I like how Meruem was handled. He was a threat to Earth's ecosystem, and when the strongest human failed to kill him, it was human engineering that managed to successfully do the job.
You mean the author hate japan because meruem is the Japanese empire while netero is the usa when the usa or netero do anything to make meruem or japanese surrender but didnt happen they had too use atomic bomb or netero heart come on its so obvious kinda cringe toobtw
I love it because Meruem saw their fight as a game which he was winning but Meruem never accounted for the fact that when some people are losing they’ll flip over the board so that we both lose What Netero did was essentially when you flip over the board in a game of chess or monopoly so that both you and your opponent lose
That's why I generally like the "final" villan that appears right before, or about 2 villan reveals before the true final villan. They're usually insanely strong, but at that point in the story, our hero is also equally insanely strong. Making for an almost equal and spectacular clash that our hero wins satisfactorily.
Actually, yeah. A few come to mind. Pain from Naruto. Grimmjow or Ulquiorra from Bleach. Mahito from jjk. Reiner and Bertholdt from aot. They all also happen to be villains with longstanding rivalries with the MCs.
Someone in the comments mentioned Muzan as a bad example of an overpowered final villain. And in Demon Slayer, the second to last villain, Kokushibo, I think is brilliant. It feels like they had to pull out all the stops to beat him and everyone contributed in major ways. If even one of those characters wasn’t present, everyone would’ve died.
Only example of this I can think of that isn't infuriating to see them be defeated by BS is Father in FMAB, especially considering the whole series and all the characters were building towards finding a way to defeat him and stop his plan.
Funny cuz I just finished FMA manga yesterday and I had no qualms with Father's defeat It made complete sense that this godlike being was defeated because this was literally years in the making and people working together No black zetsu, no funny arrow, no dumb stuff like that Just basic counterteaming and teamwork I love it
@@Sappysappsteryeah I think father defeat make sense. It was his hubris and even though he was super charged he wasn't as good with alchemy as Ed was. Plus Ed thought of a unique way to defeat him. They literally used everything they had
@@SappysappsterSo you don't think Madaras hubris how he thought he could manipulate everyone even Obito and never thought he could be manipulated madaras ending was gold
I think what makes it work is that firstly, they immediately give his godlike power a limit. Nobody is defeating someone who can make a sun in their hand, but if every time he uses his powers he has less control? Now there’s a potential way to beat him. Not to mention he had distinct flaws in his combat ability that are tied to character and aren’t just “he’s cocky lmao”. Father doesn’t really know how to fight because he doesn’t get his hands all that dirty and puts himself above all others. So when Ed outboxes him, it’s satisfying and completely natural.
The reason for them being op is simply to make it intresting, so that the watcher can think "how can the mc defeat them". The problem is, the author makes them TOO overpowered so at the conclusion the thing that defeats them is usually some asspull or a powerup for no real reason other then to make the villain lose, perfect example being final fight in Bleach
Low-key I wonder what non cancer full power muzan would look like in a serious fight even fight. He either solos or gets soloed in his verse. Like what would be his blood demon art. Would he have been able to destroy several cities?
A couple of things: 1) A final villain needs to be a threat to the protagonists to be effective (doesn't matter if this threat is physical, spiritual, or psychological). Because the progression of the characters is usually so extreme at the point they confront the "final boss", they need to be suitably powerful to be that threat. 2) Certain antagonists have the odds heavily stacked against them and thus need to suitably powerful to survive and continue to be a threat to the protagonists. Sukuna is an example of this type of villain. Sukuna is in a human cage for much of the series and has to manipulate and await his opportunity. When he gets it, the odds are still stacked against him. Not only is he against a long list of protagonists, but other characters are gunning for him to. Since he is established as one of the strongest characters in the series since literally the first chapter (which bares his name), it makes sense that he would be a pillar of strength for the series. 3) The key to a successful OP antagonist is the nerfing process (assuming they will lose). Were actions taken by the protagonists - however small - forcing said antagonist to make choices and sacrifices? Did prolonged battle, injuries, mistakes, or teamwork make up the difference? This process can be effective as a long drawn out process where the villain loses via attrition, or it can come in the form of a single mistake like arm severing or debilitating side effect. In short, OP antagonists are fine. They just need to be properly established and properly nerfed before their defeat. Sukuna is an example of both of these done right (or so far he is, he is not done yet) and Madara is an example of the nerfing process done poorly.
Kaido was actually pretty fair. dude wasn’t broken or anything just really strong. It did take gear 5 to beat him but he was getting hurt before gear 5 just speed up the process.
Exactly, literally the majority of wano was Luffy learning and perfecting the way of breaching kaidos defenses which once he did he was dealing tons of damage to him and the world government had to butt into his fight
I think they'll probably foreshadow it more and add more flash backs and back story behind it like how we got that backflash for the almighty, or maybe we get aizens bankai
@@thefarmer6541 i think they should just scrap the whole idea of the arrow,also 2 cour passed and there hasnt been an extra scene mentioning the arrow,if kubo wanted to perfect it wouldve made it the building of the arrow a plotlines itself, a ryuken plotlines with the arrow couldve been peak,i hope kubo just dont throw 1 or 2 extra scenes in cour 4 at the last minute just to do his homework.....the best way possible would be a crazy team up with bankai ichigo with a fkn explanation of his bankai and idk maybe even bankai aizen?in some novels its stated he hasnt one but idek if kubo even care or will stick to it,if kubo want he can be a really good writer but he sometimes get lost in weird gimmicks
@@antooh1167 i feel like uryu ability will be the key factor. Because it was hyped up by jugram to be the counter to the almighty so uryu might assist ichigo in defeating yhwach. It could also be poetic how uryu(a Quincy) teams up with ichigo(shinigami) to kill his father although they should be enemies. I think thats why uryu is getting more screentime. Kubo is cooking up something w my boy
I feel like dbz did a pretty good job with powerful seemingly untouchable villains, and the protagonists were eventually able to overcome them and it felt fair.
Yeah, decently so, most DBZ villains are just super strong they don't have any crazy hax abilities so when the protagonists get strong enough to defeat them it feels more natural
@@pintschannelReally? I feel like everyone expect Jiren. Freida: Had several transformations, so our main characters didn’t know how strong they had to get to beat him. Cell: crazy regen and adaptation Buu: Weird magic powers Goku Black: Immortal and time travel shenanigans Hit: Time skip is his entire thing Jiren: Got nothing special
@@Redacted_Rulerthey had hax but their hax isn’t super crazy compared to some other animes, with enough pure brute strength and speed the hax can be overcome
imo meruem is an example of a overpowered villain done right,he got his crazy fight with netero,which he won but in the end he still basically lost to humanity dark ways and then died in a very romantic way,togashi was smoking crack while writing chimera ant bc idek know he came up with that idea,hes just crazy good,hopefully he dont fumble into this with tserridonich which if u read the manga u know how powerful that mf is
Sukuna being overpowered is fine on its own, him beating every single fighter is fine, but what's not fine is the story tells us that he's still "holding back". Like wow, he holds back so hard he passes out for a second when gojo hit him with a black flash. Basically the story is telling us that no matter the progress of our heroes, its all for naught because sukuna havent been using 2% of his power (thanks gaygay for this dumbass approach for this villain)
He held back against gojo to further hone his abilities, that's how gojo was able to land some serious critical hits when if sukuna was going all out it would've been different, against the rest of the cast he really doesn't have to go all out as their strength bores him and his domain is a literal instant death for anyone not named gojo or yuji as it's so powerful and he can cast it countless times before he runs out of CE, to make it easier to understand it's like a mma champion having to fight a bunch of guys in a brawl, he knows he outclasses all of them and has no thrill in the fight, that doesn't mean that they can't catch him by surprise and land a good blow genuinely hurting him
@@wtfhahahaha except he did as he was only using 10 shadows to further break megumi and to train his technique not to mention that gojo literally said he wasn't going all out
@@sageoverheaven What's the irony exactly? You can like a show and still think the author isn't that good at writing or is just cooking straight up trash. I like JJK too but what Gege been "cooking" up in the manga recently and can also see bit through out the early parts, can be disappointing. Bro was cooking but now he is just heating up leftovers.
I stopped watching bleach after aizen was defeated... Ichigo losing all his powers felt like a pulled- out-of-the-ass convenient plot point to keep the show going and starting over to keep milking the cash cow.
Not to defend bad writing but the thing most people dont seem to realise is that sometimes a Manga gets so popular that the artist is made to extend it and thats what happened with Bleach. Cleearly Kubo hadnt planneed much past Aizen and you can tell with the story.
@matthewwhoseph6437 it is literally the cost for Ichigo using his ultimate power. It isn’t plot convenience. Him losing all his powers is a good excuse for him having the Final Getsuga for a moment.
Well the answer is pretty simple. The final antagonist is usually solo. So they have to be strong enough to take on an army of heroes all by themselves.
Good video and an interesting topic, but i don't like the conclusion. If making a point means writing a worse story, then that wasn't the right story to make that point (or the point is just wrong). I feel like the correct answer is the one you gave earlier, that most of the time writers just write themselves into a trap; a stronger villain is hype but they go overboard, not thinking how the heroes will be able to beat him/her.
You know a perfect handling of the power creep? Cell. How do you go upwards from Frieza, one of the strongest beings in the universe? How do you get a main villain even stronger if the main cast is the strongest? Why, you make the main villain an amalgamation of the powers of the main cast. The absorption ability is also NASTY. Cell being stronger than Frieza makes sense
One I really loved was A Certain Magical Index, in Old Testament the first cour, the villain lost with everything already being hinted and because their own ability worked against them as spoiler their ability was to be stronger than their enemy but they targeted the planet
Some villains I weirdly never see brought up in the discussion of overpowered shonen final bosses are Meruem from HunterxHunter, Hao from Shaman King and Clear Note from Zatch Bell What set these guys apart from all the others for me, is that they seemed to be tailor made by the author to be grossly overpowered to the point where nobody could feasibly beat them "Wait but isn't that like the others mentioned in the video?" Not necessarily. Whilst people like Madara, Yhwach, and Sukuna were made to be super duper strong, it was obvious that the author wanted them to be beaten It's just that they got to go overboard and made it so thst they couldn't be beaten without some hax or plot But these guys i mentioned seemed to be tailor made so that literally NO ONE could beat them normally >Meruem is the pinnacle of nen and is a super genius. He has strength higher than anyone we've seen. And he only grows stronger >Hao from Shaman King has the spirit of fire that he can quickcast faster than any shaman, over 1.25 MILLION points worth of mana, and literal decades worth of knowledge >Clear Note has Annihilation Magic. It literally degrades anything it touches. Do the math But i realized they all had one thing in common: The author used their overpowered nature to make a point >Meruem, despite all his power, was taken down by a wack nuke. Showing the cruelty and boundless animosity in humans >Hao became Shaman King but failed in his Shaman Only world. As he gave humanity another chance once being convinced by Yoh >Clear Note was defeated by Gash using the spells lended to him by all people he met along the way. What may just seem like "the power of friendship" to some shows that Gash's determination to become a good king and help others came back around in the end All of theses were done with explicit purpose by the authors to make a point rather than "Oops! All power creep" to me imo
While I haven't watched/read Shaman King and Zatch Bell, I can say that Meruem's execution was really great, yeah. I really liked what his character and eventual end represented for the story and its themes.
As someone who's writing a story on my own, my final antagonist tend to be on the overpowered achtetype, but, I feel like I achieve a pretty good ending with them, because of lore and the complexity of my power system.
Gilgamesh from Fate zero and staynight (og and ubw) does this very well. Gilgamesh was unstoppable through and through; however the character lost because of his own pride unwilling to take his opponent seriously. In stay night he lost to saber because he was unwilling to kill her. He wished to toy with her to the point she eventually got the upper hand. Gilgamesh lost to Shiro because Gilgamesh didn’t see Shiro as someone worthy of his time, it was only until the end when he realized it was too late that Shiro actually had an upperhand.
Gilgamesh is very powerful, but at the same time he is still not invincible and the most omnipotent within his universe. The world of Fate is full of servants who are capable of fighting him on equal terms and even winning under good conditions.
Aizen honestly always confused me. for a man so smart he never uses his strongest power which is why he literally requires Ichigo to beat him. Kyōka Suigetsu If he just released his Zanpakuto infront of Ichigo he would have never lost. and its not even like its hard for him to release it either. its really easy infact.
In the case of Kaido his strength has shown reasonably although he didn't kill anyone aside from Luffy but he revived shortly after, despite being called the strongest creature alive he couldn't even kill fodder like kinemon, if anyone got a plot convenience it was actually Luffy, after getting "killed" by kaido, he awakened his devil fruit and got back up to defeat Kaido, sounds ok but then you see that Luffy was actually the sun god Nika that was foreskinned 50 million years ago my Goda, yeah it kinda ruins Luffy's character by saying all his hard work that he put into his power and techniques was actually because he was a god the whole time, it retconed everything and now I root for the villains because Luffy's new toon force powers get rid of any tension.
Your point about Luffy is wrong though, everything he achieved until that moment was because of his hard work and efforts, until that moment, his fruit was not a godly fruit but a rubber fruit. Luffy did not become a godlike figure because of his fruit but his fruit awakened because he is him. There were previous user of his fruit but he is the only one who managed to awaken it, meaning that until that moment, he was not carried by it. I don’t think it ruined anything about Luffy, he earned it through his actions.
Damn the reading comprehension devil got to bro or u read one piece from comment sections cause this wasn't gonna happen always lol. There have been other users of the fruit for the past 800 years but none of them could awaken it cause they didn't master it like Luffy. Its literally just his df awakening lol. Not a whole new power outta nowhere. The awakening was expected. The only difference was the name reveal and it being way more OP than people thought. Luffy wouldn't have awakened it if he didn't have mastered it when he died.
Luffy practically now has Naruto levels a plot armor. All because Kaido was too strong and literally killed him.The worst part is kaido almost never took the fight seriously, he was drunk the whole time.still peak tho
He wasn't too strong, Luffy was putting a good fight, what fucked him up was that moment where i don't remember If It was a sneak attack or he got distracted, but It was that, he could have kept going If It wasn't that,
The other comment has mentioned Meruem from HxH, Father from FMAB as a great example of seemlessly untouchable villain done in a great way. I'd like to mentioned Griffith from Berserk after becoming a Godhand. He is also pretty much invincible and overpowered or even broken in it's own way. However, what makes Griffith invincible is not that he can blast mountain or something like that. It's his ability to manipulate causality (cause and effect). His power allows him to manipulate fate itself, not fully control it but able to be manipulated which ties in to one of berserk themes which stuggling against fate or causality. Obviously, Berserk hasn't finished amd Griffith is far from being defeated but he is great example of how his broken power is intentional to support the theme of the story itself.
Tbf, he was sticking to Shonen, so Griffith doesn't apply. And to be doubly fair, Skull Knight and Berserk armor Guts are kinda busted too, and i feel like Griffith's defeat will be a psychological one.
In my own opinion, I think an overpowered villain who was handled properly has to be Sato from Ajin (Manga) He genuinely posed a threat to the entire series but the way he was defeated was built up upon through flashbacks and hints at what the Ajin's weaknesses are, no deus ex machina nor power of friendship bs. He just got outsmarted, that's it.
I actually think sukuna is a good example. The fact that he is still fighting after fighting the jjk gauntlet shows how powerful he is, while he keeps getting weaker and weaker. Although jjk still isnt over at the time of me writing this, i do think that he will have a good defeat showing how powerful he is while not being fully impossible to beat.
Well sukuna now : Hurt in his heart Missing 2 arms At 30- 40% at max The only question is what will the blackflashes give sukuna since the Narrotor didn t finish this line " gojo regained his rct outpout after 2 blackflashes ,now in the case of the king of curses...." ... kinda scare me lol
Not Kaguya nor Madara, Sasuke was the Final Main Antagonist and Madara's conclusion fit's his character. was it satisfying? that's subjective. Madara was a man who thought of Himself as a Messiah, the saviour of this accursed world. He was so deep into it that he manipulate a fellow Uchiha for his cuz and went his way to tell him how he manipulate him. Talk no jutsu on Madara wouldn't have worked cuz he didn't had any regrests like Nagato or Obito, and Fight to the death is not something Naruto does for the most part. He wanted to reach Godhood and Die by the hands of "real GOD" He was only believed in himself, which is hinted many times through out the story from the 1st time he uses his Susano which doesn't have BACK to him getting stabbed in his back by Hashirama. It shows how he doesn't believe in passing down will, like Hashi. He did that with Obito while making His WILL(BZ) manifest. Him realising his faults and stupidity after BZ reveals the truth of Infinite Tsukuyomi is the most fitting end to his character. Madara died realizing How Hashirama's way was right. You don't have to do everything by yourself, just pass down the torch. Besides all that Both Naruto and Sasuke became powerfull to take down Madara himself. And no It wasn't plot contrivance cuz Hagoromo would have parents, right? and It was foreshadowed in reference to The tale of Bamboo Cutter which is Japanese folklore.
Kaido didn’t feel op to me he felt like a really strong boss either lots of hp. In the fight there are moments where actually takes damage and starts tiring out.
There was no problem with Kaido. It was a no brainer for any one piece reader that Luffy will defeat him with his New power up. And many make theory about this power up (some said it will be an awakening , others a New gear). Anyway as far as I am concerned Kaido ending was perfect Also for Yhwach, I think his end was underwhelming mainly because the ending was rushed, so I am 100% sure that his ending will make way more sense in the anime than in the manga. As for Sukuna, I don't think we will have a BS ending like we did with Madara or Yhwach. Personally I speculated that Yuji will awaken in this fight which will be the beginning of the end for Sukuna. And so far my prediction came true. Even tho it was easy to predict to ne fair. So I don't understand People who are wondering how Sukuna will lose when the mc isn't at his full potential yet.
The main conflict of his fight against Aang wasn't even their actual confrontation, it was just "how do I stop Ozai without killing him?" Aang could probably defeat Ozai mid-high diff if he went all out with murderous intent
11:10 really dude? From the start even Kashimo (who's also a side antagonist) was going to join the fight and we already know that Sukuna fought EVERYONE during the heian era. People with vastly different reasons had interest and reasons to attempt to fight sukuna for years. And Sukuna isn't "overpowered", he's the standard for power. Is different. For example, the problem with Naruto is that the author didn’t had a proper power scaling planned from the start and decided to push things way to much in shippuden to the point that he couldn't just end the story without breaking his own power system.
You do understand gege has wrote himself into a corner TWICE because he made characters too strong. First there was gojo who was so strong he was actually going to beat sukuna and that wouldn't have been a satisfying end to the story so he had to kill gojo in any way he could. Then there's sukuna who has been in the endless loop of gege introducing and hyping up a character, they fight sukuna and "push" him then, he gets bored, says he's gonna stop playing around and then kills them. He's not a satisfying or fun character to read now, he's just so strong that you can't do anything with an antagonist like him without him just winning. And again, that wouldn't be a satisfying end.
@@liklik7490 Sukuna's curse output is getting decreased a lot by Yuji ability to percieve the boundary of soul. He just got blackflashed lol, that is a huge damage not because of physical damage but the soul damage. It doesn't matter if Sukuna can nuke an entire city if his merged soul got ruined. I'm not even a JJK fan, the super rushed fast pacing ruined the world building to be fleshed out more and syndrom of keep killing caharcters make the characters feel like tool instead of people. I thought season 1 hype and praise are overrated, simply read it to pass time, barely analyze it... but damn the fanbase who spend more time with it still go "how are we going to beat Sukuna" when his attacks right now are so telegraphed (predictable and dodgeable), weak curse output, his merged soul is getting destroyed, unable to pull off the world slash, etc.
@@yup7380 see the problem with all that is that sukuna is still the strongest person in the verse. No matter what nerfs you give him, right now there's not a single person who touches him in power and the only person that could've actually beat him got ho'd by mahoraga. Yeah yuji can do something to sukuna, but what does he do when sukuna stops playing around again?
This dude thinks Sukuna isn't outrageously pushing the scale of jjk is hilarious he's wiping all the main cast and all the author keeps telling us is he isn't even trying like in what world is that not an outrageously op antagonist
@@liklik7490 That's the future to decide if Gege just keeps glazing Sukuna lol then it sucks. While Sukuna hasn't go all out (such as his spear and fuga), he is way too damaged and low on curse output, if he gain more curse output and healed without clear reasoning then it'd be asspull. Also, why does any of the cast has to touch Sukuna's level of power to defeat him ? Their plan right now is solid. I'd love to see Sukuna's reaction getting ruined by a boy whose motto is the opposite of "being selfish and need nobody". Anyway, Sukuna is far from the biggest problem I have with JJK story. The not really fleshed out world building, death wasted potential of many characteres are my main problems.
Kaido was done well. He was super strong and built up to be "unkillable" but legends are true until they arent. The scar on Kaido is proof that he could be defeated. He was very very strong and it took a lot to beat him and Luffy had to train, grow during battle, and unlock latent powers but it was done well.
Im confused? Aizen getting back up from final getsuga makes total sense you literally just said Hogyoku makes him immortal and constantly evolves him same way he got up from Gins Bankai. I actually respect Kubo had Urahara be the one to seal him. Urahara is smarter then Aizen and is the one who made the Hogyoku in the first place he would know its weakness better then Aizen himself it also adds to their awesome dynamic as characters the two smartest in their verse one desides to aspect the world as it is the other wants to change it. I think it would be more cheap and generic if Ichigo beat Aizen by himself I like how they defeated him
Speaking of "the invincible final enemy", I have to bring up the "Ceiling Empire" series (not the allegory, but the Chinese pronunciation is Xi Ling Empire) In the four different stories of the Ceiling Empire series, there is a common point in the design of "hostile existence". Tangible, existing in the form of "enemies" is just an obstacle that must be defeated before the final crisis. Because in the Ceiling Empire series, the real and only "final enemy" of intelligent creatures and orderly civilization is a simple fact: Everything will eventually perish, and it is not easy to survive. Whether it is the Ceiling Empire, which is immeasurably powerful and transcendent and has become one of the ultimate orders in THE VOID. Or a universe that has been plundered by an indescribable threat and is in the process of revival. Or a planet that was once destroyed by the echo of cosmic energy and performed a story of swords and magic under the gaze of an invisible planetary giant. Or a sea box garden that is barely condensed from the last ashes of countless universes, pretending that everything that once existed is still alive. Whether they are immeasurably powerful or just the last echo in the remnants of destruction, the intelligent life in the story will always form a group and then pursue the most essential thing: Survive. Four different stories show how four intelligent civilizations of different scales and origins face the final crisis of "the end of all things" in their own ways. In their stories, a villain, a sinful collective, a group of madmen with all their conspiracies and malice, a group of "necessary evils" who go crazy in despair after facing unacceptable truths, or the real "enemy of civilization" are all pale and powerless in the face of "the end of all things". Because there is no malice, no conspiracy, no crime, no despair and madness. Everything will eventually perish, that's it. However, the meaning of civilization and wisdom is revealed in this inevitability. Yes, everything will eventually perish, but that is only what already exists. The meaning of wisdom is thinking and creation, and the meaning of civilization is to gather the power of countless individuals to create something bigger, larger than life. And these things, at least, are longer-lasting and less likely to perish. With the understanding and cognition of all things in the world, with the research and analysis of them, and with the mastery of the laws of the universe. The future direction of intelligent civilization is to transcend the limitations of a single cosmological system and become a multiverse civilization that has stepped out of the largest cradle. But this is not easy, especially for some special worlds, it is even more difficult. In the latest book in the series, "The Infinite Sea" is an ocean that exists in a seemingly flat earth world, surrounded by non-material gray fog and with hundreds of islands. There is a city-state civilization on each island, and they rely on sea transportation and logistics to communicate with each other. They master steampunk-level technology and coexist with countless "anomalies" and "anomalous entities". The whole story looks like the SCP Foundation, Backrooms, Gemini Home Entertainment, Vita Carnis and other Analog Horror-themed things are all thrown into a concrete mixer for fifteen minutes, and then poured into a box garden stage suspended in an indescribable void, not smaller than a planet, but not even as big as an ocean. As the protagonist's understanding of this world deepens step by step, the truth begins to emerge. Every abnormal entity is a remnant of a former universe. Every abnormal phenomenon is the last echo of the basic laws of other universes and everything that has ever existed. In fact, this world is made of the remaining embers after countless universes collided and exploded with each other. The universe is dead, and the "universe will" that was born for a moment is also dead. What remains here are just countless echoes that are unwilling to admit that everything is dead. The essence of the protagonist is the last relic of a human civilization that has developed for more than 40,000 years and almost successfully escaped this disaster. A mathematical machine called "anti-singularity", a "critical transcendence system" that can accommodate all the conflicting rules of this pile of debris and can reintegrate it. Now, the protagonist has embarked on the journey of recalculating the anchor point of all basic laws, preparing to make the "final death of all things" that has been delayed until now happen, and then rebuild everything. There is no "ultimate invincible enemy" more desperate than this story, but at the same time full of hope. The ultimate law of nature is "everything will eventually perish", and the existence of intelligent life is the defiance of this ultimate law.
Kaido is an overpowered character and the strongest luffy ever faced. He did meet expectations in strength and got hit with a lot trying to take him down. Only thing is luffy got several power ups and his progression of power was super fast. His new form came out of nowhere with no real downside
luffy literally just awakened his fruit just like law and kid did it just happens to be op so people are mad even then he still had a good final fight with kaido and a final clash and didn't just beat him with some magic oneshot ability, kaido isn't even the final villain anyways
Kaido is OK His main thing is his body is hard to damage. Luffy learns the trick to hurt him even though there is still some challenge my only complaint is gear 5, it was expected Luffy would awaken his Devil fruit. But I don't see why adding a cartoon character in an already cartoon world. The issue with OP villains seems very recent I mean besides JoJo's bizarre parts 2, 5, and 6, I don't have Shonen manga released before Bleach and Naruto which had this issue. I mean the threat that the villain represents is here but their defeat is satisfying.
I think I was really irritated at bleach when I was a child because they were like eyes and lost because he wanted to lose and because he's like power makes things reality it was the stupidest f****** cop out ever
As a One Piece fan, i can tell you that those who think kaido's fight was drawn out completely miss the point of his character and mostly ignored his dialogue which slowly reveals more abt him throughout the huffs and puffs. He is an antithesis of his power which is really ironic, and thus a perfect way for lufdy to first show his liberating attribute as it is after guving him defeat that he showed him that it wasn't too late and that he could still achieve his dreams. But alas, READ ONE PIECE.
Nide video but I had to skip most of it as I want to watch JJK and not be spoiled, and also to watch the rest of Bleach. Also Madara is probably my fav character from Naruto and if they had something better to win over him maybe I would see him more as a villan, like this it looks like bs.
This is not an anime but an overpowered vilian that should have won was god from supernatural the story build him as an unstoppable force yet he lost to Jack but to be fair I think he was very arrogant and that was the only reason he lost besides nephillim being busted in supernatural.
My own personal solution im doing for my own story is to actually give the main characters their own op abilities and weapons. Obviously this needs to be properly built up its not gonna be ass pulls its gonna be years of effort and training. Nothing wrong with an op villain i just see the solution as more of an unstoppable force meets an immovable object i want my readers thinking both how on earth does the main villain lose and how could these protagonists ever lose? Also hes getting jumped i hate that too many series just set it as a series of 1v1s why cant the characters do combo moves why cant they blend their techniques together? Thats whats most infuriating to me about jjk it took 20 chapters for the characters to do what they said the plan was to actually jump Sukuna even Kashimo says everyone should be going all out from the start they are just idiots trying to do all these half ass strategies plus Yuji deus ex machina big time incoming
@@TenniseggSort of. The series kinda just became _"can the protagonists unlock a new stat boost glowy hair form before the antagonist blows up the planet"_ after Vegeta was defeated. It's not always exactly like that, and even the asspull powerups the protags get because *"You hurt my fwends >:("* are hype moments in the story. But yeah I still think pure writing quality wise the original Dragon Ball is Toriyama's best work, no BS, no 50 different stat boost forms that become useless due to power creep, actual fights where Goku uses his *brains* not just his fists.
kaido was done well understanable that his devil fruit wasnt for him so thats why he couldnt awaken and im satisfied with that
I like how Meruem was handled. He was a threat to Earth's ecosystem, and when the strongest human failed to kill him, it was human engineering that managed to successfully do the job.
You mean the author hate japan because meruem is the Japanese empire while netero is the usa when the usa or netero do anything to make meruem or japanese surrender but didnt happen they had too use atomic bomb or netero heart come on its so obvious kinda cringe toobtw
@@OshixOshischool, you need it
I love it because Meruem saw their fight as a game which he was winning but Meruem never accounted for the fact that when some people are losing they’ll flip over the board so that we both lose
What Netero did was essentially when you flip over the board in a game of chess or monopoly so that both you and your opponent lose
@@OshixOshiI strive to have as little understanding of writing fiction as you do.
That's why I generally like the "final" villan that appears right before, or about 2 villan reveals before the true final villan. They're usually insanely strong, but at that point in the story, our hero is also equally insanely strong. Making for an almost equal and spectacular clash that our hero wins satisfactorily.
You're absolutely right now that I think about it. The second to final, or third to final villain is always right on balance.
Actually, yeah. A few come to mind. Pain from Naruto. Grimmjow or Ulquiorra from Bleach. Mahito from jjk. Reiner and Bertholdt from aot. They all also happen to be villains with longstanding rivalries with the MCs.
@@samirraza9069yeeaaahhhh, based.
Someone in the comments mentioned Muzan as a bad example of an overpowered final villain. And in Demon Slayer, the second to last villain, Kokushibo, I think is brilliant. It feels like they had to pull out all the stops to beat him and everyone contributed in major ways. If even one of those characters wasn’t present, everyone would’ve died.
@@ultimatehope549 tbh demon slayer final battles were mostly plot armor
Not only muzans fight
Only example of this I can think of that isn't infuriating to see them be defeated by BS is Father in FMAB, especially considering the whole series and all the characters were building towards finding a way to defeat him and stop his plan.
Funny cuz I just finished FMA manga yesterday and I had no qualms with Father's defeat
It made complete sense that this godlike being was defeated because this was literally years in the making and people working together
No black zetsu, no funny arrow, no dumb stuff like that
Just basic counterteaming and teamwork I love it
@@Sappysappsteryeah I think father defeat make sense. It was his hubris and even though he was super charged he wasn't as good with alchemy as Ed was. Plus Ed thought of a unique way to defeat him. They literally used everything they had
@@SappysappsterSo you don't think Madaras hubris how he thought he could manipulate everyone even Obito and never thought he could be manipulated madaras ending was gold
@@orpheemulemo8053 NO 💯
I think what makes it work is that firstly, they immediately give his godlike power a limit. Nobody is defeating someone who can make a sun in their hand, but if every time he uses his powers he has less control? Now there’s a potential way to beat him. Not to mention he had distinct flaws in his combat ability that are tied to character and aren’t just “he’s cocky lmao”. Father doesn’t really know how to fight because he doesn’t get his hands all that dirty and puts himself above all others. So when Ed outboxes him, it’s satisfying and completely natural.
The reason for them being op is simply to make it intresting, so that the watcher can think "how can the mc defeat them". The problem is, the author makes them TOO overpowered so at the conclusion the thing that defeats them is usually some asspull or a powerup for no real reason other then to make the villain lose, perfect example being final fight in Bleach
A good example is Muzan, that shit was infuriating.
"Actually, we had a third antidote the entire time that gives you super cancer! Checkmate Muzan!"
@@pintschannelnaw super cancer and std
Low-key I wonder what non cancer full power muzan would look like in a serious fight even fight. He either solos or gets soloed in his verse. Like what would be his blood demon art. Would he have been able to destroy several cities?
@@pintschannel super cancer and std
Tamayos Revenge
A couple of things:
1) A final villain needs to be a threat to the protagonists to be effective (doesn't matter if this threat is physical, spiritual, or psychological). Because the progression of the characters is usually so extreme at the point they confront the "final boss", they need to be suitably powerful to be that threat.
2) Certain antagonists have the odds heavily stacked against them and thus need to suitably powerful to survive and continue to be a threat to the protagonists. Sukuna is an example of this type of villain. Sukuna is in a human cage for much of the series and has to manipulate and await his opportunity. When he gets it, the odds are still stacked against him. Not only is he against a long list of protagonists, but other characters are gunning for him to. Since he is established as one of the strongest characters in the series since literally the first chapter (which bares his name), it makes sense that he would be a pillar of strength for the series.
3) The key to a successful OP antagonist is the nerfing process (assuming they will lose). Were actions taken by the protagonists - however small - forcing said antagonist to make choices and sacrifices? Did prolonged battle, injuries, mistakes, or teamwork make up the difference? This process can be effective as a long drawn out process where the villain loses via attrition, or it can come in the form of a single mistake like arm severing or debilitating side effect.
In short, OP antagonists are fine. They just need to be properly established and properly nerfed before their defeat. Sukuna is an example of both of these done right (or so far he is, he is not done yet) and Madara is an example of the nerfing process done poorly.
Kaido was actually pretty fair. dude wasn’t broken or anything just really strong. It did take gear 5 to beat him but he was getting hurt before gear 5 just speed up the process.
Exactly, literally the majority of wano was Luffy learning and perfecting the way of breaching kaidos defenses which once he did he was dealing tons of damage to him and the world government had to butt into his fight
Yhwach conclusion is definitely gonna change in the anime. Trust
We can hope
I think they'll probably foreshadow it more and add more flash backs and back story behind it like how we got that backflash for the almighty, or maybe we get aizens bankai
@@thefarmer6541 i think they should just scrap the whole idea of the arrow,also 2 cour passed and there hasnt been an extra scene mentioning the arrow,if kubo wanted to perfect it wouldve made it the building of the arrow a plotlines itself, a ryuken plotlines with the arrow couldve been peak,i hope kubo just dont throw 1 or 2 extra scenes in cour 4 at the last minute just to do his homework.....the best way possible would be a crazy team up with bankai ichigo with a fkn explanation of his bankai and idk maybe even bankai aizen?in some novels its stated he hasnt one but idek if kubo even care or will stick to it,if kubo want he can be a really good writer but he sometimes get lost in weird gimmicks
@@antooh1167 i feel like uryu ability will be the key factor. Because it was hyped up by jugram to be the counter to the almighty so uryu might assist ichigo in defeating yhwach.
It could also be poetic how uryu(a Quincy) teams up with ichigo(shinigami) to kill his father although they should be enemies.
I think thats why uryu is getting more screentime.
Kubo is cooking up something w my boy
@@pkay8357 oh yh i forgot abt uryu but yh he should be a key factor do defeat yhwach other than coming just to throw an arrow and call it a day
I feel like dbz did a pretty good job with powerful seemingly untouchable villains, and the protagonists were eventually able to overcome them and it felt fair.
Yeah, decently so, most DBZ villains are just super strong they don't have any crazy hax abilities so when the protagonists get strong enough to defeat them it feels more natural
@@pintschannelReally? I feel like everyone expect Jiren.
Freida: Had several transformations, so our main characters didn’t know how strong they had to get to beat him.
Cell: crazy regen and adaptation
Buu: Weird magic powers
Goku Black: Immortal and time travel shenanigans
Hit: Time skip is his entire thing
Jiren: Got nothing special
@@Redacted_Rulerthey had hax but their hax isn’t super crazy compared to some other animes, with enough pure brute strength and speed the hax can be overcome
@@Redacted_Ruler I mean Jiren isn’t dbz so thats not what we’re talking about.
@@DukDolan your right I’m retarded. Cell still counts though.
imo meruem is an example of a overpowered villain done right,he got his crazy fight with netero,which he won but in the end he still basically lost to humanity dark ways and then died in a very romantic way,togashi was smoking crack while writing chimera ant bc idek know he came up with that idea,hes just crazy good,hopefully he dont fumble into this with tserridonich which if u read the manga u know how powerful that mf is
Sukuna being overpowered is fine on its own, him beating every single fighter is fine, but what's not fine is the story tells us that he's still "holding back". Like wow, he holds back so hard he passes out for a second when gojo hit him with a black flash. Basically the story is telling us that no matter the progress of our heroes, its all for naught because sukuna havent been using 2% of his power (thanks gaygay for this dumbass approach for this villain)
He held back against gojo to further hone his abilities, that's how gojo was able to land some serious critical hits when if sukuna was going all out it would've been different, against the rest of the cast he really doesn't have to go all out as their strength bores him and his domain is a literal instant death for anyone not named gojo or yuji as it's so powerful and he can cast it countless times before he runs out of CE, to make it easier to understand it's like a mma champion having to fight a bunch of guys in a brawl, he knows he outclasses all of them and has no thrill in the fight, that doesn't mean that they can't catch him by surprise and land a good blow genuinely hurting him
@@charlesguillergan8759he didnt hold back against gojo lol
@@wtfhahahaha except he did as he was only using 10 shadows to further break megumi and to train his technique not to mention that gojo literally said he wasn't going all out
@@charlesguillergan8759he was also using his own techniques
"All the time"
Let gege cook, dude.
he can't cook bruv
@@ContractorOfEnten 💀 The irony, considering your account.
We can only pray for the defeat of Sukuna, for all we know Gege might just end it on a bad ending
@@sageoverheaven I don't find it ironic I just find the character funny
@@sageoverheaven What's the irony exactly? You can like a show and still think the author isn't that good at writing or is just cooking straight up trash. I like JJK too but what Gege been "cooking" up in the manga recently and can also see bit through out the early parts, can be disappointing. Bro was cooking but now he is just heating up leftovers.
I stopped watching bleach after aizen was defeated... Ichigo losing all his powers felt like a pulled- out-of-the-ass convenient plot point to keep the show going and starting over to keep milking the cash cow.
The new arc is peak tho
Worst take of all time. Just read the fullbring arc.
Not to defend bad writing but the thing most people dont seem to realise is that sometimes a Manga gets so popular that the artist is made to extend it and thats what happened with Bleach. Cleearly Kubo hadnt planneed much past Aizen and you can tell with the story.
@@ngubod16definetely not what happened with bleach
@matthewwhoseph6437 it is literally the cost for Ichigo using his ultimate power. It isn’t plot convenience. Him losing all his powers is a good excuse for him having the Final Getsuga for a moment.
Well the answer is pretty simple. The final antagonist is usually solo. So they have to be strong enough to take on an army of heroes all by themselves.
I'm pretty sure Gege said that he already knows how JJK ends before they were even close to the end of JJK.
Aizen not only op he also handsome af
Kaido was done perfectly nothing more can be said 😂
Good video and an interesting topic, but i don't like the conclusion. If making a point means writing a worse story, then that wasn't the right story to make that point (or the point is just wrong).
I feel like the correct answer is the one you gave earlier, that most of the time writers just write themselves into a trap; a stronger villain is hype but they go overboard, not thinking how the heroes will be able to beat him/her.
Fair enough! Either could be the case, but I just wanted to end on a lighter note rather than a negative one
You know a perfect handling of the power creep?
Cell.
How do you go upwards from Frieza, one of the strongest beings in the universe? How do you get a main villain even stronger if the main cast is the strongest? Why, you make the main villain an amalgamation of the powers of the main cast. The absorption ability is also NASTY. Cell being stronger than Frieza makes sense
One I really loved was A Certain Magical Index, in Old Testament the first cour, the villain lost with everything already being hinted and because their own ability worked against them as spoiler their ability was to be stronger than their enemy but they targeted the planet
Some villains I weirdly never see brought up in the discussion of overpowered shonen final bosses are Meruem from HunterxHunter, Hao from Shaman King and Clear Note from Zatch Bell
What set these guys apart from all the others for me, is that they seemed to be tailor made by the author to be grossly overpowered
to the point where nobody could feasibly beat them
"Wait but isn't that like the others mentioned in the video?"
Not necessarily. Whilst people like Madara, Yhwach, and Sukuna were made to be super duper strong, it was obvious that the author wanted them to be beaten
It's just that they got to go overboard and made it so thst they couldn't be beaten without some hax or plot
But these guys i mentioned seemed to be tailor made so that literally NO ONE could beat them normally
>Meruem is the pinnacle of nen and is a super genius. He has strength higher than anyone we've seen. And he only grows stronger
>Hao from Shaman King has the spirit of fire that he can quickcast faster than any shaman, over 1.25 MILLION points worth of mana, and literal decades worth of knowledge
>Clear Note has Annihilation Magic. It literally degrades anything it touches. Do the math
But i realized they all had one thing in common:
The author used their overpowered nature to make a point
>Meruem, despite all his power, was taken down by a wack nuke. Showing the cruelty and boundless animosity in humans
>Hao became Shaman King but failed in his Shaman Only world. As he gave humanity another chance once being convinced by Yoh
>Clear Note was defeated by Gash using the spells lended to him by all people he met along the way. What may just seem like "the power of friendship" to some shows that Gash's determination to become a good king and help others came back around in the end
All of theses were done with explicit purpose by the authors to make a point rather than "Oops! All power creep" to me imo
While I haven't watched/read Shaman King and Zatch Bell, I can say that Meruem's execution was really great, yeah. I really liked what his character and eventual end represented for the story and its themes.
Meruem is more of pinnacle of evolution instead of nen, he beat a nen master without mastering nen lol but I agree with what ur trying to said
Looking at you *Ywhach* and *Sukuna* 👀
As someone who's writing a story on my own, my final antagonist tend to be on the overpowered achtetype, but, I feel like I achieve a pretty good ending with them, because of lore and the complexity of my power system.
Gilgamesh from Fate zero and staynight (og and ubw) does this very well. Gilgamesh was unstoppable through and through; however the character lost because of his own pride unwilling to take his opponent seriously.
In stay night he lost to saber because he was unwilling to kill her. He wished to toy with her to the point she eventually got the upper hand.
Gilgamesh lost to Shiro because Gilgamesh didn’t see Shiro as someone worthy of his time, it was only until the end when he realized it was too late that Shiro actually had an upperhand.
Gilgamesh is very powerful, but at the same time he is still not invincible and the most omnipotent within his universe. The world of Fate is full of servants who are capable of fighting him on equal terms and even winning under good conditions.
Aizen honestly always confused me. for a man so smart he never uses his strongest power which is why he literally requires Ichigo to beat him.
Kyōka Suigetsu
If he just released his Zanpakuto infront of Ichigo he would have never lost. and its not even like its hard for him to release it either. its really easy infact.
Didn't he wanted to merge 1 with his zanpakuto so his whole body was Kyoka?!
it's just plot convenience
In the case of Kaido his strength has shown reasonably although he didn't kill anyone aside from Luffy but he revived shortly after, despite being called the strongest creature alive he couldn't even kill fodder like kinemon, if anyone got a plot convenience it was actually Luffy, after getting "killed" by kaido, he awakened his devil fruit and got back up to defeat Kaido, sounds ok but then you see that Luffy was actually the sun god Nika that was foreskinned 50 million years ago my Goda, yeah it kinda ruins Luffy's character by saying all his hard work that he put into his power and techniques was actually because he was a god the whole time, it retconed everything and now I root for the villains because Luffy's new toon force powers get rid of any tension.
Your point about Luffy is wrong though, everything he achieved until that moment was because of his hard work and efforts, until that moment, his fruit was not a godly fruit but a rubber fruit. Luffy did not become a godlike figure because of his fruit but his fruit awakened because he is him. There were previous user of his fruit but he is the only one who managed to awaken it, meaning that until that moment, he was not carried by it. I don’t think it ruined anything about Luffy, he earned it through his actions.
it wasnt awakened for 800 years, so that should be more impressive than his hard work
Luffy managed to awaken gear 5 because of his hard work. If you don't get that, your whole argument is wrong.
Damn the reading comprehension devil got to bro or u read one piece from comment sections cause this wasn't gonna happen always lol. There have been other users of the fruit for the past 800 years but none of them could awaken it cause they didn't master it like Luffy. Its literally just his df awakening lol. Not a whole new power outta nowhere. The awakening was expected. The only difference was the name reveal and it being way more OP than people thought. Luffy wouldn't have awakened it if he didn't have mastered it when he died.
Having a fruit doesn't mean awakening It, every fruit can but not everyone can bring out that
Luffy practically now has Naruto levels a plot armor. All because Kaido was too strong and literally killed him.The worst part is kaido almost never took the fight seriously, he was drunk the whole time.still peak tho
He wasn't too strong, Luffy was putting a good fight, what fucked him up was that moment where i don't remember If It was a sneak attack or he got distracted, but It was that, he could have kept going If It wasn't that,
Idk how you took that entire fight as kaido not taking it seriously but nice try
@@microcelltechnicalassistence the CP0 agent held Luffy's punch
The other comment has mentioned Meruem from HxH, Father from FMAB as a great example of seemlessly untouchable villain done in a great way.
I'd like to mentioned Griffith from Berserk after becoming a Godhand. He is also pretty much invincible and overpowered or even broken in it's own way.
However, what makes Griffith invincible is not that he can blast mountain or something like that. It's his ability to manipulate causality (cause and effect). His power allows him to manipulate fate itself, not fully control it but able to be manipulated which ties in to one of berserk themes which stuggling against fate or causality.
Obviously, Berserk hasn't finished amd Griffith is far from being defeated but he is great example of how his broken power is intentional to support the theme of the story itself.
Tbf, he was sticking to Shonen, so Griffith doesn't apply. And to be doubly fair, Skull Knight and Berserk armor Guts are kinda busted too, and i feel like Griffith's defeat will be a psychological one.
In my own opinion, I think an overpowered villain who was handled properly has to be Sato from Ajin (Manga)
He genuinely posed a threat to the entire series but the way he was defeated was built up upon through flashbacks and hints at what the Ajin's weaknesses are, no deus ex machina nor power of friendship bs. He just got outsmarted, that's it.
I actually think sukuna is a good example. The fact that he is still fighting after fighting the jjk gauntlet shows how powerful he is, while he keeps getting weaker and weaker. Although jjk still isnt over at the time of me writing this, i do think that he will have a good defeat showing how powerful he is while not being fully impossible to beat.
Well sukuna now :
Hurt in his heart
Missing 2 arms
At 30- 40% at max
The only question is what will the blackflashes give sukuna since the
Narrotor didn t finish this line " gojo regained his rct outpout after 2 blackflashes ,now in the case of the king of curses...."
... kinda scare me lol
Not Kaguya nor Madara, Sasuke was the Final Main Antagonist
and
Madara's conclusion fit's his character.
was it satisfying? that's subjective.
Madara was a man who thought of Himself as a Messiah, the saviour of this accursed world. He was so deep into it that he manipulate a fellow Uchiha for his cuz and went his way to tell him how he manipulate him.
Talk no jutsu on Madara wouldn't have worked cuz he didn't had any regrests like Nagato or Obito,
and Fight to the death is not something Naruto does for the most part.
He wanted to reach Godhood and Die by the hands of "real GOD"
He was only believed in himself, which is hinted many times through out the story from the 1st time he uses his Susano which doesn't have BACK to him getting stabbed in his back by Hashirama.
It shows how he doesn't believe in passing down will, like Hashi. He did that with Obito while making His WILL(BZ) manifest.
Him realising his faults and stupidity after BZ reveals the truth of Infinite Tsukuyomi is the most fitting end to his character.
Madara died realizing How Hashirama's way was right.
You don't have to do everything by yourself, just pass down the torch.
Besides all that Both Naruto and Sasuke became powerfull to take down Madara himself.
And no It wasn't plot contrivance cuz Hagoromo would have parents, right? and It was foreshadowed in reference to The tale of Bamboo Cutter which is Japanese folklore.
Kaido didn’t feel op to me he felt like a really strong boss either lots of hp. In the fight there are moments where actually takes damage and starts tiring out.
Kaido was done very well he was very very powerful but other than when Luffy got one shot I could see him I never really thought he was unbeatable.
There was no problem with Kaido. It was a no brainer for any one piece reader that Luffy will defeat him with his New power up. And many make theory about this power up (some said it will be an awakening , others a New gear).
Anyway as far as I am concerned Kaido ending was perfect
Also for Yhwach, I think his end was underwhelming mainly because the ending was rushed, so I am 100% sure that his ending will make way more sense in the anime than in the manga.
As for Sukuna, I don't think we will have a BS ending like we did with Madara or Yhwach. Personally I speculated that Yuji will awaken in this fight which will be the beginning of the end for Sukuna. And so far my prediction came true. Even tho it was easy to predict to ne fair. So I don't understand People who are wondering how Sukuna will lose when the mc isn't at his full potential yet.
I wouldn't say every main villain, like Ozai wasn't too op he was just strong
He's a cartoon villain. Cartoon villains generally aren't crazy op like Anime villains.
@sparkls4492 Not really alot of cartrin villains are insanely strong for example Darkseid in dcau
The main conflict of his fight against Aang wasn't even their actual confrontation, it was just "how do I stop Ozai without killing him?"
Aang could probably defeat Ozai mid-high diff if he went all out with murderous intent
11:10 really dude? From the start even Kashimo (who's also a side antagonist) was going to join the fight and we already know that Sukuna fought EVERYONE during the heian era. People with vastly different reasons had interest and reasons to attempt to fight sukuna for years. And Sukuna isn't "overpowered", he's the standard for power. Is different. For example, the problem with Naruto is that the author didn’t had a proper power scaling planned from the start and decided to push things way to much in shippuden to the point that he couldn't just end the story without breaking his own power system.
You do understand gege has wrote himself into a corner TWICE because he made characters too strong. First there was gojo who was so strong he was actually going to beat sukuna and that wouldn't have been a satisfying end to the story so he had to kill gojo in any way he could. Then there's sukuna who has been in the endless loop of gege introducing and hyping up a character, they fight sukuna and "push" him then, he gets bored, says he's gonna stop playing around and then kills them. He's not a satisfying or fun character to read now, he's just so strong that you can't do anything with an antagonist like him without him just winning. And again, that wouldn't be a satisfying end.
@@liklik7490 Sukuna's curse output is getting decreased a lot by Yuji ability to percieve the boundary of soul. He just got blackflashed lol, that is a huge damage not because of physical damage but the soul damage.
It doesn't matter if Sukuna can nuke an entire city if his merged soul got ruined.
I'm not even a JJK fan, the super rushed fast pacing ruined the world building to be fleshed out more and syndrom of keep killing caharcters make the characters feel like tool instead of people. I thought season 1 hype and praise are overrated, simply read it to pass time, barely analyze it...
but damn the fanbase who spend more time with it still go "how are we going to beat Sukuna" when his attacks right now are so telegraphed (predictable and dodgeable), weak curse output, his merged soul is getting destroyed, unable to pull off the world slash, etc.
@@yup7380 see the problem with all that is that sukuna is still the strongest person in the verse. No matter what nerfs you give him, right now there's not a single person who touches him in power and the only person that could've actually beat him got ho'd by mahoraga. Yeah yuji can do something to sukuna, but what does he do when sukuna stops playing around again?
This dude thinks Sukuna isn't outrageously pushing the scale of jjk is hilarious he's wiping all the main cast and all the author keeps telling us is he isn't even trying like in what world is that not an outrageously op antagonist
@@liklik7490 That's the future to decide if Gege just keeps glazing Sukuna lol then it sucks.
While Sukuna hasn't go all out (such as his spear and fuga), he is way too damaged and low on curse output, if he gain more curse output and healed without clear reasoning then it'd be asspull.
Also, why does any of the cast has to touch Sukuna's level of power to defeat him ? Their plan right now is solid.
I'd love to see Sukuna's reaction getting ruined by a boy whose motto is the opposite of "being selfish and need nobody".
Anyway, Sukuna is far from the biggest problem I have with JJK story. The not really fleshed out world building, death wasted potential of many characteres are my main problems.
Kaido was done well. He was super strong and built up to be "unkillable" but legends are true until they arent. The scar on Kaido is proof that he could be defeated.
He was very very strong and it took a lot to beat him and Luffy had to train, grow during battle, and unlock latent powers but it was done well.
Im confused? Aizen getting back up from final getsuga makes total sense you literally just said Hogyoku makes him immortal and constantly evolves him same way he got up from Gins Bankai. I actually respect Kubo had Urahara be the one to seal him. Urahara is smarter then Aizen and is the one who made the Hogyoku in the first place he would know its weakness better then Aizen himself it also adds to their awesome dynamic as characters the two smartest in their verse one desides to aspect the world as it is the other wants to change it. I think it would be more cheap and generic if Ichigo beat Aizen by himself I like how they defeated him
Rewatch the video, the dude said he actually liked how Aizen was dealt with
Speaking of "the invincible final enemy", I have to bring up the "Ceiling Empire" series (not the allegory, but the Chinese pronunciation is Xi Ling Empire)
In the four different stories of the Ceiling Empire series, there is a common point in the design of "hostile existence". Tangible, existing in the form of "enemies" is just an obstacle that must be defeated before the final crisis. Because in the Ceiling Empire series, the real and only "final enemy" of intelligent creatures and orderly civilization is a simple fact:
Everything will eventually perish, and it is not easy to survive.
Whether it is the Ceiling Empire, which is immeasurably powerful and transcendent and has become one of the ultimate orders in THE VOID. Or a universe that has been plundered by an indescribable threat and is in the process of revival. Or a planet that was once destroyed by the echo of cosmic energy and performed a story of swords and magic under the gaze of an invisible planetary giant. Or a sea box garden that is barely condensed from the last ashes of countless universes, pretending that everything that once existed is still alive. Whether they are immeasurably powerful or just the last echo in the remnants of destruction, the intelligent life in the story will always form a group and then pursue the most essential thing:
Survive.
Four different stories show how four intelligent civilizations of different scales and origins face the final crisis of "the end of all things" in their own ways. In their stories, a villain, a sinful collective, a group of madmen with all their conspiracies and malice, a group of "necessary evils" who go crazy in despair after facing unacceptable truths, or the real "enemy of civilization" are all pale and powerless in the face of "the end of all things". Because there is no malice, no conspiracy, no crime, no despair and madness.
Everything will eventually perish, that's it.
However, the meaning of civilization and wisdom is revealed in this inevitability. Yes, everything will eventually perish, but that is only what already exists. The meaning of wisdom is thinking and creation, and the meaning of civilization is to gather the power of countless individuals to create something bigger, larger than life. And these things, at least, are longer-lasting and less likely to perish.
With the understanding and cognition of all things in the world, with the research and analysis of them, and with the mastery of the laws of the universe. The future direction of intelligent civilization is to transcend the limitations of a single cosmological system and become a multiverse civilization that has stepped out of the largest cradle.
But this is not easy, especially for some special worlds, it is even more difficult. In the latest book in the series, "The Infinite Sea" is an ocean that exists in a seemingly flat earth world, surrounded by non-material gray fog and with hundreds of islands. There is a city-state civilization on each island, and they rely on sea transportation and logistics to communicate with each other. They master steampunk-level technology and coexist with countless "anomalies" and "anomalous entities".
The whole story looks like the SCP Foundation, Backrooms, Gemini Home Entertainment, Vita Carnis and other Analog Horror-themed things are all thrown into a concrete mixer for fifteen minutes, and then poured into a box garden stage suspended in an indescribable void, not smaller than a planet, but not even as big as an ocean.
As the protagonist's understanding of this world deepens step by step, the truth begins to emerge. Every abnormal entity is a remnant of a former universe. Every abnormal phenomenon is the last echo of the basic laws of other universes and everything that has ever existed. In fact, this world is made of the remaining embers after countless universes collided and exploded with each other. The universe is dead, and the "universe will" that was born for a moment is also dead. What remains here are just countless echoes that are unwilling to admit that everything is dead.
The essence of the protagonist is the last relic of a human civilization that has developed for more than 40,000 years and almost successfully escaped this disaster. A mathematical machine called "anti-singularity", a "critical transcendence system" that can accommodate all the conflicting rules of this pile of debris and can reintegrate it.
Now, the protagonist has embarked on the journey of recalculating the anchor point of all basic laws, preparing to make the "final death of all things" that has been delayed until now happen, and then rebuild everything.
There is no "ultimate invincible enemy" more desperate than this story, but at the same time full of hope. The ultimate law of nature is "everything will eventually perish", and the existence of intelligent life is the defiance of this ultimate law.
That sounds amazing, what's the exact name of the series? Nothing pops up when I look up "ceiling empire"
Kaido is an overpowered character and the strongest luffy ever faced. He did meet expectations in strength and got hit with a lot trying to take him down. Only thing is luffy got several power ups and his progression of power was super fast. His new form came out of nowhere with no real downside
luffy literally just awakened his fruit just like law and kid did it just happens to be op so people are mad even then he still had a good final fight with kaido and a final clash and didn't just beat him with some magic oneshot ability, kaido isn't even the final villain anyways
Kaido is OK
His main thing is his body is hard to damage. Luffy learns the trick to hurt him even though there is still some challenge my only complaint is gear 5, it was expected Luffy would awaken his Devil fruit. But I don't see why adding a cartoon character in an already cartoon world.
The issue with OP villains seems very recent I mean besides JoJo's bizarre parts 2, 5, and 6, I don't have Shonen manga released before Bleach and Naruto which had this issue. I mean the threat that the villain represents is here but their defeat is satisfying.
The main villain needs to be overpowered because they need to a actual treat to the MC.
You can be a threat without being op
Yhwach will prolly get a better ending in the Anime Kubo was very ill and rushed writing the end of bleach I doubt it’ll be as contrived for the anime
Also madara can control time. Shown in the storm games which are 100% fully canon.
They‘re not canon.
@@Imoha-fz5nm they are. Just look up in these words "kishimoto and cc2 CEO confirming storm games are canon".
Non canon
"First cour" bruh could have just said the og bleach series😂😂
I think I was really irritated at bleach when I was a child because they were like eyes and lost because he wanted to lose and because he's like power makes things reality it was the stupidest f****** cop out ever
As a One Piece fan, i can tell you that those who think kaido's fight was drawn out completely miss the point of his character and mostly ignored his dialogue which slowly reveals more abt him throughout the huffs and puffs. He is an antithesis of his power which is really ironic, and thus a perfect way for lufdy to first show his liberating attribute as it is after guving him defeat that he showed him that it wasn't too late and that he could still achieve his dreams. But alas, READ ONE PIECE.
Nide video but I had to skip most of it as I want to watch JJK and not be spoiled, and also to watch the rest of Bleach. Also Madara is probably my fav character from Naruto and if they had something better to win over him maybe I would see him more as a villan, like this it looks like bs.
This is not an anime but an overpowered vilian that should have won was god from supernatural the story build him as an unstoppable force yet he lost to Jack but to be fair I think he was very arrogant and that was the only reason he lost besides nephillim being busted in supernatural.
That’s why chainsaw man has the best main villian
Is it Makima
Yujis black flashes nerf Sukuna.
My own personal solution im doing for my own story is to actually give the main characters their own op abilities and weapons. Obviously this needs to be properly built up its not gonna be ass pulls its gonna be years of effort and training. Nothing wrong with an op villain i just see the solution as more of an unstoppable force meets an immovable object i want my readers thinking both how on earth does the main villain lose and how could these protagonists ever lose? Also hes getting jumped i hate that too many series just set it as a series of 1v1s why cant the characters do combo moves why cant they blend their techniques together? Thats whats most infuriating to me about jjk it took 20 chapters for the characters to do what they said the plan was to actually jump Sukuna even Kashimo says everyone should be going all out from the start they are just idiots trying to do all these half ass strategies plus Yuji deus ex machina big time incoming
The solution is simple, Just make both equals or with fluctuating skills levels during the fight
Not in Dbz!
All the super sayain forms just pulled out the ass
@@TenniseggSort of. The series kinda just became _"can the protagonists unlock a new stat boost glowy hair form before the antagonist blows up the planet"_ after Vegeta was defeated.
It's not always exactly like that, and even the asspull powerups the protags get because *"You hurt my fwends >:("* are hype moments in the story.
But yeah I still think pure writing quality wise the original Dragon Ball is Toriyama's best work, no BS, no 50 different stat boost forms that become useless due to power creep, actual fights where Goku uses his *brains* not just his fists.