As a therapist, I saw something different… 🤨 The Idol finale reaction 1x5
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- Опубліковано 27 чер 2024
- Therapist Dr. Courtney reacts to HBO's The Idol 1X5: Jocelyn Forever. While planning a showcase for her next tour, Jocelyn begins to take control of her relationship with Tedros.
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00:00 - 00:22 - Intro and Content warning
00:22 - 01:59 - 'Tough Love'
01:59 - 03:50 - Manipulation and control
03:50 - 05:11 - What does Jocelyn care about?
05:11 - 06:21 - The aggressive brushing
06:21 - 08:11 - Using people as pawns
08:11 - 09:12 - Andrew's definition of sane
09:12 - 11:17 - How the music industry treats people
11:17 - 12:20 - Black and white thinking
12:20 - 14:16 - Nikki and Tedros talk
14:16 - 16:33 - Culture of dehumanization
16:33 - 17:08 - Jocelyn prays to whom?
17:08 - 19:20 - Pain is purpose
19:20 - 20:19 - Jocelyn got what she wanted...right?
20:19 - 22:23 - Leia and Dyanne's fate
22:23 - 23:16 - The hairbrush comes back
23:16 - 24:51 - Tedros comes back
24:51 - 25:54 - The new brush, a new era
25:54 - 27:55 - My interpretation of the hairbrush scene
27:55 - 29:35 - Final thoughts
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This was certainly an interesting show. 🙃 Overall, despite the show's many faults, I hope you were able to gain some insight into these characters, yourself, and maybe even the world around you. ❤
I am eager to hear your interpretations of the ending, the story arc, and the message of The Idol as a whole. The next series we will be reacting to is season 2 of Hulu's The Bear! Go watch season 1 if you haven't already. ☺
Thank you for watching, and as always, I am SO glad you exist.
Your breakdown of these episodes has definitely been the most interesting thing about this show!
I loved your coverage of this show. Could you possibly cover Yellowjackets??
@@svizac69 damn are you one of those people that think this show is good?? with the way you're so blatantly sexist it seems like you agree with what these writers and producers think. You can have an opinion without making allegations towards the "ultimate goal" of a woman providing her own PROFESSIONAL opinions, thoughts and insights.
1) It makes no sense for Joss to have made up the whole abuse story. Leia and Troye Sivan's character knew that it happened and even tortured Troye's character because he didn't say anything about the abuse. Even the manager in the beginning of the series said that his mother was different to hers because his mother liked him, therefore alluding to her mother not having a "good name" (where did you even get that idea from??) that could be destroyed.
2) abuse can lead into kinks. not all the time tho but it can happen. As Dr Courtney Tracy has stated in previous videos as well as this one, abuse or a person's upbringing or cicumtances that have happened can influence how they behave, this behaviour can represent itself sexually too. To call Tedros a dom is a gross representation of the word. From what we could see from the show, he manipulated Joss into telling him one of her traumas and used that to his advantage, or at least what he thought would be advantageous to him at the time. From what I understand, a dom likes to be in control yes but also so that the other person who is usually a sub will feel pleasure from it. Tedros only was looking out for himself and used a vulnerable woman to prey on. there are much more safer ways to do kinks than what this show portrayed. It's still abuse because Joss hasn't healed from the trauma she has experienced/is still going through.
@@svizac69 Wow…. I think the point of the show is for people to draw their own conclusions as to what is the “truth.” Both your opinions are valid
@@Monique-dr3lb That's your opinion mam! And my is mine. I hated Tedros from the moment he showed up. It looked like that character was written for somebody super attractive and naturally dominant and then Abel took the role. He was never convincing to me. I also hated Joss from the start. Letting a stranger that she met like two nights ago slap her friend and then she fires him on the spot. There was no coming back from that. Also, I never watched one second of Euphoria btw. I checked out the show because of Suzana Son who I like.There are so many things that didn't make sense for a number of characters to do in every single episode. Even Tedros. He don't even needs Joss for anything. He appears to be the manager of five super talented people who have basically put their lives in his hands. He is also friends with one of the biggest producers in the music business. So he didn't need Joss at all if he wanted to become famous or ritch. All that sex and completelly forced nudity in every scene Joss was in was completelly unnecessary. I hated the endind and am covinced that Abel and Sam changed it just to piss of the critics.
None of what I just said (or what you said) changed the fact that your favorite shrink youtuber waits until everybody else makes their reviews, then watches them after she also watches the episodes, and then acts like she is reacting in the moment with super smart predictions. Come on. Watch the video again shenknows about thing before they happen. She already knows the twist at the end, and the pretends like she saw it much sooner when it didn't made any sense. You think that she would risk having a completely bad and wrong take. She would be laughed at. So she doesn risk it. It is just obvious to me in many parts of the video. Yes she is human a has to make a living. And yes, you are right. I shouldn't have made that remark about OF being her goal. I just dont like manipulation of any form. My senses were tingeling throughout this video so I reacted with my comment. It's called engagement. And is actually good for creator. Btw, I didn' t even dislike the video, so there. I'm not that bad after all. Right? Have a good one
The original project photos leaked and it looked so "for the girls" that I'm genuinely heartbroken. We got robbed.
Oh my god I just looked them up.... I'm gutted
WE WERE ROBBED HARDCORE
Where did you find this sorry I’m just curious
@@girlwtf7616Google it. It will show up. - Amy Seimetz's The Idol photos.
You can thank Abel for that. He was upset that it was "too female" and that's why he got Sam Levinson in to make this piece of trash and kicked off the female director.
The way that she is being portrayed as the manipulator is kinda crazy. I mean imagine the victim being a sexist, manipulative, cult leader, with a god complex, who tried to steal her career from her, AND a violent criminal history. I’m sorry if anything. Jocelyn throwing him to the side is just KARMA.
Most of the characters are bad people though including Jocelyn, multiple things happening at once.
Jocelyn also threw away her best friend and enjoyed watching her other lifelong friend be tortured. Additionally, she sabotaged her back up dancer because she had a chance to outshine her. The thing about Karma is that it swings both ways. You implying that she is innocent because he is guilty is erroneous and I think it is likely they are both disturbed and mentally ill and will be there to torture each other like the most toxic of relationships
@@mkelly534 oh sorry should add a footnote 90% of these characters are bad people. My bad
I don't understand how all of you in the comments came to the conclusion that tedros is portrayed as the victim.
The conclusion is that Jocelyn is manipulative and this does not equal that tedros is not manipulative.
@@mkelly534They are both very similar, it’s just that one of them ended up overpowering the other.
@@queenofhorror29 she overpowered him because she’s a famous pop star with more power than him, not because she’s just as horrible as him. That’s how I interpreted it.
As a songwriter and musician, I understand the meaning behind pain is art, but it's not the only way to create good music! Some of the best songs come from a place of beauty and grace. This show is written from the perspective of narcissistic hacks and it shows.
It might not be the only way, BUT IT'S THE MOST COMMON WAY. IT'S THE MAINLY WAY
There is a video on my channel of me breakdancing to a MF DOOM song. And that was one of my best pieces of art I've created so far. It was created at a dark, lonely and depressing period of my life. I was physically weak, as well
And ironically, when I was happier and stronger in life, I didn't have the inspiration to create something as good as that
I think about the song, "Isn't She Lovely" by Stevie Wonder. That's a blind man singing about his newborn daughter and it sounds beautiful.
As a professional visual artist totally agree.. my most successful pieces came from a place of peace and sincere effort of promoting beauty in this world..
These hacks' approach to the creative process is the same as how they depicted the "sex" scenes.. like dude, have you ever actually HAD it?
@@felipesantiagolucasit's the easy way out simpleton
One of the worst things about this ending is the fact that they’ve drawn so many parallels between Jocelyn and Britney Spears, and even directly referenced her in episode 1. The implications of that are just vile.
i completely forgot about that! that's so disgusting
I heard it is actually inspired more by Selena Gomez, the weeknd's previous love interest
@@sam02082 Either way it's disgusting
@@sam02082It's inspired by a bunch of child stars. Britney the most prominent.
Also with Selena Gomez.
I'm like 90% sure that the part of the show the weeknd and levinson rewrote is this "plot twist" of the last two episodes. They said it was too much of a "female perspective" and I'm so sure that this show was originally supposed to show how much someone like jocelyn can get abused by the industry and people in the industry but instead they wanted to make it more edgy and "interesting" by turning jocelyn into some sort of antihero. like oooh look she's not so innocent and victimy, she's manipulative too. your perspective is obviously super nuanced but I fear the majority of the audience will not see this as hurt people hurting other people but see jocelyn as the "true villain" of the show or whatever. i find this show wildly upsetting but i did thoroughly enjoy your analysis.
They scrapped 80 percent of the show, so no it wasn't the plot twist. And the original version was written by a man.
The weeknd said it was "too much female perspective" and kicked Amy Seimetz (director).
@@Mel-nw2ko and Sam Levinson wrote in every good side character that didn’t make the show complete garbage like destiny.
Everyone still see Jocelyn as the victim
@@lugmediaclub1645 the director was originally a woman tho. i think that makes a big difference.
i saw a tweet that said:
"amy seimetz’s version of the idol was going to include scenes that referenced jocelyn’s past as a child star.
one of the biggest flaws in sam levinson’s version was that jocelyn being a pop star never felt real or authentic so it would’ve been nice to see that fleshed out."
It more than likely will all play out in season two because I believe we’re gonna get a season two.. ppl say it’s bad but it’s pulling everybody in…
I agree with the analysis of the hairbush. There's no way she lied about the abuse. She was so broken earlier in the series. And also everyone cosigned the abuse.
Suggest to her
reacting to TRUE DETECTIVES season 1
And how about movies too ... movies like
THE GIRL WITH THE DRAGON TATTOO 2011
SIN CITY 2005
SHUTTER ISLAND 2010
THE SILENCE OF THE LAMBS 1991
etc etc
a lot cool psychological movies to get comments from you.
You’re giving this show way too much credit, I wish it could even be half as nuanced as the story you were able to piece together from the burnt ashes of whatever this was supposed to be 😭
So true
I think as a therapist you gotta learn to see nuance tho, you have to have some kind of objectivity even while everyone else is fuming with rage lol.
I think you give stuff as much depth as you yourself possess, which is maybe why the way some people see things arent as black and white, there are things shes pointed out about the show that are shitty but you gotta give credit where its due. I feel this way as actress, like lily's performance shows promise, and this show _attempts_ to deal with heavy issues which in a way is... commendable? but the writing and some other "actors" are really lacking.
@@tcrijwanachoudhury my biggest thing is I don’t feel like the writers of the show were truly attempting to tackle any of these topics, though. It jams a thousand and one complicated, sticky scenarios at the wall and doesn’t even try to resolve any of them. Just feels like randomly placed shock values scenes (that are well acted by pretty much everyone except The Weeknd) in the hopes people will latch onto something and do the hard work of the writer’s job in making it all make sense.
This is in no way directed towards the Dr. or audience though, I was desperately trying to piece things together to see if there was any way to make it make sense, just like I’m sure everyone else was and is. It’s massively disorienting that so much money, so many talented actors and producers and writers and staff, and so much backing and hype could produce something so lackluster - especially when these topics have been covered before, and better. (Think Bojack Horseman, Under the Silver Lake, Mulholland Drive, Sunset Boulevard - hell, they even reference Ibsen in the finale and that reference made me laugh at their audacity). We didn’t *need* the Sam Levinson/Weeknd take on Hollywood, and while it may have its moments where it’s funny for a second, I feel the overall show is too harmful to even want to concede that.
I do think Dr. C did great in making the characters personalities coherent :)
as they say, Levinson doesn't know how to create anything, he gets credit for other people filling in the plot holes he does
@@TheSergeantGlitterz as i said "attempt" I never said how successful that attempt was. I thought it had a few good moments, especially lily's scenes but it sadly never went anywhere and those tiny flashes of soul seemed more scarce as the show progressed.
Movies and shows are just as much a business decision as they are creative unfortunately. This is something you gotta understand, there are SO many incredible scripts and actors but what gets the Go ahead tends to be projects that are "bankable" at the executive level, they say the studio system is dead and there is no formula but there will always be people trying to dissuade truly interesting and boundary pushes ideas and thinkers like the ones you mentioned Lynch, and "high brow" stuff like Henrik Ibsen etc. Just a few years ago and way before I was born it felt like somehow "the artists" for lack of a better word were able to fight back and negotiate, whereas now when I watch something I can _feel_ the script changes and the meddling on the part of the Studio, it's like at some point directors stopped putting up a fight and it was probably because a.) Money and b.) Money. People could afford to fight for their creativity but now unless you're independent the only way to make an ambitious film is to hand it over to the studio and you have to play by mothers rules as "harmful" as they may be.
Actual plot twist* what if Netflix teams up with Amy (the original director) and create this same show but from Amy's original perspective with corrctions and advice taken from all these commentaries and critics while excluding the weekend and making the series longer. That would be the best middle finger of the century
Ummm no that's the weekend's story Amy did not create it
@@IENetworkTVhe didn't create it either. It was a different writer originally along side Amy and The Weekend but then a lot of sh¡t happened and Sam Levinson got his dirty hands on the show.
@@RandomSwiftie13 he was always there he just took over a director he was always on the project
@@IENetworkTV the weekend's concept was what was presented ... I'm talking about Amy directing the movie how she originally wanted it to be, its not gonna happen so we don't need to get technical ... It's just a what if thought
I had the same thought. But I would a different actress to play Joss. And of course no Abel. reshoot and recast.
This finale was awful. The pacing is absurd and almost made me feel disoriented. It felt like two whole episodes had passed between 4 and 5. Joss being a master manipulator would have been a better twist if it didn’t come out of nowhere. I couldn’t believe tedros was out in public like nothing happened, after being exposed for trafficking women(??) I won’t even get started on how gross the woman-falsely-accusing-man-of-rape plot was. And what is it with Sam Levinson and extended music scenes? It took up 35 minutes I was legit wondering if it was a musical episode lmao
I felt exactly the same. Awful ending
And the people are screaming when she introduced him to the crowd as the "love of her life", like people did you all forget that this man is a convicted felon and a pimp.
@@lead6186 So true! Truly disgusting ending
It doesn't come out of no where....and incase you didn't realize it yet her mother never abused her
Anybody else notice her in the basic Instinct dress whith her legs crossed on back of golf cart gave me chills.... she is the idol....
The "as a parent figure I couldn't be more proud of you" line was such a gut punch.. made me feel ill
This is the best description of this show that I’ve heard: The Idol is like a pizza cutter. All edge and no point.
It was from UA-camr Far Too Much To Say.
@@kshamwhizzle6544that is an excellent point! Also, at least a pizza cutter can make a point 🍕
@@JNDReacts at least a pizza cutter has a point
This show? It's only point is to hopefully ruin Sam Levinson's reputation and potentially make it impossible for him to create more shows.
That's a great point actually never mind what I said
I love hearing your real opinions, but I think you give this show WAAAAAAAYYYYYY too much credit. I can almost guarantee they were not thinking of any of this when they wrote these characters
I don't think she's giving anyone "credit" but rather analyzing the substance that's there whether it's intended or not
It’s like it was all there but almost impossible to sift through all the sex and terrible unnecessary scenes.. 😢
Why do u not want someone to say this show was not all that bad
The Truth Doctor gave the most nuanced reaction of ALL youtubers. And I watched soo many.
This show needed an eye for subtlety, nuance and very complex psychological themes.
It's amazing the hate parade this show has gotten, and I can only assume it's been fueled by those in the industry snd media who do not want the curtain raised on how they profit off human beings.
I may not care for this show to a degree that everyone does, but I feel like you don't understand why Dr. Courtney wasn't showing too much judgement on this show. She said many times before, these characters are still human regardless of how their characters are. She's looking at it from another perspective, in a humane perspective I guess, because she's a therapist, they're supposed to understand and not judge.
Anyone else think The Weekend read “I’m Glad My Mom Is Dead” and went “that’s hot” and then called someone to make him a script that combined it and his ex gf’s careers and said “just throw in a creepy cult leader for me to play, that’ll get me a Golden Globe!”??
Ahhhh yes
They started shooting the show long before the book come out. The story is probably universal for most child stars.
I think the hairbrush abuse was something Jocelyn lied about the entire time. I also think it's crazy that you skipped over the part where Jocelyn calls her label or tour manager (the guy not Nikki) where she calls him a "parental figure" after dancing provocatively and basically gave him a strip tease dance... To me that shows just how fucked up the people who run the industry are, to watch someone you consider yourself to be a parental figure to do all that in front of you and then say that out loud, is so inappropriate and is disgusting, gives off very weird vibes.
Oh no, the “parent figure” part was horrible. I had a deep internal reaction to it. Just couldn’t fit it in the cut. It’s sickening 😟
@@the.truth.doctor yes it was very sickening! They definitely nailed that part if it made us all feel that way I guess lol.
Maybe this means in Season 2 they’re gonna actually tell us something about her FATHER? Ew, no thanks🤢
@@sgdsingh9123 He probably just left, tbh. Probably part of why her mom was in such complete control.
@@sgdsingh9123I think there will be not season 2
NOBODY talks about how in one of Tedros’ past relationships he held a girl hostage for three days and committed atrocious DV. I’m sorry there’s no redemption arc after that point, regardless of whatever convoluted plot they came up with.
This is also just a bad portrayal of a cult leader. There’s plenty of figures and references they could have researched to understand the trajectory of these people, and big surprise but they don’t just cave like this, drink and let some girl they were trying to control take over. Especially ones w DV records. HE WOULD HAVE GOTTEN VI🎉LENT. Where’s the smear campaigns, the blackmail, the threats… He would have done so much worse. These people are almost always psychopaths that do everything necessary to keep control. And cult followers don’t just switch up leaders like that.
If y’all gonna make incredibly questionable takes on female abuse, at least make accurate. God and I love a good cult plot too… 🙄
I was thinking this exactly. He would've put up a hell of a fight gaslighting and manipulating Jocelyn so she couldn't push him away. And realistically it wouldn't have been so easy for her to just snap out of it
I was saying this throughout the whole episode five. Episode four when she was cheating with rob can work with him getting weepy, as long as he BLOWS during episode five. Theoretically, if my idea of cult leaders is accurate, there are two major ways they could’ve gone.
Tedros snaps at the end of four and we go through a hostage situation, which ends with them taking destiny’s car and Josslyn shooting Tedros with the gun from episode 3 because Chekov’s Gun. Or, we have Tedros leave the way he did and have him come back and kill Josslyn for revenge, which will forever cement her in history as “The Idol”. I feel like Tedros can become weepy to a point, as long as he utterly 💥EXPLODES💥 and that violent past comes back. As much as I hate to say that violence against women would work, it would fit with a character who has a past of DV.
Was he convicted for kidnapping or DV or is that a rumour that Destiny only talked about?
@@gbej1 He was arrested because he mentions to Chaim that “He went to jail for this shit”, and later in the episode, we find out Talia got some testimony from girls Tedros used to Pimp.
@@kikispears4749 I’m not sure he admitted to kidnapping and DV. Pimping is not the same as DV
Honestly, this changes my mind about The Weeknd so much... I shouldn't apply this to him personally, but how can we not? It was like some vicarious storytelling about Sam and his life and how they view women in their industry.
There were even subtle digs at some of The Weekends ex partners like Selena Gomez wearing her hospital bracelet in a music video and then giving Jocelyn one for her shoot??
Like, come on.... I won't be supporting them after this. Even Euphoria, as well as it was received it was a disgusting display of objectifying women and displaying them as sexual beings with attachment issues.
Joseline mother is jestin bieber story how he abuse Selena .....just they make rob her ex but the mother story is rob means jestin......the weekend save Selena Gomez life
A reminder that the weeknd's whole career is based on sexualizing women. Also, the initial creator is the weeknd, along with Amy Seimetz as a director, and then he kicked her out, and then Sam joined. Most of Sam's movies are bad but don't be surprised. His dad is a director, so we know how he got here.
@@Mel-nw2ko Sam wrote in all the good side characters like destiny that made the show watchable, I blame the weekend more than anyone.
@kanyenism7528 I'm glad he wrote enjoyable side characters but that doesn't excuse his involvement in sexualizing the women in this show.
@@Mel-nw2ko Destiny and Leia were the only redemptions characters that gave this show any substance.
It is so disappointing Amy Seimetz was removed.
It's giving Game of Thrones, like Jocelyn was a victim until the last episode when suddenly she's the mad king burning everyone with her dragons. Sam Levison should never be allowed to write alone he's a menace.
Euphoria season 3 is about to be an even bigger train wreck if he doesn't hire more writers that are actually good.
She was never a victim of Tedros. The sex scenes showed that.
At the end, I was sitting there, realizing I didn’t give two flying freaks about ANY person or relationship or friendship in the show cause I didn’t understand, relate for feel for any of them and they were all unlikable people. I didn’t care so much that I realized if I did, I would’ve viewed the fact that Leia, Jocelyn’s best friend, left her as something tragic and important. But I barely noticed it until I watched a review of the show recently.
For real.
This show is so exhausting.
It feels draining. I haven't seen it and I won't, I'd rather watch it through the lenses of this clever, thoughtful therapist.
This show feels as if I had been stuck in a public toilet, forced to clean it with a Barbie toothbrush.
It feels so fricking agonising. No one's good, nobody's cool, Leia seems to be the only "human" character, in the sense she's the only one likeable for me.
If this is a reflection of the director's life, then what a sad, shallow, empty-souled life it is. Complete emptiness, no substance, no anything.
Maybe that is what this series is supposed to do ... That's the reason why all these celebrities don't actually have real friends. They don't really trust anyone because they all know no one really cares about them, the "real" them. What matters to everyone is their fame and how much money they can bring in. I think that's why a lot can't cope and do drugs etc... Also the "abuse"... I just watch a documentary about the music industry where the death clause is talked about. Now, go figure all the suspicious celebrities death: overdose, suicide etc...
@@yiavang102 enough with the theorizing and sewing a plot together to excuse the horrible show. I saw people do that for Euphoria season 2 as well, people theorizing things to make the plot make sense and excuse the fact that Sam isn’t a good screenwriter. The Idol was a bad show. Period.
@@angelashinner Bad or good, I was not interested in watching it and I didn't even see it. So I am just commenting on that particular comment above. After that everyone is free their theory. I won't watch it anyway.
My god was I waiting for you doctor!!
Me too😊
I respect that you believe Sam Levinson and The Weeknd put this much thought into the script of this show that you are able to analyze it to this much detail Dr.
Yeah they probably didn’t. But her perspective makes most sense as things aren’t black and white.
They definitely didn't.
They definitely did not 😂
@@RandomSwiftie13 And how do you know they did not?
i personally noticed how she said "hello angels" to her fans, just like tedros said it to her on their first date together. to me, it made it look like she's now trying to manipulate her fans into thinking that she's one type of person (that she's really not) in order to ger what she wants from it.
and another flag to me was that she called them family, again, like tedros said to all of these talents he had in his cult ("that's my family", "we're the family", etc.). so that's another way of showing that jocelyn is just planning to manipulate her fans and use them the way she wants
also this scene when her directors/producers were talking on a balcony about how great it all turned out for them scene on a balcony of her house when they're also talking while the rehearsal but they're concerned - another cool parallel
This entire time, Xander looked so familiar. I just now looked up because I assumed who it was - Troye Sivan. I used to listen to his music before I turned 18. Seeing somebody go from “Disney like” to “adult content” is almost like a culture shock.
I actually discovered him because of his songs , songs who were "mature" like strawberries and cigarettes , a song that talk about a toxic relationship, so I was surprised that he's here , it felt like a slap in the face
3:38 so real. happened to me, I was manipulated by a close person for quite a while, and when I noticed it, I started doing it back to them. I've never done anything like that before, so they didn't even suspect and notice that I was doing it. serves them right, an eye for an eye 🤷♀️
Preach lmfao. At least you are honest everyone else is crying “how could they make Jocelyn do this” like it isn’t fucking human nature lol.
Done the same thing.
@@kanyenism7528No one is crying about it. We just really hate how they went about that plot line because it could have been done a lot better like the Gone Girl movie.
I like the fact you actually try to give this show more credit than it's due and still engage us in conversations that are essential and quite interesting about the industry and abuse in general. I like all your interpretations more than what is on the surface because I would like to hope that the Weekend and Sam Levinson did not actually make this female, clearly vulnerable abuse victim into a manipulative mastermind. Also, I love your videos in general more than anything because they mix media and psychology which are my two special interests
they tried to make us feel bad for tedros at the end when he literally he beat his ex-girlfriend half to death, groomed a child, physically abused jocelyn, and manipulated dozens of people
I didn’t see it as Jocelyn being the villain, I saw it as she turned his own game against him and used it to make her comeback. I was kinda rooting for her at the end😂
me too
May I ask how did you see that?
i dont get how some may see it as her taking her power back. What power? She willingly put herself in rhat relationship with Tedros knowing his character so she could have a career.
She already had power and was calculated.
This is something that The Weekend always has in his videos with women.
The women are the ones that hurting him and using him and he's f*cked up and misunderstood, but you know what . .. the women are worst.
@@UMMH2000 I don’t know, i just never saw her as a villain. I think she just flipped it on him after she found out what he was up to. As for her being in love with him, it’s not too far from reality that people will fall in love with terrible individuals. But i like to think she came out on top after it all. It was satisfying to see Tedros be put in his place by everyone including Jos. I can see where you’re coming from though.
@@JorgiePorgie2011 👍💝
If anything, not only does it show the insight to the industry but it states that for some artists, there is truly no way out from the abuse unless they actually work towards changing themselves and removing that environment. Even when Jocelyn had a choice, she chose the wrong one.
Other movies that examine the pitfalls of the entertainment industry but in more inventive ways:
*Vox Lux* (starring Natalie Portman) is an examination of a pop star who deliberately uses her trauma (in this case a mass shooting, rather than abuse) to make bank, at the cost of her personal relationships.
*Black Swan* also looked at performance, perfection, parental control and mental illness (and also stars Natalie Portman) in a way that centers the main character's fractured state of mind. It's ballet rather than pop, but since *The Idol* has dialogue about what makes capital A Art I think it still applies.
*NOPE* is a bit out there, being a sci-fi creature feature, but it has the character of Ricky Jupe to explore the idea of child stars re-using their trauma to maintain relevance and success because the industry (and the trauma) is all they know, as well as the overall connection of viewership = dehumanization = spectacle.
Interesting and worth mentioning comparisons! I love NOPE and Black Swan
Hey Doctor Tracy! I think I can speak for most the audience and say thank you for this series.
I agree. The fact that we analyse the violence and abuses that this series put together in order to gain money out of it, gives it a really deep new sense. So thank you for seeing through it with us.
Glad you enjoy it!
I do wonder how Abel (The Weekend) feels about his home now! As a majority of The Idol was filmed in Jocelyn’s house. Which is Abel’s actual real home. And as he has received so much criticism for his acting. I do wonder if Abel regrets opening his home up for this project?
12:43 pretty sure this is the weeknd and the other writers/directors of the explaining to us the purpose of this show "it's not about the politics or the propaganda it's about the art..."
I didn’t know it but I really needed to hear what you said at the end. You’re not strong because of your trauma, you were already strong to get through it.
same
The thing is when you are abused by your narcissistic parents...you easily trust other people instead. You will feel valued if people are abusing and using you. As one being abused, the adrenaline of always surviving is sooo good. It feels like an accomplishment of always surviving the stress of it. Once the abuse stopped, you will feel empty that no one is pushing you forward to something. Your health may also decline because your body is not used to relaxing and having peaceful environment.
the living room concert was soooooooo long for no good reason
As someone who has suffered narcissistic abuse in on/off relationships, the reunion scene hit different. It's hard to explain to somebody who doesn't understand what it's like to love, hate, and fear somebody all at the same time.
The only normal people were destiny, Chaim, and leia.
And the Maids
I think your interpretation of the hairbrush makes the most sense. If it was a new brush the first time Tedros used it, why did he only notice it now? Some have argued that before he was under the influence of drugs and alcohol, which I could see making sense. Maybe he’s sober now and finally noticed the brush.
But that wouldn’t explain why people who’ve known Jocelyn for years, like Xander and Leia, corroborated the story of the abuse.
Yea I feel like it was more of symbolism of her character moving on from her mothers abuse and replacing it with a new abusive person, Tedros. Like you said, I was thinking the same thing, why would Xander, Leia and even the managers know of/mention how her mother was mean and abusive to her.
The abuse by her mother was probably legit. The use of a hairbrush may be made up. It seems like Leila’s and Xander would have known. Neither explicitly corroborated the hairbrush abuse
Story. There would have been marks/scars noticed st the time when Joss was dressing/undressing. Just not convinced the hairbrush story is real.
No, the hairbrush was brand new at the concert. The one he had used on her before was the old one.
@@nicolesweere4182 yeah that’s what I was saying.
i didn't take the brush as in she lied about the abuse, but as in she lied about which brush it is. in a moment of thought she purposefully picked the wrong one; which would still allow the situation to happen but allow her some form of control or allow her to keep something personal for herself
Interesting! This is the best theory I have heard and I've read and listened to a lot. Your very wise!
I have stopped watching it since ep2 and trying to make sense of the season. I was really only watching it for Kim jennie (who plays dyanne). But since finding your videos I enjoy your breakdowns. I think you give me a sense of what the show could have been, rather than what it is.
double check your comment. also i don't understand why you're willingly watching a person you admire perform badly (and i don't mean her concerts this time, but her acting)
And the fact that Jennie had way more screen time but they cut it out after director change and told her to just "sit down and look pretty"
@@sasukespussy This is her first gig as an actor. Not everyone is great at everything their first go around. I even found some parts to be lacking, but that's why there is always room for improvement. With her being in the kpop industry, there is always so much criticism on her but she continues to push through. I think this show demonstrates the strings being pulled in such industry. And Dr. Courtney touches on that as well when she compares Tedros and Nikkie.
Through Dr. Courtney's explanation of 'The Idol', we get to see how our human behaviors shape and change a persons psyche. That is why I felt like her breakdown of the eps. allowed me to grasp what it is they are trying to portray.
@@madamemusashi4023Babe you have to atleast act to get casted into a HBO show, but why did they hire her??? Cause she's a pop star, stop defending everything about her, we should be able to acknowledge both the merits and the shortcomings of an artist. she can't act and that's the T.
@@lead6186 I think you misunderstand me. I did say that I found some parts to be lacking, and I also stopped watching at ep 2 and only watched Dr. Courtneys explanations. The whole point of the comment I made was that I ended up enjoying her commentary a lot more than the show.
I mean.. When he ASKED her, “Is this the SAME brush that your mother used?” She said “YES” so if the storytellers were expecting NO one to think she’d lied all along about the abuse, they should’ve made it CLEARER that she’d simply “switched out the brushes to move on” because now the who Surprise Ending just made the entire plot line and pointlessness of the whole thing feel murky-and it was ALREADY murky enough from the start🤣
I loved your analysis of this show though-WAY better than the show itself, hands down!
you know, Jocelyn's decision may have been the wrong one for a therapist, but it's the dream of people who are suffering profoundly due to abuse. They dream of having power over their abuser. Maybe it's just meant as a revenge fantasy, as maladaptive as that is. The show makers probably feel good enough about having made something more or less psychologically correct, with good understanding of these dynamics, so they feel happy with their work. Instead of aspirational, maybe it's just exploitative
I appreciate how calm and patient you have remained throughout this show, bc the sexual content, abuse and inconsistencies are all so frustrating
This show is horrifying. It reminds me of everything wrong with the world and especially Hollywood. I hate everyone involved and will never forgive or forget. The end.
I guess it worked then lol, I felt like it had so much promise but it just feels so goofy that I cant even feel horrified. Tbh I think a lot of people will forget it but remember the conversation it sparked
Ok great who are you again ?
Are you a literal child?
@@IENetworkTV Uh, who's asking? 🤣🤣
@@IENetworkTV Who is asking lol???
Hello Dr. I have a different interpretation of the ending than you. The revelation of the new hair brush was Tedrros realizing that he was being manipulated and Jocelyn wanting Tedros back in her life wasn't because she wanted to be under control but the opposite. It sort of like her relationship with Xander. He was part of her entourage forever but forbidden to be successful. When she brought Tedros on stage she told him that he was hers and told him to go stand over there. She emasculated him.
As a fellow therapist, excellent analysis of the fianl episode! Also 100% agree that experiencing trauma is NEVER an excuse to treat others badly. When folks have experience trauma, it's their responsibility to heal themselves so they don't hurt others.
As messed up as it is, I think the show has a lesson. If you do not find healthy ways to deal and heal with your trauma, you will be forever stuck in it.
And even more.Thank you
I only want more episodes because of YOU. Your take is much more interesting then the entire series.
SAME!!
omg you gave this show so much substance 😩😩
I have to say as someone who’s lost a parent who was verbally and physically abusive (at times) but still a great parent.
You really answered questions I had no idea I was going through
Jocelyn using her hairbrush to motivate her ,
When my father died I was very angry , depressed, lost, etc
I branded myself with my key at work as a way of dealing with the lost of my father.
It felt good…. It didn’t really hurt I just pushed my key in my skin far enough to the point where I could handle the pain.
Plus it was me branding myself as a sign for my father as a reminisce of considering I don’t have any tattoos and wasn’t able to get any.
I look back and I’m just in shock how I was able to do that. I was very much so numb to the situation even when I was told he died , I saw it coming from a mile away because he was a alcoholic and refused to get help
It’s just such a reality check when it’s your own parent
YESS DOCTOR omg I’ve been saying this since day one. I tweeted about it too. The new hairbrush didn’t mean that she wasn’t abused. It meant that she’s found a new abuser who motivates her, Tedros.
Exactly. I'm surprised how many people thought it was meaning she was lying about the abuse.
How do you -know- that though?
@@hotfudgecake because it makes absolutely ZERO sense that she was lying about the abuse. She’s been a mess the entire show as a result of losing her mother, she had no reason to fake being a mess as her career really meant the world to her. Her friends testify they also witnessed her mother abuse her, that horrible scene with Tedros beating her with the hairbrush and Xander crying his eyes our, it would make no sense why it’s such a emotionally draining event for everyone there if that abuse didn’t happen before.
Also it makes no sense that Jocelyn would let Tedros back into her life UNLESS she is indeed motivated by abuse and since her mother is gone, she only has Tedros to give her that abuse and as a result, the motivation.
I’m actually shocked at how many people so easily believed that scene meant she lied about the mother’s abuse and they even spread it all other the internet and got thousands of likes for it. We misunderstood the show sooo badly.
I'm thoroughly impressed with your professional analysis and close reading of a TV series I rode off as melodramatic after finishing. You brought forward a lot of substance I genuinely didn't pick up on (even in smaller symbols like the repeated use of the hairbrush). I learned a lot about the psychology of relationships and abuse. Solid work. Subscribed. :)
Love these videos! Your reactions to the show is the only way I watch it so thank you for your sacrifice
As ALWAY'S YOUR BREAKDOWNS ARE SOO WELL SAID AND BRILLIANT 🙌.... I MEAN THIS FROM THE BOTTOM OF MY HEART THANK YOU FOR THIS🙏... Your Wisdom, Expertise, Acknowledgment, and Guidance Really Goes A LONG WAYS Not Only for These Series You Breakdown Sooooooo WELL I Must Say BUT "LIFE IN GENERAL" As you AWAYS Speak On, I Really Enjoyed hearing your Brilliant Analysis and TAKE on ALL Subjects... Well Said Again Doc👏... Until Next Time... BLESSINGS TO YOU♥👋
I watched all 4 of your reactions. The minute that the Finale came out, I was looking for yours!
I love love love your analysis of the show. This is the best “The Idol” related content I’ve seen. Amazing work!
I was on edge to watch your video!!! So happy you posted!!❤
Your outro words mean a lot to me right now. Im only just coming to terms with some things happening to me in my past over the course of my therapy so honestly just thank you from the bottom of my heart ❤❤❤
The part that nobody actually cared about robb was really disgusting, it was in her house and he came because of her, and she didn't even contact him again.
The way that artists and musicians has been portrayed in the show is also a bit disrespectful, we have so many great artists that didn't need to live like these people to create their art and it was actually their talent and vision.
There is also no mention of how she reacted after Leah leaving. Her best friend, whom she defended even against Tedros.
@@MegaMilenche yeah exactly
@@MegaMilenchebecause she's a bad friend. There you go.
@@lugmediaclub1645 I am really sorry for asking you to specify. Who's "she" that's the bad friend? Joss or Leah? I am confused, since they are both "she" xD
@@MegaMilenche Jocelyn is a bad friend to Leia. That's why Leia eventually just left without saying goodbye.
I'm second-year psychology student (planning on being clinical psychologist in the future) and I recently found out about your channel! I love it, your films are so helpful to me, because I don't have a lot of practice for now, but the information you put out in those videos is more handy, less theorotical and helped me better my interpretation of some problems my patients may have, how to make certain connections when processing information about body language and what the person is saying etc. Thanks a lot for it! (my English is not the best, so I hope this is understendable)
I’ve loved your insight about this show - it’s made watching this mess much more bearable lol
♥️ I’ve been waiting for this video to drop. I didn’t watch the show, just your videos. Thanks, for such brilliant and informative content.
Your reviews for this show was really good, glad I found your channel
Have been checking for this upload everyday! So happy ☺️
Your message at the end was BEAUTIFUL!!
i don't know how to feel about this show and its ending, but as always, your commentary is incredibly eye-opening
Each reaction you did about this show was 12/10! My bf and I were so confused after watching this last episode and I was mad because she went back to him but your breakdown made it so easy to understand and now I actually care if we get a season 2 because I finally know what’s going on lol. You’re so amazing Doc ❤ so glad I found you at the beginning of this series and hope to see more of you & your in depth reactions 🥹🫶🏾 thank you thank you!
I understood the same as you about the hairbrush. Everything you say is so relevant. Thank you so much :)
The show is the epitome of tell, don't show.
I knew someone in the music business before the major blow out in 2002 of massive layoffs in the industry, he was an A&R guy for a Rock and Metal label that is no longer around and when he met with a buddy of mine to discuss session work for bands on their roster he said something that stuck with me "It's not about what's good or even great, It's about what sells" After I heard that I knew the music biz was worse than I could ever imagine even in the more indie side, not the major labels.
The idea of the show is a good one. It was executed very badly but it's not that the purpose of the show was not fulfilled at all. Thanks to Dr. Courtney, all of us could see and understand various kinds of trauma and abuse and the way our brain tackles it. Knowingly or unknowingly, they were able to portray many different situation of trauma and abuse.
Shows like this should be made so that people like Dr. Courtney can use it as a material to spread awareness and knowledge about the very complex psychological system that our brain has. It also helps by clarifying wrong ideas we get from various other sources.
I'm looking forward to Season 2 and hope that the makers of the show realise their mistakes and make the next season a better one.
Thank You Dr. Courtney for the insight you gave us. Instead of blatantly hating on the show you actually took time to understand it and explain it to so many of us. I'm also looking forward to watching your analysis of the next season.
It had many flaws, but I liked the show. The only part I'm frustrated for is that we have to endure Tedros for another season, which will probably have even more episodes considering the success HBO had with the pilot. Bad PR is still PR and even though a big chunk of the audience hate watched it, they did help increase viewership by manyfolds. I just hope next season the production is able to get a deserving viewership and appreciation.
Amazing analysis 👏
I was hoping that the idol would take the route of showing the toxic parts of Hollywood... but as this show went on it became clear that this show is a mixed bag of messages purely made to shock the audience and leave them with a half baked plot
Huzzah! The train wreck comes to its final stop. Thank you so much as always for your incredible insight and analysis. You look great today btw!!
Aaahh I waited soo long to this reaction, thank you doc ❤
I just found your channel and I'm in love! Your content is so well made and interesting! I'm so happy to have found you and now I'm binging your Wednesday series.
This is the way I interpreted the new hair brush as well. I was so confused when people were saying she was lying about the abuse to manipulate.
I watched the show only through your eyes and videos and it was really interresting ! Thank you so much !
The New Hairbrush scene could be interpreted as her turning a new leaf. But if you were trying to connect the theory of her duplicity, the smile could reveal that she may have lied about it too.
Thank you so much Doctor 💕💕
You're such a good professional! I think your perspective on the show is waaay more brilliant than it deserves, I mean, I agree that is a great interpretation, but I doubt this outcome was made on that purpose. I am honestly glad that I could watch this show trough your words.
In retrospect, I ❤this show. I grew up with the same core beliefs as Jocelyn. Its taken a long time to realize that. The idol and therapist articulate the experience🎉
Thank you so much for your comments as a professional!! I have been keeping up with your reactions since the first episode, and I have really seen you take a closer look at a lot of points that most commenters just made a silly joke about. I think it's fair to try to analyse the show for what they claim it to be (a deeper look at the trauma culture in Hollywood), and I have heard many interesting perspectives only from your videos. I honestly think this show has brought up many interesting stories, and I would love to see a more successful spin-off in the future with any or all of the characters, maybe with different directors.
Thank you so much for this! You can criticize aspects of this show but it's obvious that a lot of thought went into it. There is still so much to analyze and talk about but barely anyone does. Which made me that much more glad and appreciative of your videos on The Idol so thank you, sincerely!
For me, this show was worth it to discover your channel ✨
I’ve been waiting on your review!
BEEN WAITING FOR THIS VIDEO 🥳🥳🥳🥳
I appreciate you trying to explain the madness that this show was, but I can’t understand the “plot twist” they tried to make by making Jocelyn the villain at the end . Didn’t make any sense.
I loved your opinions on this entire show, and it’s funny because I swear everything you’ve said is exactly what I said lol💙 yes I’m all into this show and the in between the lines of what’s going on and I hope we get a season two…
the way i’ve been waiting for this video since they aired that ridiculous ending 😂
I wish I saw what you saw because damn that’s the show I was expecting.
I agree with you about the hair brush. I don't get why everyone immediately thought that she lied about the abuse just because he asked if it was new, I think it has more to do with what you said.
Great video, and i just wanted to say thank you for your words at the and, made me tear up (in a positive way)
You called it right!
Yessss! I absolutely agree with you!
This relationship is based on co-dependency. People be out there saying Joss is the master manipulator or what not. But the truth is: Both of them are victim and perpetrator at the same time.
I kept updating UA-cam to see if you did this episode!!!
For the hairbrush I think you misunderstood. He said « is this the hairbrush you said your mother used to abuse you » (or something similar) she answered « yes ». She didn’t replaced the hairbrush, what they are implying is that it was new from the start and the abuses were lies.
But then why would other characters in the show who grew up along side her know about how her mother was mean and abusive? Unless she's been a master manipulative liar since she was a child I don't think she lied about it.
I think she lied.
It's kind of similar to how she let Rob take the fall for something he actually didn't do
I swear i waited this review and i am really impressed. It was the most logical interpretation of "the brush scene" though i still don't believe authors thought this way. I found this channel because of this show and probably will stay for long
I loved this show