Oldheads an trueheads under this comment put the beats used at certain points of the video along with timestamps (extra points if you understand the connection between that beat and that section. The first real one is at around the 17 min mark.
I will always remember that tweet about Kendrick being that type of guy who's watching you the other side of the street and vanishes when a bus passes by
One that stuck with me was an image of Jason with a machete saying that was Kendrick on his way to the studio for any reason lol. When I was first listening to his verse on J Cole's song for Black Friday, the fire alarm legit went off in my building 😂. The universe was speaking that day.
i love that j cole somehow kind of lit the fuse and was entirely unscathed. he showed up to work, clocked out, and the next morning there was a drake-shaped crater in the hallway
@@hweheheh memes about him living in peace weren't dragging him. the grippy issue is unrelated and would've been something he had to deal with regardless.
@@TheDreamerBelle i will peform the ways of ancient beggars PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE PLEAE PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE
Lmao, real. Like walking outside and hearing there's been a month long standoff between your neighbors and the FBI while you were chilling eating fruity pebbles
It's both endearing that this phenomenon is happening still but sad also because it means the curriculum hasn't managed to be inspiring enough to be interesting
@@cathl4953it's very difficult to make a cookie cutter curriculum that will meaningfully engage most students. It's impossible to make one that engages all of them. The whole system needs to move away from farming for test scores and back toward actually teaching kids, but every parent is going to have a unique idea of what subjects are more important.
It’s all about what the kids are interested in, it’s not that they’re dumb. Smart teachers utilized this beef to actually get their students working and bump up grades because the way students were breaking down the symbolism and double entendres was beautiful.
Looking back it’s safe to say the “big three” line was most offensive to Kendrick because it made him realize people could not tell the difference between him and Drake. Every Kendrick release in this beef was an effort to demonstrate why that was repulsive to him and hopefully ensure it could never happen again.
You're absolutely right. I think he heard it and he opened a safe behind the wall in his office and pulled out a file that said "Operation Wingclip". I still have to think he had this in his back pocket for years and waited for a justifiable moment to strike out.
holy shit you're right. he witnessed people being lulled by drake for years. and all that seething anger over the culture's shift finally bubbled over when cole said those words 💀
As someone from Toronto, I can't thank you enough for mentioning how weird Drake's invented accent is to us. He uses our slang, from time, mandem, cheesed, ahlie, etc but says it like he's from the non-existant Boston part of Atlanta.
It is SO surreal. And going through high school in his peak OVO era there a few years ago every child who could even claim South African ancestry was doing it and... Idk man it was just nasty. I live in the fields outside of Barrie, man. These bumpkin kids had no right 🤣
Fr tho, finding out he named his cat crodie proved to me that he did not come to those words in any authentic way and rather is just using them to propagate a certain aesthetic.
The fact that Drake texted Kai Cenat to "stay on stream" for the release of Family Matters, only for Kai to also stream the release of Meet the Grahams.... insert here the Palpatine meme "ironic isn't it?"
Thing is, it was like that for literally every single music streamer. Look at the archived streams now, or look up stream reaction videos here on UA-cam, literally all of them are in the middle of talking about Family Matters because of course they're talking about that, what the fuck else would they be talking about, when Meet The Grahams drops and the their chat freaks out and everyone forgets about the Drake song. It's diabolical. It's 100% on purpose. Kung Fu Kenny busts out the judo, using the force of his enemy's well-documented social media antics against him. I'd respect it if I wasn't scared for my life.
@@clementinedanger oh for sure, I have seen the compilation videos. But the thing is that Drake texted Kai specifically and it back fired beautifully. As far as I've seen Drake didn't text any other streamer. Though I might be wrong about that, maybe I haven't looked enough. The only other one who would have known is Akademiks, but it is not as funny as Drake texting Kai, Kai showing the text on stream, and having it work against him in the end.
As a Black Canadian you hit everything about Canada and Hip-Hop. Drake really hasn't done anything to properly build and cultivate a culture and music identity up here but then claims the city as his. It's really weird and disappointing. Proof of this is just in the way that Kendrick was able to lean on the west coast, Drake couldn't really do with us up here.
exactly this!! people own twitter were arguing about how OVO are responsible for creating some sort of “sound” for canadian hip hop, yet if Drake was forced to lean on that “sound” what would it really be? & who from outside of Canada is really imitating that style like other places across the world?
It’s why I find it weird when Canadians are siding with Drake. He doesn’t sound at all authentic, unlike Kendrick and being from Compton. (Lived in Toronto until recently.)
This Is Not A Drake Podcast touches on this and how buried black Canadian art is up here. It’s crazy how even with CanCon rules and shit Black artists have to go down to America and explode in popularity there to find any sort of big recognition outside of underground and separated scenes in the big cities. Drake could’ve changed that. He could’ve done more to pay his dues to the African/Carribean immigrants he steals his accents from, the black canadian radios that first played his music. But nope
The fact that Drake’s most critically acclaimed album is predominantly the work of the Weekend speaks volumes. What’s worse is him downplaying the Weekend’s contribution.
@@nevermind.abbs7Very lucky bc I would have NEVER gave half of my first album to him bc huh 😅. Thank god he did not "sign his life away" to Drake and end up in those OVO sweatshops like the other Canadians ghostwritters (Partynextdoor, Majid Jordan...)
I'm gonna need a follow-up analysis post GNX drop and Drake UMG/Spotify court application because THE SAGA CONTINUES. Dying to hear your analysis within the context of HipHop Culture.
Oh my god. I got an hour in and realized Drake is the in real life version of Syndrome. He met his heroes and they almost all didn't like him so he turned into a villain set out to take everyone down.
After almost two hours of "To the credit of Drake....", "I think people who hate Drake for _this_ reason are wrong..." and "Drake actually has merit here...", throwing out the "Drake sucks, he's vapid and if he's your favourite rapper you probably suck a too" is absolutely hilarious, I love it.
One thing people overlooked is the fact that Drake literally called Whitney a bitch for no reason and told her to shake her ass for him for free. So disrespectful and degrading to a woman who has done nothing to you. That should tell you everything you need to know about his character. Whitney is a private woman, she’s not a celebrity. Drake introduced her to the world as a cheater, lying on her name just to win a beef and get back at Kendrick. Let that sink in. The mother of his children, the woman who held him down all these years and supported him when he was struggling, which is something he spoke about on his last album that Drake misinterpreted. Kendrick and Dave have been best friends since high school, they’re basically brothers. Kendrick and Whitney have been dating since high school, so they've known each other for decades, and Dave is like an uncle to their children. For Drake's to base the allegations off of Dave's comment under Whitney's post shows his immaturity and then drink man wondered why they didn’t respond to those allegations? Lol. You’d think after what happened with pusha t, he’d know NOT to mention a man’s wife! He has no respect for women at all. He is so childish that he started following DJ mustard’s ex wife on social. His ego clouds his judgement to the point where he does and says the stupidest shit like making fun of someone who he thinks was molested as a kid while also saying he’s not a pedo in the same song. He is dumb. He says his crew purposely fed Kendrick the info and then later he says the people who fed the info are clowns. He says he’s to famous for those allegations and then name drops r Kelly after. Kendrick warned him to not get personal or else it would get dirty. He didn’t listen, he got what he deserved.
Also projection if Drake thinks the only reason you'd be supporting a woman is cos you're sleeping with her. What does that say about his intentions with the teenagers he dms
Exactly Drake is the type of guy that when a fight breaks out he'll look around and go for what looks to be the weakest person in the room, who did nothing to him. Dude is a coward and a bully. Thing is it doesn't take much to break a bully's weak mind and spirit.
@@postmorton2493He also tries to use Kendrick trauma against him as a way to “prove” why Kendrick is so “obsessed” with exposing pedos. As if you have to have been molested to care about kids being abused (which he wasn’t btw, cause drake has terrible reading comprehension skills and misunderstood the song).
Maybe he was challenging her to a twerk-off because he knew the rap battle was a lost cause. He has the best BBL in history, so he might actually have been able to win that. And maybe he meant "b*tch" like in a sassy "slay b*tch" type way. And maybe the stuff with underage girls, and misinterpreting songs to the point that you think they're about the artist/their spouse being abused, and then trying to use that as a dunk, was like a social experiment.
@@Mro637and as if not wanting preds around kids and making millions is some sort of bad thing. Like?? God forbid the normal population want preds in the ground, or behind bars where they belong.
I don't listen to much rap myself so this video has been a great window into so much of why this beef was really a fight for the soul of rap. Also, Kendrick really meant it when he said he was the biggest hater. Few victories in the court of public opinion have ever been as definitive as "Making a series of tracks about a guy you hate, then making one of those songs a cultural cornerstone for black americans to ensure that for years to come, people will dance to your opponent being called a racefaking kiddie diddler."
They played Not Like Us at my high school prom, it wasn't even supposed to be played. The whole room exploded. It was one of the most energetic parts of the night.
It’s so contradictory that they say “we don’t like it when you stereotype us”, but the second someone in their community is not stereotypically black they shun them. Pick a lane. Do you want to be stereotyped or do you not?!
Seeing a young Drake call Pharrell one of his idols just for him nowadays to be purposefully antagonizing Pharrell is just weirdly sad. It's just like seeing this awkward but well-meaning kid turn into such a arrogant, bitter person.
I’ll never forget when and where I heard Meet the Ghrams. My wife and son had gone to bed. I was laying in bed as well about to fall asleep, but a wave of energy hit me, so I got up and went to go get a soda. A drank my soda and smoked a cigarette as I stood outside at near midnight, the recent Drake diss echoing the phrase “ya dead” in my head. I put out my cigarette and returned to my kitchen where I finished off the rest of my soda in the solitary light of my oven hood. And then I saw Kendrick dropped. And I stood by myself in the silence of a sleeping home, and listened to Kendrick murder a man.
As a white person, i obviously don’t know a lot of the nuances around the idea of the gangster rap image as a facade to facilitate white consumption, and I appreciate your discussion of that. But as a white petson, y’know what that reminds me of? Cowboy culture. The image of the rugged, Wild West, a place of outlaws and gunslinging vigilantes, was manufactured pretty much entirely from whole cloth. The image of the cowboy was invented by rodeo clowns trying to market a pastiche of the west which was almost entirely divorced from any historical reality, and largely marketed towards affluent white urbanites and suburbanites. Which is why it’s so funny to see white dudes who live in Orlando or Austin, or hell even white dudes from my own upstate Illinois, driving around in massive $70,000 pickup trucks wearing cowboy hats and listening to some guitar playing millionaire sing MAGA anthems. Sheltered suburban whites dressing up like rodeo clowns, being sold an image with no basis in reality all because the TV made them believe it would make them seem like a tough guy. It’s two sides of the same coin.
Very interesting take. Not something I would have thought about before I read your comment. Perfect example of why it's good to talk to people with different perspectives.
“Todd in the shadows,” a music commentary fella, described this beef by saying, “Kendrick had won before this even started because he was feuding because he wanted to, while drake was feuding because he had to.”
Todd was the catapult that launched me to watching this video tbh. Like I love this because of how much I learned, but I also do like Todd's perception of this whole shebang from an outsider/pop point of view as it was easy to digest from an outsider like me.
As a white girl from Poland that was mostly exposed to polish (bad) hip hop, this video finally helped me understand the cultural significance of hip hop and why people approach it so seriously. Thank you for the video and for also touching on the history of the genre, aside from the beef itself, it made my 5h train ride more interesting and allowed me to appreciate a culture I didn't think much about before
Polish hop hop has such a weird (bad) mix of trying to localize itself to a country completely disconnected from hip hop, let alone black culture. Shit felt so weird for me as a Polish American girl.
I’m polish american and honestly, polish hip hop (and slav hip hop in general) is so strange. I’d love to understand more about it, but… then I’d have to listen to it
Frighteningly accurate. Like… I’ve only seen ONE reactor get through those first few lines without pausing out of sheer horror. I’ve never listened to a song that just radiated such an aura of pure raw MENACE.
Open Mike Eagle (if you don't know worth looking into) said he was so glad Kendrick didn't play "meet the Grahams" during the pop out show because he felt if it was played to the audience they would have all been cursed. Lmao but it also feels true.
I feel like its even crazier experience is when english isn't your first language. when I heard the first line I was like "shit, that's weird... I think I heard it wrong". the way I realized throughout the diss that it's not me and he actually says all these things was so weird, I actually needed a small walk outside after this
@@fluffywolfo3663idk if I'd say menace. more like keeping it so real that ppl are scared to see that kind of truth told. this sounds kinda whack but as an autistic person i've seen this a lot... where when one person tells the truth everyone is alarmed bc it rips the cover off the social situation.
It’s so contradictory that they say “we don’t like it when you stereotype us”, but the second someone in their community is not stereotypically black they shun them. Pick a lane. Do you want to be stereotyped or do you not?!
This beef got so big that my 9th grade students here in Korea were talking about it and making jokes about Drake being a PDF file. Do you know how impactful a song has to be for kids who are learning English to willingly look up and learn the meaning of each word? Very impactful. Anyway, this video was extremely insightful. Thank you. I appreciate you.
It’s so contradictory that they say “we don’t like it when you stereotype us”, but the second someone in their community is not stereotypically black they shun them. Pick a lane. Do you want to be stereotyped or do you not?!
I postponed watching this for months because of the 3+ hours. I finally decided to watch it today and told myself I would watch it over the course of 3 days (1 hour a day). Instead I watched it over 3:23:55 straight. You do good work F.D Signifier.
yeah, but he's also around people who grew up in scarborough, sauga, etc. it's a melting pot of cultures, where linguistics are primarily influenced by south asian, caribbean, west african and arab cultures
@@pulse3554 But he didn't talk that way based on growing up there, or else he would have sounded that way out of the gate. He created a fake accent for himself after the fact. That wasn't the natural accent he had from growing up in Scarborough.
That's what I'm saying. I'm a Canadian too and I've heard the switch up from before he started rapping, to when he started raving, to now and I've heard about 7 or 8 different accents and this is not when he raps. This is what he speaks LOL
I spent the entirety of this beef in rehab, I had an hour with my phone a day. And I was waiting everyday to see what happened next. Watching Kendrick fight was a big part of what helped me fight.
Hey, just a random internet stranger here to say I hope you're doing better and it's really great to hear this beef gave you motivation on your journey ❤ Wishing you all the best
I'm going to be honest: I had only heard whispers of this conflict until this video got reccomend from (of all things) a TUMBLR post. And now I'm both humbled by how much of this musical culture I had no idea about and FASCINATED. I'm definitely watching more of your stuff when I finish this one.
You should try getting Kendrick on your channel for a chiropractic adjustment. I know it’s a super long shot, but your appointment/interviews are always really fun to watch.
In my head canon, somewhere during that first tour, Kendrick actually said that to Drake. Drake, being who he is, has been repeating it to the press in regards to Kendrick ever since Control. That just incensed Kendrick more
Funniest shit ever because if you’ve ever listened to a Drake album the only consistent thing is how inconsistent he is with making interesting music 😭😭
Was he respected at the time, tho? I recall DEHH and the Rap Critic going back and forth on their best worst Big Sean bars 😂 Since then tho, he seems like another artist who found a lane and now puts out work that’s truer to himself. And “IDFWU” is a banger
Highlighting how drake's father is Black American, and how he probably felt ostracized growing up in Canada, even amongst other bi-racial kids, BECAUSE his dad was Black-American as opposed to Jamaican, Somali, etc, was a VERY good point that isn't often highlighted in drake analysis of his upbringing. Especially considering how the Black-American descended population of Black Canadians who ancestors came from the underground railroad, is small compared to the Black Immigrant populations not from America. And I say this as a Haitian-American. It must feel ostracizing being amongst black ppl/bi-racial ppl who can shield themselves witin their ethnic enclaves in Canada, while you don't have anyone with shared ethnic Black-American customs with. Having said that, GO KDOT! Lol. Good vid tho!
@@gabbiemac Drake was a unicorn. Not just being Bi-Racial, but having parents in two(albeit neighboring) nations. That must've felt different for him. Drake only got to experience his black American heritage and be amongst paternal kinfolks was when he left his home country. All the while his friends all have their enclaves in Toronto. Shaping Toronto. Must've felt weird as hell for Drizzy. Which might partly explains why he didn't really tap into Toronto until further along in his career. He probably felt, at least partially, that his heritage ties to the Black American South gave him something he always longed for or something he experienced while visiting his dad. Glad FD brought that up.
yeah, I'm glad he mentioned that because I grew up in a similar situation. My dad is black american and my mom is french canadian. My (very few) black friends in Canada were all from immigrant backgrounds, which added to the feeling of alienation, I think. I was where I was supposed to belong, but didn't. I've never heard it articulated before, so it was a nice surprise to hear it here. That said, he makes it really hard to root for him when he gets involved with minors or his insistent misogynoir 😒 Fun fact: most of the Black Americans who escaped through the underground railroad moved back to the US around the 1930s when the Fugitive Slave Act was abolished because Canada was too r*cist for them 🙃 Today, I believe the largest community of African Canadians (as an ethnicity) is in Nova Scotia.
He's the perfect bi-racial example of the kid who doesn't fit in anywhere, and it would have been great if he could have created some art talking about what that's like. But it also explains why he became such a talented chameleon and actor: he can code-switch to anything you throw at him. It kinda reminds me of how Trevor Noah is so good with doing accents in his comedy.
Sorry for not adding anything substantive to this but I just wanna praise this observation, it is so fucking incisive and observes a nuance absent in a lot of conversations regarding black and brown people. Cheers from Mexico
Quick question, would you consider all black Canadians to not be black? This is something I've been pondering on. If I'm from Toronto and my parents are Jamaican, am I an outsider?
@sk___4206 as another jamaican-canadian, I don't think we aren't black, it just means that we have a specific experience of blackness that isn't the exact same as a black american's and thus will authentically present itself in different ways. And even though those ways will naturally have overlap due to aspects of shared history, that overlap isn't the same thing as literally mimicking the particularly brand of blackness that arises in different communities of the diaspora. That's at least how I see it though :)
John 8:44, "You are of your father the devil, and you want to do what your father desires. He was a murderer from the beginning, and does not stand in the truth, because there is no truth in him. Whenever he lies, he speaks from his own nature, for he is a liar and the father of lies.”
I sound like an insane person saying this, but I think there is something you should have added to the video which is that the same social media that you've explained is a toxic presence in hiphop and which Drake has leveraged habitually, turned against him once Kendrick's attacks came up. Tiktok had those same white fans and white audience clowning on him on Tiktok endlessly.
Drake is still leveraging the same social media platforms. It’s worst now because they still don’t think he lost. There being more toxic while explaining how drake didn’t lose the battle smh it’s getting out of hand
That has become the nature of internet culture though, toxic fans who migrate and pop up in every fandom. They’ve just become so much louder and persistent over time, and tbh is one of the worst things the age of the internet has brought with it. It’s a player haters ball 24/7 and everyone has a microphone.
Legit I kinda hate the way the internet sees who wins a fight then looks at the loser and says "oh I never liked him anyways". Like, the same blogs that said Hotline Bling was great are suddenly like "Drake's always been trash" bc they don't want to be on the losing side of someone else's fight
@@jprofiothat fucking thing makes me mad… it happens every goddamn time a celebrity gets exposed for doing problematic stuff. Just admit that you liked some of their art and leave it at that.
What kills me about the Control verse is that it lit a fire under many of the people he mentioned. They were flattered to be seen as peers and reacted accordingly. It could have been that simple lol
I feel that Kendrick didn't have real animosity towards Drake until seeing his many reactions to the Control verse. He might have felt a certain way about him before that, but only decided that he wasn't someone worthy of his respect after Drake showed that he truly didn't belong to or care about the same culture he was leeching off of for his success
I remember when I first heard that verse I was shocked that Kendrick considered Drake a peer back then. And it was pretty fucking obvious to me that it was to be seen as an honour. Not understanding that is downright illiteracy.
@@yadsewnde I kinda get Jay being salty. Dude popped out to drop one of his rare verses only to have nobody listen to it As soon as I hear "you can check my name on the books" I skip to the next song lol
It’s interesting to me how despite initially being known as “sensitive,” Drake ultimately became someone who essentially makes music for Andrew Tate fans. Meanwhile, Kendrick’s last album was arguably more introspective, self aware and “sensitive” than anything Drake has ever made. We got to see who each of them became once they had the money and fame to do anything they wanted, and it’s pretty clear which of them came out on top.
Navel-gazing vs hard therapy. Kendrick put in the therapy where you need to take a nap after the session because you put so much work in. Drake circles around his problems, but he doesn't move *through* them.
@NoConsequenc3 IDK there's a whole world to think and create about that doesn't revolve around being weird about women and ME ME ME ME.. if he really wanted to flex and show off his worldliness and craftsmanship, man try to do an album about grasshoppers or aphids. It'd probably land better than the last few greasy farts.
@@henriettebopda5895 That man loves to bring up other peoples wives so much, even Serena, Rihanna. But cant keep a woman and have an actual family of his own, damn near 40.
that editing choice genuinely unsettled me, despite me being well aware of story of adidon. something about that slow transition with the music, along with knowing the consequences of the unblurred image, just really got to me. great job unc
I just lost tons of my belongings in the flood here in Philippines but watching this made me happy while cleaning up my apartment from the mud. Thank u FD for everything u do
Soulja is like the symbolic foreshadowing of so much... i honestly thought that the recent "i like the way you kiss me" song bit hard of "kiss me thru the phone" too
this is the greatest sociocultural analysis ive seen since Covid on this app, it makes me fear that one day UA-cam wont be as available as it is now. This work is academic, this could be a college crash course on the State of Hip Hop. You are a professor of sociology and I just hope i can digest all of this before my next shift.
I'm kind of on my prepper era but I am for sure downloading cool videos I would miss if like, the whole thing turned out to hit a financial wall & shut down or got hit with really heavy censorship
The history of Drake section really is just “Men will literally become an incredibly prolific and wealthy musical artist before even considering going to therapy” Another common Signifier W
I just wanted to make sure this comment was said. It was said your magnum opus was the black manosphere video. And at the time, that was truly right. But this video has me questioning if it's possible to make magic twice. This video was so good that all of my friends who I've been trying to get into video essays for YEARS watched it without me even telling them it dropped. Then not only did they watch this video, they went back and watched something else of yours. I'm usually weary about giving such high praise because on the internet, it can really feel disingenuous in a strange way. But you are genuinely unreal at this video essay game. Well worth the wait.
Thirded. Sat down to casually watch the first 45 minutes or an hour or so to pick up the rest later, accidentally watched the whole thing in one sitting & now I need water.
You really broke this down as thoroughly as you could given the platform + medium. I'm a hip hop fan but I mostly wrote the beef off as a celebrity gossip thing but there's much more to this than I thought. Really great video
@@nikibronson133I'm not sure if you're still confused or not but the "Beach episode" is an episode of anime or really any cartoons where the characters literally just go to the beach. The narrative purpose is to show the characters relaxing, maybe reminiscing about past experiences and battles, and taking a break in between story arcs.
@@casadastraphobia I literally got it like a day later. I watch a lot of anime but I haven’t watched anime that has filler in it for a while and I literally got it when I watched k something that quite literally had a Beach episode and it was a shonen anime😂😂
@@casadastraphobia I mean also, some shows that don't have enough airtime for breaks have it outside of the normal series/season, like an Episode 13, 14 or whatever.
Wish he would have talked more about Hiss! It basically got the ball rolling in terms of all the diss tracks that came out this year. The fact that there are two number one hits that diss Drake in the same year is insane.
@@tariqthomas9090 Same! Hiss was the shot in the arm that hip hop needed early this year and Meg declared open season on the industry and Drake first.
@@weaseldale Me too. As locked in as I was during the Kendrick/Drake beef, I was even MORE tapped in that weekend that Hiss came out. I've been a fan of Meg's since her freestyle days, her skill and love of the craft can't be underestimated.
I'm obviously not of the culture but I feel this as someone who grew up in a punk rock scene being fed a corporate product disguised as youthful rebellion...that stuff poisoned the message of fighting a corrupt power structure
The sad thing is this is inevitable once money is involved. Old rebels will gain power and jealously guard it for themselves to the detriment of the younger ones. That or the system infiltrates by dangling cash in front of the oldies.
yeah, the same way i feel about billy idol, green day with "amrecan idiot", and even to a degree with (funnily enough) plaboi carti, cuz he heavily takes aesthetics and vibes from that era and culture
It's sooo real when you find a UA-cam Think Piece with some actual substance, research, valid cohesive points and an honest admission of bias without corrupting the content. Great pulse on the culture . This is the part of Hip Hop that makes me optimistic about how we as a people continue the culture
Euphoria was Kdot saying "I'm gonna do paper, okay? I'm going to shoot paper" then drake going "yeah? Bet. I'm gonna shoot rock then" and then Kdot literally going paper on the rock
I think that interview Drake had with Angie was one of if not the first sign of there being a disconnect between Drake and not just hip hop culture but black culture with how genuinely offensive he took Kendrick’ control verse. It’s like he never shit talked with his friends over a game of basketball or street fighter or something. And it genuinely made me feel a little sorry for him watching the expression on his face after Angie said, “no I think it’s a sparring thing”. It was like he just didn’t get the concept of friendly competition. And I think Kendrick is very articulate. He knows how to convey exactly what he wants to say-even if there’s little nuances in there. His control verse was not malicious at all and i think that shows with how none of the rappers he named had any real life problems with him besides Drake (and Big Sean, probably). He even went on to work with some of the said artist he called out on Control afterwards and was lauded on by others
💯 you couldn’t just big up your album and be like we will see who is king with these album sales or better yet we will see who is king when the next album drops 😅
and big sean didn't even have an issue with the verse itself like drake did, it was factors outside of the verse that caused problems for him (whether valid or not). sean felt downplayed by the audience and hated that rap fans were saying that kendrick washed him on his own song. that's when feelings of bitterness and jealousy started to grow.
I would like to point out that Big Sean didn't have a problem with the verse in itself (hence why he cleared it to begin with), he had a problem with the reaction to it. Fans were clowning him and the verse was overshadowing his album rollout, that's what bothered him and why he got upset about it. For him it was a pretty legitimate grievance and had nothing to do with him taking offense to friendly competition. For Drake it was just him not understanding the concept of friendly competition and getting upset about it. Even despite Big Sean having a fair reason to be upset about it, he still never publicly disrespected Kendrick like Drake did. Drake has to go on a whole press run telling people how upset he was and how fake he thought Kendrick was. It was pathetic.
To your point that if any of these people around Drake really liked him, they would've told him to stop pretending to be someone he's not and focus on where he's from, one of the only people who DID do that was Lil Wayne. During a podcast interview in 2015, he said, "I was the one to tell him 'Don't change anything. Don't think 'cause you're coming over here by me that you gotta start rapping about the things I rap about, don't do none of that. Please, rap about your little TV show, rap about girls, do that. That's what you're good at. Cause of course, it's only natural for you to come over and just think that if I'm with Wayne, I'm gonna rock like Wayne. Y'know, I rap about what I rap about.' And so that was one of the main things I had to tell him from the jump. Don't change anything. Don't start singing about killing nobody, don't start singing about the streets. Keep it Canadian, man." It's a shame he didn't take it to heart.
@@Jalenlane93 Like half of Mob Ties is about how he'll use his connections to have people who crossed him killed lol. I'd say that qualifies as "singing about killing somebody"
Not surprised that Wayne told his protégé to basically stay in his lane, & that Aubrey didn't heed his mentor's advice. This is the same man who got great advice from Jay-Z in "Light Up" from the "Thank Me Later" album, "Drake, here's how they gonna come at you, With silly rap feuds, trying to distract you...", & not once did Aubrey go back to this great advice when it came to not falling right into Pusha T's trap in "Infrared". Aubrey got what was coming to him by not listening to his great advice from his predecessors.
2:41:25 what is also an important point to note is that... Kendrick has already faced this criticism of being a fake activist before. Twice. Once in 2016 and again in 2020. For the first time I do recommend listening to the Dissect Podcast for a deeper analysis. The second time, he faced this criticism from Twitter activists for not saying anything during the BLM protests. Meanwhile Kendrick was photographed participating in the actual protests on the street. Kendrick isn't a fake activist, he's a quiet activist. He gives back to his community in actions, never words. Something Drake wouldn't be able to comprehend in the age of "announce everything or it didn't happen"
God, that last line really hit me. "Announce everything or it didn't happen." So true, so much of "activism" these days is just yelling loud on the internet (often abt things you don't fully grasp) and then claiming you're doing your part. It's good to remember what actually being involved looks like.
Kendrick even said on Mr Morale “Thoughts and Prayers are better off timelines” and I think this squares with what you’re saying here. He doesn’t believe in performative and public activism and support, he prefers to just do it and not try to earn brownie points for what he does for others
random yt commentary channel: let me tell you about this spicy rap beef thingy Uncle FD: I AM OLD. I WAS THERE AT THE BEGINNING OF TIME AND ALL THINGS. WHEN THE WORLD WAS YOUNG AND RAKIM PICKED UP THE PEN FOR THE FIRST TIME IN 2ND GRADE
Other commentary channels: “so there’s this guy Jesus were gonna talk about, so let’s start with how he was born-“ FD: “In the beginning when God created the heavens and the earth, the earth was a formless void and darkness covered the face of the deep, while a wind from God swept over the face of the waters. Then God said-“
I'm 28, I'm a student of the game. So, young purists exist. Your content matters. Hopefully, people can chunk these essays to learn. We need parents to play the music at home. But again, I grew up in an era when copping CDs was a cultural staple and tradition in my home. That, alongside Ebony, Jet, Vibe, and Essence coming in the mail to the house. Our modes of dissemination and discourse have changed because of streaming, UA-cam, Social media, and TikTok, but cross-generational education can still happen. We just gotta figure out how...
You know, I always thought there was something familiar about his build and now I can place it: It's the basic He-Man action figure! (Just to be clear, I don't mean that as any insult or disrespect; it's pretty damn impressive and I can't imagine the discipline it takes )
@@wasserperson Random side note. When I got my first iPhone I set the release date of "get rich or die trying" into my calendar. Now, all of these years later, I still get the annual reminder on the date.
Remember,some of y’all still consider yourselves to be black,but Kendrick doesn’t. It doesn’t matter if you consider him to be black,and drake to be a wanna be,the fact still remains that you all didn’t realize he was saying he isn’t black while ridiculing Drake..
@@JustRyanFromNola Kendrick was not saying Drake isn't black. He told Adonis, who is a whole lot whiter than his father, that he's still a black man. Kendrick said that Drake wears his blackness like a coat. Something to be worn or taken off based on convenience. Drake has done more to discredit his own claim to blackness than Kendrick has, just by the way he behaves.
@JustRyanFromNola 95% lose is you and your likes. The moment He was talking to Adonis abt how He is black man could have answered what He was implying to Drake but here We are after 3 months, there are your kind who can't comprehend a bar
That's why Drake is too big to fail. When he stops being musically relevant, he'll just be a more internet-savvy version of Diddy. "Oh there's the rich guy who does twitch streams and is at fancy parties!" is what everyone will say
Drake is a prime example of "I would genuinely feel so bad for him and would feel like everyone's bullying him, except that he's just... such a cringe little asshole." But to add to that - what must it be like to do something that is genuinely diabolical and damn near immoral - to do something that would be widely regarded as Wrong, but to do it in the way and moment that near everyone agrees is deserved and Righteous?
Honestly I think the only part that got me to feel a bit bad was Rick Ross just repeatedly calling him "white boy", like compared to all the other more lyrical disses, that just felt like it was feeding into a colorism angle he struggled with. I know the whole deal is he "performs" blackness and wasn't raised in the culture, but that rubbed me wrong and I can understand the natural identity crisis that would come from someone in his position. The facade is still all his fault, but still
@@samalmighty1313i agree, that's painful to say to some ppl. I'm white but my partner is mixed, white mom black dad who left. he's had a complex his whole life even though I'm like, trust me white ppl think yr black, so while i understand "not feeling black enough" don't delude yrself that yr "basically white" in the united states... anyway... seeing what he's gone thru psychologically w that... i feel like that's really poking someone's core wound in a way that is pretty fucking harsh. I'm not gonna say you shouldn't do it bc that's an intracommunity thing that I can't comment on, and as an autistic person there have been times I told another autistic person who was violating our autistic cultural norms that they were acting allistic (non autistic) meaning get your shit together the way yr behaving is poison to our culture. So i get that it has its place when someone is way out of pocket. But nothing to say lightly when you know someone really has issues w that. I would be way more careful saying someone was acting allistic if they were recently diagnosed for example, partially bc they likely have trauma from being raised outside the community (i have two autistic parents and it's my entire extended family whereas my best friend for example is the only autistic person he grew up w so was forced to act like he wasn't and doesn't really know who he is).
@@muleboy3537 charlamagne can be hilarious, after Control verse by kendrick, he said To drake "life ain't a dj khaled song where everyone is buddy buddy" lmfao!!
As a black woman, I rooted for Drake since I saw him as one of the few black people on Degrassi. I supported his music when he was still Aubrey and was excited when he finally got signed. Needless to say, I'm so disappointed in the path he took and stopped listening to his music many years ago.
As a Carolina boy, the J Cole section of this really stuck out. Dude built everything in his career his way instead of selling out, gotta commend that. Dreamville Fest is one of the biggest festivals in rap now, bro literally put on for the whole state of NC.
I don't even like Cole's music but I respect the fuck out of him for sharing the love and building up everyone he could along the way. Cole is truly selfless in a way a lot of rappers are too proud to be. The Revenge of the Dreamers tapes are a testament to how many careers he's impacted and the raw creative energy coming off of them is really unmatched, they make me want to go out and make some art of my own.
As someone in Toronto, it’s so interesting to hear someone from the US notice the city’s lack of identity, which is a line often said by people that live here. To think about the alternative reality where drake actually promoted culture here instead of using it as a backdrop… smh
As a Torontonian, that part of the video was painfully true. I told my friends during the beef that we need to find the best, most talented rapper in the city and just give that guy all of Drake's radio time because he's doing nothing for us.
wow that's a great point. reminds me of his response to the question at 25:56 "it took US acceptance to create canadian pride" he's just talking about how he himself feels
Michgander. The Mitt. We dont hear alot about you guys. Yea most of up north knows the teams for Cold sport season. But truthfully, I mean no offense at all, its kinda hard to pinpoint what Toronto is, why do you go to Toronto? What memories made there. I have another YTer I watch, who is Canadian. Even he kinda thinks the same way. Drake really shouldve leaned into the city more.
One of the most engaging, in-depth, and introspective youtube videos I have ever seen. Incredible job, gave me something to think about while I was working.
Sat down at the salon for box braids and my braider handed me the remote. I turned on UA-cam and saw FD had a new video. The whole salon was locked in on this video. The conversation was incredible. Great video, especially when your stuck in a salon for 4 hours.
Goddamn I was just hanging around listening to this. A four hour salon visit with everyone locked into this sounds almost spiritual, like you will remember it in 10 years.
@waketp420 It was interesting when someone was like “aye! Pause it real quick!” Two people would go back and fourth about a cultural topic for 10 min and spark more conversation about the video once I hit play again. Today was a good day to be ad free on TY. ☺️
It’s so contradictory that they say “we don’t like it when you stereotype us”, but the second someone in their community is not stereotypically black they shun them. Pick a lane. Do you want to be stereotyped or do you not?!
😂 😂😂 The man is an alcoholic and it was the alc that put him to sleep. Drakes boring ahh album only helped him sleep a little better. I would feel sorry for him, what with struggling with the bottle, but he’s a pos so nah
I find it very creepy and gross that he was going to "introduce" his son to the world through a multi million dollar deal with Adidas, just feels like user behaviour to me.
@@saheruthepharaohprob making his son ‘earn’ the lifestyle he was born into… I don’t agree with it but that’s showbiz I guess. Look at the Smith family… 🤷🏾♂️
My absolute favorite moment in this beef is "I hurtyourfeelingsyoudon'twannaworkwithmenomore 😢 OKAY" just the perfect depiction of Drake's wimpiness and lack of backbone.
@nevermind.abbs7 and you can tell when he yells that that he isn't even yelling for a musical moment, it's because he is genuinely frustrated with Drake 😭
@@ashlabelleKendrick called out the entire industry in the nicest way possible, and Drake was the only one to take it this personally and Kung-fu Kenny was so confused!! Like "BRO, WHAT IS HAPPENING!!"
@avaricewildman4083 Ikr, for me the cringiest thing of it all is drake's response to the control verse. If I were him I would take it as a sign of respect for my talent that a rapper who just got really big sees me as one of his biggest competitors, as did almost all the others he mentioned
@@nevermind.abbs7 I listened to Euphoria for the first time today while watching & oh my god 😂 It was everything I never knew I was missing but clearly needed! I loved that part so much, I hope I never forget it! lol
Honestly, it is a shame to me Drake can't just embrace who he is. He has *legitimate* musical talent, but he's more focused on pretending to be someone he's not than he is being true to himself, devoting himself to his craft and finding an audience that accepts him. He would have avoided all these problems if he just kept it Canadian.
Yeah like he could've just focused on those actual insecurities and come off better in the long term overall. Even if it (might've) not made him as popular, it would've at least been better for himself. But we all know what ego can do to a mf.
@@Mg00308 His body of work can paint a picture that is similar to what OP said. Whether he is actually the way OP said or not tends to be irrelevant when what is tangible tends to lean into a lack of care towards the craft of songwriting, symbolism and the overall development of an art form. He, and anyone, can say anything but the facts will always be what he provides and publishes. Thus, the analysis OP provided is not too far-fetched or invalid.
Oldheads an trueheads under this comment put the beats used at certain points of the video along with timestamps (extra points if you understand the connection between that beat and that section. The first real one is at around the 17 min mark.
Congrats on actually releasing this magnum opus !
😮😮 I thought you would literally leave us hanging as long ass frank ocean I’m gunna put myself to the test LETS GOOOO
Shit reception to scroll back- Rap superstar, doin whatever it takes to get over
3:19:49 "Peruvian Cocaine" by Immortal Technique 😜
Not the teacher in you assigning homework and extra credit 😂
I will always remember that tweet about Kendrick being that type of guy who's watching you the other side of the street and vanishes when a bus passes by
😂😂😂
Drake keeps messing with grown men with braids...
@@anthonyrowland9072 Meek had a low cut at the time of their beef lol
Agahahaha for reeeeaaal 😭
One that stuck with me was an image of Jason with a machete saying that was Kendrick on his way to the studio for any reason lol. When I was first listening to his verse on J Cole's song for Black Friday, the fire alarm legit went off in my building 😂. The universe was speaking that day.
i love that j cole somehow kind of lit the fuse and was entirely unscathed. he showed up to work, clocked out, and the next morning there was a drake-shaped crater in the hallway
He was not "entirely unscathed". People were making memes about him living in peace until we got, "hmmm ..hmmmm...GRIPPY'
Cole got hit but he can recover far better than either Kendrick or Drake
@@hweheheh memes about him living in peace weren't dragging him. the grippy issue is unrelated and would've been something he had to deal with regardless.
yeah sorry not sorry I'm not putting getting memed on by internet dorks on the same level as being publicly eviscerated by a number 1 hit
😂😂😂
Paying for my movie ticket, thank you.
damn
shoulda sent dat to ME
@@kiriibaif you present me with an extraordinary explanation/jeremiad of the history and woes of a fascinating subculture, I will, gladly.
@@TheDreamerBelle i will peform the ways of ancient beggars
PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE PLEAE PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE
@ I expect at least 3hrs of high-level analysis before I part with my coin
anyone else revisiting this after GNX
that and Drake's batshit insane lawsuit against UMG and Spotify
@@chizzicleTHAT’S why I’m back 😂
@@ChaChaWitYa same 😂😂
The further down this rabbit hole we go, the more I need to remind myself how it started. Shit's getting wild!!!
MUSTAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAARD
As a hip-hop outsider, this is like being a villager in an isolated town learning about a war between two great powers for the first time.
Well put. I am in the same position.
This is a perfect description
Lmao, real. Like walking outside and hearing there's been a month long standoff between your neighbors and the FBI while you were chilling eating fruity pebbles
FACTS 🎉
LMAO DAMN !
the drake fan unintentionally calling Drake's music microwaved and Kendrick's cooked food is incredible
He was quoting someone from his chat, but it is hilarious to hear it come from his mouth
Exactly what it is
context is important
Great analogy
That's something DJ Hed tweeted when Drake leaked Push Ups instead of straight up releasing it
Saw high school teachers saying that because of kendrick theyre watching their students engage in literary anlysis willingly for the first time
It's both endearing that this phenomenon is happening still but sad also because it means the curriculum hasn't managed to be inspiring enough to be interesting
@@cathl4953it's very difficult to make a cookie cutter curriculum that will meaningfully engage most students. It's impossible to make one that engages all of them. The whole system needs to move away from farming for test scores and back toward actually teaching kids, but every parent is going to have a unique idea of what subjects are more important.
That's amazing ❤ the power of art
It’s all about what the kids are interested in, it’s not that they’re dumb. Smart teachers utilized this beef to actually get their students working and bump up grades because the way students were breaking down the symbolism and double entendres was beautiful.
Find where their passion is 😁
Akademics just accidentally showed his Spotify wrap up… it had “not like us” as his number 1 listened to song of the year 😂
That’s some character growth right there. U seen his reaction on GNX yet?
@ no I don’t watch him. Only know what blogs post about him. He hated it?
@@July-ola no he gave it proper credit. Tried to fight back the drake stan horde like “wait, y’all hear me out now… fire is fire” it was kinda funny
😂🤣😂🤣
Why am I not even surprised?!
thats so fucking funny
Looking back it’s safe to say the “big three” line was most offensive to Kendrick because it made him realize people could not tell the difference between him and Drake.
Every Kendrick release in this beef was an effort to demonstrate why that was repulsive to him and hopefully ensure it could never happen again.
You are so right, such good insight on Kendrick’s perspective my friend
You're absolutely right. I think he heard it and he opened a safe behind the wall in his office and pulled out a file that said "Operation Wingclip". I still have to think he had this in his back pocket for years and waited for a justifiable moment to strike out.
holy shit you're right. he witnessed people being lulled by drake for years. and all that seething anger over the culture's shift finally bubbled over when cole said those words 💀
@@ImYourOnlyItGirlbecause most people care about good music at the end of the day. Most people don’t care how it gets made
@@superdupeninja8149Drake’s music is not good music 😂 I suppose you think McDonalds makes the best burgers because they sell the most burgers.
As someone from Toronto, I can't thank you enough for mentioning how weird Drake's invented accent is to us. He uses our slang, from time, mandem, cheesed, ahlie, etc but says it like he's from the non-existant Boston part of Atlanta.
Lmao as a person from Boston who lives in Atlanta now lmao 😂😂😂 the thought of that accent sounds insane 😂
@@dancemusikk Pahk the car in Centennial Yards ;)
It is SO surreal. And going through high school in his peak OVO era there a few years ago every child who could even claim South African ancestry was doing it and... Idk man it was just nasty. I live in the fields outside of Barrie, man. These bumpkin kids had no right 🤣
Fr tho, finding out he named his cat crodie proved to me that he did not come to those words in any authentic way and rather is just using them to propagate a certain aesthetic.
It’s wild how rural hockey boys always use more toronto slang than mfs i know from jane and finch
The fact that Drake texted Kai Cenat to "stay on stream" for the release of Family Matters, only for Kai to also stream the release of Meet the Grahams.... insert here the Palpatine meme "ironic isn't it?"
Hahaha, that's great. I didn't even think about that.
I was cracking up when he paused to look up Drake's mom's name. Kendrick played Drake so hard.
Thing is, it was like that for literally every single music streamer. Look at the archived streams now, or look up stream reaction videos here on UA-cam, literally all of them are in the middle of talking about Family Matters because of course they're talking about that, what the fuck else would they be talking about, when Meet The Grahams drops and the their chat freaks out and everyone forgets about the Drake song.
It's diabolical. It's 100% on purpose. Kung Fu Kenny busts out the judo, using the force of his enemy's well-documented social media antics against him. I'd respect it if I wasn't scared for my life.
@@clementinedanger oh for sure, I have seen the compilation videos. But the thing is that Drake texted Kai specifically and it back fired beautifully. As far as I've seen Drake didn't text any other streamer. Though I might be wrong about that, maybe I haven't looked enough. The only other one who would have known is Akademiks, but it is not as funny as Drake texting Kai, Kai showing the text on stream, and having it work against him in the end.
@@vitorschultz9892 It really is a joy to watch, isn't it?
I need to apologize to past-me for not giving this a listen sooner. This is one of the best breakdowns I've ever heard.
Felt. Respect regardless.
J Cole: “Man, us 3 guys sure are great!”
Kendrick: *awakens*
Lol, yup. Cole is fine to share the crown, Kendrick fucking isn’t
Cole didn’t know he activated the Winter Soldier with that one
@@ShyyrnCole rapped about breaking the crown because it’s caused too much death and violence but then brought it back later on lol
@@chancellor8715 he didnt bring it back, he was putting hinself, Aubrey, and Kendrick at the top of the rap game. Not the same thing
@chancellor8715 lol street guys getting into hiphop caused death and violence...not lyrics over beats....gtfoh
As a Black Canadian you hit everything about Canada and Hip-Hop. Drake really hasn't done anything to properly build and cultivate a culture and music identity up here but then claims the city as his. It's really weird and disappointing. Proof of this is just in the way that Kendrick was able to lean on the west coast, Drake couldn't really do with us up here.
exactly this!! people own twitter were arguing about how OVO are responsible for creating some sort of “sound” for canadian hip hop, yet if Drake was forced to lean on that “sound” what would it really be? & who from outside of Canada is really imitating that style like other places across the world?
It’s why I find it weird when Canadians are siding with Drake. He doesn’t sound at all authentic, unlike Kendrick and being from Compton. (Lived in Toronto until recently.)
This Is Not A Drake Podcast touches on this and how buried black Canadian art is up here. It’s crazy how even with CanCon rules and shit Black artists have to go down to America and explode in popularity there to find any sort of big recognition outside of underground and separated scenes in the big cities. Drake could’ve changed that. He could’ve done more to pay his dues to the African/Carribean immigrants he steals his accents from, the black canadian radios that first played his music. But nope
@@johndotcue You heard about Drake being booed in Toronto the other day?
It shows in the way he got booed when Limp Bizkit made him a surprise guest at their recent Toronto show
The fact that Drake’s most critically acclaimed album is predominantly the work of the Weekend speaks volumes. What’s worse is him downplaying the Weekend’s contribution.
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Yep. He's very lucky Abel is a decent human.
@@nevermind.abbs7Very lucky bc I would have NEVER gave half of my first album to him bc huh 😅. Thank god he did not "sign his life away" to Drake and end up in those OVO sweatshops like the other Canadians ghostwritters (Partynextdoor, Majid Jordan...)
I love this vid but that’s my one problem with it. Abel has credits for 5 songs on Take Care, which is a 20 song album. That’s not a “majority”.
And they are both CANADIAN
I'm gonna need a follow-up analysis post GNX drop and Drake UMG/Spotify court application because THE SAGA CONTINUES. Dying to hear your analysis within the context of HipHop Culture.
Drake is just proving Kendrick's point 😂
The sentence "it was Drake vs Kendrick and they both lost to Macklemore" would sound like satire if it didn't actually happen rip
They both somehow lost to Macklemore again in 2024 when he dropped Hind’s Hall lol
@@shawnkohl1619 that song is so good more people need to know about it
@@shawnkohl1619 that's incredible! I wish more people would stand up like he did.
Hey, where did F.D. say that? Anybody got the timestamps for that?
Sad lol
Oh my god. I got an hour in and realized Drake is the in real life version of Syndrome. He met his heroes and they almost all didn't like him so he turned into a villain set out to take everyone down.
@@YourLocalNobody420 By Kendrick Lamar
NOBODY PRAY FOR ME
Then his idols destroyed him in the end, his own actions leading to the demise of his career
A CORNY villain at that 😂
"Drake doesn't call Kendrick a hotep.... because he doesn't know what a hotep is" made me laugh out loud
I swear 😂
I haven't gotten there yet, but that's a bar 😂
Literally read your comment as FD said it
Neither do the ghostwriters, apparently 😂
Ok but as a non-native english speaker, what does hotep mean? 😅
Believe it or not, but i'm REWATCHING this video
yoooooo gurly sameeee
Great to listen to while organizing the kitchen lol. This guy comes w truth and is a great commentator!
GNX brought me back here. I’m also cleaning my work vehicle 😂❤
Same!! And I was here the day it dropped 😂
And?
"You can like Drake, but to love Drake is to hate goodness." Devastating.
"You ain't never give us nothing to believe in" tagged out
Goddamn, as a lover of philosophy…this is incredible!
FD manages to hold it together for literally half the video before the mask falls off and the hard truths fly out.
@@ronnierockit4468 like Damn!! Nail in the cofin!!
lmaooo living for the drake fan slander 😭😂 Some kendrick fans are annoying but drake fans are INSUFFERABLE
After almost two hours of "To the credit of Drake....", "I think people who hate Drake for _this_ reason are wrong..." and "Drake actually has merit here...", throwing out the "Drake sucks, he's vapid and if he's your favourite rapper you probably suck a too" is absolutely hilarious, I love it.
FD's awesome! He lost the battle to supress the Drake hate, 😆
Hadestown is gas bro
@@broadwaypotatobroadwaypota1238 ...oh right my profile pc! Hell yeah !
@@broadwaypotatobroadwaypota1238 Hell yeah!
He gave him his flowers to be fair but still made sure to tell us that he hates him and that he sucks lmao that's ethical hating.
One thing people overlooked is the fact that Drake literally called Whitney a bitch for no reason and told her to shake her ass for him for free. So disrespectful and degrading to a woman who has done nothing to you. That should tell you everything you need to know about his character. Whitney is a private woman, she’s not a celebrity. Drake introduced her to the world as a cheater, lying on her name just to win a beef and get back at Kendrick. Let that sink in. The mother of his children, the woman who held him down all these years and supported him when he was struggling, which is something he spoke about on his last album that Drake misinterpreted. Kendrick and Dave have been best friends since high school, they’re basically brothers. Kendrick and Whitney have been dating since high school, so they've known each other for decades, and Dave is like an uncle to their children. For Drake's to base the allegations off of Dave's comment under Whitney's post shows his immaturity and then drink man wondered why they didn’t respond to those allegations? Lol. You’d think after what happened with pusha t, he’d know NOT to mention a man’s wife! He has no respect for women at all. He is so childish that he started following DJ mustard’s ex wife on social. His ego clouds his judgement to the point where he does and says the stupidest shit like making fun of someone who he thinks was molested as a kid while also saying he’s not a pedo in the same song. He is dumb. He says his crew purposely fed Kendrick the info and then later he says the people who fed the info are clowns. He says he’s to famous for those allegations and then name drops r Kelly after. Kendrick warned him to not get personal or else it would get dirty. He didn’t listen, he got what he deserved.
Also projection if Drake thinks the only reason you'd be supporting a woman is cos you're sleeping with her. What does that say about his intentions with the teenagers he dms
Exactly Drake is the type of guy that when a fight breaks out he'll look around and go for what looks to be the weakest person in the room, who did nothing to him. Dude is a coward and a bully. Thing is it doesn't take much to break a bully's weak mind and spirit.
@@postmorton2493He also tries to use Kendrick trauma against him as a way to “prove” why Kendrick is so “obsessed” with exposing pedos. As if you have to have been molested to care about kids being abused (which he wasn’t btw, cause drake has terrible reading comprehension skills and misunderstood the song).
Maybe he was challenging her to a twerk-off because he knew the rap battle was a lost cause. He has the best BBL in history, so he might actually have been able to win that.
And maybe he meant "b*tch" like in a sassy "slay b*tch" type way. And maybe the stuff with underage girls, and misinterpreting songs to the point that you think they're about the artist/their spouse being abused, and then trying to use that as a dunk, was like a social experiment.
@@Mro637and as if not wanting preds around kids and making millions is some sort of bad thing. Like?? God forbid the normal population want preds in the ground, or behind bars where they belong.
I don't listen to much rap myself so this video has been a great window into so much of why this beef was really a fight for the soul of rap. Also, Kendrick really meant it when he said he was the biggest hater. Few victories in the court of public opinion have ever been as definitive as "Making a series of tracks about a guy you hate, then making one of those songs a cultural cornerstone for black americans to ensure that for years to come, people will dance to your opponent being called a racefaking kiddie diddler."
They played Not Like Us at my high school prom, it wasn't even supposed to be played. The whole room exploded. It was one of the most energetic parts of the night.
I be hearing that playing out on the street from random cars. One of the Drake diss tracks.....never.
hits so hard bc every human being no matter where from, what color, gender etc. can relate to
It’s so contradictory that they say “we don’t like it when you stereotype us”, but the second someone in their community is not stereotypically black they shun them. Pick a lane. Do you want to be stereotyped or do you not?!
@@tokebak4291okay saltine calm down
@@chickenpermission4909 13% at it again 😂 Go loot some stores you gon feel better 🤣
Seeing a young Drake call Pharrell one of his idols just for him nowadays to be purposefully antagonizing Pharrell is just weirdly sad. It's just like seeing this awkward but well-meaning kid turn into such a arrogant, bitter person.
Holy crap, he's that villain in the first Invisibles movie
Damn
@@eveleene3613Invisibles or Incredibles? Lol
@@akeme25 XD SORRY, sorry yeah the Incredibles HAHAHAHAH
So basically, Jimmy from Degrassi except he had to get shot to become that type of person
I’ll never forget when and where I heard Meet the Ghrams.
My wife and son had gone to bed. I was laying in bed as well about to fall asleep, but a wave of energy hit me, so I got up and went to go get a soda. A drank my soda and smoked a cigarette as I stood outside at near midnight, the recent Drake diss echoing the phrase “ya dead” in my head.
I put out my cigarette and returned to my kitchen where I finished off the rest of my soda in the solitary light of my oven hood. And then I saw Kendrick dropped. And I stood by myself in the silence of a sleeping home, and listened to Kendrick murder a man.
horror-like
Daaaaaaaaamn
Wish my story was as cool, I just awoke in the morn' and saw the carnage that unfolded.
@@Mercenary0712 Same I woke up to 80+ messages in the group chat
You have a way with words! I could picture that so well, it was like I was there with you!
As a white person, i obviously don’t know a lot of the nuances around the idea of the gangster rap image as a facade to facilitate white consumption, and I appreciate your discussion of that.
But as a white petson, y’know what that reminds me of?
Cowboy culture.
The image of the rugged, Wild West, a place of outlaws and gunslinging vigilantes, was manufactured pretty much entirely from whole cloth. The image of the cowboy was invented by rodeo clowns trying to market a pastiche of the west which was almost entirely divorced from any historical reality, and largely marketed towards affluent white urbanites and suburbanites. Which is why it’s so funny to see white dudes who live in Orlando or Austin, or hell even white dudes from my own upstate Illinois, driving around in massive $70,000 pickup trucks wearing cowboy hats and listening to some guitar playing millionaire sing MAGA anthems.
Sheltered suburban whites dressing up like rodeo clowns, being sold an image with no basis in reality all because the TV made them believe it would make them seem like a tough guy. It’s two sides of the same coin.
Very interesting take. Not something I would have thought about before I read your comment. Perfect example of why it's good to talk to people with different perspectives.
I keep trying to tell folks that the country genre is going through the same shift as hip hop. Country has turned into bubble gum country
Bas Reeves
also doubly ironic because most cowboys were black or mexican. hell the word buckaroo comes from the mexican spanish word vaquero
Country music originated with us, yet erased in written history.
“Todd in the shadows,” a music commentary fella, described this beef by saying, “Kendrick had won before this even started because he was feuding because he wanted to, while drake was feuding because he had to.”
Hello, Fellow Shadow Man Fan.
Todd is my guy. His video is literally the 1st recommendation under this one.
Todd was the catapult that launched me to watching this video tbh. Like I love this because of how much I learned, but I also do like Todd's perception of this whole shebang from an outsider/pop point of view as it was easy to digest from an outsider like me.
Todd 🫡
Yeah but Drake beefed with Pusha T because he wanted to so Drake is just bad...
As a white girl from Poland that was mostly exposed to polish (bad) hip hop, this video finally helped me understand the cultural significance of hip hop and why people approach it so seriously. Thank you for the video and for also touching on the history of the genre, aside from the beef itself, it made my 5h train ride more interesting and allowed me to appreciate a culture I didn't think much about before
Wonderful to see others here learning! I’m American and I appreciate others learning about this stuff, and I learned a lot as a white guy too :)
Polish hop hop has such a weird (bad) mix of trying to localize itself to a country completely disconnected from hip hop, let alone black culture. Shit felt so weird for me as a Polish American girl.
im a filipino guy and i fucking love every second of it
this would be the first time im confident to say that skipping a day of class was worth it
What is the best Polish hip hop?
I’m polish american and honestly, polish hip hop (and slav hip hop in general) is so strange. I’d love to understand more about it, but… then I’d have to listen to it
"Meet the Grahams wasn't a song we all listened to. It was a song we survived."
FD putting it all so perfectly into words again.
Frighteningly accurate. Like… I’ve only seen ONE reactor get through those first few lines without pausing out of sheer horror. I’ve never listened to a song that just radiated such an aura of pure raw MENACE.
Open Mike Eagle (if you don't know worth looking into) said he was so glad Kendrick didn't play "meet the Grahams" during the pop out show because he felt if it was played to the audience they would have all been cursed.
Lmao but it also feels true.
I feel like its even crazier experience is when english isn't your first language. when I heard the first line I was like "shit, that's weird... I think I heard it wrong". the way I realized throughout the diss that it's not me and he actually says all these things was so weird, I actually needed a small walk outside after this
@@fluffywolfo3663idk if I'd say menace. more like keeping it so real that ppl are scared to see that kind of truth told. this sounds kinda whack but as an autistic person i've seen this a lot... where when one person tells the truth everyone is alarmed bc it rips the cover off the social situation.
I heard it while painting my damn house, i had noooo idea what I was in for. I was crying up on a ladder lol.
I don't have a lot to give, but I really appreciate you making this video. I'm only halfway through and I've learned so much more than I planned to.
The fact you built almost two full hours of careful, thoughtful discourse before dropping those burns on Drake fans... absolute respect.
yessssssssssss
fr i never liked drake but even i felt offended for the drake fans 😂
It’s so contradictory that they say “we don’t like it when you stereotype us”, but the second someone in their community is not stereotypically black they shun them. Pick a lane. Do you want to be stereotyped or do you not?!
Couldn't hit the 2h mark
So so so real hahahaha
1 hr 30 min movie: 🥱
3 hr 20 min F.D. video essay: 🤩
This is actually true wth
Actually though lmao
I can watch an essay while doing something else but a movie you have to stay focused on the screen so that's probably why.
Right?? 😂
that's because yo uare doing 28 other activities while this plays
This beef got so big that my 9th grade students here in Korea were talking about it and making jokes about Drake being a PDF file. Do you know how impactful a song has to be for kids who are learning English to willingly look up and learn the meaning of each word? Very impactful.
Anyway, this video was extremely insightful. Thank you. I appreciate you.
It’s so contradictory that they say “we don’t like it when you stereotype us”, but the second someone in their community is not stereotypically black they shun them. Pick a lane. Do you want to be stereotyped or do you not?!
What a mad fucking story hahaha. The lengths this has travelled 😅
Shit like this is exactly why I want to teach English elsewhere too 😭😭😭
@@tokebak4291 👈drakes #1 fan
@@tokebak4291r u copying and pasting this comment everywhere bro plz go outside 😅
I postponed watching this for months because of the 3+ hours. I finally decided to watch it today and told myself I would watch it over the course of 3 days (1 hour a day). Instead I watched it over 3:23:55 straight. You do good work F.D Signifier.
Same
As a Toronto native, the evolution of Drake's blaccent in real time was wild.
yeah, but he's also around people who grew up in scarborough, sauga, etc. it's a melting pot of cultures, where linguistics are primarily influenced by south asian, caribbean, west african and arab cultures
@@pulse3554 But he didn't talk that way based on growing up there, or else he would have sounded that way out of the gate. He created a fake accent for himself after the fact. That wasn't the natural accent he had from growing up in Scarborough.
@@theoblongbox4909everyone does this, all the time. It's not unique to drake whether the effort made was conscious or not
@@bangarang3810 no nobody just creates a fake accent in their 20s , that’s pretty odd
That's what I'm saying. I'm a Canadian too and I've heard the switch up from before he started rapping, to when he started raving, to now and I've heard about 7 or 8 different accents and this is not when he raps. This is what he speaks LOL
I spent the entirety of this beef in rehab, I had an hour with my phone a day. And I was waiting everyday to see what happened next. Watching Kendrick fight was a big part of what helped me fight.
Hey, just a random internet stranger here to say I hope you're doing better and it's really great to hear this beef gave you motivation on your journey ❤ Wishing you all the best
@@ldipkin I'm actually doing really great, I'm back in college now and doing pretty great
@@joshuaweaver5020proud of you! You're an inspiration to others going through that.
Blessings! Keep going. It's always nice to get "slice of life" comments 🙏🏿🙏🏿
One minute at a time. Congrats.
Ladies, get you a man who supports you the way DJ Akademiks and Mal supported Drake in this feud.
🤣🤣🤣
😂😂😂
I’m crying 😂😂😂🤣🤣🤣
Yo 😂😂😂😂
But not those men because well, they're already taken by Drake 😂😂😂
I'm going to be honest: I had only heard whispers of this conflict until this video got reccomend from (of all things) a TUMBLR post. And now I'm both humbled by how much of this musical culture I had no idea about and FASCINATED. I'm definitely watching more of your stuff when I finish this one.
Really breaks shit down like no one else does. Massive talent. Taken to school.
🤓
@@La-PetitMortman you’re here watching a 3 hour long video essay too so hush
WHO HERE FROM TUMBLR ☝️
Bro this video is gonna go so viral, Drake is gonna see it and hate watch it.
You should try getting Kendrick on your channel for a chiropractic adjustment. I know it’s a super long shot, but your appointment/interviews are always really fun to watch.
@@matthewl3002 I'd love to have him on but most rappers don't like being touched on camera 😅🤷♂️
@@DrBeauHightowerI mean, he did rap about his psiatic nerve being pinched lol
@@evanc.1591 subliminal received 💪😂
I look forward to seeing Drake's recipe for vegan cupcakes after he sends it to F.D
Drake saying he cares more about consistency in bodies of work rather than moments is the funniest thing he’s ever said
In my head canon, somewhere during that first tour, Kendrick actually said that to Drake.
Drake, being who he is, has been repeating it to the press in regards to Kendrick ever since Control. That just incensed Kendrick more
tbf Drake said that back when his albums were rather consistent compared to now (take care + nwts)
@@mvanse The problem is he probably still thinks he is making consistently great albums
Funniest shit ever because if you’ve ever listened to a Drake album the only consistent thing is how inconsistent he is with making interesting music 😭😭
@@ThePrideofSocietythat part😂
“I’m old” sir that’s exactly why I clicked on this video. I’m sat with you for the next 3 and a half hours, Dr Professor
🤣🤣 my dad called me with this same story after i sent it to him
Did I just watch a three hour video essay about a rap battle?
Yes I did. And I loved every minute of it. Great work, yet again
I felt like a fly rubbing my hands together when he said we were "done with the history part of the video."
@@prestokrevlar LMFAO
Hahahahahaahahahaha
Fly anology is perfect!
wowowow I actually burst out laughing
Calling big Sean “respected but second tier” is hilariously true
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Was he respected at the time, tho? I recall DEHH and the Rap Critic going back and forth on their best worst Big Sean bars 😂
Since then tho, he seems like another artist who found a lane and now puts out work that’s truer to himself.
And “IDFWU” is a banger
A funny meme I remember compared Big Sean’s verse on Mercy to Mario Chalmers on the Big 3 Heat 😂
🤣🤣
Big Sean was so heat from like 2013-2017 and then he just stopped bein good lmao
This is the rap community’s Lord of the Rings Directors Cut edition video essay 😂
and i'mma enjoy every second lol
yeas
Me clicking on this video: "my preciousssss" lol
Bruh 🤣
After all, it is the Return of the King
Came back here after GNX to relive everything till this point.
I appreciate how you shout out so many of your peers. God bless you
"Do not cite the deep magic to me witch. I was there when it was written." -FD Signifier, I'm pretty sure
😂 spot on
You should get into a rap battle:
Yeah you think so?
TLTw&TW shoutout to, nice!👍
This is on point 😂
This sounds like a MIKE line "no curse lifted"
Highlighting how drake's father is Black American, and how he probably felt ostracized growing up in Canada, even amongst other bi-racial kids, BECAUSE his dad was Black-American as opposed to Jamaican, Somali, etc, was a VERY good point that isn't often highlighted in drake analysis of his upbringing. Especially considering how the Black-American descended population of Black Canadians who ancestors came from the underground railroad, is small compared to the Black Immigrant populations not from America. And I say this as a Haitian-American. It must feel ostracizing being amongst black ppl/bi-racial ppl who can shield themselves witin their ethnic enclaves in Canada, while you don't have anyone with shared ethnic Black-American customs with. Having said that, GO KDOT! Lol. Good vid tho!
Brooooo. ELITE comment. There's some scholars in these comments; present company included.
@@gabbiemac Drake was a unicorn. Not just being Bi-Racial, but having parents in two(albeit neighboring) nations. That must've felt different for him. Drake only got to experience his black American heritage and be amongst paternal kinfolks was when he left his home country. All the while his friends all have their enclaves in Toronto. Shaping Toronto. Must've felt weird as hell for Drizzy. Which might partly explains why he didn't really tap into Toronto until further along in his career. He probably felt, at least partially, that his heritage ties to the Black American South gave him something he always longed for or something he experienced while visiting his dad. Glad FD brought that up.
yeah, I'm glad he mentioned that because I grew up in a similar situation. My dad is black american and my mom is french canadian. My (very few) black friends in Canada were all from immigrant backgrounds, which added to the feeling of alienation, I think. I was where I was supposed to belong, but didn't. I've never heard it articulated before, so it was a nice surprise to hear it here.
That said, he makes it really hard to root for him when he gets involved with minors or his insistent misogynoir 😒
Fun fact: most of the Black Americans who escaped through the underground railroad moved back to the US around the 1930s when the Fugitive Slave Act was abolished because Canada was too r*cist for them 🙃
Today, I believe the largest community of African Canadians (as an ethnicity) is in Nova Scotia.
He's the perfect bi-racial example of the kid who doesn't fit in anywhere, and it would have been great if he could have created some art talking about what that's like. But it also explains why he became such a talented chameleon and actor: he can code-switch to anything you throw at him.
It kinda reminds me of how Trevor Noah is so good with doing accents in his comedy.
Sorry for not adding anything substantive to this but I just wanna praise this observation, it is so fucking incisive and observes a nuance absent in a lot of conversations regarding black and brown people. Cheers from Mexico
“He performs blackness based on his consumption of black culture from an outsider perspective”. That was rough, but no lies were detected.
Quick question, would you consider all black Canadians to not be black? This is something I've been pondering on. If I'm from Toronto and my parents are Jamaican, am I an outsider?
@sk___4206 as another jamaican-canadian, I don't think we aren't black, it just means that we have a specific experience of blackness that isn't the exact same as a black american's and thus will authentically present itself in different ways. And even though those ways will naturally have overlap due to aspects of shared history, that overlap isn't the same thing as literally mimicking the particularly brand of blackness that arises in different communities of the diaspora. That's at least how I see it though :)
@@amentrison2794perfectly put!
Thank you for this
"The gatekeepers kept the gates for their masters, not for the culture" sent a literal shiver down my spine.
I thought this was obvious…look at the talent we got because of the internet
3:18:45
John 8:44, "You are of your father the devil, and you want to do what your father desires. He was a murderer from the beginning, and does not stand in the truth, because there is no truth in him. Whenever he lies, he speaks from his own nature, for he is a liar and the father of lies.”
The masters they serve are not of this world nor are they good in any way. In fact they are opposed to the very concept of righteousness.
35:36Jesus💀
I sound like an insane person saying this, but I think there is something you should have added to the video which is that the same social media that you've explained is a toxic presence in hiphop and which Drake has leveraged habitually, turned against him once Kendrick's attacks came up. Tiktok had those same white fans and white audience clowning on him on Tiktok endlessly.
Drake is still leveraging the same social media platforms. It’s worst now because they still don’t think he lost. There being more toxic while explaining how drake didn’t lose the battle smh it’s getting out of hand
That has become the nature of internet culture though, toxic fans who migrate and pop up in every fandom. They’ve just become so much louder and persistent over time, and tbh is one of the worst things the age of the internet has brought with it.
It’s a player haters ball 24/7 and everyone has a microphone.
live by the sword, die by the sword i guess
Legit I kinda hate the way the internet sees who wins a fight then looks at the loser and says "oh I never liked him anyways". Like, the same blogs that said Hotline Bling was great are suddenly like "Drake's always been trash" bc they don't want to be on the losing side of someone else's fight
@@jprofiothat fucking thing makes me mad… it happens every goddamn time a celebrity gets exposed for doing problematic stuff. Just admit that you liked some of their art and leave it at that.
the “A Minor” line is actually a triple entendre because A minor is the only minor key with no black notes on the piano
Thats reaching Bro
@@SAba-tm6dfHardly.
Yeah but it works....@@SAba-tm6df
@@SAba-tm6dfnot at all
That's a Bar
1:54:30 "If you Drake is your number one rapper, you probably think vanilla ice cream is spicy"😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
What kills me about the Control verse is that it lit a fire under many of the people he mentioned. They were flattered to be seen as peers and reacted accordingly. It could have been that simple lol
Right. I loved macs tweet about it lol. Drake and Jay electronica took it so negatively
It honestly SHOULD have been that simple.
I feel that Kendrick didn't have real animosity towards Drake until seeing his many reactions to the Control verse. He might have felt a certain way about him before that, but only decided that he wasn't someone worthy of his respect after Drake showed that he truly didn't belong to or care about the same culture he was leeching off of for his success
I remember when I first heard that verse I was shocked that Kendrick considered Drake a peer back then. And it was pretty fucking obvious to me that it was to be seen as an honour. Not understanding that is downright illiteracy.
@@yadsewnde I kinda get Jay being salty. Dude popped out to drop one of his rare verses only to have nobody listen to it
As soon as I hear "you can check my name on the books" I skip to the next song lol
It’s interesting to me how despite initially being known as “sensitive,” Drake ultimately became someone who essentially makes music for Andrew Tate fans. Meanwhile, Kendrick’s last album was arguably more introspective, self aware and “sensitive” than anything Drake has ever made. We got to see who each of them became once they had the money and fame to do anything they wanted, and it’s pretty clear which of them came out on top.
Real Talk 😊
Navel-gazing vs hard therapy. Kendrick put in the therapy where you need to take a nap after the session because you put so much work in. Drake circles around his problems, but he doesn't move *through* them.
@@pinkcupcake4717 if he ever moved the fuck on what would he make music about? it's a real issue many artists face
@NoConsequenc3 IDK there's a whole world to think and create about that doesn't revolve around being weird about women and ME ME ME ME.. if he really wanted to flex and show off his worldliness and craftsmanship, man try to do an album about grasshoppers or aphids. It'd probably land better than the last few greasy farts.
@@royceroyce7715 "greasy farts" is such a perfectly vulgar encapsulation
Drake saying that the beef with Pusha “went were it went” is hilarious because you brought up his wife first lmao
@@Diovolente he brought wives against meek, against push, against kendrick..he didn't learn..
I could tell Drake was skirting around saying "it went too far" and he couldn't say that because he knows he was responsible for it going there lmao
@@henriettebopda5895that’s why Kendrick could predict his angle. He’s done it all before.
@@timy9197because that’s his only angle. His ghostwriters aren’t prolific enough to actually write complex bars.
@@henriettebopda5895 That man loves to bring up other peoples wives so much, even Serena, Rihanna. But cant keep a woman and have an actual family of his own, damn near 40.
These guys don’t understand that you just explained Hiphop history and the point of it in less than 4 hours. Salute
Drake's blackface picture coming in like a horror movie monster 💀💀💀
that editing choice genuinely unsettled me, despite me being well aware of story of adidon. something about that slow transition with the music, along with knowing the consequences of the unblurred image, just really got to me. great job unc
I didn't know about it (fresh outsider to everything here) and yeah, I slowly pulled my phone back as I realized what the picture was
Other biracial kids were Caribbean or Somalian💀💀💀💀
💀😂😂😂
I just lost tons of my belongings in the flood here in Philippines but watching this made me happy while cleaning up my apartment from the mud. Thank u FD for everything u do
Sad to hear, hope you recover a few things when it drys a bit.
sorry to hear that bro. i live in the PH too. hope you recover as soon as you can!
Sorry to hear about this. Hope you are doing well.
Sana maging ok po kayo😢
Hope you get back on your feet bro, praying for you and your people
When Soulja Boy's "He copied my whole flow, word for word bar for bar" meme about Drake becomes the biggest foreshadowing in rap history.
“DRAAAAKE?”
Soulja is like the symbolic foreshadowing of so much... i honestly thought that the recent "i like the way you kiss me" song bit hard of "kiss me thru the phone" too
If anything has ever happened to anyone in history, it definitely happened to Soulja boy first lol
And it’s so iconic too, I think I quote it every day (word for word, bar for bar…lmao)
@@wakeywakeyy_ It's funny how he was telling us about Drake even way back then but people meme'd it instead of listening. Now it's in a new light.
this is the greatest sociocultural analysis ive seen since Covid on this app, it makes me fear that one day UA-cam wont be as available as it is now. This work is academic, this could be a college crash course on the State of Hip Hop. You are a professor of sociology and I just hope i can digest all of this before my next shift.
I'm kind of on my prepper era but I am for sure downloading cool videos I would miss if like, the whole thing turned out to hit a financial wall & shut down or got hit with really heavy censorship
The history of Drake section really is just “Men will literally become an incredibly prolific and wealthy musical artist before even considering going to therapy”
Another common Signifier W
The way that's literally true of Kendrick 💀
@@-Teague-True, but props to Kendrick for actually following through on it
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@@ianbyrne465 100% agreed
Well if it worked like that I would too. I need the goddamn money.
I just wanted to make sure this comment was said. It was said your magnum opus was the black manosphere video. And at the time, that was truly right. But this video has me questioning if it's possible to make magic twice. This video was so good that all of my friends who I've been trying to get into video essays for YEARS watched it without me even telling them it dropped. Then not only did they watch this video, they went back and watched something else of yours. I'm usually weary about giving such high praise because on the internet, it can really feel disingenuous in a strange way. But you are genuinely unreal at this video essay game. Well worth the wait.
1:54:27
Seconded. These are documentary adjacent.
Thirded. Sat down to casually watch the first 45 minutes or an hour or so to pick up the rest later, accidentally watched the whole thing in one sitting & now I need water.
Word! Palabra! 💯
@@isaacbryce2748oh you just got nothing to do
Using the Miles Morales Spiderman clip when talking about "Black male swagger" is an underrated reference lmao
I was hoping someone else would mention this 😂
It's a true classic.
That was a joke for like 5 people and I'm glad we all knew it 😂
Those are the best kinds of references 😉
Thinking the same thing. I could even hear the guys voice from the original review.
You really broke this down as thoroughly as you could given the platform + medium. I'm a hip hop fan but I mostly wrote the beef off as a celebrity gossip thing but there's much more to this than I thought. Really great video
“The beach episode of hip-hop” is the kind of analysis I know I can rely on this channel for.
It went over my head though 😭
I hollered when I heard that lmao. Perfect analogy though.
@@nikibronson133I'm not sure if you're still confused or not but the "Beach episode" is an episode of anime or really any cartoons where the characters literally just go to the beach. The narrative purpose is to show the characters relaxing, maybe reminiscing about past experiences and battles, and taking a break in between story arcs.
@@casadastraphobia I literally got it like a day later. I watch a lot of anime but I haven’t watched anime that has filler in it for a while and I literally got it when I watched k something that quite literally had a Beach episode and it was a shonen anime😂😂
@@casadastraphobia I mean also, some shows that don't have enough airtime for breaks have it outside of the normal series/season, like an Episode 13, 14 or whatever.
Playing the HISS instrumental over the segment on drake’s female fanbase was devious work 😭 (in a good way)
The attention to detail is so 🤌🏾👌🏾
Wish he would have talked more about Hiss! It basically got the ball rolling in terms of all the diss tracks that came out this year.
The fact that there are two number one hits that diss Drake in the same year is insane.
@@tariqthomas9090 Same! Hiss was the shot in the arm that hip hop needed early this year and Meg declared open season on the industry and Drake first.
I'd kind of appreciate a deep dive into hiss on its own also 👀
@@weaseldale Me too. As locked in as I was during the Kendrick/Drake beef, I was even MORE tapped in that weekend that Hiss came out. I've been a fan of Meg's since her freestyle days, her skill and love of the craft can't be underestimated.
I'm obviously not of the culture but I feel this as someone who grew up in a punk rock scene being fed a corporate product disguised as youthful rebellion...that stuff poisoned the message of fighting a corrupt power structure
The sad thing is this is inevitable once money is involved. Old rebels will gain power and jealously guard it for themselves to the detriment of the younger ones. That or the system infiltrates by dangling cash in front of the oldies.
It's the same mechanism. As soon as that big money shows up, any rebellious subculture will get bought up and tamed.
yeah, the same way i feel about billy idol, green day with "amrecan idiot", and even to a degree with (funnily enough) plaboi carti, cuz he heavily takes aesthetics and vibes from that era and culture
Punk rock isn’t really punk?!
@@Nunofyabizzzzzyour local scene is probably punk, barely any of the big names are though
I learned so much from this talk, thank you!
It's sooo real when you find a UA-cam Think Piece with some actual substance, research, valid cohesive points and an honest admission of bias without corrupting the content. Great pulse on the culture . This is the part of Hip Hop that makes me optimistic about how we as a people continue the culture
And a lot of Opinion
Euphoria was Kdot saying "I'm gonna do paper, okay? I'm going to shoot paper" then drake going "yeah? Bet. I'm gonna shoot rock then" and then Kdot literally going paper on the rock
Fr everything that happened was in euphoria
Drake: “Good ol’ rock! Nothing beats that!”
I think that interview Drake had with Angie was one of if not the first sign of there being a disconnect between Drake and not just hip hop culture but black culture with how genuinely offensive he took Kendrick’ control verse. It’s like he never shit talked with his friends over a game of basketball or street fighter or something. And it genuinely made me feel a little sorry for him watching the expression on his face after Angie said, “no I think it’s a sparring thing”. It was like he just didn’t get the concept of friendly competition. And I think Kendrick is very articulate. He knows how to convey exactly what he wants to say-even if there’s little nuances in there. His control verse was not malicious at all and i think that shows with how none of the rappers he named had any real life problems with him besides Drake (and Big Sean, probably). He even went on to work with some of the said artist he called out on Control afterwards and was lauded on by others
💯 you couldn’t just big up your album and be like we will see who is king with these album sales or better yet we will see who is king when the next album drops 😅
and big sean didn't even have an issue with the verse itself like drake did, it was factors outside of the verse that caused problems for him (whether valid or not). sean felt downplayed by the audience and hated that rap fans were saying that kendrick washed him on his own song. that's when feelings of bitterness and jealousy started to grow.
Agreed! It was more of a diss if you WEREN’T mentioned in the song
That IS sad.
I would like to point out that Big Sean didn't have a problem with the verse in itself (hence why he cleared it to begin with), he had a problem with the reaction to it. Fans were clowning him and the verse was overshadowing his album rollout, that's what bothered him and why he got upset about it. For him it was a pretty legitimate grievance and had nothing to do with him taking offense to friendly competition. For Drake it was just him not understanding the concept of friendly competition and getting upset about it.
Even despite Big Sean having a fair reason to be upset about it, he still never publicly disrespected Kendrick like Drake did. Drake has to go on a whole press run telling people how upset he was and how fake he thought Kendrick was. It was pathetic.
I have literally been watching this once a week
To your point that if any of these people around Drake really liked him, they would've told him to stop pretending to be someone he's not and focus on where he's from, one of the only people who DID do that was Lil Wayne. During a podcast interview in 2015, he said, "I was the one to tell him 'Don't change anything. Don't think 'cause you're coming over here by me that you gotta start rapping about the things I rap about, don't do none of that. Please, rap about your little TV show, rap about girls, do that. That's what you're good at. Cause of course, it's only natural for you to come over and just think that if I'm with Wayne, I'm gonna rock like Wayne. Y'know, I rap about what I rap about.' And so that was one of the main things I had to tell him from the jump. Don't change anything. Don't start singing about killing nobody, don't start singing about the streets. Keep it Canadian, man." It's a shame he didn't take it to heart.
He never said he killed anyone lol.
@@Jalenlane93 Like half of Mob Ties is about how he'll use his connections to have people who crossed him killed lol. I'd say that qualifies as "singing about killing somebody"
@@Shark-Fist He has money. People with money can get other people killed.
“Keep it Canadian, man.” Woof.
Not surprised that Wayne told his protégé to basically stay in his lane, & that Aubrey didn't heed his mentor's advice. This is the same man who got great advice from Jay-Z in "Light Up" from the "Thank Me Later" album, "Drake, here's how they gonna come at you, With silly rap feuds, trying to distract you...", & not once did Aubrey go back to this great advice when it came to not falling right into Pusha T's trap in "Infrared". Aubrey got what was coming to him by not listening to his great advice from his predecessors.
2:41:25 what is also an important point to note is that... Kendrick has already faced this criticism of being a fake activist before. Twice. Once in 2016 and again in 2020. For the first time I do recommend listening to the Dissect Podcast for a deeper analysis. The second time, he faced this criticism from Twitter activists for not saying anything during the BLM protests. Meanwhile Kendrick was photographed participating in the actual protests on the street. Kendrick isn't a fake activist, he's a quiet activist. He gives back to his community in actions, never words. Something Drake wouldn't be able to comprehend in the age of "announce everything or it didn't happen"
God, that last line really hit me. "Announce everything or it didn't happen." So true, so much of "activism" these days is just yelling loud on the internet (often abt things you don't fully grasp) and then claiming you're doing your part. It's good to remember what actually being involved looks like.
Well said, excellent points
This is factuals!!
Kendrick even said on Mr Morale “Thoughts and Prayers are better off timelines” and I think this squares with what you’re saying here. He doesn’t believe in performative and public activism and support, he prefers to just do it and not try to earn brownie points for what he does for others
random yt commentary channel: let me tell you about this spicy rap beef thingy
Uncle FD: I AM OLD. I WAS THERE AT THE BEGINNING OF TIME AND ALL THINGS. WHEN THE WORLD WAS YOUNG AND RAKIM PICKED UP THE PEN FOR THE FIRST TIME IN 2ND GRADE
FD remembers the first raindrop and the first acorn
Factssss man Unc be talking like he 100 years old 😭
Dropping a whole ass lotr exposition monologue😭😭
Other commentary channels: “so there’s this guy Jesus were gonna talk about, so let’s start with how he was born-“
FD: “In the beginning when God created the heavens and the earth, the earth was a formless void and darkness covered the face of the deep, while a wind from God swept over the face of the waters. Then God said-“
"Don't quote the old raps to me witch; I was there when it was written"😂
I'm 28, I'm a student of the game. So, young purists exist. Your content matters. Hopefully, people can chunk these essays to learn. We need parents to play the music at home. But again, I grew up in an era when copping CDs was a cultural staple and tradition in my home. That, alongside Ebony, Jet, Vibe, and Essence coming in the mail to the house. Our modes of dissemination and discourse have changed because of streaming, UA-cam, Social media, and TikTok, but cross-generational education can still happen. We just gotta figure out how...
The mythical video. It’s real
Ladies and gentlemen, we got him
the one piece is real
after three god damn months
I've got an appointment in 20 min. I'm literally cancelling it, I can't risk UA-cam taking this down without me watching it. They can keep my deposit
@@nah5091I was about to say the same thing 😂
"50 cent was a very traditional, typical hip-hop megastar. He was like gangster rapper grown in a lab"
🤔
You know, I always thought there was something familiar about his build and now I can place it:
It's the basic He-Man action figure!
(Just to be clear, I don't mean that as any insult or disrespect; it's pretty damn impressive and I can't imagine the discipline it takes )
Hints the "In da club" video
@@wasserperson Random side note. When I got my first iPhone I set the release date of "get rich or die trying" into my calendar. Now, all of these years later, I still get the annual reminder on the date.
Such a bad take lol
“Thank you Kendrick, you scared everyone. We’re the hoes now.”
I’m crying 😂😂😂
LFMAOOOOOOOOO
Remember,some of y’all still consider yourselves to be black,but Kendrick doesn’t.
It doesn’t matter if you consider him to be black,and drake to be a wanna be,the fact still remains that you all didn’t realize he was saying he isn’t black while ridiculing Drake..
@@JustRyanFromNola Kendrick was not saying Drake isn't black. He told Adonis, who is a whole lot whiter than his father, that he's still a black man. Kendrick said that Drake wears his blackness like a coat. Something to be worn or taken off based on convenience. Drake has done more to discredit his own claim to blackness than Kendrick has, just by the way he behaves.
@JustRyanFromNola 95% lose is you and your likes. The moment He was talking to Adonis abt how He is black man could have answered what He was implying to Drake but here We are after 3 months, there are your kind who can't comprehend a bar
@@sirajosman5913 that ain’t it homie..❌
Who's back after GNX dropped?
“He stop being an artist and start being a content creator” the realist quote about Drake ever made.. damn.
That's why Drake is too big to fail. When he stops being musically relevant, he'll just be a more internet-savvy version of Diddy. "Oh there's the rich guy who does twitch streams and is at fancy parties!" is what everyone will say
@@Dee-lp7loI agree he’s way too big to fail at this point.
@@Dee-lp7lo Flopping is failing.
Drake is a prime example of "I would genuinely feel so bad for him and would feel like everyone's bullying him, except that he's just... such a cringe little asshole."
But to add to that - what must it be like to do something that is genuinely diabolical and damn near immoral - to do something that would be widely regarded as Wrong, but to do it in the way and moment that near everyone agrees is deserved and Righteous?
No wonder Kanye wanted to do a album with him
Besides everyone in hip hop is a ass period
That OVO sweatshop alone makes me root against him
Honestly I think the only part that got me to feel a bit bad was Rick Ross just repeatedly calling him "white boy", like compared to all the other more lyrical disses, that just felt like it was feeding into a colorism angle he struggled with. I know the whole deal is he "performs" blackness and wasn't raised in the culture, but that rubbed me wrong and I can understand the natural identity crisis that would come from someone in his position. The facade is still all his fault, but still
You captured my feelings about the man PERFECTLY
@@samalmighty1313i agree, that's painful to say to some ppl. I'm white but my partner is mixed, white mom black dad who left. he's had a complex his whole life even though I'm like, trust me white ppl think yr black, so while i understand "not feeling black enough" don't delude yrself that yr "basically white" in the united states... anyway... seeing what he's gone thru psychologically w that... i feel like that's really poking someone's core wound in a way that is pretty fucking harsh. I'm not gonna say you shouldn't do it bc that's an intracommunity thing that I can't comment on, and as an autistic person there have been times I told another autistic person who was violating our autistic cultural norms that they were acting allistic (non autistic) meaning get your shit together the way yr behaving is poison to our culture. So i get that it has its place when someone is way out of pocket. But nothing to say lightly when you know someone really has issues w that. I would be way more careful saying someone was acting allistic if they were recently diagnosed for example, partially bc they likely have trauma from being raised outside the community (i have two autistic parents and it's my entire extended family whereas my best friend for example is the only autistic person he grew up w so was forced to act like he wasn't and doesn't really know who he is).
“Most non-threatening goons. They look like a flash mob about to run up in H&M and take e v e r y t h i n g”
@@muleboy3537 charlamagne can be hilarious, after Control verse by kendrick, he said To drake "life ain't a dj khaled song where everyone is buddy buddy" lmfao!!
shout out to the South African flash mobs who got all those H&Ms closed in 2018 btw
Thanks for the movie boss
As a black woman, I rooted for Drake since I saw him as one of the few black people on Degrassi. I supported his music when he was still Aubrey and was excited when he finally got signed. Needless to say, I'm so disappointed in the path he took and stopped listening to his music many years ago.
Same same
Same here
As a Carolina boy, the J Cole section of this really stuck out. Dude built everything in his career his way instead of selling out, gotta commend that. Dreamville Fest is one of the biggest festivals in rap now, bro literally put on for the whole state of NC.
As a Fayetnam Veteran I can not wait to get to this part of the video. Whole reason I'm watching. Thank you!
Never heard of Dreamville
Grippy...
@@979djyoungc You should do some research because it's probably the best hip-hop label ever right now
I don't even like Cole's music but I respect the fuck out of him for sharing the love and building up everyone he could along the way. Cole is truly selfless in a way a lot of rappers are too proud to be. The Revenge of the Dreamers tapes are a testament to how many careers he's impacted and the raw creative energy coming off of them is really unmatched, they make me want to go out and make some art of my own.
As someone in Toronto, it’s so interesting to hear someone from the US notice the city’s lack of identity, which is a line often said by people that live here. To think about the alternative reality where drake actually promoted culture here instead of using it as a backdrop… smh
As a Torontonian, that part of the video was painfully true. I told my friends during the beef that we need to find the best, most talented rapper in the city and just give that guy all of Drake's radio time because he's doing nothing for us.
wow that's a great point. reminds me of his response to the question at 25:56 "it took US acceptance to create canadian pride" he's just talking about how he himself feels
Michgander. The Mitt. We dont hear alot about you guys. Yea most of up north knows the teams for Cold sport season. But truthfully, I mean no offense at all, its kinda hard to pinpoint what Toronto is, why do you go to Toronto? What memories made there. I have another YTer I watch, who is Canadian. Even he kinda thinks the same way. Drake really shouldve leaned into the city more.
@@monitaroy7462 There is none. He made Toronto relevant. Nobody cared about that country until he came along
@@monitaroy7462
Let’s start searching!
One of the most engaging, in-depth, and introspective youtube videos I have ever seen. Incredible job, gave me something to think about while I was working.
Sat down at the salon for box braids and my braider handed me the remote. I turned on UA-cam and saw FD had a new video. The whole salon was locked in on this video. The conversation was incredible. Great video, especially when your stuck in a salon for 4 hours.
Goddamn I was just hanging around listening to this. A four hour salon visit with everyone locked into this sounds almost spiritual, like you will remember it in 10 years.
@waketp420 It was interesting when someone was like “aye! Pause it real quick!”
Two people would go back and fourth about a cultural topic for 10 min and spark more conversation about the video once I hit play again.
Today was a good day to be ad free on TY. ☺️
Whew, bet that was an experience!
Your salon has youtube?
@@lovemusic7122 probably a small smart tv in the corner
"You can like Drake, but to love Drake, is to hate goodness"
Okay I will admit it, I am going to steal this statement.
It’s so contradictory that they say “we don’t like it when you stereotype us”, but the second someone in their community is not stereotypically black they shun them. Pick a lane. Do you want to be stereotyped or do you not?!
@@tokebak4291 Drake lacks morals.
@@ASUV3323 don’t mind this person, they’ve been pasting this same comment all over. They’re probably just looking for an argument.
@@ASUV3323 and substance
It Always gets me How DJ Academiks Yells that his Top 5 Is all Drake but minutes later Falls Asleep to Drake 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Whoever did that edit deserves a medal
😂 😂😂 The man is an alcoholic and it was the alc that put him to sleep. Drakes boring ahh album only helped him sleep a little better. I would feel sorry for him, what with struggling with the bottle, but he’s a pos so nah
you're taking that out of context. he was talking about his top 5 sleep aids.
He pacified him
@@timy9197 😂😂😂
What a video. Glued to my chair. Thanks sir.
I find it very creepy and gross that he was going to "introduce" his son to the world through a multi million dollar deal with Adidas, just feels like user behaviour to me.
Because that’s exactly what it is… he was using his kid like a prop or tool to make money
@@saheruthepharaohprob making his son ‘earn’ the lifestyle he was born into… I don’t agree with it but that’s showbiz I guess. Look at the Smith family… 🤷🏾♂️
@@saheruthepharaoh using his son to make money in the same way his dad did to him when he came crawling back after Drake blew up
@@KathyClysmcycles of abuse
But didn't drake say his dad always wondered why he said he was never around and drake told him this is the story that works @@KathyClysm
My absolute favorite moment in this beef is "I hurtyourfeelingsyoudon'twannaworkwithmenomore 😢 OKAY" just the perfect depiction of Drake's wimpiness and lack of backbone.
What is it? THE BRAIDSSSSS??????
@nevermind.abbs7 and you can tell when he yells that that he isn't even yelling for a musical moment, it's because he is genuinely frustrated with Drake 😭
@@ashlabelleKendrick called out the entire industry in the nicest way possible, and Drake was the only one to take it this personally and Kung-fu Kenny was so confused!! Like "BRO, WHAT IS HAPPENING!!"
@avaricewildman4083 Ikr, for me the cringiest thing of it all is drake's response to the control verse. If I were him I would take it as a sign of respect for my talent that a rapper who just got really big sees me as one of his biggest competitors, as did almost all the others he mentioned
@@nevermind.abbs7 I listened to Euphoria for the first time today while watching & oh my god 😂 It was everything I never knew I was missing but clearly needed! I loved that part so much, I hope I never forget it! lol
Honestly, it is a shame to me Drake can't just embrace who he is. He has *legitimate* musical talent, but he's more focused on pretending to be someone he's not than he is being true to himself, devoting himself to his craft and finding an audience that accepts him. He would have avoided all these problems if he just kept it Canadian.
Or if he even just kept it pop. Pop audiences will often eat anything up as long as the music is good enough.
Yeah like he could've just focused on those actual insecurities and come off better in the long term overall. Even if it (might've) not made him as popular, it would've at least been better for himself. But we all know what ego can do to a mf.
Yall acting like you know drake based on media outlets is crazy to me
@@Mg00308Drake is very open about who he is 😭 you haven’t paid attention
@@Mg00308 His body of work can paint a picture that is similar to what OP said.
Whether he is actually the way OP said or not tends to be irrelevant when what is tangible tends to lean into a lack of care towards the craft of songwriting, symbolism and the overall development of an art form.
He, and anyone, can say anything but the facts will always be what he provides and publishes. Thus, the analysis OP provided is not too far-fetched or invalid.