When to stand and sit on dirt bikes︱Cross Training Enduro
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- Опубліковано 14 лис 2014
- www.crosstrainingenduro.com When to stand and sit on dirt bikes! Whether you stand or sit on your dirt bike depends on many factors. This enduro training skills video provides tips on when to best stand or sit in a cross training context: e.g. a more trials based approach to dirt riding, extreme enduro and endurocross. We can show you how to ride dirt bikes using enduro techniques and dirt bike skills. Check out our site at crosstrainingenduro.com These enduro training vids cover many dirt riding skills and dirt bike techniques for improved off road riding. First up, most of us sit way more than we should. So... When to stand and sit on dirt bikes? It's usually how we first learn to ride a bike, but sometimes we don't progress beyond that. These vids provide an intro on how to ride dirt bikes with heaps pf free training vids. Many of the riding techniques come from Graham Jarvis, Chris Birch and other top extreme enduro riders to form the concept of cross training - a blend of trials and enduro techniques. Cornering is one of those situations where sitting is preferable as it lowers your centre of gravity. Enduro clutch and throttle control technique videos? Subscribe to our Cross Training Enduro dirt bike channel for endurocross training and dirt bike riding skills. Maintaining traction is a critical skill highlighted in our dirt bike videos. Learn how to ride a motorbike with tips from who has applied his trials riding to his techniques. Cross training applies trials to enduro techniques. Look around the forums and you'll see long debates of whether you should stand or sit... we touched on this in the recent article on body positioning but let's examine this closer from a cross training, enduro and endurocross perspective. You want to learn how to ride dirt bikes with our free enduro training videos? Our Cross Training Enduro is a mix of trials and dirt riding skills and techniques. This dirt bike channel also had lots of wheelies, reviews, philosophy, and dirt bike fails videos. You'll need to feel comfortable standing on your bike. Enduro training tips are based on techniques from Tim Coleman, Chris Birch, Graham Jarvis and other hard enduro riders. So get into it and learn how to ride enduro bikes - our vids range from basics for the beginner dirt rider to advanced hard enduro racing for experienced riders. This generally applies when the track is smooth. Everything in extreme enduro terrain throws you off balance, so balancing lays a strong foundation for enduro skills. Trials riders can balance at a stand still for as long as they like, even with no hands on the bars... and they always stand of course, never sitting. So for the most part, we recommend standing on the footpegs but with practice you'll get to know when sitting and standing work best. Remember it's better die on your feet than sitting on your seat! So when to sit and stand are key skills in enduro. A key part of moves like this is the use of body positioning and weighting - choosing when to exert pressure on the pegs and when to de-weight or lift the bike up. The growth of extreme enduro, endurocross and hard enduro events leads to cross training enduro - trials skills changed to dirt riding on enduro bikes. Almost all the best extreme riders are previously trials champions. Balance in your dirt bike riding also means you can spend more time standing on the footpegs in tough terrain instead of sitting - so you will have far more control. Become a subscriber to this dirt bike channel, Cross Training Enduro, for extreme enduro training tips vids with techniques from Graham Jarvis and Tim Coleman on traction, wheelies, pivot turns, clutch control, and other critical skills for learning how to ride a dirt bike videos for beginners or enduro racers. While an enduro bike is heavier, these skills still play a major part in getting through extreme enduro terrain with ease. Cross training means you will almost always be standing on the pegs of your dirt bike and learning how to use your body weight and positioning to maximum effect to apply trials skills to your dirt bike technique. In rough or technical terrain, it's a no brainer - standing gives you far more control, range of body positioning, and a smoother ride. Your level of ability and willingness to risk injury determine how long you will try to stay standing.
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Just bought a Husqvarna 449 after only ever riding street... really loving this series man. Perfect for someone who has absolutely NO clue what they are doing in the dirt. Thanks for making them!!
shadetree surgeon you're welcome. we have no clue either so please join our group. :-)
How’s it going so far, shade? 😉
I’ve been practicing standing more & it does improve your riding! Being able to either paddle or stand is a major confidence booster & I believe confidence is a major key to riding as the more you hone your skills the more confidence you get! & the more you imagine your self conquering different obstacles or even jumps!
Im thinking in startin with cross, and all these videos are just awesome.
Pretty much the best video yet. I am blown away by this series and share all of them. Thank you so much from up in New Mexico, USA!
ben rainchild thanks ben,been riding so much in preparation for this extreme enduro that i have more video footage than i know what to do with, so may as well pop out a pile of vids. :-)
Wonderful tip! I love this videos! keep em up! :D
Great video and advice as always, please keep them coming. I have to go with only sit when you are tired😂. Otherwise stand all the time and to get better at standing incorporate squats into your training it makes a massive difference and helps with alternate between sitting and standing very quickly.
Thanks for the videos mate! I have been watching them for a while now and you have inspired me. Previously I only ever rode MX and wide open fire trails and thought I was an ok rider. Yesterday I found some tight steep single trail near my house that was badly rutted and had a few fallen logs. I threw myself and my first ever brand new bike at it (Sherco 300SER WICKED!!). After a few trips over the bars, a wrestling match with some blackberries and finding myself pinned between my bike and a log I would have to say that was the most fun I have had on a bike for ages!! Bike and myself are feeling very second hand today haha
Hamish Brown hehe, sounds just like us six months ago! just back from our first extreme enduro and we were humbled but the talent there but also happy that our six months of cross training definitely made a difference....
Alright Berry here me out. Your videos took me from zero a little more than zero in the last 4 years. Problem: you drilled standing into my head so much that when I sit I don’t feel in control. Side story-Very slippery/muddy Grass Track at a friends house, 8 guys. I was the slowest one. 1 A rider and the rest were B. We started doing two lap races with different objectives. When it came to “standing only with no dabs,” I SMOKED every one of them. I’m having a great time riding and don’t care much for trying to be the fastest guy. But damn, it hurt me to be the slowest😂 I have a hard time stomaching fast guys who never stand. Alright my rant is over. Cheers!!!
Very interesting point! In recent years our group realised we stood so much that we sucked when it came to sitting, and have started to do it more often lol. I'll have to revise the standing/sitting vid one day....
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ive noticed after watching this video that on my moped a little honda mt5 i have way less balance at low speed when standing but when ive got som speed i usually have to stand because of poor suspension
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"Why we ride" keep it up..
I’m a pretty lazy unfit sod. Trying to work on that though!
Depends on the bike,some bikes like to be ridden sitting down, some don't ,My new 17 450sx likes to be ridden standing up 80% of the time!
What a beautiful channel, thank you very much very helpful
Our pleasure!
@@crosstrainingenduro Please a video on how to travel with off-road shoes
Sorry I don't understand. Do you mean a video about motocross boots?
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plesae make video riding techniques : how to use rear break (main break) while stand up, thank you
i've made over 50 riding technique videos already. and i'm only taking requests from supporters at the moment. :)
I'm 6' 2" with a long inseam and in addition to risers and lower/wider pegs I'm running a KTM factory tall seat. Was really the final piece of getting my 200xcw to properly fit me and reduces the amount of distance when going from sitting to standing (I can still flat foot). So added effeciency in addition to better ergos. Also picked up some Stegzpegs which I'm still getting used to.
My experience on sit vs stand? I only began to progress when standing most of the time, being relaxed and adjusting body position but standing really opened the door to the latter. For context, I'm riding steep, rocky usually dry and loose CO mountainous terrain. Also, these videos have helped tremendously and I would love to sign up for a session if you ever make it out this way.
i've never run a tall seat but should try some it some time as it would be good to do a vid about bike setup for taller riders one day....
Bless the couch-seat interlude.
flatlandr i want one of them on my trials bike :-D
At minute 1:54 you state that sitting has a lower center of gravity than standing. Though statically true, it is dynamically false. When standing on the pegs, the apparent center of gravity is lowered to not far above the foot pegs. Which is why the bike is so much easier to control when standing.
When you break those comfy pegs , go with warp 9 adventure pegs . They are two piece with forged Chromalloy attachment blocks . Possible break the foot bed with you riding but not the forged blocks penned through the frame . Better than begging for spares . Thanks Barry
I forgot $ 50 cheaper here than the aluminum ones .
i'll keep an eye out shannon, although the fastways have copped a flogging on all my bikes and haven't bent one.... yet. :)
Damn, I've always felt uncomfortable sitting in anything other than corners. I only sit on straights when I'm extremely tired and can barely twist the throttle. As bouncing around on motocross suspension isn't very fast in any terrain.
So I guess I've got a head start here.
Your videos are bloody awesome. Where are you guys riding? It looks like the stuff my dreams are made of? Also do you guys have off roading riding schools as I would love to fly over and ride this gnarly stuff????
thanks luke, vids are filmed in tassie, qld, nsw and occasionally vic. as for coaching.... ua-cam.com/video/ERYX6dwmK1o/v-deo.html
Another great post - thank you! But, one minor whoops IMHO is in the text inserted @ 1:45. You've posted that sitting will lower the center of gravity? Totally disagree as the weight of the rider is perched higher on the machine than when standing as his/her weight is fully on the pegs (below the seat)...
There are huge debates about this, even guys with a background in physics can't agree.
Is it hard to wheelie and balance on a dirtbike
Great video! I've been meaning to ask about this, since I find it rather difficult to stand up while riding in the bumpy stuff. It always feel like I'm about to fall over the bars whenever I hit bumps and logs, and the bike loses momentum. It's the same when I accelerate; I just hang on with straight arms, not being able to steer the bike properly. But I guess the problems might be the ergonomics of my bike, and not being the least bit fit, but mostly it's the lack of experience, I reckon.
Cutthroat Bill very hard to say without seeing you ride or the bike setup. but you should be leaning forward when you accelerate, and leaning back when braking so you aren't putting your arms under much stress.
CROSS TRAINING, ENDUROCROSS & ENDURO TECHNIQUES Leaning in the different directions comes very naturally to me when I'm on bicycles, since I grew up riding them friggin EVERYWHERE. But once I get on my Yamaha WR250R I feel like I'm not in full control anymore. Actually, now that I think about it, it's mostly a problem when I go up hill as I have to lean so far forward that my thighs are almost touching the bars. The points between the footpegs, the bars, and my shoulders hardly forms a triangle; it's more of a straight line. I guess that's why my arms get so ridiculously tired.
I ride standing. You do have to adjust all the parts you need to move or adjust to them. Moving the bars forward helps a bunch. I'm faster and more confident standing while going up hills. I can adjust the bike quicker to rocks and roots. I can and do put my foot down while standing for a quick help out.
those places where o find myself sitting more because of easy terrain makes my butt sore among looking like a sissy
Not trying to piss in your pocket or anything, but when you are sitting your centre if gravity is actually higher than when you are standing. When you sit the weight is on the seat whereas when standing then weight is on the pegs, which is a lower point of the bike. Just food for thought
Jack Dennis hi jack, yep some huge debates on the forum precisely on that point.
That's not how center of gravity works. Really common misconception though. Center of gravity is about the centralized average of mass, no matter how two masses are connected to each other. Sit, sit with your feet slightly off the pegs, same COG. Standing raises your torso, raises COG. Has nothing to do with the contact point between you and the bike.
Thanks for this, informative as usual. I have a question, is it natural to feel like you have less throttle/shifting control when standing initially? I find it quite tricky to give gas and shift while standing because it feels like my wrist has much more limited range of motion. I'm pretty tall at 6'4" /194cm and am riding a CR125r without any mods for my height, could this be part of the issue?
Greg Samborski hi greg, very typical to feel you have less control when standing at first... but trust me, with time it will be the reverse. there's an ongoing debate about whether tall guys need to mod their bike to fit them.... i think so and so do plenty of tall guys, but some reckon if you bend your legs more then it shouldn't be an issue. gets bloody tiring though.
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Thanks for the reply. Riding home standing last night I payed more attention to where I felt I had less control. Specifically when covering the front brake and working the throttle on a steep up/down hill section and rear braking. Working the font brake with one finger gives me the most throttle control but I looks braking power as a result. Any thoughts on this?
It took some time for me as well, but it definitely came around to feeling more controlled standing. Taught me to relax or squeeze the bike at the right times, steer with the pegs, and got my body positioning to flow more naturally. Now I rarely sit completely without keeping weight on the pegs.
at 3:08 in this video your actual footpegs look like someone welded on some type of extra ring of teeth on the back or something. We have been looking for rear offset pegs with little success but I had never thought of adding more material to the peg, is it worth trying?
Brian Bradford that was my budget way of doing it but they were heavy pegs.... now i just run the fastway pegs which can be made to sit lower and further to the rear. ua-cam.com/video/EpfNuoNFGTI/v-deo.html
love all the vids..however im not fast enough a speed reader for the great insertions and can never hit the pause button fast enough . Perghaps with practice ( LIKE falling) ill master it!
For me its hard to stand while getting faster and breaking.. :/
DER SCHAKAAL 》CS:GO when i shift i sit but if i really need to stand Up my left leg is not even touching the peg im just putting it under the shifting lever
Crikey dick! These vids are gold mate, all the entertaining bullshit aside you guys provide some real good info here. Keep it up (without viagra preferably).
can you do video for sifting upp
wen and wer you sift
when i shift i sit but if i really need to stand Up my left leg is not even touching the peg im just putting it under the shifting lever im only sitting in really Sharp corners
im 6 ft and 145 pounds. Should I try to get comfortable on a 250 or 150?
ua-cam.com/video/vf7Ls_mZCs4/v-deo.html we do have a vid coming out soon about bike setup for taller riders....
CROSS TRAINING ENDURO SKILLS thanks
I'm not sure that the graphic about center of gravity is correct. When sitting almost all the rider's weight is on the saddle. Standing, it’s all on the pegs. The legs are significantly lower than the saddle. Therefore the moment-arm is shorter and the CG is lower.
Lots of debates online, Michael. I've seen some pretty complex arguments from riders with a physics angle and the occasional equation lol. If I redo this video at some point I would probably now say there are at least two contrasting opinions about it all and summarise both...
@@crosstrainingenduro I can see an opposing argument; that being that if you're standing and clutching the bike with your knees and hands, then the CG will be higher. However, I'm pretty sure that if you are maintaining a vertical (to the ground) riding position and not death gripping the bars, that your CG all be lower. Thanks for your response!
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"SITTING
Lower centre of gravity"
is it? by standing you get more weight in your footpegs (which are lower than a seat) so centre of gravity is lower in standing position :)
correct? cheers
kosteros ah, the debate begins! there's a thread on thumpertalk about 3,405,283 pages long that explores this very topic. :-D
There shouldnt be anything to debate. It's physic. Good video anyway. Thanks for reply.
Just called friend and clear this thing out for me. As one unit, rider and bike the overall centre of gravity is higher when you stand but it is lower for bike centre of gravity which makes it easier to manuver. ;)
kosteros yeah i think that was the generally accepted conclusion from the very long debate on the thumpertalk forum thread.
I mean, no, that's not how center of gravity works, but a lot of people online can be wrong. Anyone who reads this will take their pick whether it's you or me. You feel like you have more control when you stand because you've separated your mass from your bike, your legs and arms act like inertial dampeners. For most small movements, the bike now only moves its own mass, instead of moving you and it (think the bike rising and dropping in whoops, while you stay nearly level). Your connection point to the bike does not have any bearing on center of gravity. At all.
How in the name of His Holiness does one who is 194cm tall comfortably stand on a 300EXC? Even the mildest whiff of throttle sees the bike jump forward, the weight go onto one's arms, and one's body well behind where it should be. This is even when gripping as hard as possible with the lower legs (knees are above the height of the bike when standing)....
tell me about it lol! you can see my setup in the taller rider bike setup vid, here's how to find it: ua-cam.com/video/vf7Ls_mZCs4/v-deo.html it even works on the beta xtrainer which is a bit smaller again than the full sized enduro bikes....
Many thanks for your response, I'm an Australian, so short on those precious brain cells. I'm only 27, but have been riding with terrible habits for probably 20 of those years. These vids are helping re-teach the old dog, so I'm going to become a paid supporter to show my thanks.
de rien.... bitte.. geen dank... you are welcome, youremostwelcome!
I always thought both were required...
definitely dan. my old knees are a bit dodgy so i tend to just stand most of the time now, but all the top riders agree you need to do both....
1:54 crahses
I love your videos! its just starting to warm up here in the state of PA and you have some great videos! I have an 06 ktm 300 that is street legal and I want to start doing some of this riding style check out my channel and shoot me some tips!
Smightification Haha I'm subscribed to you and just happened to find an comment of yours
+Shane Czora I try to get around to watching videos sometimes haha well thanks for being a subscriber!
Smightification yeah thanks for all of the videos!
You guys missed the tall seat, it's easier to grab with your knees if your tall.
BackWoodsupNorth interesting point, although i think most of our guys actually want lower seats as they have trouble dabbing when needed in technical sections. most of us have opted for stegz pegz which have been awesome for gripping the bike.
1:46 you spelled "crash" crahsses
if you add legend in your videos, you will get more views. Because youtube translate that. In Automatic legend translate, the legend won't translate correct
Not a fan off all the aftermarket products none of the pros use them!
Twisti3s quite a few pros use them here in australia.