C208 CARAVAN Circling approach at CYYR Goose Bay, Canada.
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- Опубліковано 19 вер 2024
- This video shows a circling approach, in essence an instrument approach to one runway to get the airport in sight and then “circling” - kind of a traffic pattern -to the opposite runway or to another runway at this airport.
The reasons can be different: sometimes there is no approach available for the landing runway or the minimums for the straight in approach to the runway are not adequate for the weather conditions.
In my case it was different: I started the approach to runway 08 with a slight tailwind (to save times and track miles flown), during the final phases of the approach, the wind exceeded the limits. So I requested a circling approach to the opposite runway. Safety is ALWAYS first.
Phraseology: instead of saying “right” or “left” you refer to the direction pf the circling, in this case “circle North to runway 26”.
Your comments and questions are always welcome.
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Capt. Guido
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This is how you tell a great pilot like Guido from merely a good one. The inputs just kept on coming, from the unusual approach pattern to bad weather to tight banking, and he just managed it in one flow. Master!
Thank you.
I am not a master, I am just a well trained pilot.
The point I want to make with this video is that the simulator training often does not cover "full" circling approaches, sometimes only a series of 45 degree turns.
I a jet at low altitude. (the circling minimal) it is easy to loos speed control and a stall at low altitude is not recoverable, at least not in a jet.
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Capt. Guido
Circle to land is probably the most dangerous approach, as you probably know. Great job
I could not agree more!
In a Caravan unser this weather conditions certainly not a problem.
In a Lear Jet at night, with weather at circling minimums - it is risky.
In the US, recently a Lear 35 on a medevac flight crashed during circle. The pilots are not properly trained in the sim.
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@@GuidoWarnecke yes, at Gillespie. So sad!
It’s easy to watch Mr. Warnecke’s videos purely for their entertainment value. For me, it’s like playing a video game with all the digital displays and flashing lights while watching a travelogue. He hops from one aircraft type to another and applies the same skill level and technique in each aircraft type as if he had flown that type all his life. How does he remain current and qualified in so many types? Student pilots should watch Mr. Warnecke’s videos as teaching moments to see how flying should be done. I hope that everyone appreciates the craftmanship. I am reminded of the words of my piano teacher, “Watch. This is how it’s done right.”
Thank you for your kind words.
I’m just another, well trained pilot.
And as every pilot I make mistakes, on every flight.
Our task as pilots is the minimize errors and risks, and try to avoid repeating the same error.
I also wanted to show decision making: the tail wind component on runway 08 increased to an unsafe value on final approach, so it’s a circle to land on the other runway. Even if runway 08 is very long and you can land 10 times on it.
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Capt. Guido
I can't explain it, but these videos make me very happy.
Well...that is much better than making you unhappy...
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@@GuidoWarnecke 🙂👍
I feel the same!
I sure love the sound of those props. Four engine Dash-7's flew from my local airport, and the sound of those props was soo cool.
The Dash -7 is a cool airplane. I seldom see them operating anymore.
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Capt. Guido
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@@GuidoWarnecke I "Flew" one once on a training flight. From jump to left seat. Just 2 minutes. Too cool.
Really learn a lot from watching these flights. Wish I had the skill and competence to be half of this level. True professional and thank you for sharing your flights.
You can tell what an accomplished pilot Guido is by the way he is so smooth on the controls. These videos are an excellent advertisement for future customers.
Thank you very much for your kind words Dave.
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Capt. Guido
Capt. Guido is a true master of his craft!
Thank you - but you are grossly exaggerating…
I’m well trained and have a lot of experience on C208’s. That does not allow me to do unsafe things.
Every flight is a new one with new risks and the possibility to kill yourself or others.
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Always very humble! That is soo noteworthy Kaptein ❤❤❤
Thank you for posting, when I hear your Prop on the ground, if I close my eyes I can smell the burnt Jet A1 :-)
Good sounds, almost like music from the engine. Good smells almost like perfume from Jet fuel.
Some people might be right when they think we pilots are a bit “abnormal”…
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Capt. Guido
Very cool ..thanks for the upload.
Caravans aplenty used by FedEx feeders throughout Florida and the Bahamas.
You are very welcome Marc.
Pilots who rock for the feeders to a tough job...and a lot of night hours.
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Capt. Guido
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I continue to enjoy these practical, plain English lessons. Thank you for the video uploader. ☺️💚
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Hi! Ah, I thought I already subscribed because I regularly get notified. But I just subscribed now. Yes, I always use the term "Uploader" 😁, even though I know it's you, the delightful pilot in these great videos. More positive comments to come. Thank you.
Much appreciated - thank you!@@nyceyes
Airspeed and bank angle is everything in these scenarios. Lovely video, really enjoyed it.
You are absolutely correct Dave!
Loss of control at low altitude is probably not recoverable.
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Capt. Guido
They are so easy in the simulator . But no so in real life, excellent job Captain
Sim training should be improved in this regard.
Easy to loose speed control in a jet. And all that at low height over the ground (circling minimums).
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Capt. Guido
Captain, you're the only man I get excited to see. I've learned alot from you. I feel your passion for aviation.
Thank you!
Aviation is not. Job you can do well without passion.
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Capt. Guido
As usual, a great video from a great pilot. Thank you for your time. Best regards.
You are very welcome Daniel!
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Fantastic, as always! Not the weather I prefer for flying but I'm just a hobbyist 😊
The weather was n to particular bad, just a shower moving toward the airport.
The wind had shifted and the normal landing runway 08 would have an unsafe tail wind.
Safety is ALWYS first.
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Capt. Guido
Oh I can say, Guido, you are my idol.
Thank you - I am just another well trained pilot...
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Capt. Guido
Another educational and professional outing. Thanks, Guido.
Thank you!
I’m glad you enjoyed it. Don’t forget the “entertainment purposes” also :-)
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Capt. Guido
Thank you for a wonderful flight down memory lane. As a sixteen year old in the summer of 1964, my non-stop return Aer Lingus flight to the States from Ireland was interrupted by a diversion to Goose Bay for mechanical reasons. While we waited for a maintenance crew to repair an engine on the 707, the “stewardesses” provided a visual treat to several ground-bound military below the rear door. The outside temperature must have risen several degrees because the ground crew had shed their parkas by the time we were cleared to leave. I can tell you that international relations were cemented that day between Canada and Eire.
Quite Interesting!
Goose Bay is still a diversion airport.
Once I had a sad experience as a passenger. On a Qatar Airways flight from Doha to JFK one passenger fell ill, crew diverted to Goose while first aid was given on board but pax died basically when we touched down.
After the deceased passenger was offloaded and the widow left the aircraft via provisional stairs, we continued the flight.
That’s part of aviation too.
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Capt. Guido
you gotta love that beta mode on a wet runway ! Very smooth all the way
Thank you!
BETA brings safety on wet and contaminated runways.
The salesman of brake pads don’t like it :-)
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Capt. Guido
Thanks as always for taking your valuable time to make these awesome examples of expert airmanship😊
Only my pleasure!
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that reflective runway was something else
Looks nice and also helps with "smooth" landings, ad the aircraft will hydroplane on touch down.,
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Capt. Guido
Here we are again, with an excelent performance and video from Capt. Guido.
Saludos desde México, good landings Capt. Guido 🙋
Thank you - muchas gracias!
Greetings to México & Happy Landings,
Capt. Guido
The master at work - nice job sir. (Landing lights looked good).
Thank you Chris!
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Capt. Guido
smooth like butter!! Awesome captain!
Thank you.
A wet runway makes „smooth“ landing easy as the aircraft is hydroplaning upon touch down.
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Capt. Guido
I love these videos, these are my goals in expertise and execution as I become a CFII
Thank you!
Best of luck for your aviation career.
Please keep me posted.
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Guido always great videos. Hope to see you back at Meacham. Stay safe 👍
Thank you!
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Awesome as always Captain, thanks for sharing those wonderful videos!
You are very welcome, Mohamed.
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Nice, Captain. Smooth as always. Take care.
Thank you Walter!
You fly safe too.
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Capt. Guido
So great to watch, thank you Capt Guido!
Thank you !
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Simply perfect master...
Thank you!
there os no "perfection" in flight. We all make mistakes and we can only aim for the "perfect" flight.
Aviation is a constant learning process and a constant checking process. Optimize your procedures, use checklists. If errors occur analyze them, share them with other and try to avoid them next time. That makes flying interesting and challenging at the same time.
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Excellent Captain how forever, God take care of him
Thank you Max.
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Wow. Thank you Captain. Well done.
You are very welcome!
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This morning I landed in KEF and saw on FlightRadar24 that a Caravan had just departed for Wick… remembering this recent video in Goose Bay, I was sure it was you!
Can’t believe I could have actually met you 😅
The aviation world is a very small one...
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Capt. Guido
Excellent work.
That's a long runway.
Thank you.
Even on a long runway, I considered 16kts tailwind not acceptable.
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11000 ft
nice one Guido , interesting. Looked like very wet runway as well !
Thank you!
A shower just went through before. Braking not a problem with the Cessna caravan with propeller reverse.
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always a great video thanks Guido. best wishes NZ
Thank you Dave!
Greetings to NZ (really far away…) and Happy Landings,
Capt. Guido
Great circling !
Thank you.
It is just about control of speed and bank angle.
The sm training is not adequate for this and we had several accidents.
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Very nice Captain 🙂
Thank you !
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Fantastic - Dankie Kaptein!!! Love the MAP at the end, please do that more, if I may ask?
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you really Goosed here there bud! nice landing mein Herr
Thank you - vielen Dank.
Goose is our North Atlantic crossing g airport. Always very friendly people, sometimes very bad weather. This was a good day.
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Wow, what a landing 😂❤
Thank you!
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Always have the notifications on for your videos 😊 hope you are well Captain!
Well done!
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Fantastic like ever !!!! Have a great flight Capt Guido.
Well done !
Thank you Dave.
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Wow! You make it look so easy!!
It is easy...
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Excellent job. I only have made a few circling approaches and I really felt uncomfortable. They are easy in the simulator. Not so in real life. Excellent 3:28
Thank you John.
As you certainly know, we had several accidents during circling approach, also at night.
The sim training is often not realistic enough and only a few standard circling approaches are approved. I am sure you know them all, Memphis and JFK.
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no panic, no problem, excellent video as usual
Thank you!
Panic is never good in flight...
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Thanks for sharing, great approach.
You re very welcome!
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How many different aircraft type certifications do you have to fiery all of these planes? It would be a very educational video for you to explain all the prep that goes into long flight with a plane that doesn't normally have that ability. You explain things so well, I believe it would do well on UA-cam.
Thanks again and happy flying,
Brian
Thank you Brian for your suggestion. I will work that into a future video.
The “flying” of different airplanes is not the issue, it’s more the challenge of different systems, procedures and avionics.
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The sound of the PT6 in beta 👌
…is always very nice and gives safety after touch down, especially on wet runways.
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Nice
Thank you Todd.
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nice
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If you look up precision in the dictionary it just says "Guido Warnecke".
A gross exaggeration Jonathan - but thank you!
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Hi Captain, I have been busy, but it is always rewarding to see your videos. I have seen videos of accidents when pilots were not able to do the Circling approaches. Of course it is easier to do this at "small" airplanes, but when are Jets or Airlines, a difficult increase.
So just a question: of the 3/4/5 (?), which is the more important:
1) keeping the "parallel runway" at sight?
2) the timing of the circle initiation (how many miles before the reference runway)?
3) speed?
4) heading for circle initiation ?
5) ?
I am not a pilot, just a simflyer, so not sure if things above make sense.
Always very good landings. Thks
Hi Luis,
the circling is a critical maneuver. What is the main reason for a circling approach? In most cases, there is only one instrument approach available but for example the wind is as such that you need to land on the opposite runway. Luckily, now with GPS approaches getting ore and more common, you have approaches to ALL runways. Remember: an ILS requires very expensive installation in the ground. GPS is only satellites, nothing to install.
To your questions:
1) you have to keep the landing runway and the airport in sight at all times. When I did my sigle pilot jet rating, had to do a right hand circling. Why? When you sit in the left seat, it is more difficult to look out of the right window and keep the runway in sight.
If a circling is to the right, depends on the situation at the airport, where the obstacles are, cities, other parts of the airport. Left is preferred, but it can be right too.
2) Timing a distance: google details about circling approaches. The distance of protected airspace around the airport for circling approaches is limited and well defined. Only a couple of miles. Remember: you will be VERY LOW during the circling and obstacles can be close!
The distance to the airport when you start the circling depends also on the visibility. If the visibility is low and you cannot see the airport, then you cannot start the circling!
3) The speed is also precisely described in the circling approach. Google details. The principle: do not fly to slow to stall the aircraft in the turns. Do not fly too fast to make your turning radius too big and get into a too great distance from the airport. Typically Vref +30 knots is a good and safe circling speed.
4) The initial heading is around 45 degrees. You do not want to do less, because you want to get into a position parallel to the runway. You do not want to fly more than 45 degrees to get too far away from the airport and loose the airport out of sight.
It is advisable to fly a circling approach on autopilot, especially when single pilot. Fly in HDG heading mode for directional control.
Keep the autopilot on until you have extended the flaps full for landing. Many aircraft have the tendency to climb if you extend flaps. So it can happen (if you are not on autopilot and do not have full attention) that the aircraft climbs back into the clouds while you extend the flaps. You loose sight of the runway - and the circling is over... !
You cannot just descent again to get back below the clouds.
If you lose sight of the runway, you continue a climbing turn towards the airport and fly the missed approach procedure of the original runway you did the "normal" approach.
I hope that gives more clarification.
Which sim do you fly Luis?
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Capt. Guido
@@GuidoWarnecke , thks a lot for your quite extensive and interesting answer. I learnt a lot.with it. The left seat difficulty is quite interesting. And of course GPS instead ILS. I made a comment about GPS at a comment in another video you did.
As I am developing a free App to help less experienced simflyers to keep situational awareness (it is mainly a Maps based App, but I also get Data from the aircraft to issue some alerts, and also using charts when they are available), I fly with the 3 simulators: Flight Simulator 2020, X-Plane and P3D. I integrate the three at my app.
But most of the times I fly MSFS 2020. The aircraft, I fly more are the Kodiak, the Cessna Caravan (I have two G1000 panels that improve a lot the way we fly), the Airbus A320 and the Boeing 737.
Thks one again for your patience, and I will google more as you suggested.
What I always enjoy is the evidence of being well ahead of the aircraft, with smooth considered control inputs and great situation awareness. You're very modest Sir, this is more than good training.
Do you subscribe to the Defined Minimum Maneuvering Speed (DMMS) idea for circuit work? It's a concept more typical in airline flying, and championed on YT by Dan Gryder in his "Probable Cause" series.
Thank you Hank.
Speed is an important consideration when flying low and slow, which is in essence what a circuit is. Why is it important? Recovery from a stall/spin at low altitude is almost impossible. And we train stall recovery only from a safe altitude, which is not the “real” thing.
What Dan does is a good thing: to make you aware of safe speeds. Not too fast and not too slow. On final approach, typically light aircraft are too fast and touch down halfway down the runway, in turn to final they are sometimes to slow for the bank angle especially if the pilot pulls back on the controls to maintain altitude. Deadly consequences, spin/stall close to the ground.
While we fly jets to the knot on speed, in light aircraft you can get a bit more relaxed. As a rule of thumb: maneuvering speed in turns 1.6x the stall speed and on final 1.3 times the stall speed. Not much faster, not much slower.
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@@GuidoWarnecke Thanks Guido, I'm a long time follower. Linking Dans video on DMMS here ua-cam.com/video/GeMNGdgN7ns/v-deo.html
I'm primarily a sailplane pilot now, and our application of this philosophy for approch speed is "safe speed" near the ground at 1.5 x Vs + 1/2 observed wind speed. This gives us the DMMS scenario with energy for wind gradient transition in the last 100' on approach.
Thanks again Captain. Another informative video. Would you turn on the inertial separator if you were descending and approaching in heavy rain?
You are very welcome!
In a reverse flow engine like the PT6, the engine is quire protected. The rain must be really hard to call for the separator.
If in doubt, get to out.
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Capt. Guido
Nice one. Where was the plane headed?
Thank you.
It was a long ferry flight from Peru to Indonesia.
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great video: The first breakout from the approach 08 to the left : what is the standard in terms off how many seconds and how many degrees to the side ?
You have to stay in the protected airspace for circling. For details Google the topic. Quite complex. In essence: only start the turn when you have the airport in sight and make sure you keep it at all times in sight. Turn right or left as specified in the approach chart. If there are mountains on one side, almost certain it would prohibit circling to that side.
A 30-45deg break off is a good start, adjust for wind. Good practice is to fly the approach on autopilot on NAV mode, set the heading bug the the restored break off heading and then when it’s time hit the HDG mode on the autopilot. You want to fly this in the autopilot in bad weather, because you need to look out, contrail airspeed and bank angle. That all while VERY close to the ground. Careful when setting full flaps. Most of the aircraft start to balloon up (climb) and in arguably weather you may end up in the clouds. If that happens immediately start a missed approach with a climbing turn towards the runway and then sequence yourself in the published missed approach procedure for the original runway before you started the break off. For safety you can also ask ATV for help and request radar vectors from them. They will always help you - safety goes before perfection of “by the books procedures”. Important is that you remain in CJ Teil of the aircraft and vertical and lateral obstacle clearance is assured at all times.
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Capt. Guido
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Thank you for your videos captain. I've been asking you a question for a long time. With your airplane curriculum, which one is the best for you? In other words, what is the best plane you have flown to date?
Hi Joaquim,
that is really a difficult question.
The simple answer would be: the aircraft I am currently flying is always my favorite.
But as you can imagine, in bad weather you are better off in a pressurized twin engine aircraft like the King air or a Citation Jet.
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Guido - You look like you always have a written log of some sort on your kneeboard. What do you use?
Hi Matthew,
I use a condensed check list, based on the manufacturers checklist.
I write only the challenge, not the response. Example: on the landing checklist "LIGHTS" mean of course lights ON not OFF.
Self explanatory.
My experience is that a lot of pilots do not use a checklist, when there is no instructor on board.
And you will forget things. For sure. It can be small stuff like flying around with the landing lights all day or bigger things like forgetting to lower the landing gear.
Use a check list!
Happy Landings,
Capt. Guido
Is that flash on the left side of the screen lightning? 1:51.
Possibly it is.
One should keep distance from the kind of showers, turbulence and wind shear are waiting.
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Capt. Guido
Did you dodge any CF-18s while there?
None of them there…
It used to be a jungle gym for the air forces of NATO, practicing low flights at high speed.
I hear the German barracks had the best beer supply (flown in with transport aircraft from Germany).
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@@GuidoWarnecke I've been subscribed for years! I enjoy your videos
CFB Goose Bay is still an RCAF forward operating base. There were CF-18s making lots of noise when I was there then end of June last year.
@@MarkRose1337thank you for the subscription Mark.
Military fighter jets make so much noise we are not used to anymore. I do frequent fuel stops at Djibouti and the French Air Force does parallel take offs on the Mairage fighter jets. The noise (music if you ask me…) is huge!
JB Smoove has got nothing on you!!
I apologize, but I do not get your comment...
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the approach is flown better than charted 🫡😁
Thanks, visibility was good - so an easy one.
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