The Idol is a show that I definitely feel had bags of potential in it, so it is a shame that it never really picked a route and decided to roll with it, or even handle the more serious subject matters. What did you think of the season finale? Comment your thoughts below!
I feel like with this episode and it being the finale so many confusing messages about abuse and the victims of abuse are being sent out and the audience is not interpreting it the right way either. I know the episode just aired but so many people online are now writing off the abuse that Jocelyn endured from her mother even though her whole team corroborated it because of what she did to Tedros. Saying she made it all up. Now with these last two episodes the show is trying to to make us feel sympathy for his terrible character. Not mention Robs career being the casualty of these two, and it not being clear if Joss purposely invited him over to not only have Tedros do something to him but to get back at him for cheating.
You said it, it had a lot of potential. For example that one actor - The Weeknd - was totaly underused. He would have made a great backround character or an even greater extra.
@@demi8890Dude everyone got the 'message'. I don't get why all these big brains are trying to EXPLAIN the show like we don't know. We GET IT, it just sucks
@@demi8890Even with that though, just making the actress being objectified and showing off her body regardless if it was intentional or not and putting her character in these weird scenarios just to bamboozle us at the end that she was the bad guy all along, not only did it feel forced but it also felt misogynistic on the writers (mostly for sam and the weeknd) while also undermining what Tedros does to her. i just woke up, so forgive me if i said anything wrong here
Joss being the villain only works if she’s a well-written character in the first place. What we got is that she’s always victimized by everyone else around her. There’s no character or foundation outside her trauma that will make Joss being the bad guy believable. And Weeknd becoming a true victim in the end sends really weird message to the audience. Yeah, those people abused a poor girl but they are right because the girl is the bad guy all along. Maybe we need Amy Seimetz cut like the Snydercut of this show for more female aka more Jocelyn’s perspective.
@@ivideszatigny4163 yes, the way jocelyn cheated on tedros w rob its giving dejavu of justin and selena gomez, selena did cheat on Abel its true but she ofc didnt get back w Abel but yes that part gives a lot of deja vu about their relationship and its kind of obvious how selena used justin for inspiration, if she loved justin beiber so much she would ofc said yes to the marriage but justin was like her one fav ex, her obsession and inspiration, which tedros is for jocelyn, jocelyn plays victim card a lot so does selena and both are manipulative so it's pretty much giving selena gomez
Going by at what Abel hinted during a live I interview with Zane Lowe is that hes done with the show permanently so I'm thinking this is the reason for deading all the characters to their worst so that NO ONE can miss them cus this show is never coming back Abel sounded very sure of this.
I just hope HBO would stop trusting Sam Levinson, he's not as good as what the HBO people think he is. They went from The Last of Us to Succession to Barry to this is just embarassing
if they cut out the unnecessary sex scenes and overly long performances, replacing them with character development, the show could have made more sense.
again the plot WAS her hole! So there is no sex tape without the sex scenes-right? -sicko beat off king will be the only ones watching this- like those creepy old men that used to go to Brittany concerts
You can definitely feel there were 2 different stories packed into one. It was choppy, the pace was inconsistent, and although the premise is interesting and there are some fun parts, the watching experience was too frustrating for me to continue to see it.
Joss taking Tedros back so publicly does not make sense. He is radioactive now! Does she want to succeed or she killed her career on purpose? This is not an ambiguous kind of situation. It is just terrible writing!!!!
The worst part about The Idol for me is that it's actually a really good story on paper. A child star on her own for the first time after her abusive mother dies finds herself feeling empty and lost spiritually/musically until she gets with another abuser and together starts making the best music of her career. However the abuser alienates her from her friends and even sabotages her ex which causes Joss to break up with him. Joss however now feels that emptiness more than ever since she has no one to trust and believes the abuser is the only reason her music was any good, so she takes him back and wants him to keep abusing her. Part of this is me interpreting what the brush at the end implies, for me I felt the interpretation of it being a new brush she bought for Tedros to use felt better for the story. To me that's a pretty good story about how people can be put into these cycles of abuse because of the emptiness you feel after it's over and the self worth the abuser gives you. It's a universal theme told from a not so universal character. To me that works so well. Abuse can happen to anybody and anyone can fall into the cycle of craving that abuse when they don't quite make the adjustment to "normalcy." The Idol could've tackled that with the full weight and subtlety needed to make it work. The problem is that the focus was more put onto graphic scenes and propping up every character that wasn't Joss. This meant less time to develop Joss and so every development felt rushed and this genuine great plot got diluted to a "watch it for the plot" joke.
I kept hitting the 10 second forward button on my remote…Tedros was like an annoying flea the whole episode. I was yelling at the TV as to why he kept staying around. The concert filming venue being at the After Hours till Dawn was such a distraction for me.
Did not like this finale, the last 10-15 minutes cemented it for me as now we are led to believe that Jocelyn was the manipulator and Tedros is the victim??!? How were we suppose to take this show seriously and what was the point of it
They could be both manipulative in their own ways and Jocelyn could be seen as an enabler of his abuse towards her friends & staff members (se*ual harassment, drug abuse, torture). But did anybody do him wrong?
Despite being an underwhelming finale, I somehow found a sense of understanding of where this show wanted to take me. When Jocelynn broke down Tedros by humiliating him, I felt that. My mother was verbally abusive and my father violent and (oversharing sorry) when I met people I loved, there was never a time, I didn't want to hurt them as much as possible just to see if they'll stick around, it's something I struggle with today. Hurting someone just to see if they'll leave me or not want me and Tedros not taking the money showed her he wasn't there for the money and that's why she brought him back. She put him through the pain he put her through (even though she allowed him to). It's F'd up but am ashamed that part of their dynamic got to me. The rest can go to hell, it was very useless.
This series exposes who Sam Levinson actually is than the themes that it tries to tackle. Everyone who worked on this series should be ashamed of themselves
The abuse from her mother was real, but the abuse from Tedros was set up, jocelyn want to be hurt to make herself feel alive to make better music. So she faked her way into a contract by tricking the company to kick Tedros out of the his earnings and power over her contract even thou he was the one to bring it to life…but the music was real and the pain was real !
If you didn't pick up on one of the final scenes in the last episode with the famous hair brush, none of the power play by Joss in the first half of the episode makes sense. Its is supposed to be the 'light bulb moment' for the audience when she looks over her shoulder and gives that devilish grin like "It was me". And this was ironic because in the scene where the artists are doing their show case for the producers, her tour manager refers to Tedros as "Kaiser Soze". Remember that Kaiser Soze was the weak and handicapped character who turned out to be in fact not handicapped, but a villian with a different voice and personality altogether in Usual suspects. That was foreshadowing because there was a kaiser soze in the room but it wasn't Tedros, it was Jocelyn. Jocelyn is Kaiser Soze. Where this show went wrong (among many other things), is it seems like a large part of the show was written before they decided to take it in this direction? Probably because if they reverse-engineered it, it would have been less than a shock...but similar to Dan being Gossip girl in Gossip Girl 2009, if you look for evidence of this in previous episodes it just doesn't make sense.
I'm so disappointed in the finale! You are so right. It made no sense that it did seem like something was missing, and it was just confusing and no real ending. Thank you for the video. I was feeling like am I losing my mind. This makes no freaking sense!!
its these good plots that sam levinson leaves behind, like what happened to dyanne? leia? why did jocelyn get back with tedros? why did destiny let them meet? wtf man
She changed directions on him in the previous episode when she broke from his spell, realizing he planned it all from the start when the young singer revealed his intentions when she was on Molly.
I just don’t understand the finale. Like at all. She lied about her abuse? Why? He couldn’t see it was a new hairbrush episodes back? Why does she still love Tedros? What was the point of her ex boyfriend and framing him? Dyanne’s character was pointless. Why did Leia leave? They spent half the episode on random songs from Tedros’s cult that advanced the show in no way. Overall, I was hoping it would end with a plot twist but this was just stupid.
*I don’t think Jocelyn should’ve taken* the psychopath cult members on tour with her.. Chloe is the only one who should’ve gone with her.. Izaak was especially manipulative
why it's awful? They let a musician be a writer and producer when he doesn't know what he's doing even in his own industry. Just look at that stage set up for his Superbowl halftime show, ffs. Most of the cost for that came out of his own pocket and it's one of the worst Superbowl performances ever. Why they would give him reigns on a show is beyond me. We can't even blame a lack of writers. This started back in 2021--the same year he did the Superbowl halftime show.
I might be the only but I really enjoyed it. I was hooked from the 1st episode. Yes, it has things that could be improved but it was enjoyable overall.
Spoilers: In the end when Jocelyn brought Tedro to the stage to show to the crowd. When her managers were like WTF. That's me, I share the same reaction with them.
From a narrative standpoint i could get behind jos being victimaized her whole life. She learns that to get what you want you have to be calculating and cruel. So her becoming manipulative and mean makes sense. But if the show had 10 episodes and good acting from everyone, then itd make more sense and work. This show doesnt work. And no, im not the camp that thinks women cant be both a victim at one time and a perp at another. People like that do exist.
I’m still lost ! But , the fact she took that idiot back was just disgusting! Especially after all Haim did for her . I was very disappointed in Destiny for allowing it … Idk , guess it shows , she’s the manipulator also Xander is a prick! So , I think the only one that actually gave a crap about her crazy ass was ,Haim and Leah . Joss was all about the fame , didn’t care who she stepped on . Leah leaving and Joss never even reading that letter sucked ! I wanted to know what she wrote !
so many questions in the end. what happened to leia? what is written in that letter she left for jocelyn? how come everyone went from being complete cyborgs for tedros to just not even talking to him? wasn't he portrayed to be this master manipulator that would go to any extent to make people do what he says? he barely put any fight since Rob appeared, and they made us think tedros was being worked up to the point where he would try doing something like he did to his ex wife. but no, he just went from this untouchable tyrant god to this good for nothing junkie. AND THEN they bring him back like nothing happened. Was the filled out show a success? We don't know. what leverage does dyanne have now? is she just there because she's jennie kim? like, we don't know how deep her relationship with tedros is, we don't know if she feels bad or good for stealing jocelyns song with the label, we do know that she just gets sent off but her face is literally expresionless, we dont know if shes sad, angry, planning revenge, nothing. What happened to Rob after the allegations? we don't know. what happens when jocelyn finds out xander was the one who took the photo of rob now that he's on the team? literally so many loose ends. TEDROS COMING BACK LIKE THIS DOESN'T MAKE ANY SENSE AT ALL. honestly, the show didn't bore me at all, and i'd be a hypocrite if i just jumped on the wagon, but man come on there's still so much unanswered stuff for a season finale.
I'm a true weeknd fan...and believe me I never really was into this project from the very beginning. I mean seriously the trailer was enough to portray abel...why can't people start their career in acting in a normal role. Why trying a groundbreaking entry and suddenly grabbing spotlight has become a trend now for all newcomers. Shame on y'all people. Why Jennie, why troye? Why weeknd? just why lily?
Joss needed the toxicity of terdros to continue her career. This ending was horrible it left so much open to questions. I was digging the show up until this episode. The twist was after she realized the manipulation, she then turned the tables.
I think it would've been better if Tedros was denied entry to the concert and never saw Jocelyn again. And then we see Joss being the leader of the cult...but the whole thing that she says he is the love of his life and that her mom's ab*se was a lie? Wtf
I need someone to mention the brush abuse. And how if it was a lie Jocelyn told, why Xander, Leia, and everyone else went along with the lie..like someone please explain how the fuck that makes sense?
Also caught off guard, because Jocelyn did not know that they had set that man up for rape so in the beginning her acting strange towards Tedros was very off we just was an episode. They were happy, and he was letting her get free done by another man now she’s called him a drunk and doesn’t wanna be around him. What happened in between that time there’s such a huge gap.
5:20, The "Little red hood" wasn't just a nod to the story. It was a nod to the confidence she had when tedros wrapped her head in her dress in episode 1. This is when Tedros returns. She brought him with her.
A woman wouldn't have written a cautionary tale about the industry with some bullshit outcomes like this. I'm almost positive I've written something closer to the original idea, although Dyanne wasn't in the script yet: "the industry/label tries to pit the two women against each other, but they're still friends despite industry pressure to compete. Jocelyn deals with cult influences, pressure from her management to go on tour, and grieving her mother. They end up fighting and Dyanne almost takes Jocelyn's song, but ends up declining in the end after quietly exposing Tedros to Jocelyn. Jocelyn then starts to act differently in Episode 5 and begins to take back control from Tedros after retracing his steps and understanding his manipulative tactics, and begins to gain her own confidence and creative energy in the process." An episode being cut out and making Jocelyn look like a "mastermind" makes zero sense for her character.
Going by at what Abel hinted during a live I interview with Zane Lowe is that hes done with the show permanently so I'm thinking this is the reason for deading all the characters to their worst so that NO ONE can miss them cus this show is never coming back Abel sounded very sure of this.
I felt the negative press for this show was way overblown, I kinda didnt mind it, I hoped it was going somewhere. HOWEVER, that finale was so bad I am just blown away. Genuinely awful, poor writing, terrible acting, and just utterly bizarre. Nothing makes any sense. The showcase scene was hilarious, I thought the team were just playing along with it as clearly it was awful, but no, they loved it. The scene when her manager ect were cackling over the demise of Tedros was weird as hell.
Bruh that shit was perfect the triple crossing shows what Hollywood actually is just business no one is friends and can’t you tell tedros is playing the weeknd that why all the songs on the idol album are from the perspective of tedros talking about joslyn tedros thought he made a superstar when in actuality he did nothing the idol (joslyn) made him 💡
I don’t think is so bad. At the end she uses everyone making them think she is fragile, mentally unstable and manipulative or stupid but she is not. Even Tedros realized at the end that the strongest was her, he just surrendered. The brush at the end is the proved, she let him to cross all the lines because she needed to get better music as she wish from the beginning, she uses everything and everyone for the product, her music and herself. And that’s the disturbing thing, the stereotype story is that the poor artist is the victim and everyone around takes advantage from her, this series changed that from the opposite direction. They all are “wolves”, people without moral, this is why Leia leaves at the end because she is still “human”.
Does that make you feel different about the real female popstars that inspired this show? People will probably speculate about how much "truth" is in there and it feels very tabloid-ish to me.
Time frame is off, but, I think that was the point…these people will turn on a dime! They’re all scheming and plotting…none of them are likable characters. No wonder it was being compared to Succession. I like how you couldn’t tell who was the real/ultimate manipulator, until the end. Josselyn was cool! I liked that she ended up being the puppet master pulling all the strings.
Im just hope that this gets rachel sennot a big boost, she was great the show and in bodies bodies bodies, besides that this episode was just weird, and my opinion boring. Like i lost interest in listening to 4 singers in a row and only thought to of them were good.
They said Tedros was her muse after the episode. At the start she wanted to get her mojo back and be a bad girl…. She wasn’t mad at Tedros because she also used him and once he came clean accepting the badge under his real name everything was forgiven. She actually did like him and said she wanted to be a bad girl so maybe that’s why she brought him out on stage after he was exposed.
My big issue is, okay, fine, you don't have to send a positive message if the person whose POV you are observing is a garbage human. But that only works IF THE STORY IS GOOD. Period. Antiheroes or even straight up villain lead characters can be fun and can teach us a lot about ourselves, but they have to be built correctly. Lolita wasn't a book about a good guy falling in love with someone he was totally okay to be in a relationship with... yet the book's message from him was that what he was doing was totally okay. The reader knows better. The viewer knowing better in this case isn't because of the writers' intentions but IN SPITE of them. That's just bad writing...
I only saw the first episode so I've been relying on UA-cam reviews like this one to know how the show's going. And judging by what I've heard, the only explanation I have for why The Idol is like that is the writers were all on drugs.
This show was so poorly written and thought out that it's comical at this point. I think it should've ended with Nikki still deciding to push Dyanne as a pop star alongside Jocelyn. This would create a competitive dynamic between the two of them and have them be pit against each other by the media. Given their history together, and both of their connections to Tedros, I think this would be really interesting. In this scenario I think Tedros should leave Jocelyn to help Dyanne's rising career as retaliation. I think this would set the stage for season 2 to revolve more around Jocelyn and Dyanne. I would also get rid of the whole Jocelyn villain arch they're trying to do, because it's so unnecessary. She doesn't have to be the perfect victim but she doesn't have to be manipulative and borderline psychotic either.
5 hours of story telling and we still know NOTHING about any of these charachters. They're just there, singing stupid songs and being naked. What a gigantic mess. I feel sorry for LRD
I think it's telling an inside story about the entertainment industry that if you haven't done your research about the producers/artists you wouldn't know anything about. There's a message about it. It made total sense to me and I'm bummed that they'll not be returning.
See the STORY is supposed to do the research. Everyone is just too stupid to understand the complexity of this issue then?? The game of Faust is as old as time and yes we understand that mess.( I know you don't understand what that means so google it please) This series was basically a sex tape and WHY the plot is ridiculous. Not the world is too stupid to get it.🤪 Your hilarious and obviously got really into the sicko sex scenes
The only thing this show managed to do was make me a fan of Suzanna Son lol. A show with this premise had a ton of potential but was five hours that I wish I had back.
The show was poorly written. It almost felt like they came up with the ending last minute. Most of what happened was really not well explained and Jocelyn becoming the villain at the end was confusing. So many plot holes that I don’t think I even care at this point. Sadly I’m disappointed don’t think I would want to watch a second season
if yall wanna watch the show, its basically just a traumatized girl gets a guy who hypes and manipulates her and thats it. i actually liked euphoria better even if it had a cut-off ending since it shows so many connections and twists but this one shows a twist that twists back lmao but tbh i liked how scared tedros in the end because he knows that she OWNS her now and she'll probably abuse him. i rather have him dead tbh i had so many ways in my head
So Tedros framed Rob accusing him of rape, Joccelyn got furious and had him paid off so he can walk away from her life once and for all and then the ending she says she misses Tedros and declares him the love of her life at her concert tour. I've seen better scripts on the Bold and Beautiful. This was horrendous.
I wish they would’ve kept the 6th episode , this episode was mainly singing & they’re all talented but it got boring . Jocelyn basically got Tedros now , she’s got him trapped & he abused her based on her lies .. I wanted to love this because I genuinely love Lily Rose , just another overhyped soft core porno flick pretty much 🤦🏻♀️
Maybe this show will end after the first season but that probably won't stop Levinson in making more stuff like this. Depends if the HBO executives still trust him or not, i hope not
I mean you can't really explain things that don't add up.... like her not wanting to speak about her trauma when they all had dinner but then going public immediately when Tedros said she should, to in the end it turning into something she apparently made up (the hair brush scene), or her going from having a break down at her video shoot to being the mastermind who outsmarted the pimp and planned it all... even the idea of using him for inspiration... how would it actually be inspiration if you did it on purpose and plan it... that's not how inspiration works... It seems more like when Sam took over the left pieces of the old plot and added his own, turned her into a villian without properly revising the beginning.
I’m constantly amazed how little story the show achieved with 5 hours worth of time. So many storylines doesn’t go anywhere, characters just changing up their behaviors from one scene to another. Writing and pacing was terrible, some scenes go on for way too long and the little red riding hood metaphor makes no sense towards the story. I can’t believe after dreading with the super long performance scene, Jocelyn doesn’t even perform? Like the whole team is there to see her give a great performance to show them that she can sell tickets and all she did was a strip tease?? how does that convince Andrew that she can sell out a stadium?? The show’s messages are all over the place. One minute they’re saying pop music is shallow, next they’re saying sex sells? Tedros being painted as this victim falling in love with the wrong girl and Jocelyn being this master manipulator is just complete bullshit and misogynistic. Would’ve love to see Leia finally stood up for herself or have one last scene with Joce before she quit, but that didn’t even happen. This show had potential, but it was just buried with so many unnecessary things. But i guess i shouldn’t expect more from Sam Levinson
Yes!! The issues are glaringly obvious-to that my brain melts even more how much the cast/Sam are protecting it as if that helps their reputations. I can’t imagine being Lily in this situation-I would lose it if a different story was set by a female, then cut and destroyed by Sam making all of it for nothing because it doesn’t even make sense. The unnecessary moments of her character minimize many moments of incredible work she put in. I just can’t get over it 😵💫
@bellareid3488 yeah but at least we don't have to seee anymore of this toxic relationship and I wish he was dead but if Jocelyn lied about her mom abusing her did she torture izaac for nothing (idk how to write his name)
This review is SPOT ON. This is the WORST show and finale I've seen in a while. It felt as cheap as a movie using the "It was all a dream" trope to tie up loose ends the writers were too stupid to flesh out.
@@itsnoneofyourbusiness0ok! So I’m not the only one that’s lost?! Cause was this guy a cult leader?! Who exactly was using who in the end? Did they let Rob take the wrap for that crime? What was in Leila’s letter? Did Joss lie about her abuse? Too many questions.
@shaenicole5719 yes yes I am lost too that's why they should've done 6 episodes but I honestly thought leila was pregnant or sick or got a good job opportunity but I have to knoooow lol
Genuinely one of the worst shows I’ve ever watched. She literally pays her manager to make him go away forever and 5 minutes later she introduces him to the crowd as the love of her life 🤦🏼♂️. The whole Rob storyline was unnecessary and ridiculous, we don’t know what happened to her bff lackey , she just leaves a note and bounces. I think the reaction of Hank Azaria’s character at the very end when Tedros came out on stage was how I felt about the series as a whole, like… what? I get the whole power dynamic switch that was supposed to be a huge reveal with the new brush and all that but none of it made any sense and just made the show even worse than I thought going into this episode. Absolutely horrible 🤦🏼♂️
I honestly feel sorry for Lily Rose. She was really good in this and I’m sure she thought this was her moment- but the show just fell flat. I hope she isn’t beating herself up too much because overall, her performance was the best part of this show.
i feel bad for her when you know what the show originally was before sam. it seemed different and a lot of it was even filmed (but cut). i would hate to be an actor getting on a high promising show just for some director to get on and make it just porn with a choppy storyline
The fact that they portrayed Leia as someone that could potentially bring the cult down and actually do some change but ultimately did nothing is bothering me too much. And then they did that sad scene where she left Jocelyn like we're supposed to feel sorry even though we never got to know the character and their relationship in depth. Also, where tf does she go? They just abandoned her character in the end but that's on brand for the show, I guess...
@@demi8890i mean yeah but realistically no ending for any of the characters was good. The least we could’ve got was a reaction from joss abt leia leaving or what she wrote in the letter the whole thing was just disappointing
@@demi8890 Of course she wasn't gonna be a star, she never wanted to either. All I'm saying is: if we were to feel happy for her escaping (debatable) or getting away from the cult, then they should've made us care about her by getting to know her character which we never got to.
@@raihanasal4968 Exactly!!! Why would you pan to and zoom into the letter if we were never getting to know what she wrote anyways? Honestly this show just feels like they are constantly having ideas, executing them halfway and then literally just abandoning what they wanted to do in the first place. So frustrating.
@@bingoing sam levinson is an absolute mess tbh, euphoria season 1 was so good but it seems like after that he’s just become lazy. Since he’s got the budget and success ( his shows got a lot of viewers and attention) he’s able to create whatever he wants really and he has the budget. He’s sort of abused his power and whatever he makes is overly explicit and unnecessary and the plot just gets worse and increasingly non existent each time. Euphoria season 2 he was pushing the limits with the nudity but atleast it had a few stand out good parts with an okayly satisfying ending, but the idol.. its just a bigger step down and an ultimate failure. Imagine teasing a show for an entire year just to create 5 episodes with a directionless plot and a forgettable ending. I cant even explain how bad it was and its definitely the worst tv show ive watched ever.
so basically tedros : ep 1-4 *a chuuni abusive cult "leader"* ep 5 *feel bad for me now* jocelyn: ep1-4 *emotional wreck* ep5 *sike* idk why the rest of the big names were even there 🤣
You should make a video about all the plot holes and confusing things that just didn’t make sense in this show! Like how did Tedros not end up going to prison for years? Why did Joss even want him back? Why was Zander down to go on tour with Joss after she straight up tortured him? Why did Nikki want to team up with Tedros after he verbally berated her in front of everyone? So many things just did not end up, felt like the story was going in a million different directions for no reason
@@artiezonkt wasn't that she lied about abuse. It was that abuse was her motivation and it was a proverbial passing of the baton to give Tedros a new brush because now he would be the one to apply the punishment to her. Willingly.
The point of her buying the brush FOR him is that SHE now has the control over him. Look at him scoffing at first when she confirms it's new, then slowly realising that he's now under her. And the stage scene jut confirms it, i mean you couldn't make it more obvious with her using his SM line 'now go stand over there' etc. I kinda liked the concept and the idea but Tedros being a lost puppy at the end kinda left a sour taste in my mouth
My friend and I tried watching this and we couldn't believe how young they coded the girl from the cult. She's supposed to be 17 but they had her literally skip everywhere, act extremely naive (the "woah, does she live in a hotel??? I never saw a house with a pool!!!!" line), and she was hyperactive and playing dress up like a kid. The hair/makeup/styling too. Then they immediately have her get naked and watch the main couple while they were in bed? Just disgusting. Wtf.
@@JukeboxWithJay yeah thats what i mean, even in euphoria they are all 15 - 17 and in actual school yet they are all naked and seducing older men ! .. why not make them in college like ...
If you look back at the trailers before the episodes started rolling out you can see that some scenes were cut, even the "Rolling Stone did we upset you?" scene was cut
Did anyone else catch how Finklestein or whatever his name was, after Joss finishes her performance, refers to his “parental feelings/vibe” for Joss right after he announces he should have changed his shorts. Wtf?
Whose side was Xander and Nikki on all along? What did they do to Tedros after he was taken away? Why did Destiny become so passive and not say anything when they were all sitting together? Wasnt she there to kill Tedros in the first place? Why were they really there to meet her? Why did the Jew guy switch so suddenly and support that nonsense? and why not save some of that 'gang-rapey' shit for the actual show? Man this show is utter shame and a waste of all resources.
@@bees.857it was Tedros idea. He manipulated Xander so he could f*ck up Rob (who was f*cking his girl), but only could do it because Xander wanted to mess with Joss (by hurting her ex and close friend)
@@bees.857exactly, i think they just added rob to let us see that xander got manipulated. idk its weird because a24 made this and a24 never disappoints!! (i mean they made euphoria, everything everwhere all at once, the whale, pearl, midsommar and more)
Exception for her " performance it was dare I say, too sexy for the lyrics and just not necessary as most of her ass being shown was throughout the series.
The show over all had a weird pacing issue. Apparently there was going to be a total of SIX episodes but during editing the probaly realised that only had enough to use for 5. Which is probably why the cast/ crew wanted a another season.
Totally agree with everything you said! The scene where everyone showed off their talents to Joss' team was way too long, when it could have been a 5 minute scene where they showed how impressed they were and that would have been better, in my opinion. And the show would have had more time to develop other things, like the part about Leia LEAVING Joss !!!!!! I needed a scene with the two of them talking, Leia saying that she can't take it anymore and seeing Joss' reaction, I don't know. I was also expecting MORE from Tedros; to me, his personality changed overnight. I feel like Joss sleeping with her ex affected him like he was in love with her or something, and he clearly wasn't. I get that it's about his ego, but still. I don't know, to me, his downfall was underwhelming, I feel like he didn't suffer that much to be acting down bad like that lmao (before Joss' team ruining his reputation). And about the ending, I think they wanted to have this big plot twist but, to me at least, didn't feel like it. And then the credits rolled after a weird shot lol. I don't know, I kind of liked the show overall, I loved the cinematography and Lily's performance, but I didn't like the finale at all. I guess it's an open finale to then add a second season, but no one knows if that will happen or not.
I thought succession was really great and TLOU, plus Velma wasn’t made by hbo, But this show was really disappointing. But at least people are talking about it instead of that woody Harrelson show.
To say this show was bad is too generous, it was fantastically awful. No character is likable, nothing made sense and idk wtf I just watched? Like seriously, WTF was that?
I don't have the words to describe how bad this show is. None of my friends have watched it and I can't communicate to them the trauma I just experienced for this horrific TV show. How on earth did it get made
The Idol is a show that I definitely feel had bags of potential in it, so it is a shame that it never really picked a route and decided to roll with it, or even handle the more serious subject matters. What did you think of the season finale? Comment your thoughts below!
I feel like with this episode and it being the finale so many confusing messages about abuse and the victims of abuse are being sent out and the audience is not interpreting it the right way either. I know the episode just aired but so many people online are now writing off the abuse that Jocelyn endured from her mother even though her whole team corroborated it because of what she did to Tedros. Saying she made it all up.
Now with these last two episodes the show is trying to to make us feel sympathy for his terrible character. Not mention Robs career being the casualty of these two, and it not being clear if Joss purposely invited him over to not only have Tedros do something to him but to get back at him for cheating.
@@mazonc11 Yes, people are like "Joss is the real villain", or "she is as worse as him" when he literally tortured an ex girlfriend for 3 days.
You said it, it had a lot of potential. For example that one actor - The Weeknd - was totaly underused. He would have made a great backround character or an even greater extra.
@@mazonc11I found it confusing about her mother too but I can assume her mother was controlling but didn’t actually beat her with a hairbrush
If she made up up the abuse, how come Xander and Leia went along with it?
Was she the one that sought Tedros instead of the other way around?
The Idol's 'empowering' message was that women are responsible for the abuse they suffer.
And in the end, she's still with a rat tailed loser.
@@demi8890Dude everyone got the 'message'. I don't get why all these big brains are trying to EXPLAIN the show like we don't know. We GET IT, it just sucks
@@demi8890Even with that though, just making the actress being objectified and showing off her body regardless if it was intentional or not and putting her character in these weird scenarios just to bamboozle us at the end that she was the bad guy all along, not only did it feel forced but it also felt misogynistic on the writers (mostly for sam and the weeknd) while also undermining what Tedros does to her.
i just woke up, so forgive me if i said anything wrong here
What the fuck was the message?
@@demi8890just stop...
Smile because It ended
Cry because it happened
Laugh because it failed
😂😅
Cringe because I watched it.
🥂
Joss being the villain only works if she’s a well-written character in the first place.
What we got is that she’s always victimized by everyone else around her. There’s no character or foundation outside her trauma that will make Joss being the bad guy believable.
And Weeknd becoming a true victim in the end sends really weird message to the audience.
Yeah, those people abused a poor girl but they are right because the girl is the bad guy all along. Maybe we need Amy Seimetz cut like the Snydercut of this show for more female aka more Jocelyn’s perspective.
She wasn't the villain,though. She got the control she was struggling to have in the beginning, how is that villainous?
Pretty much explains selena gomez
"Joss being the villain only works if she’s a well-written character in the first place." She's a mess.... Then again, I watched all this for Dyanne.
@@mahika8603 do you think, this is inspire it by selena gomez and the weekend experience? And the way she use him...?
@@ivideszatigny4163 yes, the way jocelyn cheated on tedros w rob its giving dejavu of justin and selena gomez, selena did cheat on Abel its true but she ofc didnt get back w Abel but yes that part gives a lot of deja vu about their relationship and its kind of obvious how selena used justin for inspiration, if she loved justin beiber so much she would ofc said yes to the marriage but justin was like her one fav ex, her obsession and inspiration, which tedros is for jocelyn, jocelyn plays victim card a lot so does selena and both are manipulative so it's pretty much giving selena gomez
Leah leaving and joss not even reacting left me speechless
Yeah, considering how close they were!
She used her until she didn’t need her anymore
Weirdest part is that she only owned a black purse and instead of taking her chlotes she took a picture? Hmmm
Going by at what Abel hinted during a live I interview with Zane Lowe is that hes done with the show permanently so I'm thinking this is the reason for deading all the characters to their worst so that NO ONE can miss them cus this show is never coming back Abel sounded very sure of this.
@@natgonzzashe had a suitcase
I just hope HBO would stop trusting Sam Levinson, he's not as good as what the HBO people think he is. They went from The Last of Us to Succession to Barry to this is just embarassing
Sam Levinson did a great job with the show.
@@ericimi He did a great job ruining himself that's for sure
@@demi8890Sam, is that you? 😂
You don’t have to be a screen writer to have an opinion on the quality of a show. This show was arguably bad.
I do agree This is us is a disaster . As for the other 2 I couldn’t get thru the first episodes.
Yeah, it's a shame, since Euphoria is actually a terrific show
if they cut out the unnecessary sex scenes and overly long performances, replacing them with character development, the show could have made more sense.
again the plot WAS her hole! So there is no sex tape without the sex scenes-right? -sicko beat off king will be the only ones watching this- like those creepy old men that used to go to Brittany concerts
You can definitely feel there were 2 different stories packed into one. It was choppy, the pace was inconsistent, and although the premise is interesting and there are some fun parts, the watching experience was too frustrating for me to continue to see it.
Exactly it had so much potential just to leave us disappointed.
Joss taking Tedros back so publicly does not make sense. He is radioactive now! Does she want to succeed or she killed her career on purpose? This is not an ambiguous kind of situation. It is just terrible writing!!!!
shes a mess also she wanted to show Tedros and all her managers that she is the one in charge
Considering that she called him "a sweaty, drunken, fucking pathetic mess" 😂oh she was done DONE with Tredros😂
She literally tells Chaim she never wants to see Tedros again, then turns around and invites Tedros back like?? I am so confused here
@@angxlchlo I think it was an awkward last attempt to portray their relationship as “romantic”
Yeah, I can’t imagine any benefit for her to publicly declare her love for someone who was *just* exposed to the media as a violent cult-leading pimp.
The worst part about The Idol for me is that it's actually a really good story on paper.
A child star on her own for the first time after her abusive mother dies finds herself feeling empty and lost spiritually/musically until she gets with another abuser and together starts making the best music of her career. However the abuser alienates her from her friends and even sabotages her ex which causes Joss to break up with him. Joss however now feels that emptiness more than ever since she has no one to trust and believes the abuser is the only reason her music was any good, so she takes him back and wants him to keep abusing her. Part of this is me interpreting what the brush at the end implies, for me I felt the interpretation of it being a new brush she bought for Tedros to use felt better for the story.
To me that's a pretty good story about how people can be put into these cycles of abuse because of the emptiness you feel after it's over and the self worth the abuser gives you. It's a universal theme told from a not so universal character. To me that works so well. Abuse can happen to anybody and anyone can fall into the cycle of craving that abuse when they don't quite make the adjustment to "normalcy." The Idol could've tackled that with the full weight and subtlety needed to make it work. The problem is that the focus was more put onto graphic scenes and propping up every character that wasn't Joss. This meant less time to develop Joss and so every development felt rushed and this genuine great plot got diluted to a "watch it for the plot" joke.
Joss was never abused she made up everything
@@Lilyyyyeeeyywe know, she's writing another story that makes more sense with what they showed
That would've been soooo much better than the trash we actually got 😩
So joclyn needed tedrose so she can be abused for inspiration.
that's quite literally the dumbest shit I've ever heard lmfao
Exactly, thats the ending in summary
Maybe I’m dumb asf but since Jocelyn was lying about her abuse, why did xander say he remembered it???
You're not dumb asf. The show is. That and many other contradictions are why the finale literally makes no sense lol.
Thank you!!! It seemed like everyone understood it happened, so how was that suddenly a lie??
maybe just the brush thing wasn’t real? idk man this show is weird af
@@c-chubi I’m assuming she lied about the brush thing
Exactly! None of this story adds up.
I kept hitting the 10 second forward button on my remote…Tedros was like an annoying flea the whole episode. I was yelling at the TV as to why he kept staying around. The concert filming venue being at the After Hours till Dawn was such a distraction for me.
The choppy nature and the "brushing" over things 👀 I live for details like this.
Glad somebody spotted it haha
Did not like this finale, the last 10-15 minutes cemented it for me as now we are led to believe that Jocelyn was the manipulator and Tedros is the victim??!? How were we suppose to take this show seriously and what was the point of it
They could be both manipulative in their own ways and Jocelyn could be seen as an enabler of his abuse towards her friends & staff members (se*ual harassment, drug abuse, torture). But did anybody do him wrong?
@@nehalilisays Interesting point.
Despite being an underwhelming finale, I somehow found a sense of understanding of where this show wanted to take me. When Jocelynn broke down Tedros by humiliating him, I felt that. My mother was verbally abusive and my father violent and (oversharing sorry) when I met people I loved, there was never a time, I didn't want to hurt them as much as possible just to see if they'll stick around, it's something I struggle with today. Hurting someone just to see if they'll leave me or not want me and Tedros not taking the money showed her he wasn't there for the money and that's why she brought him back. She put him through the pain he put her through (even though she allowed him to). It's F'd up but am ashamed that part of their dynamic got to me. The rest can go to hell, it was very useless.
oh come on, there was nothing deep or intentional about this show
@@Sydwiz9999 I didn't ask you to agree with me, you can "oh come on" as much as you want but my two cents will stay right there.
This series exposes who Sam Levinson actually is than the themes that it tries to tackle. Everyone who worked on this series should be ashamed of themselves
I need Amy’s version really bad
The show its not that bad yall are being too harsh, write your own show if its so easy. It aint easy to create but its easy to criticise.
So much potential lost 🤦♀️
Yeah it's a shame!
The abuse from her mother was real, but the abuse from Tedros was set up, jocelyn want to be hurt to make herself feel alive to make better music. So she faked her way into a contract by tricking the company to kick Tedros out of the his earnings and power over her contract even thou he was the one to bring it to life…but the music was real and the pain was real !
This show seemed like toooo fast and toooo slow at the same time
If you didn't pick up on one of the final scenes in the last episode with the famous hair brush, none of the power play by Joss in the first half of the episode makes sense. Its is supposed to be the 'light bulb moment' for the audience when she looks over her shoulder and gives that devilish grin like "It was me". And this was ironic because in the scene where the artists are doing their show case for the producers, her tour manager refers to Tedros as "Kaiser Soze". Remember that Kaiser Soze was the weak and handicapped character who turned out to be in fact not handicapped, but a villian with a different voice and personality altogether in Usual suspects. That was foreshadowing because there was a kaiser soze in the room but it wasn't Tedros, it was Jocelyn. Jocelyn is Kaiser Soze.
Where this show went wrong (among many other things), is it seems like a large part of the show was written before they decided to take it in this direction? Probably because if they reverse-engineered it, it would have been less than a shock...but similar to Dan being Gossip girl in Gossip Girl 2009, if you look for evidence of this in previous episodes it just doesn't make sense.
I'm so disappointed in the finale! You are so right. It made no sense that it did seem like something was missing, and it was just confusing and no real ending. Thank you for the video. I was feeling like am I losing my mind. This makes no freaking sense!!
Glad you enjoyed the video! It's a shame because the show definitely had potential!
@BrainPilot it had so much potential. I thought it was going to be a great series, but it just went downhill and made no sense.
its these good plots that sam levinson leaves behind, like what happened to dyanne? leia? why did jocelyn get back with tedros? why did destiny let them meet? wtf man
THE ROB STORYLINE MADE NO SENSEEE OMG
She changed directions on him in the previous episode when she broke from his spell, realizing he planned it all from the start when the young singer revealed his intentions when she was on Molly.
I just don’t understand the finale. Like at all. She lied about her abuse? Why? He couldn’t see it was a new hairbrush episodes back? Why does she still love Tedros? What was the point of her ex boyfriend and framing him? Dyanne’s character was pointless. Why did Leia leave? They spent half the episode on random songs from Tedros’s cult that advanced the show in no way. Overall, I was hoping it would end with a plot twist but this was just stupid.
*I don’t think Jocelyn should’ve taken* the psychopath cult members on tour with her.. Chloe is the only one who should’ve gone with her.. Izaak was especially manipulative
Yeah, it made sense for Chloe to go!
why it's awful? They let a musician be a writer and producer when he doesn't know what he's doing even in his own industry. Just look at that stage set up for his Superbowl halftime show, ffs. Most of the cost for that came out of his own pocket and it's one of the worst Superbowl performances ever. Why they would give him reigns on a show is beyond me. We can't even blame a lack of writers. This started back in 2021--the same year he did the Superbowl halftime show.
I might be the only but I really enjoyed it. I was hooked from the 1st episode. Yes, it has things that could be improved but it was enjoyable overall.
Tedros did not deserve a happy ending
Spoilers:
In the end when Jocelyn brought Tedro to the stage to show to the crowd. When her managers were like WTF. That's me, I share the same reaction with them.
From a narrative standpoint i could get behind jos being victimaized her whole life. She learns that to get what you want you have to be calculating and cruel. So her becoming manipulative and mean makes sense. But if the show had 10 episodes and good acting from everyone, then itd make more sense and work. This show doesnt work. And no, im not the camp that thinks women cant be both a victim at one time and a perp at another. People like that do exist.
I’m still lost ! But , the fact she took that idiot back was just disgusting! Especially after all Haim did for her . I was very disappointed in Destiny for allowing it … Idk , guess it shows , she’s the manipulator also Xander is a prick! So , I think the only one that actually gave a crap about her crazy ass was ,Haim and Leah . Joss was all about the fame , didn’t care who she stepped on . Leah leaving and Joss never even reading that letter sucked ! I wanted to know what she wrote !
Some women like toxicity. This show was based on Kanye.
i watched the whole series and i still don’t know what it’s about
so many questions in the end. what happened to leia? what is written in that letter she left for jocelyn? how come everyone went from being complete cyborgs for tedros to just not even talking to him? wasn't he portrayed to be this master manipulator that would go to any extent to make people do what he says? he barely put any fight since Rob appeared, and they made us think tedros was being worked up to the point where he would try doing something like he did to his ex wife. but no, he just went from this untouchable tyrant god to this good for nothing junkie. AND THEN they bring him back like nothing happened. Was the filled out show a success? We don't know. what leverage does dyanne have now? is she just there because she's jennie kim? like, we don't know how deep her relationship with tedros is, we don't know if she feels bad or good for stealing jocelyns song with the label, we do know that she just gets sent off but her face is literally expresionless, we dont know if shes sad, angry, planning revenge, nothing. What happened to Rob after the allegations? we don't know. what happens when jocelyn finds out xander was the one who took the photo of rob now that he's on the team? literally so many loose ends. TEDROS COMING BACK LIKE THIS DOESN'T MAKE ANY SENSE AT ALL. honestly, the show didn't bore me at all, and i'd be a hypocrite if i just jumped on the wagon, but man come on there's still so much unanswered stuff for a season finale.
I'm a true weeknd fan...and believe me I never really was into this project from the very beginning. I mean seriously the trailer was enough to portray abel...why can't people start their career in acting in a normal role. Why trying a groundbreaking entry and suddenly grabbing spotlight has become a trend now for all newcomers. Shame on y'all people. Why Jennie, why troye? Why weeknd? just why lily?
Joss needed the toxicity of terdros to continue her career. This ending was horrible it left so much open to questions. I was digging the show up until this episode. The twist was after she realized the manipulation, she then turned the tables.
I think it would've been better if Tedros was denied entry to the concert and never saw Jocelyn again. And then we see Joss being the leader of the cult...but the whole thing that she says he is the love of his life and that her mom's ab*se was a lie? Wtf
What was the background song Mike Dean was playing on piano at the meeting?
I need someone to mention the brush abuse. And how if it was a lie Jocelyn told, why Xander, Leia, and everyone else went along with the lie..like someone please explain how the fuck that makes sense?
The Weeknd’s ego is just as bad as The Rock’s.
Also caught off guard, because Jocelyn did not know that they had set that man up for rape so in the beginning her acting strange towards Tedros was very off we just was an episode. They were happy, and he was letting her get free done by another man now she’s called him a drunk and doesn’t wanna be around him. What happened in between that time there’s such a huge gap.
I regret spending my precious time watching the final episode, what was that?
5:20, The "Little red hood" wasn't just a nod to the story. It was a nod to the confidence she had when tedros wrapped her head in her dress in episode 1. This is when Tedros returns. She brought him with her.
A woman wouldn't have written a cautionary tale about the industry with some bullshit outcomes like this. I'm almost positive I've written something closer to the original idea, although Dyanne wasn't in the script yet:
"the industry/label tries to pit the two women against each other, but they're still friends despite industry pressure to compete. Jocelyn deals with cult influences, pressure from her management to go on tour, and grieving her mother. They end up fighting and Dyanne almost takes Jocelyn's song, but ends up declining in the end after quietly exposing Tedros to Jocelyn. Jocelyn then starts to act differently in Episode 5 and begins to take back control from Tedros after retracing his steps and understanding his manipulative tactics, and begins to gain her own confidence and creative energy in the process."
An episode being cut out and making Jocelyn look like a "mastermind" makes zero sense for her character.
I didn’t hate it as much as everyone else. Idk Jocelyn enetered her boss B era.
Going by at what Abel hinted during a live I interview with Zane Lowe is that hes done with the show permanently so I'm thinking this is the reason for deading all the characters to their worst so that NO ONE can miss them cus this show is never coming back Abel sounded very sure of this.
I felt the negative press for this show was way overblown, I kinda didnt mind it, I hoped it was going somewhere. HOWEVER, that finale was so bad I am just blown away. Genuinely awful, poor writing, terrible acting, and just utterly bizarre. Nothing makes any sense. The showcase scene was hilarious, I thought the team were just playing along with it as clearly it was awful, but no, they loved it. The scene when her manager ect were cackling over the demise of Tedros was weird as hell.
Bruh that shit was perfect the triple crossing shows what Hollywood actually is just business no one is friends and can’t you tell tedros is playing the weeknd that why all the songs on the idol album are from the perspective of tedros talking about joslyn tedros thought he made a superstar when in actuality he did nothing the idol (joslyn) made him 💡
I found it funny that Nikki and Tedros were wearing similar shirts
I don’t think is so bad. At the end she uses everyone making them think she is fragile, mentally unstable and manipulative or stupid but she is not. Even Tedros realized at the end that the strongest was her, he just surrendered. The brush at the end is the proved, she let him to cross all the lines because she needed to get better music as she wish from the beginning, she uses everything and everyone for the product, her music and herself. And that’s the disturbing thing, the stereotype story is that the poor artist is the victim and everyone around takes advantage from her, this series changed that from the opposite direction.
They all are “wolves”, people without moral, this is why Leia leaves at the end because she is still “human”.
Does that make you feel different about the real female popstars that inspired this show? People will probably speculate about how much "truth" is in there and it feels very tabloid-ish to me.
Time frame is off, but, I think that was the point…these people will turn on a dime!
They’re all scheming and plotting…none of them are likable characters. No wonder it was being compared to Succession.
I like how you couldn’t tell who was the real/ultimate manipulator, until the end. Josselyn was cool! I liked that she ended up being the puppet master pulling all the strings.
Im just hope that this gets rachel sennot a big boost, she was great the show and in bodies bodies bodies, besides that this episode was just weird, and my opinion boring. Like i lost interest in listening to 4 singers in a row and only thought to of them were good.
They said Tedros was her muse after the episode. At the start she wanted to get her mojo back and be a bad girl…. She wasn’t mad at Tedros because she also used him and once he came clean accepting the badge under his real name everything was forgiven. She actually did like him and said she wanted to be a bad girl so maybe that’s why she brought him out on stage after he was exposed.
My big issue is, okay, fine, you don't have to send a positive message if the person whose POV you are observing is a garbage human. But that only works IF THE STORY IS GOOD. Period. Antiheroes or even straight up villain lead characters can be fun and can teach us a lot about ourselves, but they have to be built correctly.
Lolita wasn't a book about a good guy falling in love with someone he was totally okay to be in a relationship with... yet the book's message from him was that what he was doing was totally okay. The reader knows better. The viewer knowing better in this case isn't because of the writers' intentions but IN SPITE of them. That's just bad writing...
I only saw the first episode so I've been relying on UA-cam reviews like this one to know how the show's going. And judging by what I've heard, the only explanation I have for why The Idol is like that is the writers were all on drugs.
I'm not sure what I just watched. It didn't go anywhere, we didn't get anybody's background story, the end was totally confusing to me.
Jocelyn took total control in the end.
She did indeed!
I thought tedros was going to kill joss on stage…. It would have be shock value and tie in with tragic Hollywood and cult mentality..
This show was so poorly written and thought out that it's comical at this point.
I think it should've ended with Nikki still deciding to push Dyanne as a pop star alongside Jocelyn. This would create a competitive dynamic between the two of them and have them be pit against each other by the media. Given their history together, and both of their connections to Tedros, I think this would be really interesting. In this scenario I think Tedros should leave Jocelyn to help Dyanne's rising career as retaliation. I think this would set the stage for season 2 to revolve more around Jocelyn and Dyanne.
I would also get rid of the whole Jocelyn villain arch they're trying to do, because it's so unnecessary. She doesn't have to be the perfect victim but she doesn't have to be manipulative and borderline psychotic either.
5 hours of story telling and we still know NOTHING about any of these charachters. They're just there, singing stupid songs and being naked. What a gigantic mess. I feel sorry for LRD
Yeah it's a shame! It just didn't work at all at the end!
I think it's telling an inside story about the entertainment industry that if you haven't done your research about the producers/artists you wouldn't know anything about. There's a message about it. It made total sense to me and I'm bummed that they'll not be returning.
See the STORY is supposed to do the research. Everyone is just too stupid to understand the complexity of this issue then?? The game of Faust is as old as time and yes we understand that mess.( I know you don't understand what that means so google it please) This series was basically a sex tape and WHY the plot is ridiculous. Not the world is too stupid to get it.🤪 Your hilarious and obviously got really into the sicko sex scenes
I call this show Euphoria Records.
The finale left so many unanswered questions and it was overall a mess but Lily Rose gave a good performance. Her acting was wasted on this show
It definitely did didn't it!
The only thing this show managed to do was make me a fan of Suzanna Son lol. A show with this premise had a ton of potential but was five hours that I wish I had back.
The show was poorly written. It almost felt like they came up with the ending last minute. Most of what happened was really not well explained and Jocelyn becoming the villain at the end was confusing. So many plot holes that I don’t think I even care at this point. Sadly I’m disappointed don’t think I would want to watch a second season
Damn, I waited 5 whole weeks for Tedros to kill somebody.
if yall wanna watch the show, its basically just a traumatized girl gets a guy who hypes and manipulates her and thats it. i actually liked euphoria better even if it had a cut-off ending since it shows so many connections and twists but this one shows a twist that twists back lmao
but tbh i liked how scared tedros in the end because he knows that she OWNS her now and she'll probably abuse him. i rather have him dead tbh i had so many ways in my head
This show is already in the realm of a cult classic, along with the likes of “The Room”
If it does that then it will have achieved something
So Tedros framed Rob accusing him of rape, Joccelyn got furious and had him paid off so he can walk away from her life once and for all and then the ending she says she misses Tedros and declares him the love of her life at her concert tour. I've seen better scripts on the Bold and Beautiful. This was horrendous.
I wish they would’ve kept the 6th episode , this episode was mainly singing & they’re all talented but it got boring . Jocelyn basically got Tedros now , she’s got him trapped & he abused her based on her lies .. I wanted to love this because I genuinely love Lily Rose , just another overhyped soft core porno flick pretty much 🤦🏻♀️
I can not believe in 2023 this show was created. It was just plain awful and confusing. It just served no purpose.
They really be trying to make Tedros the nice guy after he tortured everyone and made a cult
Lol, that's true!
neeko!!
Not to mention the whole cult was also s3xu4lly tortured by tedros, Chloe being 17 😭
While an extra episode would have explained more, I think it's better this show just ends, it's just a mess.
Maybe this show will end after the first season but that probably won't stop Levinson in making more stuff like this. Depends if the HBO executives still trust him or not, i hope not
@@K0m30ng he can't keep getting away with this bs
I mean you can't really explain things that don't add up.... like her not wanting to speak about her trauma when they all had dinner but then going public immediately when Tedros said she should, to in the end it turning into something she apparently made up (the hair brush scene), or her going from having a break down at her video shoot to being the mastermind who outsmarted the pimp and planned it all...
even the idea of using him for inspiration... how would it actually be inspiration if you did it on purpose and plan it... that's not how inspiration works...
It seems more like when Sam took over the left pieces of the old plot and added his own, turned her into a villian without properly revising the beginning.
I’m constantly amazed how little story the show achieved with 5 hours worth of time. So many storylines doesn’t go anywhere, characters just changing up their behaviors from one scene to another. Writing and pacing was terrible, some scenes go on for way too long and the little red riding hood metaphor makes no sense towards the story. I can’t believe after dreading with the super long performance scene, Jocelyn doesn’t even perform? Like the whole team is there to see her give a great performance to show them that she can sell tickets and all she did was a strip tease?? how does that convince Andrew that she can sell out a stadium?? The show’s messages are all over the place. One minute they’re saying pop music is shallow, next they’re saying sex sells? Tedros being painted as this victim falling in love with the wrong girl and Jocelyn being this master manipulator is just complete bullshit and misogynistic. Would’ve love to see Leia finally stood up for herself or have one last scene with Joce before she quit, but that didn’t even happen. This show had potential, but it was just buried with so many unnecessary things. But i guess i shouldn’t expect more from Sam Levinson
COuldn't have worded it better!
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Probably cause they cut few episodes out
Yes!! The issues are glaringly obvious-to that my brain melts even more how much the cast/Sam are protecting it as if that helps their reputations. I can’t imagine being Lily in this situation-I would lose it if a different story was set by a female, then cut and destroyed by Sam making all of it for nothing because it doesn’t even make sense. The unnecessary moments of her character minimize many moments of incredible work she put in. I just can’t get over it 😵💫
@@0912soolinot probably, that's the reason. The TV SHOW has been EPIC.
Now I'm REALLY curious to see the original show directed by Amy Seimetz. It HAS to be better than what we actually got, right, RIGHT?!?!?!!!?
I feel like it would have to be
For sure.
probably not. amy seimetz does not have much experience as a director nor a writer and her few works arent very good
@@Novafanit doesn't mean she's stupid like Abel and SL to not ask for help to someone who's experienced
@@Everythingz127 sam levinson is experienced, thats why abel hired him
Don’t Smile because it’s over, cry because it happened
Edit: Omg thanks for the likes
I legit almost spit out my coffee reading this lMfao
oh lmao this was my yearbook quote last year
Did you really just thank people for likes.. lmao
@@naniebella1645 the fact that we were all excited about this show at one point is funnier then my comment
LMAOOOO
This could have been good like Gone Girl if we got anything from Joss’s perspective at any point
I really thought Joss invited Tedros back in so she could kill him! That would have been a better ending, lol
Yes imagine her killing him and than performing with bloody clothes it would’ve been a really good ending lol
@@itsnoneofyourbusiness0 ooh, I like it! lol
@bellareid3488 lol but like anything would've been an better ending than this
@@itsnoneofyourbusiness0 I know, right. I was thinking is that it?
@bellareid3488 yeah but at least we don't have to seee anymore of this toxic relationship and I wish he was dead but if Jocelyn lied about her mom abusing her did she torture izaac for nothing (idk how to write his name)
This review is SPOT ON. This is the WORST show and finale I've seen in a while. It felt as cheap as a movie using the "It was all a dream" trope to tie up loose ends the writers were too stupid to flesh out.
It was like a whole different show in that last episode. Jocelyn was a completely different person, it was bizarre.
Yeah, there was just so many blanks that weren't ever addressed
Yeaaaas we need 6 episode not because it’s good because it doesn’t makes sense
too many plot holes
@@itsnoneofyourbusiness0ok! So I’m not the only one that’s lost?! Cause was this guy a cult leader?! Who exactly was using who in the end? Did they let Rob take the wrap for that crime? What was in Leila’s letter? Did Joss lie about her abuse? Too many questions.
@shaenicole5719 yes yes I am lost too that's why they should've done 6 episodes but I honestly thought leila was pregnant or sick or got a good job opportunity but I have to knoooow lol
Genuinely one of the worst shows I’ve ever watched. She literally pays her manager to make him go away forever and 5 minutes later she introduces him to the crowd as the love of her life 🤦🏼♂️. The whole Rob storyline was unnecessary and ridiculous, we don’t know what happened to her bff lackey , she just leaves a note and bounces. I think the reaction of Hank Azaria’s character at the very end when Tedros came out on stage was how I felt about the series as a whole, like… what? I get the whole power dynamic switch that was supposed to be a huge reveal with the new brush and all that but none of it made any sense and just made the show even worse than I thought going into this episode. Absolutely horrible 🤦🏼♂️
yes! How did this ever make it past HBOs normally high standards???!!!
I honestly feel sorry for Lily Rose. She was really good in this and I’m sure she thought this was her moment- but the show just fell flat. I hope she isn’t beating herself up too much because overall, her performance was the best part of this show.
Yeah across the entirety of the show she was definitely the best thing about it!
Yes her acting is pretty decent
Her acting sucks tho her character was bland and had the personality or a door but her acting didnt help either
i feel bad for her when you know what the show originally was before sam. it seemed different and a lot of it was even filmed (but cut). i would hate to be an actor getting on a high promising show just for some director to get on and make it just porn with a choppy storyline
She should be so embarrassed
The fact that they portrayed Leia as someone that could potentially bring the cult down and actually do some change but ultimately did nothing is bothering me too much. And then they did that sad scene where she left Jocelyn like we're supposed to feel sorry even though we never got to know the character and their relationship in depth. Also, where tf does she go? They just abandoned her character in the end but that's on brand for the show, I guess...
@@demi8890i mean yeah but realistically no ending for any of the characters was good. The least we could’ve got was a reaction from joss abt leia leaving or what she wrote in the letter the whole thing was just disappointing
@@demi8890 Of course she wasn't gonna be a star, she never wanted to either. All I'm saying is: if we were to feel happy for her escaping (debatable) or getting away from the cult, then they should've made us care about her by getting to know her character which we never got to.
@@raihanasal4968 Exactly!!! Why would you pan to and zoom into the letter if we were never getting to know what she wrote anyways? Honestly this show just feels like they are constantly having ideas, executing them halfway and then literally just abandoning what they wanted to do in the first place. So frustrating.
@@bingoing sam levinson is an absolute mess tbh, euphoria season 1 was so good but it seems like after that he’s just become lazy. Since he’s got the budget and success ( his shows got a lot of viewers and attention) he’s able to create whatever he wants really and he has the budget. He’s sort of abused his power and whatever he makes is overly explicit and unnecessary and the plot just gets worse and increasingly non existent each time. Euphoria season 2 he was pushing the limits with the nudity but atleast it had a few stand out good parts with an okayly satisfying ending, but the idol.. its just a bigger step down and an ultimate failure. Imagine teasing a show for an entire year just to create 5 episodes with a directionless plot and a forgettable ending. I cant even explain how bad it was and its definitely the worst tv show ive watched ever.
i really wanted her to read the letter from leia like after the concert and see what her team thought about tedros appearance
this show had absolutely nothing to say at all it's borderline hilarious
so basically
tedros :
ep 1-4 *a chuuni abusive cult "leader"*
ep 5 *feel bad for me now*
jocelyn:
ep1-4 *emotional wreck*
ep5 *sike*
idk why the rest of the big names were even there
🤣
The word is psych not sike. Good grief
@@Liz_in_the_OCr/confidentlyincorrect
@@bookclubchd9588😭💀
LMAO HE IS SUCH A CHUUNI THO-
You should make a video about all the plot holes and confusing things that just didn’t make sense in this show! Like how did Tedros not end up going to prison for years? Why did Joss even want him back? Why was Zander down to go on tour with Joss after she straight up tortured him? Why did Nikki want to team up with Tedros after he verbally berated her in front of everyone? So many things just did not end up, felt like the story was going in a million different directions for no reason
No fr because I genuinely don’t understand a lot of the plot holes.
How is the new hairbrush supposed to mean that she lied about the ab*se when Xander and supposedly others saw her mom abuse her?
@@artiezonk And Tedros saw the hairbrush a million times before
@@artiezonkt wasn't that she lied about abuse. It was that abuse was her motivation and it was a proverbial passing of the baton to give Tedros a new brush because now he would be the one to apply the punishment to her. Willingly.
The point of her buying the brush FOR him is that SHE now has the control over him. Look at him scoffing at first when she confirms it's new, then slowly realising that he's now under her. And the stage scene jut confirms it, i mean you couldn't make it more obvious with her using his SM line 'now go stand over there' etc. I kinda liked the concept and the idea but Tedros being a lost puppy at the end kinda left a sour taste in my mouth
Sam just coupdnt help to find a way to put a nude minor in the show right ?? Ugh he has an obsession with showing schoolgirls nude in his work.
Exactly!!! He obviously has a fetish. He's so predictable
Fr it’s disgusting
My friend and I tried watching this and we couldn't believe how young they coded the girl from the cult. She's supposed to be 17 but they had her literally skip everywhere, act extremely naive (the "woah, does she live in a hotel??? I never saw a house with a pool!!!!" line), and she was hyperactive and playing dress up like a kid. The hair/makeup/styling too. Then they immediately have her get naked and watch the main couple while they were in bed? Just disgusting. Wtf.
She’s like 27 but it was weird that they added that whole 17 thing but didn’t go anywhere with it
@@JukeboxWithJay yeah thats what i mean, even in euphoria they are all 15 - 17 and in actual school yet they are all naked and seducing older men ! .. why not make them in college like ...
The Weeknd really carried this show...
To the grave.
I’ve seen this comment a dozen times.. but he did in a way carry it - his music was one of the few reasons worth tuning in the next week
He also buried it don't forget
😂😂😂
😂😂😂😂
Lmao
If you look back at the trailers before the episodes started rolling out you can see that some scenes were cut, even the "Rolling Stone did we upset you?" scene was cut
I kept waiting for that scene…obviously Rolling Stone upset THEM
Plus Max probably didn’t wanna ruin their relationship with RS
@@blackdateline1996 lol love that for RS, the magazine did big damage to the reputation of the show and rightfully so!
Did anyone else catch how Finklestein or whatever his name was, after Joss finishes her performance, refers to his “parental feelings/vibe” for Joss right after he announces he should have changed his shorts. Wtf?
Yes! There’s even a shot where they zoom out and she’s in between his legs & when she’s looking up at him, looks sus as hell. Just disgusting.
caught it right away! Icky forealllll
Welcome to Hollywood
Whose side was Xander and Nikki on all along? What did they do to Tedros after he was taken away? Why did Destiny become so passive and not say anything when they were all sitting together? Wasnt she there to kill Tedros in the first place? Why were they really there to meet her? Why did the Jew guy switch so suddenly and support that nonsense? and why not save some of that 'gang-rapey' shit for the actual show? Man this show is utter shame and a waste of all resources.
What was the point of bringing Rob in and ruining his career? He didn't do anything to her, she broke up with him so like uhhhh why
@@bees.857it was Tedros idea. He manipulated Xander so he could f*ck up Rob (who was f*cking his girl), but only could do it because Xander wanted to mess with Joss (by hurting her ex and close friend)
@@bees.857exactly, i think they just added rob to let us see that xander got manipulated. idk its weird because a24 made this and a24 never disappoints!! (i mean they made euphoria, everything everwhere all at once, the whale, pearl, midsommar and more)
Destiny was sent to kill tedros? Can you explain that a bit more
@@bees.857 that part was there to show that everybody was playing their cards, he was just a tool for Jocelyn as he was for Tedros.
i’m just glad there wasn’t any explicit scenes this episode
Yeah, it actually made a refreshing change lol
Exception for her " performance it was dare I say, too sexy for the lyrics and just not necessary as most of her ass being shown was throughout the series.
There definitely was, during the showcase, they just had their clothes on 😂
The show over all had a weird pacing issue. Apparently there was going to be a total of SIX episodes but during editing the probaly realised that only had enough to use for 5. Which is probably why the cast/ crew wanted a another season.
"The Idol" is going hard for that Razzie , it seems
Totally agree with everything you said! The scene where everyone showed off their talents to Joss' team was way too long, when it could have been a 5 minute scene where they showed how impressed they were and that would have been better, in my opinion. And the show would have had more time to develop other things, like the part about Leia LEAVING Joss !!!!!! I needed a scene with the two of them talking, Leia saying that she can't take it anymore and seeing Joss' reaction, I don't know. I was also expecting MORE from Tedros; to me, his personality changed overnight. I feel like Joss sleeping with her ex affected him like he was in love with her or something, and he clearly wasn't. I get that it's about his ego, but still. I don't know, to me, his downfall was underwhelming, I feel like he didn't suffer that much to be acting down bad like that lmao (before Joss' team ruining his reputation). And about the ending, I think they wanted to have this big plot twist but, to me at least, didn't feel like it. And then the credits rolled after a weird shot lol. I don't know, I kind of liked the show overall, I loved the cinematography and Lily's performance, but I didn't like the finale at all. I guess it's an open finale to then add a second season, but no one knows if that will happen or not.
Glad you agree!
Just like Euphoria’s last episode, he gave us a 15 minute music scene without even asking
Between this show and Velma, 2023 has been the year for HBO flops. I hope that they create another decent project soon.
I thought succession was really great and TLOU, plus Velma wasn’t made by hbo, But this show was really disappointing. But at least people are talking about it instead of that woody Harrelson show.
More like hoping they don't trust Levinson again
Succession, white lotus, perry Mason had pretty well received seasons. Righteous gemstones good so far. But yes the 2 new buzzy shows flopped
Barry was also unreal - when they hit it hits but the idol was disappointing
@Holmelander-zk8do ah crud forgot about Barry. Hadn't watched it
To say this show was bad is too generous, it was fantastically awful. No character is likable, nothing made sense and idk wtf I just watched? Like seriously, WTF was that?
I don't have the words to describe how bad this show is. None of my friends have watched it and I can't communicate to them the trauma I just experienced for this horrific TV show. How on earth did it get made
@@Hannah-y2z facts! I have to go to UA-cam to rant because apparently I was the only one foolish enough to watch this mess 🤦🏼♂️