For this reading comments, I am now doing my own oil changes (since the local guy wants $175 for my SEC and over $220 for my 350 SDL) and based upon Pierre's recommendation I use Valvoline Premium Blue diesel oil for both. I live in Eastern NC so we rarely have sub freezing temperatures and that means this oil choice should be A-Okay year-round. I ordered half a dozen Mahle and Mann filters and would never be stupid enough to buy Auto-zone filters. Just Say No, folks. 😉 Synthetic oil story: A friend of mine bought a 380 SEC and his mechanic advised using synthetic oil. He did and the car began leaking like crazy. He dumped the oil, went back to non-synthetic and surprise-surprise, the leaking stopped.
On my 80s and early 90s MBs and Audi I’m using full synthetic 5W-40 (Fuchs Titan Supersyn). Mainly because they’re daily drivers and it gives that essential protection when temperatures are below freezing. Also I’ve found that the full synthetic oils appear to keep the engine clean from sludge. In the past the oil would be black almost immediately after a change…now it’s dark amber as best. I get all the arguments about full synth causing oil leaks because it breaks down ‘plugs’ in gaskets etc. But I’d rather replace a crappy old gasket than have my oil galleries plugged with sludge and my valvetrain receiving inadequate lubrication!
I've been using Castrol 10/40 synthetic blend ("for high mileage engines") in my M110 engine for a few years now. The cam lobes are definitely cleaner than when another oil type was used. But then again, I've had this '77 280E since 1990 - back when exotic oils were in their infancy.
I use Liqui-Moli 10-40 MoS2, lots of Molibdenum Disulfide in it. It seems it is protecting my cam lobes and other surfaces well. I add a quart of Lucas conditioner, and I add 1/2 quart of MMO 250 miles before the oil change (5000 miles or 6 month, whichever comes first), it seems to keep my oil passages clean….no issues with this system I adopted.
Off topic, but valvoline max life full synthetic made my 722.303 transmission incredibly responsive beyond what could be explained merely by it being a fresh oil change!
I use Shell Rotella T6 full synthetic in my W124 300D. It gets cold in the winter where I am, so I go with the 15W40 in the summer and 5W40 in the winter
Good info. I like the mention of oil analysis. You might look into Schaefer’s synthetic diesel oils. I’ve been using it in a 6.0 Powerstroke for over 120k miles with no breakdowns. I went with a FS 2500 bypass oil filter at the time of the switch and have done oil analysis with the TBN testing. They advise that at 10,000 miles the oil has over half its wear package intact and could go to 15000 miles easily. The truck has just over 200k on it now.
For my 1985 500 SEC, I use Valvoline VR1 20w50 non-synthetic oil, and an OEM oil filter from my local Mercedes Benz dealer. Filter costs $16.50 plus tax.
I would mention Ravenol 5w-40 High Mileage... 100% synthetic not "full synthetic" and Kendall 10w-40 synthetic blend. I run the Kendall in my classic and the Ravenol in the "newer" Benz. The Ravenol is the only high Mileage Benz spec oil I believe.
I usually stick with Castrol Magnatec 10w-40. Most of my cars have been old-ish and it's always been the best of the ones I've tried in terms of how the engines behave, drive and sound... My Merc is W124 89' 200E and I leave in Crete, Greece (temp 10°-45°C)
Ditto .. Mobil 1 15W50 is a mainstay for many Porsche 911 air-cooled car owners. .. Although its zinc content has been reduced as of late to 1300 ppm.. High Zinc ppm is not freindly to Catalytic converters over time. .. I've used M1 15W50 in both our '98 Carrera S (993) an the MB '94 E320 C124 Coupe w/M104. .. The oil analysis has been very good throughout the decades. .. (Blackstone Labs)
@@michaelschneider- curiously MBZ recommends 5w40 strictly for the newer generation M156 motor in my E63, no substitutes. I guess that is the industry trend, lower and lower viscosity for modern engines
The owners manual for my 1983 380SL clearly states that I should use 20W50. So I do. In addition I use the high zinc oil (ZDDP) Valvoline VR1. I change my oil on the recommended interval of 5000 miles. I have gone to changing my oil when the odometer thousands mark is either 0 (zero) of 5. I use Mann filters.
Good video! I have used Shell Rotella for years in my classic Diesel Mercedes. I’m not sure if any one knows but there has been a diesel oil shortage and it’s pretty bad.
I can somewhat understand the what oil question, even though it’s a dead horse, but I heard someone ask what type of fuel they should use the other day….
Diesel people should check out Hot Shots Secret Black Diamond Outlaw oil. It has insane Zinc levels, and cant be used in modern diesels because the Zinc will grenade CATs, SCRs, and all the other emissions systems.
For my W124 with gas engine, I've been using Mobil 1 15W-50. After I do the valve stem seals, I'm considering Red Line 10W-40. (Red Line says their oil can cover the needs of a 20W-50 or 15W-50 with the shear strength of their 10W-40, and I used to use it on the ol' GTI with good results.) I have been using Schaeffer's on an Dodge Magnum 5.9L gas motor lately and am liking the results. If you are a diesel person, I definitely suggest you look into Schaeffer's synthetic oil, and fuel additives. Poke around youtube for some Schaeffer oil diesel teardown videos.
Well done as always. I assume since you mentioned the M117 engine when talking about diesel oils (high zinc content) you recommend using it in gas engines even without the S rating. Sorry to be confused here.
Not really worried about the cost ,I want something that works. I've been running royal purple HPS(hps is the high zinc/phosphorus type) in a 10/40 for my older VW diesels. Was kinda thinking that stuff would be ok for my 80 240d, or am I in left field?
Thanks for the video I use CASTROL 5W-40 DS MB SPEC 229.5 Environmental this is what they use at the shop that I go to; so can someone tell me if this is a good oil for a 350 E 2013 and if not which one do you think would be better thank you❤
Hey. Excellent. It's a boring question I have always wanted a confirmation on...for years. The old school German who works on mine uses the Molly. High zinc. Never understood until now. Zinc...Learn something new every day. So..m117 need 15/40 on the fly but the Molly is good on service yes?
@@faizrahman7671 he uses liquamoly 10w-40 mso2 99.00 on his web page and adds an additive that is is like a black syrup makes the oil appear dirty cant remember what it is.
Or.... Super tech 15w40, its cheap, besides, Consumer reports state, "It doesn't matter the quality of OIL, as long as its changed every 3,000 miles" so, my 2005 F350 I bought BRAND new and have only used the cheap crap, ie. Delo,Rotella, motorcraft or super tech for the last 225,000 miles & there is still cross hatching on Cyl walls, so, I'm sold and only super tech 15w40 diesel will go in my 55,000 mile 85 380SL, -Cheers!
I use the liquimoly classic 20w50 because the shiny Mercedes picture on the box makes me feel special.
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Been using Mobil 1 5W-30 in my Acura TL. 294,000 miles with no issues.
at 17 bucks a gallon that 15/40 Valvoline Blue sounds like a no brainer for my 450SL
For this reading comments, I am now doing my own oil changes (since the local guy wants $175 for my SEC and over $220 for my 350 SDL) and based upon Pierre's recommendation I use Valvoline Premium Blue diesel oil for both. I live in Eastern NC so we rarely have sub freezing temperatures and that means this oil choice should be A-Okay year-round. I ordered half a dozen Mahle and Mann filters and would never be stupid enough to buy Auto-zone filters. Just Say No, folks. 😉
Synthetic oil story: A friend of mine bought a 380 SEC and his mechanic advised using synthetic oil. He did and the car began leaking like crazy. He dumped the oil, went back to non-synthetic and surprise-surprise, the leaking stopped.
yeah, the Autozone filter is $5 😆
@@MrRjnr 5$ and ya got ripped off.
Commercial account access gets ya stp oil filters for 1.99😂
I've never picked up a lighter oil filter in my life 😂
Replace the seals, and using high mileage versions of synthetics will help the seals maintain their form.
On my 80s and early 90s MBs and Audi I’m using full synthetic 5W-40 (Fuchs Titan Supersyn). Mainly because they’re daily drivers and it gives that essential protection when temperatures are below freezing.
Also I’ve found that the full synthetic oils appear to keep the engine clean from sludge. In the past the oil would be black almost immediately after a change…now it’s dark amber as best.
I get all the arguments about full synth causing oil leaks because it breaks down ‘plugs’ in gaskets etc. But I’d rather replace a crappy old gasket than have my oil galleries plugged with sludge and my valvetrain receiving inadequate lubrication!
I've been using Castrol 10/40 synthetic blend ("for high mileage engines") in my M110 engine for a few years now. The cam lobes are definitely cleaner than when another oil type was used. But then again, I've had this '77 280E since 1990 - back when exotic oils were in their infancy.
I use Liqui-Moli 10-40 MoS2, lots of Molibdenum Disulfide in it. It seems it is protecting my cam lobes and other surfaces well. I add a quart of Lucas conditioner, and I add 1/2 quart of MMO 250 miles before the oil change (5000 miles or 6 month, whichever comes first), it seems to keep my oil passages clean….no issues with this system I adopted.
Moly -B-Denim is always a good thing!
Lucas is just thick base stock with no anti-wear additivd package. Just use 20W-50 if you demand thicker oil.
Off topic, but valvoline max life full synthetic made my 722.303 transmission incredibly responsive beyond what could be explained merely by it being a fresh oil change!
I use 15W-40 Liqui Moly Diesel Oil. Thanks for the vid, Pierre
Agree on turbodiesel oils. They contain the ZDDP our engines need
Thank you for the informations. It was really helpful.
I use Shell Rotella T6 full synthetic in my W124 300D. It gets cold in the winter where I am, so I go with the 15W40 in the summer and 5W40 in the winter
Good day all. i Use Shell Helix HX8 5w40....Or Shell Helix Ultra 5w40 on mercedes m271 engine. Thanks for informative video Pierre
Good info. I like the mention of oil analysis. You might look into Schaefer’s synthetic diesel oils. I’ve been using it in a 6.0 Powerstroke for over 120k miles with no breakdowns. I went with a FS 2500 bypass oil filter at the time of the switch and have done oil analysis with the TBN testing. They advise that at 10,000 miles the oil has over half its wear package intact and could go to 15000 miles easily. The truck has just over 200k on it now.
I live in the UK and use Penrite Classic Light 20W-60 High Zinc, works well in my 6.3s.
For my 1985 500 SEC, I use Valvoline VR1 20w50 non-synthetic oil, and an OEM oil filter from my local Mercedes Benz dealer. Filter costs $16.50 plus tax.
You didn't mention Liquimoly, 5W40. Enjoyed your video, good information. 👍
I would mention Ravenol 5w-40 High Mileage... 100% synthetic not "full synthetic" and Kendall 10w-40 synthetic blend. I run the Kendall in my classic and the Ravenol in the "newer" Benz. The Ravenol is the only high Mileage Benz spec oil I believe.
Living in Florida before multi grade oil became popular my father used 40w in summer and 30w in winter.
Look at that clean an organized desk! Go Pierre :)
Very interesting information about the oils. ☺️👍
I used 20w50 in a 69 280 SL for 10 years without a problem. Castrol or Valvoline. Also I use in my 300d Adenauer
I usually stick with Castrol Magnatec 10w-40. Most of my cars have been old-ish and it's always been the best of the ones I've tried in terms of how the engines behave, drive and sound...
My Merc is W124 89' 200E and I leave in Crete, Greece (temp 10°-45°C)
I use Liqui Moly 10W40 MoS2 on my 190D
We have been running mobil1 15W50 for years. Great for hotter climates and high mileage 200+ K miles
Ditto .. Mobil 1 15W50 is a mainstay for many Porsche 911 air-cooled car owners. .. Although its zinc content has been reduced as of late to 1300 ppm.. High Zinc ppm is not freindly to Catalytic converters over time. .. I've used M1 15W50 in both our '98 Carrera S (993) an the MB '94 E320 C124 Coupe w/M104. .. The oil analysis has been very good throughout the decades. .. (Blackstone Labs)
@@michaelschneider- curiously MBZ recommends 5w40 strictly for the newer generation M156 motor in my E63, no substitutes. I guess that is the industry trend, lower and lower viscosity for modern engines
The owners manual for my 1983 380SL clearly states that I should use 20W50. So I do. In addition I use the high zinc oil (ZDDP) Valvoline VR1. I change my oil on the recommended interval of 5000 miles. I have gone to changing my oil when the odometer thousands mark is either 0 (zero) of 5. I use Mann filters.
Good video! I have used Shell Rotella for years in my classic Diesel Mercedes. I’m not sure if any one knows but there has been a diesel oil shortage and it’s pretty bad.
yes, it took a few weeks for me to get Rotella T5!
Olive oil , and it tastes good almost with everything......
Extra virgin?
I can somewhat understand the what oil question, even though it’s a dead horse, but I heard someone ask what type of fuel they should use the other day….
Diesel people should check out Hot Shots Secret Black Diamond Outlaw oil. It has insane Zinc levels, and cant be used in modern diesels because the Zinc will grenade CATs, SCRs, and all the other emissions systems.
"penrite" from Australia, lots of zinc!!
I like penrite oil, which advertises their high zinc content. Not sure if available in the usa though.
For high zinc content, Mobil 1 for V Twins is excellent. I'm not sure if it can carry the soot load of a diesel oil though.
I always use bardahl xtc60 15w50 for my 250sl w113. Bardahl has a special formula that reduce the metal friction dramatically.
Very fine analysis, Pierre. My W116 350SE and C124 300CE-24 use the LubriMoly. The R170 SLK320 sips Amsoil.
For my W124 with gas engine, I've been using Mobil 1 15W-50. After I do the valve stem seals, I'm considering Red Line 10W-40. (Red Line says their oil can cover the needs of a 20W-50 or 15W-50 with the shear strength of their 10W-40, and I used to use it on the ol' GTI with good results.)
I have been using Schaeffer's on an Dodge Magnum 5.9L gas motor lately and am liking the results. If you are a diesel person, I definitely suggest you look into Schaeffer's synthetic oil, and fuel additives. Poke around youtube for some Schaeffer oil diesel teardown videos.
maybe consider Liqui Moly's 10w40? I'm going to try it this fall in my 300SD
Well done as always. I assume since you mentioned the M117 engine when talking about diesel oils (high zinc content) you recommend using it in gas engines even without the S rating. Sorry to be confused here.
Leaving a comment!!!
Another great video, great suggestions!
Love it.
Your views are always appreciated.
Duckhams 20W-50 Classic Motor Oil, The Original Green Multigrade 👌👍
Great, thank you
Would really like you to review ROWE OIL! Winners at both the 24 Hrs. of Le Mans and Spa.
Very fine analysy
thanks for the video boss
Great video! So Valvoline 15w50 for M104 inline 6 cyl motors ok? thank you!
How about Liqui Moly 10W-40 with MoS2 Pierre? Would you suggest that too?
yes, i would like to know as well
I use Mobil 1 since my old w203 had that sticker on it as oe
liqui moly 15-40 all the way.
Liqui moly 15-40 is it for gas engine or diesel engine
@@RK-rh7rh diesel
Ty
Pierre, speaking of oil, what is your thoughts on manual transmission oil/fluid for a 113?
Not really worried about the cost ,I want something that works.
I've been running royal purple HPS(hps is the high zinc/phosphorus type) in a 10/40 for my older VW diesels.
Was kinda thinking that stuff would be ok for my 80 240d, or am I in left field?
One question: Which is the desirable level of zinc in a motor oil?
1200 ppm is good
Thank you for all the info! What do you think about Liqui Moly MoS2 10W40 on a W140 - M104.994 (with HFM-SFI) ?
according to my own reserch, this car needs API SG engine oil. Liqui Moly MoS2 is SL. SL is after SG; so I assume it is safe to use...
Does anyone use Liqui Moly 10W40 Mos2 in their classic Mercedes?
Hi What would you use on 93 s600?
Any tips or statements about the 500 sec?
Your 500SEC has the M117 engine and Pierre gave advice for which oil can be used.
Thanks for the video I use CASTROL 5W-40 DS MB SPEC 229.5 Environmental this is what they use at the shop that I go to; so can someone tell me if this is a good oil for a 350 E 2013 and if not which one do you think would be better thank you❤
Hey.
Excellent. It's a boring question I have always wanted a confirmation on...for years.
The old school German who works on mine uses the Molly. High zinc. Never understood until now. Zinc...Learn something new every day.
So..m117 need 15/40 on the fly but the Molly is good on service yes?
I use Liqui Moly 10w40 in my 300SD
Hi Pierre,wanted to ask you if I can use 20w50 liqui/molly classic)for 92 w140 ,500se or 600sel
What is the difference in European standard oil and American standard oil?
Hi! What about Motul?
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No one seems to know what's the best oil for 2015 cls 350 cdi ..please help
Any thoughts on MOS2 oil?
this ^^
Has anyone been using Shaeffer’s ?
Pierre what do you think of Ken's opinion on the subject ?
whats Kens opinion
@@faizrahman7671 he uses liquamoly 10w-40 mso2 99.00 on his web page and adds an additive that is is like a black syrup makes the oil appear dirty cant remember what it is.
But what's the best brand of olive oil? ;)
How about Castrol semi synthetic?
Can we fight about this in the comments?
So it's ok to use diesel oil in a '81 280E as well?
If you are in a warm/hot climate, I'd say yes.
@@ItsTimePictures I've been using a conventional 10w40 plus a can of liqui moly MoS2. I live in Seattle.
Or.... Super tech 15w40, its cheap, besides, Consumer reports state, "It doesn't matter the quality of OIL, as long as its changed every 3,000 miles" so, my 2005 F350 I bought BRAND new and have only used the cheap crap, ie. Delo,Rotella, motorcraft or super tech for the last 225,000 miles & there is still cross hatching on Cyl walls, so, I'm sold and only super tech 15w40 diesel will go in my 55,000 mile 85 380SL, -Cheers!