How to ride dirt bikes in soft sand︱Cross Training Enduro
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- Опубліковано 23 лип 2024
- crosstrainingenduro.com tractionerag.com How to ride dirt bikes in soft sand? Like to ride dirt bikes using enduro skills and dirt bike techniques - just like the top riders? Supporters asked for a training vid about riding in soft sand, here it is. And even though my total experience with snow comes to 45 seconds, all these principles apply to riding in snow too. First... bike setup. Okay... How to ride dirt bikes in soft sand! If you are riding a lot of soft sand, consider reducing air pressure for tyres to 8psi or even less. So riding in soft sand. The big problem is it's counter intuitive when riding in soft sand. You reach a critical speed and suddenly you are riding on top of the sand. Body position is critical. Move your body weight back even further the softer the sand gets, for how to ride enduro bikes in soft sand. Another counter intuitive part of sand riding is learning to relax, let the bike move around and don't have a death grip on the handlebars. Around 95% of the top extreme enduro riders are former trials riders. So it's not surprising these guys say the key to learning to ride fast is first slow down and get your fundamental techniques right even riding in snow or riding in soft sand. The past few years Graham Jarvis has been the king of the extreme enduro world, and we've even started our own religion based on his teachings. We even got to ask his holiness on how to make our bikes do the crazy shit his bike does. Cornering can be very tricky in sand. For more info, see our training vid for cornering in soft sand. Braking is very different too. When learning, it's best not to use the brakes at all as there is so much drag in soft sand.
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What about bigger adventure bikes in soft sand riding? Essentially it's all the same technique and I rode the DR650 in very soft sand without problems. Usually dropping a bike in soft sand won't scratch or damage it. Snow riding? On top of our 45 seconds experience, we've been told all these principles apply riding in soft sand, but you also need to watch out for obstacles hidden by the snow. It can be inspiring, but also demoralising to see how well the top riders go. We figured if you can't beat them, join them. So past few years, a bunch of us in our 50s thought we would try to learn as much of this shit as possible, before dementia and arthritis slow us down. And along the way we've been pumping out free dodgy enduro training vids for everyone. And being free they come with a money back guarantee if they make you ride worse... and they probably will. Hence vids like this on riding dirt bikes in soft sand and snow. Riding an adventure bike that weighs north of 200kg through soft sand requires not only the correct technique but an understanding of what you’re trying to achieve with that technique. You should only consider going on a ride that has significant sand sections if you’ve spent some time practising in soft sand riding and have some solid off-road riding experience.
So what is cross training? It's just applying trials skills to dirt riding... slowing things down initially we we can be faster, and more importantly, better dirt riders in soft sand riding. A coaching session with Chris Birch was a great start. Arguably the top extreme enduro rider back in 2010 despite coming from New Zealand, Birchy shared many tips that worked their way into the training vids. So get into cross training. Over 50 completely free training vids on sex.... relationships.... biology... and how to set up your bike, protective gear, maintenance, and riding skills from beginner to advanced. And of course riding in snow and soft sand. Check them out on our website, Facebook page or UA-cam channel. The ultimate goal in the sand is to maintain momentum. Everything covered after this has the aim of helping you keep the bike light on the sand and stop it sinking in and coming to a standstill or, worse, falling over riding in soft sand. Building and maintaining forward momentum will keep the bike up on top of the sand, much like getting a boat up on a plane. In a perfect world, you go from a firm surface into the sand and you can carry some momentum in. But at some point you will most likely stop in the sand and have to get moving again - this can be tricky when riding in soft sand.
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I think the fact that he's a big guy and he's out there riding like that is so awesome because it shows that everyone can do this stuff. And honestly, he's probably a better rider than most of the guys who comment below the video😂
he hasn't ridden dirt bikes much at all but he's an A grade trials rider so manages to get the job done well lol
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His weight puts more weight on back ture
Lol you would be surprised some of the big boys are fast 😂
@@ashleylunn766 Yes in deed. Fed a lot of little wienies my roost.
"dont over rev"
Me with a two-stroke: well crap...
A two stroke works just fine
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I love the cheesy elevator music in your disclaimers. Makes me smirk every time.
i've been madly chasing elevator music the past year and only come up with eight tracks, paul. so many elevators and relatively so little music. :(
hands down best type of vid that this channel does... the big ride vids are cool but this type of skill vids is why I started to watch this channel to start with ... love it !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Amen! I live in Florida. All we do here is ride in sugar sand. You are so accurate on all points. You are all seeing and all knowing. From now on, anytime I quote your guidance I am going to finish it bye saying "so sayeth Barry"
the barely literate gumby has spoken lol
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Great video! I’m very underweight for my size and I get fed up all the time about people commenting about it. People need to quit worrying about peoples size and just appreciate the fact that we all live dirt bikes and just are out there to enjoy ourselves!
You’re videos are my go too🙏🏼🙏🏼🤘🏻🤘🏻 really help me out!!!!
This dude is absolutely right about everything in this vid. I grew up riding trails that were about 75% soft sand and I had to figure out all these techniques myself. Except for the apply throttle and rear brake at the same time. I will have to try that.
Hey cross training! Thank you so much for the amazing videos! You guys are the best dirt bike channel on UA-cam!
thanks man, always happy to know the vids are useful!
This is fantastic advice and just as entertaining as always. Nicely done! 👍
Thanks for the tips!! Great advice. Now for the snow to go away here in Midwest USA.
I got my first dirt bike on septemper last year and I've done a fairly big amount of sand riding. But when the winter came here in Finland I had to get studded tires and start riding in snow. And riding in snow is HARD. I feel like I've learned so much from shredding in the snow that I'll be much better rider when the snow melts again.
It really works your loosenes on the bike and improves your balance.
If you want to see some winter riding from beautiful snowy Finland then check my channel!
I can only agree with that, altough Im riding for a couple of years already.
On my new edit you can also see a bit of deep snow riding btw xD
Really love these instructional videos Berry! Riiding with some of the members at the local club, occasionally they get to an area like a Hillclimb or technical stuff and struggle. It is now a standard operating procedure to just forward them the correct video.... we generally tell them not to watch the shady character on the Bata Cross Trainer though. Thanks!
Great vid Barry. I remember my first encounter with deep, soft sand. I faceplanted at the very first corner. Had I watched this vid back in the 80s I probably would have still crashed.
James is a beast! A better trials rider now than I likely will ever be.
Using a motorcycle as my only form of transport during every season here in Finland has helped me figure out all this stuff on my own. Winter is a damn good teacher.
THX for this useful video. My last trip in deep sand was very, very exhausting. Most of the time my speed was to low (under 40kmh) and the body position was not correct. After I got faster and the rear wheel more loaded, it was excellent. But cornering is a big problem in deep sand at all. If you get in the wrong lane, ground contact is guaranteed, and with good speed can hurt ;-)
Great set of tips mate. I have been practicing riding on the balls of my feet lately and the biggest and best thing I notice is that it helps me grip the bike with my knees so much easier.
good stuff joe... the younger guys i ride with have been messing around with that but i just feel too set in my ways and am sore enough after each ride without adding a new bunch of muscles to be tortured lol.
@@crosstrainingenduro it gives more muscles to compress you know. instead of just your knees taking impact forces your achilles takes some impacts too. helps spread the load and reduce muscle pain in the end(and knee problems).
Some great tips! I should have watched this before today's beach session.... :(
Great video and tips! As a fellow large rider I say go James go!
Kick ass tips move been doing a couple of things wrong. Will try these tips to avoid washing out.
James may be a big man but that boy can ride! A phrase I call my self is bimble... big but nimble! Ride on james! Another great video! Thanks man
Best video on this subject. Thank you!
Glad it was helpful!
Great video Barry thanks for the tips 👌🏻🤟🏻☘️
From what I have seen of James he can slow wheelie circles around me and most of my buds while I am trying to figure out how to slip my clutch. That dudes pretty sweet on a bike and the fact he has some mass on me only shows what good technique means.
All the sandy trails here in Michigan taught me to keep it on the pipe as much as possible.
If you do a lot of sand riding i would highly recommend that Golden tire fatty. I have one on my xr650r for up north. it made it easier to handle in the sand then my beta 300
That's some beatiful terrain there.
Ban the hell out of those folks, Barry- unacceptable. Much Appreciated!
Keep up the good work👍🏼
Good video and good advice coming from street riding it was hard for me to learn not to cut the throttle but everything you explain I learned the hard way unfortunately but I am constantly trying to master sand and my confidence
I am in the same boat haha. Weird riding in all the things you try to avoid on the street.
Finally a vid on sand that make sens to me!!
I guess I just got to shift 2-3 and hammer the DR.
I was doing it all wrong i guess
Best vids and so much fun to ride
Dr?
Great tips! Thanks heaps!
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I have to say i enjoy seeing James on his bike because i too am a big guy so seeing the way he rides is a lot more relevant to me than that of a smaller person. Keep it up :-)
he's an A grade trials rider so not too shabby when he jumps on a trials bike either, tim. :)
I find it quite a pleasant experience to dismount in soft sand as compared to other surfaces
I actually enjoy watching big guys like james ride cause being a big guy myself, its like no excuse for me cause he did it. Plus he's good on that trials bike
James from the trials club is one of the first faces i recognized from this channel, he's got mad skills!
thanks for the tips.
Living in Florida all my life and riding in this sugar sand since 1967, I have found, its like if you compare sand to a boat and water.
Keep it going on top and trimmed out. Keeping the front tire light, so it does not sink in.
Dont turn the front wheel, lean for corners and stay on the gas. When starting off. Go fast, get up on plane as soon as possible.
The slower you go, the harder it is.
Awesome video mate! Thanks for "chewing the words" as it makes it clear and easy to understand for people who's mother tongue is not English :) I'm just starting and didn't do much yet, but this scenario and how you guys ride is eye and soul candy!! Cheers from Catalonia - Spain
salutacions d'austràlia paulin, estic escrivint molt lentament perquè el meu català és molt dolent. espero que pugueu entendre. 😅 when i travel i know how hard it is to understand basic phrases, everyone seems to talk so fast....
@@crosstrainingenduro haha awesome catalan, man! Yeh I understood. Sending good vibes to Australia 👍 Paula
I sucked so bad in soft sand that I used to avoid it and not learn. Sliding around and stalling was no fun.
I sucked it up and put my ego aside and learned eventually hahah.
So now sliding around without my legs flying around and not stalling is definitely fun
Recently we spent a whole week in the outback so had heaps of practice. Great fun especially at low speed in soft sand and trying to not put a foot down.
I only ride in sand. Harder stuff and deep white sugar too.
Using a higher gear can give more traction, but if you get into something ugly and you’re concerned about falling - drop a gear and grab a whole handful!! The engine revs and tire spin will make the bike want to stay upright. Once you feel the stability is back, then move your ass way back and get that rear tire to grab and put on some speed to get the front unweighted more. Up shift and get your speed back where you want it. This is really helpful if you allowed the bike’s revs to drop as you’re learning and a particular spot you’re entering caused your leather cheerio to immediately start eating seat! Gas and go might be bog and fall if you aren’t ready for a quick down shift!
It wasn't really soft sand in this vid, but I did spend a few days riding on Fraser Island, the world's biggest sand island. You certainly learn quickly how to ride the very soft stuff or you just don't get anywhere lol.
In the states we say "when in doubt, throttle out!"
i subscribed because of this video im new to enduro thanks!
sweet! i hope the training vids are helpful...
Awesome vid Barry !! Thanks a lot...
You be happy to know the missus is not a big fan of yours. Just bought a new 2018 Beta 300RR...haha
Love your work !!
i keep wondering when a hit man funded by angry ex-wives will knock on the door....
Super Duper video. Gracias. 😁
De nada!
Thanks for the tips. I miss seeing you rock the dr650
i wouldn't mind jumping back on one in the future....
Thank you for the disclaimer 😎
a pleasure daniel! i figure i should give that subset of humanity a bit of warning before i start the wholesale banning from this channel lol
I've been trying out riding in the snow since it is the only option at the moment. As all we have is snow. I tried going at it in full confidence and fair speed, and crashed. I went slow and let the bike do it's thing, I was fine. On the edge, but fine. Trouble with snow is that it's not uniform. That day I had a soft layer on top and tough crunchy stuff underneath. Also, everything looks level with snow as all the ruts and bumps have been smoothed over. Makes predicting the path quite tricky. It could be also, that more experience is needed. And better tires, not the worn out tkc80 I have on the back.. :D
My recommendation is studded knobbies with 5mm studs in the middle and 7-8mm studs at the sides. This is what I have as a rear tire on my winter bike and it has served me really well: www.satapiikki.fi/epages/satapiikki.sf/fi_FI/?ObjectPath=/Shops/20130626-11092-229135-1/Products/17MIC02323VKE
When using studded tires on dry concrete, be real gentle with the throttle or the studs on the rear tire will wear out real quick. But if you only intend to ride offroad, then there's no reason not to go for spiked tires.
Yeah, that's my project for next year. And also some lighter and cheaper dirt-bike I wouldn't mind thrashing around.. Not sure about riding in the city in the winter, mostly as the damn goop they put on the roads wreaks havoc on the metal parts of the bike and my clothes as well...
Sand is definitely a huge stress factor for new sand riders. We tend to slow down, and shift weight forward while sitting down and stick legs out to support, my God, what shit. Flew on my ass so much. Then we go fast, things are great, until you fly again even further and shit in your pants for the remainder of the day, that is until you lose complete fear of sand.
Beware crusty top snow when deep. It is often soft underneath. Breaking through will send you over the bars in a millisecond.
I did it twice this last winter. Never have I seen a machine stop so fast.
Living in Northern Michigan, I can definitely attest to that! Braaaaaap... STOP! 😳
Awesome!!!
Well now I just want to go fast in the sand, looks like a blast!
Critical speed.....full commit!!
Where is this you are riding?! (the beach / dunes) Looks Great
Love this Video Thanks! And do get a Thrill in Sand Too lol
Talking about front tyre width, I decided to ride the Trans America Trail on a 690 SMCR rather than an Er because I thought that the wider front tyre would make thousands of miles of sand riding easier. It didn't, it made it far harder work which just proves that I come up with too many really stupid theories for my own good. Repairing punctures without removing the tyre was easy though due to the tubeless rims on the SMCR, but take it from me, a 21 inch front wheel is a much better option but then you knew that already.
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Holy crap where is that? 7:49 looks like Kosciuszko? Jindabyne? I've been looking for epic trails like that to ride on in Australia.. love mountain trails could you pleaaaase tell me where that is!
A few hours northeast of Vancouver... but we have vids on our adventure channel where there was some similar terrain in the high country near Jindabyne. 😁
Im here due to wiping out in sand not to long ago. I made the mistake of slowing down after the bike felt like it was sliding out, I'll keep these tips in mind next time I drive in sand.
Guys for dune sand what is better an exc450 or sxf 350, 450? Actually enduro bike or the mx?
Hey Barry--I have spent a lot of time living on the Outer Banks of North Carolina and have learned a lot about driving on the beach. The locals will take two wheel drive cars; cut out the fender wells; fit worn-out racing slicks and drive anywhere they want.
Contrary to intuition, aggressive tires (like knobbies) are worse in sand because they dig into the sand. Slick tires allow you to ride on top of the sand, which is what you want to do. At the very least you want “street” tires rather than aggressive tires. I would routinely drop pressure to about 18 lbs and go pretty much everywhere using 2-wheel drive with street tires.
PS However, on a dirt bike you need knobbies or paddle tires for traction-dirt bikes are much lighter and need help with traction but, I wonder if a front street tire would work better in sand? And, would a trials rear tire work better in sand? Thanks your training videos
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interesting question bob, we did have some soft sand sections in the trials club but the bikes are so much lighter it's hard to draw a comparison. i suspect rear knobbies must be better though, just look at how aggressive those scooped sand knobbies are... be interesting to test it!
After your disclaimer I feel compelled to comment on James: He looks a lot like me except that he’s out doing shit rather than sat on his ass watching UA-cam videos. He also rides better in sand than me, too. Rock on, James.
Golden tyre is amazing I got one and it lasts for a long time.
they do seem to be top of the pile overall richard, at least for the more technical enduro riding. mates of mine who have ridden in romaniacs and similar events said almost everyone is using them.
90% of the lanes around here are supersoft sand. I HATE the shit! Coming from fast road riding as soon as the bars start shaking it feels like a tank slapper so i grip harder and fight it. I also have to slide right back in the saddle to get the crf front wheel to lift. Some patches are so soft the bike almost comes to a halt from 90kph!
ive road out there at trail harbour on a can am and the dunes look tiny on camera
Here is a cheeper GT "The Golden Tyre 216 MX front tires were previously made in the Shinko factory. GT moved their production to a factory in China and Shinko owns the molds so Shinko is now making them under their brand name at a reduced cost to the consumer." Slavens Racing.
Speed is your friend, definitely.
Need a video of James and his wr
@Cross Training Enduro , Barry , as new rider who just my 1st bike and starting to ride in the desert ( based in Qatar) , this video was a god-send !!!
One question I have is - when standing up on the pegs and trying to put weight on the back tire, I also find myself pulling on the throttle , and end up blipping/whiskey throttling when going over bumps etc. What am I doing wrong ? Hding on too tight ? Elbows not high enough ?
see our body positioning vid, saif. yes elbows need to be up. also grip the bike with your legs so you aren't pushed back when accelerating. for desert riding, think about steg pegz too... see our review video.
Barry, thank you. Any special suspension setting tips?
they were in the vid mikhail
What is a knobby??? The only thing i havent yet figured out what it means in english
Don't eat the yellow snow!
good tips for sand, but in snow is much different though especially when ice is involved as well.
that's what i've been told. they reckon there's only a certain depth of fluffy snow where you can draw parallels with sand riding, after that it just gets treacherous or plain hard work.
Cool, cool... Few questions:
How do i wheelie on soft sand?
How do i corner hard while wheelying?
When and on what turain is the most stupid moment to wheelie and how do i do it anyway?
What if your still getting use to 4 stroke power and the only place u can ride has sand and your nervous of going fast when your a beginner
I don't like seeing James in your videos. I always blame my weight, but now I know that's not the problem haha. Keep getting it James! I am just going to have to come up with another excuse lol. Going to have to look at your excuses videos again, I think I am going with my bike needed a nap.
So is the guy with the Yamaha WR and open face helmet riding a small bike or is he 7ft tall? I can barely tip toe my damn bike.
I just got my first dirt bike and was riding through some soft sand. I don’t think I was doing any of these things at the time. Ended up falling over probably due to getting off the throttle
I personally love sand. It is so much more difficult than hard pack. And the feeling when you just twist that sexy 2 stroke's throttle ruuuuAAAAAAPAAAAAAAAPAAAAAAAAA Oooh my lord!
Btw when you sit down in sand while cornering it is good to be relaxed but still have control. (Not sure if you already stated that)
I have husqverna te125 2012 4storke I can ride on deep sand ?? I try and sometime its vary fun and good and sometime it's real bad
why do you have a te125 4stroke ??? o.O
U were is Tassie at trail harbour
“Trying to control the bike too much will make the bike do stranger things” I tried controlling my bike and I accidentally walked in on her taking a shower
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I hope you get to really try out snow in the future. With studded tires and frozen ground under the snow it is something different to sand.
The studds really messes with what is grippy and not, stones become slippery as hell and treeroots become your best friend. Finding them under the snow is the hardest part :) also snow builds up in your pegs and your boots become slippery like glass in the cold so its like standing on two glass balls in a glass slipper :D
Meanwhile you are freezing your hands and nuts off.. Winter is pure hell ;)
What you need is pegs like this and they won't be slippery anymore: mpm-motorsports.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/05/PEG-SS.jpg
Also, while wearing snowmobile riding gear and heated gloves which can be plugged into the USB port that I've installed on my bike, which also has heated grips, I haven't been freezing anything off.
damn that sounds weird eric, getting grip off tree roots... we avoid them like mad in the wet unless we want the traction practice!
In the south west of Western Australia, if you don't learn to ride soft powdery sand, your not going to have a nice day.
I can second that mate. 80% of my riding is in soft sand but practice makes perfect. Haha
lol i took my new first bike with 500kms of mostly street knowledge to a sand park last year... it was a fun experience. i don't think i left first gear at all that day for the most part, just putted around getting used to a 420 lb bike at 30kmh in sand.
Is speed in the sand important? (well yes- but also not so much)
Barry, I have learned so much from your videos, keep up the good work. Maybe I missed something or I am splitting hairs-- but are you really saying riding in sand requires more speed and the ‘just gas it’ is now a valid technique? Won’t higher speeds, for a beginner, simply mask basic balance problems, sand or no sand?
For the beginner I say focus more/first on the video's points about the importance of throttle control. Suitable acceleration(s), not speed per say, is how ‘in-control’ sand riders do their thing-. In essence a series of accelerations (throttle control) are how beginner to pro continually catch their moving balance (in sand or otherwise). Also it’s acceleration(s) rather than just high speed per say that keeps the front wheel light while in sand.
Anyway, for a true sand beginner, doesn’t it make sense to first practice how to “catch” your balance with the throttle-and do so on some flatter, easier sand and while at lower speeds? Yes this might be harder, more wobblely, even more low speed tip overs-- but safer and with stronger end results. Once you can ride somewhat slow in the sand using throttle control to maintain one’s control/balance-then slowly increase speeds.
And as speed increases (also slope, side slope, sand depth etc) all the other techniques in the video will make even more sense. IE: it really is all easier (and fun) at speed-but only once you know what you are doing with said speed….
that's probably a whole video topic on its own marshal. i meant just gas it until you are 'planing' over the sand but yes a beginner will still need to have a good sense of balance before doing that safely. at least soft sand means minimal injuries though in the learning process!
Thanks for another great video! These tipps will greatly help my technique! :)
I always was impressed with James riding skills when I started watching the trial videos. Dickheads commenting on his weight are just jealous. You banning them is absolutely the right thing to do!!!
1:44 - lol :D
So my 450 is perfect for sand ayy, only problem i dont have a whole lot of sand around
Great vid as always. Can we still belittle KTM riders? A BMW GS 1200 in the sand? You savage!
hehe, ktm riders are ripe for the picking at least until another manufacturer is seen as top dog! ua-cam.com/video/qSg2sll6yEo/v-deo.html
by increase damping - you mean firm it up on comp and rebound?
i guess so. only repeating what others have said, i never bother dabbling with my suspension settings.
Oo this is a great vid because I suck a soft sand, lol... I crashed pretty bad twice this past weekend in soft sand...
it's all a steep learning curve anthony, i remember just slowly muddling my way through of this by trial and error lol. i wish i'd known this stuff back then!
Same here, the good thing is it doesnt hurt :D
also pulling away in sand its a lot of the time bet to start in 2nd.
excellent point reino... so good i might have to redo the entire vid, aaaargh!
:)
lol, sorry most of what i ride is sand so i had to learn all the sand tricks.
finally a name to that dude , lol, didnt see him in cambodia
Sad ya actually have take time post cause a guys out there ridin.. n people wanna make fun of em.. im with ya on that.. fk em, ban em.. Is a great vid
Do you lower the tire pressure or no
This information was in the vid, Juan
I ride my 50cc scooter in 50cm of snow without problems and i have normal winter tires that are same kind that car tires are and i come from finland
And oh great content keep it up
ah but you finns are a breed apart... and probably ride those 50cc scooters in extreme enduros too. :)
CROSS TRAINING ENDURO SKILLS sccoters in extreme enduro? i'll say indonesian and pinoy, wkwkwkwk (yes, i'm from wkwk land)
mabuhay ang mga enduro scooters para sa mga pinoy :)
CROSS TRAINING ENDURO SKILLS Hahaha, thank you. I don't speak Tagalog but Bahasa Indonesia, instead. Anyway, I am pretty sure it means "Welcome enduro scooter riders from Philippines" or something like that, hahaha..... errr, I mean wkwkwkwk.......
When in doubt, throttle out.
Pin It to Win It. the life of a 2 stroke
Big guy here, James gives me something to aspire to.