I did this entire episode this week. It’s hilarious how short the actual story is. Go to the last city to talk to Eido next step move two feet to the right and talk to Eido on the radio 😂
Not that it's any excuse, but it's clear how things would have been paced out if the story had been dolled out weekly. Breaking things up with Eido's fieldwork and runs of onslaught or tomb. Just shows what happens when time gates are (mostly) removed.
To be fair it usually would have been spaced out over multiple weeks, so you wouldn't just be going back and forth over and over. They also used to make you run the seasonal activity between dialogue segments, but the entire community complained about that and called it bloat. I agree though that we should really just have dialogue more intertwined into gameplay, and I'm hoping that's what they'll be moving towards with Heresy and Frontiers.
nooo no, you forgot you gotta then talk to a ghost to speak to spider, then go speak to eido, then speak to mithrax and then eido again all through the projector... the ghost is important here.
Crow and Fikrul relationship should've been explored more, it's a shame that they didn't and instead letting other characters lead the story. Tonic system and the fieldworks feels redundant and more about clearing a check mark.
The fieldworks could’ve been cool if they weren’t so stupid easy and quick. They’re one of the few activities in the games history that genuinely felt like a slap in the face and a complete filler waste of time. At least other things that come close of some sort of fun value or loot but not the fieldworks
Nah, that's 3 years from now when Crow's face explodes before finishing the conversation. Then 2 episeasons later you find a recording that just says the 3 words he didn't get out, which reveals things a trailer has already shown for the next seasisode.
Not to mention that the Major Fieldwork was missing voice lines in the first act and there's no way to replay the dialogue after they were supposedly fixed. You'd land in the patrol space, instance into a separate space to start the field work, kill 15 red bars then sit in silence after the quest completed.
Or like the complete disappointment in the “missions” where all you did was kill 15 enemies. Could’ve been ANYTHING else and been much better. I would’ve rather had a random objective like do a specific raid, dungeon, or seasonal thing in order to complete fieldworks
Fikrul really should've been Crow's to kill and not ours. Would've also made at least some kind of impact if during that version of Kell's Fall Crow actually participated somehow... like throwing a Tether at bosses and going back invis.
Bungie and sweating profusely over making us the main protag where unnecessary (fikrul) and using a random nearby character to off the villain of the week (saint and ikora vs Maya) go hand in hand atp
@@icarusrising2787 The latter one could've been not-bad if Maya actually got obliterated by those supers instead of just tanking them and going for a swim. She's made of vex milk - being torn to a few thousand pieces couldn't hurt her and those pieces just melting back into the river with her laughing would've been something to see. You know what - I think I'll just forget those episodes ended like they did and go with my headcanon so I recall less bad about the game later.
You're not enjoying the juxtaposition between "I get paid to promote this awful game" and "existential crisis video because this game is awful and my career is a lie"? Destiny fans are too smart to test einstines insanity quip. But here we are.
happy to hear I'm not alone with micromanaging tonics and artifacts. Half the time I drank one i didnt have the artifact mod active. After a while, I gave up.
The main issue is that even after interacting with the system, the game is not hard enough where these artifact bonus perks actually matter and the content that is hard has no meaningful loot to get (an issue for all of D2 for the most part)
With Bungie eventually changing the drop rates from tonic weapons they basically got their bluff called, players bounced and the proof was in the drop off in population numbers. I think Bungie really expected the activity to be similar to Into The Light days of people just living in Onslaught but failed to realize that was content people engaged with at a time when there was such a long drought AND the weapons were a lot better to warrant the time in the activity. If the weapons are just so-so, fine side grades, even if you have the agency of the weapon dropping in all activities, you probably aren't going to spend an absurd amount of time min/maxing the efficiency of your tonic popped especially when the drop rates were a lot worse. Even after the fixes, it still took me an incredibly long time to see any loot worth holding onto.
@thealldayspecial my vault is overflowing with guns I will never use that continue to be as good as everything being released outside of exotics and new frame types.
I try to keep my artifact up but a lot of builds aren’t dependent on stuff like that, it’s usually just a buff that makes the game a little more fun. I just about ignored tonics entirely lmao, was not worth it whatsoever
I have the title, 250 season levels, and only played the expert version of onslaught and never saw a single "shiny" revenant weapon. I wish you touched on ice breaker! It was my favorite weapon of the episode by far. Incredibly fun on behemoth.
Revenant, to me, screams 'missed opportunity' in a lot of ways. The final fight with Fikrul, even on hard mode, is insanely easy. Why show us Fikrul reviving the Mad Bomber and the Mindbender if they're not gonna show up in the final fight? Fikrul had one of the toughest boss fights as a Nightfall boss, why was his exotic mission fight so lame and easy? Why show us Fikrul reviving the Mad Bomber and the Mindbender if they're not gonna show up in the final fight? Why set up the stakes with Misraaks being possessed by Nezarec if we're just going to hand-wave the resolution by giving the Echo to Eramis? Why show us Skolas for one mission just for him to duck back out immediately? Why introduce the Revenant Plane for exactly one mission while giving it any real mechanical or narrative relevance? And-once again, like Echoes-why is the final stretch of the story just "Run this exact same exotic mission three-four times in a row"? Fikrul's fight should have been a veritable "boss rush" of the various Scorn Barons we fought in Forsaken, all of whom should have had something akin to the Revenant Baron mechanic of some sort of totem needing to be destroyed to prevent their revival, and Fikrul should have been finished off by Crow, not us. And Fikrul should also have been way more active in the fight, and with WAY more health, or at least scaled up health to match if you have a full fireteam. Revenant wasn't the worst "season" in D2, but it was far from the best. I can only hope they're setting up for Frontiers by having the Echo-bearers leaving the solar system.
The trailers always look good, but do not let them fool you like some if not most of the seasons have been. This time I will actually wait until act 2 to get as much information as possible from others to decide if I should buy the pass or not. I just can't trust the management anymore.
What was “looking good” in trailer. More hive. More taken. A dark dreadnought that’s just an activity that will leave & be vaulted. Sorry I saw nothing appealing.
Eramis was the first character in Destiny history I actively hated. She was a serviceable antagonist in Beyond Light, but ever since returning she has done nothing but stand in our way, and even while working with us she's disrespectful, sarcastic, and arrogant even though we've defeated her and have (in spite of all logic) offered our hand to work together since. I'm not saying she has to get all buddy buddy with us, but at least SOME level of respect would have made me like her a ton more. They have done this well with Caitl already! She was playfully antagonistic at first, but once we beat her champion in the rite of proving she immediately showed all guardians more respect, even though we were not working together yet. When Eramis left with the Echo I was happy, but only because I wouldn't have to listen to her complain 100% of the time in every single line of dialogue, and I wish I could have felt happy for what she actually achieved. But she did say Veriks was at "the expert at being unnarmed", so she gets ONE point.
I wanted to turn her into a gun but I guess only raid bosses get that level of honor. Can we stop making friends with the enemies of humanity (and her allies) and straight up kill them?
Eramis is the best written character in all of Destiny IMO, however, as opposed to people who complain about "plot holes" that are easily disproven with a little thought, or more likely completely misunderstanding her redemption arc because they don't pay attention, finding her annoyying isn't something I can debunk, as long as you acknowledge it's subjective. She did show us an element of respect during Spire of the Watcher, more than she did in Revenant. I would argue we haven't really earned her kindness, given we murderred all of her friends, burned her house, and then acted entitled and locked her up, but it would have been nice to see more interractions with her and Variks, since they were a major focus of beyond light and never reconciled.
She literally say how she’s gonna go far away to keep her and her dudes safe from humanity when the fallen as a species jumped earth because of their own theological issues with the traveler 😂
Counter point the fallen literally pushed humanity into bordering extinction, we killed her friends because she wanted to kill us and also was following the witnesses agenda. Her redemption arc is just bad
Vesper's Host was such a breath of fresh air. I don't know if any recent destiny content outside of the final shape has been as fun as this one dungeon.
I thought that WR was amazing and was worried it couldn’t be topped, with the multi floor boss and dynamic damage phases, along with such a fun theme. But VH really makes me feel like a faction guardian responding to a distress signal that starts off investigative but turns into this crazy security standoff death match with lightning strikes and a zombie of an old enemy. That’a just a crazy sentence but I freaking love it
They're fine when Eramis isn't involved, as soon as she is you end up with a shitload of narrative dissonance between how she is written and how Bungie uses her.
There's still a bridge missing between Enhanceable and Craftable weapons. I say let craftable weapons drop with patterns and stuff, but ALSO allow craftable weapons to be enhanceable from the go. If I get a god roll of a craftable weapon by chance, I shouldn't have to throw it away and wait for the patterns to then craft it. Let me enhance the roll I got, even if I don't have the pattern! If I got the roll, I got the roll, I shouldn't have to wait for the patterns. And if I DON'T get the roll, then, the patterns come into play. Simple.
The coil was one of my favorite seasonal activities. I think THAT would’ve been a good style of activity to introduce rng weapons to. Everything this season just felt kinda boring cause there was no real point in grinding any of the activities and they were all pretty mid
Took most of this episode off to have a break so I would not be completely burned out for the next one, and was perfectly satisfied experiencing it through your and Byf’s videos. Feel like I made the right choice, and I’m legitimately looking forward to Tuesday. We’ll see how I feel a month from now. lol
I took a break after echoes just became another season and was so bad… just came back this week, can confirm taking a nice break is really good, having fun again in DESTINY and excited for heresy
The only Season I dont have the title for is the Warmind Bunker public event season. This season was so uninteresting that I didn’t even bother finishing the storyline and also now don’t have a second seasonal title. Hoping Heresy is better but honestly the break away has been nice
Honestly, I kind of wish at this point that Bungie drastically reduced the amount of content they pumped out in a year and spent more time focusing on making that content better. The initial pitch for this season sounded pretty good, but failed pretty bad in execution for a lot of players. I think if the devs who actually care about this game had some extra time to anticipate some of the sore spots their experimentation would cause, work the bugs out, and make something genuinely interesting and fun, we might have had a better season. As it stands though, I'm really starting to feel like Destiny is a content factory where a bunch of exhausted and overworked devs are scrambling to throw together a few hours of content from a box of scraps before its sent out the door covered in duct tape and WD-40 so that the execs can buy another car. It's just sad.
Sadly the game is in such a poor state that if they let up on content they will lose the last remaining players still consistently playing. They’ve dug themselves quite the hole.
Best part of season, when you had to speak to Eido, then spoke to Holoprojector of Variks, then Eramis, then holoprojector of Eido, then Eido was back in the room and we talked to Variks again, then Eramis, then Eido again, and then you delete the game from your console.
This was the first d2 season where I hated everything about it The artifact was trash. Stasis is still mid, SMGs are mid, shotguns are mid. 75% of those perks were useless to me. Tonic system was horrible. I remember these potions wearing off in the middle of a GM boss fight and I was like, "welp, I'm not going into my menu to reapply this unless I want to wipe so I guess I'm not getting any loot" The story was horrible. I mean it wasn't bad, but when you take something that was obviously meant to be told week-to-week and cram it into 1 massive dump with barely any changes... gj. That's not even talking about the bugs and the mid seasonal events. This game has got to do better, or else we're gonna be talking about Bungie as a full Sony subsidiary very soon.
Eramis is basically the Abby from TLOU2 or Destiny. She is easily morally inferior to “our team” but the narrative treats her like she is in the right in everything and we SHOULD sympathize with her. And in the end of her story, she gets everything she wants and leaves, having no actual emotional change, while our team gains nothing but disappointment.
Okay no, we had her help cure mithraaks and stop fikrul we got exactly what we wanted from her and she got exactly what she wanted from us, I agree with everything else you said tho
Overall I didnt mind the Episode really. My biggest issue was the all at once releases because of, well pretty much the same reasons he said on the issue. I eventually fell off with Tonics more because I didnt want to always run Stasis builds and didnt really care that much about the weapons esecially without the passive grind for crafting patterns, but I do like the concept and wouldnt hate seeing it return in some way just better refined. Lets say, 6-6.5/10.
Dont forget: Heresy has the benefit of: 1) being the lead up to Frontiers. so it WILL be better than Echoes or Revenant just to hype people up for what's next 2) being teased since Season of the Witch. Unlike Maya and Fikrul, who came out of NOWHERE with no build-up just "Oh, so YOU have an echo now, huh? Cool, I guess..." 3) being probably the last *MEANINGFUL* Hive story 4) being part of the TFS Annual Pass that people (like me) FOMO'd into However, all of this will be gone after Heresy. I expect Frontiers wont even pull in as many people as Heresy does
If it isn't a major expansion or playable piece of content for the game Bungie does not cook with the Eliksni. I guess atleast this time there was an actual conclusion
I checked out of this season so hard that I forgot the fieldworks were a thing. The design for the episode felt like someone concepted it and scripted the story and progression beats, but almost nothing was actually designed for the week_to-week experience of driving us through those ideas. Just a very JV implementation of a concept that had some legs.
I don't think that there was anything especially bad about the episode besides the bugs and the reward loop. The bugs were clearly an issue with a lack of QA team. Some of the things that weren't bugs but felt bad like the number of ingredients from completing a mission would be caused by also not testing the reward systems. It's pretty clear to me that they had not done the math on the drop rates of these weapons. Even if these weapons were very good, which I can only say about the Bitter/Sweet and Liturgy, the chance of getting a 5/5 got roll was ridiculously rare due to having 7 perks in the 3rd and 4th column. There was about a 1/1715 chance to get the 5/5 Liturgy roll and a 1/2401 chance to get the 5/5 Bitter/Sweet roll. This is obviously way too low. You can argue that usually the 1st and 2nd column barrels and mags don't matter but as these were GLs they do matter and effect damage. Overall these systems felt really bad and it was clear that it wasn't tested.
There of course were more issues such as the Tonic system as a whole being a ton of Micromanaging however if you felt much stronger due to the tonics this would be less of an issue. The tonic system felt bad because it made so little difference between popping a tonic and not popping a tonic. The artifact overall was not very strong or memorable. I feel that this is partially due to stasis as a whole not being very good. We are at the point of the game where every strong build needs some sort of healing and stasis without any healing really doesn't cut it in harder activities.
they don’t matter that much. it’s only like a 2.5% damage buff for spikes and implosion rounds. it USED to matter but now i just prefer mini frags or extended drum because i get more in the mag with a backup mag on
Bittersweet was only really good for this season cause of the arc weapon damage against blind perk. After that, it’s just gonna be chill inhibitor all around. I personally didn’t like any of the weapons, even liturgy just felt like an excuse to try and like the season that just didn’t work out
@@roguedy Liturgy for now fills a role that no other weapon can do, a legendary kinetic slot envious arsenal weapon. Until we get another one, or get an option for the energy slot that isn't a fucking shotgun, it's pretty irreplaceable.
Dato uploaded a video. But before youw eatch it , talk to the holoprojector. Done ? Now talk to datto Done ? Now talk to the holoprohector again Done ? Now go and create 3 potions Done ? Datto has left another message at the holoprojector Done ? Now talk to datto again There you go , now you can grind the same boring and uninspired gun models that dont even have anything interesting going on.
This was a good season, but it could’ve been better. The biggest problem I have is the pacing in each act, and the lack of sense it makes. Heresy looks more planned out so i have high hopes for the next episode.
Yeah, honestly they should just go back to static rolls at this point because there are so many horrible perks you can roll. Crafting the god roll for a weapon that should just be it's static rolls to begin with is definitely better for vault space.
@@bobross8585 Static roll is way to far, instead what I have in mind for crafting is if you want a certain perk for that weapon you need to grind for one and then extract/unlock it for crafting so it doesn't really take it away the grind aspect, when a season/episode ends you can go to gunsmith to do some bounty/buy material to unlock whatever is left to be unlock.
Yeah, it’s funny how bungie reintroduces rng but doesn’t realize how atrocious the lack of vault space is. I’ve had to start deleting things I actually kind of liked to have but never really used cause they got power crept pretty badly
@evilgrin903 meh, the grind is not fun honestly. I don't see why people want to grind their life away for a roll on a gun that is going to be useful for a little while and then get power crept out. Just make every gun a static roll with perk options like an adept, then they will all have their uses and be more unique. Rather than being "Kinetic 140 Handcannon #5" that you will just have the same perks on as every other one.
Personally, I kinda love the fallen, I think they are super compelling as one of the most visible consequences of our journey, learning ANYTHING about the universe, having some empathy, and going on the Saint 14 journey of heartless slaughterer of their people to 'WOOPS! our bad' with them believably not at all trusting us. It was a lot of work, tensions were high, and we had to work to make up for our mistakes and understand the anger of the people we were trying to help. It was so cool not being the good guy, being wrong about something, and that being painfully for those who it hurt, and hard for us to fix. It made the world of destiny FEEL like destiny... And feel like a place we are IN and having a realistic impact on. I liked it a lot. From someone who did care about this stuff, I get not everyone had that connection, this episode actually exited me THE MOST, and I think it payed off. Also, vampire scorn is a cool and fun evolution of the enemy type from like a vibe and lore perspective, I hope that stays to me honest.
The season’s intro cutscene was unironically the best part like that shit had me SO hyped and hopeful only for it to be “hey Eramis is the main character now she gets it all despite complaining 80% of the time now play the exotic mission 4 times and talk to Eido then talk to her 5 feet away at the table lol”
Also I love Variks but he kind of did next to nothing other than just being there and narrating some scenes 😭 Skolas was a titanic fumble in my opinion just being put in an alternate Tomb that’s not advertised to the player in the slightest was a bad move
Also the deus ex machina for Nezarec really upset me. I was hoping for a full on conversion or a fight or choice we had to make. Some actual stakes, you know? Instead of just.. “here’s the OP ass echo that can immediately cure this thing that’s been built up for years since plunder”
@@OriginalSystem37 I thought for sure we were going to have Mithrax quarantine himself or merely suppress the curse further, leading eventually to a Nezarec expansion or season where we face him at full power in one of his ancient tombs. I guess not, now
It’s a shame because the topics and theming of these seasons are really fun but they have ZERO substance, unsatisfactory conclusions, and dry characters that don’t develop meaningfully. Why is Eido acting like a toddler? She’s young, not stupid. Why are pretending like Eramis is a good guy? It’s all so jarring.
@@SpaceElvisInc yeah no fucking shit you ingrate I said there wasn’t any adept weapons for the season weapons in revenant because there isn’t. Adept weapons are not available as seasonal weapons. In episode heresy which launches tomorrow those seasonal weapons will be available as adept weapons. There is special drops for this current seasons weapons but they aren’t adept they are simply masterworked and have multiple perks
I remember before Revenant talking to one of my friends about the races in D2, and they gave me a whole plotline where Fikrul turns a planet’s core into a Dark Ether factory and the Scorn start building their own civilization since they can just sort of do their own thing and build their population with the dead Eliksni that we leave behind, and the Vanguard sends the Guardians out to go on the offensive. I’m just saying, I would’ve rather had that plotline than the one we actually had.
0:45 DATTO caught slippin'!!!! the HELM actually went down on Europa and the wreckage was then taken to the last city, some little dialog or maybe a lore tab I read it
This episode is the first time I didn't complete a season pass because the normal seasonal armor was WAY better than the ornaments. I tried playing during the final week but I got bored very quick. This season really killed the game for me story wise. I HOPE Ep 3 is so much better than the last 2
I think the episode structure releasing all the continent once exposed how little is actually released week to week. It's something a lot of people have been griping about but not a lot of people wanted to listen to and I think it really brought to light that we don't do much other than talk to a kiosk
All this episode has made me want is a season where they really try to make a “drop all at once” story from the ground up to see how it feels when it’s actually made to be played that way. I also very much hope they get some more QA for the game as you mentioned as it’s very obvious that’s they’ve downgraded their QA to put it lightly.
i am also mind blown how the major and minor fieldwork system got put into the game, like, it is literally in the name, fieldwork, it just felt like doing boring chores for absolutely no reason
As someone who was so stoked to finally get an Eliksni themed season, I straight up didn’t play this game past act one up until last week. This was the season of “yup, that’s Destiny” and I just couldn’t bring myself to keep at the same millstone, especially since almost none of the loot even reflected the theme. It was all scorn stuff, and the only eliknsi things were the strange pirate/cowboy synthwave armor sets
Not making the episodic weapons craftable was the biggest thing for me this season. I thought we had a good system in place, but bungo loves to touch on things it doesn't need to and ignores the things that it NEEDS to touch on. And hearing that the Heresy weapons aren't going to be craftable again is really, REALLY bumming me out.
The problem is that not all players have that sentiment, some people want creating removed altogether. They're trying to balance everybody's feedback, instead of picking a lane and saying how they're going to run the game moving forward
Crafting is certainly not a perfect system, but Bungo just went in the complete opposite extreme, instead of players having way too much agency in their grind, now they have next to none. They needed to strike some middleground, where getting the rolls you want still takes some effort, and requires you to actually play the game, but it also needs to not take 50+ hours to achieve.
I do wish that Bungie had given us the choice on weather we choose to help Eido free Eramis or refuse in which case she attempts to do it behind our backs.
this view makes me see the episode as us getting bombarded with so many things to do and so many things to use and they're just all so mid, uninspiring, inoffensively meh
Bungie - “We heard you, you don’t like time gating. We’re going to give you everything at once.” Players - “You’re gonna make sure the experience is designed for a continuous play through right? I mean, we KNOW you can do it. We played The Final Shape.” Bungie - “We heard you.” Players - “Oh sh*t.”
We’re in episode 3 well about to be and not a single teaser trailer or anything for the next expansion. I have a feeling we’ll be in ep 3 for months and months while the next expansion gets delayed.
Crunching things together didn't help things, but if it'd been week to week I think it would have drug out too much. At this point it's obvious that 4 months is too long for an episode length Only thing I wish is that we'd had a badass boss fight with the corruption of nezerak. Even just a mildly reskined version of the raid boss scaled down for a 1-3 person firefight. The activities were fine but for me 80% of the loot wasn't worth grinding so I never got too into it. I don't care if we don't do crafted rolls, but they need to be interesting enough to chase This was the worst exotic mission (organ was cool but couldn't carry and there wasn't enough Dracula castle) the shotgun was cool but the catalysts were a joke barely 1 option was good and craftable exotics mean nothing if you don't have actual options
Story wise I think what should have happened at the end should have Eramis dying and redeeming herself a bit. For example: Eido goes to see the apothecary, gets captured by Skolas, Mithrax goes to save her despite tweaking, Eramis follows, we defeat skolas, Mithrax starts tweaking and attempts to kill eido, Eramis sacrifices herself to save eido, echo cleanses mithrax, mithrax becomes kell of kells, eido matures after blaming herself for eramis’s death
I would like an approach with onslaught where every ten rounds you can vote if you want to continue or not and the game fills the number of people missing
6:35 ghost of tsushimas free update “legends” had this exact problem. They had a 50 wave hoard mode and every 10 rounds there would be a boss wave. Ppl complained because it would legit take more than an hour sometimes even inching close to 2 hours on the hardest difficulty. So they shortened it drastically by making it 15 waves, and then there would be a boss wave every 3 rounds. Now it takes about 30 minutes. Bungie should rlly look into this and cut out those “in between” rounds where u just go to a whole different room for some other random objective. 50 waves was fun in into the light. Now it’s just rotting my brain.
10:49 On the topic of exotics, I only use alethonym in raids where it's nice to get free ammo for newer people who may not be running ammo finders and scouts, and also you can get loads of heavy from Caretaker in VotD. It works exactly the same way as Grand Overture used to, you just have to stand next to him and shoot the ammo up to the 1st floor
I'm glad they actually did have a sendoff for some plotlines. Fikrul's eternal resurrections were a longstanding plot, and obviously Eramis unthawing and becoming a more recurring character needed some resolution. I didn't like how the curse of Nezarec felt like it was really pulled out of thin air for this episode - maybe it was alluded to in earlier lore, but I don't recall it ever being something of note until this episode
The main issue with the whole weapon crafting debacle is the content vaulting. A simple solution would be: if content wont be accessible make it craftable or else make it farmable. That's it. (Maybe gunsmith engrams are an ok source if vaulted content are focusable as well)
I did this entire episode this week. It’s hilarious how short the actual story is. Go to the last city to talk to Eido next step move two feet to the right and talk to Eido on the radio 😂
NO LITERALLY like there's no reason the characters YAPPING at you should have more screen time than the actual gameplay.
@ for real
Not that it's any excuse, but it's clear how things would have been paced out if the story had been dolled out weekly. Breaking things up with Eido's fieldwork and runs of onslaught or tomb.
Just shows what happens when time gates are (mostly) removed.
To be fair it usually would have been spaced out over multiple weeks, so you wouldn't just be going back and forth over and over. They also used to make you run the seasonal activity between dialogue segments, but the entire community complained about that and called it bloat. I agree though that we should really just have dialogue more intertwined into gameplay, and I'm hoping that's what they'll be moving towards with Heresy and Frontiers.
nooo no, you forgot you gotta then talk to a ghost to speak to spider, then go speak to eido, then speak to mithrax and then eido again all through the projector... the ghost is important here.
Crow and Fikrul relationship should've been explored more, it's a shame that they didn't and instead letting other characters lead the story. Tonic system and the fieldworks feels redundant and more about clearing a check mark.
That requires good writers
The fieldworks could’ve been cool if they weren’t so stupid easy and quick. They’re one of the few activities in the games history that genuinely felt like a slap in the face and a complete filler waste of time. At least other things that come close of some sort of fun value or loot but not the fieldworks
The fieldwork had no real rewards. The last batch I didn’t even bother with because there isn’t a point.
@@riddleoffeels4518besides the sick ghost shell there was no reward
Nah, that's 3 years from now when Crow's face explodes before finishing the conversation. Then 2 episeasons later you find a recording that just says the 3 words he didn't get out, which reveals things a trailer has already shown for the next seasisode.
Not to mention that the Major Fieldwork was missing voice lines in the first act and there's no way to replay the dialogue after they were supposedly fixed.
You'd land in the patrol space, instance into a separate space to start the field work, kill 15 red bars then sit in silence after the quest completed.
Or like the complete disappointment in the “missions” where all you did was kill 15 enemies. Could’ve been ANYTHING else and been much better. I would’ve rather had a random objective like do a specific raid, dungeon, or seasonal thing in order to complete fieldworks
Fikrul really should've been Crow's to kill and not ours. Would've also made at least some kind of impact if during that version of Kell's Fall Crow actually participated somehow... like throwing a Tether at bosses and going back invis.
Bungie and sweating profusely over making us the main protag where unnecessary (fikrul) and using a random nearby character to off the villain of the week (saint and ikora vs Maya) go hand in hand atp
@@icarusrising2787 The latter one could've been not-bad if Maya actually got obliterated by those supers instead of just tanking them and going for a swim.
She's made of vex milk - being torn to a few thousand pieces couldn't hurt her and those pieces just melting back into the river with her laughing would've been something to see.
You know what - I think I'll just forget those episodes ended like they did and go with my headcanon so I recall less bad about the game later.
I was about 20 minutes away from having my own opinion on something...that was a close one datto
😭😭😭😭
So glad our boy came through and told us what to think about the season
You're not enjoying the juxtaposition between "I get paid to promote this awful game" and "existential crisis video because this game is awful and my career is a lie"?
Destiny fans are too smart to test einstines insanity quip. But here we are.
@@YeahRightMCD”Jesse, wtf are you talking about”
@@YeahRightMCDwho tf is intestines
Major fieldworks were so bad I couldn't even be mad. Just made me laugh it was so mind-blowingly dull
It took more time to load into Europa and drive to the mission marker than it took to actually complete the mission
Literally didn't rank up past guardian rank seven because of them
happy to hear I'm not alone with micromanaging tonics and artifacts. Half the time I drank one i didnt have the artifact mod active. After a while, I gave up.
The main issue is that even after interacting with the system, the game is not hard enough where these artifact bonus perks actually matter and the content that is hard has no meaningful loot to get (an issue for all of D2 for the most part)
This was all of us
With Bungie eventually changing the drop rates from tonic weapons they basically got their bluff called, players bounced and the proof was in the drop off in population numbers. I think Bungie really expected the activity to be similar to Into The Light days of people just living in Onslaught but failed to realize that was content people engaged with at a time when there was such a long drought AND the weapons were a lot better to warrant the time in the activity.
If the weapons are just so-so, fine side grades, even if you have the agency of the weapon dropping in all activities, you probably aren't going to spend an absurd amount of time min/maxing the efficiency of your tonic popped especially when the drop rates were a lot worse. Even after the fixes, it still took me an incredibly long time to see any loot worth holding onto.
@thealldayspecial my vault is overflowing with guns I will never use that continue to be as good as everything being released outside of exotics and new frame types.
I try to keep my artifact up but a lot of builds aren’t dependent on stuff like that, it’s usually just a buff that makes the game a little more fun. I just about ignored tonics entirely lmao, was not worth it whatsoever
“I don’t know what was going on with this whole system… but LITERALLY never do this again” 😂🤣😭💀
i love that i can sum up this season as "Fikrul confronts his daddy issues, and Miisraax has a schizophrenic episode"
Episodes as described by Dracula Flow...
Eramis proves that she is a b*tch for the 7th time and finally deports herself out of Sol.
"Evil genocidal space lesbian handsomely rewarded despite repeated failures"
I have the title, 250 season levels, and only played the expert version of onslaught and never saw a single "shiny" revenant weapon.
I wish you touched on ice breaker! It was my favorite weapon of the episode by far. Incredibly fun on behemoth.
I did get the exavue with double rolls once but that was it. And I prestiged eido 42 times.
I got 2 but that’s it after playing since launch. For into the light I was getting shiny and double drops like candy. The drop rates seem way worse.
Revenant, to me, screams 'missed opportunity' in a lot of ways.
The final fight with Fikrul, even on hard mode, is insanely easy. Why show us Fikrul reviving the Mad Bomber and the Mindbender if they're not gonna show up in the final fight?
Fikrul had one of the toughest boss fights as a Nightfall boss, why was his exotic mission fight so lame and easy? Why show us Fikrul reviving the Mad Bomber and the Mindbender if they're not gonna show up in the final fight?
Why set up the stakes with Misraaks being possessed by Nezarec if we're just going to hand-wave the resolution by giving the Echo to Eramis?
Why show us Skolas for one mission just for him to duck back out immediately?
Why introduce the Revenant Plane for exactly one mission while giving it any real mechanical or narrative relevance?
And-once again, like Echoes-why is the final stretch of the story just "Run this exact same exotic mission three-four times in a row"?
Fikrul's fight should have been a veritable "boss rush" of the various Scorn Barons we fought in Forsaken, all of whom should have had something akin to the Revenant Baron mechanic of some sort of totem needing to be destroyed to prevent their revival, and Fikrul should have been finished off by Crow, not us. And Fikrul should also have been way more active in the fight, and with WAY more health, or at least scaled up health to match if you have a full fireteam.
Revenant wasn't the worst "season" in D2, but it was far from the best. I can only hope they're setting up for Frontiers by having the Echo-bearers leaving the solar system.
Ah but you forget, if you wanted to craft the tonics, you would’ve had to run the exotic mission at least 20 times in a row
@@roguedy I got by with only running it 7 or 8 times I think.
Which is still WAY more than one should be running an exotic mission, imo.
shout out to Bungie/Sony for firing staff at arguably the worst time in franchise history.
If I would put this season into one word it would be "uninspired".
Slayer Baron title and the new shotgun were the best parts of Episode Revenant. New trailer looks great for Heresy
Trailers shouldn't be taken with even the slightest grains of salt
@@digitizedmemories yea, but if they look good, you can say it does, which he did lol
The trailers always look good, but do not let them fool you like some if not most of the seasons have been. This time I will actually wait until act 2 to get as much information as possible from others to decide if I should buy the pass or not. I just can't trust the management anymore.
What was “looking good” in trailer. More hive. More taken. A dark dreadnought that’s just an activity that will leave & be vaulted. Sorry I saw nothing appealing.
trailers are designed to look good. it will be more of the exact same.
Eramis was the first character in Destiny history I actively hated. She was a serviceable antagonist in Beyond Light, but ever since returning she has done nothing but stand in our way, and even while working with us she's disrespectful, sarcastic, and arrogant even though we've defeated her and have (in spite of all logic) offered our hand to work together since. I'm not saying she has to get all buddy buddy with us, but at least SOME level of respect would have made me like her a ton more. They have done this well with Caitl already! She was playfully antagonistic at first, but once we beat her champion in the rite of proving she immediately showed all guardians more respect, even though we were not working together yet. When Eramis left with the Echo I was happy, but only because I wouldn't have to listen to her complain 100% of the time in every single line of dialogue, and I wish I could have felt happy for what she actually achieved.
But she did say Veriks was at "the expert at being unnarmed", so she gets ONE point.
I wanted to turn her into a gun but I guess only raid bosses get that level of honor. Can we stop making friends with the enemies of humanity (and her allies) and straight up kill them?
Eramis is the best written character in all of Destiny IMO, however, as opposed to people who complain about "plot holes" that are easily disproven with a little thought, or more likely completely misunderstanding her redemption arc because they don't pay attention, finding her annoyying isn't something I can debunk, as long as you acknowledge it's subjective. She did show us an element of respect during Spire of the Watcher, more than she did in Revenant. I would argue we haven't really earned her kindness, given we murderred all of her friends, burned her house, and then acted entitled and locked her up, but it would have been nice to see more interractions with her and Variks, since they were a major focus of beyond light and never reconciled.
She literally say how she’s gonna go far away to keep her and her dudes safe from humanity when the fallen as a species jumped earth because of their own theological issues with the traveler 😂
Counter point the fallen literally pushed humanity into bordering extinction, we killed her friends because she wanted to kill us and also was following the witnesses agenda. Her redemption arc is just bad
I think they laid off the writers that were first-party to the Caital season, and these guys were trying (in vain) to replicate it.
I can’t believe this was LeBron James Legacy 😢
What are you talking about? That has nothing to do with destiny 2?
@@twistedgaleone of the previous video on this channel made that joke in the title
@@twistedgaleclearly you don’t own an air fryer
@@twistedgaleI believe there's a LeBron joke with datto himself
Luka to carry it on though
My favorite part of the episode was talking to a traffic cone
Vesper's Host was such a breath of fresh air. I don't know if any recent destiny content outside of the final shape has been as fun as this one dungeon.
the dungeons and raids are the only part of destiny that have upheld a good standard
I thought that WR was amazing and was worried it couldn’t be topped, with the multi floor boss and dynamic damage phases, along with such a fun theme. But VH really makes me feel like a faction guardian responding to a distress signal that starts off investigative but turns into this crazy security standoff death match with lightning strikes and a zombie of an old enemy. That’a just a crazy sentence but I freaking love it
I always feel like the Eliksni stories tend to miss the mark.
Last good fallen story was HoW ong
@@Sohelanthropussplicer was pretty good
Splicer was good
They're fine when Eramis isn't involved, as soon as she is you end up with a shitload of narrative dissonance between how she is written and how Bungie uses her.
@@largestbigman5267 the whole vex network didn't fit with the destiny thematic at all and quria being hyped up just for her to die like that was trash
The glimmer and enhancement core tonics are what the ghost mods should’ve been
There's still a bridge missing between Enhanceable and Craftable weapons. I say let craftable weapons drop with patterns and stuff, but ALSO allow craftable weapons to be enhanceable from the go. If I get a god roll of a craftable weapon by chance, I shouldn't have to throw it away and wait for the patterns to then craft it. Let me enhance the roll I got, even if I don't have the pattern! If I got the roll, I got the roll, I shouldn't have to wait for the patterns. And if I DON'T get the roll, then, the patterns come into play. Simple.
I miss the coil.
The coil was one of my favorite seasonal activities. I think THAT would’ve been a good style of activity to introduce rng weapons to. Everything this season just felt kinda boring cause there was no real point in grinding any of the activities and they were all pretty mid
@@roguedy Agreed. I love activities that make you think more about build-crafting to take advantage of special modifiers.
One of the episodes of all time if I must say.
"Explain Episode: Revenant, but be as short as you can"
Took most of this episode off to have a break so I would not be completely burned out for the next one, and was perfectly satisfied experiencing it through your and Byf’s videos. Feel like I made the right choice, and I’m legitimately looking forward to Tuesday. We’ll see how I feel a month from now. lol
I took a break after echoes just became another season and was so bad… just came back this week, can confirm taking a nice break is really good, having fun again in DESTINY and excited for heresy
The only Season I dont have the title for is the Warmind Bunker public event season. This season was so uninteresting that I didn’t even bother finishing the storyline and also now don’t have a second seasonal title. Hoping Heresy is better but honestly the break away has been nice
I mean. You have until frontiers launches to get the title anyways.
Honestly, I kind of wish at this point that Bungie drastically reduced the amount of content they pumped out in a year and spent more time focusing on making that content better. The initial pitch for this season sounded pretty good, but failed pretty bad in execution for a lot of players. I think if the devs who actually care about this game had some extra time to anticipate some of the sore spots their experimentation would cause, work the bugs out, and make something genuinely interesting and fun, we might have had a better season.
As it stands though, I'm really starting to feel like Destiny is a content factory where a bunch of exhausted and overworked devs are scrambling to throw together a few hours of content from a box of scraps before its sent out the door covered in duct tape and WD-40 so that the execs can buy another car.
It's just sad.
Sadly the game is in such a poor state that if they let up on content they will lose the last remaining players still consistently playing. They’ve dug themselves quite the hole.
Best part of season, when you had to speak to Eido, then spoke to Holoprojector of Variks, then Eramis, then holoprojector of Eido, then Eido was back in the room and we talked to Variks again, then Eramis, then Eido again, and then you delete the game from your console.
completely agree with the 30 wave Onslaught preference. There is a triumph to complete 40 onslaughts. That's 40+ hours of onslaught......
eramis getting the echo and then LEAVING WITH IT is so mid
Ugh, artifact in loadouts would be absolutely HUGE QoL change.
This was the first d2 season where I hated everything about it
The artifact was trash. Stasis is still mid, SMGs are mid, shotguns are mid. 75% of those perks were useless to me.
Tonic system was horrible. I remember these potions wearing off in the middle of a GM boss fight and I was like, "welp, I'm not going into my menu to reapply this unless I want to wipe so I guess I'm not getting any loot"
The story was horrible. I mean it wasn't bad, but when you take something that was obviously meant to be told week-to-week and cram it into 1 massive dump with barely any changes... gj.
That's not even talking about the bugs and the mid seasonal events. This game has got to do better, or else we're gonna be talking about Bungie as a full Sony subsidiary very soon.
Still don't like how Eramis was the one who ended up getting the echo 😅
Thank you for my opinion on the Episode Datto
There's a bug where the mirror doesn't open again to start another damage phase against fikrul. So now it has to be done in one phase
Thank you for the plot summary. It all flew by so fast i actually forgot what happened
Can you talk about how Luka being traded will affect LeBron’s legacy?
Eramis is basically the Abby from TLOU2 or Destiny. She is easily morally inferior to “our team” but the narrative treats her like she is in the right in everything and we SHOULD sympathize with her. And in the end of her story, she gets everything she wants and leaves, having no actual emotional change, while our team gains nothing but disappointment.
In a lore tab earlier, it said she left to find her family. I was completely fine with her just dipping from the story after that.
@@Ghost_Toast5000what family other than athrys? she never talks about anyone else but him
@@cwj2733 Eramis has a wife and children that she hasn't seen or heard from since the Whirlwind.
Okay no, we had her help cure mithraaks and stop fikrul we got exactly what we wanted from her and she got exactly what she wanted from us, I agree with everything else you said tho
@@eduardoortiz3909 They made the aliens gay?
I liked to believe that this whole episode Mithrax was just having a huge schizo moment with his random fits of unhinged rage
Overall I didnt mind the Episode really. My biggest issue was the all at once releases because of, well pretty much the same reasons he said on the issue. I eventually fell off with Tonics more because I didnt want to always run Stasis builds and didnt really care that much about the weapons esecially without the passive grind for crafting patterns, but I do like the concept and wouldnt hate seeing it return in some way just better refined.
Lets say, 6-6.5/10.
Dont forget: Heresy has the benefit of:
1) being the lead up to Frontiers. so it WILL be better than Echoes or Revenant just to hype people up for what's next
2) being teased since Season of the Witch. Unlike Maya and Fikrul, who came out of NOWHERE with no build-up just "Oh, so YOU have an echo now, huh? Cool, I guess..."
3) being probably the last *MEANINGFUL* Hive story
4) being part of the TFS Annual Pass that people (like me) FOMO'd into
However, all of this will be gone after Heresy. I expect Frontiers wont even pull in as many people as Heresy does
If it isn't a major expansion or playable piece of content for the game Bungie does not cook with the Eliksni. I guess atleast this time there was an actual conclusion
Can't wait for the inevitable "now that the dust has settled" post on the destiny 2 subreddit related to revenant to arrive
I checked out of this season so hard that I forgot the fieldworks were a thing.
The design for the episode felt like someone concepted it and scripted the story and progression beats, but almost nothing was actually designed for the week_to-week experience of driving us through those ideas. Just a very JV implementation of a concept that had some legs.
I don't think that there was anything especially bad about the episode besides the bugs and the reward loop. The bugs were clearly an issue with a lack of QA team. Some of the things that weren't bugs but felt bad like the number of ingredients from completing a mission would be caused by also not testing the reward systems. It's pretty clear to me that they had not done the math on the drop rates of these weapons. Even if these weapons were very good, which I can only say about the Bitter/Sweet and Liturgy, the chance of getting a 5/5 got roll was ridiculously rare due to having 7 perks in the 3rd and 4th column. There was about a 1/1715 chance to get the 5/5 Liturgy roll and a 1/2401 chance to get the 5/5 Bitter/Sweet roll. This is obviously way too low. You can argue that usually the 1st and 2nd column barrels and mags don't matter but as these were GLs they do matter and effect damage. Overall these systems felt really bad and it was clear that it wasn't tested.
There of course were more issues such as the Tonic system as a whole being a ton of Micromanaging however if you felt much stronger due to the tonics this would be less of an issue. The tonic system felt bad because it made so little difference between popping a tonic and not popping a tonic. The artifact overall was not very strong or memorable. I feel that this is partially due to stasis as a whole not being very good. We are at the point of the game where every strong build needs some sort of healing and stasis without any healing really doesn't cut it in harder activities.
they don’t matter that much. it’s only like a 2.5% damage buff for spikes and implosion rounds. it USED to matter but now i just prefer mini frags or extended drum because i get more in the mag with a backup mag on
Bittersweet was only really good for this season cause of the arc weapon damage against blind perk. After that, it’s just gonna be chill inhibitor all around. I personally didn’t like any of the weapons, even liturgy just felt like an excuse to try and like the season that just didn’t work out
@@roguedy Liturgy for now fills a role that no other weapon can do, a legendary kinetic slot envious arsenal weapon. Until we get another one, or get an option for the energy slot that isn't a fucking shotgun, it's pretty irreplaceable.
Heavy on the major fieldwork when I did it for the first time I was shocked how is this the same game as salvations edge
Weight gate is still going
Dato uploaded a video.
But before youw eatch it , talk to the holoprojector.
Done ?
Now talk to datto
Done ?
Now talk to the holoprohector again
Done ?
Now go and create 3 potions
Done ?
Datto has left another message at the holoprojector
Done ?
Now talk to datto again
There you go , now you can grind the same boring and uninspired gun models that dont even have anything interesting going on.
Finally, my opinion on Revenant has arrived
This was a good season, but it could’ve been better. The biggest problem I have is the pacing in each act, and the lack of sense it makes. Heresy looks more planned out so i have high hopes for the next episode.
Personally, no crafting has significantly bloated my vault.
Yeah, honestly they should just go back to static rolls at this point because there are so many horrible perks you can roll. Crafting the god roll for a weapon that should just be it's static rolls to begin with is definitely better for vault space.
@@bobross8585 Static roll is way to far, instead what I have in mind for crafting is if you want a certain perk for that weapon you need to grind for one and then extract/unlock it for crafting so it doesn't really take it away the grind aspect, when a season/episode ends you can go to gunsmith to do some bounty/buy material to unlock whatever is left to be unlock.
Yeah, it’s funny how bungie reintroduces rng but doesn’t realize how atrocious the lack of vault space is. I’ve had to start deleting things I actually kind of liked to have but never really used cause they got power crept pretty badly
@evilgrin903 meh, the grind is not fun honestly. I don't see why people want to grind their life away for a roll on a gun that is going to be useful for a little while and then get power crept out. Just make every gun a static roll with perk options like an adept, then they will all have their uses and be more unique. Rather than being "Kinetic 140 Handcannon #5" that you will just have the same perks on as every other one.
Personally, I kinda love the fallen, I think they are super compelling as one of the most visible consequences of our journey, learning ANYTHING about the universe, having some empathy, and going on the Saint 14 journey of heartless slaughterer of their people to 'WOOPS! our bad' with them believably not at all trusting us. It was a lot of work, tensions were high, and we had to work to make up for our mistakes and understand the anger of the people we were trying to help. It was so cool not being the good guy, being wrong about something, and that being painfully for those who it hurt, and hard for us to fix. It made the world of destiny FEEL like destiny... And feel like a place we are IN and having a realistic impact on. I liked it a lot. From someone who did care about this stuff, I get not everyone had that connection, this episode actually exited me THE MOST, and I think it payed off. Also, vampire scorn is a cool and fun evolution of the enemy type from like a vibe and lore perspective, I hope that stays to me honest.
The season’s intro cutscene was unironically the best part like that shit had me SO hyped and hopeful only for it to be “hey Eramis is the main character now she gets it all despite complaining 80% of the time now play the exotic mission 4 times and talk to Eido then talk to her 5 feet away at the table lol”
Also I love Variks but he kind of did next to nothing other than just being there and narrating some scenes 😭
Skolas was a titanic fumble in my opinion just being put in an alternate Tomb that’s not advertised to the player in the slightest was a bad move
Also the deus ex machina for Nezarec really upset me. I was hoping for a full on conversion or a fight or choice we had to make. Some actual stakes, you know? Instead of just.. “here’s the OP ass echo that can immediately cure this thing that’s been built up for years since plunder”
@@OriginalSystem37 I thought for sure we were going to have Mithrax quarantine himself or merely suppress the curse further, leading eventually to a Nezarec expansion or season where we face him at full power in one of his ancient tombs. I guess not, now
It’s a shame because the topics and theming of these seasons are really fun but they have ZERO substance, unsatisfactory conclusions, and dry characters that don’t develop meaningfully. Why is Eido acting like a toddler? She’s young, not stupid. Why are pretending like Eramis is a good guy? It’s all so jarring.
I didn't even know there was adept seasonal weapons
There isn’t yet, only in heresy.
@zonecrimzon1222 he literally said there were special drops this season
@@SpaceElvisInc yeah no fucking shit you ingrate I said there wasn’t any adept weapons for the season weapons in revenant because there isn’t. Adept weapons are not available as seasonal weapons. In episode heresy which launches tomorrow those seasonal weapons will be available as adept weapons. There is special drops for this current seasons weapons but they aren’t adept they are simply masterworked and have multiple perks
he didnt say there are adept, He said the next "shiny" weapons will be adept.
@hragb3839 if I can't call them adpet, you can't call them shiny since they look like the rest of them, the into the light weapons were actually shiny
I remember before Revenant talking to one of my friends about the races in D2, and they gave me a whole plotline where Fikrul turns a planet’s core into a Dark Ether factory and the Scorn start building their own civilization since they can just sort of do their own thing and build their population with the dead Eliksni that we leave behind, and the Vanguard sends the Guardians out to go on the offensive.
I’m just saying, I would’ve rather had that plotline than the one we actually had.
0:45 DATTO caught slippin'!!!! the HELM actually went down on Europa and the wreckage was then taken to the last city, some little dialog or maybe a lore tab I read it
This episode is the first time I didn't complete a season pass because the normal seasonal armor was WAY better than the ornaments. I tried playing during the final week but I got bored very quick. This season really killed the game for me story wise. I HOPE Ep 3 is so much better than the last 2
I think the episode structure releasing all the continent once exposed how little is actually released week to week. It's something a lot of people have been griping about but not a lot of people wanted to listen to and I think it really brought to light that we don't do much other than talk to a kiosk
All this episode has made me want is a season where they really try to make a “drop all at once” story from the ground up to see how it feels when it’s actually made to be played that way. I also very much hope they get some more QA for the game as you mentioned as it’s very obvious that’s they’ve downgraded their QA to put it lightly.
I just want to give Datto a hug, thanks for being our bungie voice! The community owes so much to you even if they don't show it.
good to know i didnt miss anything worth playing
i am also mind blown how the major and minor fieldwork system got put into the game, like, it is literally in the name, fieldwork, it just felt like doing boring chores for absolutely no reason
Don’t forget Shadowshot was disabled in Vespers Host for like three months
They've made that encounter such a slog now that id be fine with it being disabled permanently if it meant getting the old encounter back
"Not bugged, just stupid." Perfect.
For onslaught I’d love a 3rd option with shorter phases between bosses, or a full on boss rush mode.
As someone who was so stoked to finally get an Eliksni themed season, I straight up didn’t play this game past act one up until last week. This was the season of “yup, that’s Destiny” and I just couldn’t bring myself to keep at the same millstone, especially since almost none of the loot even reflected the theme. It was all scorn stuff, and the only eliknsi things were the strange pirate/cowboy synthwave armor sets
15:11 that "never do this again" can be applied to like 90% of this Episode
I don't know how people can still enjoy Destiny for it's story. I literally fall asleep whenever I need to talk with a few npcs
i didnt even do the major fieldwork.
Not making the episodic weapons craftable was the biggest thing for me this season. I thought we had a good system in place, but bungo loves to touch on things it doesn't need to and ignores the things that it NEEDS to touch on. And hearing that the Heresy weapons aren't going to be craftable again is really, REALLY bumming me out.
The problem is that not all players have that sentiment, some people want creating removed altogether. They're trying to balance everybody's feedback, instead of picking a lane and saying how they're going to run the game moving forward
The problem is the lane bungo picked. Recently, they've been picking the bad lanes
Crafting is certainly not a perfect system, but Bungo just went in the complete opposite extreme, instead of players having way too much agency in their grind, now they have next to none. They needed to strike some middleground, where getting the rolls you want still takes some effort, and requires you to actually play the game, but it also needs to not take 50+ hours to achieve.
"We promise not to overdeliver" they were really factaul
Bungie:Thoughts on the season?
Me: Gone Fishin
I gotta admit, as someone who's grandpa is dying of Alzheimer's Misraaks hit a bit close to home
Event desperatly need a refresher in my humble opinion.
The revenant trailer was better than the trailer we got now for heresy
Teather being disabled for 3/4 of the season in the seasonal dungeon is the most Bungie experience ever
I do wish that Bungie had given us the choice on weather we choose to help Eido free Eramis or refuse in which case she attempts to do it behind our backs.
this view makes me see the episode as us getting bombarded with so many things to do and so many things to use and they're just all so mid, uninspiring, inoffensively meh
Truly an episode of all time
Bungie - “We heard you, you don’t like time gating. We’re going to give you everything at once.”
Players - “You’re gonna make sure the experience is designed for a continuous play through right? I mean, we KNOW you can do it. We played The Final Shape.”
Bungie - “We heard you.”
Players - “Oh sh*t.”
We’re in episode 3 well about to be and not a single teaser trailer or anything for the next expansion. I have a feeling we’ll be in ep 3 for months and months while the next expansion gets delayed.
clicking 100% because of the thumbnail lmao. Good job Datto
Should've been a holo-email.
Crunching things together didn't help things, but if it'd been week to week I think it would have drug out too much. At this point it's obvious that 4 months is too long for an episode length
Only thing I wish is that we'd had a badass boss fight with the corruption of nezerak. Even just a mildly reskined version of the raid boss scaled down for a 1-3 person firefight.
The activities were fine but for me 80% of the loot wasn't worth grinding so I never got too into it. I don't care if we don't do crafted rolls, but they need to be interesting enough to chase
This was the worst exotic mission (organ was cool but couldn't carry and there wasn't enough Dracula castle) the shotgun was cool but the catalysts were a joke barely 1 option was good and craftable exotics mean nothing if you don't have actual options
Story wise I think what should have happened at the end should have Eramis dying and redeeming herself a bit. For example:
Eido goes to see the apothecary, gets captured by Skolas, Mithrax goes to save her despite tweaking, Eramis follows, we defeat skolas, Mithrax starts tweaking and attempts to kill eido, Eramis sacrifices herself to save eido, echo cleanses mithrax, mithrax becomes kell of kells, eido matures after blaming herself for eramis’s death
I would like an approach with onslaught where every ten rounds you can vote if you want to continue or not and the game fills the number of people missing
Very happy about how they did Eramis and her redemption over time. It was a nice conclusion
Well...at least this episode wasn't just a love story between two bros.
6:35 ghost of tsushimas free update “legends” had this exact problem. They had a 50 wave hoard mode and every 10 rounds there would be a boss wave. Ppl complained because it would legit take more than an hour sometimes even inching close to 2 hours on the hardest difficulty. So they shortened it drastically by making it 15 waves, and then there would be a boss wave every 3 rounds. Now it takes about 30 minutes. Bungie should rlly look into this and cut out those “in between” rounds where u just go to a whole different room for some other random objective. 50 waves was fun in into the light. Now it’s just rotting my brain.
I think each episode has gotten better hopefully the final one will be the best and a good launch into the new release model
Ahhh the episode that made me finally give up
I called my happening guy about the next season and he hung up on me. I'm truly convinced that Destiny is now forever damned to be a nothing burger
Not that i wanted misraks to die, rather i just wanted more plot progression lol.
God im so ready for heresy tho
The reaction of a friend of mine: "That's it?"
10:49 On the topic of exotics, I only use alethonym in raids where it's nice to get free ammo for newer people who may not be running ammo finders and scouts, and also you can get loads of heavy from Caretaker in VotD. It works exactly the same way as Grand Overture used to, you just have to stand next to him and shoot the ammo up to the 1st floor
Revenant was like the pedro pascal meme “this is good, but it could be better”
Thank you for the story summary. I still don't care, but at least I know the story beats that happened that I skipped.
Sweet.. my opinion on the season that I didn’t play has arrived. Thanks Datto
I'm glad they actually did have a sendoff for some plotlines. Fikrul's eternal resurrections were a longstanding plot, and obviously Eramis unthawing and becoming a more recurring character needed some resolution. I didn't like how the curse of Nezarec felt like it was really pulled out of thin air for this episode - maybe it was alluded to in earlier lore, but I don't recall it ever being something of note until this episode
The main issue with the whole weapon crafting debacle is the content vaulting. A simple solution would be: if content wont be accessible make it craftable or else make it farmable. That's it. (Maybe gunsmith engrams are an ok source if vaulted content are focusable as well)