4 seconds in and I can tell you now, no. D2 is effectively dead. The only thing that could revive destiny would be about 3 years of effort to revamp everything and a gutting of the C-suite
I think a game like destiny, while it can be dragged on a bit, i think 7 years is a bit too much. What more can you provide to excite your players? ( of course they can still release smth good but speaking from experience theyre doing the bare minimum). So a new game fixing the wrongs of its predecessor would work better to reignite the flame, while also avoiding putting too much effort in eververse
For me the problem is vaulting, the past stories worked they could make a midquell for destiny, I would pay any reasonable amount of money to get the red war through forsaken back
Vaulting made a lot of people leave, but personally, I paid once. I wouldn't even think about paying again for the Red War or Forsaken vaulted content, but I'm sure there are many like you out there who would, which is understandable
I think the real issue is that IF bungie can fix D2, which is exponentially looking to be impossible, how many people are going to come back? Bungie has shown that they cannot be trusted at all, and the main story is concluded. So why continue to play a game, with a finished story, and an untrustworthy company at the helm?
Weapon Crafting was my only incentive to play. My RNG this episode/season has been atrocious. I haven’t received a single revenant weapon that had a decent roll. NOT ONE.
I didn't even bother testing my RNG for a good roll Reverent weapon. Plus I'm kinda sick of having to get multiple of the same gun, just for a few good rolls when I could just change the perks myself.i don't have enough vault space
I feel you there my vaults maxed out I helped someone last night for a quick garden final boss run checked my vault completely full to the brim. I then hopped over to dead rising 2 and demolished some zombies.
And this is what the bungee shells never understand yes Bungie makes changes but rarely are the changes what the players want. No one told them to get rid of seasonal craftable weapons. And for them not to bring back shiny weapons was another huge misstep. If they don't get it together in episode 3 Apollo is cooked
I think the most important thing people need to come to terms with is that the folks who made the good parts of D2 are no longer part of the dev team. Not only that , while I agree with most of the points about crafting, etc., i also think they need to focus on hiring decent writers. What really stopped me from playing wasn’t just the end of crafting (though that did help me quit); it was how bad the writing quality of the episodic content has been.
lol you can feel the employee firings with how many issues and bugs are in the game now. there's nobody to QC anymore and make sure things are working as intended. the game just doesn't feel the same. i could sit for hours in some random place and chase something forever but now i just can't be bothered to sit for more than 5 minutes and play. it's so sad because i loved this game so much and to see it flame out the way it is is a little sad
@ i assume a lot of it had to do with Final Shape being a good end point for a lot of players, the game is in that “What now?” state after the defeat of the Witness and now they need to add some new and bigger bad guy who is bigger than the Witness in order to try and salvage what little care and attention the game gets now
You are correct without a doubt wow dose the same thing if it can run for what 20 years, destiny can but I think it's time to put a real market into destiny they'd need to make a whole new game for that though D2 couldn't handle a real in game market place
I think that's the best idea I've heard so far now a shiny weapon would be something I grind for or even better make it have some weird VFX coming off the gun oooohh yeah
Tinctures work now…but I noticed the Exotic Class item attainment isn’t working right 😂. Guess we’ll have to wait until the devs get back from Christmas/holiday break.
You hit the nail on the head. I uninstalled D2 recently, and I think one of the big reasons was the lack of craftable weapons this season. Granted, if at least D2 had other things to keep my attention like an amazing story, or actually interesting gameplay that isn't a rehash of old shit, maybe it would have been enough. As is, D2 has almost no appeal to me aside from some nostalgia. I think I just need to let it go. It's a dead game walking.
if crafting is a perfect system(it is, no arguement) then enhancing is like the beta version of crafting. armor crafting was the next step and all they had to do for that was make stat points into a singular pool then allow you to dispense them as you choose. how come warframe survives and all of its weapons are craftable? red border hunt meant time was respected.
You're just lazy. Games always been grindy crafting made you forget that. Most hardcore players enjoy the grind and these players are the ones bungie should focus on as they actually play the game
@@Jaffamuncher21 still farming for my godroll pve nameless midnight but you right its totally not then core gameplay being easy af, the only 3 months to try and get everything new, and the locking of the seasonal storys upgrades behind a time gate as to pace players over consumption of content to prevent "theres nothing to do now" again warframes not suffering this, stop making excuses.
When crafting was introduced I thought to myself this is taking out a core a loop of the game, they need to fill this in with something else. 2.5 years later they never did. I had nostalgia about chasing random rolls and was pro rng drops. I was happy with this introduction of rng at the start of the seson. Now, midway through the season, I realized I was mistaken and my intuition was right when they first introduced crafting. That they need introduce another loop alongside crafting. With that in mind Ive completely changed my opinion and we need crafting back, with a focus on introducing new loops into the game to keep people playing.
In my opinion this is how the game could have been fixed with MINIMAL effort(this is to not guarantee the death, still needs Forsaken level DLCs every year to be relevant: Every season should have brought at least 1 new archetype to the game, like a burst fusion rifle archetype, a 1200 rpm smg archetype, Maybe a crossbow as special ammo, LMG as a primary(highlight on the Light part not MG), Daggers as special ammo melee weapon, Autocannon as a new heavy, 2 round burst Pulse rifles. And probably many more ideas to find. A "unique" Rarity for Armor which is "semi exotic" that either has small unique perks or is a "Set bonus" so if you equip a full set you get some boosts, lets say 4 of the same Set so you can still have an exotic the boosts can be similar to exotic perks where they either just give stat boosts or upgrade subclass abilities or whatever, point is you can have maybe 30 different sets just for weapon types and subclass trees making Build crafting so much more fun then have even more sets for more niche things like combos and buffs. Just adding a new archetype every season would make the loot pool and grind so much more interesting, it doesn't always have to be the best option, sometimes it is enough to be the most fun option. Also what ruined destiny was the removal of past DLC and the idea of not making "too good of an expansion like Forsaken" because it would make the worse ones look even worse. That along with the greed from seasons that never had any real new content just reskinned "do 5 patrols", "do 3 public events" type garbage. Dungeons were good, but should definently also been part of the paid season. Also seasons should have never gone and instead you should be able to replay them in a non matchmaking mode (to not draw players away from other things) and all previous battle passes should have been purchasable. Now the game is ruined and its too late, haven't played since witch king and never will play again because they don't deserve my time or money. I always wanted to return, but when I saw they are not making the annual expansions/ the expansions + the seasons are more expensive. All this content issue would have been fixed by bringing ALL content from ALL seasons and DLC back as OPTIONAL downloads, I don't care if the game would take an additional 100gb because 1. It is optional and 2. I have the space for that.
i played the final shape campaign and never touched the game since, it's boring, it's the same over and over, the best content is still locked in the DCV and nothing bungie can do to fix it. nobody i know plays it anymore and we were die hard destiny players till like beyond light but after that it lost it's charme. D2 bad now
It’s been dead for a while. The Final Shape got people excited for a month becuase of nostalgia bait and prismatic. It’s been in this state for a few years
i personally love prismatic but i do wish we had all the ability's and supers to choose from even though i know it be "to op" . i think prismatic is the suture and it be better to just combine it all now.
i don’t think crafting was the issue overall. I think that bungie never put any effort into the actual gameplay and lost a lot of there creativity up to this point. We wouldn’t be complaining about crafting if the activities were enjoyable and unique. It’s actually surprising to me that it took about 10 years of destiny to get a new enemy type. Also we haven’t even left the system? The keep players in the dark about there dlcs because they have been known to scrap all of there work at the last minute because they don’t like how it was. That’s why year one of both games was so shit
I stopped playing Destiny a few months before TFS dropped. I even refunded the pre order. I lost that much interest thanks to lightfall and subsequent seasons. Shame s I was an avid raider. Something broke for me in the game and from what I have seen, it has not encouraged me to go back.
@ I want to say a D3 would help. Frankly, after sunsetting happened, they shoulda started to make it back then IMO. But, yes very low faith in Bungie. Maybe once Sony has full control things will turn around, but I dunno. Marathon gives me no excitement either. We will see. I hate saying never!
@@verios44 You bring up some interesting points! I think a lot of players felt burned by sunsetting and it definitely shook confidence in Bungie's long-term vision for Destiny 2. Starting fresh with a Destiny 3 could be a good way to address some of the underlying issues with the current game engine and give them a chance to reimagine the core gameplay loop. I hope Bungie improves under Sony's ownership. I haven't seen too many bad games from Sony, just some questionable decisions, like forcing PC players to have a PSN account. I understand why they did it, but a lot of people couldn't play Helldivers 2 for a while because of it. Once they reversed the change it's pretty well-liked again. And yeah, Marathon doesn't seem to be generating much hype. I also hate saying "never," but I'm cautiously pessimistic about the future of Destiny 2. Hopefully, Bungie can prove me wrong! I guess we'll just have to wait and see what the future holds.
What they need is keep the crafting but do reset where you can make have to craft and upgrade the old weapons to work good in the new frontier rare mat also make work on exotics bait switch on sun shot are something like that would be cool are some parks make sweet busyness good.
Hell yeah man I'm dog water at the crucible so I don't even touch it half the time . I am however an avid gambit enjoyer I just wish they'd give it proper updates.
considering the player drop off in tfd id dissagree, currently sitting at 10k from 300k on launch half a year ago (on steam) on launch to 10k now is crazy
The thing about crafting was that it completely broke the loot incentive in destiny. there is no reason at all to go and play raids or any other end game activity because crafting is too good and the weapons you can craft are just too busted. this is the root of the problem and this is why so many people hate crafting (including myself). I definitely see the benefits and stuff to the average player who can only play an hour or 2 a day but its killed the games loot system. the activities in the game are not fun and the loot is not worth it because bungie practically hands out busted craftible weapons every season to every player. I do not believe the reason for the player drop off is non craftible weapons its more of a loot issue. and for destiny being dead sadly yea probably gonna be gone or close to gone if they dont have a Taken King or a Forsaken Level comeback. they have let down players over and over again and no one really cares for the game anymore at this point too many bugs, bad balancing, bad game design, bad decisions from higher ups and their only interest being the eververse store. shit needs to change fast.
We'll have to agree to disagree on the crafting part at this point. Yes, crafting weapons can be broken, but there are a ton of mid ones too. Plus, at the end of the day, you're just grinding to get those rolls anyway. The fact I can't craft the season weapons makes me not want to play at all. I am okay with non-craftable raid loot though, even though I don't love that idea either. Even with random loot across the board, constantly doing what feels like the same thing for months to years on end gets boring. Most activities for seasonal content are basically the same. I feel what's needed is a new something, maybe like those pre-patch stasis abilities again, or 12-player raids. If there's a fun activity, players will want to play the game, weapons be damned. Maybe just do Pantheon again every few months, see how it goes. I personally want a new raid or Wrath.At this point, I'd say kill Marathon and just do a Destiny 3 on a better engine. Thank you for the comment though, I appreciate seeing other people's perspectives on what could help, i hope you enjoyed the video overall.
@@yeolboyssee this is more of the real issue as someone like myself that’s against crafting and agrees with the person u just responded to particularly in the idea of the loot chase and incentive being dead, the only realistic way is to do D3 a full loot and sandbox reset. As we all know there not doing this and there trying to appeal hardcore like myself but adding loot chase in a game that’s been beaten with so much loot being acquired it doesn’t feel good so being able to get things easier in an already bloated sandbox won’t make as you frustrated but won’t fix D2. D2 is a shell of the past, a game that has been beaten in a grind aspect as well as narrative (even though narrative is not the main reason). I haven’t played since season of the wish and I have thousands of hours across d2 and won’t comeback until they just reset all the loot. Even with what there doing it’s just gonna make the grind more annoying and is a fake reset with armor or weapons going down the road. I think there could be a compromise of crafting going into a new game but there’s just no fixing it in d2, it’s beyond fixing
I doubt any competition is going to kill the game, but there are many other factors that can though. such as taking things away pretty consistently just to bring it back and act as if it's new.
The only way Bungie. A fix Destiny is to make it more solo player friendly… Everything is geared towards teams and crucible play now. Those of us who work full-time, don’t have the time to build teams and have friends and groups of players all the time. It’s gotten too hard to play as a solo player.
See I think the problem. Is is that there's no real way for a player to even meet another player the tower is not good enough for that to have the capability inside a destiny there needs to be a much better way for player-to-player interaction besides an lfg. Possibly a hub where players can actually, I don't know talk to each other so they can just team up that way I've never understood in this game. Why they've made it. So if you're in the same area as a player you can't hear them it never made any sense to me, but maybe bungee will change that and I think that'll honestly make it so between the solo players and the players who only play with people. It'll make that gap a lot smaller to non-existent at all. Because at the end of the day I still want to play with other players solo games are great, but there's also a time in a place. I don't think you could play Destiny fully solo.
@ if I could play with someone who is above the age of 10 🤣 would be great. I find. That all the young kids don’t have a sense of strategy and just run in and die. I can’t stand that. I have a dozen or so players that I can call on the help with missions and raids. But most of the time they are just not interested in playing the same areas again and then I’m at a loss again. Forget clans ! They don’t do anything special either. I join them and they kick me out for lack of participation. I think Bungie should just go back to Matchmaking for teams of 3 or more for everything, that way we can all have fun and enjoy the game again.
I feel like you could have put it better but crafting is the issue, removing the one a week red border grind reduces player retention the issue with bungie is they had the perfect formula when there where 2 sets of weapons 1 craftable and 1 not also makign dungeons and raids hard (on LFG only) makes the general player wnat to kill themselves due to LFG blueberries
I'd be okay if they even made us grind for the red border itself, I don't like it, but it would be a balanced way for crafting without ripping it away like they did. I don't usually have too many problems teaching new players if they have a good to even an okay arsenal. There are a lot more problems with newbies who like to try and raid without a mic, and just wanna be dragged through so they didn't have to learn.
Bungie wont fix destiny. Its dead. They moved on to marathon a long time ago. If they were to even attempt to revive destiny, they’d need to kill marathon, kill d2. And just full send on a D3. And make d3 a forever priority. Other than that? Just kill it completely and move on. They should just give people back all the sunset content. But who cares.
Destiny has been one of my favorite games for years. I'd rather them scrap Marathon, and make a D3. I hope that Marathon is good, but I don't think it's aimed for the Destiny audience, which is okay but at the same time sucks in a way.
i dont think crafting is the problem i mean yes crafting is nice but ive played destiny since vanilla d1 and played every dlc the longest break i took wat a year and a half before coming back but a few weeks after TFS launched i had zero motivation to even log in the game i only did a few raids and the seasonal story but thats it i was done when revenant dropped i played the first story mission and listened to a few lines of dialogue but since then i haven't logged in once last i launched the game was October 8th since then ive moved on deleted d2 started warframe and just kept my eye on d2 to see if theres even a chance but there isn't anymore i can tell from whats happening that theres no effort being put into it d2 is on life support its sad to see and if there ever is a comeback ill consider redownloading but the issues i currently see is 1. bugs and overall quality of the content has plummeted 2. no real reason to come back aka no reason to grind weapons and armor and 3. the largest problem that may be causing 2 is the lack of direction the witness is dead he Traveller saved and the guardian is at their peak of power with prismatic all the mysteries solved the black fleet has no more secrets to hold and theres no real big bad to take down or even challenge the last city yes we could help the cabal take back their home or go get riis back for the fallen but why. look at warframe a year or two ago did their version of a final shape with the new war when that was over people didn't just leave people stayed because there was more to figure out with the man in the wall something they set up long before the new war not like destiny where theirs mentions of the 'winnower' that currently pose zero threat destiny is gone thats hard to say for me but i think its time we let it go.
Great points. But just like the "top guys" I'm yet to find ANY creator talking about what true casuals play video games for! Its definitely not "build crafting" or "god rolls". Hell most of them wont know what a roll even is. They play for story, vibes, cool mechincs & gameplay, for fun! And you NEED such casuals in large numbers for a game of this scale and work talent to survive and profit. Else they will only create hedonic loops and treat dedicated players like whales (or die out). This game has not been fun since Into The Light. Even TFS was a moment of fun that didn't really last.
Their needs to be a much better way for new players to be able to get over the barrier of entry for the game in general so they can become interested enough to learn more about the game marketing them a better player at the game you are right though it is about fun if it's not fun then no one will play
I'm still of the strong opinion that crafting was a mistake and has done a lot of damage to Destiny 2's loot in general, now activities just fully end up dead because you can craft anything that activity had to offer so there's no need to go back and grind or farm on those activites again thus making it more fustrating for anyone new or returning players since nobody does the activity anymore One of the big things is that Destiny 2 has been in a slow yet steady decline post Beyond light release but it started really going downhill post Witch Queen and where issues started to get more noticeable and stand out more and more
For me, I didn't notice a huge decline in players until Lightfall dropped. It was such a huge disappointment. To this day, you can still see in the game that The Final Shape and Lightfall were meant to be one mega DLC. I would of waited 2 years for all the content to drop at once tbh.
Destiny 2 is suffering from the same issue that the MCU had after Avengers: Endgame. No one cared about stuff after that. Shang-Chi was mid and so was Wandavision. Even the movies were a miss. I felt lost after Avengers: Endgame and I feel the same way about Desiny 2 - I feel like we're going through the motions and there's no direction... Hopefully they can get a DLC like Deadpool&Wolverine did for the MCU and they seem focused now, but right now (not to mention the bugs) D2 is at its lowest point...
I agree with you and it's definitely hard for a dev to find something to grab people's attention again after endgame has already happened. I'm hoping the next saga is even better. There's nothing Id love more than to have Destiny live forever. Personally I think it's one of the best story's in all of gaming history. I know even if the game actually does fully die (I don't want this to happen at all) the story itself could live on for a long time afterwards.
The worse part the Gambit and Crucible are lack of players. Always with 4 players if lucky maybe get full team but even so manage to get full team all of a sudden the game just disconnect out until I get this thing that I am not allowed to play them until due date. Vanguard well I am the only one no team been in Vanguard for almost 5 hours not even another player. Free roaming completely quite. If this keeps up Destiny 2 will be dead or maybe players will be back when the next chapter comes.
Gambit really needs a huge update I was playing it 2 or 3 days ago I noticed that it says connecting to destiny servers alot which is crazy because their isn't that many people playing
I stopped a couple months after final shape the grind was getting very lame. The story was drip fed and not very well written. I agree with you crafting was a very good quality of life add ons. I do not see me returning ever again.
I hoped on tonight just so I can get through the season pass I already payed for it I have to do it now . It felt like I was pulling finger nails with some of the missions I had to do I'll look at what next year has, but if their isn't at least a decent story I don't want it.
Destiny lost players for now but it is fix able just reset with a large content redesign and dlc should fix with ui and quest update and new game experience that make sense on what to do and what going on as you move to the new frontier it the name new refresh reset adventure into the frontier. Make the new weapon so much better by making old weapon not as good with out grinding a crafting rare upgrade and lvling the weapon to idk 50 are some thing it wanta use old weapons kind some like in the game so shouldn't be hard add a rarer end game version for that dlc also make tranmog easier.
It's not dead but its definitely dying fast. They got me until they sunset again and they git rid of Gambit. Gambit is one of the few things I like now. Only thing I have to worry about is them deleting it because other than that they will not be touching it 😁
If onslaught does become the full replacement for Gambit I hope they keep adding to it. I don't like it much but I do see some potential. I like the warzone mode in Halo 5 so that's one of the reasons I got excited for Gambit because I was hoping at some point we would get something close to it in Destiny if we ever got bigger maps. At least they tried multiple times to get more players on board. I will enjoy Gambit until it's gone.
Its on the lifeline right now but it will never truely die out because it is genuinely a great game only sane people would agree BTW love how everyone seems to be making videos about it 😂
ive wanted to make this myself for a while. i don't want it to die and it is one of my favorite games. i just think because we cant see the future, and the very little trust we have in bungie itll be hard for the players to just hop back in with any trust in bungie even if they make the best expansion in destiny history.
NOPE. This game is dead and gone. The people sticking around for the final death gasps of this game and company BAFLLE me. I’ve played for 10 years too, so don’t tell me it’s nostalgia. Bungie does not care about fixing the game or making it better. So why the hell would I stick around and continue to throw time and money at a company that will just take my money and do ANYTHING ELSE but fix their game. Bungie is trash, Destiny is dead.
@ which I guarantee will be a shitter…..so another waste of money and time by Bungo, when they HAVE a cash cow, they just don’t give a shit about fixing it to make it profitable. When you prioritize having a good quality game and listening to the fan base, the money will come in. You won’t need to push overly monetized bullshit onto everyone, then wonder why nobody plays your shitty game. These companies baffle me, dawg
Honestly, I'm not sure if a big hype trailer will work or be as effective as it once was unless it seems like there's a lot to offer. Even then, everyone knows the trailers 90% of the time are better than the actual gameplay will be. I can only hope id rather the destiny franchise go on for 100 years then 12.
People saying it's dead are low-key dumb as soon as i heard this dude mentioned playing black ops 6 i immediately knew he has zero taste or any idea on whats going on 😂
The game has been losing players at an alarming rate . its down to about 19k players a month I think that's pretty close to dead. I have at least 4 to 5 thousand hours in destiny, I have more than enough knowledge of what's going on . There's nothing wrong with liking cod zombies it's pretty fun, but if you want to continue to project your ignorance onto others feel free.
The game has no direction. I’m a 10 year veteran and I am the same as you I don’t want to play it. It’s not fun. Bungies seasonal content is trash. What’s the point of playing with no real future. The weapons they release is trash. They need to start innovating again.
@ problem is all the people that were good. All the people that also made the original onslaught. Who made final shape. The witch queen. These people are all gone. The current employees are not showing they can deliver much so I don’t see them able to create a awesome new d3 unless they go and hire a bunch of banger game developers again which I doubt will happen.
Gonna have to say L take. Crafting didnt ruin the game, i believe the enhancement really killed the grind chase, people have told me that they're better than adept weapons and ive always spoken that Adept would always be the pinnacle of the weapon grind as they came with enhanced stats and double the pool. The vets are playing a pain game, i did it so you have too. As a 10 year vet i dont think it ruined the game, but it did hurt a big part of the half the grind. What ruined the game is the losing content in the vault and still being forced to pay for that content and the big wigs on mismanagement and leaving parts of the game to die and dry out, (gambit and PvP). The big streamers are about the grind and accolades that come with it. The new people are too overwhelmed with nodes and how exactly how to target farm and power grind effectively to get into the end game content.
I'm slightly confused so you like crafting or do you not like it? I'm a fan of crafting in every sense personally. I wish they gave gambit even a pizza roll of love but they have decided to kill it instead. I think for a debt weapon they should make the perks slightly to a lot better than the non-adept counterparts. Thanks for the comment
For me its the way bungie has abandon destiny. I have seen alot of up and downs. Vaulting paid content nearly made me leave the game. Now with this state of the game and its not going to age well. This is a hot take but we really need a D3. Thats just my opinion.
I agree it is time for a better engine for the game as a whole so it doesn't crash and burn every time an update comes out , and a d3 a total reset of the game a brand new start.
If everything should be craftable, then at that point why bother giving us normal drops if we’ll just ignore any perk combination, and dismantle them because it isn’t a red boarder? New players (if there’s still some left) would hold no attachment to newly acquired weapons- even a 5-5 god roll- because they’ll be told, “no just use it as fodder to get its pattern.” D2 is in a really awkward state where it’s very imbalanced in terms of craftable and enhanceable weapons. Bungie needs to create some consistency, but unfortunately it’s already too late for that.
I hate to say but crafting ruined the game. It's a looter shooter. You're meant to grind the game to get the roll you want.Raids have became pointless now due to crafting that's why lfg numbers for raids are down. Once I got all the red borders I just didn't touch the raids apart from when I wanted to do trio or duo clears. I get that it's eaiser for more casual players to get the rolls they desire but it ruins the loot incentive completely for others. The tonic system that now works as intended is fine. You get a steady flow of weapons you want coming in so getting the god roll doesn't take as long. Also about the stroy, these episodes aren't meant to set up the new big bad, they're supposed to wrap up loose ends that couldn't be covered in the final shape. Idk why people fail to understand this
i get your take here i spent well over 4k hours in d2 alone the old weapon grind is just kind of eh at this point and never seems worth it. i hope you still liked the video!
Random rolls ain’t the issue dog you said it yourself “I would do a raid for random rolls cuz it’s fun” if other content was fun you wouldn’t mind grinding random rolls bruh. This game is a LOOTER SHOOTER it’s all about rng. People dropping off cuz the darkness saga ended, and the seasonal model sucks. This whole video sounds like what’s making you dislike the game personally and your anecdotal experiences with your friends.
I like the raids not the chase for random rolls. For me it was about blowing up the boss that's really it. I get it's a looter shooter very well I've played it for 10 years now. And this is based off my opinions and numerous other people I've spoken to that play or played destiny regularly weather they were my friends or not. Just because it's not yours doesn't mean it's not others. I'm aware not everyone agrees with me, and that's okay I hope you still enjoyed the video anyway. The one thing we can agree on is the seasonal model is horrible.
Ahh the Destiny community, how hard you all refused a sequel when it would have made sense and so now the game is just more and more broken, you wanted sbmm to protect you from reasonable feedback in pvp so now pvp is sweaty all the time, you didn't want to wait or pay for a proper meaty expansion so now you juet get repackaged seasonal trash content
Alot of the community has wanted a d3 for a while . I personally would love a 3rd destiny . I'm also more then willing to wait for large meaty expansion I personally would of rather had light fall and the final shape drop at the same time like I said in the video, but most can't wait for such things so we get half baked products unfortunately every other year. I was getting stomped on before sbmm and after sbmm so that hasn't really made a difference to me much personally.
4 seconds in and I can tell you now, no. D2 is effectively dead. The only thing that could revive destiny would be about 3 years of effort to revamp everything and a gutting of the C-suite
do you think it be better to kill d2 in favor of a d3, or just give some hardcore upgrades on d2?
I think a game like destiny, while it can be dragged on a bit, i think 7 years is a bit too much. What more can you provide to excite your players? ( of course they can still release smth good but speaking from experience theyre doing the bare minimum). So a new game fixing the wrongs of its predecessor would work better to reignite the flame, while also avoiding putting too much effort in eververse
The mobile game at this point has more content 😂
@@QuatraaGaming ill have to check that out 🤣
@@retiredboi3175 i think a new games a good idea
For me the problem is vaulting, the past stories worked they could make a midquell for destiny, I would pay any reasonable amount of money to get the red war through forsaken back
Vaulting made a lot of people leave, but personally, I paid once. I wouldn't even think about paying again for the Red War or Forsaken vaulted content, but I'm sure there are many like you out there who would, which is understandable
I think the real issue is that IF bungie can fix D2, which is exponentially looking to be impossible, how many people are going to come back? Bungie has shown that they cannot be trusted at all, and the main story is concluded. So why continue to play a game, with a finished story, and an untrustworthy company at the helm?
id say make a new game and stop focusing on any other project
Weapon Crafting was my only incentive to play. My RNG this episode/season has been atrocious. I haven’t received a single revenant weapon that had a decent roll. NOT ONE.
I didn't even bother testing my RNG for a good roll Reverent weapon. Plus I'm kinda sick of having to get multiple of the same gun, just for a few good rolls when I could just change the perks myself.i don't have enough vault space
@@yeolboys Dude between my vault.My Post Office box and my 3 characters.I might have seven empty slots And it's been like that since pantheon..
I feel you there my vaults maxed out I helped someone last night for a quick garden final boss run checked my vault completely full to the brim. I then hopped over to dead rising 2 and demolished some zombies.
And this is what the bungee shells never understand yes Bungie makes changes but rarely are the changes what the players want. No one told them to get rid of seasonal craftable weapons. And for them not to bring back shiny weapons was another huge misstep. If they don't get it together in episode 3 Apollo is cooked
agreed
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Thank you for the nice comment they really do focus on the streamers way more then they should
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I stopped after Final shape. Defeating the witness and the ending scenes felt like closure. Haven't played since.
I get that
This is a great video man,keep it up!!!
THANK YOU! I appreciate the support!!
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I think the most important thing people need to come to terms with is that the folks who made the good parts of D2 are no longer part of the dev team.
Not only that , while I agree with most of the points about crafting, etc., i also think they need to focus on hiring decent writers. What really stopped me from playing wasn’t just the end of crafting (though that did help me quit); it was how bad the writing quality of the episodic content has been.
It's kinda like they got to the final shape and after it came out they just said "yeah you can make the story mid now"
lol you can feel the employee firings with how many issues and bugs are in the game now. there's nobody to QC anymore and make sure things are working as intended. the game just doesn't feel the same. i could sit for hours in some random place and chase something forever but now i just can't be bothered to sit for more than 5 minutes and play. it's so sad because i loved this game so much and to see it flame out the way it is is a little sad
i hope they can some how reignite the flame for the players, i don't know how they can though.
@ i assume a lot of it had to do with Final Shape being a good end point for a lot of players, the game is in that “What now?” state after the defeat of the Witness and now they need to add some new and bigger bad guy who is bigger than the Witness in order to try and salvage what little care and attention the game gets now
You are correct without a doubt wow dose the same thing if it can run for what 20 years, destiny can but I think it's time to put a real market into destiny they'd need to make a whole new game for that though D2 couldn't handle a real in game market place
Wair, there are guided versions of raids?
yeah their was but it got replaced with fire team finder because no one used it.
I think the way Into the Light did it was cool. Make weapons craftable with an uncraftable “shiny” version. Both camps happy.
I think that's the best idea I've heard so far now a shiny weapon would be something I grind for or even better make it have some weird VFX coming off the gun oooohh yeah
Tinctures work now…but I noticed the Exotic Class item attainment isn’t working right 😂. Guess we’ll have to wait until the devs get back from Christmas/holiday break.
who else but bungo
You hit the nail on the head. I uninstalled D2 recently, and I think one of the big reasons was the lack of craftable weapons this season.
Granted, if at least D2 had other things to keep my attention like an amazing story, or actually interesting gameplay that isn't a rehash of old shit, maybe it would have been enough.
As is, D2 has almost no appeal to me aside from some nostalgia.
I think I just need to let it go. It's a dead game walking.
I haven't touched it since the first week of Reverent. I've been playing COD Zombies and Dead Rising 2.
if crafting is a perfect system(it is, no arguement) then enhancing is like the beta version of crafting. armor crafting was the next step and all they had to do for that was make stat points into a singular pool then allow you to dispense them as you choose.
how come warframe survives and all of its weapons are craftable?
red border hunt meant time was respected.
You're just lazy. Games always been grindy crafting made you forget that. Most hardcore players enjoy the grind and these players are the ones bungie should focus on as they actually play the game
@@Jaffamuncher21 still farming for my godroll pve nameless midnight but you right its totally not then core gameplay being easy af, the only 3 months to try and get everything new, and the locking of the seasonal storys upgrades behind a time gate as to pace players over consumption of content to prevent "theres nothing to do now"
again warframes not suffering this, stop making excuses.
Probably the most fun. After finial shape story that was good 👍.
When crafting was introduced I thought to myself this is taking out a core a loop of the game, they need to fill this in with something else. 2.5 years later they never did.
I had nostalgia about chasing random rolls and was pro rng drops. I was happy with this introduction of rng at the start of the seson.
Now, midway through the season, I realized I was mistaken and my intuition was right when they first introduced crafting. That they need introduce another loop alongside crafting. With that in mind Ive completely changed my opinion and we need crafting back, with a focus on introducing new loops into the game to keep people playing.
lets hope bungie brings it back sooner than later. everyone can talk bad about crafting but the player count doesn't lie we need it bad.
Having to grind raids without red borders is a bad take it's alot harder to farm a raid
I'm not the biggest fan of the idea, but id accept it.
Bros not yappin enough
i appreciate it im glad you liked the video!
We should let it die. Things end, That's what makes them special.
You're not necessarily wrong, but I don't want the destiny franchise to die as a whole personally I can see why you'd say this though.
the horrid RNG for Pinnacle Gear (both the slot drops AND stat rolls) is what killed this game, I can't be convinced otherwise
The rng is horrible I heard they where supposed to make it better but never seemed to become true
In my opinion this is how the game could have been fixed with MINIMAL effort(this is to not guarantee the death, still needs Forsaken level DLCs every year to be relevant:
Every season should have brought at least 1 new archetype to the game, like a burst fusion rifle archetype, a 1200 rpm smg archetype, Maybe a crossbow as special ammo, LMG as a primary(highlight on the Light part not MG), Daggers as special ammo melee weapon, Autocannon as a new heavy, 2 round burst Pulse rifles. And probably many more ideas to find. A "unique" Rarity for Armor which is "semi exotic" that either has small unique perks or is a "Set bonus" so if you equip a full set you get some boosts, lets say 4 of the same Set so you can still have an exotic the boosts can be similar to exotic perks where they either just give stat boosts or upgrade subclass abilities or whatever, point is you can have maybe 30 different sets just for weapon types and subclass trees making Build crafting so much more fun then have even more sets for more niche things like combos and buffs.
Just adding a new archetype every season would make the loot pool and grind so much more interesting, it doesn't always have to be the best option, sometimes it is enough to be the most fun option. Also what ruined destiny was the removal of past DLC and the idea of not making "too good of an expansion like Forsaken" because it would make the worse ones look even worse. That along with the greed from seasons that never had any real new content just reskinned "do 5 patrols", "do 3 public events" type garbage. Dungeons were good, but should definently also been part of the paid season.
Also seasons should have never gone and instead you should be able to replay them in a non matchmaking mode (to not draw players away from other things) and all previous battle passes should have been purchasable.
Now the game is ruined and its too late, haven't played since witch king and never will play again because they don't deserve my time or money. I always wanted to return, but when I saw they are not making the annual expansions/ the expansions + the seasons are more expensive. All this content issue would have been fixed by bringing ALL content from ALL seasons and DLC back as OPTIONAL downloads, I don't care if the game would take an additional 100gb because 1. It is optional and 2. I have the space for that.
I could see a lot of this working. I have a 2TB PS5 that's pretty much just for D2 at this point. I'm willing to give up some space for more content.
i played the final shape campaign and never touched the game since, it's boring, it's the same over and over, the best content is still locked in the DCV and nothing bungie can do to fix it.
nobody i know plays it anymore and we were die hard destiny players till like beyond light but after that it lost it's charme.
D2 bad now
i think its time for another unbalanced meta to come by
It’s been dead for a while. The Final Shape got people excited for a month becuase of nostalgia bait and prismatic. It’s been in this state for a few years
i personally love prismatic but i do wish we had all the ability's and supers to choose from even though i know it be "to op" . i think prismatic is the suture and it be better to just combine it all now.
i don’t think crafting was the issue overall. I think that bungie never put any effort into the actual gameplay and lost a lot of there creativity up to this point. We wouldn’t be complaining about crafting if the activities were enjoyable and unique. It’s actually surprising to me that it took about 10 years of destiny to get a new enemy type. Also we haven’t even left the system? The keep players in the dark about there dlcs because they have been known to scrap all of there work at the last minute because they don’t like how it was. That’s why year one of both games was so shit
I can see your viewpoints and I'd say they're right for the most part. Let's see if they can fix it, but Bungie probably won't.
I stopped playing Destiny a few months before TFS dropped. I even refunded the pre order. I lost that much interest thanks to lightfall and subsequent seasons. Shame s I was an avid raider. Something broke for me in the game and from what I have seen, it has not encouraged me to go back.
would a new destiny 3 be able to get you back into the franchise, or do you not trust bungie a to have the ability to make another one?
@ I want to say a D3 would help. Frankly, after sunsetting happened, they shoulda started to make it back then IMO. But, yes very low faith in Bungie. Maybe once Sony has full control things will turn around, but I dunno. Marathon gives me no excitement either. We will see. I hate saying never!
@@verios44 You bring up some interesting points! I think a lot of players felt burned by sunsetting and it definitely shook confidence in Bungie's long-term vision for Destiny 2. Starting fresh with a Destiny 3 could be a good way to address some of the underlying issues with the current game engine and give them a chance to reimagine the core gameplay loop. I hope Bungie improves under Sony's ownership. I haven't seen too many bad games from Sony, just some questionable decisions, like forcing PC players to have a PSN account. I understand why they did it, but a lot of people couldn't play Helldivers 2 for a while because of it. Once they reversed the change it's pretty well-liked again. And yeah, Marathon doesn't seem to be generating much hype. I also hate saying "never," but I'm cautiously pessimistic about the future of Destiny 2. Hopefully, Bungie can prove me wrong! I guess we'll just have to wait and see what the future holds.
What they need is keep the crafting but do reset where you can make have to craft and upgrade the old weapons to work good in the new frontier rare mat also make work on exotics bait switch on sun shot are something like that would be cool are some parks make sweet busyness good.
I still personally enjoy hopping on and playing still. I mainly just play crucible with the boys. lol
Hell yeah man I'm dog water at the crucible so I don't even touch it half the time . I am however an avid gambit enjoyer I just wish they'd give it proper updates.
So The First Descendant actually is the Destiny killer
Destiny is the Destiny killer
considering the player drop off in tfd id dissagree, currently sitting at 10k from 300k on launch half a year ago (on steam) on launch to 10k now is crazy
Bungo is the Destiny killer, while at the same time other looter shooter bring shame to the D2 game
I didn't like the first descendant too much myself but I can see D2 player going to that game .
The thing about crafting was that it completely broke the loot incentive in destiny. there is no reason at all to go and play raids or any other end game activity because crafting is too good and the weapons you can craft are just too busted. this is the root of the problem and this is why so many people hate crafting (including myself). I definitely see the benefits and stuff to the average player who can only play an hour or 2 a day but its killed the games loot system. the activities in the game are not fun and the loot is not worth it because bungie practically hands out busted craftible weapons every season to every player. I do not believe the reason for the player drop off is non craftible weapons its more of a loot issue. and for destiny being dead sadly yea probably gonna be gone or close to gone if they dont have a Taken King or a Forsaken Level comeback. they have let down players over and over again and no one really cares for the game anymore at this point too many bugs, bad balancing, bad game design, bad decisions from higher ups and their only interest being the eververse store. shit needs to change fast.
We'll have to agree to disagree on the crafting part at this point. Yes, crafting weapons can be broken, but there are a ton of mid ones too. Plus, at the end of the day, you're just grinding to get those rolls anyway. The fact I can't craft the season weapons makes me not want to play at all. I am okay with non-craftable raid loot though, even though I don't love that idea either. Even with random loot across the board, constantly doing what feels like the same thing for months to years on end gets boring. Most activities for seasonal content are basically the same. I feel what's needed is a new something, maybe like those pre-patch stasis abilities again, or 12-player raids. If there's a fun activity, players will want to play the game, weapons be damned. Maybe just do Pantheon again every few months, see how it goes. I personally want a new raid or Wrath.At this point, I'd say kill Marathon and just do a Destiny 3 on a better engine. Thank you for the comment though, I appreciate seeing other people's perspectives on what could help, i hope you enjoyed the video overall.
@@yeolboyssee this is more of the real issue as someone like myself that’s against crafting and agrees with the person u just responded to particularly in the idea of the loot chase and incentive being dead, the only realistic way is to do D3 a full loot and sandbox reset. As we all know there not doing this and there trying to appeal hardcore like myself but adding loot chase in a game that’s been beaten with so much loot being acquired it doesn’t feel good so being able to get things easier in an already bloated sandbox won’t make as you frustrated but won’t fix D2. D2 is a shell of the past, a game that has been beaten in a grind aspect as well as narrative (even though narrative is not the main reason). I haven’t played since season of the wish and I have thousands of hours across d2 and won’t comeback until they just reset all the loot. Even with what there doing it’s just gonna make the grind more annoying and is a fake reset with armor or weapons going down the road. I think there could be a compromise of crafting going into a new game but there’s just no fixing it in d2, it’s beyond fixing
been hearing that for more than 10 years lol. The thing is... there is no competition to D2.
I doubt any competition is going to kill the game, but there are many other factors that can though. such as taking things away pretty consistently just to bring it back and act as if it's new.
The only way Bungie. A fix Destiny is to make it more solo player friendly… Everything is geared towards teams and crucible play now. Those of us who work full-time, don’t have the time to build teams and have friends and groups of players all the time. It’s gotten too hard to play as a solo player.
See I think the problem. Is is that there's no real way for a player to even meet another player the tower is not good enough for that to have the capability inside a destiny there needs to be a much better way for player-to-player interaction besides an lfg. Possibly a hub where players can actually, I don't know talk to each other so they can just team up that way I've never understood in this game. Why they've made it. So if you're in the same area as a player you can't hear them it never made any sense to me, but maybe bungee will change that and I think that'll honestly make it so between the solo players and the players who only play with people. It'll make that gap a lot smaller to non-existent at all. Because at the end of the day I still want to play with other players solo games are great, but there's also a time in a place. I don't think you could play Destiny fully solo.
@ if I could play with someone who is above the age of 10 🤣 would be great. I find. That all the young kids don’t have a sense of strategy and just run in and die. I can’t stand that. I have a dozen or so players that I can call on the help with missions and raids. But most of the time they are just not interested in playing the same areas again and then I’m at a loss again. Forget clans ! They don’t do anything special either. I join them and they kick me out for lack of participation. I think Bungie should just go back to Matchmaking for teams of 3 or more for everything, that way we can all have fun and enjoy the game again.
@@scapilot i like the teams of 3 idea but honestly i just run into a lot of older to grown people that sound dead inside from destiny 2 🤣
I feel like you could have put it better but crafting is the issue, removing the one a week red border grind reduces player retention
the issue with bungie is they had the perfect formula when there where 2 sets of weapons 1 craftable and 1 not
also makign dungeons and raids hard (on LFG only) makes the general player wnat to kill themselves due to LFG blueberries
I'd be okay if they even made us grind for the red border itself, I don't like it, but it would be a balanced way for crafting without ripping it away like they did. I don't usually have too many problems teaching new players if they have a good to even an okay arsenal. There are a lot more problems with newbies who like to try and raid without a mic, and just wanna be dragged through so they didn't have to learn.
Bungie wont fix destiny. Its dead. They moved on to marathon a long time ago. If they were to even attempt to revive destiny, they’d need to kill marathon, kill d2. And just full send on a D3. And make d3 a forever priority. Other than that? Just kill it completely and move on. They should just give people back all the sunset content. But who cares.
Destiny has been one of my favorite games for years. I'd rather them scrap Marathon, and make a D3. I hope that Marathon is good, but I don't think it's aimed for the Destiny audience, which is okay but at the same time sucks in a way.
i dont think crafting is the problem i mean yes crafting is nice but ive played destiny since vanilla d1 and played every dlc the longest break i took wat a year and a half before coming back but a few weeks after TFS launched i had zero motivation to even log in the game i only did a few raids and the seasonal story but thats it i was done when revenant dropped i played the first story mission and listened to a few lines of dialogue but since then i haven't logged in once last i launched the game was October 8th since then ive moved on deleted d2 started warframe and just kept my eye on d2 to see if theres even a chance but there isn't anymore i can tell from whats happening that theres no effort being put into it d2 is on life support its sad to see and if there ever is a comeback ill consider redownloading but the issues i currently see is 1. bugs and overall quality of the content has plummeted 2. no real reason to come back aka no reason to grind weapons and armor and 3. the largest problem that may be causing 2 is the lack of direction the witness is dead he Traveller saved and the guardian is at their peak of power with prismatic all the mysteries solved the black fleet has no more secrets to hold and theres no real big bad to take down or even challenge the last city yes we could help the cabal take back their home or go get riis back for the fallen but why. look at warframe a year or two ago did their version of a final shape with the new war when that was over people didn't just leave people stayed because there was more to figure out with the man in the wall something they set up long before the new war not like destiny where theirs mentions of the 'winnower' that currently pose zero threat destiny is gone thats hard to say for me but i think its time we let it go.
i cant let it go personally i just want a new game at this point ill accept starting from the ground up again
Great points. But just like the "top guys" I'm yet to find ANY creator talking about what true casuals play video games for! Its definitely not "build crafting" or "god rolls". Hell most of them wont know what a roll even is. They play for story, vibes, cool mechincs & gameplay, for fun! And you NEED such casuals in large numbers for a game of this scale and work talent to survive and profit. Else they will only create hedonic loops and treat dedicated players like whales (or die out). This game has not been fun since Into The Light. Even TFS was a moment of fun that didn't really last.
Their needs to be a much better way for new players to be able to get over the barrier of entry for the game in general so they can become interested enough to learn more about the game marketing them a better player at the game you are right though it is about fun if it's not fun then no one will play
I'm still of the strong opinion that crafting was a mistake and has done a lot of damage to Destiny 2's loot in general, now activities just fully end up dead because you can craft anything that activity had to offer so there's no need to go back and grind or farm on those activites again thus making it more fustrating for anyone new or returning players since nobody does the activity anymore
One of the big things is that Destiny 2 has been in a slow yet steady decline post Beyond light release but it started really going downhill post Witch Queen and where issues started to get more noticeable and stand out more and more
For me, I didn't notice a huge decline in players until Lightfall dropped. It was such a huge disappointment. To this day, you can still see in the game that The Final Shape and Lightfall were meant to be one mega DLC. I would of waited 2 years for all the content to drop at once tbh.
Destiny 2 is suffering from the same issue that the MCU had after Avengers: Endgame. No one cared about stuff after that. Shang-Chi was mid and so was Wandavision. Even the movies were a miss. I felt lost after Avengers: Endgame and I feel the same way about Desiny 2 - I feel like we're going through the motions and there's no direction... Hopefully they can get a DLC like Deadpool&Wolverine did for the MCU and they seem focused now, but right now (not to mention the bugs) D2 is at its lowest point...
I agree with you and it's definitely hard for a dev to find something to grab people's attention again after endgame has already happened. I'm hoping the next saga is even better. There's nothing Id love more than to have Destiny live forever. Personally I think it's one of the best story's in all of gaming history. I know even if the game actually does fully die (I don't want this to happen at all) the story itself could live on for a long time afterwards.
Nice to see a more casual take on the game. Fed up with hearing streamers who play the game all day, telling me how destiny should be.
I'm glad you enjoyed the video. If all the companies just listened to the majority the game would be much more alive.
The worse part the Gambit and Crucible are lack of players. Always with 4 players if lucky maybe get full team but even so manage to get full team all of a sudden the game just disconnect out until I get this thing that I am not allowed to play them until due date. Vanguard well I am the only one no team been in Vanguard for almost 5 hours not even another player. Free roaming completely quite. If this keeps up Destiny 2 will be dead or maybe players will be back when the next chapter comes.
Gambit really needs a huge update I was playing it 2 or 3 days ago I noticed that it says connecting to destiny servers alot which is crazy because their isn't that many people playing
Guess I am not the only one. That pops up and then 2 minutes later it kick me out.
Basic bungle servers
I stopped a couple months after final shape the grind was getting very lame. The story was drip fed and not very well written. I agree with you crafting was a very good quality of life add ons. I do not see me returning ever again.
I hoped on tonight just so I can get through the season pass I already payed for it I have to do it now . It felt like I was pulling finger nails with some of the missions I had to do I'll look at what next year has, but if their isn't at least a decent story I don't want it.
Aztecros doesn’t even make videos anymore, he is a copy paste stream channel, that’s it
i still like his dps test videos personally
Destiny lost players for now but it is fix able just reset with a large content redesign and dlc should fix with ui and quest update and new game experience that make sense on what to do and what going on as you move to the new frontier it the name new refresh reset adventure into the frontier. Make the new weapon so much better by making old weapon not as good with out grinding a crafting rare upgrade and lvling the weapon to idk 50 are some thing it wanta use old weapons kind some like in the game so shouldn't be hard add a rarer end game version for that dlc also make tranmog easier.
that could work
It's not dead but its definitely dying fast. They got me until they sunset again and they git rid of Gambit. Gambit is one of the few things I like now. Only thing I have to worry about is them deleting it because other than that they will not be touching it 😁
I wish they would do litterly anything with gambit it's really a shame they she just leaving it their for nothing
It would be cool to at least get the armour perks back. I am glad we got the dreaming city map back.
I think that just fully replaced gambit with onslaught at this point which is good but it isn't gambit
If onslaught does become the full replacement for Gambit I hope they keep adding to it. I don't like it much but I do see some potential. I like the warzone mode in Halo 5 so that's one of the reasons I got excited for Gambit because I was hoping at some point we would get something close to it in Destiny if we ever got bigger maps. At least they tried multiple times to get more players on board. I will enjoy Gambit until it's gone.
@@evermoorzknight3685 i think onslaught is solid for a zombie like mode but gambit just scratch's an itch that other games and modes cant
Its on the lifeline right now but it will never truely die out because it is genuinely a great game only sane people would agree BTW love how everyone seems to be making videos about it 😂
ive wanted to make this myself for a while. i don't want it to die and it is one of my favorite games. i just think because we cant see the future, and the very little trust we have in bungie itll be hard for the players to just hop back in with any trust in bungie even if they make the best expansion in destiny history.
NOPE. This game is dead and gone. The people sticking around for the final death gasps of this game and company BAFLLE me. I’ve played for 10 years too, so don’t tell me it’s nostalgia. Bungie does not care about fixing the game or making it better. So why the hell would I stick around and continue to throw time and money at a company that will just take my money and do ANYTHING ELSE but fix their game. Bungie is trash, Destiny is dead.
all the $$$$ is going right into marathon
@ which I guarantee will be a shitter…..so another waste of money and time by Bungo, when they HAVE a cash cow, they just don’t give a shit about fixing it to make it profitable. When you prioritize having a good quality game and listening to the fan base, the money will come in. You won’t need to push overly monetized bullshit onto everyone, then wonder why nobody plays your shitty game. These companies baffle me, dawg
I don't think D2 is shitty just in a really bad place and needs a lot of attention and real content not half baked bs
After final shape.. even bungie stopped caring.. Destiny 3 will save this franchise.. otherwise i heard the mobile game is the future?
I heard the mobile game is pretty good but I hope it's not the future
Been here since d1. Weve had ups and downs. Were only one hype ass trailer from exploding again.
Honestly, I'm not sure if a big hype trailer will work or be as effective as it once was unless it seems like there's a lot to offer. Even then, everyone knows the trailers 90% of the time are better than the actual gameplay will be. I can only hope id rather the destiny franchise go on for 100 years then 12.
People saying it's dead are low-key dumb as soon as i heard this dude mentioned playing black ops 6 i immediately knew he has zero taste or any idea on whats going on 😂
The game has been losing players at an alarming rate . its down to about 19k players a month I think that's pretty close to dead. I have at least 4 to 5 thousand hours in destiny, I have more than enough knowledge of what's going on . There's nothing wrong with liking cod zombies it's pretty fun, but if you want to continue to project your ignorance onto others feel free.
Actually, no, Destiny is not gone. You're obviously doing a video on it. It's not dead till it's dead.
a lot of things can die and still be talked about like the console division of Sega. i think they need something to spice the game up quick.
The game has no direction. I’m a 10 year veteran and I am the same as you I don’t want to play it. It’s not fun. Bungies seasonal content is trash. What’s the point of playing with no real future. The weapons they release is trash. They need to start innovating again.
i also think the gap for new players needs to be closed my a large margin i hope they can innovate again
@ problem is all the people that were good. All the people that also made the original onslaught. Who made final shape. The witch queen. These people are all gone. The current employees are not showing they can deliver much so I don’t see them able to create a awesome new d3 unless they go and hire a bunch of banger game developers again which I doubt will happen.
if where lucky maybe Sony will loan them a few gow devs
Wrong question. Can Bungie save itself?
Maybe it's upper management changes yes if not then no
@yeolboys true. Which unfortunately answers the question. The devs have a heart for this game. But the whole c-suite has shown repeatedly what it is.
It's what ruins all great companies
Bungie is charging more money for DLC, and the game is buggier than most of the free to play games. Not a good look.
I agree I think it's time for a d3.
Gonna have to say L take. Crafting didnt ruin the game, i believe the enhancement really killed the grind chase, people have told me that they're better than adept weapons and ive always spoken that Adept would always be the pinnacle of the weapon grind as they came with enhanced stats and double the pool. The vets are playing a pain game, i did it so you have too. As a 10 year vet i dont think it ruined the game, but it did hurt a big part of the half the grind.
What ruined the game is the losing content in the vault and still being forced to pay for that content and the big wigs on mismanagement and leaving parts of the game to die and dry out, (gambit and PvP). The big streamers are about the grind and accolades that come with it. The new people are too overwhelmed with nodes and how exactly how to target farm and power grind effectively to get into the end game content.
I'm slightly confused so you like crafting or do you not like it? I'm a fan of crafting in every sense personally. I wish they gave gambit even a pizza roll of love but they have decided to kill it instead. I think for a debt weapon they should make the perks slightly to a lot better than the non-adept counterparts. Thanks for the comment
For me its the way bungie has abandon destiny. I have seen alot of up and downs. Vaulting paid content nearly made me leave the game. Now with this state of the game and its not going to age well. This is a hot take but we really need a D3. Thats just my opinion.
I agree it is time for a better engine for the game as a whole so it doesn't crash and burn every time an update comes out , and a d3 a total reset of the game a brand new start.
no they are idiots...you had it right.
i was hoping i was wrong on that part lets hope and pray . maybe we need to sacrifice a few fallen to the traveler, who know at this point.
Failsafe stuff fun.
If everything should be craftable, then at that point why bother giving us normal drops if we’ll just ignore any perk combination, and dismantle them because it isn’t a red boarder?
New players (if there’s still some left) would hold no attachment to newly acquired weapons- even a 5-5 god roll- because they’ll be told, “no just use it as fodder to get its pattern.”
D2 is in a really awkward state where it’s very imbalanced in terms of craftable and enhanceable weapons. Bungie needs to create some consistency, but unfortunately it’s already too late for that.
the game is ded, its jover for Bungo and D2
i hope they can revive it somehow.
I hate to say but crafting ruined the game. It's a looter shooter. You're meant to grind the game to get the roll you want.Raids have became pointless now due to crafting that's why lfg numbers for raids are down. Once I got all the red borders I just didn't touch the raids apart from when I wanted to do trio or duo clears.
I get that it's eaiser for more casual players to get the rolls they desire but it ruins the loot incentive completely for others. The tonic system that now works as intended is fine. You get a steady flow of weapons you want coming in so getting the god roll doesn't take as long.
Also about the stroy, these episodes aren't meant to set up the new big bad, they're supposed to wrap up loose ends that couldn't be covered in the final shape. Idk why people fail to understand this
i get your take here i spent well over 4k hours in d2 alone the old weapon grind is just kind of eh at this point and never seems worth it. i hope you still liked the video!
Is not dead,but Bungie cant fix it
i hope you're wrong only time will tell
@yeolboys my to bud,my bud...but its been 3 years sense I been hoping to by wrong
@@hellkaiser1366 one day itll be back i swear just keep throwing money at it 🤣
Random rolls ain’t the issue dog you said it yourself “I would do a raid for random rolls cuz it’s fun” if other content was fun you wouldn’t mind grinding random rolls bruh. This game is a LOOTER SHOOTER it’s all about rng. People dropping off cuz the darkness saga ended, and the seasonal model sucks. This whole video sounds like what’s making you dislike the game personally and your anecdotal experiences with your friends.
I like the raids not the chase for random rolls. For me it was about blowing up the boss that's really it. I get it's a looter shooter very well I've played it for 10 years now. And this is based off my opinions and numerous other people I've spoken to that play or played destiny regularly weather they were my friends or not. Just because it's not yours doesn't mean it's not others. I'm aware not everyone agrees with me, and that's okay I hope you still enjoyed the video anyway. The one thing we can agree on is the seasonal model is horrible.
Ahh the Destiny community, how hard you all refused a sequel when it would have made sense and so now the game is just more and more broken, you wanted sbmm to protect you from reasonable feedback in pvp so now pvp is sweaty all the time, you didn't want to wait or pay for a proper meaty expansion so now you juet get repackaged seasonal trash content
Alot of the community has wanted a d3 for a while . I personally would love a 3rd destiny . I'm also more then willing to wait for large meaty expansion I personally would of rather had light fall and the final shape drop at the same time like I said in the video, but most can't wait for such things so we get half baked products unfortunately every other year. I was getting stomped on before sbmm and after sbmm so that hasn't really made a difference to me much personally.
No. Need destiny 3
Id love a destiny 3 it's about time for it
It's Dead for a while.
its on life support at best
bros yapping to much
ill try and structure things better, thanks for the feedback. Hope you still liked the video.
Speak for yourself I love destiny 2 and having so much fun :)
Well you're the first person in the comments to say that. I'm glad you're enjoying it though have fun.