Exactly right , unless you have owned 116, 126, 201 or 124 people have not experienced the feeling of a true MBZ. I am grateful that i have been so fortunate to remember the genuine special feelings you get when going down the road in a new C126 or W124 8 cylinder. Thanks for the video.
Oh dear God I can breathe again……..had an early 70’s 300SEL 3.5. Although I love my post 90’s cars for vastly different reasons, that 300SEL stole the show wherever I went with it. Long distances we scoffed at in that car. You’re oh so right, sir. Your stoic passion is gratifying to witness. Thank you…..
As their warranty period expires and their electronics fail, I can imagine you will need to order quite a few Pierre Hedary inscribed tissues for these owners! Great topic, information, and knowledge as always Pierre!
As always, a great video. Pierre, you are an inspiration to those of us who have loved our 1980s Mercedes for many years. June 6 will be 27 years since I bought my first one. A 1987 300SDL. Bought it from the original owner when I was just 19 years old. I worked hard, saved my money, and did it on my own. Just 9 years old, looked like new inside and out. 146K miles on her. I'd give my left nut to have that car back. Young and dumb, I wanted something newer, and traded it for a 1992 W140 about three years later. Worst car decision I think I've ever made. Never should have let that SDL go. That was over 20 years ago, and I'm still kicking myself. Latest year-model I've owned is a 2001, W210 E320, and I like it. But, it's nothing like the W123 and W126. Those cars were indeed the best cars ever built. They have no rival, and never will. They can't be touched. I kinda resurrected a 1981 240D automatic which needs some minor repairs, but cosmetics are pretty nice. Tranny doesn't want to shift, so I have to just let off the throttle when I want it to shift, and it shifts firmly like it should. Fixing that issue, replacing motor mounts, window regulators, minor things I can take care of myself. That's the beauty of them. They were so simplistic in design. The 2001 E320 is the latest year model MB I'll ever own. I'm going back to the 80s. MB knew how to build a car back then. All they care about today is selling cars and making a profit. History, heritage, longevity, they've thrown it all out the window. God bless you for helping to keep these old cars alive and spreading the message about these great old cars. I wish more people were interested in doing the same.
I enjoy the build quality of my 1996 W140 S600.....having corrected the "engineered" a/c system (LOL). I enjoy the under-stressed V12 humming along at 80mph....not a trip out into town occurs without someone striking up a conversation with me on it's styling or size.....this 6'8" bubba will cherish it to the day I cannot drive anymore.
Another insightful episode. I do have a W116 450SE and a CLK320. The CLK does what it should and the M112 is a rock solid engine. Interior wise it's let down by the cheap plastics, but overall I'm still happy with it
Totally agree I can’t see any non special edition modern Mercedes having any future value. Like you said as cars become more digital their reliability will be dependent on the longevity of the electronics. Anyone who is a true Mercedes enthusiast will forever appreciate pre 95 cars. Personally the w126 for me is the greatest of all time.
I owned a w123 diesel years ago. I let it go because of rust. I currently own a w211 estate, it is very nice but I really miss my classic. Need to get another one.
I have 3 of these classics Pierre. 1978 350 sl 1989 300se 1992 230e. I love every one of them they are so different n I maintain all of them myself. So yeah. These cars are awesome with their build quality n the problems they pose but a joy to work on all of em
I grew up in the early 70's with mercedes. Most people had not heard too much about mercedes then. My brother had a 190d and my father had a 220 se convertible 4 speed. and and through years had some 300d and 300sd's. I though body was too big for 300sd's. I like turbo Td about 82 much better. Now i have clk 55 amg which i like alot. Lucky to have a honest mercedes mechanic also. Love your channel. You can really see how passionate you are about mercedes.
Thank you so much for sharing your thoughts. Ive been a Mercedes owner for long time (pre-1995) and I love the older Mercedes; however, they had thier share of issues just like the modern ones; such as the constant head gasket failures on the M103 and M104 engines, wiring harness, AC/heater core and the list goes on. Is there a Modern Mercedes that has a great quality and has the potential to be a future classic? Absolutely Yes. W212 face-lift. It is absolutely the best E class Mercedes ever built ( and yes, I've owned a W124). The W204 is another future classic, especially the C63 with the M156 engine. The W211 E55 with the M113K is also another example of a great car that will be a future classic. There many great Modern Mercedes that has better quality than per 1995, you just need to see the true engineering in them. Thank you and please keep the videos coming.
I may have mentioned this previously but it makes your point. I flew from DFW to Las Vegas to meet a client. Drove my 1975 W116 350SE to the airport. The client picked me up in his new S550. The comparison was stark. The 550 had absurd mood lighting as well as various driving nannies. And seat side bolsters that automatically puffed up depending on right or left turns. My client was very pleased with this thing, and knowing I have a few Mercs, asked what I thought of his 550. Unfiltered, “Lot of things to break. Better have a long warranty.” To myself I realized the S550 would NOT be on the road 45 years after it was built, unlike the 350SE.
I agree 100%. My ‘05 C240 has more technology, but my old ‘84 300SD was more of a tank, was infinitely repairable and had a soul. I was a fool parting with it.
A good video as always. You said some tough truths. I employ the old German standard where you keep a car for as long as you can before you have to give it up. I have an 08 C300 that is still going strong.
Bonjour Pierre, I can only agree with you. I had the chance to grow up in a W126, first a 1984 280 SE then a 1990 300 SEL that I kept until today! I own this car with love and passion. I also owned a W124 convertible 300 CE and I still own a R107 560 SL Euro. Recently, in order to preserve my W126 which was my daily car, I decided to replace it with a Lexus. Why Lexus? Because that's the only brand that comes close to the quality standards of our beloved W126. They can last a very long time, they are extremely reliable, confortable and their modern design has improved a lot over the years. I have an 2019 IS300h. A page has turned in 1995 and I hate new Mercedes.
Jez Pierre with the daggers at the end. 1993 400E 1995 C220 1994 E320 1977 450SL (current) 2000 E55 AMG (current) Thembmarket site may disagree with Pierre. I will say I love my E55 AMG but not the rust. I also got it cheap. Still I think Pierre is right. 1995 MBs are the way to go. I just wish they were easier to support parts wise.
Very well put. Just before covid my workshop rebuilt the V8 engine in a 1972 350 SL which I remember mostly as the DALLAS car. Rest of car very well maintained over the years and now drives like new and I remember driving them new. Not bad for a 50 year old car. I think peak auto engineering was in the late 90's at the high end. I am a BMW fancier but nonetheless wouldn't mind getting my hands on a Ford Escort (MK1 or MK2) or a Ford Capri (any) for 50 quid. Lots of the AMG drivers out there know exactly why.
Not a topic I ever considered, because I am convinced all this is a downhill race. I have cars to last me the next 100 years and they are all 1995 and older. Well narrated Armageddon story, I fully agree.
BTW, I already see a flood of cars (1999 and newer which makes most of them 20 years or newer) being dumped or picked up on the side of the road. Their only value is in the catalytic converter and basically nothing else.., really sad.
I agree,and love old MB´s as well.However;I´ve had W123,W201 and W124 and while being great cars,they had their own issues.I´ve owned w210 E200(built 1996) for 9 years now,and it feels like a true Mercedes and has been totally without issues,like a dream car in that sense.Still,I hope someday I also own a true,older classic MB once again.
I've owned five Mercedes; a 1993 W201, a 1993 W140, a 1994 W124, 1998 W140, and a 2002 W208. The only thing worthy of the Three Pointed Star on the 2002 W208 CLK320 was the design concept in general, and the drive train. Now THAT was bullet proof. The actual build quality and execution? The then-new Toyota Corolla my co-worker bought his daughter and brought it to work to show me was of vastly better fit and finish, body panels and interior-wise.
@@twntwrs You are missing the point, so I'll restate it; The interior of a 2002 CLK320 was cheap and flimsy and not worthy of a Mercedes Benz. That can NEVER be said of ANY W126. Plus the 2002 and the Corolla were only about 6 years apart at that time.
I think that AMGs (real AMGs that is, not the cars with packages), the last of the non All terrain E-Class wagons, G-class and those rare modern diesels sold in the US in small quantities will become classics. Others like the SLR and the SLS have always been classics and will remain like that.
I believe that the first generation of the CLS will become a classic. It started a entire generation of sloped roof sedans that makes a four door car's back seat totally useless.
👏 👍 👌 I always say that to my friends who loves or like new Mercedes , it's just a nice good looking and maybe fast cars , but and it's a big but 😄 it's not a real Mercedes like my W124 or my Dad’s W123
All very true. Mercedes is just another mass producer. My '89 190E 2.5,16v (yes it's an auto) will see me through.. It will also leave the manual ones behind at the traffic lights.
I am a new subscriber and enjoy your direct candid approach! You make it real. I own a 1994 C280 with a January 1994 built date. I bought it in 2019 from the original owner. I have been finding the car a joy to drive. I would really appreciate your opinion on whether I should keep It-I put about $1000 - $1200 a year in maintenance not including oils changes…I probably do more than absolutely needed but hoping when taken all together it keeps running …
Sure the w163 is well on its way. Groundbreaking tech, solid drivetrain, great looks / design features. So modernly designed that my 2002 ML500 can be said to be a virtual template that a dozen manufacturers follow to design their 2021 models...
@Justinian Yi For sure. Too bad many NEVER ventured off pavement to discover that. When I was an initial buyer, only 1 in 3 knew how to engage Low Range. At least 1/3 didn't know it was full time AWD ! Some of that blame lies with the clueless MB marketing that engineered the most advanced AWD SUV then omitted an "AWD" badge on the rear tailgate ! I've often wondered how many w163 sales were lost to Subaru (or other AWD Sport vehicles) owing to this simple oversight ?
Excellent vid! My first Merc was a 94 plate E200. That was strong, reliable and a rust free car and was built to last. I've owned 6 Mercs to date, all of them keeping brilliant body work and engines as sweet as a nut! Electrics of course being their Achilles heels. My current guilty pleasure being a SLK on a 2006 plate, the Mclaren style derivative. This I feel is a Classic b@mb proof work of art. For me it is a classic of the near future. The electrics also being good too! That seems to be the concensus on this model. With the ECU needing a reset several years. The MBZ level of quality across the board I have found is extremely good. BUT It's such a pity that the MB after sales service stinks here in the UK. I would never use a Mercedes main delaer for maintenance, I always use a local generic brand specialist who know Mercs instead. The cost works out less than a 1/3. Using that strategy, providing a German luxury drive that does NOT break the bank.
I think you are right. Pre '95 era Mercedes were the real ones. But there are some new ones that we're going to miss as well so they won't depreciate like the rest of the new ones. R172 SLK55 AMG, W204 C63 AMG 507 Edition, latest G-Class before the new model, CLK63 AMG Cabriolet (building quality on these sucks but the production volume was low and there are no amg cabriolets in the next model), W210 E55 AMG will go up...even the w212 E500 Cabriolet are something we won't see again from Mercedes...
@@ronalddean3630 yes, replaced all 11 hydraulic cylinders with a core swap from Top Hydraulics. It’s time consuming but not too difficult. Took me 12 hours of steady work. There is a very detailed tutorial on how to do it on UA-cam.
Proud of being a classic owner and mechanic of 4. Beginning with Bridget, a white 1984, 380sl with 245k with suburb compression, aka Fun/Sun car. Next is Goldilocks, 1983 300D Turbo, aka The Workhorse, 230k, strong like an Ox, leaving nearly all in rear view mirror while climbing hills. Next is our pair of 1986 190D's 2.5, both are daily drivers to/from work. One of which is a five speed. Nothing beats our 80s Mercedes. I will only purchase these cars of this era.
I agree with you. The biggest problem is going to be the LCD TFT’s. There are only two countries which can produce them, China and South Korea. The manufacturing of those displays require huge amounts of fresh water. Virtually all Western Governments have limited or prohibited the manufacturing. manufacturing of those displays moved then to China and South Korea. Once they stop making them because of low quantity orders from their customers, which usually happens when a car manufacturer discontinues a model and their parts orders drop, then that particular model from any car manufacturer is basically obsolete and junk yard material because without the LCD’s the cars electronic system is shut down. The German experts are expecting a live expectancy for the 2022 S Class with two LCD’s of 7 years
W208 Coupe Kompressor. Their rusting away quick in Europe. Ivd got a Yr 2000 with 89000 km. Just great. With it was an AMG or Brabus . Agree on the new mercs, high speed and to much tech flat screen.
Thank you so much for noting the negative role played by the automotive press in vehicle design. The need to keep up with insanely quick 0-60 times - which are harped on by lazy car reviewers - forces compromises (especially in BEVs) that are not consumer-centric.
Surely this just depends on your definition of classic. A basic Datsun Cherry from the 80s is now worth a lot more than it cost to originally buy. Any car will start to become more valuable 40 years later if it is still in reasonable condition.
Mercedes changed their business model because of the success of Acura and Lexus in the 90's. Acura was dressing up an Accord with leather, accent wood and sound deadening and selling them for 25% less. Of course, when is the last time you saw a Legend still on the road.
is 20.000 eur ok price for 1991 c124 300ce automatic with 200.000 km in dark silver with tan interior. 2 owners, partially filled out service book but all the invoices, car is in quite good condition.
I love how I can rebuild my r107's components when they fail, due to time, i.e. grease the bearings in squirrel cage, clean contacts in modules, carbon off of ICV, etc.. & not replace with Chinese made aftermarket crap.
Pierre, do you think the MB Maybach S series are built to last longer being made in Germany? Or is still the same problem of too many computers and electronics that ultimately fail. Outrageously, prohibitively expensive to replace/repair. Therefore, not really a car worth owning and keeping as a collectible car.
Yeah but 1995 was when they change but they research and develop these cars well before they put them out so even after 90-95 for a few years they are still great cars
Probably the last "classic" is the W140/C140. The last MB built to a standard, not a cost, excepting perhaps the Maybach. Will anything later be a classic? We will probably see 2003-2005 W211's on the road for many years to come. Will they be considered "classic"? Probably not.
Sad to hear that the r107 (if I heard correctly) like my 560SL, will soon be parked, owing to "planned obsolescence, high maintenance, and repair costs". Thought they were like the 123s; lasting forever.
If I remember correctly, he said, that there will be no cars like the r107 because the new cars are much more high-maintenance. The issues only applie to the later cars. So you can be proud to own a Forever-Mercedes ;-).
@@gabrielg38 I'd like to take my '88 560SL on a 4000-mile trip in August. Hoping it'll make it without any electrical nor fuel delivery problems. I know it can be fixed along the way, but could be stalled for days because parts may need to be ordered.
@@gabrielg38 Thanks. You too, will own one. But not sure I'll take the 107, again thinking of possible time lost from getting parts should a breakdown occur. After all, it is 33 years old.
Interesting but one key assumption every young driver of today will value Mercedes exactly the same way that you do, and I doubt that, the key point around electronics is valid and yet today already there are heaps of people who collect old electronics and like restoring computers, game consoles etc.. so maybe not. As for quality 1000% correct. Everything today has an engineered lifespan to support future sales… but overall a very valued opinion of the brand as it’s been trading on that quality for the last 20 years many retired people drive old ish ..Mercedes… post 98.
You’re basically saying the same things that lead certain individuals to form the Vintage Sports Car Club in the U.K. back in the early 30’s. In essence they bemoaned the fact that, with a few honourable exceptions, motor cars were now being designed and built by salesmen and accountants rather than engineers. The only lesson which history teaches us is that we learn nothing from history.
I think some of the bread-and-butters will 'hold their value', but never become valuable. A rust free OM606 powered w210 is a great car. Practical. No high pressure electronic fuel pumps. 33 to 34 REAL WORLD mpg (if fuel system is watched after). Limited US production. Just keep them out of the salt.
Clk GTR , clk 63 black series CLK DTM rare race car homologation C63 BS SL65 BS SLR Mclaren, amg gt BS , SLS AMG / BS are already modern classics. But the rest wont. W463 G wagon maybe
So the modern cars will be classics just based on external factors (that could make even a pencil famous: AMG, BRABUS, made for a celebrity or an occasion,...) It has nothing to do with the car anymore
No because there are 2 kinds of cars. Mechanical/analog/build quality ones (prior to 1990) and digital/computer/cheap ones. The former can be classics. The latter cannot be.
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My 68' 220D is a dream come through, thanks to Pierre. Less is more is what this car is all about.
Always a delight to listen to the insight of Mr. Hedary.
Exactly right , unless you have owned 116, 126, 201 or 124 people have not experienced the feeling of a true MBZ. I am grateful that i have been so fortunate to remember the genuine special feelings you get when going down the road in a new C126 or W124 8 cylinder. Thanks for the video.
Whoa, don't leave the 123 out!
Have owned W123 and W124 and now W211. Funny enough - your mentioned 320 CDI... I think the 211 still has some DNA of the great Mercedes of past.
Love the part of "send you a tissue" as that is CLASSIC and in realty the brutal truth where many cannot nor will not accept. Semper Fi!
Pierre, you are sooo... right about the years prior to 1990!! Great job!! I'm a proud owner of an 1985 W126!!
He said prior to 1995. Big difference in the Benz world.
Where's the link to order those Pierre Hedary branded tissues?
Oh dear God I can breathe again……..had an early 70’s 300SEL 3.5. Although I love my post 90’s cars for vastly different reasons, that 300SEL stole the show wherever I went with it. Long distances we scoffed at in that car. You’re oh so right, sir. Your stoic passion is gratifying to witness. Thank you…..
As their warranty period expires and their electronics fail, I can imagine you will need to order quite a few Pierre Hedary inscribed tissues for these owners! Great topic, information, and knowledge as always Pierre!
Foremost you should be ok if you do have a few good mechanics living within 20 miles and your Mercedes is under a shelter.
As always, a great video. Pierre, you are an inspiration to those of us who have loved our 1980s Mercedes for many years. June 6 will be 27 years since I bought my first one. A 1987 300SDL. Bought it from the original owner when I was just 19 years old. I worked hard, saved my money, and did it on my own. Just 9 years old, looked like new inside and out. 146K miles on her. I'd give my left nut to have that car back. Young and dumb, I wanted something newer, and traded it for a 1992 W140 about three years later. Worst car decision I think I've ever made. Never should have let that SDL go. That was over 20 years ago, and I'm still kicking myself. Latest year-model I've owned is a 2001, W210 E320, and I like it. But, it's nothing like the W123 and W126. Those cars were indeed the best cars ever built. They have no rival, and never will. They can't be touched. I kinda resurrected a 1981 240D automatic which needs some minor repairs, but cosmetics are pretty nice. Tranny doesn't want to shift, so I have to just let off the throttle when I want it to shift, and it shifts firmly like it should. Fixing that issue, replacing motor mounts, window regulators, minor things I can take care of myself. That's the beauty of them. They were so simplistic in design. The 2001 E320 is the latest year model MB I'll ever own. I'm going back to the 80s. MB knew how to build a car back then. All they care about today is selling cars and making a profit. History, heritage, longevity, they've thrown it all out the window. God bless you for helping to keep these old cars alive and spreading the message about these great old cars. I wish more people were interested in doing the same.
Always a joy watching these episodes
Absolutely great. Can’t think of a better way to explain it . Thank you.
I enjoy the build quality of my 1996 W140 S600.....having corrected the "engineered" a/c system (LOL). I enjoy the under-stressed V12 humming along at 80mph....not a trip out into town occurs without someone striking up a conversation with me on it's styling or size.....this 6'8" bubba will cherish it to the day I cannot drive anymore.
Another insightful episode. I do have a W116 450SE and a CLK320. The CLK does what it should and the M112 is a rock solid engine. Interior wise it's let down by the cheap plastics, but overall I'm still happy with it
Totally agree I can’t see any non special edition modern Mercedes having any future value. Like you said as cars become more digital their reliability will be dependent on the longevity of the electronics. Anyone who is a true Mercedes enthusiast will forever appreciate pre 95 cars. Personally the w126 for me is the greatest of all time.
I owned a w123 diesel years ago. I let it go because of rust. I currently own a w211 estate, it is very nice but I really miss my classic. Need to get another one.
I have a feeling 211 and 212 estates may still be desirable a decade from now, particularly the AMG versions.
@@teenchy most definitely. M113 and M113k's are nothing to turn your nose up at.
I love my 1990 560 SEC. if anything should happen to it I would look for another one.
You would have to pay dearly if you need to buy another decent one today....
I have 3 of these classics Pierre. 1978 350 sl 1989 300se 1992 230e. I love every one of them they are so different n I maintain all of them myself. So yeah. These cars are awesome with their build quality n the problems they pose but a joy to work on all of em
Thank you, to the point with no apologies as always.
I grew up in the early 70's with mercedes. Most people had not heard too much about mercedes then. My brother had a 190d and my father had a 220 se convertible 4 speed. and and through years had some 300d and 300sd's. I though body was too big for 300sd's. I like turbo Td about 82 much better. Now i have clk 55 amg which i like alot. Lucky to have a honest mercedes mechanic also. Love your channel. You can really see how passionate you are about mercedes.
Loved it !
Pierre, you are the best.
Thank you so much for sharing your thoughts. Ive been a Mercedes owner for long time (pre-1995) and I love the older Mercedes; however, they had thier share of issues just like the modern ones; such as the constant head gasket failures on the M103 and M104 engines, wiring harness, AC/heater core and the list goes on. Is there a Modern Mercedes that has a great quality and has the potential to be a future classic? Absolutely Yes. W212 face-lift. It is absolutely the best E class Mercedes ever built ( and yes, I've owned a W124). The W204 is another future classic, especially the C63 with the M156 engine. The W211 E55 with the M113K is also another example of a great car that will be a future classic. There many great Modern Mercedes that has better quality than per 1995, you just need to see the true engineering in them. Thank you and please keep the videos coming.
I may have mentioned this previously but it makes your point. I flew from DFW to Las Vegas to meet a client. Drove my 1975 W116 350SE to the airport. The client picked me up in his new S550. The comparison was stark. The 550 had absurd mood lighting as well as various driving nannies. And seat side bolsters that automatically puffed up depending on right or left turns. My client was very pleased with this thing, and knowing I have a few Mercs, asked what I thought of his 550. Unfiltered, “Lot of things to break. Better have a long warranty.” To myself I realized the S550 would NOT be on the road 45 years after it was built, unlike the 350SE.
Great story!
I agree 100%. My ‘05 C240 has more technology, but my old ‘84 300SD was more of a tank, was infinitely repairable and had a soul. I was a fool parting with it.
A good video as always. You said some tough truths. I employ the old German standard where you keep a car for as long as you can before you have to give it up. I have an 08 C300 that is still going strong.
I have a low mileage 2006 W211 E320 CDi with the last of the il6 engines. Might be worth hanging onto it.
Amazing truth being shared here!
Bonjour Pierre, I can only agree with you. I had the chance to grow up in a W126, first a 1984 280 SE then a 1990 300 SEL that I kept until today! I own this car with love and passion. I also owned a W124 convertible 300 CE and I still own a R107 560 SL Euro.
Recently, in order to preserve my W126 which was my daily car, I decided to replace it with a Lexus. Why Lexus? Because that's the only brand that comes close to the quality standards of our beloved W126. They can last a very long time, they are extremely reliable, confortable and their modern design has improved a lot over the years. I have an 2019 IS300h.
A page has turned in 1995 and I hate new Mercedes.
Always good to hear the thoughts and opinions of the Sage of Titusville!
Hi Pierre! What about the cars that have the diesel engine OM606. Cars were fittet those engines well into the 2000s
Well said 👌
Spot on - my W204 c class is faster and safer than my W108 but guess which one will still be driving around in 30 years !
Point on regarding the 1995 switch from engineering to financial focus. I can think of other companies which made the same mistake..-…..
Jez Pierre with the daggers at the end.
1993 400E
1995 C220
1994 E320
1977 450SL (current)
2000 E55 AMG (current)
Thembmarket site may disagree with Pierre. I will say I love my E55 AMG but not the rust. I also got it cheap. Still I think Pierre is right. 1995 MBs are the way to go. I just wish they were easier to support parts wise.
Very well put. Just before covid my workshop rebuilt the V8 engine in a 1972 350 SL which I remember mostly as the DALLAS car. Rest of car very well maintained over the years and now drives like new and I remember driving them new. Not bad for a 50 year old car. I think peak auto engineering was in the late 90's at the high end. I am a BMW fancier but nonetheless wouldn't mind getting my hands on a Ford Escort (MK1 or MK2) or a Ford Capri (any) for 50 quid. Lots of the AMG drivers out there know exactly why.
Yes im lucky with my old school 80ies qualities! Bob Belgium😎🤜
PLEASED to hear your veiws! I'm in the sweet spot it seems, a 380 SL, 420 SEL and a 300 CE 24V w124!
Excellent review 👌🏽🇩🇪
Sad to say I agree - keeping my gelädenwagen, and not sure I would do anything after '18 in future.
Not a topic I ever considered, because I am convinced all this is a downhill race.
I have cars to last me the next 100 years and they are all 1995 and older.
Well narrated Armageddon story, I fully agree.
BTW, I already see a flood of cars (1999 and newer which makes most of them 20 years or newer) being dumped or picked up on the side of the road. Their only value is in the catalytic converter and basically nothing else.., really sad.
Amen to the last comment! We’ve been a Mercedes family since the 1980s.
Pierre did you see Hoovie’s new 280SE? Pretty sweet!
I agree,and love old MB´s as well.However;I´ve had W123,W201 and W124 and while being great cars,they had their own issues.I´ve owned w210 E200(built 1996) for 9 years now,and it feels like a true Mercedes and has been totally without issues,like a dream car in that sense.Still,I hope someday I also own a true,older classic MB once again.
I've owned five Mercedes; a 1993 W201, a 1993 W140, a 1994 W124, 1998 W140, and a 2002 W208. The only thing worthy of the Three Pointed Star on the 2002 W208 CLK320 was the design concept in general, and the drive train. Now THAT was bullet proof. The actual build quality and execution? The then-new Toyota Corolla my co-worker bought his daughter and brought it to work to show me was of vastly better fit and finish, body panels and interior-wise.
I've seen a 2004 Honda CR-V with a better fit and finish than a 1985 w126. 20 years progress in manufacturing is noticeable.
@@twntwrs You are missing the point, so I'll restate it; The interior of a 2002 CLK320 was cheap and flimsy and not worthy of a Mercedes Benz. That can NEVER be said of ANY W126. Plus the 2002 and the Corolla were only about 6 years apart at that time.
I think that AMGs (real AMGs that is, not the cars with packages), the last of the non All terrain E-Class wagons, G-class and those rare modern diesels sold in the US in small quantities will become classics. Others like the SLR and the SLS have always been classics and will remain like that.
Many of those are already priced as classics
What do you think of a2012 r350
What is your view on 2012 E350 coupe (w207)
Could a W124 E420 from 1995 fall in the category of future collectibles or classics?
W211 and W212 E class (2005-2015) are appealing Mercedes cars, in my opinion.
Great info 👍
great
I believe that the first generation of the CLS will become a classic. It started a entire generation of sloped roof sedans that makes a four door car's back seat totally useless.
👏 👍 👌 I always say that to my friends who loves or like new Mercedes , it's just a nice good looking and maybe fast cars , but and it's a big but 😄 it's not a real Mercedes like my W124 or my Dad’s W123
So true. There are a couple of newer CL 500's coupes I like ONLY for the overall body style. Other than that, no thanks.
All very true. Mercedes is just another mass producer. My '89 190E 2.5,16v (yes it's an auto) will see me through.. It will also leave the manual ones behind at the traffic lights.
I am a new subscriber and enjoy your direct candid approach! You make it real. I own a 1994 C280 with a January 1994 built date. I bought it in 2019 from the original owner. I have been finding the car a joy to drive. I would really appreciate your opinion on whether I should keep It-I put about $1000 - $1200 a year in maintenance not including oils changes…I probably do more than absolutely needed but hoping when taken all together it keeps running …
Sure the w163 is well on its way.
Groundbreaking tech, solid drivetrain, great looks / design features.
So modernly designed that my 2002 ML500 can be said to be a virtual template that a dozen manufacturers follow to design their 2021 models...
@Justinian Yi
For sure.
Too bad many NEVER ventured off pavement to discover that.
When I was an initial buyer, only 1 in 3 knew how to engage Low Range.
At least 1/3 didn't know it was full time AWD !
Some of that blame lies with the clueless MB marketing that engineered the most advanced AWD SUV then omitted an "AWD" badge on the rear tailgate !
I've often wondered how many w163 sales were lost to Subaru (or other AWD Sport vehicles) owing to this simple oversight ?
Excellent vid! My first Merc was a 94 plate E200. That was strong, reliable and a rust free car and was built to last. I've owned 6 Mercs to date, all of them keeping brilliant body work and engines as sweet as a nut! Electrics of course being their Achilles heels.
My current guilty pleasure being a SLK on a 2006 plate, the Mclaren style derivative. This I feel is a Classic b@mb proof work of art. For me it is a classic of the near future. The electrics also being good too! That seems to be the concensus on this model. With the ECU needing a reset several years.
The MBZ level of quality across the board I have found is extremely good. BUT It's such a pity that the MB after sales service stinks here in the UK. I would never use a Mercedes main delaer for maintenance, I always use a local generic brand specialist who know Mercs instead. The cost works out less than a 1/3. Using that strategy, providing a German luxury drive that does NOT break the bank.
I think you are right. Pre '95 era Mercedes were the real ones. But there are some new ones that we're going to miss as well so they won't depreciate like the rest of the new ones. R172 SLK55 AMG, W204 C63 AMG 507 Edition, latest G-Class before the new model, CLK63 AMG Cabriolet (building quality on these sucks but the production volume was low and there are no amg cabriolets in the next model), W210 E55 AMG will go up...even the w212 E500 Cabriolet are something we won't see again from Mercedes...
What about end of run cars that were designed pre-1995. Like my 2001 R129?
Did you have any trouble with the top?
@@ronalddean3630 yes, replaced all 11 hydraulic cylinders with a core swap from Top Hydraulics. It’s time consuming but not too difficult. Took me 12 hours of steady work. There is a very detailed tutorial on how to do it on UA-cam.
Hey Pierre, what would you say about a 1998 w202 v6 c280
I own one since 2006 and it’s in perfect conditions.. built real tough
Proud of being a classic owner and mechanic of 4. Beginning with Bridget, a white 1984, 380sl with 245k with suburb compression, aka Fun/Sun car. Next is Goldilocks, 1983 300D Turbo, aka The Workhorse, 230k, strong like an Ox, leaving nearly all in rear view mirror while climbing hills. Next is our pair of 1986 190D's 2.5, both are daily drivers to/from work. One of which is a five speed. Nothing beats our 80s Mercedes. I will only purchase these cars of this era.
Honest thoughts on a CLK 320 W208?
Rust bucket.
The 320 probably won't be highly desired. The 420 and 500 AMG will be desired.
I agree with you. The biggest problem is going to be the LCD TFT’s. There are only two countries which can produce them, China and South Korea. The manufacturing of those displays require huge amounts of fresh water. Virtually all Western Governments have limited or prohibited the manufacturing. manufacturing of those displays moved then to China and South Korea.
Once they stop making them because of low quantity orders from their customers, which usually happens when a car manufacturer discontinues a model and their parts orders drop, then that particular model from any car manufacturer is basically obsolete and junk yard material because without the LCD’s the cars electronic system is shut down.
The German experts are expecting a live expectancy for the 2022 S Class with two LCD’s of 7 years
Yes C216
W208 Coupe Kompressor. Their rusting away quick in Europe. Ivd got a Yr 2000 with 89000 km. Just great. With it was an AMG or Brabus . Agree on the new mercs, high speed and to much tech flat screen.
Had w201 124 r129 have w211 w209 and r230 will keep until I die
Thank you so much for noting the negative role played by the automotive press in vehicle design. The need to keep up with insanely quick 0-60 times - which are harped on by lazy car reviewers - forces compromises (especially in BEVs) that are not consumer-centric.
Surely this just depends on your definition of classic. A basic Datsun Cherry from the 80s is now worth a lot more than it cost to originally buy. Any car will start to become more valuable 40 years later if it is still in reasonable condition.
Well said!
Mercedes changed their business model because of the success of Acura and Lexus in the 90's. Acura was dressing up an Accord with leather, accent wood and sound deadening and selling them for 25% less. Of course, when is the last time you saw a Legend still on the road.
is 20.000 eur ok price for 1991 c124 300ce automatic with 200.000 km in dark silver with tan interior. 2 owners, partially filled out service book but all the invoices, car is in quite good condition.
W217, W218, and W219 will be classics
Like it
You made me laugh at the end haha.
I love how I can rebuild my r107's components when they fail, due to time, i.e. grease the bearings in squirrel cage, clean contacts in modules, carbon off of ICV, etc.. & not replace with Chinese made aftermarket crap.
Pierre, do you think the MB Maybach S series are built to last longer being made in Germany? Or is still the same problem of too many computers and electronics that ultimately fail. Outrageously, prohibitively expensive to replace/repair. Therefore, not really a car worth owning and keeping as a collectible car.
W211 was in The movie transporter 2
Wasn't the W211 in Man in Black?.
Yeah but 1995 was when they change but they research and develop these cars well before they put them out so even after 90-95 for a few years they are still great cars
LMAO!!! Owner of a 1995 E320 Cabriolet/Best car I’ve ever owned.
I see the w212 single turbo 2.0 diesel favored by taxi drivers as a future classic.
What's a taxi
I too tend to see a w212 as a potential future classic
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107 123 126
The perfect trifecta
Great ending. haha
What about a 1987 560SEL
Probably the last "classic" is the W140/C140. The last MB built to a standard, not a cost, excepting perhaps the Maybach. Will anything later be a classic? We will probably see 2003-2005 W211's on the road for many years to come. Will they be considered "classic"? Probably not.
Sad to hear that the r107 (if I heard correctly) like my 560SL, will soon be parked, owing to "planned obsolescence, high maintenance, and repair costs". Thought they were like the 123s; lasting forever.
If I remember correctly, he said, that there will be no cars like the r107 because the new cars are much more high-maintenance. The issues only applie to the later cars. So you can be proud to own a Forever-Mercedes ;-).
@@gabrielg38 I'd like to take my '88 560SL on a 4000-mile trip in August. Hoping it'll make it without any electrical nor fuel delivery problems. I know it can be fixed along the way, but could be stalled for days because parts may need to be ordered.
@@azmike3572 Great car. I hope to own one in the future... I wish you the best of luck for your road trip, I hope you will have a great time!
@@gabrielg38 Thanks. You too, will own one. But not sure I'll take the 107, again thinking of possible time lost from getting parts should a breakdown occur. After all, it is 33 years old.
Interesting but one key assumption every young driver of today will value Mercedes exactly the same way that you do, and I doubt that, the key point around electronics is valid and yet today already there are heaps of people who collect old electronics and like restoring computers, game consoles etc.. so maybe not. As for quality 1000% correct. Everything today has an engineered lifespan to support future sales… but overall a very valued opinion of the brand as it’s been trading on that quality for the last 20 years many retired people drive old ish ..Mercedes… post 98.
Don't forget the lunacy of the 10k mile oil change. Not conducive to longevity.
can't agree more, sad to say
You should never disrespect a 2007 E320CDI it was re-engineered 2006 and before the Blue Tec shit they are Classic 👍👍👍👍😎😎😎
W215. Maybe in another 10 years
You’re basically saying the same things that lead certain individuals to form the Vintage Sports Car Club in the U.K. back in the early 30’s. In essence they bemoaned the fact that, with a few honourable exceptions, motor cars were now being designed and built by salesmen and accountants rather than engineers. The only lesson which history teaches us is that we learn nothing from history.
SLR, SLS, GT are all obvious answers
I think some of the bread-and-butters will 'hold their value', but never become valuable. A rust free OM606 powered w210 is a great car. Practical. No high pressure electronic fuel pumps. 33 to 34 REAL WORLD mpg (if fuel system is watched after). Limited US production. Just keep them out of the salt.
Not really a fan of the newer Mercedes, although wouldn't mind a W163 ML270CDI. Future classic? probably not though.
I am Shocked and Appalled how bad the reliability of previously known German luxury cars are now days...a Real Shame
87,89,91
The problem is that modern cars won't be able to get a "Classic" nomenclature 'cause of reliability 😆😆😆
Clk GTR , clk 63 black series CLK DTM rare race car homologation C63 BS SL65 BS SLR Mclaren, amg gt BS , SLS AMG / BS are already modern classics. But the rest wont. W463 G wagon maybe
I hope the c63 eventually becomes cheap.
Now we’re two
So the modern cars will be classics just based on external factors (that could make even a pencil famous: AMG, BRABUS, made for a celebrity or an occasion,...)
It has nothing to do with the car anymore
No because there are 2 kinds of cars. Mechanical/analog/build quality ones (prior to 1990) and digital/computer/cheap ones. The former can be classics. The latter cannot be.
Sprinter van..... just kidding