Honesty I hate to be that one guy, but I wish the sport would just grow a pair of balls and just increase the horsepower on the superspeedways. Cuz honestly it's pretty disappointing when you are waiting for a super speedway race where the cars are supposed to be zipping around like its no tomorrow..only to have an even worse 510 package because the sport is too scared of a catch fence crash that happened over 30 years ago
@@crazypnut9260 They got scared of the fence crash Bobby Allison had, but then the resulting package opened their eyes to the mayhem of pack racing. So they just kept doing it, no matter how many people got hurt. It hasn't been about safety since 1988. NASCAR knows it can safely pull off derestricted superspeedway races where the cars spread out and there are few wrecks, but they won't do it because they love gimmicks. Packs are the ultimate gimmick, which is why they've been chasing that on intermediates for the past 3 years.
@@mitchell-wallisforce7859 am I the only one that feels like putting PJ1 down on every track in the corners is super gimmicky and corny as well? I hate it.
@@rdlangston13 I think everyone's grown tired of PJ1 at this point. It's because the cars couldn't race each other. Same reason they brought in the stages crap
I always knew that the reasoning for lower horsepower wasn't mainly for new OEMs but for engine reliability, the 900hp motor were usually limited to a single race before rebuilds and lowering it somewhat allowed them to last at least 2 races which was preharps wise in a sports with declining revenues.
Normally, this knind of engines like to run better in their unrestricted way, the years of 900HP since the introduction of EFI, I've seen less engine blowouts than the past few seasons with the dreadful 550HP package...
If you freeze the engine design and only allow for reliability upgrades then that solves much of the problem. So would a hard RPM limit. The flat tappet cams and lifters were the biggest part of the problem and NASCAR mandated roller cam bearings and lifters for the 750 era. Those 2 things would have made the unrestricted engines last a lot longer so your claim still doesnt fit.
670HP isn't some random number. It's roughly the same HP layout as the Xfinity Series. NASCAR took by far the most popular racing style, and brought it to Cup for NextGen. This is a big win.
The aero is completely different, as is the tire behavior with the new wheel and tire profile. Same horsepower does not necessarily equal same performance.
@@14stockfan Agreed. It is totally different. No matter the aero differences, they shouldn't be wide-open, or unable to pass because they're all running the same speed with his HP. That's been the #1 complaint with the last era of Gen 6, and this solves it.
The leader had .4s lead in 1 lap wtf are you talking about??? Ah yea the 2nd row was side by side but who the fuck cares when after 3 laps theyre stuck in dirty air lmfao
7:49 The answer is: lower the car to the ground as much as you can, but without running the risk of stalling the rear diffuser (aka not enough airflow under the car). Also, the cars will have to be stiffer to minimize the aero sensitivity to ride height changes on bumps, cause again that affects the diffuser as you said. I think that this will revolutionise car setups on road courses too.
lets not forget nascar engines in the late 90s-early 00s were making about 670 horsepower. aero was obviously less complicated than it is now but i hope this is the start of something
Some years ago I got bashed on r/NASCAR for proposing a multipurpose roval/oval single chassis thing to the point I even got banned. r/NASCAR can eat a bag of shredded restrictor plate.
@@thetechfromheaven ha ha pardon my language but NASCAR Reddit is full of douchebags, say anything that hivemind doesn't like and they screech and downvote.
@@thatcarguydom266 OEMS Say nope and nope as in Ford, Chevy &Toyota Also teams would have to change engines every race which will increase costs exponentially
@@TracksideViews They can, it's just rules in Japan doesn't allow high hp but they can hold aloy of horsepower that's why supra,gtr,ae86 basically japanese oems is the favorite to be tuned cause the engine is reliable and able to handle this hps
@@TracksideViews Ahh, now I remember why they whined a lot back in late 2014, so they decided to lower it for them, and hand them a set of favorable rules so they can win some titles easy...
next there's not the one doing anything to your home track as they don't own the track. SMI is the one who owns it and did the reconfigure of the corners.
@@johnhaas2523 True but SMI and Nascar are definitely partners on what happens at their track. I wish Nascar would make the summer race a night race. It's hot in Ga in summer
This is great news. By all indications they've given up their "dream" of pack racing at all the intermediate tracks. IMO NASCAR has dramatically overestimated the appeal of pack racing, and I'd probably watch very little NASCAR going forward were that the model. Yes, I understand Daytona and Talledega get a lot of eyeballs. The questions are why, and what does it do for the sport? Everything about the two tracks is made for promotion. They're the biggest races. They're the SUPER!!! speedways so the NASCAR-curious are going to think that's where the best racing can be found. Especially as much effort as NASCAR and the networks put into promoting them. There's an important thing NASCAR misses, however. How many casual or one time viewers become fans of the sport as a result of watching pack racing? Based on the trajectory of the sport I'd have to say none. Yeah. None. I know for a fact I'm not even close to the only long time fan to say I don't like these races. I talk to far too many at races and in other places to believe that. No one I know has EVER said to me "gee, I sure wish we could run 190mph parking lots that turn into 190mph junkyards every week!" This is a move back toward the things that put NASCAR on a rocket in the 1990s and early 2000s. It's a simple formula that every racing fan can understand. If you have the best setup and the best driver you'll pass cars. If you don't you'll get passed. If you move forward by keeping the throttle pinned all the way around, taking a big chance at the right time, and having a buddy to hammer on your bumper that's not racing. As it said in the video, I want to see come-rs and go-ers. I want to see teams playing tire strategy. I want to hear crew chiefs say wow, I guess we missed the setup this week. I want to see big catches like we've seen during testing...and no one can make those big catches when there's another car running 0.001 seconds behind them.
Fans? NASCAR is trying to establish zombie followers instead of fans. Why not allow the teams to hire engine builders to build the best possible engine, within established parameters, that they can.
Daytona pays more to start than any other race. If the entry count is low I would think some non chartered teams are going to try and take advantage of the guaranteed income and try to make it. Would help cover the cost of getting the car.
@@rettmcbride8591 because I have paid attention to everything like the reports and that it was the race team alliance that paid for a study on location
@@johnhaas2523 Yeah I will maybe the teams can sit in the stands there’s plenty of spots available for them up there. If you know anything about supply and demand that’s the only place you have to look to realize NASCAR is dying on the vine. In the car is on the way up and I think more fortune 500 companies are focusing their attention on that service rather than NASCAR. NASCAR’s business model depends on which way the winds blowing, that does not bode well for long-term success. If you are determining your direction from focus studies that might be the problem.
I will say the fan council is highly biased. The questions and multiple choice answers were geared to what NASCAR wants. I was banned from it for talking badly about the 550 package, NASCAR’s inconsistency in officiating, potential supply issues coming up, and how in my opinion, the next gen car is killing jobs and a lot of innovation in the stock car corner of the industry. They banned me, is what it is. As far as motors go, my opinion is make the engine rules simple. Tell them to keep it naturally aspirated, give them a spec fuel, and a cubic inch limit. Let the people behind the scenes come up with some wild stuff. I think that would be cool but probably wouldn’t happen
next gen killing jobs and innovation yes but cost got way out of control and the sport can't survive like that. teams with the money was paying engineers for everything. sponsorship dollars wasn't going as far anymore because coast was going higher and higher. it sucks to kill innovation and cut jobs but was a necessity even the manufacturers saw that. more teams that can be competitive than just the big 4 the better for the sport
@@johnhaas2523 While that may be true there is a section of the fan council survey where you can type out your own opinions and comments, I used to that to talk about my opinions of how the next gen car is putting people. Real people who at this point are specialized craftsman out of work. The cost in my opinion are going to rise and always will. If you want to see examples of that look at 602 and 604 dirt late model classes over the past few years. But yet again it’s all just opinions.
While this is a small win, I still say they should do something more similar to the early 2000's style of 950+ horsepower softer springs and medium downforce. It was pure theater watching those cars at say charlotte bouncing down the back straight like a boat over waves then diving into the corner sucked down to the track! But I digress...
@@johnhaas2523 incorrect. NASCAR and “potential future OEM’s” don’t want higher horsepower. None of the 3 established OE’s would have any issue whatsoever producing an engine with an output of 950+ horsepower reliably. It’s the premise of “new” OEM’s coming in that makes NASCAR want to limit the power. They don’t want Honda coming in and having to go straight to producing almost 1,000 hp because it’s never going to happen.
670 I luv the education that's based off of physics and facts! Bravo! NBC & FOX doesn't teach new fans technical information about the race cars as much as ESPN & TNN...lol The new car is a whole different animal than what a NASCAR stockcar has been since the beginning!
@@eldiablort1461 you don’t see the problem? If teams are paying more, that will cause financially struggling teams (FRM, Premium, RWR, Spire) to shut down and better teams to scale down their operations, resulting in smaller grids and thus, less on track action.
@@TheRealNishil This case might actually hold water if it wasn't for the fact that the amount of small, independent teams in NASCAR used to be HIGHER, not lower. I've been following since 2009-ish, and have closely studied NASCAR's history in its biggest boom periods - I haven't heard anything like what you're describing. This spec car nonsense is meant to tighten up the specs of the cars so they can't get away from each other. NASCAR wants wrecks, not stable teams, and that will end up costing teams FAR more than a horsepower war.
What about the over 800 hp from 2010 to 2014 seasons on road circuits? The more power the more spectacular the racing and the harder the cars are to drive
the teams in the manufacturers do not want 800 horsepower. teams don't want because it cheaper to ues engines that last 2 races. manufacturers want street car horsepower and they all killing off high horsepower engines
Let's just move the numbers back to the original location on side of car then all will be right. I actually really like new cars except for the numbers.
the numbers are not moving back because the team owner said so as if you wanted the numbers forwarded. complaining about the door number location is not allowed
This is the equivalent of tying your shoes before you start running... it shouldn’t take that much convincing for NASCAR to actually do it. There’s still plenty more obstacles in their path.
I hate this idea that we have to manipulate the cars to race good at each specific track. Just let them make as much power as they can get out of them and take away the vast majority of downforce and youre golden
teams and manufacturers don't want. do you not understand that? teams want engines that last 2 races because it cheaper than new every race. manufacturers want horsepower like in a street car has
This is great news! Can't wait for next season! As for field sizes for Speedweeks for Cup, I have a strong feeling we would have at least 37-39 there. Not a huge difference, but will be a first to have less cars start the 500, even if by 2 or more cars.
So let me get this straight. NASCAR wants to attract a new manufacturer with lower horsepower? Has anyone taken the time to think for one second about how stupid all of us have been since the day this turd from Italy began the design process? XFINITY STILL HAS 725 HORSEPOWER, EVERY MANUFACTURER INVOLVED HAS A CAR/TRUCK IN ALL THREE SERIES. So what the hell does lowering horse power actually accomplish? Not a damn thing. Those manufacturers are still going to be building an Xfinity car with more horsepower than a Cup car has unless they only want to participate in the Cup series, and I just don't see how that's viable when there's two other series on your TV they won't be part of in any way. It literally makes ZERO sense at all. Dodge makes Pick up trucks, Nissan does and so does Honda (though it's a gutless joke of a pickup in comparison) So what gives? No talk of Nissan or Honda coming, Dodge is rumored, but what does lowering power in Cup actually do in any way to entice a new brand when they still have Xfinity to worry about? They have to have a line up the ladder with their cars for future drivers. They can't have a gaping hole in manufacturer backed driver development or they'll fall way behind quickly. It's the biggest joke of an excuse to slowly get people used to what the lower power of electric hybrid engines will look like in the future because guess what. 670 everywhere but Daytona Talladega and Atlanta shows me one thing. That's what they expect the hybrid engine to make, the 510 is what the non hybrid engine at plate tracks will make since you can't regenerate any power when you're totally flat out. They're conditioning you. Flat out, plain and simple.
You know that F1 hybrids make like 1000 horsepower right? NASCAR will probably raise horsepower once we get hybrids. The REAL reason they lowered the horsepower is because the engines were too unreliable at 800+ and the cost of constantly building engines was far too high for the teams to sustain during NASCARs decline period. Hybrids are far more reliable and it can be expected that the Hybrid engines raise the horsepower to about 700-900 as a result.
@@samuelmcneill1120 if you never need to lift, when will that engine regenerate? they have enough downforce with the flat bottom and diffuser that as they make more power they drive EASIER. So that literally makes no sense.
@@xSnakeBerryx come back with something more intelligent than the bull crap boomer response every child has who isn't intelligent enough to open a box of cereal and then maybe I'll listen to something you have to say.
I don’t fully agree that 21XI paid 3 million above market price for the sole reason of advanced chassis development. I think between their close ties with TRD /JGR and higher budget than most other newer teams that they would quickly make up the couple months lost. However i think they’re thinking ahead towards the middle of the season when these other teams start having the ability to fund a car on a weekly basis. Also it’s 23XI I’m sure they can go above market price on certain things like charters when it’s a huge selling point to new sponsors. Who knows how long Monster will stick around and it sounds like it would be harder to get a charter every year especially if these cars actually cut costs like intended.
Not one of the biggest stories of NASCAR's 2022 season..THE Story. In fact it will be the ONLY story. In my opinion...If NASCAR drops the ball on this car, it's OVER. This is NASCAR's last gasp. Now, if NASCAR stubs its toe and face plants, will that spell the end of stock car racing..I don't believe so. There is too much to lose. I am sort of hoping that ISC, the Parent company of NASCAR is forced to take a seat. I think its time for new ideas and new people to run the sport. A couple years ago there were rumors about that some of the more wealthy teams and drivers were considering a move against the France family. A move to force them out by buying a controlling interest in ISC. Adding to the possibility that this was more than just rumor was the France family which owns NASCAR deiced to buy all ISC outstanding stock at $45 per share, total cost of the deal $2 billion, and take the company private. Anyway....
Correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't the Cup Series use 750hp/550hp on the previous rules packages? Soooo....they essentially lowered the horsepower....?
@@travisjohnson8282 nice joke. I just skating the truth about the horsepower. fans better just like it is the manufacturers and the teams that don't want high horsepower. the teams don't want it because what it cost for an engine they want engines that last for two races
I'd be curious to know what the racing is like with full HP and higher downforce. I think you would get the right mix of high speeds and close pack racing with it.
@@danielwest9955 Not the same chassis, not the same wheelbase, nor overall dimensions, not even the same rubber anymore, it's not gonna do the same by any means...
@@Thraser999 Yes. But the one thing everyone's wanted is off-throttle time, etc. You're going to get that with this HP package. It's a different skeleton, but the heart is literally the same as Xfinity. They took the same exact spacer from Xfinity and stuck it on NextGen during the 550HP tests when they were too slow. That's how we got here.
Is 510 HP package for Daytona initially to have "insurance" for lower overall speeds there (considering high chance of ton of wrecks?) and might be adjusted for Dega later for example?
today monday dec 20, 2020 there was a new york times business section front page story on Brendan Brown! this is the same newspaper that cancelled kyle larsen! i did a search on kyle Larsen and not a word about the champ! how about a feature on how nascar can change is image to appeal to people who would rather die then admit they are a fan.o thanks
So let me get this straight the reason why these things after 15 laps go around isn't just because tires get hit and brake loose but because the cars being over slowed lowering top end down force springing the car up forcing a sudden spin? So what's a way around this? I've been dealing with this on iracing this week. I built a set that's super slow at the start of the race but comes in after 20 laps. I've noticed that less is more currently where 90% throttle in the draft is better then 100% self spun 😂 would lowering the car help?
there is no such thing as a restrictor plate anymore. all they have is a tapered spacer so get it right. they will get rid of that when they no longer make 380 cubic inch engines not before. the new engines that coming as early as 2024 will be smaller than 380 cubic inches
750 is history so get over it. the manufacturers drive the sports and they want low horsepower and like what found in street cars with stock engines and no mods done
@@johnhaas2523 it’s such a moot point that manufacturers want low horsepower. Even Honda is in F1… these multi billion dollar manufactures can make space equipment. Considering there’s talks of dodge joining, the Hellcat puts out 717 Hp. All nascars are purpose built race cars and have had non stock modifications since 1966…
@@b-regsproductions who cares what the hellcat puts out for horsepower as dodge is killing off that engine. the manufacturers want the cars to be more like what you find at the dealership from engine horsepower to body looks. it about win on Sunday sell on Monday to the manufacturers
Due to less Air volume in the tire the grip to no grip is a very small window and you'll find Goodyear is going to be the story of the first half of the season? Rims are bigger tires are wider side walls are less equals removing the tire from the suspension shock?
So what I heard in that video clip is...it opens up doors for more manufacturers...well the only one that would need more hp is dodge...so sounds like Tony Stewart is going to be driving a tractor at more tracks....lol....
Yeah pretty much, Xfinity is the next series down from cup, trucks is third, there's the shit show known as arca with like 5 competitive cars, then the tree kinda branches out into smaller local divisions.
It's not that much of a mystery Nascar. Power. Speed. Cars on the edge of loss of control. That's what the fans want. The more control you put in the engineers hands, and take out of the hands of the driver...you're gonna get boring races. Power. Speed. Action. Fans. DUH!!!
They’re still 230hp down from 2018. NASCAR will give the Chevy teams another new engine package for 2022 season so that the Chevys can keep us with the Ford’s.
NASCAR didn't give anybody a new engine package so take your tinfoil hat off. the HMS and rcr engine development partnership the guys worked hard to find a little more horsepower out of the engines and Roush Yates engines dose the same thing. Nascar changing the way they inspect the cars specifically the rear fender wells and the no new parts is what hurt Ford last year
Higher horsepower provides better racing?
*Wow, I wish I thought of that*
Its very overton window of them ;).
Brilliant!
But their gonna drop to 510 hp at super speedways. Why. Does that make sense? No. Nascar takes one step forward and two steps back
@@harrymitchell5402 theyre scared of the closing speeds. Essentially, theyve created a monster they dont know how to tame.
"speed and power solves many things" said a wise man
A wise man on turning right on red: "That is America's *only* contribution to western civilization"
Good news on this. It might be as interesting with the Gen7 as it was when the cars were downsized in 1981.
Appeasing fans, drivers, and teams with 670 >>> appeasing non-existence new manufacturer of 550
ACTUALLY exciting fans with 950+ >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> acting like they care about fans with 670 > appeasing literally nobody with 550
Honesty I hate to be that one guy, but I wish the sport would just grow a pair of balls and just increase the horsepower on the superspeedways. Cuz honestly it's pretty disappointing when you are waiting for a super speedway race where the cars are supposed to be zipping around like its no tomorrow..only to have an even worse 510 package because the sport is too scared of a catch fence crash that happened over 30 years ago
@@crazypnut9260 They got scared of the fence crash Bobby Allison had, but then the resulting package opened their eyes to the mayhem of pack racing.
So they just kept doing it, no matter how many people got hurt. It hasn't been about safety since 1988.
NASCAR knows it can safely pull off derestricted superspeedway races where the cars spread out and there are few wrecks, but they won't do it because they love gimmicks. Packs are the ultimate gimmick, which is why they've been chasing that on intermediates for the past 3 years.
@@mitchell-wallisforce7859 am I the only one that feels like putting PJ1 down on every track in the corners is super gimmicky and corny as well? I hate it.
@@rdlangston13 I think everyone's grown tired of PJ1 at this point. It's because the cars couldn't race each other. Same reason they brought in the stages crap
I always knew that the reasoning for lower horsepower wasn't mainly for new OEMs but for engine reliability, the 900hp motor were usually limited to a single race before rebuilds and lowering it somewhat allowed them to last at least 2 races which was preharps wise in a sports with declining revenues.
Normally, this knind of engines like to run better in their unrestricted way, the years of 900HP since the introduction of EFI, I've seen less engine blowouts than the past few seasons with the dreadful 550HP package...
If you freeze the engine design and only allow for reliability upgrades then that solves much of the problem. So would a hard RPM limit.
The flat tappet cams and lifters were the biggest part of the problem and NASCAR mandated roller cam bearings and lifters for the 750 era. Those 2 things would have made the unrestricted engines last a lot longer so your claim still doesnt fit.
They should make the cars cheaper to manufacture then
670HP isn't some random number. It's roughly the same HP layout as the Xfinity Series. NASCAR took by far the most popular racing style, and brought it to Cup for NextGen.
This is a big win.
It's 20 more
The aero is completely different, as is the tire behavior with the new wheel and tire profile. Same horsepower does not necessarily equal same performance.
@@14stockfan correct this car has elements of IndyCar aero underneath and the diffuser.
@@14stockfan Agreed. It is totally different.
No matter the aero differences, they shouldn't be wide-open, or unable to pass because they're all running the same speed with his HP.
That's been the #1 complaint with the last era of Gen 6, and this solves it.
Except now they have 2 series that will race the exact same
Sounds like a good move to me. Love the opening intro with Clarkson lol
To quote him. Speed and Power solve many a thing
@@andrewwinslow9315 I feel like Clarkson would more than likely say speed and power solves *everything* lol
The restart testing looked really encouraging
The leader had .4s lead in 1 lap wtf are you talking about??? Ah yea the 2nd row was side by side but who the fuck cares when after 3 laps theyre stuck in dirty air lmfao
7:49 The answer is: lower the car to the ground as much as you can, but without running the risk of stalling the rear diffuser (aka not enough airflow under the car). Also, the cars will have to be stiffer to minimize the aero sensitivity to ride height changes on bumps, cause again that affects the diffuser as you said. I think that this will revolutionise car setups on road courses too.
Invisible elephant falls off when Horsepower is too low, MOAR POWER!!!!
Thank you for the Clarkson reference
we need 800
lets not forget nascar engines in the late 90s-early 00s were making about 670 horsepower. aero was obviously less complicated than it is now but i hope this is the start of something
These cars look like the 90's early 2000's cars grown up too
I want the 850hp back
They never had 850hp in a race ready car.
@@boduke2299 clueless
@rmm2424 take it anyway you want.
We might see some epic speeds at Michigan and Pocono and Auto Club
Just add some more horsepowers under the hood, and we will have ourselves a fast Gen 7🏁
We are getting there, folks!
Some years ago I got bashed on r/NASCAR for proposing a multipurpose roval/oval single chassis thing to the point I even got banned. r/NASCAR can eat a bag of shredded restrictor plate.
@@thetechfromheaven ha ha pardon my language but NASCAR Reddit is full of douchebags, say anything that hivemind doesn't like and they screech and downvote.
Sounds weird to hear Atlanta referred to as a Superspeedway but I'm looking forward to how that track races.
I think 725-750hp should do the trick
I think 900hp should do the better trick 👍
@@thatcarguydom266 OEMS Say nope and nope as in Ford, Chevy &Toyota
Also teams would have to change engines every race which will increase costs exponentially
Toyota couldn’t keep an engine together at that high HP remember?
@@TracksideViews They can, it's just rules in Japan doesn't allow high hp but they can hold aloy of horsepower that's why supra,gtr,ae86 basically japanese oems is the favorite to be tuned cause the engine is reliable and able to handle this hps
@@TracksideViews Ahh, now I remember why they whined a lot back in late 2014, so they decided to lower it for them, and hand them a set of favorable rules so they can win some titles easy...
I'm holding my breath on what Nascar is doing to my home track Atlanta. Having gone to races there since 1992 I still loved the old True oval the best
next there's not the one doing anything to your home track as they don't own the track. SMI is the one who owns it and did the reconfigure of the corners.
@@johnhaas2523 True but SMI and Nascar are definitely partners on what happens at their track. I wish Nascar would make the summer race a night race. It's hot in Ga in summer
This is great news. By all indications they've given up their "dream" of pack racing at all the intermediate tracks. IMO NASCAR has dramatically overestimated the appeal of pack racing, and I'd probably watch very little NASCAR going forward were that the model. Yes, I understand Daytona and Talledega get a lot of eyeballs. The questions are why, and what does it do for the sport? Everything about the two tracks is made for promotion. They're the biggest races. They're the SUPER!!! speedways so the NASCAR-curious are going to think that's where the best racing can be found. Especially as much effort as NASCAR and the networks put into promoting them. There's an important thing NASCAR misses, however. How many casual or one time viewers become fans of the sport as a result of watching pack racing? Based on the trajectory of the sport I'd have to say none. Yeah. None. I know for a fact I'm not even close to the only long time fan to say I don't like these races. I talk to far too many at races and in other places to believe that. No one I know has EVER said to me "gee, I sure wish we could run 190mph parking lots that turn into 190mph junkyards every week!" This is a move back toward the things that put NASCAR on a rocket in the 1990s and early 2000s. It's a simple formula that every racing fan can understand. If you have the best setup and the best driver you'll pass cars. If you don't you'll get passed. If you move forward by keeping the throttle pinned all the way around, taking a big chance at the right time, and having a buddy to hammer on your bumper that's not racing. As it said in the video, I want to see come-rs and go-ers. I want to see teams playing tire strategy. I want to hear crew chiefs say wow, I guess we missed the setup this week. I want to see big catches like we've seen during testing...and no one can make those big catches when there's another car running 0.001 seconds behind them.
Theyll likely be using the SS package at Atlanta..lol.
@@1320crusier Atlanta was dangerously fast for a couple of years after the last repave...and they're increasing the banking.
Now they just need to chop off another 4" of spoiler.
they not going any lower than 4 inches and that what they tested last was a 4 inch
@@johnhaas2523 Unfortunately. The funny thing is that they're concerned about turbulent air, but won't eliminate one of the biggest reasons for it.
Gotta love that?
Love the logitech shifter. Had mine since 2012
Now you own a piece of vintage retro tech, which is also obsolete
Fans? NASCAR is trying to establish zombie followers instead of fans.
Why not allow the teams to hire engine builders to build the best possible engine, within established parameters, that they can.
Daytona pays more to start than any other race. If the entry count is low I would think some non chartered teams are going to try and take advantage of the guaranteed income and try to make it. Would help cover the cost of getting the car.
The intro made me think I got a Grand Tour ad for a second.
Now let’s just leave the number position and maybe we can salvage NASCAR
teams want it forward
@@johnhaas2523 how do you know?
@@rettmcbride8591 because I have paid attention to everything like the reports and that it was the race team alliance that paid for a study on location
@@johnhaas2523 Yeah I will maybe the teams can sit in the stands there’s plenty of spots available for them up there. If you know anything about supply and demand that’s the only place you have to look to realize NASCAR is dying on the vine. In the car is on the way up and I think more fortune 500 companies are focusing their attention on that service rather than NASCAR. NASCAR’s business model depends on which way the winds blowing, that does not bode well for long-term success. If you are determining your direction from focus studies that might be the problem.
I will say the fan council is highly biased. The questions and multiple choice answers were geared to what NASCAR wants. I was banned from it for talking badly about the 550 package, NASCAR’s inconsistency in officiating, potential supply issues coming up, and how in my opinion, the next gen car is killing jobs and a lot of innovation in the stock car corner of the industry. They banned me, is what it is. As far as motors go, my opinion is make the engine rules simple. Tell them to keep it naturally aspirated, give them a spec fuel, and a cubic inch limit. Let the people behind the scenes come up with some wild stuff. I think that would be cool but probably wouldn’t happen
next gen killing jobs and innovation yes but cost got way out of control and the sport can't survive like that. teams with the money was paying engineers for everything. sponsorship dollars wasn't going as far anymore because coast was going higher and higher. it sucks to kill innovation and cut jobs but was a necessity even the manufacturers saw that. more teams that can be competitive than just the big 4 the better for the sport
@@johnhaas2523 While that may be true there is a section of the fan council survey where you can type out your own opinions and comments, I used to that to talk about my opinions of how the next gen car is putting people. Real people who at this point are specialized craftsman out of work. The cost in my opinion are going to rise and always will. If you want to see examples of that look at 602 and 604 dirt late model classes over the past few years. But yet again it’s all just opinions.
@@jamescurrence1644 some cost you can't control like material cost. cutting cut in areas you can control though helps
550 package and 670 package went head to head and 670 won. Wow you dont say.
While this is a small win, I still say they should do something more similar to the early 2000's style of 950+ horsepower softer springs and medium downforce. It was pure theater watching those cars at say charlotte bouncing down the back straight like a boat over waves then diving into the corner sucked down to the track! But I digress...
teams and manufacturers don't want high horsepower
@@johnhaas2523 oh I know they don't, they're still wrong though lol. But was more just a wish than anything. Don't see them actually doing it
@@johnhaas2523 incorrect. NASCAR and “potential future OEM’s” don’t want higher horsepower. None of the 3 established OE’s would have any issue whatsoever producing an engine with an output of 950+ horsepower reliably. It’s the premise of “new” OEM’s coming in that makes NASCAR want to limit the power. They don’t want Honda coming in and having to go straight to producing almost 1,000 hp because it’s never going to happen.
I dont trust NASCAR. They still need to fix a lot of stuff until I turn on my TV again.
hahaha
Do you like what you're seeing?
I'll take I can get
Nope.
It’s the “WHooP” for me
670
I luv the education that's based off of physics and facts! Bravo!
NBC & FOX doesn't teach new fans technical information about the race cars as much as ESPN & TNN...lol
The new car is a whole different animal than what a NASCAR stockcar has been since the beginning!
Where have you been and under what rock? Good lord
The Gen 7 is still 300+ down on what Cup motors are capable of. They are also still spec cars.
They still suck.
Yeah well the problem is if you give full horsepower, teams will have to change engines every race which will increase costs exponentially.
@@TheRealNishil I missed the part where that’s my problem.
@@eldiablort1461 you don’t see the problem? If teams are paying more, that will cause financially struggling teams (FRM, Premium, RWR, Spire) to shut down and better teams to scale down their operations, resulting in smaller grids and thus, less on track action.
@@TheRealNishil This case might actually hold water if it wasn't for the fact that the amount of small, independent teams in NASCAR used to be HIGHER, not lower. I've been following since 2009-ish, and have closely studied NASCAR's history in its biggest boom periods - I haven't heard anything like what you're describing.
This spec car nonsense is meant to tighten up the specs of the cars so they can't get away from each other. NASCAR wants wrecks, not stable teams, and that will end up costing teams FAR more than a horsepower war.
As a huge IndyCar fan, great analysis as this is a Dalara built chassis and is the first true Aero Nascar regarding the Indy Rookie test.
Dalara only designed the Nascar chassis
I like your videos and been watching them for three years. Keep up the good work and you are a good reporter.👍
What about the over 800 hp from 2010 to 2014 seasons on road circuits? The more power the more spectacular the racing and the harder the cars are to drive
the teams in the manufacturers do not want 800 horsepower. teams don't want because it cheaper to ues engines that last 2 races. manufacturers want street car horsepower and they all killing off high horsepower engines
Let's just move the numbers back to the original location on side of car then all will be right. I actually really like new cars except for the numbers.
the numbers are not moving back because the team owner said so as if you wanted the numbers forwarded. complaining about the door number location is not allowed
This is the equivalent of tying your shoes before you start running... it shouldn’t take that much convincing for NASCAR to actually do it. There’s still plenty more obstacles in their path.
I hate this idea that we have to manipulate the cars to race good at each specific track. Just let them make as much power as they can get out of them and take away the vast majority of downforce and youre golden
teams and manufacturers don't want. do you not understand that? teams want engines that last 2 races because it cheaper than new every race. manufacturers want horsepower like in a street car has
needs to be 800 minimum
not happening
Rare w in the Steve Phelps Steve o Donnell era
Thank you O'Donnell
Good. Now tell em to put the numbers back in the usual spot and Ill be 100% happy.
I hope NASCAR feels stupid that %100 of everyone thinks this is a good idea.
There's also talk of testing a 4 inch spoiler. I'm all for that.
That was last thing tested
This is great news! Can't wait for next season! As for field sizes for Speedweeks for Cup, I have a strong feeling we would have at least 37-39 there. Not a huge difference, but will be a first to have less cars start the 500, even if by 2 or more cars.
So let me get this straight. NASCAR wants to attract a new manufacturer with lower horsepower? Has anyone taken the time to think for one second about how stupid all of us have been since the day this turd from Italy began the design process? XFINITY STILL HAS 725 HORSEPOWER, EVERY MANUFACTURER INVOLVED HAS A CAR/TRUCK IN ALL THREE SERIES. So what the hell does lowering horse power actually accomplish? Not a damn thing.
Those manufacturers are still going to be building an Xfinity car with more horsepower than a Cup car has unless they only want to participate in the Cup series, and I just don't see how that's viable when there's two other series on your TV they won't be part of in any way. It literally makes ZERO sense at all. Dodge makes Pick up trucks, Nissan does and so does Honda (though it's a gutless joke of a pickup in comparison) So what gives?
No talk of Nissan or Honda coming, Dodge is rumored, but what does lowering power in Cup actually do in any way to entice a new brand when they still have Xfinity to worry about? They have to have a line up the ladder with their cars for future drivers. They can't have a gaping hole in manufacturer backed driver development or they'll fall way behind quickly. It's the biggest joke of an excuse to slowly get people used to what the lower power of electric hybrid engines will look like in the future because guess what. 670 everywhere but Daytona Talladega and Atlanta shows me one thing. That's what they expect the hybrid engine to make, the 510 is what the non hybrid engine at plate tracks will make since you can't regenerate any power when you're totally flat out. They're conditioning you. Flat out, plain and simple.
Ok boomer
You know that F1 hybrids make like 1000 horsepower right? NASCAR will probably raise horsepower once we get hybrids. The REAL reason they lowered the horsepower is because the engines were too unreliable at 800+ and the cost of constantly building engines was far too high for the teams to sustain during NASCARs decline period. Hybrids are far more reliable and it can be expected that the Hybrid engines raise the horsepower to about 700-900 as a result.
@@samuelmcneill1120 if you never need to lift, when will that engine regenerate? they have enough downforce with the flat bottom and diffuser that as they make more power they drive EASIER. So that literally makes no sense.
@@xSnakeBerryx come back with something more intelligent than the bull crap boomer response every child has who isn't intelligent enough to open a box of cereal and then maybe I'll listen to something you have to say.
Xfinity does not run 725 hp... u sound stupid to me...
Next Gen car...Next Gen horsepower their is nothing wrong with a little more horsepower.
Actually the first test of 2022 will be at Atlanta on January 5-6. Most likely it will be the “Superspeedway package” they’ll be using there.
that a tire test not a organized test
More Horse power the better thats what Racing is all about..SPEED!
no that not true especially in nascar it all about entertainment and nothing more
Nascar cup & trucks séries are great motorsports i Hope next Season will be fantastic thanks for video grettings ❤️🇧🇪
I don’t fully agree that 21XI paid 3 million above market price for the sole reason of advanced chassis development. I think between their close ties with TRD /JGR and higher budget than most other newer teams that they would quickly make up the couple months lost. However i think they’re thinking ahead towards the middle of the season when these other teams start having the ability to fund a car on a weekly basis. Also it’s 23XI I’m sure they can go above market price on certain things like charters when it’s a huge selling point to new sponsors. Who knows how long Monster will stick around and it sounds like it would be harder to get a charter every year especially if these cars actually cut costs like intended.
So after screaming at them earlier in the week over "something else". Nascar at least gains more horsepower.
makes a trans am car more powerful almost everywhere. crazy.
Fact: Jeremy Clarkson makes any video better.
I fully support this statement
"NASCAR is Trash"
Not one of the biggest stories of NASCAR's 2022 season..THE Story.
In fact it will be the ONLY story.
In my opinion...If NASCAR drops the ball on this car, it's OVER.
This is NASCAR's last gasp.
Now, if NASCAR stubs its toe and face plants, will that spell the end of stock car racing..I don't believe so.
There is too much to lose.
I am sort of hoping that ISC, the Parent company of NASCAR is forced to take a seat. I think its time for new ideas and new people to run the sport.
A couple years ago there were rumors about that some of the more wealthy teams and drivers were considering a move against the France family. A move to force them out by buying a controlling interest in ISC.
Adding to the possibility that this was more than just rumor was the France family which owns NASCAR deiced to buy all ISC outstanding stock at $45 per share, total cost of the deal $2 billion, and take the company private.
Anyway....
Correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't the Cup Series use 750hp/550hp on the previous rules packages? Soooo....they essentially lowered the horsepower....?
yes they lowered it from 750 but raised it from 550
Loved the intro by the way
It's seems to be a good start
I want a shirt that says WHOOP , David make it happen and my check will be in the mail
All cars need tested before races on wheel horsepower then to make sure on a level playing feild
HP limitations are dumb. Big builder fences and turn them loose !
670 is still not enough. Give the cars 900
OEMS Say nope and nope as in Ford, Chevy &Toyota
Also teams would have to change engines every race which will increase costs exponentially
Fans always still will complain smh
@@johnhaas2523 Lol, it was only Toyota bitching in 2014. Ford and Chevy had zero issues with power.
@@johnhaas2523 we get it Nascar corporate butt kisser geez
@@travisjohnson8282 nice joke. I just skating the truth about the horsepower. fans better just like it is the manufacturers and the teams that don't want high horsepower. the teams don't want it because what it cost for an engine they want engines that last for two races
I'd be curious to know what the racing is like with full HP and higher downforce. I think you would get the right mix of high speeds and close pack racing with it.
Little bit I want little more hp
Huh? Passing? Coming and goers? That is why I used to watch this sport. Nah, they wont do that and bring me back lol
Jeremy Clarkson aprooves this message.
After making fun of American cheese habits
Speaking of IMSA, Grosjean couldn't get the WTR deal done and Keating will be with JDC going for the watch.
Ok. Go Back To The 800/850/900 High Horsepower Package On The Next-Gen Cars, Like In 2014.
It's basically the Xfinity package. If you've enjoyed that racing over the last 5 seasons, then they've directly copy/pasted it to the Cup Series.
OEMS Say nope and nope as in Ford, Chevy &Toyota
Also teams would have to change engines every race which will increase costs exponentially
More HP doesn’t always mean better racing
@@danielwest9955 Not the same chassis, not the same wheelbase, nor overall dimensions, not even the same rubber anymore, it's not gonna do the same by any means...
@@Thraser999 Yes. But the one thing everyone's wanted is off-throttle time, etc.
You're going to get that with this HP package.
It's a different skeleton, but the heart is literally the same as Xfinity. They took the same exact spacer from Xfinity and stuck it on NextGen during the 550HP tests when they were too slow. That's how we got here.
Do we know what the HP/weight ratio is compared to previous generations?
2:40 I can't even listen to this guy because of the bubble jet 8-bit background. What is going on with the background?
Is 510 HP package for Daytona initially to have "insurance" for lower overall speeds there (considering high chance of ton of wrecks?) and might be adjusted for Dega later for example?
I believe it is meant to reduce the likelihood of cars going airborne and flipping.
today monday dec 20, 2020 there was a new york times business section front page story on Brendan Brown! this is the same newspaper that cancelled kyle larsen! i did a search on kyle Larsen and not a word about the champ!
how about a feature on how nascar can change is image to appeal to people who would rather die then admit they are a fan.o
thanks
At least one of your larson cars should be present
Around 4 cars will leave the track after take a few laps at the Daytona 500
I need to know what that top gear clip is from. I see that car on my route just rusting away but I can’t figure out what it is
So let me get this straight the reason why these things after 15 laps go around isn't just because tires get hit and brake loose but because the cars being over slowed lowering top end down force springing the car up forcing a sudden spin? So what's a way around this? I've been dealing with this on iracing this week. I built a set that's super slow at the start of the race but comes in after 20 laps. I've noticed that less is more currently where 90% throttle in the draft is better then 100% self spun 😂 would lowering the car help?
Guessing all the inspectors will be having vision problems in the tech line at Daytona?
He said oem’s I wonder who they are. I know dodge is one of them but I speculate that Hyundai is likely talking to them as well.
Powaaaaaaaaaaaaaa!!!
Interesting development
Let me quote the most famous quote by Donut Media: "Mo Powah Baybeh!!"
when was the last time we had 40? I can't remember exactly
Next they need no restrictor plates increase hp more
there is no such thing as a restrictor plate anymore. all they have is a tapered spacer so get it right. they will get rid of that when they no longer make 380 cubic inch engines not before. the new engines that coming as early as 2024 will be smaller than 380 cubic inches
Let’s get 750
750 is history so get over it. the manufacturers drive the sports and they want low horsepower and like what found in street cars with stock engines and no mods done
@@johnhaas2523 it’s such a moot point that manufacturers want low horsepower. Even Honda is in F1… these multi billion dollar manufactures can make space equipment. Considering there’s talks of dodge joining, the Hellcat puts out 717 Hp. All nascars are purpose built race cars and have had non stock modifications since 1966…
@@b-regsproductions who cares what the hellcat puts out for horsepower as dodge is killing off that engine.
the manufacturers want the cars to be more like what you find at the dealership from engine horsepower to body looks. it about win on Sunday sell on Monday to the manufacturers
Mo powa baby
Due to less Air volume in the tire the grip to no grip is a very small window and you'll find Goodyear is going to be the story of the first half of the season? Rims are bigger tires are wider side walls are less equals removing the tire from the suspension shock?
NASCAR, come on 670hp. You can buy a street car for under 150k that makes the same or more than NASCAR's power.
You can buy a street car that makes same horsepower is 100% what manufacturers want is street car horsepower
Can we get a "☝️whoop" shirt?
550 hp is like a shopping car in 2021 750hp should be the minimum
550hp is like grocery getting Karenmobile level, it should be at least 1k
800 minimum. If Dodge can warranty a Hellcat with a damn blower on top at 707 min, race engines in nascar should reliably be cranking out 900hp
so will they be running the new package at Atlanta
probably same areo package but 510 horsepower
But we won’t know till the test there
No way the higher horsepower won? Oh my what a shocker🖖🖖
So what I heard in that video clip is...it opens up doors for more manufacturers...well the only one that would need more hp is dodge...so sounds like Tony Stewart is going to be driving a tractor at more tracks....lol....
Dodge cutting high horsepower engines. and Tony seams very happy yet with Ford if you check out his social media
someone from the UK here, what is the difference between NASCAR Cup & Xfinity series? is one like F1 the other like F2? or is it not that simple?
Xfinity series is a Lower series. cup series is the primer series of Nascar
Yeah pretty much, Xfinity is the next series down from cup, trucks is third, there's the shit show known as arca with like 5 competitive cars, then the tree kinda branches out into smaller local divisions.
Perfect, now we want 230 more, that's all...
No, they didnt listen. Its 80 hp less than the top package last year and a whopping ~280hp less than the unrestricted engines.
you're never getting that unrestricted horsepower. new engines will be built around the 670 horsepower unrestricted horsepower when new engines come
It's not that much of a mystery Nascar. Power. Speed. Cars on the edge of loss of control. That's what the fans want. The more control you put in the engineers hands, and take out of the hands of the driver...you're gonna get boring races. Power. Speed. Action. Fans. DUH!!!
They’re still 230hp down from 2018. NASCAR will give the Chevy teams another new engine package for 2022 season so that the Chevys can keep us with the Ford’s.
NASCAR didn't give anybody a new engine package so take your tinfoil hat off. the HMS and rcr engine development partnership the guys worked hard to find a little more horsepower out of the engines and Roush Yates engines dose the same thing. Nascar changing the way they inspect the cars specifically the rear fender wells and the no new parts is what hurt Ford last year