lol. Domains are a really cool idea but so much of JJK at this point is just arbitrary “Ah yes and I’ve utilized my gravitons and gravioli’s to off screen you when you thought you had me beat. I haven’t been pushed that far in a thousand years.”
It’s just a much worse nen IMO and nowhere near as consistent. Doesn’t ever seem to follow its own rules.
Bro, what ?
Did you use sukuna who is exception to alot of jjk power system rules to say that its bad
My least favorite power system trope is when characters get super powerful abilities essentially because they were born with them instead of them doing anything to earn it. Because then a large part of the fights outcome comes down to who was born luckier to have better powers.
Because it's part of their essence just like some clan members have special things to do. That's not a bad trope at all. If powers and a set of rules are established and followed through then it's okay for them to do that.
Let's talk about innate talent then, shall we? The amount of innate talent is just pure luck. Also the nurturing was also pure luck. Everything is pure luck.
I mean, it depends. If they were born with it, but they still have to train to master it or use it properly, then it wouldn’t bother me that much because at least it feels earned. If it were the case where they were born with it but didn’t need to train or anything to use it and all it would take is innate talent, then it’d be more of a problem.
@@magikphoenix140Gojo is only exception to these tho.
@@meraj5393 Yeah, I agree.
I do gotta mention stands from Jojo as an interesting power system
Unique to the user and often ridiculously specific in their abilities,they bring a lot of setting up,ambushing and very interesting situations to properly work
A fine example.for me is Catch the rainbow fron part 7,which esentially makes the user control rain,to the point of making droplets bullets and standing on them
A completely situational power but its fight really shines in the sense that its running the clock for clear skies ,not directly defeating the guy
I think my only dislike of Gon's "sacrifice" is that, by the end of the story, it amounts to costing nothing, as he's just... cured.
Dislikes full cowling because it's just an upgrade (It's not and completely changes his fighting style).
Loves Gon's full adult transformation (Literally just a power up that goes away after the fight).
I think there is just some childish logic here.
Well he lost his nen, and it led to strengthening Killua and saving his sister
I think my only dislike of Jesus "sacrifice" is that, by the end of the story, it amounts to costing nothing as he's just... cured
@@IvanIvanovich-qh9xt *Jesus'
@@dbhDilemma cool
I had to click as soon as I saw this expecting another high quality vid!
🫡 Won't let you down with this one
One of the few times I've seen the power of friendship done right is one piece, mainly thinking of the end of enies lobby. What works about it is that luffy is putting himself at a detriment because he's unsure of whether usopp wants to stay on the crew, and he only manages to get the motivation to keep fighting when Usopp says the exact thing he needed to hear, much like what Luffy did for Robin in the same arc
You forgotten about when the series break it's power system, for example toji being someone with zero curse energy but having a body that can tango with special grade curses and sorcerers
Oh yeah! That's another really cool trope, like Toji or Rock Lee from Naruto. Characters who don't do that whole 'magic stuff' and just throw hands!
i'm not even joking, i straight up forgot full cowling was a thing
May sound odd but i actually dislike nen for a few reasons.
One being that, in my opinion, it's overrated. It has enormous potential, sure, but most of the time characters are one trick ponies; they have only one ability which could be classified as a "quirk" (same as My Hero Academia), on top of "punch hard" and "take punch". At least that's the image you get from watching the anime, maybe the manga is different. The complex and elaborate categories and various ways of using nen become background noise if each character only does one thing.
The second, bigger issue is, that its equivalent exchange system is absolutely ridiculous and busted. A more specific ability being stronger is very intuitive, it feel like a "fair" tradeoff. But the way it is implemented in the world is inorganic. I'm talking about how nen users can make up whatever restrictions they want to power up their abilities. It doesn't explain one bit how their powers suddenly grow stronger. It also means that virtually anyone can beat anyone, given that he is willing to sacrifice his future/life/something similar (as seen with Gon's transformation). The writer really did not think through the meaning of a power system like that. This world should be ruled or at least terrorized by preachers, zealots and cultists that amass and attract people who are willing to do anything for their leaders. It means soldiers can ravage countries, given that they are brainwashed and mentally prepared to sacrifice their lives.
Even if you don't get into politics and what this means on a worldly scale, most fights to the death should result in both sides dying, simply because the losing side can become arbitrarily strong by accepting their death.
Not really sure you get restrictions. Restrictions can give you power but not unlimited power since they are still dependent on your willpower or nen level as for how they get stronger it's because you quite literally are stopping your nen potential in one area and trading it off for another
@@h.a3212That still doesn't mean that nen is _not_ overrated as all Hell. Because it is. Really, I feel as if most, if not _all_ power systems in anime/manga are rather overrated a lot of the time, in my opinion. Even ones that I personally like, like the magic system of Black Clover, or Quirks from My Hero Academia. :P. I can think that a power system is awesome, whilst also acknowledging how overrated they are or can be. :P. Doesn't mean I stop liking them at all, though. :P.
Unlimited restrictions (they aren't) and thus power gain means nothing politically because nen users are incredibly rare. Then nen users who can actually meaningfully sacrifice their future power is even less. Gon's potential was said to be one in 10 million
@@Lilith_Harbinger these are some great points, put things into a new light for me
Even the good tropes can be executed badly,for example an equivalent exchange moment where the character has a loophole that narratively doesn't make sense
(Though even a loophole could be written well).Such an example is Yuta's binding vow in JJK 0
This video is great bro, Keep it up!
Cursed energy, no JJK is general is a great example of seeming deep and complex but in reality just being Shallow and Concoluted when you look into it
true lmao, I see the JJK power system as simply "everyone has energy, everyone has their own unique power" not different than most battle shonen shows.
@@pengen_gantinama Pretty much lol
I'd try to defend JJK right here, but that is one incredibly fair point.
@@pengen_gantinama What's wrong with everyone having an energy and their own unique power? Would you rather the whole cast walk around doing the same things in an inexplicable way over and over again? I agree jjk has a generic power system but that's definitely not the reason.
its 20 times better than every magic like power system
"the power of friendship" could be used in junction with the equivalent exchange.
not specifically the friendship part, more the emotions part.
like, hear me out here:
emotions, could possibly be turned into mana.
of course, the good emotions like joy and excitement wouldn't be too efficient to turn into energy, but it would explain the sudden surge in energy when something happens.
when a character is experiencing deep sorrow/sadness/grief, they can sorta channel it and use that as a fuel source for power.
since that emotion would be very deep and dense, it would really give them a huge boost.
of course, with the tradeoff of maybe not being able to control yourself due to the strong emotions.
most characters would only use it subconsciously, of course, you probably don't really wanna make them aware of that happening.
but it definitely would explain that sort of like:
"my friend died in battle, time to unlock a new power :3"
and it could be used in a pretty interesting way too, like a character which purposefully keeps themselves full of hatred and despise, because they know they can use it to fuel their powers.
maybe instead of killing that character, they just counter him by... idk... fuckin', giving him a happy meal or something lmao
making him lose that strong negative emotion and greatly lowering his power output.
One of my least favourite tropes is the: "I am running out of energy trope." That always happens at the "right" time and the authors use it as an excuse for certain things to happen in a certain way. I can understand it sometimes, but if it's done to many times it gets annoying. Naruto has this problem. But then One Piece doesn't, because it's power system doesn't work that way. You don't run out of Devil Fruit power or you don't run out of Haki. Your physical state determines how well you can use those things. It's all about how much actual damage you take. And for example with Bleach that has a more similar energy source to Naruto, very rarely will a character say that they are running out of Spiritual Pressure.
True, I wanted to point this out, but it felt like it would be weird to say I hated that trope while also praising the existence of energy that fuelled abilities 😅
Actually in One Piece you run out of "stamina" which is almost the same thing, especially with Gear 5 Luffy (Bro can fight Kaido four time then 1UP himself to go on Gear 5 then lose his power but can regain it thanks to his will power...But now in egghead he can't even do that and need food or whatever after a two chapter confrontation). You can't really avoid that trope unless it's a really hard power system
@@idk4435 But at least with G5 Luffy it was established even with G4 already that he runs out of Haki and stamina. Which no other character has. And when he was turning small from G3 or needed a lot of food because he burned so much energy with G2. And I don't mind G5 being so limited on time because it is beyond broken. Imagine if G5 had no stamina issues at all. He would be unbeatable and basically what Luffy will be at the end of the series. Luffy is already basically top 1 but his stamina with G5 limits him. Although I don't like it as well.
Actually you can run out of haki………..it’s just kind of hard too for example gear 4 luffy
@@crocoboi7936 But Luffy is like the only example in the series.
I was leaving a nice long comment on how Black Clover does the power of friendship trope pretty well with examples and everything to get my point across and then the UA-cam app just closed itself deleting all of it, it’s 1 AM and I am not typing all of that on a touch screen again, I hate UA-cam so much. Anyways comment for the algorithm cause I know it helps.
full cowling and dekus entire progression up until they say fuck it give him 5 quirks and make him the strongest in the verse over night is really well done. quirks are like muscles irl. you dotn wake up and discover instead of curling normally you can idk, invert your wrists and that gives you more power for your exercises. there is only one way to get stronger and that is to work out. there is one way for deku to get stronger. work out, train his body. his finger flicks and simple but contextually revolutionary idea to use his legs are good power ups and show him min maxing his quirk. quirks arent like conventional human body parts they are unique to each and every person. two explosion users might be bale to use the same concept to get more power but they arent the same. we see deku training with other heroes like uraraka when he finds out about his other quirks. there is over lap but everyone has to find their own way to use their power. what works for endevor might not work for todoroki and definitely not dabi. that's to say deku found unique ways along with the gear he had to make his power shine in his verse and most importantly be versatile. he has super strength but he doesn't have projectiles so his gauntlets with his finger flicks serve as projecties, even more epseicifially he tried to get more impact out of them while minimizing damage by increasing the power he used right at the moment of impact. full cowling was a great moment for deku because even though its seemingly simple it is a revolutionary way to use something mundane like super strength. mha is a good show because it makes something as simple as super strength interesting, creative and innovative. these innovations also play into dekus innovative nature and one of his core character traits. his love for being a hero. its proof the years he spent analyzing even though he was powerless were not in vain. saying that these are just him getting more force or more energy is ignoring the contextual significance of the improvements and how they map together in the grand scheme of things. not once do we really ee deku train to use more percent. what we do see is how he can get more out of what he has and over time we see him gain more percentage. like a body over time adjusting and building muscle even if you're improving your technique at the same time. you have to understand rthat just because something isn't flashy doesn't mean it isn't well written or good for the story which his often more important than being flashy. yuji is literally powerless but he is entertaining to watch fight because of how his strength and improvement work with the story.
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Great video man, keep it up. You definitely have to potential to grow into a major player in the UA-cam anime scene.
Thanks, I really appreciate that
Do you think World Trigger has the energy projectile power done right?
The gunner/shooter projectile actually felt threatening unless the target is using a shield. But even then the shield can be countered by using multi directional shots or just use slower but stronger projectile.
Most projectile-type power doesn't feel threatening for me because even when they hit, the target usually doesn't shown to be damaged except for little bruises. Even fireballs in anime rarely does burn the target. But the trion body in World Trigger allows the character to show visible damage done by each attack including the projectiles without actually killing them.
Haven't watched World Trigger, but this at least sounds more interesting than the usual archetype!
@@pintschannel Now you must watch World Trigger, it's imperative, you can't reject it. 🫵
lol jk, the power system of world trigger are a bit different from other battle shonen shows, it is uncannily felt like a video game system (but doesn't felt like common RPG esque anime like SAO or Solo Leveling either).
It is as good as people said.
bro you deserve wayyy more subscribers, your videos are amazing quality
the best way to do the power of friendship is to actually have characters use their powers in synergy with other characters' powers
I don’t remember where I saw it but I remember one trope that I hate sm. It’s when they get a power buff and it’s explained later how they did it. It just takes away from the moment in the fight.
Tbh, i see pointless your point on the hollow mask. The hollow mask initially gave ichigo more strength and also changing him to a more sadistic personality, and he needed to defeat his inner hollow so he can get stronger and also so this personality wont take over him. He manages to suppress his inner hollow that in an arc dedicated to characters with both shinigami and hollow powers, so, why would he still have some kind of drawback when using the hollow mask when he already suppressed White? I mean, i dont really see the issue with it, even though the video can summarize to "powers with big drawbacks better", you are kinda overlooking the thing that ichigo had to deal with, since he could have died to a bunch of rogue shinigami because he couldn't suppress white in his inner world (of course he wouldn't die because the story wont allow it but same goes for a character like Kurapika where obviously he wouldn't kill himself by misusing his power)
And you can basically dismiss the black flash drawback because **manga spoiler**
Yuji is straight spamming black flash like nothing, which looks cool but he is straight ignoring the luck thing that is needed so the black flash can be performed
Recent manga chapters have basically confirmed that black flash isn't about luck but about mentality, they happen when you are determined to overcome something. Yuji hit his first 9 black flashes on special grade curses, this includes mahito who Yuji straight up despises. Mahito hit his black flashes to become a true curse. Sukuna hit his first black flash to prove that sorcery is stronger than the body. Yuji's seven consecutive black flashes make sense considering he's determined to kill the strongest sorcerer in history.
@@notfunnydidntlaugh5270 that kinda makes sense but then, what's even the point of bringing up a gojo flashback talking about the black flash relying in some percentage to luck factors such as the environment you are in
@@juggram_99 Blackflash are ans were always explained as an "lucky" occurence. But somehow mentality always play a big part in it because you gotta be "focus" to do it.
But in my opinion, Blackflashs are just canon asspull, shit can boost you and shit while being straight up luck or "mentality" (literally how is power of friendship bad but blackflash good...?)
@@idk4435black flash doesn't boost you it puts you in the zone which is a real life thing btw that pro athletes experience while also alllowing you to understand the flow of cursed energy better because you are applying the cursed energy in like 0.000001 seconds
@@zarc1145Bro just read the manga lmao blackflash DEFINITELY boost you, it can even give you a whole power up or recover your CE. Stop tryna put real life situations in the bullshit JJK tryna do, life just don't work like that.
The glazing 😂
JJK fans explaining how their discount and overrated nen power system clone is the second coming of christ:
I'll leave this here in hopes it gets more recognition.
The Shinsoo system in Tower of God is genuinely one of the best power system there is.
"Oh, but isnt it just some generic ass energy system" NO! You could NOT be more wrong! But i dont blame you, the anime didnt do it justice.
Put it simply, shinsoo is water. Divine water if you will. It is present all throughout the Tower. And the higher the floor, the higher the concentration of it, such as water, which pressure gets higher and higher the deeper you go.
Every person, through a contract, can be able to influence shinsu, contr it to some degree. Some more special people are able to make it their own, breaking the rules of the Tower
But shinsoo gets more complex with more and more analogies to water, like the concept of Bang, Myun and Soo, that are aspects essential to the offensive uses of it. Put it simply, myun and soo relate to the amount of shinsoo and the density of it, both amazing concepts that get overshadowed by the more visible one, Bang. Bang is the single cluster of shinsoo and defines how many attacks you can throw at once. The mental strength required to controw 2 bangs is the same you would need to create and control another arm through your mind alone, as you have to focus on both equally for them to not lose shape and fail on you while also keeping in mind everything in combat. This simple scene cut from the anime (the decided glazing baams potential was better than worldbuilding) is the grounds to which we can use follow the growth of our main cast.
And this is just the beginning. With the second season we discover than shinsoo can be used and wielded in so many different ways. Shinsoo has, for example, a natural shape in which it flows for every being. It has also a quality, an element of sort that, instead of following nature, it follows the user's individuality, like princess yuri's rose petals or the black march black shinsoo.
Second season explores this so well, it is a shame SIU lost control of its power scaling in season 3, downgrading this amazing system with depth and complexity into a lightshow
ok but when it comes to straight stat buffs, we can all agree the exception is just the one mf who got no special powers and just straight hands, that is always cool to just watch someone throw hands with someone firing off spells and whatnot
also this reminds me i gotta watch HxH, hadnt started cuz, yk, hiatus x hiatus is one hell of a nickname, but i remember hearing at least the manga came back recently which means the anime will to eventually, so might be time to start it cause ive heard nothing but praise for it
Most of jjk’s power system is inspired by somthing else (which most of not every power system is inspired by somthing else) but people think for it to be inspired by somthing it must be the exact same, no inspired aspects take somthing from somthing else and add their own idea to it
Personally, I also dislike full cowling and I completely understand your dislike of it. I even dislike the addition of Deku's other quirks and given your reasoning explained in the video don't understand why you didn't even mention this. However, your dislike of full cowling is vastly different than mine. As you explained in this video, you dislike full cowling due to it just being a bored flat out power buff, which I dislike as well. However, the thing that I dislike the most about full cowling is how it entirely removes the whole gimmick of equivalent exchange in OFA. Instead of having a limit and having drawbacks, this trope is entirely removed when he gets it. Now yes, I do understand that Deku has a limit with full cowling and does still use the equivalent exchange of OFA every now and then, as shown in the muscular fight/that whole arc, or the first portion of the Overhaul fight. But I dislike full cowling because I feels as if it subtracts from the story. Sure, it was inevitable that Deku would eventually gain more control over OFA, hence the introduction of full cowling, however most of the time he ended up just relying on full cowling to win a fight and ended up doing so without any repercussions. I just dislike full cowling and his additional quirks because they subtract from the story, making it go from a complex and well crafted story to a boring fight compilation. My personal favorite arc is the whole camp/retrieving Bakugo arc, as he just lets his emotions get the best of him and completely ditches full cowling, leading to an incredible arc with consequences and character development. Although, I will say that the most recent chapters of the manga do look like they are beginning to head in the right direction with Deku despite all of his growth, returning to his mindset of "i can win if i sacrifice myself", which is really in character for him. Sorry for my yapping and maybe this is the point you wanted to make too but didn't want to make your vid just ranting about Deku. Great vid btw your quality is as good as always.
Edit: please stop replying with hate, first off to rephrase what i said in the paragraph above, i dont hate full cowling, i dislike how it became the go to solve all problems instantly button because i just think that the fight choreography when deku uses full cowling is a bit worse at times (although the overhaul fight is an exception) and this is likely due to the problem of every chapter being almost weekly therefore resulting in loss of passion and hence quality (btw i dont hate deku idk where you got that from)
WAIT, I DIDN'T EVEN THINK ABOUT THAT!? What made old OFA so great to watch was the fact that it functioned with Equivalent Exchange... Deku would gain insurmountable strength at the price of possibly breaking his body. Thank you so much for pointing this out!
I can definitely see your point
I mean, Pint did say it best. He uses his body like ammunition. So you just gotta hope he can fi ish the fight before he rubs out.
What kind of sorry garbage media literacy is this? The main character being able to actually fight for extended periods of time is bad? Yes, OFA was unique in the fact that every attack butchered a part of his body, but there’s no way that fighting style would’ve ever been sustainable for a full story. The only reason your “personal favorite arc” even works is because he learned full cowling but made the conscious choice to abandon it.
Bro is has written the hole bible and you have a point
The most egregious of this has to be Kaioken... if there were actually any drawbacks, I think it would be a lot more fun to see narratively
Dragon Ball Kaioken? The same Kaioken that takes a huge toll on the body, and is used limitedly whenever it shows up?
I like it back in DBZ in super Goku is just spamming it
@@RedLights9000-f3l Where in Super is he 'spamming it'?
@@NASTAR01 In super especially in top
yeah.
For Example, I like the Bijju Transformations more then the Hollow one? even if sick designs, especially cause the dread of the inner beast was alot stronger there.
but like, as a Power system I enjoy Sage Mode more as a concept then say, Super Sayajin. give a bit more flair. (Jirayia more fun transformation.
i appreciate your takes, but goddamn that full cowling was awful. i’d not call it a transformation at all
Idk if you read the manga. But in season 3 of one punch man, the power system is really going to open up
New PintIsHere video is a must watch
This is a great video. Definitely earned my sub
I disagree a little in the sense that the cused energy is extremely limited compared to the nen because for the cused energy is only used for certain common capacities which are counted on the finger of the hand I mean even without techniques this aura could do much more
CE is a garbage power system. a rip off of other great power systems
thank you you understand me I mean it's a power system so not developed it just develops for a particular character and reuses the same sauce for all other characters
I mean this guy clearly didn't even read the manga because I can say for sure that "binding vows" are a REALLY bad way to write "lose something, gain something", I won't spoil but eh.
@@idk4435 ehh idk its fine imo
@@xandex69
First of all : I think the first problem is that binding vow are not even clearly explained by the author, bro can't even show or tell what's the consequences of breaking a binding vow to save his life.
Then,
They don't even take context or feeling into account (like come on)
They're not particularly varied (and that's criminal because we saw how nanami was smart with it, should have that more often)
They are absurdly under-used (this should be spammed by most exorcists but again most of exorcists are trash so the author doesn't have to fleshed out his world so whatever).
Honestly I think fairy tail gets a lot hate for the power of friendships but it's not often used in fights, the problem is fairy tail is a anime about friendships/family but because that's the main theme of the story it's esey to sey some fights are won thanks to the power of friendship while most are not not all fight I can acknowledged it uses that bullshit sometimes and at the worst moment but i don't think it ruins story or power system
The power system I love is like the one in one pieces, mha and of course fairy tails , there isn't a power system in those story's just random powers and thair ability and limits I love those kinds because it shows the author creativity and flexibility it also shows the authors pure writing abilities because in these power systems there aren't hard restrictions and the author can use any bullshit thay want to write characters out of problems so whan thay don't or often make new problems it creates interesting plot developments.
Black clover has some great potential with the characters and powers. But it's always the power of friendship or locking in. Every fight, every character. Painful to watch.
No one does "equivalent exchange" like 'Full Metal Alchemist'
When you train you sacrifice time lol
My favourite power system gotta be stands from JJBA, every character has a unique and (in most cases) very creative power, maybe besides part 3 stands, in conclusion stands are much better than hamon
I fucking roll my eyes when I see someone say “I hate Fairy Tail, because it uses the power of friendship.” Especially when they themselves never watched the series itself to even know that’s the case.
I seen practically every episode of of it and the only real time I seen the power of friendship’s happening was literally in the FINAL FIGHT of the damn anime. (Not including 1000 years quest, because I haven’t watched it yet)
Most of the time in the series, a friend helps contribute in the defeat of the villain in the arcs, but sometimes the main cast has to solo their fights and win on their own merits.
People who don’t watch the series, look at it on a very surface level, and/or are pushing agendas will say Fairy Tail relies on the power of friendship to win against the main villains. To people like that, I want y’all to really shut the fuck up sometimes I swear man. 🤦🏾
Soul Eater is probably the only series that did power of friendship well.
I mean fairy tail is goated so idk what you mean. But then again the power of friendship is very literal in that show
Direct Drive Zone in Kuroko no Basket is friendship power.
Brother for the love of god stop glazing jjk lmao
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You two should just stop seething and maldin lol
@@zarc1145 the cope is unpralled bro failed 9th grade math and talking about others malding lol
its a good show
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Yeah man I really don't want Boruto to have control over his Karma but It's shown that he will have it by the EOS,
so let's hope it is executed well
first time u were talking about hollow mask he couldnt contorl it, and the one actualy fighting was "hollow" whos personality is complete difrent. Ichigo later learned how to control hollow mask (but for very low time) so i wouldnt say its just basic transformation
Dekus full cowl isnt a transformatuon to me. Its just an application of his powers. Instead of focusing OFA in a single part of his body, he spreads it out so he's likely to break himself. However, I still dont like full cowl narrativly speaking as it removes tensions and stakes of deku having to break his body. Muscular fight was the most intense fight in mha, as it was the last time deku had broke his body. During the fight he knew full cowl but still deliberately broke his arms because it was the only way to defeat muscular. I wish more of his fights were written like this to where deku had to strategically decide if he needed to 100% in a single part, or spread it out, or managing the percentage on his body. This would lead to more strategical battles and higher stakes as deku has the choice to break his body if he really really really needs to.
I heavily disagree with full cowling being boring. Full cowling has some strategic element to it as well, its unreasonable to expect a main character who can have no changes to his power throughout the series and if anything it would be much more boring seeing the other cast members grow when deku is still finger blasting.
Full cowling imo adds more depth to one for all (or at least to deku as a one for all user). Because deku has sacrificed being unable to use his maximum output in return for being able to use a much lower output and maintaining stability and longevity, But he still is able to fire off 100% one for all blasts whenever he finds an opponent worth destroying his own body to defeat.
While i agree that simple enhancement is boring you gotta acknowledge that the continuous destruction of his body to fight just about anyone was getting old very fast and it would feel garbage for the main character to be unable to contend with the verse's top tiers purely because he never learned how to grow or optimize or become more efficient with his ability.
Okay so bro is just a hater. Like this guy cannot stop glazing a couple shows and will not stop relentlessly hating others lol. And he dirctly contradicts himself at the end LMAOO
yep
@@Crunchysopa52 are talking sarcastically or seriously I just wanna know
Can u please make some type-moon content it’s the strongest franchise in anime with their base abilities giving them immeasurable speed. & my power scaling subs & playlist r all the proof we need, my other subs etc. prove it also has the best written characters in anime. Like generic anime channel’s shirou vid, it’s billion$ budget & ufotable even come together to give us peak animation of any year they drop or period.
You showed jojo screenhots but didn't talk about Jojo a single time smh
What the hell does increase by 2.5 even mean?
Double and a half of its effect. Let's say the damage his punches do had a numerical value. Like idk maybe 10 dmg. So, with a black flash he'd do 25 dmg = 20 + 5/(10x2) + (10÷2). It's oddly specific but it works ig.
@@2Padre. " Double and a half of its effect" The mangaka should've wrote that instead
@@newdawnhorizon9879 It is confusing at a first glance ngl. Especially when the character's strength is so ambiguous
It's actually an increase to the power of 2.5, 100 dmg would turn into 100000dmg. realistically this would vaporize any opponent but the author doesn't know how numbers work (x^2.5 just means x^2 * sqrt(x))
@@notfunnydidntlaugh5270 Literally he dosent lmao. He wrote gojo abilities as mathematical terms.
and somehow adding negative and positive creates imaginary in cursed energy lmao
Fairy tail isn’t even a bad anime it’s actually pretty good
I mean if you want the best power system read world trigger (don't watch because season 1 is ass but read it. Trion and triggers are goated.
Or Jojo where Stands and Hamon/ Stone Mask
its not fair to judge a series if you haven't watched it. You have to form your own opinion on it to provide reasons as to why you don't like the series. I like the video but disagree on the fairy tail segment.
Great but cmon what about dangai and vasto lorde ichigo
how tf are you gonna hate on Fairy Tail and you haven’t even watched or read it? the manga is beautiful and hype as hell.
you really lost me on that one, man.
don’t judge an entire series based on people trash talking it online.
14:39 Read Konjiki no Gash then come back to me.
Brodie you gotta blow your nose 💔
I was ill 😔
12:31 its not forgotten the mask simply never had such an effect
the scenes you showed earlier are white the hollow controling ichigo not the hollow mask power up