Pantheism, Panentheism, & the God of the Hebrew Bible!
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- Опубліковано 16 тра 2024
- Dr. Craig defines these views of God and explains why the are incompatible with the God of the Old Testament.
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Mike at InspiringPhilosohy has a great video on this. There are multiple types of panentheism.
This was really helpful, we don't hear too much about Pantheism and Panentheism. Thank you Dr. Craig. :)
There’s also a spectrum of believe in how panentheism would play out in the universe. Strong vs weak panentheism.
What even is “matter”? A good answer to that might pose a problem to panentheism. As things are right now, the idea of matter doesn’t pose a problem to an idealist view of panentheism.
Substantial revision at 10:24 on 18 May, 2024. 😆
Is the conjecture that "everything that exists is in God's mind" a part of panentheism?
As a panentheist myself, this was very logical and well-explained. Bravo.
Hebrew words like "ruah" and "basar" os very similar to Islamic arabic words like "ruh" (spirit) and "bashar" (material). Even though i am an indian muslim who dont know arabic but know certain terms so i feel so home to what wlc is saying. Thats very good.
Come to Christ.
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Never. Because Bible contains many mistakes and errors. Apart from erroneous verses, it's doctrines are also illogical and false like Trinity, atonement, ressurections.
@@munafghori4052 It's unfortunate you believe such falsehoods about the Word of God.
@@cmk5724 there is no falsehood in point. The point is Bible is false and there are proofs for it. Since I have debated alot but now I stop debating because I don't want to waste time. Better you look Zakir naik debate with William Campbell. See Adnan Rashid debates. You will know the truth. I already deeply absorb wlc materials but not convinced.
In the West, pantheism and panentheism isn't talked too much about, maybe here and there, but not like (say) atheism vs. theism. However, in the East, where my family are from, it's often assumed and often talked about too. So this is a helpful bit from Dr. Craig. Thanks, Dr. Craig!
InspiringPhilosophy has a great video on this topic, arguing in favour of (weak) panentheism
I used to watch his channel but found him to be very disingenuous and phony. I doubt he has anything worthwhile to say about pantheism (or panentheism for that matter)
Great Sabbath Day to all believers in the Body of Christ. I see another place in the Old Testament where the ownership and care of the "Earth" are described which adds to this segment. Psalm 24: 1-3. This passage does not mean that God is "in" material things. It means he is involved in the providence of all things which can only mean that it is evident that He would have to be personally involved in all matters and things to make such a claim. It would be lunacy for a mere mortal human to adhere to such an authoritive position.
i look forward to seeing the face of the Master Source !
Whoever wrote the first line sentence of Genesis 1:1 verse believed what they were writing at first obviously
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If God is seen as the source of all information, then the material universe can be a manifestation of divine information. This allows God to remain fundamentally immaterial while creating a material universe through informational processes. Jesus as the divine Word (Logos) through whom all things were made.
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The person who wrote Genesis 1:1 verse took and knew obviously what they were writing so either they were smart or stupid to have or not have believed it
he should become a mind deist, , all Gods are generated by the greater mind, our thoughts are being generated by this mind, we are unaware of it, if someone says a spiritual being is talking to them, its this mind
Jehovah
The creation is not the Creator!
Jesus lives ♥️ and is God 🙏🏻 Christ ✝️ and King 👑
And about Zarathustra?
@@GabrielMoura-qe3il Jesus is truth.
@@GabrielMoura-qe3il no, Jesus
@@JadDragon prove it
@@GabrielMoura-qe3il prove otherwise
Avenge the children Isreal of the midianites; afterwards you shall be gathered unto thy people.
craig is so intelligent
i think he is the best philosopher 😊
Wow you've clearly never studied philosophy
@@midlander4 haha 😂 ur fav atheists like sam harris dawkins also scared of craig
dont tell me to study philosophy
u go and do ur homework bro 🤣
@@midlander4 u r clearly jealous of him
As a pantheist myself, I consider Dr. Craig's description of pantheism to be slightly off the mark.
Yes, The Universe is God - this is the pantheistic conception of God. However, The Universe is not simply matter, it also includes all immaterial reality as well.
Universe cannot be God because God by definition has to be outside of creation.
Here's the definition
Pantheism is the belief that God and the universe are the same thing, or that everything is a god. The term comes from the Greek words pan, meaning "all", and theos, meaning "God". Pantheists believe that God is present throughout the world, and that the universe is an immanent deity that has existed since the beginning of time.
By that, you equate the creation , the universe , with God. Not possible. As God is timeless.
@@imago9059 "God by definition has to be outside of creation" ahem by whose definition? Yours?
@@imago9059 Why are you attempting to educate on what pantheism is? That would be like someone who is not Christian trying to educate a Christian on what Christianity is. You either failed to completely read or failed to understand my post so allow me to elucidate; the physical aspect of the world (what you call creation) is only part of The Universe. It is the immaterial aspect that is Divine, transcendent, and timeless.
@@imago9059 "Not possible" Based on what premise?
Imagine a person loses a leg in a tragic accident. It would not be impossible for that person to create a prosthetic leg to replace the leg they lost. That new prosthetic creation, once attached to the body of it's creator, would then become a part of themself. Thus it is entirely possible for a creation to be part of it's creator.
These guys think jesus was a fraud
Dr. Craig doesn't but his interlocutors do.
@@mugsofmirth8101 right that was the point
@@height5558 I understand your point but others might not be aware who you were referring to.
@@height5558 their Talmud corroborates your statement
@@mugsofmirth8101 This topic is Craig's greatest shortcoming.
I’ve held the belief that the Bible teaches panentheism for several years now. After watching this video I’m still not convinced it’s any other way, with all due respect. I’ll have to dig into the scripture presented in this video and study it. My panentheism is that God is everywhere and in everything, there is no where I can go to escape God, it is in God that I live and move and exist, and I believe that the highest heaven cannot contain God. To sum up, God is present everywhere at all times, there is no where where God is not, and yet God transcends the physical universe. So the entire universe is in God, and His presence is immanent all throughout the universe. To help understand this, think of when you’re dreaming, your entire dream universe is within your mind, your essence is everywhere in your dream world creating all that’s in it, all of the characters in your dream are essentially you, and yet you are separate and beyond all that exists in your dream world.
If God created the universe, and the universe IS God (panentheism), did God created Himself?
@@thiagoulart You’re mistaken. Panentheism is not the belief the universe is God, that’s _pantheism._ I don’t believe in Pantheism so you’re asking the wrong person.
@@NickSandt Greetings. As a pantheist myself, I appreciate the perspective you bring. In my understanding of panentheism however there is no meaningful distinction between pantheism and panentheism. This is mainly due to the fact that I do not hold the materialistic view that The Universe is nothing more than cold, lifeless matter. On a separate note, I am intrigued by your view that the Bible of Christianity teaches panentheism. Would you please cite a few verses from the Bible that support your view? I'm not here to challenge your view, just genuinely curious.
The people in your dream are still parts of your brain. We are unique minds. It does not work how you described.
@@JadDragon What you said is exactly what I described. Not sure why you thought I said something different.
The sons of God came in unto the daughters of men who bore men of renown in a time of giants
Yeah just make stuff up 😂
In my opinion this guy is completely wrong in his understanding of the infiniteness of God. God is not either quantitatively or qualitatively infinite and here is why.
God works in an infinite space. He works in an infinite time. Why? Because space and time are truly infinite and are independent of God.
That's right independent of God. This is why God can create a never ending number of universes or an neverending number of souls. It is because He has the space and time since they Infinitely are co-eternal with God.
The problem arises when people try to reason that all that exists is God and there is nothing outside of God. I do not hold to this idea.
Here is a thought experiment. Can God count to the end of infinity? The answer is NO because our definition is that infinity has no end. How do we know this? Answer: by counting numbers! Numbers have no end because a 1 can always be added to the largest number ever dreamed of and then another and then another into infinity.
So how could God be infinite if He can't count to its end? Therefore, He is not infinite. But the expanse of space could be and in this way God can infinitely create should He so choose.
I know this is only my opinion. But it is what I choose to believe and will continue to do so until God tells me different.
The spirit that returns to God in death, is NOT ALIVE. It is God's knowledge of the sinner soul, that be dead.
Gotta stick to polytheism like christianity
I am going to give you the solution to all the problems and with the information you will do what you decide. To end Islam and the war you have to ask for proof that the Quran was memorized. Trust me. It is infinitely important and urgent the matter. Was the Quran memorized or not? I don't believe the Quran was memorized. Why did you believe the Quran was memorized? Try to memorize the first page, in any language, to have a taste of what would be required in time and effort to memorize the rest of the book. Was the Quran memorized and Allah is the true God? So much is at stake. I am a psychologist and person of many talents, not a charlatan looking for attention. I want to have a serious debate with you with humanity listening because if I debate with you and nobody else is present you win the debate. I need to call again the program to debate again if God exists and atheism is false. Who, what or how is this God for the moment it doesn't matter. We agreed from nothing can not be created something. I only debate with people who understand reality is eternal because from nothing can not be created something. Something always existed. I think that something that always existed is God and atheism is false. I failed and I need to keep trying to succeed. The true God is Spinoza's God. Spinoza is difficult to understand because it is impossible to understand infinitude and eternity. God is impossible to understand because it created the universe after existing forever. It's a fact, it's logical, it's reality, it's rational. Either the universe is eternal or God is eternal. Either what has a beginning of existence is eternal or what created what has a beginning of existence is eternal. What makes sense? What is impossible and what is necessary? What do you want? I want to end religion and atheism with knowledge being rational. The truth is atheism is a logical fallacy that assumes God is the religious idea of the creator of the creation to conclude wrongly no creator exists because a particular idea of God doesn’t exist. Time is running out and is eternal. I want preferential treatment because i claim i have discovered the nature of God and other vital discoveries that are going unnoticed, censored and not understood, and people treat me like if i was a fool. Emergency. Thank you.
You want preferential treatment? Some Christian.