I 100% believe that they're keeping wrath behind the break incase of a last resort emergency glass just like into the light, ghally, ice breaker, and chatterwhite (even tho it sucks compared to the original) but by time they break that glass there's gonna be no one left
Yeah, well said. They're saving it for another emergency... but if they save it for too long, no one will be there to care when they pull it out. I guess it's a tenuous balance.
Starved Destiny development for "incubation", but it was all stillborn. A bit funny that they canceled the "Payback" which was a Destiny universe game in favor of Marathon. And it will be a lot funnier after we see how Marathon does.
The entirety of Rise of Iron was Bungie’s biggest mistake because it gave them a story topic that they regretted with how they seem to want to completely ignore and/or pretending it didn’t exist 😂
Being a previous daily 10yr player, wrath wouldn't bring me back. Reissued, reprised, recycled, re-anthing is what made me quit the game all together. Tired of paying for the same things again and again.
Same bro. I finally dipped out end of season before Final Shape and never looked back. Best decision made. D3 is the only thing that would bring me back which I don’t see that happening anytime soon.
I wonder if they could have brought WOTM back in Revenant and have the siva eliksni be corrupted by becoming siva scorn. I'm not much of a lore buff, so I don't know if scornification would work with siva.
I wish they would bring back wrath, the only d1 raid I never played. And, I mean, can they do a new content that's better than Wrath?? I'm not sure But u entitled to that opinion, can't blame ur pov
Well, thats what youre getting. They are also catering to die hards and high skill players and getting away from appealing to casuals. Should be good no?
I don’t think they are catering to die hards. They are giving options in frontiers. Solo ops is very appealing for the die hard/top tier players. Helping new players on board is high on the list also seeing as they are making alot of changes on that front as well. I like the direction that frontiers is pointing, we will just have to see how it works out.
Imagine if instead of getting all the “reprised raids” we got actual new ones. D2 would be a different game entirely if they had stayed away from bringing back old content and instead focused on the future.
Wraith was just pure chaos in the best way possible in d1, and the amount of ( hero moments) when 3/4 people were dead and the rest of team managed to clutch up. But bungie changed it to where everyone dies if someone doesn’t revived in d2…. Also the OST for wrath especially akis phase 2 was absolute peak!!
I miss Wrath of the machine i REALLY hope Bungie bring back Wrath at some point in the future so all the newer players can experience the best raid in Destiny history.
People forget that D1 still exists and still makes Bungie a small amount of money. I think that is another reason Bungie doesn't want to add Wrath to D2, along with the development time required to make the assets for it. Don't get me wrong I want wrath in D2 but I'd rather them make new raids. Just sucks we are stuck with only 1 raid a year right now when they could bring back values raids like scourge, spire, leviathan, crown and make it so we have 2 raids a year. But nah Pete Parsons goal is to kill the game. He wants that golden parachute from Sony. Also I refuse to give them any more money for cosmetics until Pete is gone.
Wrath would have brought back so many players. It’s a crazy decision to not bring it back. Their time and resources are being used more importantly on boring seasonal activities and awful episodic storytelling 💀 one raid and one dungeon a YEAR from now on is fucking crazy
Here's the thing why remake Marathon when it failed back in 1998 that's 20 million dollars or more to spend on destiny 2 wrath of the machine needs to return it's a absolutely a MUST!
I haven’t played that game in two months. It’s either you feel like you’re at a job or you have to put up with a bunch of people that haven’t have an ounce of respect taught to them in their pathetic life .
That article released at the worst time imo, days before the announcement of the reprised dreadnaught. Ep1 reprised Nessus, Ep2 took elements from House of Wolves, Forsaken and Beyond Light and as said already Ep 3 is the reprised dreadnaught so they haven't been focused on new content for a good while. A 4th episode could've easily utilized SIVA along with Neomuna and its nanotech. When Neomuna was colonized they would have used SIVA but it clearly evolved somehow. Have an echo of Clovis or Wilhelmina Bray land in the Plaguelands and re-awaken SIVA. Clovis was being influenced by the Witness before the creation of Exo's and before Wilhelmina created SIVA, if Wilhelmina is the echo then Clovis was the one who corrupted her. Have Nimbus pick up a signal similar but seemingly older than his on the Cosmodrome and when he arrives he is corrupted by the echo. Ultimately We find the Witness imbued SIVA with Darkness and when the SIVA that was on the Exodus ship that went to Neomuna made contact with the veil, it connected with light and became the new nanotech and cut itself off from SIVA. By the end of the episode we have a way to purify the plaguelands and gain control of SIVA to help humanity prosper and make our way into frontiers.
I think they should drop support for ps4 and Xbox one sense it’s been 5 years sense next gen came out and the game is in year 7 going to year 8. At some point they are gonna need to just drop support.
Wrath of the machine can’t come back due to outbreak perfected being given to us already, kings fall should’ve came back with heresy so they could’ve revamped the raid into a taken dread cross over but no they just gave it out with touch as well…
I genuinely hope kf gets some tweaks in heresy, like adding a separate version of the raid that changes up the encounters a bit on how they look and function.
@ like the leviathan mini raids, that would be interesting , but I’m honestly here to support and hate at the same time, this game has pushed me away, good thoughts tho honestly
@malvi616 or on the flip side, do something similar to the derelict leviathan, where everything was infested with egregore and you could go through new areas that were opened due to the decay.
I really did love this game for so long. But I havent had anything that excited me to play since the end of Final Shape.....I really wish there was something that kept me into the game because Ive put so much time into it.
I fall into 2 groups here. I want NEW and exciting content. Content that has a real reason to be replayed over and over. Unlike either forcing us to replay content by having to do every exotic mission on normal by the quest, then having to do it on expert to get all the “crafted” crap. Garbage idea. Or just having us play for the “time” on their spreadsheets, like the new “legend” title. Having to try and get 15 engrams to drop from enemies in skywatch took me 3-4 hours. Why can’t I spend that 3-4 hours in some new badass way and get a chance at some sweet ass loot? Nope. They just want the play time number to go up on paper. Also garbage. Now I also do love the reprised raids! Crota was super fun and exciting and I would even love leviathan. I love this game.
I think they had ampel opportunity to bring it back during anything fallen or clovis/warminf related, that just never did, and the way the act it seems they don't want to.
I haven't been playing this game as much as I used to after The Final Shape. While as much as I would enjoy playing a reprised Wrath of the Machine raid, even if it did come around, I don't think I would have the spirit to get back on the game just for that. Over 10 years I did love this franchise of the Light and Dark saga, and seeing as it had come to a conclusion in a comfortable way, I just can't keep playing the same way I used to. Mainly because I feel like I don't wanna spend another 10 years before we get the Winnower in a reveal cutscene, but at the very least in a manner of speaking about long-term saga conclusions, this definitely felt better to leave off at than Ray from Star Wars.
Wrath coming back would've given me a reason to come back for a bit, all the old raid reprisals have been fun to play with friends. Coming back for more story quests, a trials rework and a dungeon doesn't excite me that much anymore. Until the game gives me a reason to come back I'm gonna keep playing newer/other games. Bungie wants to sit on their high horse rn it seems and keep ignoring player feedback and requests and its annoying at this point.
See… I always kinda figured they likely weren’t going to do wrath, because that would mean having to not use normal Fallen, and bring back Siva Fallen. Make an excuse to why Outbreak is not included or have to make a whole new Exotic. Say what you will, but Wrath of the Machine would not play the same without the Siva enemies unlike every other raid that adopted newer enemies easier.
I have 9k hours in the game but lost interest. I was a hardcore raider. Wrath was my favorite. I have lots of PVP friends but can't tolerate the awful sandbox enough to join them either.
As someone who hasn’t done many destiny raids or dungeons and someone who has not played d1 I still think this would be cool and someone who never got to play this raid in d1 to experience in d2 would be pretty cool
Biggest issues with this game 1: upper management 2: too much D1 nostalgia and not letting D2 be its own game 3: end game PvP being an afterthought and now focusing on it years later. It’s only my option. Could care less if you disagree. But definitely leave the D1 raids out. I’m passed that and they have nothing to do with the current part of the story.
I have not played Destiny since a few weeks after final shape. They have given up and the content is not engaging anymore. Not bringing back wrath is such a bad decision, they would have got so many of us to come back for it. This sucks and it’s sad to see Destiny slowly die after 10 years +
How dare they not bring wrath of the machine back - my reaction - may the horn sound in the hornberg one last time !!! Now For Wrath Now for Ruin and the Red Dawn !!!!!
5:18 this is one of the reason i lost interest in this game, i grind for many days just for them to give it away to everyone so im like ok i'm not grinding im just gonna wait for them to hand it out, but this makes the game pointless because its all about grinding and getting the best loot
Episode Echoes and Revenant didnt hit the mark exactly for us players, you expect them to bring the raid? Bungie had a lot of pressure and they are on a bad position although it get why many people are mad at the raid not coming
i feel like the mentality of "we can't always have what we want" when talking about a live service game is rather pathetic like lil bro the whole point of a live service game is for the game to be shaped to how the players want to play so they play longer and spend more money
in the year 2025....I'd rather purchase and wear a 'My little Pony' themed Titan armor set than ever wear anything to do with that dead slop franchise Star Wars. Does Bungie realize that the days of SW being a juggernaut IP are over and most people hate Disney Star Wars now.
Game is going in a totally new direction. The old Bungie is gone, and the old content and old play style is gone. Its now focused on heavy mechanic based, communication driven - player retention content. Dungeons are now raids anyway. The game has actually stopped catering to casuals - which is what everyone wanted. yet, no one is happy.
not making a pantheon lvl event of vaulted content is a big L - could they bring back a wrath encounter with it ? YEP - but bungie is done with doing cool stuff sadly
Don't get me wrong, I love WoTM, best D1 raid, but people need to get over this delusional obsession that it will save the game. I recently went back to D1 last year and replayed all of it's raids with my guild, and I can say in confidence that even with how good WoTM was, it doesn't compare to any raid in D2. Yes, a reprise would make it better, but it's not worth Bungies time. The amount of resources it would take to bring back WoTM would not only require redesigning the entire map, but also redesigning entirely new enemy models, creating an entirely new exotic, and also doing the same work it would take to reprise any of the other d1 raids on top of that. In that time, Bungie could honestly reprise any of the older D2 raids (SoTP / CoS), possibly even 2 with much less effort allowing them to focus on other shit. WoTM is great, but it wasn't a mistake by Bungie to not bring it back.
This is why the game is failing... Because of people like you who continually clamor for old content that barely anyone played to be brought back. Riddle me this... If SRL was "too much work for too little engagement", then why is spending so much time on Raids a priority when 95% of the community doesn't ever engage with a Raid and 98% don't bother with them more than once or twice. Raids and Dungeons aren't fun to replay... They are weekly chores that some people think they have to like because they think it somehow makes them cool in their little video game world. The bread and butter of Destiny are the playlists and having new areas to explore. That's what the people who make Bungie money engage with.
I hate old and reused content. Would definitely want all new. Just stating here that they should have brought the raid back like the others. I'm on your side lol
Bungie just leaving the 1 raid behind is stupid like why?? It doesn't affect the story cause Vault of Glass, Kings Fall and Crota End didn't or it cause Siva to OP? its just a massive lose cause there lots of players that love Wrath and Siva stuff but aw we get is bloody microtransactions ornaments and its like a receiving a middle finger from Bungie saying get it up ye. if and its a long shot but if there working on it secretly they should drop a trailer for it on a Thursday and its out the next day to catch everyone of guard and by surprise just say nothing just surprise everyone
I need less raids not more. The game env and tools are not there for raids. You need discord, apps, clan, 6 hours, etc. Raids are not where gaming is at anymore. Dungeons and exotic missions are much better in the current environment. Raids also don't bring new players.
@Bungie is full of great artists which make a great LOOKING game, not necessarily a great playing game (any more). Who wants to play a game where adds teleport out of the blue, you spend all this time on becoming “legendary” and get 2-3 shot with little to no recourse?
Logging in on Feb 4th? Nah, I'm gonna wait untill all the bugs are fixed and they remove "no health regen" on the activity. Dreadnaught should have been a patrol zone, Shield Brothers strike should have come back. They certainly didn't overdelivered with the new Echoe...
If you guys want to play Wrath, just turn on yourl old console and play D1. I'm sick and tired to pay and play recycle content. Jesus. We want new stuff.
@ the game’s no longer fun it seems like a money dump and a grind every time I hop on, I’m glad if you’re still enjoying it but I’m jumping off the shipwreck
What? No it is anything BUT one the "biggest mistakes". In fact it highlights just how far out of sync Bungie (and streamers *cough*) are to their customers: How many players raid at all, let alone enjoy it? 5% ? 8% ? Ascendant Nomad covered this well before quitting altogether. And yet how many resources does a Raid take, even a reprised one (no they don't just port over at a click)? Massive. Massively disproportionate to the payoff and at collosal opportunity cost for the ~95%. "Oh but x raid saved the game back in the day" No it didn't, NOVELTY AND INNOVATION did. Just like GAMBIT first did. Biggest mistake? Not a bit. It may even be a sign of Sony making Bungie fit the game to their actual general customers.
@@GsxrclydeNo, it's a few percent. And no, Pantheon wasn't even a raid but a collection of handpicked encounters. Again it was NOVELTY AND INNOVATION that very temporarily boosted player numbers. Raids aren't it. Raids have NEVER been it.
@@Gsxrclyde I guess so - we will see. As far as how little it will be down to raids - see the exact very low percentages of actual raiders, as cited see Ascendant Nomad. Those are facts, not up for "debate". This was precisely why everyone fought the Witness in the Campaign and not just the raid, that otherwise comparatively few would ever see.
“Give bungie more money” wow great advice when they’ve given us no worthwhile content for years lmao game is so dead this dude doesn’t even play it anymore and yet he’s telling people to support it 😂
personally King's fall was better, so was Crota's(i wish they kept them combined, or added one more encounter in it) wrath was cool but it didn't impress me sept for the 1 of the encounter designs was pretty innovative and annoying.
Im actually dumb founded people are saying that nostalgia wont save the game but now people are mad that they are adding new stuff instead of old content???
I hate to say it look what bungie brought back ghorn look what bungie brought back ice breaker there lying to all of us that wrath of the machine will make its come back 😊
It’s actually asinine. It would build up so much goodwill with the community too. Some people say it’s too high of a cost for them to bring over a new faction and the siva fallen are so different, which is pure delusion and negativity. Honestly no one cares about the super minor differences in the siva fallen, as long as they bring over the models it would be fine. I just hate how mysterious they have been regarding this raid, they know people want it. They know it’s a fan favorite, them issuing these small statements and ignoring it is so frustrating. The fact it will never come to d2 is such a bad decision I would easily pay $10 for it
I 100% believe that they're keeping wrath behind the break incase of a last resort emergency glass just like into the light, ghally, ice breaker, and chatterwhite (even tho it sucks compared to the original) but by time they break that glass there's gonna be no one left
Yeah, well said.
They're saving it for another emergency... but if they save it for too long, no one will be there to care when they pull it out.
I guess it's a tenuous balance.
"i don't like them bringing back old stuff"
"CMON PLEASE JUST GIVE IT TO US ALREADY"
Bro this is the last raid from d1, it's dumb to have the others in d2
Nuance dude, do I want another hung jury? No. Do I want a d1 raid with unique enemies not in d2 with a siva aesthetic? Absolutely
I'm done with Bungie.
I was done with Bungie the moment they removed legacy content from the game like wtf really?🤦♂️
But yet you’re still consuming content about bungie. lol right loser
Byyyyeeee
Then why comment on related material?
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They spent 100’s of millions on failed projects 😂
Starved Destiny development for "incubation", but it was all stillborn.
A bit funny that they canceled the "Payback" which was a Destiny universe game in favor of Marathon. And it will be a lot funnier after we see how Marathon does.
The entirety of Rise of Iron was Bungie’s biggest mistake because it gave them a story topic that they regretted with how they seem to want to completely ignore and/or pretending it didn’t exist 😂
Saladin fucked off to hanging with Caityl. You dont like that lore? LOL
@@kingcurmudgeon8685 Saladin and Caiatl soaking together in a jacuzzi filled with all the SIVA they're keeping from us!
Being a previous daily 10yr player, wrath wouldn't bring me back. Reissued, reprised, recycled, re-anthing is what made me quit the game all together. Tired of paying for the same things again and again.
Same bro. I finally dipped out end of season before Final Shape and never looked back. Best decision made. D3 is the only thing that would bring me back which I don’t see that happening anytime soon.
After years of perfecting their technique, Bungie are now experts at throwing.
£10 for the memories and fun we'll have in this raid, sign me up everytime!
I wonder if they could have brought WOTM back in Revenant and have the siva eliksni be corrupted by becoming siva scorn.
I'm not much of a lore buff, so I don't know if scornification would work with siva.
We don’t need old shit back. We need new stuff. I would much rather have new stuff than wrath.
I wish they would bring back wrath, the only d1 raid I never played. And, I mean, can they do a new content that's better than Wrath?? I'm not sure
But u entitled to that opinion, can't blame ur pov
But bungie needs to ask themselves: does wrath will improve the player retention or be any good in any other way to the company?
Well, thats what youre getting. They are also catering to die hards and high skill players and getting away from appealing to casuals. Should be good no?
I don’t think they are catering to die hards. They are giving options in frontiers. Solo ops is very appealing for the die hard/top tier players. Helping new players on board is high on the list also seeing as they are making alot of changes on that front as well. I like the direction that frontiers is pointing, we will just have to see how it works out.
Imagine if instead of getting all the “reprised raids” we got actual new ones. D2 would be a different game entirely if they had stayed away from bringing back old content and instead focused on the future.
Wraith was just pure chaos in the best way possible in d1, and the amount of ( hero moments) when 3/4 people were dead and the rest of team managed to clutch up. But bungie changed it to where everyone dies if someone doesn’t revived in d2….
Also the OST for wrath especially akis phase 2 was absolute peak!!
I miss Wrath of the machine i REALLY hope Bungie bring back Wrath at some point in the future so all the newer players can experience the best raid in Destiny history.
People forget that D1 still exists and still makes Bungie a small amount of money. I think that is another reason Bungie doesn't want to add Wrath to D2, along with the development time required to make the assets for it. Don't get me wrong I want wrath in D2 but I'd rather them make new raids. Just sucks we are stuck with only 1 raid a year right now when they could bring back values raids like scourge, spire, leviathan, crown and make it so we have 2 raids a year. But nah Pete Parsons goal is to kill the game. He wants that golden parachute from Sony.
Also I refuse to give them any more money for cosmetics until Pete is gone.
That's not the pont sure d1 but we need wrath cause it's a miss opportunity to see how the rework will go
Wrath would have brought back so many players. It’s a crazy decision to not bring it back. Their time and resources are being used more importantly on boring seasonal activities and awful episodic storytelling 💀 one raid and one dungeon a YEAR from now on is fucking crazy
🤔 I doubt that because there is a big portion of the community that dont raid 🤷 not everyone luvs raids 🤷
I’ll gladly pay 20 bucks for wrath to comeback
We unfortunately cannot bring back the glory days. What’s done is done
Here's the thing why remake Marathon when it failed back in 1998 that's 20 million dollars or more to spend on destiny 2 wrath of the machine needs to return it's a absolutely a MUST!
I haven’t played that game in two months. It’s either you feel like you’re at a job or you have to put up with a bunch of people that haven’t have an ounce of respect taught to them in their pathetic life .
That article released at the worst time imo, days before the announcement of the reprised dreadnaught.
Ep1 reprised Nessus, Ep2 took elements from House of Wolves, Forsaken and Beyond Light and as said already Ep 3 is the reprised dreadnaught so they haven't been focused on new content for a good while.
A 4th episode could've easily utilized SIVA along with Neomuna and its nanotech. When Neomuna was colonized they would have used SIVA but it clearly evolved somehow. Have an echo of Clovis or Wilhelmina Bray land in the Plaguelands and re-awaken SIVA. Clovis was being influenced by the Witness before the creation of Exo's and before Wilhelmina created SIVA, if Wilhelmina is the echo then Clovis was the one who corrupted her. Have Nimbus pick up a signal similar but seemingly older than his on the Cosmodrome and when he arrives he is corrupted by the echo.
Ultimately We find the Witness imbued SIVA with Darkness and when the SIVA that was on the Exodus ship that went to Neomuna made contact with the veil, it connected with light and became the new nanotech and cut itself off from SIVA. By the end of the episode we have a way to purify the plaguelands and gain control of SIVA to help humanity prosper and make our way into frontiers.
All this because Wrath didn't come out .. 🤣 😆 Id rather have Leviathan than that Raid... 😱 The FOMO is strong! Funny video Bro. GG's
The outbreak puzzle was also one of the best exotic secret puzzles
I think they should drop support for ps4 and Xbox one sense it’s been 5 years sense next gen came out and the game is in year 7 going to year 8. At some point they are gonna need to just drop support.
Its the last D1 raid to be brought over and feel D2 will be done before that even happens.
Wrath of the machine can’t come back due to outbreak perfected being given to us already, kings fall should’ve came back with heresy so they could’ve revamped the raid into a taken dread cross over but no they just gave it out with touch as well…
I genuinely hope kf gets some tweaks in heresy, like adding a separate version of the raid that changes up the encounters a bit on how they look and function.
@ like the leviathan mini raids, that would be interesting , but I’m honestly here to support and hate at the same time, this game has pushed me away, good thoughts tho honestly
@malvi616 or on the flip side, do something similar to the derelict leviathan, where everything was infested with egregore and you could go through new areas that were opened due to the decay.
I really did love this game for so long. But I havent had anything that excited me to play since the end of Final Shape.....I really wish there was something that kept me into the game because Ive put so much time into it.
I fall into 2 groups here. I want NEW and exciting content. Content that has a real reason to be replayed over and over. Unlike either forcing us to replay content by having to do every exotic mission on normal by the quest, then having to do it on expert to get all the “crafted” crap. Garbage idea. Or just having us play for the “time” on their spreadsheets, like the new “legend” title. Having to try and get 15 engrams to drop from enemies in skywatch took me 3-4 hours. Why can’t I spend that 3-4 hours in some new badass way and get a chance at some sweet ass loot? Nope. They just want the play time number to go up on paper. Also garbage.
Now I also do love the reprised raids! Crota was super fun and exciting and I would even love leviathan. I love this game.
I think they had ampel opportunity to bring it back during anything fallen or clovis/warminf related, that just never did, and the way the act it seems they don't want to.
I haven't been playing this game as much as I used to after The Final Shape. While as much as I would enjoy playing a reprised Wrath of the Machine raid, even if it did come around, I don't think I would have the spirit to get back on the game just for that. Over 10 years I did love this franchise of the Light and Dark saga, and seeing as it had come to a conclusion in a comfortable way, I just can't keep playing the same way I used to. Mainly because I feel like I don't wanna spend another 10 years before we get the Winnower in a reveal cutscene, but at the very least in a manner of speaking about long-term saga conclusions, this definitely felt better to leave off at than Ray from Star Wars.
Pieces of Wrath/Siva etc will return as a dungeon on new Riis when Mithrax finally becomes a light bearer.
Even if wrath returns I won’t be able to do it my clan is dead af
Wrath coming back would've given me a reason to come back for a bit, all the old raid reprisals have been fun to play with friends. Coming back for more story quests, a trials rework and a dungeon doesn't excite me that much anymore. Until the game gives me a reason to come back I'm gonna keep playing newer/other games. Bungie wants to sit on their high horse rn it seems and keep ignoring player feedback and requests and its annoying at this point.
See… I always kinda figured they likely weren’t going to do wrath, because that would mean having to not use normal Fallen, and bring back Siva Fallen. Make an excuse to why Outbreak is not included or have to make a whole new Exotic. Say what you will, but Wrath of the Machine would not play the same without the Siva enemies unlike every other raid that adopted newer enemies easier.
I have 9k hours in the game but lost interest. I was a hardcore raider. Wrath was my favorite. I have lots of PVP friends but can't tolerate the awful sandbox enough to join them either.
What should be unvaulted is all the content they took from all paying customers! In some countries they will cut your hand or hands off for stealing!.
As someone who hasn’t done many destiny raids or dungeons and someone who has not played d1 I still think this would be cool and someone who never got to play this raid in d1 to experience in d2 would be pretty cool
Go back and play d1, it’s very active and cheap to get into rn
Biggest issues with this game
1: upper management
2: too much D1 nostalgia and not letting D2 be its own game
3: end game PvP being an afterthought and now focusing on it years later.
It’s only my option. Could care less if you disagree. But definitely leave the D1 raids out. I’m passed that and they have nothing to do with the current part of the story.
There are so many blunders with Destiny 2. I have lost count at this point.
Great vid. Def miss those times. And yes, it was so much harder
Going to be honest I never fully switched to D2 until Forsaken because WRATH was just too good to leave behind
I have not played Destiny since a few weeks after final shape. They have given up and the content is not engaging anymore. Not bringing back wrath is such a bad decision, they would have got so many of us to come back for it. This sucks and it’s sad to see Destiny slowly die after 10 years +
I would come back if they brought this raid back!
How dare they not bring wrath of the machine back - my reaction - may the horn sound in the hornberg one last time !!! Now For Wrath Now for Ruin and the Red Dawn !!!!!
Let's face it and be real, if siva came back everyone would complain
Not bothered about WOTM returning.i just want the loot. Bring the loot to Destiny 2. That ship and armour was so sezt
Real ones remember the zamboni fight true enemy was the frame drop crashes
5:18 this is one of the reason i lost interest in this game, i grind for many days just for them to give it away to everyone
so im like ok i'm not grinding im just gonna wait for them to hand it out, but this makes the game pointless because its all about grinding and getting the best loot
Never played the Warth of the Machine, so unfortunately, I missed out on a chunk of content.
Like they said they will never bring the ice braker back.
110% WoTM would be an instant and free W. My fav D1 raid by far.
Wrath ain't gonna save the game. A lot of people wouldn't care to come back if it did. Too little too late
I hope Bungie sees this vid
Episode Echoes and Revenant didnt hit the mark exactly for us players, you expect them to bring the raid? Bungie had a lot of pressure and they are on a bad position although it get why many people are mad at the raid not coming
Even if they bring the raid back, we'll play it for a week or 2 and then the game would just get stale. again.
i feel like the mentality of "we can't always have what we want" when talking about a live service game is rather pathetic
like lil bro
the whole point of a live service game is for the game to be shaped to how the players want to play so they play longer and spend more money
in the year 2025....I'd rather purchase and wear a 'My little Pony' themed Titan armor set than ever wear anything to do with that dead slop franchise Star Wars. Does Bungie realize that the days of SW being a juggernaut IP are over and most people hate Disney Star Wars now.
Game is going in a totally new direction. The old Bungie is gone, and the old content and old play style is gone. Its now focused on heavy mechanic based, communication driven - player retention content. Dungeons are now raids anyway. The game has actually stopped catering to casuals - which is what everyone wanted. yet, no one is happy.
not making a pantheon lvl event of vaulted content is a big L - could they bring back a wrath encounter with it ? YEP - but bungie is done with doing cool stuff sadly
Don't get me wrong, I love WoTM, best D1 raid, but people need to get over this delusional obsession that it will save the game. I recently went back to D1 last year and replayed all of it's raids with my guild, and I can say in confidence that even with how good WoTM was, it doesn't compare to any raid in D2. Yes, a reprise would make it better, but it's not worth Bungies time.
The amount of resources it would take to bring back WoTM would not only require redesigning the entire map, but also redesigning entirely new enemy models, creating an entirely new exotic, and also doing the same work it would take to reprise any of the other d1 raids on top of that. In that time, Bungie could honestly reprise any of the older D2 raids (SoTP / CoS), possibly even 2 with much less effort allowing them to focus on other shit.
WoTM is great, but it wasn't a mistake by Bungie to not bring it back.
L take no one wants SOTP OR CROWN I would consider those dungeons
@ Didn’t know dungeons were designed for 6 players, damn really got me there.
I feel completely the same.
They are going to wait too long, and when they do finally release it, everyone that cares will have moved on and wont be returning
They better make new content for on-bordering players then. The game needs new players, or it will just die.
"new stuff" i better not see 1 reprised item this year
This is why the game is failing... Because of people like you who continually clamor for old content that barely anyone played to be brought back.
Riddle me this... If SRL was "too much work for too little engagement", then why is spending so much time on Raids a priority when 95% of the community doesn't ever engage with a Raid and 98% don't bother with them more than once or twice.
Raids and Dungeons aren't fun to replay... They are weekly chores that some people think they have to like because they think it somehow makes them cool in their little video game world.
The bread and butter of Destiny are the playlists and having new areas to explore. That's what the people who make Bungie money engage with.
I hate old and reused content. Would definitely want all new. Just stating here that they should have brought the raid back like the others. I'm on your side lol
It will take GTA 6 to come out and Destiny 2 to be on it's last breath before Bungie remaster WotM SMH
Warframe is free in today's age.
Damn i miss Siva... :(
Bungie just leaving the 1 raid behind is stupid like why?? It doesn't affect the story cause Vault of Glass, Kings Fall and Crota End didn't or it cause Siva to OP? its just a massive lose cause there lots of players that love Wrath and Siva stuff but aw we get is bloody microtransactions ornaments and its like a receiving a middle finger from Bungie saying get it up ye. if and its a long shot but if there working on it secretly they should drop a trailer for it on a Thursday and its out the next day to catch everyone of guard and by surprise just say nothing just surprise everyone
This raid was 1000% garbage. So happy this shit ain’t coming back lol
You know what ill do on the 6th of feb? playing monster hunter wilds beta, AGAIN
I need less raids not more. The game env and tools are not there for raids. You need discord, apps, clan, 6 hours, etc. Raids are not where gaming is at anymore. Dungeons and exotic missions are much better in the current environment. Raids also don't bring new players.
Raids are not supposed to bring new players
@retiredboi3175 but that's what the game needs
I tell you two reasons why bungie screwed up one they’ve sunset the game and two they’ve never released a new game but instead stuck with Destiny two
I still want to play forsaken
@Bungie is full of great artists which make a great LOOKING game, not necessarily a great playing game (any more). Who wants to play a game where adds teleport out of the blue, you spend all this time on becoming “legendary” and get 2-3 shot with little to no recourse?
Logging in on Feb 4th? Nah, I'm gonna wait untill all the bugs are fixed and they remove "no health regen" on the activity. Dreadnaught should have been a patrol zone, Shield Brothers strike should have come back. They certainly didn't overdelivered with the new Echoe...
Reduce
Reuse
Recycle
-Destiny 2
Bungie throwing? Stop it Clyder! 🤣
Some times high some low, gamers won't wait forever, generic episodes ain't it
If you guys want to play Wrath, just turn on yourl old console and play D1. I'm sick and tired to pay and play recycle content. Jesus. We want new stuff.
WOTM is just copium stuck in nostaglia.
Let’s make everything extremely hard and not achievable to the average working gamer😂🤙🏼🤙🏼😎
Lmao this makes no sense.
@ lmao the fact Bungie makes meta loadouts and certain builds the only way to get through most content that people don’t got free time to dump into
@ the game’s no longer fun it seems like a money dump and a grind every time I hop on, I’m glad if you’re still enjoying it but I’m jumping off the shipwreck
What? No it is anything BUT one the "biggest mistakes". In fact it highlights just how far out of sync Bungie (and streamers *cough*) are to their customers:
How many players raid at all, let alone enjoy it? 5% ? 8% ? Ascendant Nomad covered this well before quitting altogether. And yet how many resources does a Raid take, even a reprised one (no they don't just port over at a click)? Massive. Massively disproportionate to the payoff and at collosal opportunity cost for the ~95%.
"Oh but x raid saved the game back in the day" No it didn't, NOVELTY AND INNOVATION did. Just like GAMBIT first did.
Biggest mistake? Not a bit. It may even be a sign of Sony making Bungie fit the game to their actual general customers.
Lmao plenty of players raid. Pantheon literally saved the game. What are you talking about?
@@GsxrclydeNo, it's a few percent. And no, Pantheon wasn't even a raid but a collection of handpicked encounters. Again it was NOVELTY AND INNOVATION that very temporarily boosted player numbers. Raids aren't it. Raids have NEVER been it.
@yamabushido6238 lmao not going to argue. I guess we shall see where the content takes the game.
@@Gsxrclyde I guess so - we will see. As far as how little it will be down to raids - see the exact very low percentages of actual raiders, as cited see Ascendant Nomad. Those are facts, not up for "debate". This was precisely why everyone fought the Witness in the Campaign and not just the raid, that otherwise comparatively few would ever see.
I miss those days in d1. I would love to see this raid in d2 for sure! Rdy for that new content for sure.
D1 was way harder than d2
I do miss self rez lol
Good video!!!
I’d rather then focus on new content any day
No reason why they cant do both
@ for sure, but if I had to choose
“Give bungie more money” wow great advice when they’ve given us no worthwhile content for years lmao game is so dead this dude doesn’t even play it anymore and yet he’s telling people to support it 😂
Lmao I play the game every week still. Check your facts. Just stating they missed an opportunity bud.
personally King's fall was better, so was Crota's(i wish they kept them combined, or added one more encounter in it) wrath was cool but it didn't impress me sept for the 1 of the encounter designs was pretty innovative and annoying.
Kings fall is the least fun d1 raid and wrath is the best IMO
I agree kings fall was better than wrath
Im actually dumb founded people are saying that nostalgia wont save the game but now people are mad that they are adding new stuff instead of old content???
I Loved WOTM
I don't want old shit. Give me new content.
I agree. But kinda weird to leave wrath out
I hate to say it look what bungie brought back ghorn look what bungie brought back ice breaker there lying to all of us that wrath of the machine will make its come back 😊
Not anytime soon means thay will bring back wrath of the machine back
It’s actually asinine. It would build up so much goodwill with the community too. Some people say it’s too high of a cost for them to bring over a new faction and the siva fallen are so different, which is pure delusion and negativity.
Honestly no one cares about the super minor differences in the siva fallen, as long as they bring over the models it would be fine.
I just hate how mysterious they have been regarding this raid, they know people want it. They know it’s a fan favorite, them issuing these small statements and ignoring it is so frustrating. The fact it will never come to d2 is such a bad decision I would easily pay $10 for it