@@budmcnew7763 Aw, you’re sweet. It’s awesome when someone takes time out of their day to insult and demean someone for no logical reason. Sorry your mom didn’t love you enough.
@@budmcnew7763 So you’re sharing information everyone already knows and think that adds to the conversation? Still a backhanded compliment, dude. Your awesomeness never ends. Thanks for clarifying?
Not everybody buys "budget" guitars on the premise that "I need to work everything". Not everybody can do it. Not everybody WANTS to do it. We "moders" on the other hand, LOVE to buy budget and build GREAT! When one comes that is beautiful and near perfect, that makes them an awesome deal! I always expect a basic basket case to mod, and have NEVER received a complpete basket case. Even when I buy name brands...they come apart to make them "mine".
Yeah for sure! But exactly my point... Those who want a budget guitar that they don't have to mod, are not gonna find anything stacked like this thing! Not here in Canada anyway!
Just thinking about Jeff Beck and his struggle to sting. What ever to a length of wood , what a beautiful contrast to the idiots that returned those really nice instruments,
@@j-man9457 David Gilmours black Strat is a Partscaster that he modded every thing on. He once said that yeah I can buy any guitar I want, but to make it mine I have to set it up to fit me. I always liked that about him. I haunted pawn shops since the 70s for bits. pots, push pulls, switches bridges even hard tail string through bodies and quartersawn necks.
They returned them because they are wannabes that bought a cheap guitar and when they attempted to play and didn't master it in the first 30 seconds and their tender fingers got sore they quit and said I can't do it. Happens all the time. They like the idea of being a musician or guitarist but they don't want to put the work in and/or have no natural abilities.
Yup it's quite possible... I run into that very same thing in my fitness classes. Everyone likes the idea of being fit, but when it comes to putting in the work, it's a different story hahaha...
Out of my 24 guitar's . I bought 10 of them from Amazon. 1 of which was returned for a exchange because of electrical problems . So even though you have a valid point . It's not the only reason 😎👍✌️
@@garyshields3551 yup I hear ya... Everybody has their reason and it's all perspective. For some electrical issues or I level frets would be a deal breaker, but for me, I would fix it or address it and upgrade the electronics... But when I get a budget guitar like this one that needs nothing and is pretty much gig ready out of the box, I can't help but be 😁👍
@@j-man9457 The biggest reason, is that Amazon just allows easy returns, and they just try another one, exchanging them over and over. People do this with pedals too.
Im not trying to be a jerk, here. I just want people with less experience to not spend big money on "uber gear" before they hear good suggestions. A guitar set-up by someone that's a Pro is mandatory or it will just screw with you. They can get things to stay in tune that you want to kill... that guy should be your best friend. : ) You will never get a good tone without enough practice to understand how to play things so you (and other folks, by extension) like how it sounds and be able to sustain it for very long. There's no gear cure that gets around it, just like the earth isnt flat. Billions of People believe in silly myths, what can i say? Its not my fault, just I really want guitarists to not get caught up in myths. There are two things that are scientifically proven to affect the tone that is coming out of the amp. Everything else doesn't to much of a degree, beyond subjective feelings and experiments that are not well Controlled. The first is the speakers. If they are bunk or they aren't for the style of music you want to be playing... you wont like the experience and thats not going to help you get motivated to get the Hours. Find out what speakers the guitar players you want to learn the songs by have (on that specific song) and you're most of the way. In hard rock you're probably gonna want celestions, blues you want jensens. Beyond that I dont have that much first hand experience. You can get there with modeling software easily if you start there, but some speakers just don't work for some stuff. i can tell u fender speakers are never gonna make you happy if you want to play punk and metal. If you're playing extreme metal you need those speakers. The second thing is that non completely sealed finishes vs completely sealed finishes affects it. If it's sealed, then tonewood, blah, blah, whatever... doesn't matter. Just play ELECTRIC, it's less complicated. Everyone's got digital amps out that simulate all the effects and do it for electric and acoustic. some even do bass, too. I liked my old line 6 stuff, but i love my I can't even say which brand, publically cuz there is a legit cult (meaning, they ARE worth following and we do cuz we know but a LOT of the appeal is that the prices always stayed low. lol) that has followed them since early 70s. Every time someone tries to sell something, the price just goes nuclear
You're welcome. I dont want anyone else getting caught up in cults. even though that company deserves followers. they do everything from big, metal tube amps to little blues combos and great bass amps. their new digital amps kick ass. they made better strats than fender in the 80s and 90s and tons of other good and cheap basses and guitars in the US.
Hey man. I can honestly say, both West Creek guitars I got from you, the 333 and the LP Junior style, both play and feel great. The M Musi plays awesome, and I keep it next to my desk all the time. It has become my "goto" guitar to grab when I want to work something out etc... the only issue I had (and you know because I popped in to your gig one night to grab a string tree from you) was the lack of break angle on the B and E strings. I used the M Musi at a country rehearsal, tuned to standard 440, and had zero issues. It sounded and played great! But that weekend, I used it at a gig, where we played everything from country to SRV, and we tune a 1/2 step down. With that reduction in string tension, it made the difference, and the fact that I am always playing open strings, the E and B strings kept popping out on me. The string tree fixed it 100%. They should have one installed on all their guitars out of the box. But for the price and the quality you get, I will gladly install my own any day. I might have to chat with you on that white Tele style... I might have to grab that one too. lol. Cheers Buddy!
True true.or found out it really does take practice to play and that theres no guitar fairy that makes you a rock star overnight. Regardless of how many teeth you put under your pillow.
That applies to any instrument. The problem is us pro's (bone player here) or even semi pro's and good amateurs make it look easy because we've put thousands of hours of hard work in. People get put off when something isn't easy.....
@@ScratchySlide I was guitar center buying some strings a while back. And there was some kid maybe 12 or so with his mom and a guitar. I could overhear them talk. I guess mom and dad bought him a guitar found out you have to practice or it doesnt work. I couldnt help the temptation. I turned around and looked at them both and said, " What, you mean you thought you just gonna wake up one morning a rockstar"? His mom looking like she could use some sideline encouragement right away says, "Yep. Thats exactly what he thought". I told him its there, but theres three things to consider. You have to practice like you want it, your luck better shine as well. And most importantly. Is that the life you really want? I'll be homest with you. I dont think you do. Not that you cant. Its what you haven't seen yet. And if you're not willing to practice without being told, its already too late. You haven't sold the guitar yet, but you probably would be happier with an X box. He said," well what about you?" "I chased a dream that never happened. By the time I realized it, I was hooked on music and older than dirt. I didn't really want the fame. The moneys cool, but Im a one girl kinda guy. But nothing, NOTHING is better than playing a mean solo, even if nobodys there. Its not only a sense of accomplishment, but Knowing that came from you makes all the daily hours of practice worth it." Are you sure you dont wanna tell the guy you want the intonation adjusted, or you give up?" I seriously played the car sales routine beautifully. But I saw his and mom walk out to the car empty-handed. Maybe he did tell the guy he wanted it adjusted, but I doubt it. I did ask him before I left if he recorded any of his playing . He said no. Too bad Because everytime you play, you get better But you wont notice it because its gradual. Most people quit because the think theyve made no progress. Thats usually not true. Record yourself so everytime you feel you're not getting anywhere, pull out that recording and get ready to feel good again.
@@ScratchySlide But you write about people you never even saw. That is hard! How did you learn that? You'd say you stopped doing that, because it's not easy? What is going on, here? Is it easy, to blame others for being lazy? It is, isn't it? Is it?
That Musi has SS frets, a compound radius neck, and a bone nut, and locking tuners. Amazon ran out of them! That headstock is cut deeper to eliminate string trees! Nice playing!
Hey thanks and yes the guitar info is bang on... Don't forget the oversize strap buttons, compensated brass saddles, puretone jack, shielded cavities, full size pots and american blade switch, cloth wire pickups, roasted neck contoured heel and comfort cuts, and a perfect weight of 7.4lbs!😉
Loved that segment that you started playing at the start ... seemed like it was kind of bluesy ... old 50's rock ish .... and some mix of honky tonk ALL mixed in . Then you caught my attention again with the music of the boy from B.C. Now that sounded just like B himself .
J-MAN, good to see you again! @9:00 and on - whoa! You are sounding fabulous. I like that guitar, the headstock reminds me of if Fender and Parker had offspring. I still have my EART telecaster, it shares a lot of similar features. I replaced the repulsive green pickguard ( on a BLUE guitar) with a cream pearloid one. Probably keep it forever. Take care.
Jeepers man! Yeah I remember you! Glad all is well and you're still playing! You're right about the Parker fender thing! Hahaha Take care as well and keep rockin'!
My guess is that the return didnt have anything to do with the actual guitar. Like they ordered a different color and got sent a white one so they returned it.
It's just the luck of the draw... When you are looking at an item, under the price sometimes you'll see "save with used like new" well in Canada anyways, may be a different layout for US or other countries... Anyway if that option is there click on it and you'll get an option for an open box / returned item like the one you are looking at. But fair warning, the condition may or may not be like new. Amazon's descriptions leave much to be desired lol...
I'm with the J-Man on this. Probably most guitars sound great in his hands. But, I could tell from the outset chords it has a great sound. As he said, the neck was straight. So any playability issues were going to be fixable. Odd that someone returned it. But one never knows the full story of each guitar.
Thanks... That's right we don't really know. I had the title for this video planned before I even opened the box. I was expecting to find a major flaw or playability issue but in this case the return wasn't due to the guitar being problematic out of the box... So probably a money issue, color issue, neck feel, weight or simply a curiosity issue... Who knows 🤔 Haha Cheers!
Wow. Thank you for an extremely thorough and informative review. And you play amazingly well! You are one of the best reviewers IMO, and you are an honest and genuine person. Thanks again.
I agree, maybe because of the break angle issue. I have a Sire T-3 Tele, also with no string trees, and the high E string pops out all the time. I would have string trees installed on it, but the guitar doesn’t sound or play anywhere near good enough to spend a dime on it. It’s a “trade-it-in-at-guitar-center-for-$100 bucks” paper weight. What is the big deal about having a string tree to begin with, so there’s no chance of that problem? Tuning stability? On a Tele? No, nobody should have to deal with strings popping out of the nut, and that problem can get much worse if the string gauge is changed from tens to nines. Also could be the neck radius (if it’s not 9.5”). I returned (on Amazon) a fantastic sounding and superb quality Vola brand, made-in-Japan Tele-ish (forgot the model name) guitar because it had a 12” radius that I hated. Could be the neck carve - maybe it’s too “baseball bat” feeling. That can really fatigue some people’s hands. It could be something else about the neck carve that the person didn’t like. You fail to mention some very important specs. Is the back of the neck satin? Really fast and slippery?I HATE fast, satin necks. I’m used to, and, I like a neck with a coating on it; It’s not as fast, which is a good thing for me, and I use the back of the neck for friction so I can hold certain stretches without slipping. Does the fingerboard have rolled edges? Are the edges “too” rolled? I don’t like the way my Sire T-3 rolled edges feel even though their rolled edges are patented and called “Edgeless”. I guess I like edges. Could be be the stainless steel frets. I prefer nickel frets (and so does Paul Reed Smith) over stainless steel. Just a feel thing, although I would be inclined to try and deal with that, as long as they were “medium jumbo” and not “narrow-tall” (ugh) or extra-jumbo (ugh). And last, I didn’t hear any drop dead gorgeous clean tone like one would get from a good sounding Tele in the middle position (both pickups) playing a few lush jazz chords into a blues junior or other Fender tube amp with a little delay and a touch of reverb. Doesn’t mean it doesn’t have it though, I just didn’t hear it.
@@jayaz7781 hey thanks for the detailed comment. I'm surprised about the Sire. I hear they are really good... Glad to hear from someone who has one! This Musi did not need a string tree. Strings were not popping out on this one. However even with Staggered tuners, which this one has, there just isn't enough break angle behind the nut on a fender style, straight headstock, with 6 on a side tuners, so I installed one on the E & B strings. Radius on these is compound. 9.5 to 12. Great for chording down low and soloing up top🙂 Neck is a slim C shape. Fretboard does not have rolled Edges. They are smooth and not square, but not rolled over like on some guitars I've seen. Neck is not sprayed with a satin finish or a thick poly finish which I hate. These necks are Roasted. Not too slippery and definitely not Sticky! Frets are SS yes, super smooth, highly polished, feel like you're bending on glass and they are medium Jumbo. Sorry no Jazz chords here. I'm not good enough for that😕 Cheers, J-Man
I really appreciate this video. I have never purchased an Amazon return but may try that now. I have always wanted a Tele with comfort carves and this will be my first. I watched your videos on the Musi’s with the vibrato arm. They seem very nice but the sound of this one with the single could is hard to beat. Thanks again.
Hey Thanks John? The Musis with the trem are the Virgo Fusions, more of a rock designed tele style whereas these are the Virgo Classics. A more traditional take but with modern features! I like them both hahaha!
@j-man9457 Hey I'm not sure what part of Canada you're in but I'm out here in British Columbia and these guitars are not showing up as available for delivery here. I wonder if they're only available on the East Coast or the middle of the country?
@@Joe-mz6dc I'm from PEI. They are out of stock. Musi is currently moving to a new facility and will resume production along with new models early this summer I am told ...
If you can already play, you can make it work. If you're a beginner, the low end guitar is where you learn how to make it work. Some of the bargain guitars are pretty darn good. Some, like a 3/4 size bass I bought for $125 have fish hooks and razor blades for fret ends and rattle like a tin can with marbles in it.
It is good to hear and see some honesty in the music world these days. Frankly, I believe you('cause I want to), for a cheap guitar you cannot do better.😂😃😀
Hahaha hey thanks! It's not like I get paid to do UA-cam vids LOL, it's just for fun and to share info. Honestly, maybe I'm missing something, but I have not seen anything from any other brand available around here that can compete with these Musi teles for under 500 dollars... Crazy!!!
The guitar sounds amazing, and your playing is outstanding and inspiring. I will definitely be hopping on to Amazon to see what I can snaffle ! I subscribed, too ! Thank you for the upload ! 🤗😊❤️🖖✌️
Maybe, just maybe, they didn't bond with the guitar. It just didn't "speak" to them. That's not to say the guitar isn't technically fine. It just left the previous owner wanting for something else.
Wow man! Thanks... Not sure I'd make the cut up there, but here in PEI Canada, I can fool most into believing I actually know what I'm doing hahaha! It's quite the journey haha!
I ordered the blue musi tele over a year ago, put on new strings and set it up, however the bridge wasn't centered correctly. The high E was right at the end of the fret, while the Low E had lots of space on it. Also the pickups were somewhat microphonic on the one I got. Other than that it held tuning well and was beautiful and would have been my first steel fret guitar.
@@johnmason7425interesting. Sometimes when the strings are off like that, you just need to loosen the neck screws, apply some pressure to the neck towards the base string side and re-tighten the neck screws. Sometimes the neck just isn't lined up properly... But I have seen guitars with uncentered bridges as well just not as often as a slightly misaligned neck!
@@j-man9457 the neck pocket was nice and tight and the e string was closest to the edge there. I could have redone the bridge but not on a new one. Maybe I got a dud, because it was beautiful and I wanted to help it so bad hehe!. The frets and neck were perfect.
Mine is a beautiful vintage blue. Though I bought mine new, my experience was similar to yours. I was especially impressed with the comfort carves. Also the vintage looking rope wrap around the bridge pickup. Very cool. The neck roast on mine is a bit darker than yours. The SS frets are perfect. Reasons why someone might return a beautiful guitar like this? 1- Thought the guitar could teach them how to play. 2- A "friend" sold them on the idea of a Fender. 3- The model name. I'm cool with Virgo (that's my horoscope sign). Virgo's symbol is the Virgin. Maybe this dude thought his pals in his band would tease him. Or worse, introduce him as "ladies and gentlemen, on guitar the virgin of the group..."😂
Hahahaha never thought of that! I'm sure glad I'm not worried about what people think of me because I'd be missing out lol! Glad you got a good one too! Rock on!
Jeez that is a great deal , although I’m sure the people who buy these guitars do it because they’ve always wanted to learn to play a guitar see a cheap deal and pull the trigger , then they realise they get bored after a week ,and send it back ,
I bought their "333" in Pebble blue ( a Gibson 335 inPelham Blue knock off). It looks a lot like the Dave Grohl model, but imho, it's better looking (it even has F holes instead of that weird diamond thingy). Out of the box the neck was seriously back bowed, but everything else was great. A simple adjustment of the truss rod with the (included) hex key, and I was good to go. Disclaimer: I'm no expert, so my "good to go" might be dog poop to someone that knows anything about guitars, but at any rate, I have NO regrets about spending 200 bucks for it.
@@LuckyFlesh nice man! I bought the same one a while back... The Blue 333 and yes it rocks! Everyone sets them up differently to suit their playing style. That's why every and any guitar you buy, brand name or budget, will require some kind of set-up 😉
Great, down to Earth Reviews as usual ! 👍👍 Thanks Jay ! 😊 P.S. Judging from the Pixelation on the back of the Neck, it looks like a 1/4 sawn Neck ? 🤔 Which is another Positive ! 😍
Just How do you buy a returned guitar from Amazon? I tried various searches but came up with nothing. What am I doing wrong? Very good video btw, subscribed!
Ive just had my fingers burned basically highlighting this point. Seems the video was some kind of hypothetical situation for the purpose of talking about the guitars? Anyway - Who is the viewer to suggest a presentation could be in any way misleading
Thanks man... It's not easy, it's just timing... When you click on a thumbnail of a guitar then the ad and info open up, sometimes if you're lucky you'll see written below the price listing something like “save with used like new“ and if you click on that link, it will give you an option to buy an open box/returned model. But those are not always in the inventory....
It's not obvious at all... Just good timing. Sometimes below the price of the item you're looking at, you'll see “save with used like new" if you click on that it will open a link to give you an option to buy a returned / open box of the item you're looking at... 😉
That first guitar the Musi Virgo looks gorgeous out of the box, the cheap alnico 5 neck pickup is excellent as is the Wilkinson bridge perfect guitar made to perfection by Cort, how much was it ? $600?
I have two M Musi Virgo Fusions. Fantastic guitars. I saw where Amazon may not carry them anymore so I bought the second one to have. A spare should something happen. I did a quick set up and floated the bridge on one and set the other as a hard tail. Love playing them.
I bought a MANNIX guitar which even my very musical neighbour couldn't get to tune so the company sent me another (keep the old one they said) the second one arrived broken in two snapped right at the neck/body so probably rough handling by couriers, I was told to keep both and got my money back! So I won't be buying any more of those again.
It's is always a pleasure to hear someone that can play. Maybe they used it for a gig and returned it. I know people who bought cameras filmed a wedding and returned it on the Monday. The same with clothes. Some people are just plain dishonest.
@@anthonyrexhouse5858 you just have to look at the price, and right below if you see an option for "Save with buy used like new" just click on that link! That will be a returned, open box guitar...😄
@@anthonyrexhouse5858 ahhh ok. I have a Musi Classic in Blonde with Black guard for sale for $220USD. Shipping to NY would be $60USD. So if you're interested. I can ship you a blonde Virgo Classic for $280USD total...
I Have To Say! Your A Hell Of A Fiddle Player!! Its Soo Nice To Hear A Real Gifted Player Show What A Fiddle Can Really Do No Matter What The Price Of The Guitar!! As Well Your Complete Knowledge Of Why People Like Us Like Or Don't Like Is Remarkable. God Bless You, New Follower!!
I would say pickups......hardware is sometimes pretty sketchy.... :p For a string T, I use the Reverend 3 string , on these type guitars, or 2 Fender style Ts....yeah, let's hear it for a bit...most returned instruments are gifts or the owner is not in guitar class...it sounds pretty good but I would probably swap pickups....:D
Yeah I hear ya... But keep in mind my playing is just fair, and I using a small transistor amp and a 10 inch speaker. These pups through DR-Z would sound killer I'm sure! 😄
No sorry.... They are no longer listed.... Not sure what's going on. Not a single Musi on Amazon Canada anymore. I emailed Amazon to see what is going on. If I get an answer, I'll let you know...
They're unavailable here in Britain too. Preowned sales are already higher than original purchase price, and are being listed as: 'super rare'. Just as a caveat: youtube no longer allows links to other sites to be posted in the comment section. So any comment with a link will automatically get deleted. Jus thought I'd let ya know 🙂
I bought an Amazon return Fender Precision bass. It was returned because the bridge was offset by 1/4" and it put the E string right on the fret edge of the neck. The neck was mounted straight to the body but the offset of the bridge made the bass unplayable. When you pressed the E string half way up the neck, the string would slide off. So it is not unique to low cost guitars.
Thanks Mr.T! I have the blonde , the black and now the white and all 3 have been extremely consistent as far as QC and fit and finish! I put in a set of custom wound pups similar to the Labria set from SD Brad Paisley... The were half the price of the guitar hahaha... I'll say this, these stock pickups are right there along with this custom set. The stock pickups are extremely responsive to different amps and amp settings... I haven't changed them in my others as I don't really know what would be much better🤔👍
Hahaha thanks man! Not sure I'm a real guitarist though.... I'm just self thought and I only play by ear. Can't read music and I don't know any theory hahaha! All fun though!
When you find one look below the price listing for an option that says "Save with used like new" if that option is there you can click on it and buy a returned, open box guitar or item. You'll save money but be aware that Amazon's description of used like new isn't always accurate!
I name them at :56 seconds in the video... M-Musi Classic, made by M-Musi, And a WestCreek Revenge made by WestCreek. These are not Amazon Guitars. They are only sold by Amazon. Amazon doesn't make guitars, neither does Reverb, Walmart, Guitar Center, Kijiji and E-bay etc... I will add the names in the description as per your suggestion. Thanks!
People return low to moderate price guitars for many reasons, and not necessarily because the guitars are defective. For example, I think it's indisputable that many guitar players are extremely fussy/picky about certain things peculiar to them. And if they pick up a guitar and it doesn't immediately appeal to them for whatever picayune reason, they're done with them. Amazon lets them get away with this. And what about Aunt Susie, who buys her nephew Johnny an Amazon guitar for his 21st birthday because she heard he plays guitar - so she buys him *a* guitar, not knowing Johnny is been in several bands over the years and already has good gear for specific reasons. Johnny's probably not going to hang onto that thing just to please his aunt. So back to Amazon it goes. And so it goes. On and on. Nothing to do with the guitars themselves. Just the logistics of Amazon facilitating the return of product for basically any reason. I'm not finding fault with Amazon - they can adopt any return policy they wish. It's just the nature of many guitar players.
The difference between interested and dedicated. If you read about parachutes and watch people parachute, you are interested. If you jump from a plane with a parachute you had better be dedicated!
@@kelroundell6304 right now they are out of stock on Amazon. I have seen them on E-bay and Reverb used.... I got this one a while back but haven't had time to do a vid due to a death in the family. I've been looking lately and yeah there's nothing on Amazon...
I found a lot of these cheaper guitars have a super thin neck and a wide radius I personally like a fatter neck. Other than that they seem to be good guitars with good specs
@@scottyoung3501 these are extremely close in rear neck profile to a modern Fender Telecaster. The compound 9.5 to 12 radius well, that's different for sure 😁
My Revenge is one of the best guitars I've ever had! The tuners suck, but I'm gonna put locking tuners on it. The pickups are good, but I'm gonna put some Seymour Duncans in it.
Yup there's a good reason. Twisted necks on acoustics are $$$$ to fix. But that's an Ibanez QC issue not Amazon. Amazon, much like Reverb, eBay, Guitar Center, Long & McQuade etc... don't make guitars. They only move product sent to them from the manufacturer or seller... Amazon does not QC any of the products they sell. That guitar slipped through Ibanez's QC somehow and you ended up with it. The great thing about Amazon is you can return for a full refund! Cheers!
Only think I think I'd send it back for is the appearance of the headstock's front. I think in the flesh it would begin to fall out of favour with me after a while. The applied white lacquered section looks a bit cheapo. A more 'classic' all wood look and it's a fine thing for me. Sounds great and nice country chops, sir.
I couldn't get the action right with mine without buzz. Unless you have the action high enough it'll buzz. Didn't want to mess with the frets or take to a Luther. Great guitars other than that.
I have more than one of these and a few have needed a few frets fixed and sometimes a shim in the neck. These 2 things once dialed in allow for low action... I got annoyed with taking my guitars to a luthier as well so I just do it all myself now hahaha...
If those have the same ''rounded stainless steel frets'' and installed/leveled the same way as my Eart GW2 headless guitar, he probably returned it because the frets are wayyyyy too low profile. They level them with some sort of Plek machine, and they remove WAYYYY too much material. At least on mine, it's ridiculous and I regret not returning it. They look like they have been re-leveled 2-3 times already, straight from factory. The only reason why I don't use this guitar is because of that. Finger friction on the fretboard is a BIG issue with my guitar (especially for lead playing). Other than that, the guitar is PERFECT. Not talking about ''low action''... but ''low profile''. The action may be set SUPER low and it's totally fine, as long as the frets themselves are high enough to prevent finger friction. HARLEY BENTON Pro Series is my personnal choice for an affordable guitar, if you can find one used in Canada (like I did), or if you're willing to pay the duties.. they are still worth it even after that.
@@j-man9457 Ah good to know that it may be just mine that has been overdone for some reason.. 🤷🏻♂️ Just to be clear, i was talking about "finger" friction on the fretboard, and not "string" friction or the fret. They are super glassy smooth on my Eart as well.. but they are flatten on top and way too low. Glad yours has plenty of meat! I should have returned mine.. 🤦🏻♂️
@@davidmultimedia2024 yeah I know what you meant... That sucks. Definitely sounds like they over leveled for sure... I had an EART NK-C1 tele a while back and the frets were not flat by any means, however I did need to do a fret level on it as there were quite a few high spots!
No clue... Back to Amazon?? When I see the option that says “save with used like new" below the listed price and it's a good deal, I usually pull the trigger haha.
So unfortunately only 8 days since you posted this video, these M Musi guitars are listed as “currently unavailable” on Amazon. And it says that they are not sure when or if they’ll become available again. You’re a great guitar player, I subscribed immediately after you started playing and I heard that you can really play well. I had just watched a bunch of other UA-cam demos of pedals by others where the playing was average so it was refreshing to find your channel. I do lots of country gigs so I appreciate the chicken pickin style you’re demonstrating in this video. What amp and pedals did you use in this demo?
Hey thank man... I'm just an ok player. Not knowledgable theory wise just self thought, but having lots of fun! Yeah Musi is completely out of stock here on Canada and rumours are that they are moving to a new production facility... New stock should be out in a few weeks I hope! 😁 Here is a video I made very recently of a simple pedal board I put together. This is the board I'm using in this video! ua-cam.com/video/5rsEVmLAC3c/v-deo.htmlsi=sAn0rm_gm8GvR0d5
Returned because of the Headstock, it’s U.G.L.Y., you ain’t got no alibi, it’s ugly, it’s ugly. The body forearm contour cut should be more of a smooth contour instead of the pronounced shape with the line showing. It sounds good and seems to have quality parts, I think it was returned because of the cosmetic appearance. WDIK, I own a James Tyler with the funky headstock that some people can’t stand but some pay used $3000 up to $10,000 new for some models.
Probably because the majority of purchases are from people who've never played so they bought what was cheap and found out that guitar playing wasn't for them so they return it for a refund within the return time limit, without even understanding you're not going to play perfect in 30 days that it takes a lifetime of dedication and practice....
I see people returning or trading $10,000 guitars they probably had custom made. Some of these exotic wood guitars are beautiful to look at but lack the sound quality.
I did buy 2. I did 4 videos. 2 for this one and 2 for the 2nd one which was a Revenge by WestCreek. I'll send you the links and you can watch them, or not 😊 Here is the 1st one: ua-cam.com/video/BwNh5MF9-2U/v-deo.htmlsi=trMHGtU0fodrty55 And here is the 2nd one: ua-cam.com/video/82R444IKVjc/v-deo.htmlsi=Nsr83sAcvNDqVtuj
These are currently out of stock, but here in Canada they were 485 CAD on Amazon. I got it through the "buy used like new" option and got it for $300 to my door! 😀
YOUR COMMENTARY IS JUST TOO INTERESTING TO IGNORE! You have a great Canadian sensibility about your playing, your analysis, snd your thought process! - Hey we play Hockey b/c we love ❤️ Hockey! Likewise playing guitar! ' I get a kick out of the Rx you get from some of the American listeners!'Rock on, Dude! Your playing is awesome! NOW I've got to go see the Edmonton Oilers Stanley Cup game against Florida! Keep up the great guitar work! Cheers!"
This is weird. To know the reason why these two guitars were returned, you must track down the two persons (or maybe it was the same person) and ask them. You can unpack the guitars and banter on for weeks. But still, maybe it was just the finish color that did not match their socks. We. Do. Not. Know. Maybe they simply changed their mind, for whatever reason. It does not have to be the guitar. Again, we. Do. Not. Know. But I guess Amazon charges you less, this way. It's like a secondhand guitar, now. I wouldn't mind buying such a nice white Tele. That plug socket is easily fixed or replaced. Never heard about a double klick, thanks, learnt something today.
Exactly... I assumed that there would be an obvious problem or playability issue out of the box which would provide a possible reason for the return... However, with this guitar there was absolutely nothing wrong, so we do not know why someone returned it, but now we do know that it wasn't because the guitar wasn't good.... So the point is, when you see a used like new option on Amazon, it doesn't mean that item was returned because of a problem with it. Maybe there was just a problem with the buyer hahaha and now you can get a great deal!😉
@@j-man9457 Absolutely right. That white Tele is pretty okay. Sure you can upgrade certain gear. Great that it has no serious issues. Suppose it had some fret causing an intonation problem on that fret. Whoops. Such things happen, too.
Wow! That sucks! And that is a good reason to return a guitar. A twisted neck is a serious playability issue! Not the case with this one... The return had to have been for a financial reason or a wife reason lol 😆
J-Man, we're probably about the same age. After decades of teaching guitar in music stores, thousands of gigs, guitar shows, etc, etc, I can tell you that people return *GREAT* guitars for seriously dumb reasons. They often keep crap guitars for seriously dumb reasons. You will *never* discern the reason these people returned killer guitars. I know that I've profited greatly from buying great guitars that foolish people returned, passing the savings on to me! So what was the brand of that first guitar? I love cheap guitars. Like Jack Pearson and other pros, I've discovered the joys of cheap guitars that are *GREAT* I have several pro level playing instruments that were stupid cheap which others ditched.
Yup I talked about that at the end of part 2 of this series... This guitar is a M-Musi Virgo Classic T. I have 3 of them and they are all superb for their price point... Crazy that these can be spec-ed out how they are and still so inexpensive😃
Sorry, the one I looked at was identical to the white one you played, used like new (really) in the USA. And I think you're honest and deserve a bigger subscription number. I too, kept getting fixated on your playing. Awesome!
It was probably returned because the wife said "no more guitars".
Hahahaha strong possibility lol!
😂😂 yep!
That's why I'm single.
@@kellyswoodyard hahaha!
You gotta know how to work this, then your response is:
"OK we'll go for more wives‼️"
Distracted from the point of the video because, holy f#%k, man, you can really play. Amazing.
What? Really? Thanks man, you're too kind. Much appreciated!
@@budmcnew7763 exactly hahaha!
@@budmcnew7763 Aw, you’re sweet. It’s awesome when someone takes time out of their day to insult and demean someone for no logical reason. Sorry your mom didn’t love you enough.
@@budmcnew7763 So you’re sharing information everyone already knows and think that adds to the conversation? Still a backhanded compliment, dude. Your awesomeness never ends. Thanks for clarifying?
@@budmcnew7763 "Like a million others" There's not a million others....nice try.
Finally a channel where the host can actually play a guitar
Wow thanks man! There are many amazing players on UA-cam, and I am not one of them hahaha, but I appreciate the comment!☺️
Holy chicken picken flickin damn that’s good. Totally made me want to become more flexible and creative enough to pull off lead licks like that
But how much did they cost being they were returns?
@@thoott3952 what? Really? Wow thanks man! You're too kind!
@@thoott3952 got this one for $300 CAD to my door!
Not everybody buys "budget" guitars on the premise that "I need to work everything". Not everybody can do it. Not everybody WANTS to do it. We "moders" on the other hand, LOVE to buy budget and build GREAT! When one comes that is beautiful and near perfect, that makes them an awesome deal! I always expect a basic basket case to mod, and have NEVER received a complpete basket case. Even when I buy name brands...they come apart to make them "mine".
Yeah for sure! But exactly my point... Those who want a budget guitar that they don't have to mod, are not gonna find anything stacked like this thing! Not here in Canada anyway!
@@j-man9457
I think new Les Pauls, are like buying a car, in Australia. 😄
Just thinking about Jeff Beck and his struggle to sting. What ever to a length of wood , what a beautiful contrast to the idiots that returned those really nice instruments,
@@CorbCorbin hahahaha now that's funny!
@@j-man9457 David Gilmours black Strat is a Partscaster that he modded every thing on. He once said that yeah I can buy any guitar I want, but to make it mine I have to set it up to fit me. I always liked that about him. I haunted pawn shops since the 70s for bits. pots, push pulls, switches bridges even hard tail string through bodies and quartersawn necks.
They returned them because they are wannabes that bought a cheap guitar and when they attempted to play and didn't master it in the first 30 seconds and their tender fingers got sore they quit and said I can't do it. Happens all the time. They like the idea of being a musician or guitarist but they don't want to put the work in and/or have no natural abilities.
Yup it's quite possible... I run into that very same thing in my fitness classes. Everyone likes the idea of being fit, but when it comes to putting in the work, it's a different story hahaha...
Out of my 24 guitar's . I bought 10 of them from Amazon. 1 of which was returned for a exchange because of electrical problems . So even though you have a valid point . It's not the only reason 😎👍✌️
@@garyshields3551 yup I hear ya... Everybody has their reason and it's all perspective. For some electrical issues or I level frets would be a deal breaker, but for me, I would fix it or address it and upgrade the electronics... But when I get a budget guitar like this one that needs nothing and is pretty much gig ready out of the box, I can't help but be 😁👍
Start with an insult nothing else needs to be said.
@@j-man9457
The biggest reason, is that Amazon just allows easy returns, and they just try another one, exchanging them over and over.
People do this with pedals too.
I have a feeling every guitar you pick-up is a keeper-tone is in the hands, your hands. great vid!
too kind. Thanks man! 😊
Im not trying to be a jerk, here. I just want people with less experience to not spend big money on "uber gear" before they hear good suggestions.
A guitar set-up by someone that's a Pro is mandatory or it will just screw with you. They can get things to stay in tune that you want to kill... that guy should be your best friend. : )
You will never get a good tone without enough practice to understand how to play things so you (and other folks, by extension) like how it sounds and be able to sustain it for very long. There's no gear cure that gets around it, just like the earth isnt flat. Billions of People believe in silly myths, what can i say? Its not my fault, just I really want guitarists to not get caught up in myths.
There are two things that are scientifically proven to affect the tone that is coming out of the amp. Everything else doesn't to much of a degree, beyond subjective feelings and experiments that are not well Controlled. The first is the speakers. If they are bunk or they aren't for the style of music you want to be playing... you wont like the experience and thats not going to help you get motivated to get the Hours. Find out what speakers the guitar players you want to learn the songs by have (on that specific song) and you're most of the way. In hard rock you're probably gonna want celestions, blues you want jensens. Beyond that I dont have that much first hand experience. You can get there with modeling software easily if you start there, but some speakers just don't work for some stuff. i can tell u fender speakers are never gonna make you happy if you want to play punk and metal. If you're playing extreme metal you need those speakers. The second thing is that non completely sealed finishes vs completely sealed finishes affects it. If it's sealed, then tonewood, blah, blah, whatever... doesn't matter. Just play ELECTRIC, it's less complicated. Everyone's got digital amps out that simulate all the effects and do it for electric and acoustic. some even do bass, too. I liked my old line 6 stuff, but i love my I can't even say which brand, publically cuz there is a legit cult (meaning, they ARE worth following and we do cuz we know but a LOT of the appeal is that the prices always stayed low. lol) that has followed them since early 70s. Every time someone tries to sell something, the price just goes nuclear
@@juicicles5881 very detailed comment. Thanks for sharing your time and knowledge 😁
You're welcome. I dont want anyone else getting caught up in cults.
even though that company deserves followers. they do everything from big, metal tube amps to little blues combos and great bass amps. their new digital amps kick ass. they made better strats than fender in the 80s and 90s and tons of other good and cheap basses and guitars in the US.
@@juicicles5881 cool man! 🤘
Good to know!
Hey man. I can honestly say, both West Creek guitars I got from you, the 333 and the LP Junior style, both play and feel great. The M Musi plays awesome, and I keep it next to my desk all the time. It has become my "goto" guitar to grab when I want to work something out etc... the only issue I had (and you know because I popped in to your gig one night to grab a string tree from you) was the lack of break angle on the B and E strings. I used the M Musi at a country rehearsal, tuned to standard 440, and had zero issues. It sounded and played great! But that weekend, I used it at a gig, where we played everything from country to SRV, and we tune a 1/2 step down. With that reduction in string tension, it made the difference, and the fact that I am always playing open strings, the E and B strings kept popping out on me. The string tree fixed it 100%. They should have one installed on all their guitars out of the box. But for the price and the quality you get, I will gladly install my own any day. I might have to chat with you on that white Tele style... I might have to grab that one too. lol. Cheers Buddy!
Thanks Danny! If these guitars are good enough for a player of your caliber, that's all I need to know! You da man!
I need to learn some of those country licks. Damn.
Buck Owens and the Buckaroos "Live in Japan". All ya need!
Most budget guitars are returned because they were gifts for non-players who didn’t use them.
True true.or found out it really does take practice to play and that theres no guitar fairy that makes you a rock star overnight. Regardless of how many teeth you put under your pillow.
That applies to any instrument. The problem is us pro's (bone player here) or even semi pro's and good amateurs make it look easy because we've put thousands of hours of hard work in. People get put off when something isn't easy.....
@@ScratchySlide I was guitar center buying some strings a while back. And there was some kid maybe 12 or so with his mom and a guitar. I could overhear them talk. I guess mom and dad bought him a guitar found out you have to practice or it doesnt work. I couldnt help the temptation. I turned around and looked at them both and said, " What, you mean you thought you just gonna wake up one morning a rockstar"? His mom looking like she could use some sideline encouragement right away says, "Yep. Thats exactly what he thought". I told him its there, but theres three things to consider. You have to practice like you want it, your luck better shine as well. And most importantly. Is that the life you really want? I'll be homest with you. I dont think you do. Not that you cant. Its what you haven't seen yet. And if you're not willing to practice without being told, its already too late. You haven't sold the guitar yet, but you probably would be happier with an X box. He said," well what about you?" "I chased a dream that never happened. By the time I realized it, I was hooked on music and older than dirt. I didn't really want the fame. The moneys cool, but Im a one girl kinda guy. But nothing, NOTHING is better than playing a mean solo, even if nobodys there. Its not only a sense of accomplishment, but Knowing that came from you makes all the daily hours of practice worth it." Are you sure you dont wanna tell the guy you want the intonation adjusted, or you give up?" I seriously played the car sales routine beautifully. But I saw his and mom walk out to the car empty-handed. Maybe he did tell the guy he wanted it adjusted, but I doubt it.
I did ask him before I left if he recorded any of his playing . He said no. Too bad
Because everytime you play, you get better
But you wont notice it because its gradual. Most people quit because the think theyve made no progress. Thats usually not true. Record yourself so everytime you feel you're not getting anywhere, pull out that recording and get ready to feel good again.
@@ScratchySlide But you write about people you never even saw. That is hard! How did you learn that? You'd say you stopped doing that, because it's not easy? What is going on, here? Is it easy, to blame others for being lazy? It is, isn't it? Is it?
@@voornaam3191 You okay....?
That Musi has SS frets, a compound radius neck, and a bone nut, and locking tuners. Amazon ran out of them! That headstock is cut deeper to eliminate string trees! Nice playing!
Hey thanks and yes the guitar info is bang on... Don't forget the oversize strap buttons, compensated brass saddles, puretone jack, shielded cavities, full size pots and american blade switch, cloth wire pickups, roasted neck contoured heel and comfort cuts, and a perfect weight of 7.4lbs!😉
They returned it because they couldn't play it like srv in a couple of weeks
Hahaha! I've been playing for 30 years and I can't even dream of playing like SRV lol! Besides only SRV plays like SRV! Hahaha
You mean, that's not a valid reason for returning a guitar? Damn! I guess I'll have to keep my Harley Benton after all.
@@lawman3966 hahaha!
Loved that segment that you started playing at the start ...
seemed like it was kind of bluesy ... old 50's rock ish .... and some mix of honky tonk ALL mixed in .
Then you caught my attention again with the music of the boy from B.C.
Now that sounded just like B himself .
Thanks man! Glad I didn't butcher it to the point that it was unrecognisable lol! Thanks for commenting!
Great playing!
J-MAN, good to see you again! @9:00 and on - whoa! You are sounding fabulous. I like that guitar, the headstock reminds me of if Fender and Parker had offspring. I still have my EART telecaster, it shares a lot of similar features. I replaced the repulsive green pickguard ( on a BLUE guitar) with a cream pearloid one. Probably keep it forever. Take care.
Jeepers man! Yeah I remember you! Glad all is well and you're still playing! You're right about the Parker fender thing! Hahaha
Take care as well and keep rockin'!
My guess is that the return didnt have anything to do with the actual guitar. Like they ordered a different color and got sent a white one so they returned it.
Yup could possibly be🤔
Bingo! Happens all the time in mail-order.
60 cycle hum isn’t caused by the speaker, it’s causaed by noise in the environment from flourescents, bad grounding, etc. I think the Musi is great.
Thanks! I never get 60cycle hum with my Musis... No matter what bar we're playing in. I think they are great too! 😃
Bull. It’s caused by single coil which is why humbuckers cancel hum
@@garypenton1583 just shield everything like they do on these from factory and you're fine! 😄
Where are you finding the "returned" guitars?
It's just the luck of the draw...
When you are looking at an item, under the price sometimes you'll see "save with used like new" well in Canada anyways, may be a different layout for US or other countries...
Anyway if that option is there click on it and you'll get an option for an open box / returned item like the one you are looking at. But fair warning, the condition may or may not be like new. Amazon's descriptions leave much to be desired lol...
I'm with the J-Man on this. Probably most guitars sound great in his hands. But, I could tell from the outset chords it has a great sound. As he said, the neck was straight. So any playability issues were going to be fixable. Odd that someone returned it. But one never knows the full story of each guitar.
Thanks... That's right we don't really know. I had the title for this video planned before I even opened the box. I was expecting to find a major flaw or playability issue but in this case the return wasn't due to the guitar being problematic out of the box... So probably a money issue, color issue, neck feel, weight or simply a curiosity issue... Who knows 🤔
Haha
Cheers!
I've been wanting a white tele and strat style ...These are killer.
Yeah but apparently not killer enough for people to keep hahaha. No clue why this one was returned. It is awesome right out of the box! 😁
@j-man9457 I'm sure it was probably someone buying reviewing returning or maybe a drunk purchase hahahah
Wow. Thank you for an extremely thorough and informative review. And you play amazingly well! You are one of the best reviewers IMO, and you are an honest and genuine person. Thanks again.
@@dmbar1953 thanks man. Much appreciated! 😊
I agree, maybe because of the break angle issue. I have a Sire T-3 Tele, also with no string trees, and the high E string pops out all the time. I would have string trees installed on it, but the guitar doesn’t sound or play anywhere near good enough to spend a dime on it. It’s a “trade-it-in-at-guitar-center-for-$100 bucks” paper weight. What is the big deal about having a string tree to begin with, so there’s no chance of that problem? Tuning stability? On a Tele? No, nobody should have to deal with strings popping out of the nut, and that problem can get much worse if the string gauge is changed from tens to nines.
Also could be the neck radius (if it’s not 9.5”). I returned (on Amazon) a fantastic sounding and superb quality Vola brand, made-in-Japan Tele-ish (forgot the model name) guitar because it had a 12” radius that I hated.
Could be the neck carve - maybe it’s too “baseball bat” feeling. That can really fatigue some people’s hands. It could be something else about the neck carve that the person didn’t like. You fail to mention some very important specs.
Is the back of the neck satin? Really fast and slippery?I HATE fast, satin necks. I’m used to, and, I like a neck with a coating on it; It’s not as fast, which is a good thing for me, and I use the back of the neck for friction so I can hold certain stretches without slipping.
Does the fingerboard have rolled edges? Are the edges “too” rolled? I don’t like the way my Sire T-3 rolled edges feel even though their rolled edges are patented and called “Edgeless”. I guess I like edges.
Could be be the stainless steel frets. I prefer nickel frets (and so does Paul Reed Smith) over stainless steel. Just a feel thing, although I would be inclined to try and deal with that, as long as they were “medium jumbo” and not “narrow-tall” (ugh) or extra-jumbo (ugh).
And last, I didn’t hear any drop dead gorgeous clean tone like one would get from a good sounding Tele in the middle position (both pickups) playing a few lush jazz chords into a blues junior or other Fender tube amp with a little delay and a touch of reverb. Doesn’t mean it doesn’t have it though, I just didn’t hear it.
@@jayaz7781 hey thanks for the detailed comment. I'm surprised about the Sire. I hear they are really good... Glad to hear from someone who has one!
This Musi did not need a string tree. Strings were not popping out on this one. However even with Staggered tuners, which this one has, there just isn't enough break angle behind the nut on a fender style, straight headstock, with 6 on a side tuners, so I installed one on the E & B strings.
Radius on these is compound. 9.5 to 12. Great for chording down low and soloing up top🙂
Neck is a slim C shape. Fretboard does not have rolled Edges. They are smooth and not square, but not rolled over like on some guitars I've seen.
Neck is not sprayed with a satin finish or a thick poly finish which I hate. These necks are Roasted. Not too slippery and definitely not Sticky!
Frets are SS yes, super smooth, highly polished, feel like you're bending on glass and they are medium Jumbo.
Sorry no Jazz chords here. I'm not good enough for that😕
Cheers,
J-Man
I really appreciate this video. I have never purchased an Amazon return but may try that now. I have always wanted a Tele with comfort carves and this will be my first. I watched your videos on the Musi’s with the vibrato arm. They seem very nice but the sound of this one with the single could is hard to beat. Thanks again.
Hey Thanks John? The Musis with the trem are the Virgo Fusions, more of a rock designed tele style whereas these are the Virgo Classics. A more traditional take but with modern features!
I like them both hahaha!
@j-man9457 Hey I'm not sure what part of Canada you're in but I'm out here in British Columbia and these guitars are not showing up as available for delivery here. I wonder if they're only available on the East Coast or the middle of the country?
@@Joe-mz6dc I'm from PEI.
They are out of stock. Musi is currently moving to a new facility and will resume production along with new models early this summer I am told ...
Dude is on Blues Fiya yeah Thanx Bro.
No thank you!
If you can already play, you can make it work. If you're a beginner, the low end guitar is where you learn how to make it work. Some of the bargain guitars are pretty darn good. Some, like a 3/4 size bass I bought for $125 have fish hooks and razor blades for fret ends and rattle like a tin can with marbles in it.
@@breft3416 hahaha! I hear you. But honestly, these Musis are fantastic! None of those issues! 😀
It is good to hear and see some honesty in the music world these days. Frankly, I believe you('cause I want to), for a cheap guitar you cannot do better.😂😃😀
Hahaha hey thanks!
It's not like I get paid to do UA-cam vids LOL, it's just for fun and to share info. Honestly, maybe I'm missing something, but I have not seen anything from any other brand available around here that can compete with these Musi teles for under 500 dollars... Crazy!!!
The guitar sounds amazing, and your playing is outstanding and inspiring. I will definitely be hopping on to Amazon to see what I can snaffle ! I subscribed, too ! Thank you for the upload ! 🤗😊❤️🖖✌️
@@raymondwilliams2609 thank you man! ☺️
Maybe, just maybe, they didn't bond with the guitar. It just didn't "speak" to them. That's not to say the guitar isn't technically fine. It just left the previous owner wanting for something else.
Yup for sure a possibility! 😁
Exactly
I've never bonded with Tele's either. I prefer Les Paul's or SG's.
Curious, I haven’t looked myself. What kind of prices are these returned guitars from Amazon ? They look really nice.
This one I got for 300. Regular the are 485...
@@j-man9457 Thanks. That’s workable 👍
@@TimHWolfe 👍
Man, if you're wearing a jacket because you're cold, you might think about all that ventilation down South that you're 'exposing yourself' to!
Hahaha!
Play some Skynyrd! Just playing.😆 That sounded awesome!! I haven’t heard of that brand. I’m going to check it out. Thank you for the video. 😎👍🏽
Damn. You could be lead guitar for any country band around San Diego.
Wow man! Thanks... Not sure I'd make the cut up there, but here in PEI Canada, I can fool most into believing I actually know what I'm doing hahaha!
It's quite the journey haha!
I ordered the blue musi tele over a year ago, put on new strings and set it up, however the bridge wasn't centered correctly. The high E was right at the end of the fret, while the Low E had lots of space on it. Also the pickups were somewhat microphonic on the one I got. Other than that it held tuning well and was beautiful and would have been my first steel fret guitar.
@@johnmason7425interesting. Sometimes when the strings are off like that, you just need to loosen the neck screws, apply some pressure to the neck towards the base string side and re-tighten the neck screws. Sometimes the neck just isn't lined up properly... But I have seen guitars with uncentered bridges as well just not as often as a slightly misaligned neck!
@@j-man9457 the neck pocket was nice and tight and the e string was closest to the edge there. I could have redone the bridge but not on a new one. Maybe I got a dud, because it was beautiful and I wanted to help it so bad hehe!. The frets and neck were perfect.
@@johnmason7425 yeah that's really too bad 😞
Mine is a beautiful vintage blue. Though I bought mine new, my experience was similar to yours. I was especially impressed with the comfort carves. Also the vintage looking rope wrap around the bridge pickup. Very cool. The neck roast on mine is a bit darker than yours. The SS frets are perfect.
Reasons why someone might return a beautiful guitar like this? 1- Thought the guitar could teach them how to play. 2- A "friend" sold them on the idea of a Fender. 3- The model name. I'm cool with Virgo (that's my horoscope sign). Virgo's symbol is the Virgin. Maybe this dude thought his pals in his band would tease him. Or worse, introduce him as "ladies and gentlemen, on guitar the virgin of the group..."😂
Hahahaha never thought of that! I'm sure glad I'm not worried about what people think of me because I'd be missing out lol!
Glad you got a good one too!
Rock on!
Jeez that is a great deal , although I’m sure the people who buy these guitars do it because they’ve always wanted to learn to play a guitar see a cheap deal and pull the trigger , then they realise they get bored after a week ,and send it back ,
@@Alanoffer yup definitely a possible reason!🙂
I’ve never jumped down the westcreek rabbit hole, but everything I have seen just casually on UA-cam has been positive
I've had everyone of their models and demoed everyone. After a set up they are spot on! Very consistent QC on their models!
Next…..l
I bought their "333" in Pebble blue ( a Gibson 335 inPelham Blue knock off). It looks a lot like the Dave Grohl model, but imho, it's better looking (it even has F holes instead of that weird diamond thingy).
Out of the box the neck was seriously back bowed, but everything else was great. A simple adjustment of the truss rod with the (included) hex key, and I was good to go.
Disclaimer: I'm no expert, so my "good to go" might be dog poop to someone that knows anything about guitars, but at any rate, I have NO regrets about spending 200 bucks for it.
@@LuckyFlesh nice man!
I bought the same one a while back... The Blue 333 and yes it rocks! Everyone sets them up differently to suit their playing style. That's why every and any guitar you buy, brand name or budget, will require some kind of set-up 😉
J-Man can J-Jam. I like how you explain what may or may not be easily resolved with some TLC.
Thanks George!
These low priced guitars are GREAT for us guitar modders. With a little knowledge and effort, these guitars become Great work horse guitars 🙂
@@comment.highlighted 100% agree!
Great, down to Earth Reviews as usual ! 👍👍
Thanks Jay ! 😊
P.S. Judging from the Pixelation on the back of the Neck, it looks like a 1/4 sawn Neck ? 🤔
Which is another Positive ! 😍
Hey thanks CC! Great to hear from you. Hope all is well! Yup you're right. This neck is 1/4 sawn!
Rock on!
Just How do you buy a returned guitar from Amazon? I tried various searches but came up with nothing. What am I doing wrong? Very good video btw, subscribed!
Ive just had my fingers burned basically highlighting this point. Seems the video was some kind of hypothetical situation for the purpose of talking about the guitars? Anyway - Who is the viewer to suggest a presentation could be in any way misleading
Thanks man... It's not easy, it's just timing... When you click on a thumbnail of a guitar then the ad and info open up, sometimes if you're lucky you'll see written below the price listing something like “save with used like new“ and if you click on that link, it will give you an option to buy an open box/returned model. But those are not always in the inventory....
So I don't understand how to order returned items?
It's not obvious at all... Just good timing. Sometimes below the price of the item you're looking at, you'll see “save with used like new" if you click on that it will open a link to give you an option to buy a returned / open box of the item you're looking at...
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That first guitar the Musi Virgo looks gorgeous out of the box, the cheap alnico 5 neck pickup is excellent as is the Wilkinson bridge perfect guitar made to perfection by Cort, how much was it ? $600?
Regular 485, I got it used for 300$!
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As a Canadian myself, how do you buy these from Amazon?
Just watch the listings and look for Used like new or type open box guitars..... They are rare but sometimes you get lucky. 🙂
I have two M Musi Virgo Fusions. Fantastic guitars. I saw where Amazon may not carry them anymore so I bought the second one to have. A spare should something happen. I did a quick set up and floated the bridge on one and set the other as a hard tail. Love playing them.
Nice man! Same here love the fusions!
You sir.....are an AMAZING guitarist !!! Love that chicken pickin !!!
Thanks man! Just self thought and I'm pretty rough at times but man I really love those Nashville guys,they are so amazing! 😍
SOUNDS GREAT LOT OF DEPTH GOOD PLAYING ALSO I HAVE TELECASTER SQUIRE I BEEN SINGING AND PLAYING OVER FIFTY YEARS 😊
Ahhhh right on man!
Good for you!
Rock on!
Your country style pickin' sounds great on that Musi. Really great.
@@treystone1993 ahhh thanks man!
Still have lots to learn lol!
I bought a MANNIX guitar which even my very musical neighbour couldn't get to tune so the company sent me another (keep the old one they said) the second one arrived broken in two snapped right at the neck/body so probably rough handling by couriers, I was told to keep both and got my money back! So I won't be buying any more of those again.
@@rickhicks2445 Mannix? Never heard of them... Where do you get these?
It's is always a pleasure to hear someone that can play. Maybe they used it for a gig and returned it. I know people who bought cameras filmed a wedding and returned it on the Monday. The same with clothes. Some people are just plain dishonest.
Hey thanks man!
Yeah since it is definitely not a guitar issue, it could be a multitude of reasons why this was returned!
Do you buy returned guitars from Amazon? If so, where are they listed? Thanks!
@@anthonyrexhouse5858 you just have to look at the price, and right below if you see an option for "Save with buy used like new" just click on that link! That will be a returned, open box guitar...😄
@@j-man9457 Thank you. It doesn't look like they sell the Musi guitars anymore
@@anthonyrexhouse5858
Hey no they are out of stock in North America. Are you from Canada?
@@j-man9457 No. New York, USA
@@anthonyrexhouse5858 ahhh ok. I have a Musi Classic in Blonde with Black guard for sale for $220USD.
Shipping to NY would be $60USD.
So if you're interested. I can ship you a blonde Virgo Classic for $280USD total...
Wow! Great Tele. Is it for sale? For how much? I just heard the playing part of it
It's awesome, and it's already gone... My good friend really wanted it and I already have 2 of these, I'm happy he's happy! 😄
I Have To Say! Your A Hell Of A Fiddle Player!! Its Soo Nice To Hear A Real Gifted Player Show What A Fiddle Can Really Do No Matter What The Price Of The Guitar!! As Well Your Complete Knowledge Of Why People Like Us Like Or Don't Like Is Remarkable. God Bless You, New Follower!!
Thanks man. Never heard the guitar referred to as a fiddle before, but it's cool, 😎. Welcome to the Channel!
Daammnn…….dude can play now………
Nice demo, what did the guitar cost from Amazon?
@@Timba-w7f new here in Canada these go for $485 CAD
But I got this one as a return for $300!
I would say pickups......hardware is sometimes pretty sketchy.... :p For a string T, I use the Reverend 3 string , on these type guitars, or 2 Fender style Ts....yeah, let's hear it for a bit...most returned instruments are gifts or the owner is not in guitar class...it sounds pretty good but I would probably swap pickups....:D
Yeah I hear ya... But keep in mind my playing is just fair, and I using a small transistor amp and a 10 inch speaker. These pups through DR-Z would sound killer I'm sure! 😄
Sweet playing! Do you have any Amazon links for this guitar please?
No sorry.... They are no longer listed.... Not sure what's going on. Not a single Musi on Amazon Canada anymore. I emailed Amazon to see what is going on. If I get an answer, I'll let you know...
They're unavailable here in Britain too. Preowned sales are already higher than original purchase price, and are being listed as: 'super rare'. Just as a caveat: youtube no longer allows links to other sites to be posted in the comment section. So any comment with a link will automatically get deleted. Jus thought I'd let ya know 🙂
@@victorymansions man that sucks. Thanks for the update.🙂
@@j-man9457 no worries dude, thanks for showcasing this
@@victorymansions Thank you for watching and commenting!😊
I bought an Amazon return Fender Precision bass. It was returned because the bridge was offset by 1/4" and it put the E string right on the fret edge of the neck. The neck was mounted straight to the body but the offset of the bridge made the bass unplayable. When you pressed the E string half way up the neck, the string would slide off. So it is not unique to low cost guitars.
Interesting! Did you fix it or send it back?
This Musi has perfectly dialed in alignment so definitely not the reason for the return...
Coming through the video it sound great tone wise
but your playing is killer🎸
Ahhh thanks man! You're too kind! 😊
I had a friend I grew up with he returned just about everything he bought.
@@45colt87 hahaha, well if this was his, thank him for me. It's awesome lol!
Great job. Nice playing. Loved the guitars
@@samscott54 Thanks buddy!
Amazing guitars for the price.😃
Very nice !
Add string trees, maybe upgrade the pickups, and it's a daily driver!
I wouldn't get the white paint job though
Thanks Mr.T!
I have the blonde , the black and now the white and all 3 have been extremely consistent as far as QC and fit and finish!
I put in a set of custom wound pups similar to the Labria set from SD Brad Paisley... The were half the price of the guitar hahaha... I'll say this, these stock pickups are right there along with this custom set. The stock pickups are extremely responsive to different amps and amp settings... I haven't changed them in my others as I don't really know what would be much better🤔👍
@@j-man9457 I had a Tele from USA CUSTOM GUITARS which had an amazing! purple to black burst finish . Fantastic guitar to play and look at
@@j-man9457 oh yes, the blondes and the butterscotch!
Sounds pretty good for $300. The playing is good too!
@@justsomeguy1074 these Teles are amazing 🤩
Thanks!
they probably used it for a tiktok video that didn't do any movement...
Awesome playing, man. That axe sounds great!
Oh well thank you! ☺️
It's more so the axe than it is me hahaha. This thing is amazing for the price point!🤯
Real review from a real guitarist! Nice playing man! Way to rock and twang that guitar!
Hahaha thanks man! Not sure I'm a real guitarist though.... I'm just self thought and I only play by ear. Can't read music and I don't know any theory hahaha! All fun though!
how do you get one of these returned guitars on amazon ?
When you find one look below the price listing for an option that says "Save with used like new" if that option is there you can click on it and buy a returned, open box guitar or item. You'll save money but be aware that Amazon's description of used like new isn't always accurate!
What's the Brand name of these guitars? Maybe post a link🤔
I name them at :56 seconds in the video...
M-Musi Classic, made by M-Musi,
And a WestCreek Revenge made by WestCreek.
These are not Amazon Guitars. They are only sold by Amazon. Amazon doesn't make guitars, neither does Reverb, Walmart, Guitar Center, Kijiji and E-bay etc... I will add the names in the description as per your suggestion. Thanks!
People return low to moderate price guitars for many reasons, and not necessarily because the guitars are defective. For example, I think it's indisputable that many guitar players are extremely fussy/picky about certain things peculiar to them. And if they pick up a guitar and it doesn't immediately appeal to them for whatever picayune reason, they're done with them. Amazon lets them get away with this. And what about Aunt Susie, who buys her nephew Johnny an Amazon guitar for his 21st birthday because she heard he plays guitar - so she buys him *a* guitar, not knowing Johnny is been in several bands over the years and already has good gear for specific reasons. Johnny's probably not going to hang onto that thing just to please his aunt. So back to Amazon it goes. And so it goes. On and on. Nothing to do with the guitars themselves. Just the logistics of Amazon facilitating the return of product for basically any reason. I'm not finding fault with Amazon - they can adopt any return policy they wish. It's just the nature of many guitar players.
Yup I addressed this at the end of part 2!
The difference between interested and dedicated. If you read about parachutes and watch people parachute, you are interested. If you jump from a plane with a parachute you had better be dedicated!
Hahaha! We'll Said man!
Yup I'd probably return my parachute if I bought one hahaha!
Maybe they’re from people doing unboxing videos on UA-cam. Once the video is done they return the guitars.
@@leading4Him Maybe, no way I'm sending this one back! It's awesome... 🤘
Action on the G may be a little too low. Kinda sounds like its buzzing. But then again I was born on a buzz
Hahaha! It was all good after part 2. Tear down and set up 😃
I wonder why I can't find any of the M MUSI Guitars on Amazon .
Ya me either. I’m in the market for a guitar. I’m literally shopping now. How do I get one of these???
They are currently out of stock! And possibly tweaking their models now that they have gotten lots of feedback....
@@kelroundell6304 right now they are out of stock on Amazon. I have seen them on E-bay and Reverb used.... I got this one a while back but haven't had time to do a vid due to a death in the family. I've been looking lately and yeah there's nothing on Amazon...
I found a lot of these cheaper guitars have a super thin neck and a wide radius I personally like a fatter neck. Other than that they seem to be good guitars with good specs
@@scottyoung3501 these are extremely close in rear neck profile to a modern Fender Telecaster. The compound 9.5 to 12 radius well, that's different for sure 😁
My Revenge is one of the best guitars I've ever had! The tuners suck, but I'm gonna put locking tuners on it. The pickups are good, but I'm gonna put some Seymour Duncans in it.
Yeah the Revenges I reviewed in the past were fantastic. Hope this one is good! 👍
Dang! You're an amazing guitarist!
Ahhh man thanks! I have lots to learn yet! Like scales and notes and stuff hahaha! 🤣
I returned an Ibanez acoustic to Amazon, the neck was so twisted, I can't believe they have any QC.
Yup there's a good reason. Twisted necks on acoustics are $$$$ to fix. But that's an Ibanez QC issue not Amazon. Amazon, much like Reverb, eBay, Guitar Center, Long & McQuade etc... don't make guitars. They only move product sent to them from the manufacturer or seller...
Amazon does not QC any of the products they sell. That guitar slipped through Ibanez's QC somehow and you ended up with it. The great thing about Amazon is you can return for a full refund!
Cheers!
Only think I think I'd send it back for is the appearance of the headstock's front. I think in the flesh it would begin to fall out of favour with me after a while. The applied white lacquered section looks a bit cheapo. A more 'classic' all wood look and it's a fine thing for me. Sounds great and nice country chops, sir.
Thanks! 😊
@@j-man9457 You're welcome 🙂
I couldn't get the action right with mine without buzz. Unless you have the action high enough it'll buzz. Didn't want to mess with the frets or take to a Luther. Great guitars other than that.
I have more than one of these and a few have needed a few frets fixed and sometimes a shim in the neck. These 2 things once dialed in allow for low action... I got annoyed with taking my guitars to a luthier as well so I just do it all myself now hahaha...
If those have the same ''rounded stainless steel frets'' and installed/leveled the same way as my Eart GW2 headless guitar, he probably returned it because the frets are wayyyyy too low profile. They level them with some sort of Plek machine, and they remove WAYYYY too much material. At least on mine, it's ridiculous and I regret not returning it. They look like they have been re-leveled 2-3 times already, straight from factory. The only reason why I don't use this guitar is because of that. Finger friction on the fretboard is a BIG issue with my guitar (especially for lead playing). Other than that, the guitar is PERFECT. Not talking about ''low action''... but ''low profile''. The action may be set SUPER low and it's totally fine, as long as the frets themselves are high enough to prevent finger friction.
HARLEY BENTON Pro Series is my personnal choice for an affordable guitar, if you can find one used in Canada (like I did), or if you're willing to pay the duties.. they are still worth it even after that.
Interesting! Thanks!
No the frets on these have plenty of meat. Like bending on glass. No friction at all...
@@j-man9457 Ah good to know that it may be just mine that has been overdone for some reason.. 🤷🏻♂️
Just to be clear, i was talking about "finger" friction on the fretboard, and not "string" friction or the fret. They are super glassy smooth on my Eart as well.. but they are flatten on top and way too low. Glad yours has plenty of meat! I should have returned mine.. 🤦🏻♂️
@@davidmultimedia2024 yeah I know what you meant... That sucks. Definitely sounds like they over leveled for sure... I had an EART NK-C1 tele a while back and the frets were not flat by any means, however I did need to do a fret level on it as there were quite a few high spots!
Doesn't mean the frets were over levelled, some fretwire is 1mm high or just under new.
@@MrSongwriter2 yeah but he mentioned they looked flat... Maybe not crowned? But that would play terribly if that were the case...🤔
Where are the surplus returns going?
No clue...
Back to Amazon??
When I see the option that says “save with used like new" below the listed price and it's a good deal, I usually pull the trigger haha.
I find that it's pretty common for people to play a cheaper guitar fast, like in this video. To me the cheaper guitars sound tinny, like a toy guitar.
You think I play fast? Wow thanks man! My cell phone mic may sound thin once up loaded to UA-cam, but these pups are well balanced!
I had to check my playback speed as soon as you started playing.
@@Mooseboy08 hahaha!
It’s not the instrument, it’s the player that’s important. - Miles Davis.
Good point, but a good instrument sure helps the player play!😀
Awesome on that guitar Bravo Sounds amazing 🎸🎸💥💥💥🎸🎸
Ahhh thanks man. Very kind of you to say... Great guitar and straight out of the box! 😁
So unfortunately only 8 days since you posted this video, these M Musi guitars are listed as “currently unavailable” on Amazon. And it says that they are not sure when or if they’ll become available again. You’re a great guitar player, I subscribed immediately after you started playing and I heard that you can really play well. I had just watched a bunch of other UA-cam demos of pedals by others where the playing was average so it was refreshing to find your channel. I do lots of country gigs so I appreciate the chicken pickin style you’re demonstrating in this video. What amp and pedals did you use in this demo?
Hey thank man... I'm just an ok player. Not knowledgable theory wise just self thought, but having lots of fun!
Yeah Musi is completely out of stock here on Canada and rumours are that they are moving to a new production facility... New stock should be out in a few weeks I hope! 😁
Here is a video I made very recently of a simple pedal board I put together. This is the board I'm using in this video!
ua-cam.com/video/5rsEVmLAC3c/v-deo.htmlsi=sAn0rm_gm8GvR0d5
Returned because of the Headstock, it’s U.G.L.Y., you ain’t got no alibi, it’s ugly, it’s ugly. The body forearm contour cut should be more of a smooth contour instead of the pronounced shape with the line showing. It sounds good and seems to have quality parts, I think it was returned because of the cosmetic appearance. WDIK, I own a James Tyler with the funky headstock that some people can’t stand but some pay used $3000 up to $10,000 new for some models.
Could be who knows! Nice score on your JT!
What’s the price for that guitar in Amozon?
@@MikiBlue they are out of stock now, but the were 485 CAD. I got this one for 300$
@@j-man9457 ok. Thanks
Probably because the majority of purchases are from people who've never played so they bought what was cheap and found out that guitar playing wasn't for them so they return it for a refund within the return time limit, without even understanding you're not going to play perfect in 30 days that it takes a lifetime of dedication and practice....
@@AbstractZombie-ed8fj yup true that! 35 years for me and I still suck hahaha!
@@j-man9457 We all progress at our own pace, just keep playing..
I see people returning or trading $10,000 guitars they probably had custom made. Some of these exotic wood guitars are beautiful to look at but lack the sound quality.
Yup good point!
Hey, you only play that Muse tele? I thought you bought two guitars.
I did buy 2. I did 4 videos. 2 for this one and 2 for the 2nd one which was a Revenge by WestCreek. I'll send you the links and you can watch them, or not 😊
Here is the 1st one:
ua-cam.com/video/BwNh5MF9-2U/v-deo.htmlsi=trMHGtU0fodrty55
And here is the 2nd one:
ua-cam.com/video/82R444IKVjc/v-deo.htmlsi=Nsr83sAcvNDqVtuj
@@j-man9457 Thanks!
Im curious the price. You make it sound great.
These are currently out of stock, but here in Canada they were 485 CAD on Amazon. I got it through the "buy used like new" option and got it for $300 to my door! 😀
Fantastic playing friend,!!!!!
Ahhh thanks man! Some days are better than others that's for sure hahaha still have lots to learn 😉
Thanks for stopping by!😊
YOUR COMMENTARY IS JUST TOO INTERESTING TO IGNORE! You have a great Canadian sensibility about your playing, your analysis, snd your thought process! - Hey we play Hockey b/c we love ❤️ Hockey! Likewise playing guitar! ' I get a kick out of the Rx you get from some of the American listeners!'Rock on, Dude! Your playing is awesome! NOW I've got to go see the Edmonton Oilers Stanley Cup game against Florida! Keep up the great guitar work! Cheers!"
Thanks man! Much appreciated, and I hope your team wins!!! 🙏
This is weird. To know the reason why these two guitars were returned, you must track down the two persons (or maybe it was the same person) and ask them. You can unpack the guitars and banter on for weeks. But still, maybe it was just the finish color that did not match their socks. We. Do. Not. Know. Maybe they simply changed their mind, for whatever reason. It does not have to be the guitar. Again, we. Do. Not. Know.
But I guess Amazon charges you less, this way. It's like a secondhand guitar, now. I wouldn't mind buying such a nice white Tele. That plug socket is easily fixed or replaced. Never heard about a double klick, thanks, learnt something today.
Exactly... I assumed that there would be an obvious problem or playability issue out of the box which would provide a possible reason for the return... However, with this guitar there was absolutely nothing wrong, so we do not know why someone returned it, but now we do know that it wasn't because the guitar wasn't good.... So the point is, when you see a used like new option on Amazon, it doesn't mean that item was returned because of a problem with it. Maybe there was just a problem with the buyer hahaha and now you can get a great deal!😉
@@j-man9457 Absolutely right. That white Tele is pretty okay. Sure you can upgrade certain gear. Great that it has no serious issues. Suppose it had some fret causing an intonation problem on that fret. Whoops. Such things happen, too.
I unboxed a new Musi Capricorn and returned it immediately. Neck was uncomfortable twisted.
Wow! That sucks! And that is a good reason to return a guitar. A twisted neck is a serious playability issue!
Not the case with this one... The return had to have been for a financial reason or a wife reason lol 😆
J-Man, we're probably about the same age. After decades of teaching guitar in music stores, thousands of gigs, guitar shows, etc, etc, I can tell you that people return *GREAT* guitars for seriously dumb reasons. They often keep crap guitars for seriously dumb reasons. You will *never* discern the reason these people returned killer guitars. I know that I've profited greatly from buying great guitars that foolish people returned, passing the savings on to me!
So what was the brand of that first guitar? I love cheap guitars. Like Jack Pearson and other pros, I've discovered the joys of cheap guitars that are *GREAT* I have several pro level playing instruments that were stupid cheap which others ditched.
Yup I talked about that at the end of part 2 of this series... This guitar is a M-Musi Virgo Classic T. I have 3 of them and they are all superb for their price point... Crazy that these can be spec-ed out how they are and still so inexpensive😃
Enjoyed the video a lot. No string tree was interesting, but the next one I saw had a string tree. $250... Wanna buy it now. 😂
Sorry, the one I looked at was identical to the white one you played, used like new (really) in the USA. And I think you're honest and deserve a bigger subscription number. I too, kept getting fixated on your playing. Awesome!
Good price! They don't come with string trees but I feel they should have one on the E and B strings😀
Great playing, I don't have room for any more guitars, but that Musi Tele looks and sounds fantastic. Great return review.
Thank you! 😊
For the price, Musi Teles are premium guitars. They have the upgrades that most people like to do to their guitars.
Exactly. 100%😀👍
How do you buy a returned guitar on Amazon? How much discount do you get?
Look for Used like new or open box guitar... It's just luck and now they are out of stock on Amazon.ca
I can hear the E and B choking on heavy bends near the nut, A fraction of relief would cure that.
Yup it needed a set up but, most of the bad bends is just my playing hahaha!