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If I could make a recommendation for the Arsenal videos? When talking about Ship/Vehicle compliments you should if possible display them with how many they would have carried. EX: in this video you mentioned the weapons carried by the Imperial class and it's fighter complement in the future I think it would be better to show the numbers on screen with an image of the weapon/fighter
Yes, that is my sentiment as well. Long have I waited for Star Trek to turn to Star Wars for future inspiration for ship designs. I really want to see a Federation Star Destroyer serving as the Flagship of Starfleet. What do you think -- would you welcome a Star Destroyer named Enterprise?
@@Robert_Douglass nope. The federation would never build such a ship. The Defiant is their idea of a warship. Not a slow lumbering easy destroyed carrier
In legends, the New Republic, GFFA, and Galactic Federation Triumvirate continued to use Star Destroyers and its various successor models for the next at least 150 years after the battle of Endor. They're too good of a ship to just abandon, especially in a galaxy that remains in chaos during the era of warlords, the Thrawn campaign, the Yuuzhan Vong war, and the Second Galactic Civil War. Of course, as you mentioned in your video "building your interstellar navy" the GFFA started calling them "battle carriers" for political reasons, avoiding the connotation that the Imperial Star Destroyer had. I love your videos, keep up the awesome work.
The mental image of renaming them is kinda funny XD. "Oh shit, It's a Star Destroyer! They plan to conquer us!" "What? that? Oh, no no no no....that's a Battle Carrier! see? totally different. Nothing to worry about."
Before Disney: Ships used even 150 years after construction if still useful After Disney: Whole republic fleet gets scrapped within few months for no reason
@@TheNynax I think the New Republic tried rebranding them as 'Star Defender' but it never caught on. That said, the New Republic Nebula and Endurance Class Star Defender/Destroyer are two of the most BEAUTIFUL Star Wars capitol ships I've seen.
@@michaelandreipalon359 Escort ships such as Arquitens, Carracks, Lancers or even Victories could have mitigated the ISD's weaknesses without changing its design to compromise forward firepower, but the Empire was so blinded by the ISD's size and might to recognize and prepare for its shortcomings.
Its a testament to ISD design that despite there being hundreds of spaceships in SW - It's ISD that is The symbol of the whole franchise and in wider culture of all that is geeky! All hail the Imperial Star Destroyer!
Even if, theoretically, the prequel trilogy came out first I personally think the ISD would be far more iconic than the Venator’s design because it has an overall simplistic silhouette that a child can draw it but as you look deeper into it the finer details appear and people can appreciate it
Disney canon really did the most iconic ship in pop-culture dirty ;_; In the old EU they remained in service for almost a century, considered as one of the most effective designs to ever be built
To each their own. To me, one of the few good things about the sequel trilogy was the design of the ISD's sucessor, the Resurgent-class Star Destroyer. As iconic as the ISD is, I personally just like the Resurgent's design more.
I just wished the first order felt more of a threat and their own thing while taking inspiration from the galactic empire rather than a copy and paste with different members and ships
Ever since i saw one of these fly overhead, full bore after a consulars' ship, I have loved the Imperial Star Destroyer. It is, by far and away, my favorite ship in all of sci-fi.. Now, it may not be the BEST of the BEST ever, whatever.. It is my favorite.
Yeah same, and the fact that the galactic empire doesn't even use them as the "rip and tear" capital ships as they were built to be, makes me disappointed
Not really, it was designed for rule through terror. It's generally thought that a Venator would be deadlier in a one vs one fight by letting their starfighters cripple the ISD's with the Venators finishing them off
@@whee38 I've never really bought that. The transition away from big carriers like the venator was due to the ineffectual ability of strikecraft at the time. Republic venators had to rely on their own guns far more then should have been necessary. The ISD is the natural end point for creating a ship capable of defeating anything that the republic or separatists could field (super ships don't really count.) Of course with the development of the revolutionary multi-role starfighter, the x-wing, the domination of big battleships ended almost as soon as it began.
@@papapalps2415 Dude you can destroy a whole Stardestoyer by hitting the bridge with a fighter. The Venator has a much much higher capacity so the ISD would be heavily damaged before even in engagement range XD
@@papapalps2415 I disagree, HMS Dreadnought wasn't a gigantic leap forward as you say - sure, it was step forward, but it was through combining already existing ideas like all big guns armament scheme, better protection and mobility, as well as dedicated fire control systems in one package. As for ISD, I agree, people like Spacedock with his "how to make ISD better", or "You can destroy it by just hitting the bridge" really annoy me, as in most cases have no idea about ships (especially warships) in general
The Imperial Star Destroyer, while not perfect, was one hell of a tool. It's a damn fine backbone capital ship, and fits well into Imperial doctrine, both in and out of battle.
why it was not perfect? As far as I see it was, of course the isd is a capital ship and cannot operate without tie fighters, interceptors, frigates and etc. but so do all other capital ships, this is why its a capital ships.
An imperial star destroyer is made out of 10.000 technical flaws, who just wait to make themself known. (Booster terric, spectre of the past, just in good english)
In the Legends continuity, one is captured by a smuggler and turned into a casino ship, the Errant Venture. She's also painted bright red to stand out from the Imperial Remnant/Warlord/New Republic Star Destroyers.
In Legends the Chimaera the flagship of both admiral Thrawn & Gilad Pellaeon survived the war & served the imperial remnant for decades afterward.. So it’s a safe bet that eventually it would be made into museum ship on the Imperial Capital of Bastion.. Can’t imagine a more notable ship for future imperials to fill them full of patriotism..
Most continued to serve for decades, in Legends its service lasted more than 60 years. The Imperial Star Destroyer was perhaps the most successful design in Star Wars history. There are some ships that survived a millennium such as the Invincible-class Dreadnought but only because of a complete disinterest in military advancement with almost no new designs being adopted and the almost total dissolution of a centralized military. The ISD survived as an active war vessel to be refit and brought up to standard through continuous conflict and combat. The ISD design was still used, though largely replaced by then, during the Sith-Imperial War and Second Imperial Civil War, over 150 years after the Battle of Yavin. It is almost certain several ISDs remained as museum pieces for the Fel Empire's reverence, symbols that were kept in the home fleet over Bastion, such as the Executrix, the first ISD developed with its first captain being Moff Tarkin, the earlier mentioned Chimaera, a flagship that had been captained by three different heads of the Imperial state and involved in more significant battles than perhaps any individual ship in Star Wars history, and likely there would be others though I'm not thinking of any surviving ones right now.
@@josesanchezrodriguez1783 Yes, it was still being used long after its introduction, and it was a highly successful design, but not as much as the Imperial Star Destroyer. Its mainline service and production lasted at least 60 years but the overall extended use goes into the 150+ years of service.
The one thing that SW media lacks is humanized stormtroopers. Like they were people too they had lives The Mandalorian showed this off in some places but I feel like they were always portrayed as programmed machines
I suspect that was on purpose: not for the sake of the real-life audience, but from an in-universe perspective. A uniform by design is meant to encourage conformity and group mentality; the less human that uniform makes the wearer appear, the more they disconnect themselves from their identity when wearing it. This is especially true of any design that conceals the face; at that point the person behind the mask can dissociate themselves completely from not just their sense of self, but the limits of their conscience that come with it, making them capable of acts of terrible violence and inhumanity that they might have questioned or resisted otherwise. I think it's exactly the sort of thing the Empire would do to its own troops.
Disney hates stormtroopers, they hate everything imperial. Dont expect any Imperials being more than stupid ass douches existing only for getting their asses kicked by the "good guys"
"Hey, guys, there's this dude Daniel wanting to talk to you. He's from some channel called 'Starport,' or something. Says the Institute should 'know its place...' Real talk, this is awesome!
Sadly, he has significantly slowed down his own channel, concentrating on his original universe. Good for him, sad for us followers of his channel, who cannot enjoy the content for which we originally followed him. He does the odd video now and then, but at a much reduced pace. Hopefully Arsenal can supply the demand for this type of content and fulfill the promise that SpaceDock tried, but never delivered.
@@thatguy3222 failure to deliver intended content. If you followed SpaceDock, you will note that he had plans similar to Arsenal and Profiles, but outside of the first episode and perhaps a few others, he never continued that series. As his attention was diverted to his own project, he could not continue his SpaceDock channel with regularity and so it's video releases are few and far between. Recently he did do a few episodes in short order, the Delta Flyer and one more in a short time frame, but his primary focus is on his own upcoming series as it should be. Again, not criticizing SpaceDock for his change in priorities, just pointing out that due to this, other initiatives had to necessarily fall by the wayside.
@@Keemperor40K oh ok thank you thought you were criticizing yeah but what you say is true and I agree hopefully arsenal can as you put fill in the gap being left behind
I really feel bad for the Disney ImpStars. Cast off and forgotten. In Star Wars Legends, the ISD carried on in service with her former enemies, the New Republic and later with the Galactic Alliance. A much better legacy to one of the most iconic starship classes in science fiction
Same with the Imperial Military. The old EU had the Empire fall in such a smart way, it fracturing the the New Republic slowing picking off Warlords, allying with other Warlords, etc... instead of the Empire suddenly being beaten in a stand up fight a year after Endor...
Militarily and tactically speaking, that makes sense. Why scrap perfectly good warships? Even the Empire put a few Republic- era Venerators to work in the early years as we saw at the end of Revenge of the Sith.
Y'all don't see how the scrapping and derelict Imp navy and military reflects the real world situation post ww2. The huge upkeep could not be maintained so they got scrapped. Asks where the mothball fleet ended up during the 50s and 60s... how many of the "great ships" and lesser extent other materials besides the 50 cal, m1911, and smaller munitions were carried over from the major conflicts? Imp stars weren't 'Disney-fied' ... they were 'Realitied'.. it's highly unlikely that they would've continued to serve effectively beyond the end of Jakku. It's like giving Nam Era fighting troops a Warspite type dreadnought instead of a missile cruiser.
In my star wars table top campaign there is a small imperial holdout in the frontier that has "Defiance" class space station that is basicly 12 of them rigged togeather with a Old mothballed luckerhulk sphere at its Center. Every other ISD has its engines removed and a loading dock/bay has been retrofitted in.
11:05 In the EU there is one ISD that was conquered and then converted into what is compared to a flying Las Vegas by a ex-smuggler as a retirement job. The Errant Venture was also the most recognizable ISD due to the fact that it's owner, Booster Terrik, painted it red.
Hopefully with the addition of a live action Grand Admiral Thrawn and with Jon Faveru directing we'll get just that. I'm on book two of the Thrawn book trilogy and it's amazing. He is incredibly competent at his job and is single handily beating the new republic with just a handful of star destroyers. Also using information gathering, well planned battle strategy, and tactically placed agents. He's somehow better at using the rebellion's tactics against the empire and now using them against the new republic.
@@spiffygonzales5160 yeesh get over yourself spiffy. Where did all that come from? Tell us how you really feel about living on the high road. What's wrong with having hope? And just so you can shove your opinion and assumptions up between your two brain cells I didn't go see last jedi or rise of Skywalker. Used free trials of Disney plus to watch mandalorian for free.
The angular wedge shape of the Star Destroyers is the single most prominent feature. This feature did great justice to the Empire's tendencies to favor an aggressive offense strategy allowing devastating single frontal salvos if positioned correctly after coming out of a lightspeed jump.
@@АгентБелка-ъ2ъ It is clear from an out-of-universe perspective that Imperial justice was a lie. They enslaved species simply for not being human, murdered billions of innocents, and in the end tried to destroy the galaxy because they couldn't take it with them.
ABSOLUTELY loved and enjoyed watching this one right here. DEFINITELY enjoyed watching the first episode of Arsenal. Really, REALLY looking forward towards this new series.
Great video, guys! If you're going to do a lot of vehicle spots for this series, I hope you eventually do the DeLorean time machine. Whether you do or not, keep up the good work.
With respect to the excellent work done by the Templin Institute, I'm genuinely surprised they haven't done an Arsenal episode on Lightsabers. I would very much love to hear you guys dig into the details of the variations, history and culture of the weapon.
I found this in my notification feed and I sat here completely silent like listening to the most important thing ever to be talked about. Thank you, here's a sub, looking forward for some more really good content!
What a fantastic video. The treatment of the subject has as much detail to do it justice. The narration is written very well and is a pleasure to listen to. And the overall style is great.
Venator soon please, should be interesting how you compare to isd considering it's more fighter focused. I think at some point the venator is supposed to have over 500 fighters/bombers, definitely enough to kill am isd.
I prefer the legends version, where many ISDs continued on in the New Republic navy. It makes little sense to dismantle perfectly operable ships just to build more ships from the parts.
You missed out on the fact that the class started out as a Republic design still in the experimental stages (only used in limited capacity within select task forces) at the end of the clone wars classified as the Imperator class star destroyer.
When you were talking about the Xyston, I think "Final Order" or "Sith Eternal" would've been more accurate than First Order. Probably nitpicky but just my opinion.
@@sammywhite5127 Because it's still lore and those movies have people who like them, one of those people being me lol. Also, Star Wars has always been full of "insane nonsense" but I understand where you're coming from.
@@owenparris7490 I mean it's fine to like them I'm just saying that they are shit, it's ok to like things that are shit but it's important to recognise that they are shit, I absolutely love "The Room" but I recognise that it's fucking terrible, but what I was getting at was why should Templin bother to get the details right if the people making the movie didn't bother to make them makes sense, also Star wars has not been full of "insane nonsense" before the sequels what Star wars had before the sequels was "fantasy elements"which was perfectly fine because Star wars is a fantasy set in space not a sci-fi whereas what the sequels have is a complete and total breakdown of any form of internal or external logic or consistency in every single aspect of the films, if you think about anything in the sequels for even a second the entire thing crumbles to dust, nothing makes sense
@@TheKingDain the Death Star could have multiple countries of people, I hope Luke didn't think too much about the amount of people he silenced at once!
As everything based in reality - worked superbly. Just like Bismarck, these are useless, resource consuming and absolutely frightening, imposing and great looking, iconic at the same time. Also, one that probably has best in history screen entry/reveal in all time in "New Hope".
Remember, then you have the Super Star Destroyer. The imperial and Super class WERE the flag ships and forward, err bases. They also did still use the Vendeta and Vigilence. Vader was usually on a Super one. Like the one that crashed into the Death Star.
So many people don't seem to realize that the design of a star destroyer allows the entire firepower of the ship to be focused on a single target. It is certainly capable of firing in numerous directions, however if it points it's nose at a target, it can open fire with it's full compliment of weapons, which in the true lore, legends, is very apparent. No other capital class ship was so effective at destroying other capital ships.
I wonder how would the galactic Civil War look like if the executor class storage destroyer worked alongside the first and second class imperial star, destroyers, and even the executor class star destroyers
More Arsenal Ideas! Star Trek - Romulan D'Deridex-class warbird [Marc's favorite, or so he has said], Federation Defiant-class battleship [that is what they call it, so...] Star Wars - Rebel X-Wing, Lightsabers HALO - Spartan Armor, Sangheili (Elite) Energy Swords, Promethean Constructs (soldiers, knights, crawlers, etc.) Stellaris Invicta - Mother of Exiles-class Juggernaut [AC], Sword of Terra-class Colossus [GTU] The Expanse - Power Armor (UN and MCRN) Mass Effect - Normandy SR-1 and/or Normandy SR-2 Homeworld - Kushan/Hiigaran Mothership [aka SPACE BANANA!]
Fun fact : The smallest Corpus Capitalship the Stanchion is about 3,5 Km long making it larger than a Imperial class Star destroyer but Smaller than a Grineer Galleon which is about 4,8 Km
I always find it funny how in the movies, the ships in the clones wares made much more practical sense than most of the imperial star destroyers. The ISD is still probably the single most influential ship design in all of sci-fi, but it's unfortunate how little sense it makes for space combat. Still love it and would never replace it for anything XD
@@papapalps2415 not exactly sure where did you get the raging hard on idea from, since if anything, my hard on is for the ISD. But yeah, imo the Venator and Lucrehulk embrace the role of a carrier far better (even though the turbo laser batteries on the Venator are as silly as on the ISD), while the munificent works well as a long range gunship. I do have a soft spot for the providence but it reminds me of an 18th century ship of the line rather than a good scifi design. However its small profile is rather good to see on a capital ship. The main issue with the ISD is that it needs to be too many scifi things at once while being more or less inspired by 20th century naval ships. Like the bridge for example. Why on earth does it need such a huge glaring weak point? At least the Resurgent managed to make to design more streamlined. As the video eluded to several times, the confrontations that the ISD was supposedly designed for rarely happened, which means that more often than not it found itself handicapped in the hit and run fighter engagements because even though the fighter complement was kinda high enough, the hanger design meant that they launched only a few at a time, or needed to way a bit to launch enough fighters. I'm not saying that prequel ships are perfect (far from it) but it seems at least to me that the role they were designed for is fulfilled well
@@darthcalanil5333 when terrorists have plot armour, their enemies are always dumb and impotent at everything they do... Hell, even believing that terrorists were gaining more support in later movies and moving in starfighters en-masse, Galactic Empire introduced ISD-2 which had ALL Laser(Anti-fighter) cannons removed. Genius move, Lucas/s.
I do like how the clone wars ships often are indeed the predecessors of the later ones. Like you can really see how the T-65 X-wing is Intel's attempt to combine the dogfighting ability, range and ease of use of the Z-95 with the firepower, armor and versatility of the Arc-170.
👍 At least a excellent comment NOT about the techs of ISD but what they are made for, how the are mean to be used to and also it logic place inside a sometime-illogical-universe. It's a very good strategic and historical view of the Star destroyers. Do not fear them for they are BIG, Fear them for what they represent : a mobile military base. -In terms of battle, I understand more why they are so under-armed and weak; It's not their role. -In terms of wars, they are a mobile fortress of operation NOT a battleship NOT a warship. Thks for casting all of these new lights.
Such a shame for such a great vessel to think in the end they likely end up as scrap or surplus forgotten. If only they were used by a decent government or leaders. Imagine what they could still accomplish. Secretly grabs about 12 of them. >:D For museum use I swear... Now to find and grab some victory's
I always found it strange that the New Republic chose to dismantle most of their captured ISDs. Yeah, they're symbols of the Empire and the overall terror that was imposed under their reign, but they were probably some of the most effective warships the galaxy had seen prior to the development of the Resurgence-class, especially if they were put into fleets with Mon Cal designs that could cover for their weaknesses.
I think it’s because the NR simply couldn’t afford a massive fleet of ISDs, given that the collapse of the Empire likely led to the largest economic crisis in galactic history due to the effects of the GCW and the continued runaway military spending of the GE after the end of the Clone Wars.
Can't think of a perfect way to launch Arsenal than the defining symbol of the Empire. We really need to see more Arsenal videos on Star Wars - the Death Star, X-Wing vs TIE Fighter, Millennium Falcon, etc. Meanwhile, we're just waiting for the inevitable updated video on the First Order.
Narrated by Disney canon continuity but still with not so screen accurate stats from the 80's WEG sourcebooks? Are they still official? I really liked that in legends, New Republic used captured ISDs without issues since the begining up to trasition into Galactic Alliance. They just painted red stripes on the hull and off to front lines you go, with the most of original crew and even TIEs if servicable. :P
Couple nitpicks: 1)The ISD was designed DURING the Clone Wars, as a generalist complement for the more specialized existing Star Destroyer designs and potentially a flagship, based on the Tector hull that PRECEDED it (being first deployed in the early days of the war). 2)The Victory-class was a specialist design for support in planetary invasion first deployed halfway during the war. The Victory II came out in the last months as a ship of the line, but was found inadequate once the Empire came into power.
I still think it was a major mistep to not have the ISD-1 fleet on Exegol be refitted, modernized ISD-1's instead of a whole new ship. Would explain how the empire fell, and this massive fleet.
Im glad the original loadout of 60 turbolasers and 60 ion cannons carried over. Not that we ever actually SAW them up close and personal of course, just those big broadsiders...I always figured they were scattered across the hull in individual turrets. But the designs for them make them seem enormous...ahh, inconsitencies.
Hey, Templin Institute. This an awesome video & I look forward to more in this series. I know this is a strech, but can you do videos of Soul Blade & Soul Calibur from the Soul Calibur games? I think that many viewers would like that as well.
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All good and fun, but where is ISD Chimera??
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If I could make a recommendation for the Arsenal videos? When talking about Ship/Vehicle compliments you should if possible display them with how many they would have carried. EX: in this video you mentioned the weapons carried by the Imperial class and it's fighter complement in the future I think it would be better to show the numbers on screen with an image of the weapon/fighter
You had me untill you started going into the non canon disney lore
40K vehicles & warships, Starcraft units, Warframe railjack, etc. Soo many to choose from...
Star Destroyers are right up there for me as an iconic ship design in sci-fi as any Starfleet ship,the Serenity etc.
Yes, that is my sentiment as well. Long have I waited for Star Trek to turn to Star Wars for future inspiration for ship designs. I really want to see a Federation Star Destroyer serving as the Flagship of Starfleet. What do you think -- would you welcome a Star Destroyer named Enterprise?
It is my favourite sci fi ship design. I know realistically it would be flawed as hell. But that dagger shape and bridge just do it for me, idk y.
@@Robert_Douglass nope. The federation would never build such a ship. The Defiant is their idea of a warship. Not a slow lumbering easy destroyed carrier
@@martindevon3204 Yeah they wouldnt, they wiuld be to busy bragging about how realistic their sci fi universe is.
Who wouldn’t want one. 😎
In legends, the New Republic, GFFA, and Galactic Federation Triumvirate continued to use Star Destroyers and its various successor models for the next at least 150 years after the battle of Endor. They're too good of a ship to just abandon, especially in a galaxy that remains in chaos during the era of warlords, the Thrawn campaign, the Yuuzhan Vong war, and the Second Galactic Civil War. Of course, as you mentioned in your video "building your interstellar navy" the GFFA started calling them "battle carriers" for political reasons, avoiding the connotation that the Imperial Star Destroyer had. I love your videos, keep up the awesome work.
The mental image of renaming them is kinda funny XD. "Oh shit, It's a Star Destroyer! They plan to conquer us!" "What? that? Oh, no no no no....that's a Battle Carrier! see? totally different. Nothing to worry about."
Before Disney: Ships used even 150 years after construction if still useful
After Disney: Whole republic fleet gets scrapped within few months for no reason
@Snake Plisken I meant the republic fleet that was used in TCW. Partly brand new Venator class ships immediantly scrapped by the Empire.
I also assume they solved the insane manpower requirements.
@@TheNynax I think the New Republic tried rebranding them as 'Star Defender' but it never caught on. That said, the New Republic Nebula and Endurance Class Star Defender/Destroyer are two of the most BEAUTIFUL Star Wars capitol ships I've seen.
"This is an Imperial Star Destroyer. All vital equipment is shielded. Even twenty bombs will do nothing." -- PRELATE VERGE
Ion Torpedoes:Hold our tubes
@@michaelandreipalon359 Escort ships such as Arquitens, Carracks, Lancers or even Victories could have mitigated the ISD's weaknesses without changing its design to compromise forward firepower, but the Empire was so blinded by the ISD's size and might to recognize and prepare for its shortcomings.
@@MistahFox And it was heavily exploited by the rebel scum...
None of which is accurate in any of the movies or novels. Yay for bad writing.
Random dipshit inside a snubfighter aiming his puny fighter laser cannons at an ISD’s “sensor domes”: Hold my beer.
Its a testament to ISD design that despite there being hundreds of spaceships in SW - It's ISD that is The symbol of the whole franchise and in wider culture of all that is geeky!
All hail the Imperial Star Destroyer!
stormtrooper helmet, and tie fighter too I’d say
i personally prefer the Anaconda from elite dangerous, but i do agree.
The Imperial II is better.
Even if, theoretically, the prequel trilogy came out first I personally think the ISD would be far more iconic than the Venator’s design because it has an overall simplistic silhouette that a child can draw it but as you look deeper into it the finer details appear and people can appreciate it
*laughs in Falcon*
The second ship to make its appearance in star wars. After the Corellain corvette
Disney canon really did the most iconic ship in pop-culture dirty ;_; In the old EU they remained in service for almost a century, considered as one of the most effective designs to ever be built
To each their own. To me, one of the few good things about the sequel trilogy was the design of the ISD's sucessor, the Resurgent-class Star Destroyer. As iconic as the ISD is, I personally just like the Resurgent's design more.
That is one reason why i love the old EU ^^
@@Timjer92 Yeah why use a ship with so many flaws when you can just create a new one that is much stronger and without those flaws?
@@orbaitv5991, Finn and Poe literally used the ship’s own hull as cover from its armament.
I just wished the first order felt more of a threat and their own thing while taking inspiration from the galactic empire rather than a copy and paste with different members and ships
Ever since i saw one of these fly overhead, full bore after a consulars' ship, I have loved the Imperial Star Destroyer. It is, by far and away, my favorite ship in all of sci-fi.. Now, it may not be the BEST of the BEST ever, whatever.. It is my favorite.
Yeah same, and the fact that the galactic empire doesn't even use them as the "rip and tear" capital ships as they were built to be, makes me disappointed
I GOT TO HERE AS FAST AS I COULD AFTER THE announcement
Me too
@@jakebeetle5957 me three
I've come to make an announcement!
There are three things that make the Galactic Empire Great is Darth Vader, Legions of Stormtroopers, and a fleet of Imperial Class Star Destroyers.
Don't forget Mass destruction weapons
@@kraker0279that too brother
*THE FORCE:* "Tempting fate again, Jimmy Bois?"
Yet none can stand against the might of the God Emperor and his most holy angels of death!
@@Prophetofthe8thLegion Xeelee Sequence: "Did someone mentioned *DEATH?"*
Like the HMS Dreadnaught, the ISD changed space warfare the moment the first was launched, invaliding all other ships of the line.
Not really, it was designed for rule through terror. It's generally thought that a Venator would be deadlier in a one vs one fight by letting their starfighters cripple the ISD's with the Venators finishing them off
@@whee38 I've never really bought that. The transition away from big carriers like the venator was due to the ineffectual ability of strikecraft at the time. Republic venators had to rely on their own guns far more then should have been necessary. The ISD is the natural end point for creating a ship capable of defeating anything that the republic or separatists could field (super ships don't really count.)
Of course with the development of the revolutionary multi-role starfighter, the x-wing, the domination of big battleships ended almost as soon as it began.
@@papapalps2415 Dude you can destroy a whole Stardestoyer by hitting the bridge with a fighter. The Venator has a much much higher capacity so the ISD would be heavily damaged before even in engagement range XD
@@papapalps2415 I disagree, HMS Dreadnought wasn't a gigantic leap forward as you say - sure, it was step forward, but it was through combining already existing ideas like all big guns armament scheme, better protection and mobility, as well as dedicated fire control systems in one package.
As for ISD, I agree, people like Spacedock with his "how to make ISD better", or "You can destroy it by just hitting the bridge" really annoy me, as in most cases have no idea about ships (especially warships) in general
The Katana fleet says hi. Dated as hell, still relevant.
The Imperial Star Destroyer, while not perfect, was one hell of a tool. It's a damn fine backbone capital ship, and fits well into Imperial doctrine, both in and out of battle.
why it was not perfect? As far as I see it was, of course the isd is a capital ship and cannot operate without tie fighters, interceptors, frigates and etc. but so do all other capital ships, this is why its a capital ships.
An imperial star destroyer is made out of 10.000 technical flaws, who just wait to make themself known. (Booster terric, spectre of the past, just in good english)
It was too big. It had as many weapon platforms as a venator, a ship x10 smaller.
@@haha-lj5sq Lol no. I dont see a Venator with Eight Octuple Barbette Very Heavy Turbolaser batteries.
And Imperial Tarkin doctrin is old . imperial class Star destroyer is too logistic heavy
Yay someone gave a big shout out to the often forgotten Victory Class Star Destroyer - the long forgotten forbearer of the ISD itself
I wonder if there are any Imperial Star Destroyer Museum Ships like the USS Texes.
In the Legends continuity, one is captured by a smuggler and turned into a casino ship, the Errant Venture. She's also painted bright red to stand out from the Imperial Remnant/Warlord/New Republic Star Destroyers.
In Legends the Chimaera the flagship of both admiral Thrawn & Gilad Pellaeon survived the war & served the imperial remnant for decades afterward.. So it’s a safe bet that eventually it would be made into museum ship on the Imperial Capital of Bastion.. Can’t imagine a more notable ship for future imperials to fill them full of patriotism..
Most continued to serve for decades, in Legends its service lasted more than 60 years. The Imperial Star Destroyer was perhaps the most successful design in Star Wars history. There are some ships that survived a millennium such as the Invincible-class Dreadnought but only because of a complete disinterest in military advancement with almost no new designs being adopted and the almost total dissolution of a centralized military. The ISD survived as an active war vessel to be refit and brought up to standard through continuous conflict and combat. The ISD design was still used, though largely replaced by then, during the Sith-Imperial War and Second Imperial Civil War, over 150 years after the Battle of Yavin.
It is almost certain several ISDs remained as museum pieces for the Fel Empire's reverence, symbols that were kept in the home fleet over Bastion, such as the Executrix, the first ISD developed with its first captain being Moff Tarkin, the earlier mentioned Chimaera, a flagship that had been captained by three different heads of the Imperial state and involved in more significant battles than perhaps any individual ship in Star Wars history, and likely there would be others though I'm not thinking of any surviving ones right now.
@@pubcle What about the Dreadnaught-Class cruisers? I belive they were still being used 90 years after they were introduced.
@@josesanchezrodriguez1783 Yes, it was still being used long after its introduction, and it was a highly successful design, but not as much as the Imperial Star Destroyer. Its mainline service and production lasted at least 60 years but the overall extended use goes into the 150+ years of service.
Petition for a run down of the Arsenal Bird from Ace Combat 7
@@michaelandreipalon359 both, both is good.
@@leonardusrakapradayan2253 pretty much any superweapons in the series.
Stonehenge!
Gründer industries!
Well done Templin. Long live the Empire.
The one thing that SW media lacks is humanized stormtroopers. Like they were people too they had lives The Mandalorian showed this off in some places but I feel like they were always portrayed as programmed machines
A lot of books both in legends and canon potray them properly.
I suspect that was on purpose: not for the sake of the real-life audience, but from an in-universe perspective. A uniform by design is meant to encourage conformity and group mentality; the less human that uniform makes the wearer appear, the more they disconnect themselves from their identity when wearing it. This is especially true of any design that conceals the face; at that point the person behind the mask can dissociate themselves completely from not just their sense of self, but the limits of their conscience that come with it, making them capable of acts of terrible violence and inhumanity that they might have questioned or resisted otherwise. I think it's exactly the sort of thing the Empire would do to its own troops.
One part of me agrees with you and another likes the simplicity of having 2 dimensional 'bad guys'.
Disney hates stormtroopers, they hate everything imperial. Dont expect any Imperials being more than stupid ass douches existing only for getting their asses kicked by the "good guys"
Bullet Magnets.... Sry, Blaster , er ... Um. Yea, Bullet Magnets, Lol
"Hey, guys, there's this dude Daniel wanting to talk to you. He's from some channel called 'Starport,' or something. Says the Institute should 'know its place...'
Real talk, this is awesome!
Sadly, he has significantly slowed down his own channel, concentrating on his original universe.
Good for him, sad for us followers of his channel, who cannot enjoy the content for which we originally followed him.
He does the odd video now and then, but at a much reduced pace.
Hopefully Arsenal can supply the demand for this type of content and fulfill the promise that SpaceDock tried, but never delivered.
@@Keemperor40K how did spacedock fail in your opinion ?
@@thatguy3222 failure to deliver intended content.
If you followed SpaceDock, you will note that he had plans similar to Arsenal and Profiles, but outside of the first episode and perhaps a few others, he never continued that series.
As his attention was diverted to his own project, he could not continue his SpaceDock channel with regularity and so it's video releases are few and far between.
Recently he did do a few episodes in short order, the Delta Flyer and one more in a short time frame, but his primary focus is on his own upcoming series as it should be.
Again, not criticizing SpaceDock for his change in priorities, just pointing out that due to this, other initiatives had to necessarily fall by the wayside.
@@Keemperor40K oh ok thank you thought you were criticizing yeah but what you say is true and I agree hopefully arsenal can as you put fill in the gap being left behind
@@thatguy3222 I'm curious, what do you guys mean by "Arsenal"?
I love your current narrator voice, guys. It's so imposing yet satisfying to listen to. Every Templin video is like an ASMR experience or something.
Templin Institute meets Spacedock? Love it!
My thoughts exactly
In Legends, Lando Calrissian bought a disarmed Star Destroyer, painted it red, and turned it into a hotel and casino resort.
Lmfao that’s pretty cool tbh
It was Booster Terrik who bought the Star Destroyer, not Lando.
As far as I know he did not rly buy it. The star destroyer surrendered to him
I really feel bad for the Disney ImpStars. Cast off and forgotten. In Star Wars Legends, the ISD carried on in service with her former enemies, the New Republic and later with the Galactic Alliance. A much better legacy to one of the most iconic starship classes in science fiction
Same with the Imperial Military. The old EU had the Empire fall in such a smart way, it fracturing the the New Republic slowing picking off Warlords, allying with other Warlords, etc... instead of the Empire suddenly being beaten in a stand up fight a year after Endor...
Militarily and tactically speaking, that makes sense. Why scrap perfectly good warships? Even the Empire put a few Republic- era Venerators to work in the early years as we saw at the end of Revenge of the Sith.
Y'all don't see how the scrapping and derelict Imp navy and military reflects the real world situation post ww2. The huge upkeep could not be maintained so they got scrapped. Asks where the mothball fleet ended up during the 50s and 60s... how many of the "great ships" and lesser extent other materials besides the 50 cal, m1911, and smaller munitions were carried over from the major conflicts? Imp stars weren't 'Disney-fied' ... they were 'Realitied'.. it's highly unlikely that they would've continued to serve effectively beyond the end of Jakku. It's like giving Nam Era fighting troops a Warspite type dreadnought instead of a missile cruiser.
Just an iconic symbol of the genre, I'm surprised it took you this long to cover it!
In my star wars table top campaign there is a small imperial holdout in the frontier that has "Defiance" class space station that is basicly 12 of them rigged togeather with a Old mothballed luckerhulk sphere at its Center. Every other ISD has its engines removed and a loading dock/bay has been retrofitted in.
11:05 In the EU there is one ISD that was conquered and then converted into what is compared to a flying Las Vegas by a ex-smuggler as a retirement job. The Errant Venture was also the most recognizable ISD due to the fact that it's owner, Booster Terrik, painted it red.
Loved this.
"hums the Imperial march"
I'd like to see a pro-imperial series or a movie where they're not shown as incompetent idiots.
Yes I agree so sick of those rebel terrorists keep getting billion to one longshot victories like taking out 2 ISDs with a space dingy
Hopefully with the addition of a live action Grand Admiral Thrawn and with Jon Faveru directing we'll get just that. I'm on book two of the Thrawn book trilogy and it's amazing. He is incredibly competent at his job and is single handily beating the new republic with just a handful of star destroyers. Also using information gathering, well planned battle strategy, and tactically placed agents. He's somehow better at using the rebellion's tactics against the empire and now using them against the new republic.
The Star Wars: Squadrons campaign is probably the closest thing to that.
@@spiffygonzales5160 yeesh get over yourself spiffy. Where did all that come from? Tell us how you really feel about living on the high road. What's wrong with having hope? And just so you can shove your opinion and assumptions up between your two brain cells I didn't go see last jedi or rise of Skywalker. Used free trials of Disney plus to watch mandalorian for free.
I mean, they were pretty good in Rogue One.
The angular wedge shape of the Star Destroyers is the single most prominent feature. This feature did great justice to the Empire's tendencies to favor an aggressive offense strategy allowing devastating single frontal salvos if positioned correctly after coming out of a lightspeed jump.
Star Destroyers: The Empire's Pride and Strength!
It always been my dream to command and ride an Imperial Star Destroyer
Same af, that uniform, the ship design, that bridge.
@@thehammer4607 the order, the prosperity, the Justice... Yeah mine too.
@@АгентБелка-ъ2ъ It is clear from an out-of-universe perspective that Imperial justice was a lie. They enslaved species simply for not being human, murdered billions of innocents, and in the end tried to destroy the galaxy because they couldn't take it with them.
ABSOLUTELY loved and enjoyed watching this one right here.
DEFINITELY enjoyed watching the first episode of Arsenal.
Really, REALLY looking forward towards this new series.
Great video, guys! If you're going to do a lot of vehicle spots for this series, I hope you eventually do the DeLorean time machine. Whether you do or not, keep up the good work.
With respect to the excellent work done by the Templin Institute, I'm genuinely surprised they haven't done an Arsenal episode on Lightsabers. I would very much love to hear you guys dig into the details of the variations, history and culture of the weapon.
Now that I see an image of a Stargate in your intro, I eagerly await your episode covering it!
I love the orange and black color theme.
I am continually awed by the script writing and voice acting of this channel. Keep being awesome.
The crew sizes given in cannon for Imperial ships are absurdly large.
I found this in my notification feed and I sat here completely silent like listening to the most important thing ever to be talked about. Thank you, here's a sub, looking forward for some more really good content!
I really wanna see how accurate this is, and whether they use canon or legends
Probably compare both
legends videos have "legends" in the title
@@TemplinInstitute This is big brain time
@@AwesomeSheep48 fancy seeing you here! (Dr Theo be me.)
@@TemplinInstitute but then shouldn't the new canon videos have "new canon" in the title
What a fantastic video. The treatment of the subject has as much detail to do it justice. The narration is written very well and is a pleasure to listen to. And the overall style is great.
4:09 - Prow mounted Navigational Deflector? What is this, _Star Trek?_
Thank you, I quite enjoyed this exposition :D
Venator soon please, should be interesting how you compare to isd considering it's more fighter focused. I think at some point the venator is supposed to have over 500 fighters/bombers, definitely enough to kill am isd.
I prefer the legends version, where many ISDs continued on in the New Republic navy. It makes little sense to dismantle perfectly operable ships just to build more ships from the parts.
For the empire!
for the Republic!
For the separatists! (Runs away quickly)
@@LAV-III ISB open up!
You missed out on the fact that the class started out as a Republic design still in the experimental stages (only used in limited capacity within select task forces) at the end of the clone wars classified as the Imperator class star destroyer.
Amazing work! Loved your video!
When you were talking about the Xyston, I think "Final Order" or "Sith Eternal" would've been more accurate than First Order. Probably nitpicky but just my opinion.
Technically they were different factions.
@@AAhmou true but also technically everything that happens in those 3 movies is insane stupid nonsense so why bother being specific
@@sammywhite5127 Because it's still lore and those movies have people who like them, one of those people being me lol. Also, Star Wars has always been full of "insane nonsense" but I understand where you're coming from.
@@AAhmou True, true.
@@owenparris7490 I mean it's fine to like them I'm just saying that they are shit, it's ok to like things that are shit but it's important to recognise that they are shit, I absolutely love "The Room" but I recognise that it's fucking terrible, but what I was getting at was why should Templin bother to get the details right if the people making the movie didn't bother to make them makes sense, also Star wars has not been full of "insane nonsense" before the sequels what Star wars had before the sequels was "fantasy elements"which was perfectly fine because Star wars is a fantasy set in space not a sci-fi whereas what the sequels have is a complete and total breakdown of any form of internal or external logic or consistency in every single aspect of the films, if you think about anything in the sequels for even a second the entire thing crumbles to dust, nothing makes sense
Glory to the Galactic Empire !!!
The Klingon Empire has more honor than your imperial navy!
@@josipbroztito6763 your species is uncapable of ruling itself
*Looks at the Imperial Remnant in LEGENDS*
Yeah...all that glory is for something alright.
The Star Destroyer has a much larger crew than I would've expected, for the crew you quoted its like a mini city
Imagine that and remember the Death Star was larger with more people.
That's the equivalent of snuffing out a large economic center in a flash.
@@TheKingDain the Death Star could have multiple countries of people, I hope Luke didn't think too much about the amount of people he silenced at once!
@@suddenshotty the scene at the cockpit from the Mandalorian where a former Death Star crewmember confronts Cara Dune is on point.
Who needs a car when you can drive the whole city?
The Star Destroyer is the definitive space warship. Nothing will ever be more iconic.
As everything based in reality - worked superbly. Just like Bismarck, these are useless, resource consuming and absolutely frightening, imposing and great looking, iconic at the same time. Also, one that probably has best in history screen entry/reveal in all time in "New Hope".
Remember, then you have the Super Star Destroyer. The imperial and Super class WERE the flag ships and forward, err bases. They also did still use the Vendeta and Vigilence. Vader was usually on a Super one. Like the one that crashed into the Death Star.
I love watching anything I can with Star Destroyers in it.
When your TIE squadron is fighting for its life, there is no more beautiful sight than one of these babies dropping out of hyperspace.
Ayyy, look at this, cool new stuff
So many people don't seem to realize that the design of a star destroyer allows the entire firepower of the ship to be focused on a single target. It is certainly capable of firing in numerous directions, however if it points it's nose at a target, it can open fire with it's full compliment of weapons, which in the true lore, legends, is very apparent. No other capital class ship was so effective at destroying other capital ships.
I wonder how would the galactic Civil War look like if the executor class storage destroyer worked alongside the first and second class imperial star, destroyers, and even the executor class star destroyers
More Arsenal Ideas!
Star Trek - Romulan D'Deridex-class warbird [Marc's favorite, or so he has said], Federation Defiant-class battleship [that is what they call it, so...]
Star Wars - Rebel X-Wing, Lightsabers
HALO - Spartan Armor, Sangheili (Elite) Energy Swords, Promethean Constructs (soldiers, knights, crawlers, etc.)
Stellaris Invicta - Mother of Exiles-class Juggernaut [AC], Sword of Terra-class Colossus [GTU]
The Expanse - Power Armor (UN and MCRN)
Mass Effect - Normandy SR-1 and/or Normandy SR-2
Homeworld - Kushan/Hiigaran Mothership [aka SPACE BANANA!]
Fun fact : The smallest Corpus Capitalship the Stanchion is about 3,5 Km long making it larger than a Imperial class Star destroyer but Smaller than a Grineer Galleon which is about 4,8 Km
@Reploid REVO Space mom left us
@Reploid REVO will she ever comeback i miss her
I always find it funny how in the movies, the ships in the clones wares made much more practical sense than most of the imperial star destroyers.
The ISD is still probably the single most influential ship design in all of sci-fi, but it's unfortunate how little sense it makes for space combat. Still love it and would never replace it for anything XD
@@papapalps2415 not exactly sure where did you get the raging hard on idea from, since if anything, my hard on is for the ISD.
But yeah, imo the Venator and Lucrehulk embrace the role of a carrier far better (even though the turbo laser batteries on the Venator are as silly as on the ISD), while the munificent works well as a long range gunship. I do have a soft spot for the providence but it reminds me of an 18th century ship of the line rather than a good scifi design. However its small profile is rather good to see on a capital ship. The main issue with the ISD is that it needs to be too many scifi things at once while being more or less inspired by 20th century naval ships. Like the bridge for example. Why on earth does it need such a huge glaring weak point? At least the Resurgent managed to make to design more streamlined.
As the video eluded to several times, the confrontations that the ISD was supposedly designed for rarely happened, which means that more often than not it found itself handicapped in the hit and run fighter engagements because even though the fighter complement was kinda high enough, the hanger design meant that they launched only a few at a time, or needed to way a bit to launch enough fighters.
I'm not saying that prequel ships are perfect (far from it) but it seems at least to me that the role they were designed for is fulfilled well
@@darthcalanil5333 when terrorists have plot armour, their enemies are always dumb and impotent at everything they do...
Hell, even believing that terrorists were gaining more support in later movies and moving in starfighters en-masse, Galactic Empire introduced ISD-2 which had ALL Laser(Anti-fighter) cannons removed. Genius move, Lucas/s.
yo dudes the empire is pretty chill maybe you would like join it or something
I do like how the clone wars ships often are indeed the predecessors of the later ones. Like you can really see how the T-65 X-wing is Intel's attempt to combine the dogfighting ability, range and ease of use of the Z-95 with the firepower, armor and versatility of the Arc-170.
The Imperial Class 2 Star Destroyer - The Imp Deuce. A true expression of Imperial power and might.
2:31 so the Victory Cruisers were basically imperial equivalents to the Venator in terms of niche and performance?
👍 At least a excellent comment NOT about the techs of ISD but what they are made for, how the are mean to be used to and also it logic place inside a sometime-illogical-universe. It's a very good strategic and historical view of the Star destroyers. Do not fear them for they are BIG, Fear them for what they represent : a mobile military base.
-In terms of battle, I understand more why they are so under-armed and weak; It's not their role.
-In terms of wars, they are a mobile fortress of operation NOT a battleship NOT a warship.
Thks for casting all of these new lights.
My favorite Star Wars spaceship with all its compliments. It looks like a great shark swimming the sea of space.
I always wanted more videos like this ever since Freespace 2's cutscene showcasing the GTVA Colossus.
Such a shame for such a great vessel to think in the end they likely end up as scrap or surplus forgotten. If only they were used by a decent government or leaders. Imagine what they could still accomplish.
Secretly grabs about 12 of them. >:D
For museum use I swear...
Now to find and grab some victory's
Great episode for the episode
I thoroughly enjoyed this video!
Honestly, what better place to start than an icon?
You should honestly take a look at the Honorverse. As a sci-fi setting it has some of the more interesting ships and weapons.
I rly hope you will also cover a Ship of the Imperial Navy of Warhammer 40k Like the Emperor Class for example.
My go to weapon in Empire At War, in any mod.
Please do the Dreadnaught class at some point, the most stubborn warship in Star Wars.
Nice! Top quality video as ever. You should do TIE fighter segment in the future :)
I always found it strange that the New Republic chose to dismantle most of their captured ISDs. Yeah, they're symbols of the Empire and the overall terror that was imposed under their reign, but they were probably some of the most effective warships the galaxy had seen prior to the development of the Resurgence-class, especially if they were put into fleets with Mon Cal designs that could cover for their weaknesses.
I think it’s because the NR simply couldn’t afford a massive fleet of ISDs, given that the collapse of the Empire likely led to the largest economic crisis in galactic history due to the effects of the GCW and the continued runaway military spending of the GE after the end of the Clone Wars.
Funny, the video becomes just static at around 11:27. Curious.
Can you make something from the LOGH verse? Especially the OVA, gotta love those alliance antennas!
Totally OT, but I just noticed that the Templin Institute sells rank and titles in a similar fashion to many of Earth's old empires...
You had me at Star Destroyer 😍
As ever some of the best work iv seen. ❤❤😄
Can't think of a perfect way to launch Arsenal than the defining symbol of the Empire. We really need to see more Arsenal videos on Star Wars - the Death Star, X-Wing vs TIE Fighter, Millennium Falcon, etc.
Meanwhile, we're just waiting for the inevitable updated video on the First Order.
Seems crazy that all these ship were designed and built in mass over only 18-20 years!
So how's season 2 of Stellaris Invicta going?
Oh my god what bullshit, you can't just set up such awesome shit and bail on it. Fuckin' LIBERATE EARTH
typical lazy youtubers
Narrated by Disney canon continuity but still with not so screen accurate stats from the 80's WEG sourcebooks? Are they still official?
I really liked that in legends, New Republic used captured ISDs without issues since the begining up to trasition into Galactic Alliance. They just painted red stripes on the hull and off to front lines you go, with the most of original crew and even TIEs if servicable. :P
Awesome work...keep it up
Couple nitpicks:
1)The ISD was designed DURING the Clone Wars, as a generalist complement for the more specialized existing Star Destroyer designs and potentially a flagship, based on the Tector hull that PRECEDED it (being first deployed in the early days of the war).
2)The Victory-class was a specialist design for support in planetary invasion first deployed halfway during the war. The Victory II came out in the last months as a ship of the line, but was found inadequate once the Empire came into power.
I still think it was a major mistep to not have the ISD-1 fleet on Exegol be refitted, modernized ISD-1's instead of a whole new ship. Would explain how the empire fell, and this massive fleet.
Looking forward to this series. Hoping they do something from Transformers or even Robotech
They could do the Ark and the Nemesis from Transformers
7:55
I would also think one of the biggest is actually a reduction in cost.
Im glad the original loadout of 60 turbolasers and 60 ion cannons carried over. Not that we ever actually SAW them up close and personal of course, just those big broadsiders...I always figured they were scattered across the hull in individual turrets.
But the designs for them make them seem enormous...ahh, inconsitencies.
Also present at the Battle of Bilbringi and Sluis Van. But that history is all but forgotten.
I’ve been a fan of this ship for literally 40 years.👌😳
Good new direction.
Awesome video!
Hey, Templin Institute. This an awesome video & I look forward to more in this series. I know this is a strech, but can you do videos of Soul Blade & Soul Calibur from the Soul Calibur games? I think that many viewers would like that as well.
Loving fleet week!!