@@curljamz3905 that's a good choice during the nineties I always wanted to see pac and face collaboration glad it happened in August 96 a month before pac got killed
@@encouraginglyauthentic43 it's not about dick riding any time the king of ny b.i.g at the time said he next in line for the crown all the top mcs says he nice
Not to mention when he brought Nas out on stage during one of his concerts. Even after Nas bodied him on Either. Jay will latch himself to whomever is hot at the time.
ryanr20091 the streets fucked with jayz Made songs for hustlers. Tf are you talking about. Jay was also never jealous of camron and camron never said that. Jay had a problem with dame and dame spitefully signed the dip set
That's not finesse that's snake shit: Jay stay wanting to be the only xigga up as if Black People who invent global culture don't need community; Sean Corey's arrogance is on a whole other level, and I don't find that shit admirable. We ALL can and should eat good.
You will NEVER be able to call any rapper the greatest because you ask 100 different people and you will get 1000 different opinions on who the greatest is.
@@reggaefan2700 Actually most would have a different opinion in general about this topic. Ive heard people say KRS one, Big L, Nas, Big daddy Kane, Jadakiss, Big Pun Biggie. Like Nas said in ether it ain't no best.
This is why I never debate or argue or play the list game because 1) none of is qualify to speak on the "A" and the "T" in GOAT: we haven't always lived as long as time and we will pass on from time at some point, so, no, not "Of All Time"; if anything "of my generation" or "of ____ era" or "of [fill in whatever year]". 2) ART IS SUBJECTIVE. Men get out of control with competition gor competition's sake sometimes; it is perfectly fine to say Jay Z doesn't do it for you but Lil Wayne or Bun B is everything--no one can refute that if Bun B got you through your baby father making a baby on you at the same time you pushed out or if Lil Wayne gave you the confidence to win the interest of the hardest to fucc bitch you ever seen.
Ceno when you said “all J do is steal other rappers identity” I was done right there👍🏿. Jay-Z has been accused of stealing other rappers identity since his career started. At first J stole Biggie style and so fourth. That’s just like DMX and Ja Rule stealing 2pac look and style, I call the “Post PAC era” because once 2pac past a whole bunch of rappers stole 2pac steelo.
So Hov can’t be the greatest rapper of all time cuz he has the same haircut as J. Cole, reinvented his sounded after a flop, and closed out an album series. Wow
The only thing Jay did "Right" that everyone else in The Roc did "Wrong" is play the game and take the devil's deal. I would like him a whole whole lot more of he didn't fuck up everyone else's good money just so his insecurities could be satisfied that he's superior.
@@haydenphoenix3836 Yeah, he and Bey have that in common, he wasn’t lying about Big Pimpin’. I only just recently found out about about the weird culty shit he’s into-always knew about his history telling girls “take a ride with me.”, his job interview process. Entertainment is a filthy industry as a whole.
MY "AMERICAN NIGHTMARE" JOINT THAT ALL THA' MAINSTREAM RAPPERS PEEPED-OUT BEHIND THA' SCENES LAST YEAR TOPS THEM ALL!!! BELIEVE THAT!!! #FROMTHA'REALESTTALKINVENTOR!!!
His best albums is compilation albums seriously top five Mc’s and lyricist is 1 rakim 2 nas 3 biggie 4 jay 5 2pac and six Eminem I’m not talking about popularity or mainstream or commercial wise
“ His manuscript just sound stupid when KRS already made an album called Blueprint! “ - Nas...Once Nas exposed Jay he fell out of the greatest of all time and top 5 convo IMO! 🤷🏿♂️
How? Hater....Who Progress? Who DIDN'T? Genius.... Make Sense ... There is NO Rapper That Has a Better RESUME or Achievements Than HOV! .... You Entitled to Like What You Like....Real People Know The TRUTH....if it's is NOT Him Than Who???????
You've been in this 10, I've been in it five; smarten up, Nas! Four albums in 10 years, nigga? I could divide That's one every... let's say two, two of them shits was doo One was "nah...," the other was Illmatic That's a one-hot-album-every-10-year average And that's so (Lame)
@@eddiedelarge12that resume is dotted with booboo and stolen lyrics and concepts. Not borrowed, jacked. Nas catalogue just in the past 6 yrs eclipses whatever Jay z thought he was doing past blueprint 3
Also a deadbeat father but this is who folks look up too why it's he all on tv why aren't they speaking about how he neglected his daughter for 28yrs it's hush hush on that but they gave r Kelly hell because he was behind on child support this shit is full of favoritism
He was NEVER the greatest rapper of all time to me. If DOC never lost his voice who knows how big he would've been. If Tupac never died who knows how many Diamond selling albums he could have made.If DMX kept himself sober long enough to realize he had momentum and fire in his hand in the 2000s who knows how good his catalog would've turned out(catalog is still good) plus no matter how successful Jay z is he can never erase the L that was ether.
@Jamaal Davis this man said X wasn’t on Hov’ level!!?? My guy X was the biggest act in music after flesh of my flesh came out. Jay- Z even now has never been as big as dmx on a mainstream level. Where is Hov’s Hollywood blockbusters at? Two #1 albums in one year, boy you need to stop
Nas is the greatest rapper. “If I ruled the world” meant something to every black person and is a example of the kind of music we need to listen too. Their is no song in hip hop history that touches the soul like this one. And his 1st couple albums can only be compared to Biggie or PAC.
Fam I tried to tell people that argue nas isn’t the greatest or at best top 2 that if I ruled the world is one of the main reasons if you just sit back and listen to how he shares on how his interpretation of a perfect world would be like is phenomenal then to make it extra dope he shows his love and respect to some of the forefathers of hip hop kurtis blow with the hook and whodini with the sample and the beautiful Lauren hill another revolutionary top 2 female emcee ever singing the hook this is the definition of a perfect hip hop song I’m sorry nothing JAY-Z, B.I.G., pac, em or anybody ever spit is better then the second verse of this song nothing
Nah, he was just too busy already doing an independent run. Creating leverage and doing partnerships with labels. He also has been around since the 80's .
@@Willie_Stark You're proving my point Jay wasn't doing none of that Jaz showed him the game then Dame was taking care of all the business you just made that shit up in your head
Jayz too damn commercial. He hasn't had a hot line in decades. His. Content is forced. Rappers like tupac, nas common, scarface, a tribe called quest de la soul there content carries so much substance. Jayz first album reasonable doubt is his only real classic.
Jay hasn’t done anything to shift the culture...he definitely follows the trends. I was done when Jay started rapping like the Migos over Future trap beats. I wanna see Jay step outside of his comfort zone and be creative.
He'll never do that he has that if ain't broke don't fix it mentality that's why i like Kanye as the better artist because he takes risks even tho Jay-Z is the better rapper between those two
@@slowburnraloh1807 go back and listen to X albums then listen to J albums back to back and you'll see its easy X albums were way better. J is nice though
"after the black album, you will be very pressed to find a Jay-Z album that was even good after that" that's laughable lol I can make a case that American Gangster album was his second best album he ever dropped
I'm treating rap like the corner/fuck with me if you wanna/ my raps changed but my mind frame remains the same/ I gotta protect what is mine - Jay-z come and get me 99'
My top 10 reason Jay is not the GOAT: 10. Blueprint 2 9. Blueprint 3 8. KINGDOM COME 7. Swagger Jacker - (Cam exposed Jay stealing lines over his career) 6. BIGGIE > JayZ 5. Nas 4. LL 3. KANE 2. RAKIM 1. Pac I like JayZ but the ppl in the top 6 have music that ecsplices JayZ 🎶 🎵
I think Jay has better music over an extended period than LL, Kane and Rakim... LL has 2 classic albums and one very good album... a whole bunch of hit singles, but a whole bunch of album flops, too... after the early '90s, he became boring. Kane has one classic album and one good album... he tried to be a lover/playboy like LL and came out sounding way corny... he's definitely an architect like LL for his '80s output, but his overall career is pretty bland. Rakim has 3 classic albums with Eric B., but a lackluster solo career... he and Kane had the best two songs on the Juice soundtrack, though, but after Let the Rhythm Hit Em, his career kinda tapered off to me. Jay has one bonafide classic and 2 arguable classic albums, so 1-3 classics, depending on who you ask.. he also has several good albums and several mediocre albums... his output is greater than the others because he released 10 albums in like 10 years... he also has a slew of hit singles and he has been able to remain relevant over 3 different decades, which is something that the other MCs on your list failed to do
Blueprint 2 was hard kingdom come ify blueprint 3 ify but resonabl doubt classic vol 1 classic vol 3 classic blueprint 1 classic black album classic only 2 contesting hov pen is big and big L .... Big L didn't get to drop a album but you can tell from the 97 freestyle hov and big got they styles from him ready to die big got busy but life after has never been touched and that was 97 which is. Why i say hov to rich to get ahead of these waves cause big and hov obviously got hold of that style before big L got to use it but hov was fone sign him before he died and big probably wanted to atleast put him on so its not a mark against them for it
He saw he had to reintroduce himself to the masses to the younger people when he came back and he has grown as a person with every album he talks about it he taught this generation of rappers to become the best hustler not just the best rapper or m.c. even his biggest personal issues he made a album out of it 4:44 😂😂...only people I wouldn't argue over him is nas or em after pac and b.i.g. obviously..but nobody can pump out 13 album without growing as a person and talking about it every album to me that's one of many reasons why the best to me..he told people he was coming to be the best and he did
Facts, people just wanna hear JAY rhyme a bunch of random bars, and he even said in a interview, he can do that all day, but that’s not enough to do an album, he raps real content and subject matter, people just hate and choose not to respect his growth. 🐐
@@StevenEskridge6003 the argument is he the goat or not and i can give you better names . hes arguably top 10 but hes not top 5 because of his swagga jacking ways unoriginality . he got spanked by nas in 01got murdered by eminem on his own track lol.he got scared of jadakiss so he lets beans fight his battle. i would argue 50cent was better and it doesnt sound ridiculous lol
@@718NIGGA listen jayz got ethered so he can never be the goat and hip hop heads will never forget that . his content is other peoples content and nobody real knows who he is as an emcee because hes taken from so many legends
@@YUNGFRESH25bklyn versatile gtfoh lmao ? What other rapper got the ladies got the mothers loving him ? Got the gangstas and the hood loving him , has respect from conscious rappers like Chuck d+ Common Plus is a bonifide movie star? That's the definition of versatility UR dead WRONG today + twice on Sunday, Not that Nas doesn't have some those things but he's not the Global icon 2pac is
Karceno you are right they are always putting him and Biggie up together I would not say he is not a top 5 rapper because he is but when people put him better then big I ask them what jayz album can step on ready to die
The Dynasty was his only greatest album compared to all of his other albums... even though he copied Pac words Money over bitches.. he definitely copied Pacs style on that Dynasty album 💯💯💯💯💯💯💯
You sound like a real block, I’m give you this one for free. A great rapper said this verse” no idea is original, there’s nothing new under the sun”. You can’t be mad at the man for perfecting his craft. I can respect you more by saying you don’t like him. Just keep it there.
I agree and have been saying this for years, Jay's best attribute is riding the coat tails of whatever is popular to stay relevant. He's a good rapper, has classic albums but he's never been the goat imo!
Oh Ceno you was buggin on this one. I was with you all the way til you got to the 3 minute mark and said Jay hasn’t had a good album since Black album. Yea you got something personal going on with Jay to even think that was true. American Gangster is a top 5 Jay album bruh. And 4:44 was dope too 🤨
Jay Z changed his style (rapping fast) to slowing his style down after nas dropped illmatic. He then stole camp lo beat, big died he took some of his rhymes. Took young Chris style and blocked him. Calvin Klein, deHaven has more stories of Jay swagger Jagger in my Cam'ron voice
Hov got the catalog...music .songs..hits...cmon man...cmon..wit the fuckery.....sto hating on da nigga....he checks all the boxes..n doesn't write shit down...cmon ..classic album..dope production...n etc.....wtf...he skill speaks 4 self..a 🐐🐐💯
@@jamaaldavis6456 Jay is good but he has major strikes against him from stealing from biggie and taking alot from Nas and then beefing with and losing the battle with Nas. Jay did alot of snake stuff in the game and it really made people look at him funny.
@@nickp8670 50 is good but not better than Jay Z 50 cent is overrated a lot of what he rap is the same he does get deep at time but majority of what rap is the same I sell drugs I'll kill, despite being very rich I'll still kill, hey girl let me get em up jeans
Deundre Kid I think 50 is a better rapper than Jay imo but you got a point 50 raps about the same 4 or 3 things Guns,money,drugs and how he will kill a mf but I’ll still bump 50 over Jay any day.
Deundre Kid The thing I find very strange about Jays career vs 50s career is that 50s worst albums sold more than Jays best albums so you mean to tell me more people was buying 50s albums over jay but Jay is supposed to be this God MC that everybody in hip-hop shows respect to idk bro I never understood that the top 3 or 5 MCs in hip-hop according to the general hip-hop fan is Jay,Em,Nas,Biggie,2PAC and 50 has sold more albums than Jay Nas and Biggie and according to most people those rappers are leagues above 50 lol but then why ain’t all these people that put them in there top 5s buying there albums ik album’s sales don’t equate to you being a good rapper but it definitely shows the support of your fans 50 sold more albums/records than Nas and Jay by his second album that’s crazy to me honestly I feel like Jay is overrated 50 always been a better rapper than Jay imo I feel like 50 would be up there with Nas Jay Biggie and PAC if he didn’t beef with so many rappers and people behind the scenes he burned too many bridges.
He's okay. I never saw anything outstanding about his rapping. It's all hype. If a money machine got behind u and Bribing most of the radio stations. You'd be considered great. Most rappers are fools and so are most of the people listening to it. What positive do u get out of it but ignorance
Jay is the LeBron James of the rap game. He needed help from many ppl and the industry to get to a top level status. Plus too many rappers were at the top and above him during his popular years as a rapper. 2pac, Nas, Beanie Siegel, Eminem, Drake, Wayne,etc.
Other then PAC jay was bigger then everybody you named he didn't need anybody to shine he went toe to toe with the 🐐 big and held his own twice once hard knock life dropped it was over top dog 🐕 for years
Nigga what 😂🤦🏾♂️ LeBron plays a TEAM sport. Where you need a team to win. No great player wins alone. Jay Z is in the rap game. Two completely different things.
@@MFjaYWiLL man cut the jokes what rapper since his has done a cross country tour you can't do that if you not the hottest rapper it don't matter anybody you no or claim was hotter then him in any I guarantee to you he better then song for song bar for bar catalog for catalog FACT'S
You gotta look at how far he’s gone in the business as well unfortunately pac and biggie didn’t get the chance to excel in the music business then spring off to clothing alcohol and the list goes on his the goat what you saying and I’m not a jay z fan I definitely respect and admire how he’s grabbed a hold of his life and own it bro you buggin
I have a question for anyone who was around when masta ace on the symphony said "Never will I ever condone biting in any form" How does Jay-Z get a pass every time for biting peoples lyrics? (This is a younger guy asking this btw)
@@JayBabyEars very good and true question. And I also respect it coming from a younger guy that can quote Master Ace, shows your a student of the genre. It's like a rapper having ghostwriters, ppl feel that's not being a true rap artist cause you're not creatively coming up with writing any material. Not everybody has that talent. Does that not make you a good rapper? It's like the pretty girl who when she opens her mouth is ugly cause she mad ghetto!! Does that still make her face not pretty?
@@TheTrut416 I see your point, but the reason I posed that question is to see where in hip hop did biting become less of an offense, because Jay has bitten lines verbatim, and nobody bats an eye, I'm not saying Jay isn't nice, because he is, I can sit up here and quote Jay-Z lines and verses all day long. His impact can't be denied. But in my opinion he's overrated due to how uncreative he's proven to be, yes there are emcees who aren't that creative but you don't see them put on the high pedistal that Jay is put on. Again, Jigga is nice but I just don't see how people can bypass him biting people, but let that be anyone else, it's gonna be a crucifixion on the rise
I’m not a Jay-Z fan and have never been. I like a couple of his songs from time to time. But never the G.O.A.T. Never. I agree wit you 100% One of my main reasons is that I never heard a PRO BLACK or Socially Conscious song from him. Like a P.E., Tupac, or old Ice Cube song. Granted, I never listened to all his albums though.
I agree. As great a rapper that Jay is, he has always been a swagger jacker. Lack of consistent creativity and his fetish for trend following keep him from best ever in my opinion.
@@jamessaunders5554 he started putting kid Cudi on his albums, stealing from Kanye west, doing features with Coldplay Come on you know he hopping on other ppl swag when he put kid Cudi on his album
Jay z could never be considered the greatest rapper because everyone has their own opinion about who the greatest rapper is. You ask 10 different people who their favorite rapper is and you'll get 10 different answers.
@@malikgod Not really because I've heard many answers, people have said 2pac, Biggie, Rakim, KRS one, Kool G rap, Jadakiss, Nas, Kane, Big L, Kane. So like I said you ask 10 different people and you'll get 10 different answers.
@@donnelladams8362 that kinda is the same names you always hear. but no one says Kool g rap, or Jada is the greatest rapper of all time. they maybe a person favorite rapper
I agree Ceno I been saying this to Jay Z Stans for years I like Jays music a lot he's just not better then Nas Pac or Big he bites too much and isn't very creative there's so many Jay albums I don't care for I don't like blueprint 2 or 3 didn't like magna carta American Gangster was dope but like you said he had to steal the idea from the movie I agree completely💯
2PAC Is The Only Rapper That Has Prophesied About Black Life In America and Have It Still Apply To Our Life Today...Very Few Rappers Have Multiple Albums That Sticks As Well As 2PAC Albums Still Stick👈🏿#BIGFACTS
@@wojosquad4680 Jay Z Raps About Being a Billionaire Corporate Puppet aka Sellout.. While 2pac Spoke Out Against The Oppression Black People Suffer From as a Result Of Corporate Puppets aka Sellouts...Jay Z's No Threat To Them People!! He's a Fuckin 🤡😏😏😏
@James Anderson that's called being versatile like he said in what more can I say IM NOT A BITER IM A WRITER FOR MYSELF And OTHERS I SAY BIG VERSE IM ONLY BIGGIN UP MY BROTHER BIGGIN UP MY BORROW IM BIG ENOUGH TO DO IT IM THAT THARROW PLUS I NO MY OWN FLOW IS FOOLISH
Ceno buggin tho, Blueprint wasnt no compilation. He murdered the whole project. Jay was never almost done. Some projects did better than others but Jay has always been one of the best MCs since Reasonable Doubt.
@@only1geod His sound is unique, he might have showed respect to his predecessors by using a bar or 2 but his own flow was just as hot. Listen to "Renegade", "Brush Ya Shoulders off" "The Rulers Back'. He didn't sound like anyone in the game. 💯
Karceno is right,that CASHMONEY/RUFF RYDERS ERA AND TOUR,inside intel say he paid and lobbied to be apart of both albums,ruff ryders compilation,and Juvenile 400 Degreeez,as beanie said juvenile didn’t contact J that boy J went looking.same with Ross and Jeezy
50cent finally said it:he never really sold or had impact.u ride all the temporary impactful waves throughout the years,and just stay average,then years later...look the all fell off I’m still here I’m the goat,it’s genius.
Jarrel Ely facts are all them in they prime outsold him 400Degreez:5x platinum Vol.2 2x platinum Dmx flesh of my flesh/it’s dark 2 albums in the same year over 5xplatinium.he sold 10 million in 98 jay the only sold 2 Not talking about who you like or who can rap the best,he even knew they had the best impact that’s why jay is on juvenile 400 degrees when it’s sounds out of place,that’s why “What’s my name” by jay z is on ruff ryders 1st compilation.
Jay z is the g.o.a.t the reason why is he have a good body of work hip hop wise he delivers real rap music ya'll are crazy we talk about now days rappers where the beats are hard then their flow sounds like hate to me.
Bro you crazy to think that jayz is barely top 10 if so you don't know nothing about hip hop and look what his flow did for the culture almost every rapper after him want to be like hov facts.
He was never super innovative. He’ll take something others do and tweak it to fit him. But he’s never trailblazed anything in the genre. He’s really good but he ain’t no Ra. Kanye ranks him because he produces and writes. And Kanye would be lucky to make someone’s top 5
BIG NY If I had to guess 0. I know he writes his raps but I’ve never heard about him making tracks. Can u let me know if that’s inaccurate please. I thank you in advance
BIG NY I guess. Writing hooks and song structure is still WRITING!! It’s like comparing Stevie Wonder (Kanye in this debate) to Luther Vandross (Jay-z ). Yes Luther has a great catalog of music but it’s not as substances as Stevie. Hell Luther remade 2 Stevie songs(SONED)!!! Kanye is behind HALF of Jay-z’s hits. KANYE IS A BETTER MUSIC ARTIST THAN JAY-Z PERIOD). It’s marketing that got ppl holding dude up high. In the 90s he was hardly relevant because he was AVERAGE. After hip-hop died he said “I THE GREATEST “. 🤣mmm hmmm.
Nah Ceno. Jay is machiavellian for sure, and he's had some wack albums that didn't work for sure, but he's also had some flat out classics and a few certified masterpieces. Reasonable Doubt, The Blueprint: classic. BP 3 was killer. American Gangster and Magna Carta are outstanding albums. Watch The Throne is a MASTERPIECE. The Black Album: a masterpiece. His LATEST album 4:44 is a MASTERPIECE. And yeah, he's one of the best overall lyricists the game has produced. His lyrical skill is BANANAS. No true mc aficianado will dispute this. You my man 50 grand but duuuuude your bias and disdain for Hov completely blinds you sometimes bro.
@karceno u hv a huge point about JayZ mane. He is a rhyme biter, i remember he did me & my girlfriend song like pac did. To become relevant!! After pac died but it still wasnt authentic.. he got Beyonce to help that wave!°°
The first time I heard the expression The GOAT in rap was LL Cool J. Everybody's copying it since. Muhammed Ali said it first in sports. The fact that JayZ said he's like Ike Turner in Drunk Love and says "Eat the cake Anna Mae!" pisses me off
444 Was pretty good and original .If we look at Reasonable Doubt we find tracks were he is spitting on another dimension.He is very introspective and makes great references.
Jay's early music was great! Nas is the greatest MC in my opinion. And my favorite rapper of all time is prodigy.
I'm just mad that nobody ever gives "SCARFACE" his props!!!!!
Scarface is most definitely in my top ten with the exception of pac no rapper has more impactful lyrics than scarface
Pac & Face are my top 2 EVER!!!!
@@curljamz3905 that's a good choice during the nineties I always wanted to see pac and face collaboration glad it happened in August 96 a month before pac got killed
I do
I agree 100%
People think just because he have a lot of money he is the best but when it comes just to rap he cannot touch NAS
Most honest truth ever
Jay Z, Nicki, and LeBron will always be in the same boat to me. Media push made them seem better than what they are.
You have the right to your own opinion but jay is top five of all time and beast with the bars
Nah Jay is a good rapper it's just that all other rappers D ride him.
It makes him seem bigger than what he was.
@@encouraginglyauthentic43 it's not about dick riding any time the king of ny b.i.g at the time said he next in line for the crown all the top mcs says he nice
What nicki do😭
Not to mention when he brought Nas out on stage during one of his concerts. Even after Nas bodied him on Either. Jay will latch himself to whomever is hot at the time.
Nas was not hot past illmatic....ever.....illmatic was only hot because of Jay-Z......tf you talking about
Stop trolling. Nas is definitely one of the GOATS
Cam'Ron said it years ago. Hov be stealing from people
yeah i always liked cam and sensed that jay was jealous of cam because the streets really fucked with cam and dude had the swag jjay didnt have
Facts
Yes but he have skills tho
K. Ford 15 minutes of a song #swaggerjacker
ryanr20091 the streets fucked with jayz
Made songs for hustlers. Tf are you talking about. Jay was also never jealous of camron and camron never said that. Jay had a problem with dame and dame spitefully signed the dip set
Jay-Z definitely not the goat been saying this for years he got people fool 🤦🏾♂
Exactly
I won't say he's the GOAT but I will admit he's the smartest rapper as far as buisness and finessing situations he signs you then study you
That's not finesse that's snake shit: Jay stay wanting to be the only xigga up as if Black People who invent global culture don't need community; Sean Corey's arrogance is on a whole other level, and I don't find that shit admirable.
We ALL can and should eat good.
Facts 💯
Good one, you savage for that comment!
You will NEVER be able to call any rapper the greatest because you ask 100 different people and you will get 1000 different opinions on who the greatest is.
Nas
@@darabbi360 2pac
Most of them would say Rakim though.
@@reggaefan2700 Actually most would have a different opinion in general about this topic. Ive heard people say KRS one, Big L, Nas, Big daddy Kane, Jadakiss, Big Pun Biggie. Like Nas said in ether it ain't no best.
This is why I never debate or argue or play the list game because 1) none of is qualify to speak on the "A" and the "T" in GOAT: we haven't always lived as long as time and we will pass on from time at some point, so, no, not "Of All Time"; if anything "of my generation" or "of ____ era" or "of [fill in whatever year]". 2) ART IS SUBJECTIVE. Men get out of control with competition gor competition's sake sometimes; it is perfectly fine to say Jay Z doesn't do it for you but Lil Wayne or Bun B is everything--no one can refute that if Bun B got you through your baby father making a baby on you at the same time you pushed out or if Lil Wayne gave you the confidence to win the interest of the hardest to fucc bitch you ever seen.
Wayne never claimed best rapper ever. He claimed best rapper alive.
Ceno when you said “all J do is steal other rappers identity” I was done right there👍🏿. Jay-Z has been accused of stealing other rappers identity since his career started. At first J stole Biggie style and so fourth. That’s just like DMX and Ja Rule stealing 2pac look and style, I call the “Post PAC era” because once 2pac past a whole bunch of rappers stole 2pac steelo.
He really took young Chris style, give it to me was one of state property song he took and never paid him
X is nothing like PAC... at all.
So Hov can’t be the greatest rapper of all time cuz he has the same haircut as J. Cole, reinvented his sounded after a flop, and closed out an album series. Wow
Volume 2 is a straight compilation.
its also straight fire
Totally agree with you. Marketing hype made his image what it is today. He is very marketable. That's not to say he is the GOAT
The only thing Jay did "Right" that everyone else in The Roc did "Wrong" is play the game and take the devil's deal. I would like him a whole whole lot more of he didn't fuck up everyone else's good money just so his insecurities could be satisfied that he's superior.
@@0Lu.Lu0 Lulu you nailed with that. The only other things I would add is also don't like Jay Z's swagger jacking and the fact he into the occult shit
@@haydenphoenix3836 Yeah, he and Bey have that in common, he wasn’t lying about Big Pimpin’. I only just recently found out about about the weird culty shit he’s into-always knew about his history telling girls “take a ride with me.”, his job interview process. Entertainment is a filthy industry as a whole.
American Gangster was a very underrated album.
American Dreamin...I really like that album.
MY "AMERICAN NIGHTMARE" JOINT THAT ALL THA' MAINSTREAM RAPPERS PEEPED-OUT BEHIND THA' SCENES LAST YEAR TOPS THEM ALL!!! BELIEVE THAT!!! #FROMTHA'REALESTTALKINVENTOR!!!
Very.... top 5 Jay album for me 💯
That was my favorite album from Jay-Z
It went platinum
2pac number one all day
The number one fruity ballerina you mean 🤣🌈🧚♀️
Dmx > 2pac
Tupac wasn't even a number one pick in his ballet class 🤣🤣🤣
Yall really down playing pac cause he dissed ur favorite rapper
@@chaydenhardy3596 your favorite rapper got dissed by a real street crip and couldn't bounce back 🤣
There is no such thing as "The Greatest", but he is 1 of the greatest, his catalog speaks for itself, I know u dont like him Ceno but hey! 🐐
BAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH
What has catalogue compilations go to do with been a G.O.A.T.
Lil wayne has one too.
Dont talk to me about Wayne, they are totally 2 different artist, also where do you think Wayne got the title "Best Rapper Alive" from? Thanks!
His best albums is compilation albums seriously top five Mc’s and lyricist is 1 rakim 2 nas 3 biggie 4 jay 5 2pac and six Eminem I’m not talking about popularity or mainstream or commercial wise
Exactly
“ His manuscript just sound stupid when KRS already made an album called Blueprint! “ - Nas...Once Nas exposed Jay he fell out of the greatest of all time and top 5 convo IMO! 🤷🏿♂️
How? Hater....Who Progress? Who DIDN'T? Genius.... Make Sense ... There is NO Rapper That Has a Better RESUME or Achievements Than HOV! .... You Entitled to Like What You Like....Real People Know The TRUTH....if it's is NOT Him Than Who???????
You've been in this 10, I've been in it five; smarten up, Nas!
Four albums in 10 years, nigga? I could divide
That's one every... let's say two, two of them shits was doo
One was "nah...," the other was Illmatic
That's a one-hot-album-every-10-year average
And that's so (Lame)
@@eddiedelarge12that resume is dotted with booboo and stolen lyrics and concepts. Not borrowed, jacked. Nas catalogue just in the past 6 yrs eclipses whatever Jay z thought he was doing past blueprint 3
I agree with you 100%. He’s good at manipulation.
Yup but he got skills
Jay-Z looks like a turnt up Jamaican Artist.😂
😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
He looks like tony mattheron here
Jay-Z made moves like a drug dealer AND a hustler would make - clever, under- handed, shady, clever, resourceful and enterprising.
Also a deadbeat father but this is who folks look up too why it's he all on tv why aren't they speaking about how he neglected his daughter for 28yrs it's hush hush on that but they gave r Kelly hell because he was behind on child support this shit is full of favoritism
T M stop believing blogs.
@@TM-ht9qp ridiculous comment!
@@TM-ht9qp R Kelly is also a pedophile.
He was NEVER the greatest rapper of all time to me. If DOC never lost his voice who knows how big he would've been. If Tupac never died who knows how many Diamond selling albums he could have made.If DMX kept himself sober long enough to realize he had momentum and fire in his hand in the 2000s who knows how good his catalog would've turned out(catalog is still good) plus no matter how successful Jay z is he can never erase the L that was ether.
Exactly
Big Facts. Tupac short time period still affect the culture today.
Dmx would've even destroyed 2pac
@@merlinsantana6371 DMX vs 2Pac epic Boosie said he cried when he seen DMX in concert that's crazy
@Jamaal Davis this man said X wasn’t on Hov’ level!!?? My guy X was the biggest act in music after flesh of my flesh came out. Jay- Z even now has never been as big as dmx on a mainstream level. Where is Hov’s Hollywood blockbusters at? Two #1 albums in one year, boy you need to stop
So the first minutes is doing exactly what your claimin Jay doing witch is trying to convince ppl that your point is valet .....
*Valid*
Which
Exactly
Jay up there but he not the one, specially after Pac blown him out..
Is salt n pepa up there
@Jamaal Davis
2pac vs Est(3×dope)? Who's best
You mean Ether wtf
@@sunsetvest3048 did Nas know Jay-z & Jaz-o in 88 like in ether
Wait after pac blown him out that sounded kinda suspect my guy 😂😂😂😂😂
Nas is the greatest rapper. “If I ruled the world” meant something to every black person and is a example of the kind of music we need to listen too. Their is no song in hip hop history that touches the soul like this one. And his 1st couple albums can only be compared to Biggie or PAC.
I love Nas...But Fight the Power is the most important song in Hip Hop history.
There is no greatest rapper, there's too many different preferences.
@@WaynePainn Yeah u buggin
Fam I tried to tell people that argue nas isn’t the greatest or at best top 2 that if I ruled the world is one of the main reasons if you just sit back and listen to how he shares on how his interpretation of a perfect world would be like is phenomenal then to make it extra dope he shows his love and respect to some of the forefathers of hip hop kurtis blow with the hook and whodini with the sample and the beautiful Lauren hill another revolutionary top 2 female emcee ever singing the hook this is the definition of a perfect hip hop song I’m sorry nothing JAY-Z, B.I.G., pac, em or anybody ever spit is better then the second verse of this song nothing
@@jemelmoore7329 Summer of 89 that song was banging every where. Do The Right Thing was out.
Jay was a nobody in the golden era of hip hop
Nah, he was just too busy already doing an independent run. Creating leverage and doing partnerships with labels. He also has been around since the 80's .
He was hustlin' during that time... came into the game late after he already made bread and started a company.
@@Willie_Stark You're proving my point Jay wasn't doing none of that Jaz showed him the game then Dame was taking care of all the business you just made that shit up in your head
@@KtotheG He was hustling because his music wasn't good enough to make money
What golden era are you talking about?
Jay-Z's lyrics are extremely clever
Very clever!!!
Agree
@Corintha Bridges that's all he ever talked about...
@Corintha Bridges Facts..i like his music and he is in my top 3 rapper alive but hey..Jay brags alot as fuck..i get bored sometimes
He is clever but he's not a G.O.A.T.!!! #Fact
Jayz too damn commercial. He hasn't had a hot line in decades. His. Content is forced. Rappers like tupac, nas common, scarface, a tribe called quest de la soul there content carries so much substance. Jayz first album reasonable doubt is his only real classic.
I disagree he has way more classic albums people just hate because he successful or very mainstream
@Jamaal Davis yeah I agree and the dynasty album got bangers that’s a classic to state property still get show money cause that album had bangers
@@jordanthomas8540 it really hate is from criticism
Jay hasn’t done anything to shift the culture...he definitely follows the trends. I was done when Jay started rapping like the Migos over Future trap beats. I wanna see Jay step outside of his comfort zone and be creative.
He'll never do that he has that if ain't broke don't fix it mentality that's why i like Kanye as the better artist because he takes risks even tho Jay-Z is the better rapper between those two
I was done when he did DOA then started doin auto tune lol smh great lyrics no goat
What is 4:44 and The Carter Albums?
You won't hear X say that. He'll say J is nice.
i dont think they are buddies anymore
X said nice, which doesn't qualify as the goat. X is more creative and talented than j periodt.
@@TeenaDavis101 I love Dmx but X is very one dimensional to me. Jay z is a more well rounded artist to me
@@slowburnraloh1807 go back and listen to X albums then listen to J albums back to back and you'll see its easy X albums were way better. J is nice though
@@ynot9736 not to mention X only got 3 albums I can listen to all the way through
Jay standing next to J. Cole like yo ima get that hairstyle too
"after the black album, you will be very pressed to find a Jay-Z album that was even good after that" that's laughable lol I can make a case that American Gangster album was his second best album he ever dropped
Reasonable doubt and blueprint but America gangster was tight
American gangsta was 🔥 🔥🔥🔥
I wouldn't say it was his second best but I think it was a legitimate 4 mic album
Hello vol 1- vol 3 is wayyyy better
That album sucked dawg. Roc Boyz and I pray was biggie's throw away records that he had for life after death.
Lets not forget when Outkast was gonna have the #1 album and he called a emergency meeting and had his people move units to a warehouse to get #1
😨 dang when was this
@@Jac735 it was in a Jet or a magazine i think when Elevaters imma check
Big daddy krs and Kool g rap may be above them
There u go, finally somebody talking with sense🙏🏽👍🏽
True I just mentioned KGR will bury fif if it's about rapping with a lysp G rap will make fif look stupid
I'm treating rap like the corner/fuck with me if you wanna/ my raps changed but my mind frame remains the same/ I gotta protect what is mine - Jay-z come and get me 99'
My top 10 reason Jay is not the GOAT:
10. Blueprint 2
9. Blueprint 3
8. KINGDOM COME
7. Swagger Jacker - (Cam exposed Jay stealing lines over his career)
6. BIGGIE > JayZ
5. Nas
4. LL
3. KANE
2. RAKIM
1. Pac
I like JayZ but the ppl in the top 6 have music that ecsplices JayZ 🎶 🎵
I agree and I actually like a lot of Jay Z's music.
I think Jay has better music over an extended period than LL, Kane and Rakim...
LL has 2 classic albums and one very good album... a whole bunch of hit singles, but a whole bunch of album flops, too... after the early '90s, he became boring.
Kane has one classic album and one good album... he tried to be a lover/playboy like LL and came out sounding way corny... he's definitely an architect like LL for his '80s output, but his overall career is pretty bland.
Rakim has 3 classic albums with Eric B., but a lackluster solo career... he and Kane had the best two songs on the Juice soundtrack, though, but after Let the Rhythm Hit Em, his career kinda tapered off to me.
Jay has one bonafide classic and 2 arguable classic albums, so 1-3 classics, depending on who you ask.. he also has several good albums and several mediocre albums... his output is greater than the others because he released 10 albums in like 10 years... he also has a slew of hit singles and he has been able to remain relevant over 3 different decades, which is something that the other MCs on your list failed to do
Blueprint 2 was hard kingdom come ify blueprint 3 ify but resonabl doubt classic vol 1 classic vol 3 classic blueprint 1 classic black album classic only 2 contesting hov pen is big and big L .... Big L didn't get to drop a album but you can tell from the 97 freestyle hov and big got they styles from him ready to die big got busy but life after has never been touched and that was 97 which is. Why i say hov to rich to get ahead of these waves cause big and hov obviously got hold of that style before big L got to use it but hov was fone sign him before he died and big probably wanted to atleast put him on so its not a mark against them for it
@@bigchase1439 Big Ls 1st album had JayZ on there
Blueprint 3 was dope Sonically and lyrically
JZ is ok.but not the goat he is a good businessman and that's it.
He is the goat hater
U clearly don't kno music..👎👎
@@Victor-cr3xi all time #1 is scarface..hov in top 3..
💯💯💯💯💯💯💯💯
He saw he had to reintroduce himself to the masses to the younger people when he came back and he has grown as a person with every album he talks about it he taught this generation of rappers to become the best hustler not just the best rapper or m.c. even his biggest personal issues he made a album out of it 4:44 😂😂...only people I wouldn't argue over him is nas or em after pac and b.i.g. obviously..but nobody can pump out 13 album without growing as a person and talking about it every album to me that's one of many reasons why the best to me..he told people he was coming to be the best and he did
Facts, people just wanna hear JAY rhyme a bunch of random bars, and he even said in a interview, he can do that all day, but that’s not enough to do an album, he raps real content and subject matter, people just hate and choose not to respect his growth. 🐐
We tell em to grow as artists and then once they out grow us we don't wanna listen no more 😂🤷♂️
@@StevenEskridge6003 the argument is he the goat or not and i can give you better names . hes arguably top 10 but hes not top 5 because of his swagga jacking ways unoriginality . he got spanked by nas in 01got murdered by eminem on his own track lol.he got scared of jadakiss so he lets beans fight his battle. i would argue 50cent was better and it doesnt sound ridiculous lol
@@718NIGGA listen jayz got ethered so he can never be the goat and hip hop heads will never forget that . his content is other peoples content and nobody real knows who he is as an emcee because hes taken from so many legends
@@ryanr20091 Ok you cappin with 50. 50 is an average rapper with amazing production from Dre and Aftermath.
444 is his best album to date Jay z started popping in the early 2000s
Stop playing lol
History will remember Jay’s business acumen more than his music
GB GB you might be right too bro, I’m just saying, MJ said he would be remembered more for his sneakers than his playing career, and that’s true.
even his business acumen is someone else's business acumen G.
@@ad5000moe Exactly, Jay learned from Dame and Lyor Cohen. Im not sure Jay would have done half of what he did without them.
@@ricosalvaje5802 everybody learns from somebody else but y are they not as big as jay ? Hatin is bad for you
@@kirkwynn6219 Jay would never be where he is without using other artist flows, ideas or styles. Take your Jay z worship somewhere else
100% in agreement with you, I told cats after the black album it's been hit and miss,and he could have straight combined that double CD
Jay will never be the greatest because he will never be better than Big!!!!
Facts
Big ain’t the Goat. Rip Pac.
You cannot be even in the GOAT convo with only two whole albums to your credit and Pac only had 2 great albums
I concur Jay Z follows the blueprint Biggie layed
@@ljvue Lyrically Pac not even better then Big or Kool G Rap
Nas is the 🐐
Or Tupac it's between them two...
Big
Nas is A Goat , Not thee Goat , thats Tupacs title still
Naturalox x pac wasn’t as versatile nor was he lyrically on Nas level, stop D riding
@@YUNGFRESH25bklyn versatile gtfoh lmao ? What other rapper got the ladies got the mothers loving him ? Got the gangstas and the hood loving him , has respect from conscious rappers like Chuck d+ Common Plus is a bonifide movie star? That's the definition of versatility UR dead WRONG today + twice on Sunday, Not that Nas doesn't have some those things but he's not the Global icon 2pac is
2PAC is the G.O.A.T period
Factz
Can't be the GOAT with one flow
Nas
Gotta throw Rakim in there
@@AceSinna can be the goat with timeless classic songs
Karceno you are right they are always putting him and Biggie up together I would not say he is not a top 5 rapper because he is but when people put him better then big I ask them what jayz album can step on ready to die
Black album on that level
The Dynasty was his only greatest album compared to all of his other albums... even though he copied Pac words Money over bitches.. he definitely copied Pacs style on that Dynasty album 💯💯💯💯💯💯💯
You sound like a real block, I’m give you this one for free. A great rapper said this verse” no idea is original, there’s nothing new under the sun”. You can’t be mad at the man for perfecting his craft. I can respect you more by saying you don’t like him. Just keep it there.
I can feel the disdain in his voice. What has he done for the culture "Trasheno"
Jay worships the goat..
Eat ish bih
I know what you mean but the weak minded can't fathom it.
Who?
Yes... The Bophamet
You sound stupid.
Rip 2pac.
And Big, Big L and Pun
Eff that weak school of the arts ballerina..hed be no match for dmx 🤣🌈🧚♀️
Please tell me how kingdom come selling 680,000 copies the first week is a failure? It went gold in one week.
He did not have a hit record off that album. To recover the budget and bring the money back plus profit u need a hit record or records.
@@EHN2024 bro, the album sold 2.5 million copies. That times $15 for the album is around $37 million.
Stats dont lie
@@TheBigtrav1 sound like a double platinum album to me.
@@TheBigtrav1 that's great but did he get all of that 37 mil and did he have a hit record on that album???
His 3 best albums are pretty much dolo Reasonable 444 Blueprint
Imagine Will Smith on Reasonable doubt?
Blue print weak
His best album by far to me was the blueprint and reasonable doubt
I agree and have been saying this for years, Jay's best attribute is riding the coat tails of whatever is popular to stay relevant. He's a good rapper, has classic albums but he's never been the goat imo!
Are you a drake fan?
Bs
Ppl just can’t accept there are ppl who like the things they don’t
Oh Ceno you was buggin on this one. I was with you all the way til you got to the 3 minute mark and said Jay hasn’t had a good album since Black album. Yea you got something personal going on with Jay to even think that was true. American Gangster is a top 5 Jay album bruh. And 4:44 was dope too 🤨
Damn Ceno You Just Dismantled Jay’s Whole Career In 13 Mins 😂😂😂
He is definitely one of the best, but when you are talking about the best it is all matter of opinion.
Lexington Luger a - Yep it differs person to person.
Jay Z changed his style (rapping fast) to slowing his style down after nas dropped illmatic. He then stole camp lo beat, big died he took some of his rhymes. Took young Chris style and blocked him. Calvin Klein, deHaven has more stories of Jay swagger Jagger in my Cam'ron voice
I been saying that
Hov got the catalog...music .songs..hits...cmon man...cmon..wit the fuckery.....sto hating on da nigga....he checks all the boxes..n doesn't write shit down...cmon ..classic album..dope production...n etc.....wtf...he skill speaks 4 self..a 🐐🐐💯
@@jamaaldavis6456 Jay is good but he has major strikes against him from stealing from biggie and taking alot from Nas and then beefing with and losing the battle with Nas. Jay did alot of snake stuff in the game and it really made people look at him funny.
He swagger jacked feeling it plus he took i guess I got my swagger back song from Naam Brigade sw philly sheesh he was set trippin
Feeling it Camp Lo plus he took armarettos style
Jay Z is better than 50 cent don't @ me
NAw he suck 50 can make songs
@@nickp8670 50 is good but not better than Jay Z 50 cent is overrated a lot of what he rap is the same he does get deep at time but majority of what rap is the same I sell drugs I'll kill, despite being very rich I'll still kill, hey girl let me get em up jeans
50 sucks
Deundre Kid I think 50 is a better rapper than Jay imo but you got a point 50 raps about the same 4 or 3 things Guns,money,drugs and how he will kill a mf but I’ll still bump 50 over Jay any day.
Deundre Kid The thing I find very strange about Jays career vs 50s career is that 50s worst albums sold more than Jays best albums so you mean to tell me more people was buying 50s albums over jay but Jay is supposed to be this God MC that everybody in hip-hop shows respect to idk bro I never understood that the top 3 or 5 MCs in hip-hop according to the general hip-hop fan is Jay,Em,Nas,Biggie,2PAC and 50 has sold more albums than Jay Nas and Biggie and according to most people those rappers are leagues above 50 lol but then why ain’t all these people that put them in there top 5s buying there albums ik album’s sales don’t equate to you being a good rapper but it definitely shows the support of your fans 50 sold more albums/records than Nas and Jay by his second album that’s crazy to me honestly I feel like Jay is overrated 50 always been a better rapper than Jay imo I feel like 50 would be up there with Nas Jay Biggie and PAC if he didn’t beef with so many rappers and people behind the scenes he burned too many bridges.
Do YOU listen to music or do you jus skim thru IT?? -Hov
his music so bad u got to skim thru it. no cap
This is coming from the same guy who says Isiah Thomas is the greatest player of all time.........
He ain't say that lmaooooo
He's okay. I never saw anything outstanding about his rapping. It's all hype. If a money machine got behind u and Bribing most of the radio stations.
You'd be considered great. Most rappers are fools and so are most of the people listening to it. What positive do u get out of it but ignorance
Thank you Ceno for real people need to learn that
This video was purely subjective. There was no persuasive argument given. The dead air was deafening
Only Blind folks said that, jay z was never and will never be the Goat
Jay is the LeBron James of the rap game. He needed help from many ppl and the industry to get to a top level status. Plus too many rappers were at the top and above him during his popular years as a rapper. 2pac, Nas, Beanie Siegel, Eminem, Drake, Wayne,etc.
Other then PAC jay was bigger then everybody you named he didn't need anybody to shine he went toe to toe with the 🐐 big and held his own twice once hard knock life dropped it was over top dog 🐕 for years
Nigga what 😂🤦🏾♂️ LeBron plays a TEAM sport. Where you need a team to win. No great player wins alone. Jay Z is in the rap game. Two completely different things.
@@seanhennsey2605you're lying to yourself. Jay has never been the hottest rapper of the year. ever.
@@MFjaYWiLL man cut the jokes what rapper since his has done a cross country tour you can't do that if you not the hottest rapper it don't matter anybody you no or claim was hotter then him in any I guarantee to you he better then song for song bar for bar catalog for catalog FACT'S
Nas for the win
my first album had no famous guest appearances. the outcome... I'm crowned the best lyricist - nas
😂
greyfoxblade what’s funny lyricist and mc’c 1 rakim 2 nas 3 biggie 4 jay five 2pac
American Gangster was produced by Puffy as well, and Vol1 performed better than Reasonable Doubt
Vol 1 performed better that Reasonable Doubt because of Tupac dissing him.
@@stankyrandySo you gonna lie? Smh
Jay z has the longevity award was around for years
No LL Cool J does
You’re right, BAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH
So has dirt. Who cares.
Key word WAS🙌🏽
Not Jay then who?
LL COOL J NAS 2pac Biggie Rakim Can all make song on their own and stand off there own energy
You gotta look at how far he’s gone in the business as well unfortunately pac and biggie didn’t get the chance to excel in the music business then spring off to clothing alcohol and the list goes on his the goat what you saying and I’m not a jay z fan I definitely respect and admire how he’s grabbed a hold of his life and own it bro you buggin
@@papicryptocraven797 what does business have to do with rapping the title is Jay is not the greatest rapper
@@Karceno4Life 2pac is not a elite lyricist.
@@BigShotMartin doesn't have to be an elite lyricist, Pac is #1 in basically everything else except sales.
I have a question for anyone who was around when masta ace on the symphony said "Never will I ever condone biting in any form"
How does Jay-Z get a pass every time for biting peoples lyrics?
(This is a younger guy asking this btw)
Drake does it
@@steppababynupe That doesn't answer the question
@@JayBabyEars very good and true question. And I also respect it coming from a younger guy that can quote Master Ace, shows your a student of the genre.
It's like a rapper having ghostwriters, ppl feel that's not being a true rap artist cause you're not creatively coming up with writing any material. Not everybody has that talent. Does that not make you a good rapper? It's like the pretty girl who when she opens her mouth is ugly cause she mad ghetto!! Does that still make her face not pretty?
@@TheTrut416 I see your point, but the reason I posed that question is to see where in hip hop did biting become less of an offense, because Jay has bitten lines verbatim, and nobody bats an eye, I'm not saying Jay isn't nice, because he is, I can sit up here and quote Jay-Z lines and verses all day long. His impact can't be denied. But in my opinion he's overrated due to how uncreative he's proven to be, yes there are emcees who aren't that creative but you don't see them put on the high pedistal that Jay is put on. Again, Jigga is nice but I just don't see how people can bypass him biting people, but let that be anyone else, it's gonna be a crucifixion on the rise
If yall gonna go at jay for biting, go at other rappers because they do the same shit
Blueprint 3 was designed to launch Roc Nation which is why he choose those features, it was palatable to the masses.
I’m not a Jay-Z fan and have never been. I like a couple of his songs from time to time. But never the G.O.A.T. Never. I agree wit you 100%
One of my main reasons is that I never heard a PRO BLACK or Socially Conscious song from him. Like a P.E., Tupac, or old Ice Cube song. Granted, I never listened to all his albums though.
What's Free an My President is Black an others just off the head
That’s A Stupid “Main Reason” to Not Like him Lol
I agree. As great a rapper that Jay is, he has always been a swagger jacker. Lack of consistent creativity and his fetish for trend following keep him from best ever in my opinion.
What swag did he jack. Bruh been a trendsetter for a while. Button ups, not puttin rims on ya whips, the yankee cap. Come on
@@jamessaunders5554 he started putting kid Cudi on his albums, stealing from Kanye west, doing features with Coldplay
Come on you know he hopping on other ppl swag when he put kid Cudi on his album
Jay z could never be considered the greatest rapper because everyone has their own opinion about who the greatest rapper is. You ask 10 different people who their favorite rapper is and you'll get 10 different answers.
nah, kinda always hear the same names
@@malikgod Not really because I've heard many answers, people have said 2pac, Biggie, Rakim, KRS one, Kool G rap, Jadakiss, Nas, Kane, Big L, Kane. So like I said you ask 10 different people and you'll get 10 different answers.
@@donnelladams8362 that kinda is the same names you always hear. but no one says Kool g rap, or Jada is the greatest rapper of all time. they maybe a person favorite rapper
@@malikgod I've heard people say jada, Eminem, Rahim, Kane.
@@donnelladams8362 I've heard Rakim name mentioned before! the other 3 never.
My top 10
1. Pac
2. Nas
3. Pun
4. Scarface
5. Dmx
6. Common
7. Cube
8. Ghostface
9. Raekwon
10. Biggie
Why is Biggie a 10? That ain't right.
No styles p?
@@jeanemlicar no fresh prince?
@@jarrelely1126 I'm a big Styles P fan but it's very rare to see in a top ten
I know DMX in the conversation for sure
I think other artists kiss his ass because he has all that power and he can black ball TF out of you period!
Your J Cole reference is soooo right, J jacked that boy's whole style as usual. Wish this 1 was longer cause u aint spittin nothin but facts ✔
I absolutely agree with you...
I'm a big Jay fan but a person have to see that he do other people styles....
And thats not even on some, "Oh I'm a creative chameleon." It really is that he just don't got it like that.
And on another, simpler note: Rap was a better hustle than drugs (that's how we got Ice-T who was straight pimpin').
Ceno you broke that down in true fashion. You enlighten through knowledge.
Wayne said he was the best rapper alive which became obvious
After American Gangster it was over for Jay...
I agree Ceno I been saying this to Jay Z Stans for years I like Jays music a lot he's just not better then Nas Pac or Big he bites too much and isn't very creative there's so many Jay albums I don't care for I don't like blueprint 2 or 3 didn't like magna carta American Gangster was dope but like you said he had to steal the idea from the movie I agree completely💯
Plus kingdom come was wack besides two tracks lost ones and show me what you got was ok
I agree with you
richboy23258 the whole kingdom come album came out of nowhere
Foh
2PAC Is The Only Rapper That Has Prophesied About Black Life In America and Have It Still Apply To Our Life Today...Very Few Rappers Have Multiple Albums That Sticks As Well As 2PAC Albums Still Stick👈🏿#BIGFACTS
Jay>>2 Pac Change My Mind
@@wojosquad4680 Jay Z Raps About Being a Billionaire Corporate Puppet aka Sellout.. While 2pac Spoke Out Against The Oppression Black People Suffer From as a Result Of Corporate Puppets aka Sellouts...Jay Z's No Threat To Them People!! He's a Fuckin 🤡😏😏😏
Time to talk about Ghostface
Kool moe Dee said Lauryn hill better than ghost and he wasn't top 50?
The Blueprint is a classic! I"m not even a Jay fan... but that album was nice. However, He wants to be the GOAT cause LLCOOL J is truly the GOAT
How
man, that damn album was overrated. yall Jay-Z stans need to knock it off. is it one of his better ones? of course. but come on.
I didn't see your reply I posted the same thing LL was a monster
Ll not fucking with Jay
@James Anderson that's called being versatile like he said in what more can I say
IM NOT A BITER IM A WRITER
FOR MYSELF And OTHERS
I SAY BIG VERSE IM ONLY BIGGIN UP
MY BROTHER BIGGIN UP MY BORROW
IM BIG ENOUGH TO DO IT
IM THAT THARROW
PLUS I NO MY OWN FLOW IS FOOLISH
Ceno buggin tho, Blueprint wasnt no compilation. He murdered the whole project. Jay was never almost done. Some projects did better than others but Jay has always been one of the best MCs since Reasonable Doubt.
Facts..💯
Reasonable Doubt - Nas flow
Volume 1 - Biggie flow
Volume 2 - State Property flow etc. He's a CULTURE VULTURE. Never been #1
@@only1geod state property wasn't nowhere around in '98 idiot.....hov a 🐐
Quit hating......😂😂😂😂
@@only1geod His sound is unique, he might have showed respect to his predecessors by using a bar or 2 but his own flow was just as hot. Listen to "Renegade", "Brush Ya Shoulders off" "The Rulers Back'. He didn't sound like anyone in the game. 💯
Karceno is right,that CASHMONEY/RUFF RYDERS ERA AND TOUR,inside intel say he paid and lobbied to be apart of both albums,ruff ryders compilation,and Juvenile 400 Degreeez,as beanie said juvenile didn’t contact J that boy J went looking.same with Ross and Jeezy
50cent finally said it:he never really sold or had impact.u ride all the temporary impactful waves throughout the years,and just stay average,then years later...look the all fell off I’m still here I’m the goat,it’s genius.
Jarrel Ely facts are all them in they prime outsold him
400Degreez:5x platinum Vol.2 2x platinum
Dmx flesh of my flesh/it’s dark 2 albums in the same year over 5xplatinium.he sold 10 million in 98 jay the only sold 2
Not talking about who you like or who can rap the best,he even knew they had the best impact that’s why jay is on juvenile 400 degrees when it’s sounds out of place,that’s why “What’s my name” by jay z is on ruff ryders 1st compilation.
@karceno where do you place pac?
6 ft. Under where he got slumped down🤣
jayz multiplatinum catlog speaks for itself few are in his category,he is one of the greatest.
Jay z is the g.o.a.t the reason why is he have a good body of work hip hop wise he delivers real rap music ya'll are crazy we talk about now days rappers where the beats are hard then their flow sounds like hate to me.
jay z barely top 10
Bro you crazy to think that jayz is barely top 10 if so you don't know nothing about hip hop and look what his flow did for the culture almost every rapper after him want to be like hov facts.
And he did it all with out a pen only other rapper who could do that was biggie rap like they wrote they shit.
I haven't listened to Jay z since blueprint 1and 2 albums and the black album.
He was never super innovative. He’ll take something others do and tweak it to fit him. But he’s never trailblazed anything in the genre. He’s really good but he ain’t no Ra. Kanye ranks him because he produces and writes. And Kanye would be lucky to make someone’s top 5
Do you know how many songs jayz produced and has written
BIG NY
If I had to guess 0. I know he writes his raps but I’ve never heard about him making tracks. Can u let me know if that’s inaccurate please. I thank you in advance
Lol damn you know producing isn't just the beats its lyrics and hooks look at the credits on songs and then tel me if im inaccurate
Lol kanye dont write lol he has a ton of ghost writers where have you been ????
BIG NY I guess. Writing hooks and song structure is still WRITING!! It’s like comparing Stevie Wonder (Kanye in this debate) to Luther Vandross (Jay-z ). Yes Luther has a great catalog of music but it’s not as substances as Stevie. Hell Luther remade 2 Stevie songs(SONED)!!! Kanye is behind HALF of Jay-z’s hits. KANYE IS A BETTER MUSIC ARTIST THAN JAY-Z PERIOD). It’s marketing that got ppl holding dude up high. In the 90s he was hardly relevant because he was AVERAGE. After hip-hop died he said “I THE GREATEST “. 🤣mmm hmmm.
Cam been put Jay-Z on blast for rhyme stealing even made a song about it he's great but no goat
@KingLeo80 that's not the point. Jay claimed to be the greatest but got exposed. In fact, Nas exposed him first.
Nah Ceno. Jay is machiavellian for sure, and he's had some wack albums that didn't work for sure, but he's also had some flat out classics and a few certified masterpieces. Reasonable Doubt, The Blueprint: classic. BP 3 was killer. American Gangster and Magna Carta are outstanding albums. Watch The Throne is a MASTERPIECE. The Black Album: a masterpiece. His LATEST album 4:44 is a MASTERPIECE. And yeah, he's one of the best overall lyricists the game has produced. His lyrical skill is BANANAS. No true mc aficianado will dispute this. You my man 50 grand but duuuuude your bias and disdain for Hov completely blinds you sometimes bro.
Pac and Nas are the goats point blank period.
Pac is a natural born ballerina while nas is a real rapper
Dmx bodies both of them lames
Rakim, KRS, G Rap, Kane?
@@FYourOpinions I'm only responding to you because it seems like you have sense. Pac and Nas indoctrinated their styles and transfomed it.
@karceno u hv a huge point about JayZ mane. He is a rhyme biter, i remember he did me & my girlfriend song like pac did. To become relevant!! After pac died but it still wasnt authentic.. he got Beyonce to help that wave!°°
The first time I heard the expression The GOAT in rap was LL Cool J. Everybody's copying it since. Muhammed Ali said it first in sports. The fact that JayZ said he's like Ike Turner in Drunk Love and says "Eat the cake Anna Mae!" pisses me off
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Tina mother sold her but no one says nothing about that
I never saw what the big phenomenon is, Garbage M.C
How you feel about fresh prince?
444 Was pretty good and original .If we look at Reasonable Doubt we find tracks were he is spitting on another dimension.He is very introspective and makes great references.
Ether🔥
He'll never be the Greatest rapper of All-time because he was never as good as Tupac, Nas or Biggie.
Agree
Or DOOM
Tupac wasn't even as good as d shipp jr. Who played him 🤣