Seeing Doug in the same room as other people is always weird. Sometimes I forgot that he's a real human and not a strange Goblin man who lives under a car.
No kidding, I did a Bluefin Tuna workshop with a fellow fishing UA-camr and the video that came out was 45 minutes. We get along great and have done podcasts but there was plenty of jumpcuts and stuff he had to edit out whereas this just flowed incredibly well #goals
@@joshuathomas512 no I don’t think so! I just referenced how much a CGT is commonly going for on the market these days- I don’t know about the specifics of his car!
100% agree on the new NSX. That car is INCREDIBLY underrated. I rode in one recently and it's truly an astonishing car, mixing exceptional handling with surprising ride comfort, blistering performance in a V6 plug-in hybrid, and excellent looks (particularly in red) that somehow blend in with the crowd anyway. The whole car is a marriage of opposites, and it's very much underappreaciated in the market.
i am looking to buy this car used in about 2-3 years and I feel like I'm in danger when anyone speaks of it as a car that will be appreciated in the future, I cannot take even the potential increases in price 😩
LC500 is one of the all time beautiful cars and great sounding engines, especially the convertible. I think if they made a manual version as a swan song car it would skyrocket in value.
@@christianharris4800Probably close to 0% chance they’d make a manual for the LC. The car sells in such low numbers, no way they are gonna spend more on development.
The Lexus ISF is a great example of the late models fetching a massive premium. Just due to the incremental updates and low production volumes, the 2013/14 models fetch a 50-100% premium over the 2008 models, which is pretty wild to see.
Under the context that Doug isn't going anywhere, I'm actually appreciating the inclusion of Doug's friends and the Doug extended universe. The personalities really do play off each other well.
+1 to Doug's comment about the LC500 value being higher for the updated cars with the infotainment upgrades. Also there are two new colors for 2024, Ultrasonic Blue Mica 2.0 and Copper Crest. So if you have a '24 in one of those colors, it will be a very unique car. Put my order on a convertible in one of the new colors a couple of weeks ago 🙂
I love how Doug, correctly, went off on people making predictions about the car market. Then without missing a beat, followed it up with some self/group deprecating humor. Fantastic self awareness Doug!! Love this group!!
Whether we are talking about sports broadcasting or drinking beers with friends, three is such a magic number and this video has proven it to me. Moreover, a lot of fav cars are here!
Totally agree, I’m actually looking to get one within the next few years before prices jump. I’ve only heard good things from owners of these cars and finding a used one with lower miles that’s priced fair is easy, for now lol.
@@TheRenegade.You may be right but it’s a very, very location specific car. Driving one in Phoenix is a lot easier than driving one in Buffalo. It is borderline un-drivable in harsh weather climates with poor road conditions and I know this first hand.
@@axe2grind244 Not to sound dumb, but is there a reason it’s un-drivable when in harsh weather conditions? I’m guessing you’re referring to harsh winters because you mentioned Buffalo? I thought the AWD was very capable in snow but I might be mistaken. I’m in Texas so from what I’ve heard owners love their cars here lol. But we just deal with extreme heat and that’s about it.
See this format with Doug and the gang is definitely something I enjoy it sounds like a conversation between friends and I almost feel like I am part of it because the comments are sparked off of the conversation. I may not like seeing anyone other than Doug in the review videos because that’s what I know and what I enjoy but this stuff is gold. It almost comes off like a podcast in a shorter format.
Along with the i8 Im guessing. Theyll get super low compared to price when new, people trash em away, the become rarer and cooler and will start to pickup. God I hope the NSX does come down
The really weird thing about the new NSX, which I liked, is that it was both too late and too soon. If it had come out sooner it would have been more revolutionary or if they had waited it would be competing with the E-Ray and triple motor electrics like Plaid and Lucid Sapphire
i think the E-ray should be fully electric why called it E-Ray if its not full electric like the mach e mustang and other full electric cars( leaf, mini E, fiat 500e)
I loved this analysis and lively conversation. I completely agree with all opinions given. I think the best way to sum this episode up is with Rush's song Red Barchetta.
10:03 saw this exact Speciale Aperta at a cars and coffee event in Michigan almost 2 months ago. VIN matched up and everything. Car took my breath away, and what’s crazy is that I was one of the few people there who truly knew what it was and why it was so special.
He is correct on predicting that it will never happen again as far as the gas engine and manual transmission with BMW but I do predict a MASSIVE influx of entrepreneurs and small groups building something like that and continuing the line. The custom market for gas engines is off the charts these days.
Two cars that 100% should be in this list: Nissan Z and Alfa Romeo Giulia QV. Also Maserati MC20 might shoot in value cuz it amazing to drive and one of very last non plug-in hybrid supercars of the brand with such a cool racing racing heritage
This is so much fun! I like the 3 of you talking cars together more than Doug alone or in pairs! This is the PERFECT Sunday show and could be way longer, not only personal lists, but talking car news, interesting facts, changes, markets, cars and bids coolest cars of the week, etc. Just please don't make it as a podcast. As a conversation between friends is WAY cooler!
The s2000 is going to continue to go up in value. One of very few high revving cars that is reliable. I'm guessing it'll be worth a small fortune in the future.
@dotcom721same here - they were under 10k when I was looking years ago now with under 100k miles, and clean, they’re $25k and over for an AP1. That’s why I wouldn’t mind one with over 100k miles - it’s a Honda! Hoping they’ll stay around $15-$20k
There was an interesting talking point about the end of the gasoline era making these cars more desirable in the future as EV’s take over the market. I’m curious if the auto industry/journalists are still predicting the march towards total EV production with the advancement of synthetic fuels on the horizon.
I really like this format with all of you. The reviews when you’re both talking to the camera, feels different. I think that’s why Throttle House guys can talk to each other about a car in a review and it works - if that makes sense. I appreciate the evolution regardless! 👍
I know Doug pointed out these last V8 sports cars, but I think the 14-15 Camaro Z/28 deserves special recognition. LS7 427, carbon ceramic brakes, A/C and radio was optional, no carpet in the trunk, first use of Multimatic DSSV dampers besides in a crazy concept car and F1. This Camaro is more special than the current ZL1 1LE. Only 3,500 produced in 2 years.
We dont need more collectible cars, we need to promote the enjoyment of cars over trying to find the next money maker. Prioritizing getting money out of as many cars as possible is going to be what mostly kills off the car community. Its going to be depressing to watch as owning cool cars be taken from normal middle class and young people and transfered to people who can just throw stupid money at them at the drop of a hat.
as long as cars exist, there will always be a new cool affordable car to mess with. Even if cars weren't affordable, then there's many other hobbies to enjoy. Cars (even EV after a decade of use) and roads and their maintenance will continue to heavily destroy the environment and general life satisfaction as urban planner push to make stuff only accessible by cars and not public transportation.
I think it's so cynical that people buy cars purely as a means of making money. I already own my dream car but have some bucket list cars like a Turbo MR2 and S2K. I feel like they're going to go up in value faster than I can bring up my income.
@@axeavier Glad to see car enthusiasts other than myself advocate for public transit. EVs are an ecological disaster (even aside from the power grid and mining issues) and I hope people eventually realize this.
@@axeavier no they dont, public transportation is for dummies, and ev's will never be fun, we will have big v8's and v12's forever. Public transportation restricts freedom, never advocate for it unless you want to be govt's baby
@@michaelfjmusic public transportation restricts freedom and is the worst possible thing to force people in, nobody wants it, only govt babies. It only benefits gov and money laundering industries.
@@AdamG1983I think Kennan needs to find his niche of knowledge and know when to assert himself, without developing that skill he's going to struggle against his co-presenters, who in all fairness are quite outspoken
Great video. I’d like to see less predictions about high end cars like Lambo. The cool predictions to me are ones like the Bronco and the Corolla GR. Both of these vehicles are affordable to most people. But good examples that last for 20 years likely will be worth decent money. I’d guess the GR86, Z, and Supra that remain low miles will be worth good money 15-20 years from now-we are seeing dealer markups on MSRP on all these as it stands. Keep these videos coming!
All overlooking the fact that we will never have enough rare earth minerals or charging infrastructure to go fully electric. I liken this to the uk government telling everyone in the early 2000s to go out and buy diesels, only to come back 20 years later and penalise everyone who bought one!
I caught myself thinking the GR86 might become collectible and hoping on it as an owner of one, but then I remembered mine will have such high miles by the time I'm done that it won't matter lol
Have you seen the sacrilege of them now having bs autonomous "safety" features starting for 24? The 22s and 23s will likely, down the line, be very desirable. I'm holding on to my 23 BRZ (that as our 3rd car won't have thaaaaat many miles lol).
A buddy of mine bought a fully loaded 2019 C63s, and I think it's going to age really well off the fact they went from a hand built V8 to the electric 4 cylinder. It just sounds so nice.
@@comedyman112the C63 Black Series will be even more desirable than the regular W204 C63. Still, any 6.2/6.3 AMG will be desirable, as well as any V12 model.
If I wanted to buy a fun sports car, I would go ICE+Manual, but here in Europe we have a few long-legged electric city hot hatches that are a blast to drive, so I think I would pick that for a fun good-for-everything kind of car. I think golf gti like vehicles might be surprisingly easier to substitute than we think
I take back questioning Doug’s evolution of the content. Adding Keenan an Alanis are 100% legitimate and I love seeing them agree and contest Doug’s views in this video. I’m on team car dorks and the more on our team the better! Well done Doug
People said the same thing when fuel injection and ECUs were introduced. EV and Hybrid tech will become commonplace, and mechanics, tunners, and enthusiasts will learn how to work with it the same way they learned with every other major tech shift.
@@WatanabeNoTsuna. I totally agree! By the way, to easily find a guy able to fine tune a twin barrel Weber carb is becoming harder now. Everything has its cycle as generations passes away. Thank you for the exchange of thoughts JP
@@WatanabeNoTsuna. Adding power to an ICE engine is easy. Add more fuel and air and you have more power. Upgrade parts as necessary. Adding power to an electric motor is practically impossible once you reach the limit of what the motor is designed for. You might be able to unlock a bit more power beyond what the manufacturer limited it to stock but beyond that it's physically limited by its internals. They're already designed for maximum efficiency at translating electricity into motion so it's not like you can upgrade the windings or magnets.
@@WatanabeNoTsuna. You're definitely not wrong, although batteries really don't take well to sitting not being used. So something like a collectible Ferrari that gets driven a few times a year will not need huge amounts of service where as an collectible EV that doesn't get much use will likely need a battery after a few years
Considering lithium ion batteries is not sustainable we are going to have issues. There are not enough mines at the moment. And then there’s the toxic nightmare at EOL. It’s being rushed and it won’t be good for the commoners.
Im totaly agree with you.The revolution we will see in the futur will be the same as the oil lamp vs electric bulb . Only the Rich continue to use oil . And With this change the gasoline car will appreciate and special one even more.
For me the Mustang dark horse has to be a remarkable time capsule that will fetch a pretty penny in a couple years not a lot of 8 cylinders running around and the Mustang is definitely a legendary one that will be missed.
I disagree. I think the styling went downhill and the interior looks nothing like a mustang plus the lack of any real physical controls. It will become dated by that. Plus the lack of aftermarket support and tuning will severely hurt it.
@stardogMLB I care about the interior in the 70k overpriced car. The 18-23 looks great, perfect blend of modern and classic. Sure the materials aren't the best but the 2024 isn't either, it lost all of its character and traded it for an iPad. The car was designed for 20 year old but is priced for a 50 year old
Great choice of the E63S! However, 2 corrections: 1. 2023 E63S is available in both wagon and sedan form as FINAL EDITION V8 TT. I am taking delivery of my wagon next week. The US is getting about 400 copies I think. 2. Next gen E63 power train has been announced already: straight 6 TT with a Hybrid.
@@alejandronasio7751 so, the RS6 performance is not for sale in the US, yet. Regular RS6 was a bit of a disappointment for me, personally. I like the way E63S handles and sounds a lot more that the RS6. As me again next year when the RS6 Performance comes to the US.
@@timmietz I daily an RS6, I'm stating that so you know that I'm a bit biased. I agree on that the RS6 could have been done a bit more aggressive. I have no idea why Audi, knowing already what their direct competition was doing went a few HP lower and a bit less noise. It's not like they couldn't, the URUS has the same engine and it has 657HP and it sounds amazing! But the handling, I think is better on the RS. I only drove the E63S a few times and to me the RS handles nicer with the 4-wheel steering. On the RS mode it's amazing and in auto or confort, it feels like an S-Class. I agree with you that maybe the Audi performance might be the one to have, for now though, I'm tuning mine, new inlet, new exhaust and I got a killer ride! (no warranty though) LOL
Yeah, standard trans is more fun. I bet if auto makers kept up on solid v6, standard transmission cars, people would buy them. The turbo 4-cylis are just not a good investment for long-term enthusiast enjoyment.
think the Camaro ZR1 1LE is the one to get now. love the channel, we are trying to do an Auction related channel...very hard to get the views even started.
This would make a great (audio) podcast leveraging chapter dividers and chapter art to show the slides you add to the video. Please consider making that!
I’m surprised none of the three of them said the 2023 Audi R8 GT. It’s the end of the run for the R8 and it’s their top of the line R8. Also the end of Audi’s naturally aspirated V10.
"New things get hate and as tinw goes on they get accepted " that defines how I feel about other hosts Doug, I really appreciate seeing Kennan and Alanis now :') ❤️ (I even feel dumb for disliking them in the first place 😶) Also: I hope this becomes a future classic (But I don't think it will) the Toyota GR 86 it might very well be the end of the line for the 86 and even among the current sports cars it represents something that doesn't exist anymore (other than the MX-5) small, lightweight, reasonably powered cars that are full of feel 🥰❤️ (A.K.A. Just my cup of tea 🥰)
I wonder of there will be no gas station , what will happen to the land . Its contaminated with chemicals will it it be worth it. Or will energy companies invest converting there petrol stations into mass ev ports
Some other cars I feel will become valuable/collectible are the F-150 RAPTOR & RAPTOR-R, the Bronco Raptor, and the TRX. The combination of big engine supercharged power and big off-road trucks will make for amazing collectors cars in the future.
Unless those types of cars get banned for some reason... I don't think so. There will be another faster and better version and they will sell a bunch because that's where the market is
Nah, light trucks are not subjective to emission standards. Only big engines in cars will be gone. American will always find a way to put big engines in their trucks.
Since you brought up color, which is a issue that I have discussed for a long time, I'd be interested in hearing you discuss this more. I talked with a person who was a brand manager at Chrysler and asked why there are so many black, white and silver cars sold. He said that it was because those are the colors that people want. I countered with the idea that most people purchase their vehicles out of dealer stock, and black, white and silver vehicles are what dealers order, so that is what people purchase. Other than my first car that was purchased out of dealer stock in 1985, I have since always ordered my vehicles so that I can get them the way I want them, including an interesting color. My current Wrangler is Commando Green (a color people either love or hate). The previous Jeep was Cactus Green. I currently own a Plum Crazy purple Challenger, and we had a Toxic Orange Charger. We only had three black cars (I dislike black cars, but my wife likes them.)
Because it's safe. People buying new cars think about resale value. Most people don't want cars with vibrant color, they think it makes them easy target for car jack or getting pulled over, which may or may not be true.
Doug, your comment on hated cars getting attention and being desired later is a good insight. In India, we had a car called the Nano. Everybody hated it brand new. The production stopped in 2018. Now a lot of people want one because it’s a tiny rear wheel rear engined car and the roads are getting jam packed.
The chemistry between these three is fantastic! I absolutely loved this video, but man I got kinda sad when you guys mentioned that the days of big engine, gas powered cars are coming to an end.
Awesome cars. How about a segment on affordable cars that might become collectables. My list: The 2002-05 Ford T-Bird, Chrysler Crossfire, Porsche Boxster, 2005 Ford Mustang,
![Here Are the Future Classics of the 2010s [Doug DeMuro + Alanis King]](http://i.ytimg.com/vi/_u2st20p1NM/mqdefault.jpg)
Doug calls this my “crappy drift car laptop”
That definitely sounds like something that somebody with a boring looking old man laptop would refer to yours as.
What is going on with the keyboard?!? Peak janky! Love it!
I’m seeing a laptop, a piece of cardboard or plywood and a wireless keyboard. There’s a lot going on there.
Yeah it even warns him in case there's Danger to Manifold
@@Gamer6628 it doesn't matter if you have a five year old Asus or a new Macbook, typing is typing. For those 64 words per minute or more, I'm free.
Seeing Doug in the same room as other people is always weird. Sometimes I forgot that he's a real human and not a strange Goblin man who lives under a car.
This needs to be the top comment 😂
LOL SO TRUE
I kinda liked goblin under car Doug 😢
😂😂 funny
Doug is the type of guy to put this comment on a T-shirt and wear it on the next video.
The fact this whole video was done in 1 take shows how well these guys work together
No kidding, I did a Bluefin Tuna workshop with a fellow fishing UA-camr and the video that came out was 45 minutes. We get along great and have done podcasts but there was plenty of jumpcuts and stuff he had to edit out whereas this just flowed incredibly well #goals
There are a few cuts
So nice of Doug to let them use his 1.2 million dollar cookie table throughout the filming of this video haha
Did he mention how much he paid? Maybe I'm forgetting
@@joshuathomas512 no I don’t think so! I just referenced how much a CGT is commonly going for on the market these days- I don’t know about the specifics of his car!
I swear I just wrote this very comment 🤣
Lol
They all love going to Doug's house because they are allowed some cookies!
100% agree on the new NSX. That car is INCREDIBLY underrated. I rode in one recently and it's truly an astonishing car, mixing exceptional handling with surprising ride comfort, blistering performance in a V6 plug-in hybrid, and excellent looks (particularly in red) that somehow blend in with the crowd anyway. The whole car is a marriage of opposites, and it's very much underappreaciated in the market.
I'm old enough to remember the original NSX was very underrated when it came out too - now it's an icon.
@@Beer_Dad1975is the old one turbo or na?
@@shiraishi1 NA.
would rather have first gen nsx looks better and it's not hybrid
they stopped selling nsx in 2022
I agree with the LC500. That car is absolutely beautiful. My neighbor had one, and it was awesome.
i am looking to buy this car used in about 2-3 years and I feel like I'm in danger when anyone speaks of it as a car that will be appreciated in the future, I cannot take even the potential increases in price 😩
@@2dan_ you’ll be fine
The ultimate collector car in 30 years will be the Mk7 GTI. Without a doubt.
LC500 is one of the all time beautiful cars and great sounding engines, especially the convertible. I think if they made a manual version as a swan song car it would skyrocket in value.
@@christianharris4800Probably close to 0% chance they’d make a manual for the LC. The car sells in such low numbers, no way they are gonna spend more on development.
The Lexus ISF is a great example of the late models fetching a massive premium. Just due to the incremental updates and low production volumes, the 2013/14 models fetch a 50-100% premium over the 2008 models, which is pretty wild to see.
I think in the same vein, the current IS500 is going to be huge as well. It’s the last 3 series competitor with a v8.
Gsf as well
there isn't a lexus isf there's the IS model line with the f sport but no ISF model
@@lucybaker7813 Considering I'm literally driving my ISF with a 5.0 V8 right now, I'm going to say you're very wrong.
Under the context that Doug isn't going anywhere, I'm actually appreciating the inclusion of Doug's friends and the Doug extended universe. The personalities really do play off each other well.
finally someone who doesn't diss kennan.
“Extended universe” is there a doug multiverse? Canon doug events?
Doug lore
There's a ton of forgotten lore. RIP "More" Doug.
@@stevep6317 rip 😔
You guys talk like the Rolls-Royce Spectre doesn’t exist. It’s doing extremely well in sales so far.
This format is the perfect way for all of you to build camera chemistry. Keep up the good work!
+1 to Doug's comment about the LC500 value being higher for the updated cars with the infotainment upgrades.
Also there are two new colors for 2024, Ultrasonic Blue Mica 2.0 and Copper Crest. So if you have a '24 in one of those colors, it will be a very unique car.
Put my order on a convertible in one of the new colors a couple of weeks ago 🙂
I love how Doug, correctly, went off on people making predictions about the car market. Then without missing a beat, followed it up with some self/group deprecating humor. Fantastic self awareness Doug!! Love this group!!
Whether we are talking about sports broadcasting or drinking beers with friends, three is such a magic number and this video has proven it to me. Moreover, a lot of fav cars are here!
I really liked the banter between the three of you. I really enjoyed this video. This felt like a podcast amongst friends which is very welcome.
Focus RS deserves a place as a future classic hot hatch. Has all the performance of the other ones mentioned and only came to America from 2016-2018.
Totally agree, I’m actually looking to get one within the next few years before prices jump. I’ve only heard good things from owners of these cars and finding a used one with lower miles that’s priced fair is easy, for now lol.
What about the known head gasket issues?
@@TheRenegade.You may be right but it’s a very, very location specific car. Driving one in Phoenix is a lot easier than driving one in Buffalo. It is borderline un-drivable in harsh weather climates with poor road conditions and I know this first hand.
@@axe2grind244 Not to sound dumb, but is there a reason it’s un-drivable when in harsh weather conditions? I’m guessing you’re referring to harsh winters because you mentioned Buffalo? I thought the AWD was very capable in snow but I might be mistaken. I’m in Texas so from what I’ve heard owners love their cars here lol. But we just deal with extreme heat and that’s about it.
@@obsoleteoptics resolved with a recall!
See this format with Doug and the gang is definitely something I enjoy it sounds like a conversation between friends and I almost feel like I am part of it because the comments are sparked off of the conversation. I may not like seeing anyone other than Doug in the review videos because that’s what I know and what I enjoy but this stuff is gold. It almost comes off like a podcast in a shorter format.
Ehh 3 people is a bit much. Dragging out each segment. Is she hosting the show or Doug 😅
i feel like the newest nsx is way underrated. i feel like they will eventually become rare
Along with the i8 Im guessing. Theyll get super low compared to price when new, people trash em away, the become rarer and cooler and will start to pickup.
God I hope the NSX does come down
This was very wholesome. Great chemistry between all 3 people.
The really weird thing about the new NSX, which I liked, is that it was both too late and too soon. If it had come out sooner it would have been more revolutionary or if they had waited it would be competing with the E-Ray and triple motor electrics like Plaid and Lucid Sapphire
It was like if Honda or Acura just said, it's now or never if we ever want to release the NSX
i think the E-ray should be fully electric why called it E-Ray if its not full electric like the mach e mustang and other full electric cars( leaf, mini E, fiat 500e)
This is my favorite doug video in a while! Great chat very insightful
I think the IS500 with its 5.0 NA V8 will be a cult classic that will hold its value incredibly well.
That's a no brainer. The ISF is very valuable.
I loved this analysis and lively conversation. I completely agree with all opinions given.
I think the best way to sum this episode up is with Rush's song Red Barchetta.
10:03 saw this exact Speciale Aperta at a cars and coffee event in Michigan almost 2 months ago. VIN matched up and everything. Car took my breath away, and what’s crazy is that I was one of the few people there who truly knew what it was and why it was so special.
He is correct on predicting that it will never happen again as far as the gas engine and manual transmission with BMW but I do predict a MASSIVE influx of entrepreneurs and small groups building something like that and continuing the line. The custom market for gas engines is off the charts these days.
Two cars that 100% should be in this list: Nissan Z and Alfa Romeo Giulia QV. Also Maserati MC20 might shoot in value cuz it amazing to drive and one of very last non plug-in hybrid supercars of the brand with such a cool racing racing heritage
QV definitely
Nissan z are to common to this day I hardly doubt it the Alfa QV that's a massive yes, beautiful car
@@baddas380 remember when old 180zx 240sx were common? Now it's damn hard to see and unmolested ones fetch 20k and up.
@@user-nifinei34jd9buy car for $20k, 30 years ago
Is now worth $20k
Also, inflation, so...
This is so much fun! I like the 3 of you talking cars together more than Doug alone or in pairs! This is the PERFECT Sunday show and could be way longer, not only personal lists, but talking car news, interesting facts, changes, markets, cars and bids coolest cars of the week, etc. Just please don't make it as a podcast. As a conversation between friends is WAY cooler!
The s2000 is going to continue to go up in value. One of very few high revving cars that is reliable. I'm guessing it'll be worth a small fortune in the future.
True! But this video is limited to cars that are available to buy today. Been quite a while since a new S2K could be purchased.
"in the future"
They've already skyrocketted in price
@@stevep6317 yeah but we're talking much much higher
@dotcom721same here - they were under 10k when I was looking years ago now with under 100k miles, and clean, they’re $25k and over for an AP1. That’s why I wouldn’t mind one with over 100k miles - it’s a Honda! Hoping they’ll stay around $15-$20k
How much do they cost on average right now? Are they worth buying?
This made me happy. I always wondered what it would be like to hang out with Doug.
Other hosts: here’s my one car.
Doug: I will claim all remaining cars
There was an interesting talking point about the end of the gasoline era making these cars more desirable in the future as EV’s take over the market. I’m curious if the auto industry/journalists are still predicting the march towards total EV production with the advancement of synthetic fuels on the horizon.
always love these types of videos especially with the new format
Last time I went on cars and bids there was like 10 cars and now there’s like 50 available 😮 congrats on growing the business so much !
I really like this format with all of you. The reviews when you’re both talking to the camera, feels different. I think that’s why Throttle House guys can talk to each other about a car in a review and it works - if that makes sense.
I appreciate the evolution regardless! 👍
I know Doug pointed out these last V8 sports cars, but I think the 14-15 Camaro Z/28 deserves special recognition. LS7 427, carbon ceramic brakes, A/C and radio was optional, no carpet in the trunk, first use of Multimatic DSSV dampers besides in a crazy concept car and F1. This Camaro is more special than the current ZL1 1LE. Only 3,500 produced in 2 years.
I don't think I've ever seen one in person to this day. Also, the fact that Chris Harris even owed one speaks volumes of how good they are.
We dont need more collectible cars, we need to promote the enjoyment of cars over trying to find the next money maker. Prioritizing getting money out of as many cars as possible is going to be what mostly kills off the car community.
Its going to be depressing to watch as owning cool cars be taken from normal middle class and young people and transfered to people who can just throw stupid money at them at the drop of a hat.
as long as cars exist, there will always be a new cool affordable car to mess with. Even if cars weren't affordable, then there's many other hobbies to enjoy. Cars (even EV after a decade of use) and roads and their maintenance will continue to heavily destroy the environment and general life satisfaction as urban planner push to make stuff only accessible by cars and not public transportation.
I think it's so cynical that people buy cars purely as a means of making money. I already own my dream car but have some bucket list cars like a Turbo MR2 and S2K. I feel like they're going to go up in value faster than I can bring up my income.
@@axeavier Glad to see car enthusiasts other than myself advocate for public transit. EVs are an ecological disaster (even aside from the power grid and mining issues) and I hope people eventually realize this.
@@axeavier no they dont, public transportation is for dummies, and ev's will never be fun, we will have big v8's and v12's forever. Public transportation restricts freedom, never advocate for it unless you want to be govt's baby
@@michaelfjmusic public transportation restricts freedom and is the worst possible thing to force people in, nobody wants it, only govt babies. It only benefits gov and money laundering industries.
This was a great format for you guys. Solid contributions 👌
The on screen chemistry between Doug and the new presenters is improving nicely, much more natural 👍
Doug & Alanis > Doug & Kenan
@@AdamG1983I think Kennan needs to find his niche of knowledge and know when to assert himself, without developing that skill he's going to struggle against his co-presenters, who in all fairness are quite outspoken
The E63 AMG is available for 2023 as a final model year run. They did bring it back!
Great video. I’d like to see less predictions about high end cars like Lambo. The cool predictions to me are ones like the Bronco and the Corolla GR. Both of these vehicles are affordable to most people. But good examples that last for 20 years likely will be worth decent money. I’d guess the GR86, Z, and Supra that remain low miles will be worth good money 15-20 years from now-we are seeing dealer markups on MSRP on all these as it stands.
Keep these videos coming!
Yeah like who is this video for? These 3 rich guys should have this discussion off camera. Pointless video for the rest of us
I think they missed the Lexus GX460, especially the limited edition in Nori Green Pearl color.. and its the last toyota v8 to be made
Doug you absolutely must buy the off road lambo. It's so up your alley it would be a waste for them to have made them if you do not get one.
Doug et al - FINALLY a forum, that is interesting and participatory by everyone, not just Doug. MORE PLEASE.
Definitely the new Bronco. Even with its problems, it's a huge hit here in the US.
I live in Buffalo and they’re legitimately everywhere.
And then people sell them quick too.
There are Dozens of the full sized used ones for sale here in the Raleigh NC area
3:46 Doug is right on this, at least with my C4 Corvette. people are really starting to love these things
The dream team. Keep up the good work, guys!
All overlooking the fact that we will never have enough rare earth minerals or charging infrastructure to go fully electric. I liken this to the uk government telling everyone in the early 2000s to go out and buy diesels, only to come back 20 years later and penalise everyone who bought one!
I caught myself thinking the GR86 might become collectible and hoping on it as an owner of one, but then I remembered mine will have such high miles by the time I'm done that it won't matter lol
Have you seen the sacrilege of them now having bs autonomous "safety" features starting for 24? The 22s and 23s will likely, down the line, be very desirable. I'm holding on to my 23 BRZ (that as our 3rd car won't have thaaaaat many miles lol).
Drive it! You will regret the money lost if it becomes collectible, but you will regret not enjoying it whether it does or does not.
That electric hummer; somehow don't think it will sell, but still a very big 'change of era' icon.
Doug’s the type of guy that says, “this is the last of the naturally aspirated…” about every naturally aspirated car.
If they are all releasing at the same time they all are
There's only a few big NA engine cars left in the market. He can only say that so few times, might enjoy saing that while he can.
Really love this format, almost like a podcast. I look forward to more, keep up the good work guys!
love this format, it’s def a great addition to the channel
She was in the lake in her bronco!? man what a silly goose, too cool
"It's tough to make predictions, especially about the future."
- Yogi Berra
I predict that my phone will be replaced before it reaches 10 years old.
Along with the Civic Type R I think the new Integra Type S will be desirable and collectable in the future too.
Should definitely do a part 2 to this topic
Feels like the late 60’s and early 70’s when it comes to cars. Economically too, it feels like similar time period all around.
All these cars will look amazing in 30 years because in the future, all the cars will look like slightly different bars of soap.
This is gonna be controversial, but I think in the future an unmodified, good condition Kia Stinger will be collectible car.
Taurus sho type cult car imo
I think the ct5v blackwing will be collectible
Only with the manual.
This is what the channel does best and it's so good now.
Absolutely love everything about this! Keep up the great content!!!
The banter in this video is top tier. Love your work
A buddy of mine bought a fully loaded 2019 C63s, and I think it's going to age really well off the fact they went from a hand built V8 to the electric 4 cylinder. It just sounds so nice.
nah dude. the 6.2 c63 AMG is the real deal which is going to increase in price
@@comedyman112 the v8 was the entire point of the car lmao
@@Eminetics so was the big ass 6.2
@@comedyman112the C63 Black Series will be even more desirable than the regular W204 C63. Still, any 6.2/6.3 AMG will be desirable, as well as any V12 model.
@@comedyman112 Yeah those NA engines are awesome, I think most the V8's in the smaller cars are going to be big hits.
If I wanted to buy a fun sports car, I would go ICE+Manual, but here in Europe we have a few long-legged electric city hot hatches that are a blast to drive, so I think I would pick that for a fun good-for-everything kind of car. I think golf gti like vehicles might be surprisingly easier to substitute than we think
I take back questioning Doug’s evolution of the content. Adding Keenan an Alanis are 100% legitimate and I love seeing them agree and contest Doug’s views in this video. I’m on team car dorks and the more on our team the better! Well done Doug
Sustainability of future modern classics would be a real challenge I suppose.
People said the same thing when fuel injection and ECUs were introduced. EV and Hybrid tech will become commonplace, and mechanics, tunners, and enthusiasts will learn how to work with it the same way they learned with every other major tech shift.
@@WatanabeNoTsuna.
I totally agree!
By the way, to easily find a guy able to fine tune a twin barrel Weber carb is becoming harder now.
Everything has its cycle as generations passes away.
Thank you for the exchange of thoughts
JP
@@WatanabeNoTsuna. Adding power to an ICE engine is easy. Add more fuel and air and you have more power. Upgrade parts as necessary. Adding power to an electric motor is practically impossible once you reach the limit of what the motor is designed for. You might be able to unlock a bit more power beyond what the manufacturer limited it to stock but beyond that it's physically limited by its internals. They're already designed for maximum efficiency at translating electricity into motion so it's not like you can upgrade the windings or magnets.
@@WatanabeNoTsuna. You're definitely not wrong, although batteries really don't take well to sitting not being used. So something like a collectible Ferrari that gets driven a few times a year will not need huge amounts of service where as an collectible EV that doesn't get much use will likely need a battery after a few years
Considering lithium ion batteries is not sustainable we are going to have issues. There are not enough mines at the moment. And then there’s the toxic nightmare at EOL. It’s being rushed and it won’t be good for the commoners.
Im totaly agree with you.The revolution we will see in the futur will be the same as the oil lamp vs electric bulb . Only the Rich continue to use oil . And With this change the gasoline car will appreciate and special one even more.
I love this! Are you gonna buy each car and do a top gear special?! 😁
Im suprised nobody mentioned the lexus is500. Naturally aspirated v8 in a luxury sedan that will last 50 years...unheard of
For me the Mustang dark horse has to be a remarkable time capsule that will fetch a pretty penny in a couple years not a lot of 8 cylinders running around and the Mustang is definitely a legendary one that will be missed.
I disagree. I think the styling went downhill and the interior looks nothing like a mustang plus the lack of any real physical controls. It will become dated by that. Plus the lack of aftermarket support and tuning will severely hurt it.
I also think the Honda E might become very collectible.
@@Blue_Flame_Raptor nicest looking mustang of the retro gen. Who cares about the interior? Should they have the 2005 interior in there?🙄
@stardogMLB I care about the interior in the 70k overpriced car. The 18-23 looks great, perfect blend of modern and classic. Sure the materials aren't the best but the 2024 isn't either, it lost all of its character and traded it for an iPad. The car was designed for 20 year old but is priced for a 50 year old
It’s just a slightly upgraded gt
Imagine having/owning an auction site and those same owners have the influential power to hype the cars that will be selling in that same aution site.
Very well thought out lists. Thanks for sharing your thoughts and predictions from all three of you. Cheers.
Love this format, its a great listen while im driving or have my headphones in doing work. Keep it up im all for it!
Great choice of the E63S! However, 2 corrections:
1. 2023 E63S is available in both wagon and sedan form as FINAL EDITION V8 TT. I am taking delivery of my wagon next week. The US is getting about 400 copies I think.
2. Next gen E63 power train has been announced already: straight 6 TT with a Hybrid.
How about the Audi RS6? Last V8 from Audi (they already said the next one will be electric).
@@alejandronasio7751 so, the RS6 performance is not for sale in the US, yet. Regular RS6 was a bit of a disappointment for me, personally. I like the way E63S handles and sounds a lot more that the RS6. As me again next year when the RS6 Performance comes to the US.
@@timmietz I daily an RS6, I'm stating that so you know that I'm a bit biased. I agree on that the RS6 could have been done a bit more aggressive. I have no idea why Audi, knowing already what their direct competition was doing went a few HP lower and a bit less noise. It's not like they couldn't, the URUS has the same engine and it has 657HP and it sounds amazing! But the handling, I think is better on the RS. I only drove the E63S a few times and to me the RS handles nicer with the 4-wheel steering. On the RS mode it's amazing and in auto or confort, it feels like an S-Class.
I agree with you that maybe the Audi performance might be the one to have, for now though, I'm tuning mine, new inlet, new exhaust and I got a killer ride! (no warranty though) LOL
BMW M cars won’t last long enough to be a collector car, they all self destruct by 100k miles
Thr Plymouth Road runner is already a collectible. Costs upwards of 200k.
My addition: the subaru wrx sti
Only if it’s completely stock. People destroy them just like Evos.
Best one yet with the new crew! Can't wait for the future.
Dealerships were the issue with the golf color choices i tried to order at a bunch of Dealerships. None would take a orderb
Kenneth is really starting to find his groove, great pick for a co host Doug!
The manual cars are missed more in the US because they were on autos for so long.
Yeah, standard trans is more fun. I bet if auto makers kept up on solid v6, standard transmission cars, people would buy them. The turbo 4-cylis are just not a good investment for long-term enthusiast enjoyment.
think the Camaro ZR1 1LE is the one to get now. love the channel, we are trying to do an Auction related channel...very hard to get the views even started.
This would make a great (audio) podcast leveraging chapter dividers and chapter art to show the slides you add to the video. Please consider making that!
Combustion engines might be a thing of the past but they're damn sure not going to be replaced by ev's
I’m surprised none of the three of them said the 2023 Audi R8 GT. It’s the end of the run for the R8 and it’s their top of the line R8. Also the end of Audi’s naturally aspirated V10.
Absolutely. Id put that at the top 3 cars id hope to be on the list.
An Aston Martin cygnet will be priceless
"New things get hate and as tinw goes on they get accepted " that defines how I feel about other hosts Doug, I really appreciate seeing Kennan and Alanis now :') ❤️ (I even feel dumb for disliking them in the first place 😶)
Also: I hope this becomes a future classic (But I don't think it will) the Toyota GR 86 it might very well be the end of the line for the 86 and even among the current sports cars it represents something that doesn't exist anymore (other than the MX-5) small, lightweight, reasonably powered cars that are full of feel 🥰❤️ (A.K.A. Just my cup of tea 🥰)
I don't mind Konan and Atlantis in these sit down videos
the question is : will you still find gas stations in 2050 ? and if yes , at WHAT PRICE ?
I wonder of there will be no gas station , what will happen to the land . Its contaminated with chemicals will it it be worth it. Or will energy companies invest converting there petrol stations into mass ev ports
They will all be converted
Rolls Royce has openly said they have been developing an electric car for years and it literally just started giving reviewers test rides in it.
Some other cars I feel will become valuable/collectible are the F-150 RAPTOR & RAPTOR-R, the Bronco Raptor, and the TRX. The combination of big engine supercharged power and big off-road trucks will make for amazing collectors cars in the future.
Unless those types of cars get banned for some reason... I don't think so. There will be another faster and better version and they will sell a bunch because that's where the market is
Nah, light trucks are not subjective to emission standards. Only big engines in cars will be gone. American will always find a way to put big engines in their trucks.
They won't be collected because there's too many of them around. Like millions in the US
Lucid’s biggest mistake was releasing a SEDAN in a market that is going insane for big SUV’s, crossovers and trucks
Since you brought up color, which is a issue that I have discussed for a long time, I'd be interested in hearing you discuss this more. I talked with a person who was a brand manager at Chrysler and asked why there are so many black, white and silver cars sold. He said that it was because those are the colors that people want. I countered with the idea that most people purchase their vehicles out of dealer stock, and black, white and silver vehicles are what dealers order, so that is what people purchase. Other than my first car that was purchased out of dealer stock in 1985, I have since always ordered my vehicles so that I can get them the way I want them, including an interesting color. My current Wrangler is Commando Green (a color people either love or hate). The previous Jeep was Cactus Green. I currently own a Plum Crazy purple Challenger, and we had a Toxic Orange Charger. We only had three black cars (I dislike black cars, but my wife likes them.)
Because it's safe. People buying new cars think about resale value. Most people don't want cars with vibrant color, they think it makes them easy target for car jack or getting pulled over, which may or may not be true.
12:42 Doug remember when you drove a white hellcat and you almost crashed it because you turned of traction control and it was raining 🌧️
im glad everyone is coming around to kennan and alanis, theyre both great additions to the channel
Doug, your comment on hated cars getting attention and being desired later is a good insight. In India, we had a car called the Nano. Everybody hated it brand new. The production stopped in 2018. Now a lot of people want one because it’s a tiny rear wheel rear engined car and the roads are getting jam packed.
The chemistry between these three is fantastic! I absolutely loved this video, but man I got kinda sad when you guys mentioned that the days of big engine, gas powered cars are coming to an end.
Awesome cars. How about a segment on affordable cars that might become collectables. My list: The 2002-05 Ford T-Bird, Chrysler Crossfire, Porsche Boxster, 2005 Ford Mustang,
New M2 looks amazing and I don’t like bimmers at all. Sorry but anything with fender flares and a 6 speed in 2023 is bad ass in my book.
I think the m2 styling will be far more iconic than the new m3 and m4. I think the blocky/Lego design will age well.
@@PcarNess Seeing one in person with that light blue color changed everything.
Doug, we're relying on you to give these monster ICE cars a proper sendoff! truly an end of an incredible era.
New 400Z, new Supra. With sticks, of course.