The Fanatic (Dead Meat Podcast #85)
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- Опубліковано 22 сер 2024
- D-E-A-D MEAT PODCAST IS HERE to review the film that's bringing Fred Durst an Oscar, babeeeyyy- 2019's THE FANATIC.
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As someone who has autism, but also have an autistic brother, I’ve seen parts of this film and I do agree that this depiction can be seen as harmful and I’m glad you guys talked about it (also I loved hearing Rachel’s opinion) and you guys did a great job explaining the topic!
How's this harmful?
Having recently been fired and going through an incredibly rough point in my life, Dead Meat has been a huge anchor in keeping my head above water. I’ve been on a binge, rewatching old videos and podcasts, even rewatching old live-streams. The comforting atmosphere James and Chelsea provide honestly make the channel feel like a second home to me. Thanks for being here and keep making the amazing content you do.
I fully agree with you! I watch dead meat every day!
Good luck with the job hunt dude👍
Hope it turns around for you soon man. Best of luck.
Thanks everyone! The support is amazing.
Want some good advice? Maybe focus more on getting a new job instead of rewatching videos like an obsessive loser :)
It warms my heart every time they say “ We’re engaged and we like to get scared together “ they 100% deserve each other.
Wait until they say we're married and we like to get scared together
I love how Lucy has no issue with brushing up against Chelsea’s neck and chest. She don’t care about no damn podcast she just loves her human❤️
the security officer is just “magical helpful old black man” trope we commonly see in film. only it’s usually done slightly more tastefully. here he literally shows up exactly when the plot demands and only says exactly what needs to be said before leaving the movie for good.
Hey, as an autistic person you handled the explanation super well!! I hated this movie but I 100% agree it was hilarious in a weird way because its insane and stupid and wild. Thank you for spending so much time talking about it in the beginning!!
Travolta has had 5 movies in a row with a 0% rating on RT lol now that's a record worth having
That's the only record worth having.
If he gets one more the Hollywood/ Scientology Gods delete him from time
The only one I know of is battlefield earth
Travolta needs a new agent.
I think Travolta just likes these kinds of bad movies
imho in the case of movies like split - id absolutely say specifying the disorder is much more dangerous than just saying "ok, this character is ambiguously crazy" (though, typically this refers to psychotic/schizophrenia spectrum disorders)
but speaking as someone with DID that particular movie + other movies that namedrop DID/"MPD" have negatively impacted my life in terms of peoples perception of my disorder and likely my diagnostic process as well. so there's my two cents on that
Curious if you caught the series Many Sides of Jane. If so do you feel this brings a thoughtful & accurate example of DID? Would love to hear someone's opinion with a personal impact of the disorder. Hope you have a good day.
@@darrinstevens7063 haven't checked it out yet but i'll give it a watch :)
Yeah I hope they talk about that specifically in a podcast because its easy to think that people wouldn't assume DID = serial killer but in reality any negative depiction of mental illness in popular media is super harmful
@@maagony me too! i heard they plan on doing an episode on mental illness representation (or rather misrepresentation) in horror so i'm excited for that
I really like that you guys wanna have the conversation about mental health in horror films. I'm bipolar and horror happens to be my favorite genre, but sometimes I dislike the portrayal of mental health disorders. We're all very dynamic and I wish horror would reflect that. Thanks again, guys!
i know some one like moose
"Why isn't this John Trovolta stalking John Trovolta"
You guys should watch Enemy by Denis Villeneuve, If you haven't!
Ha
I HEARD OF THAT MOVIE!
This comment makes it sound like it would be much more interesting than it actually is.
As a female with ASD it was hard to be diagnosed because of the stereotypical way Autism is portrayed since it's predominatly male orientated & females mostly present completely differently. This is weird timing since I've just met my 9 year old cousin for the first time & She's Autistic as well & I could see a lot of me in her
Most people on the spectrum only become violent towards themselves when they have meltdowns due to being unable to process and communicate their emotions, and the only time someone on spectrum would really be violent towards another person is if they were having a meltdown and someone got in their space when they didn’t want them to, and they might push them away or hit them. In general though, violence is more common in children because it’s even harder for them to communicate compared to what those on the spectrum learn as they grow up. (This comes from someone with asd who would bang her head into the wall and, sometime still, punches herself while having meltdowns but has never been violent towards another person)
thank you for this. i have adhd and a lot of my friends have autism and asperbergers. i have hyperfixations (your guys’ channel is one of them) and i have NEVER let that sway my actions or my personal relationships. the portrayal in this movie is very very tone deaf
No one's gonna talk about how this movie is about a Hunter attacking a Moose? No? Alright.
Excuse me?
@@Cheshire_Cat137 the character names
Good one. I got the pun.
It's more about a moose attacking a hunter. Someone who is what people think are crazy animals. Autistic people. Hunters, who believe they are above the animal. But like a moose, Moose can fight back.
As a fan on the spectrum, I am so appreciative of your kindness, and ability to go into this movie the way you did. Not going to lie, I almost cried during parts at the beginning as I don't usually see this kind of tolerance for people on the spectrum. It really did have an impact on me.
What did Fred Durst tell the cameraman on set?
KEEP ROLLIN ROLLIN ROLLIN ROLLIN!
😂😂😂
WHAT!
@@BigPapaDuck I said KEEP ROLLIN ROLLIN ROLLIN ROLLIN
@@brandynrivas591 Come on...
nah he said "we have other songs, better songs get some better material"
I love how this film made so little revenue, the Wikipedia page on it shows it down to the ones digit.
Fred Durst was in the movie Be Cool (Get Shorty sequel) with John Travolta. Boom leg work done.
Yo guys, I love your work and I really appreciate the thoughtfulness and nuance you brought to this. As someone on the autism spectrum, I was definitely caught in the middle between "this movie is fucking hilarious" and "this movie sucks" - it's definitely frustrating to see these sort of depictions in media, especially knowing that a lot of people tend to view these stereotypes as truth. You both bring such a level of compassion and mindfulness to what you discuss, and I'm glad to see such good people in the horror fandom.
Keep up the good work!
the moment they have to let their fans feel comfortable at 25:00 is very heart warming and solidifies my appreciation for these two lovely folks
I love how quickly they derail into talking about Limp Bizkit for awhile at the beginning. mood
43:19 I think this is one of those "Laurel vs Yanny" situations.
To me, it sounds like she's saying "Danny", but slightly under her breath, making it sound like "Tanner" a bit.
I feel like Travolta is just playing Lenny from "Of Mice and Men."
I feel like that's giving Travolta's performance more credit than it deserves
except john malkovitch plays lennie much better
Not gonna lie but I thought that for a second too 😂😂 😂
Me during the podcast: :)
Me whenever Lucy enters the frame: :D
32:50 Wes Borland is the guitarist of Limp Bizkit, Sam Rivers is the bassist
"The Year of Our Lord 2019"-Chelsea The Tickler
31:36 I’m in the basement doing laundry while listening and the sound I made when Chelsea said “chocolate starfish and hot dog water cocktails” summoned my dog to my rescue 😂 He’s at the top of the stairs demanding I show myself and prove I don’t need his help 😂
Yeah, I'm autistic and have decided to sit this movie out. In every other sense, it looks like something I would love, but I don't feel like I want more cruel and wrong ideas of what being autistic is like in my life.
aftin combs saame
yeahhhh.. this film is massively friggin uncomfy as someone with autism.. like it just goes as needlessly cruel as possible several times
I’m noticing a “Ready or Not” blu ray in the background👀👀👀
Get ready for tomorrow!!!! (Unless youtube doesn’t give James a break and review the video)
Jama Jama UA-cam/Fox did not give james a break
I'm noticing a dawn of the dead poster on the wall. Going on 2 and half years waiting on that kill count!
"You have this maimed... moose" - James
arguably the best Dead Meat quote to use out of context
Someone do a super-cut of every time that cat (name?) comes and chills with Chelsea. I'll seriously give you 5 bucks.
Lucy that the cat name
Lucy is the cat's name
That’s every podcast until they moved into the new set 😂 and then Halloween Ends!
Holy smokes devon actually DOES look like Daniel Craig in this. I couldnt decide who he looked like while watching it but that is 100% dead on.
There Is an incredibly good film out there that focuses on the points you brought up (about youtubers and social boundaries and obsessed fans) it's called 'Ingrid Goes West' starting Aubrey Plaza and it isnt a horror film but it is horrifying-ly scary in the sense that it feels like it could happen and is definitely worth a watch if you have a spare hour and a half. Keep up the good work! 👋
Just wanna say thanks to you (James and Chelsea) for covering this in a nice and entertaining way and thank you for defending us on the spectrum
You should do a podcast to determine which of the 'Golden Chainsaw' Recipients is the best of the best deaths so far and which of the 'Dull Machete' Recipients is the worst death in the kill count series.
as an autistic person i wanted to thank you both for being so respectful and insightful. chelsea’s sisters experience was a nice new point of view. i was a bit worried before listening to this about how this would be handled, but you both made me feel safe and respected, so thank you again.
I have Asperger's, which is similar to Autism. So thanks for the heads up. What I thought, however, about that was that Travolta had a son who was autistic, so it kinda hits home for him.
I have Asperger’s too & it can be hard for me to watch movies that are so inaccurate towards autism and choose for the stereotypes rather than an actual traits
Honestly it was such an offensive caricature that you would think John had never met an autistic person. Baffling
@@sophieb1529 hell i actualy know some one that is almost like john travolters moose charictor
Aspergers is an ASD (and a messy concept).
I have aspergers also, i only ever see two depictions of it on tv: either super smart genius or super creepy awkward person. Or both at the same time.
The point about social media influencers made me think of Perfect Blue, you guys should totally talk about it
That mini essay about Travolta's portrayal was well said. I have a younger brother with autism, and am always semi skeptical when it comes to portrayal in films or television.
John trovolta needed a paycheck to keep paying for them ridiculous Scientology classes
Devin Sawa was in the final destination so there's another horror connection
Minor correction: Wes Borland was the guitarist, not bassist, for Limp Bizkit. A reasonably creative one too considering his peers in the nu-metal world.
I've been wanting to buy a pin from your shop for a while now, and the be good people one finally sealed the deal for me! It's a motto I've always loved, and with a diabetic dad the fact it's all going to charity is just amazing. Thank you guys so much for just being good people!
I’m here from the hilariocity. This is the movie that dragged Chris out of his slump, so atleast its good for something.
Devon Sawa:
James: _STRIKE POSES WITH ME!!_ ゴゴゴゴ
I'll take "Movies I've Never Heard Of" for $100, Alex. 😀
That's surprising.
@@manuelmateo3392 I wasn't even active on Twitter by the time The Fanatic was making its rounds and I still heard about it. It's surprising to find people who seem to still be living under rocks in this day and age.
when james said “danny tanner” lmao, one of the only real laughs i’ve had in a while.❤
"You've been Michael Myersd" made me lose my shit lmao
Ok I am addicted to these podcasts. I tried to save this one for later because I like to listen to them while I shower or do stuff around the house, but now I am sitting here watching it all the while telling myself that "I´ll watch it for one more minute and then close it" and I just realised that yep, that´s not gonna happen, I am officially stuck. Better yet, I should be studying hahahaha
John Travolta and his late wife spoke in the past about their late son, Jett, having Autism...I assume it was a formal diagnosis but I remember hearing about that multiple times over the last decade. Not saying this was a good depiction or anything (trust me), but with this in mind I'd like to think he didn't "just Google symptoms/characteristics of Autism."
But this isn't a horror movie. This is a goddamn comedy. And this is coming from someone with Asperger's.
James saying "Whatever, you can like a movie" in the most begrudging possible tone was my favorite part of the video.
Also, I looked and IMDB says the kid is Danny. However (bear in mind, I haven't seen this movie), in that clip you showed I heard "Tanny", which I guess could be short for Tanner? I don't know.
James! You have to do a “Scary Stories to Tell in the Dark” kill count.
"Guided Aged Biscuit" and "Big Beautiful Friend" and "You've been Jigsawed - Game Over" is all I ever wanted.
Hey, James. I loved the 'Wishmaster' Podcast episode.
All dad chairs are disgusting --- DM podcast, 2019
My mom hates my dad's but he will never get rid of it. Ever.
17:15 It's a very important distinction to be made. As an easy example, I watch all ya'lls videos as they come out, I rewatch episodes of the kill count and podcast all the time, and if I was able to get ya'lls signatures, it would mean as much to be as the broadway performer signatures I have on my playbills. But that's just like. Appreciation for what you guys do, and your talent. Same thing for horror in general, I'm fixated and keep coming back because I appreciate what its doing, but the idea of these sorts of things happening in real life would obviously horrify me, because those are real people getting hurt, not dummies and life casts. The sort of obsession that makes one do things that would hurt others, as long as they know that would hurt others, is different, I think.
Not sure if yuh guys will see this but I saw Chelsea's twitter feed and figured I'd give some praise where I felt some was due. Your guys podcast is quite honestly my favorite part of the channel. I've always loved horror but all the research done for these episodes has made me feel so much more knowledgable about films in general and I notice things that I never noticed before in new movies and films that I've already seen. I mean I do love that you guys do a mix between serious and then just being goofy but what I love most is coming out of the podcast with all this new knowledge on the horror genre as a whole. Its because of this channel that I learned of Carol glovers novel which I went and bought a copy of and in my last year of school used and cited for many of my schools newspaper articles for the entertainment column. This channel has also helped me learn that film is something that I thoroughly enjoy and would love to go into myself. So those who are being over dramatic and saying this that and the other about the podcast I dont feel understand the actual work and thought that's put into it. They're not just flimsy reviews. Their thorough critiques which I love because I've never heard you guys be completely negative in a film even in the ones you hate I've heard you find some good in which I feel many do not do. Anyways though, I hope people on the internet start to change their perspective on your guys podcast and I can't wait for the next episode!
20:43 "i just have thoughts going through my head" me too :/
So happy this movie made 3000$
I'd hate for this kind of negative representation of autism to be widespread.
John Travolta and Devon Sawa worked together on a movie called "Life on the Line" back in 2015, so I'm guessing that's how they met each other for this film.
The only thing I remembered about Fred Durst, after Limp Biscuit, he was in "Population 436." This movie freaks me out because my first actor crush was on Devon Sawa. Of course, I was 13 or 14.
Guess I'm gonna get my Dead Meat soaked in Liquid Death.
I’m going to a field trip early in the morning and I saw dead meat pop up and guess what I’m watching now🔥❤️🔥❤️🔥❤️🤣😄
Im on the spectrum, from what I've seen in this film, it portrays a very face value depiction of autism rather than actually exploring it in a sensible way
Everytime I try to watch a clip from this film, I just feel so uncomfortable. On one hand, I have met people with low-functioning autism where this type of behavior is not unheard of, but on the other hand, as a person who is on the spectrum, I am totally disgusted by this stereotypical performance. This is the role Tropic Thunder made fun of with Simple Jack. In summary, It ticks me off, and I don't like it.
I can’t talk right now, I got to poo.
James are you ok? You havent uploaded this friday
He got copyrighted. Check his UA-cam community post for more info
John Travolta was co-starring with Devon Sawa in a movie a few years ago called Life on the Line with Kate Beckinsale
One and a half years of watching Dead Meat.
Preface - I have not seen this movie, however, I have been diagnosed with autism, and I do not think I could watch it without being extremely offended by Travolta's portrayal of someone with ASD. The problem I find with Hollywood's depictions of ASD is that they treat it like an illness (incidentally, please don't refer to ASD traits as symptoms, again it implies illness) it's not, our brains' are just wired differently, so they just work differently! ASD is something that you can't just throw into a movie as a catch-all explanation for a character's behaviour; if they're going to have a real world diagnosis there should be an accurate portrayal to back it up. Sorry for the rant, I'm not wanting to have a go at James and Chelsea, I adore the podcast, it's really helping me through the lock down because my routine is so thrown out. Keep up the fantastic work :)
She did say "Danny" in that clip, not "Tanner," although I can see how it could have been misheard.
I'm 34 years old and I was diagnosed with autism a few months ago. I had to check out this review again.
Uh...as an autistic person, ABA therapy is...not good. For many kids, it devolves into abuse. I don't mean to be rude or hypercritical or cruel but...that's not really a good thing to be in as far as autism goes.
43:17 My theory as to the kid’s name is that Hunter’s ex-wife said Tanny. Tanny MIGHT be a nickname for Tanner but that raises the question of why.
EDIT: I checked names.org (one of my favourite sites) and only 187 people in the US since 1880 have had the legal name Tanny. I checked here because there’ll always be people who give their kids nicknames for actual names, just ask my aunt Tilly. So I scrolled down to Related Names to see if Tanner shows up. Nada. Tannny shows up, people have named their kids Tannny but never call Tanners Tanny. I even checked out Tanner’s Related Names and nothing.
www.names.org/n/tanny/about
www.names.org/n/tanner/about
Hey James, I was wondering if you could do a KILL COUNT of *I Still Know What You Did Last Summer* with Jennifer Love Hewitt?
Fred Durst was in the movie “Be Cool” with John Travolta
One of my favorite bands is Black Light Burns. It is Wes Borland's band. Their first album was produced by Danny Lohner (from Nine Inch Nails).
Also, they did an album called Lotus Island, which is a soundtrack replacement for the first 40 minutes of Jodorowsky's Holy Mountain.
your wedding is gonna be THE EVENT!
I just wanted to say, even though youtube alerted me about the upload over an hour late- I love the Kill Count series
This film almost pushed me to tears, I felt so sad for Moose
You must be kidding 😂
I bought this movie on Blu-Ray on the strength of Chris Stuckman's review. I had so much fun.
@The Fightin' Hobbit Same. A tip o’ my red cap, Mr Durst.
Im autistic and i cried during this movie. Its so excessively cruel, especially knowing that John travolta had an autistic son who died
Hey can you do all 6 movies of tremors from 1990 to 2018 for the kill count.
Who else knows the intros so well by heart?
John Travolta doing a Mr Blonde reference is actually a reference to the fact that his character in Pulp Fiction is the brother of Vic Vega from Reservoir Digs
Hey i really want to say i love this channel so much and thank you so much for all of your videos ❤️❤️❤️
i know this is years old but i HAVE to mention that, like this movie, the adventures of sharkboy & lavagirl begins with a quote from lavagirl herself
Having a son with asd I can tell you everyone on the spectrum is different my son has speech delay and he does not completely understand people's feelings. As always love the podcast. Cool idea horror games that would make cool movies or TV series.
I'm in the spectrum and I'm so so so happy how you guys talked about it at the beginning 👏🏻💛
As someone on the spectrum, I'mma just skip this one. Keep up the hard work all the same!
Raw cones Be Good People!!!
They discuss that this movie is problematic, I definitely think it's worth at least watching that part.
@Ryan Stewart I'm on the spectrum as well and that didn't really phase me at all. It's so overused that it loss all power.
@@toastman3421 ... I'm quite sure they meant they won't watch the movie itself, not the podcast
@@Luan-st2gb Pretty sure not.
Oh and thanks guys. It's been 48 hours now and I haven't stopped listening to Chocolate Starfish.
YEAH.
We should get a podcast episode on ‘Misery’ since it’s a much better “obsessed fan” film. Love that we got Chelsea’s sister’s professional analysis on this one
As a high-functioning autistic horror fan, learning the plot of this movie was just... lovely
I know this is an older episode but you should really look into how harmful ABA can be for autistic kids.
What a great podcast! I love listening to the two of you. You're entertaining, thoughtful and insightful. As to your inquiry about whether it's better to depict someone is generally crazy or with a particular mental condition, I believe if you're going to portray the condition you have to do it accurately or else you risk creating a misconception that harmfully and unjustly labels people living with such a condition in a negative light. Keep up the great work!
You should be on Hot Ones James.
I feel like Fred Durst when he was writing the script was writing Hunter Dunbar as a Character he was making him as an Action Star like Reb Brown
i recently watched this and i absolutely hated this movie. it is such a bad betrayal of a person with autism. and i think they only chose this path for the “drama” effect.
Hey James you should review the house that jack built!
"I want to play faith at our wedding" "FUCK YEAH" I love you guys. Also Limp Bizkit was so solid for 3 years, RIP lol
P.s. As a father of two autistic children I appreciate the amount of care that you two put into discussing this, as opposed to just jumping into it and laughing at the perceived "stereotypical" autistic person. It is rather unfortunate that Hollywood cares more about portraying gender/sexuality accurately, but just doesn't seem to care about accurately portraying those mental and social disorders. Love you guys keep it up.