Has 'The Dark Knight's' Legacy Done More Harm Than Good?
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- July 2018 marks the 10-year anniversary of Christopher Nolan's The Dark Knight. Patrick Shanley explores the lasting legacy of Nolan’s groundbreaking take on Batman and why so few films have been able to emulate its success.
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The Dark Knight is an exceptional Super Hero movie, because it is NOT primarily a Super Hero movie.
Yeah I agree. It's an action thriller. There is a video in youtube basically saying that point
You could honestly say the same thing about Spider Man 2.
It’s styleized as a drama instead of a chest superhero movie hence why the action scenes are wack but the charecter building and drama are great
No matter how many times I see The Dark Knight it never gets bored. Love to keep seeing it.
I'm watching it rite now
KOB KOB right*
Safwate Ahmed boring*
Just because the Dark Knight is a Masterpiece doesn't make every other superhero movie shit. It just puts them below until a new superhero Masterpiece comes out.
Damjan Plamenac Yes thank you
Logan is a close close one
Khan Kake.
In your opinion.
Khan Kake still not better than Dark Knight
Infinity war is better.
I love The Dark Knight Trilogy. I love The Dark Knight Rises it was almost as good as The Dark Knight.
I actually think TDK and TDKR are on par. I like them equally
*It's not about the darkness, it's about being kind of realistic*
Sam Raimi's Spider Man 2 was a masterpiece too in my opinion. Its the best Spider-Man and came out before The Dark Knight.
To me, Spider-Man 2 and The Dark Knight are the best superhero films of all time.
Chris Blaze Agree with that
Chris Blaze Richard Donner's Superman. It is the only superman film to truly get the character right on the silver screen. Except for the ending.
Spider-Man 2 is great but I personally enjoy the first one more I loved goblin
I loved all the movies of both the trilogies.. way above today's marvel bs..
For me it’s those 2 and Logan
I think The Dark Knight is the best because it's not just about Good vs Evil and how Good always win, but it put is as audience to be morally decide who is good and who is evil.
And show us how much stake would it take to be pure Good.
It show us that there can be no Good without Evil first.
Uh the bad guys actually won in the dark knight film. Joker ended up turning Harvey Dent who was suppose to be the white knight evil. So yeah the Joker won in that film.
dadarkknight36310 and that's why TDK is the best. They aren't afraid to let the bad guy actually win and make such a huge impact in its universe
dark jedi exactly it shows a tale of how everybody looking in on certain situations will never understand the decisions that had to be made from within
dark jedi Thats what I love about Infinity war it took the same risks like the dark knight did without betraying the audience.
People are getting tired of the good guys win bad guys lose scenario.
Thanos and Joker will always be memorable villains because they beat the good guys and won.
The true Villains of infinity war are the avengers them selves, Thanos believes in his heart that what he's doing is right and when you think about it hes not a bad guy hes just trying to stop overpopulation in the universe, the same Logic applies to the Joker in the dark knight, everything joker does in that movie makes sense, Batman is the bad guy in the dark knight not the joker, the joker believes Batman is responsible for crime in Gotham.
dark jedi
The reason why TDK is so good is because it's an actual piece of art with talent, heart, and effort put behind it and it really shows in the film's lasting legacy/praise/outcome.
The whole Dark Knight Trilogy is a bar no one will reach.
This is what people often forget, The Dark Knight wasn't just a great Superhero movie, it was a cinematic masterpiece. A modern classic up there with the likes of There Will be Blood and No Country for Old Men, no Marvel or DCEU movie has yet matched it. I've seen some people say The Avengers was better, or Logan, or even Wonder Woman. The Avengers was only great because of the crossover aspect, Logan was only great because 9 movies preceded it, Wonder Woman was mainly lauded for gender reasons. I won't even humour the idea that Black Panther was better. Take away the political and legacy aspect and they're just great movies. The Dark Knight was a masterpiece in and of itself.
Cosmo amen to that bro. Couldn't agrew with you more
This comment hurts my head. What movie are you watching? What about all the plot holes? The contrivances? The poorly directed action scenes? The movie has no pulse whenever the Joker is off screen. Did Heath Ledger give an amazing Joker performance? Hell yes. But besides that? You compare this with a true masterpiece like No Country for Old Men? And There Will Be Blood? The Dark Knight is a decent movie. It's meh. Without Ledger's Joker? It's worse. There are sooo many friggin plot holes in this movie. Soo many poorly directed action beats. The big Chase scene in non sense. There's no internal logic to it. It's just random bleh. You want a great Batman movie? Watch Batman: Mask of the Phantasm. It's 100X better than this. I mean..Batman Begins is a better movie than TDK. This movie is poorly written(the dialogue is 50% exposition), poorly directed(Nolan has done better work elsewhere in The Prestige but he's a shit action filmmaker and needs a 2nd unit director) and not well acted beyond Heath Ledger. All the performances bar Ledger are just muted and boorish. Line delivery like "Harvey I know these briefs backwards" and then that awful dinner convo with the blonde Russian Ballet chick? Ugh...I mean you are comparing No Country for Old Men to a movie where the hero gets a finger print off of a bullet. That's right. A bullet. What!?! How does that work? Bullets have casings when last I checked. Then the playing card with the DNA on it...that's not how DNA evidence works! It's silly non sense
GuyX 1 WRONG!
from a cinematic stand point , you are right. but we cant really take away political and legacy aspect while we are enjoying the movie.
in my opinion , The Dark Knight>Logan>Wonder Woman=Black Panther>>>The Avengers
GuyX 1 u could rip apart any movie like that if u want to lol.
The dark knight is not the best superhero movie. It is one of the best movies ever made, up there with the likes of "gone with the wind" , "The Godfather", and "star wars 1977".
A Man Apart don't forget the matrix
Justin Fencsak yes the 1st one.
A Man Apart fuck reloaded and revl
And “Star Wars 1980”
A Man Apart replace A new Hope with empire strikes back with Star Wars and i’ll agree!👌😅
10 years old, in July's 20th. I still remember how excited I was leaving my home in that afternoon and going to the teather, here in Sao Paulo, Brazil, to watch the best comic book adaptation ever. If Warner droped that next week to celebrate its aniversary, I would certainly go at least twice.
Douglas 8504 same here when I saw it in mansfield nj USA at what's now cinepolis. It was amazing. Even the Blu-ray was well done.
Douglas 8504 What I dream of is an IMAX showing of entire The Dark Knight trilogy. I think it would be hard to have a marathon, but one each day or week would be fantastic. I also think a marathon might result in another tragedy.
Zack Snyder was totally responsible for the embarrassing failure of the DCEU, enough said.
Joseph Stalin No, it was Warner Brothers
FilmNation2017 Warner bros. gave Zack Snyder full creative control over BvS, that movie earned SEVEN razzie nominations including worst director Zack Snyder, also include the failure to break 1 billion at the international box office. Warner bros. fucked up by trusting a clueless Zack Snyder.
FUTURE DCEUWARRIORZLIFE Based on your “embarrassing" grammar spelling I'm not surprised you hate The coherent acclaimed Nolan Trilogy, as an absolute DC comics fan to another don't embarrass yourself supporting Zack Snyder (DCEU) he/they don't deserve your money nor have they earned it, Your better off reading the comic books all while improving your grammar at the same time.
Joseph Stalin Lmao his daughter is burning in hell, that’s what he deserves for ruining DC
Little Fav Relax..
Am I the only one who actually really liked Man Of steel
No
Nadeem Motala there’s a lot of people who do, but there’s a lot of negative people trying to stop DC from being enjoyed by other people.
I love this movie. The ones who claim it's only good because of Heath Ledger's performance (or that he only won the AA because he died) know nothing.
Exactly. That's like saying No Country for Old Men is only good because of Anton Chigurh.
They don't know how good the director is actually. Only Nolan can make a villian that memorable. He has an incredible talent in writing a script. Those epic lines that came out of joker's mouth were based on Nolan's script.
Logan was a great film, but batman is just a tad bit more realistic
@@keonkinard3755 both are good
Marvel doesn't even come within a mile of The Dark Knight!
ectoplasmicentity Exactly, they could’ve more with The Winter Solider or Infinity War. Infinity War wasn’t really a story about heroes, it was about the villain.
Really? Glorifying the dark Knight by bashing marvel? Can't take you seriously. I love the dark Knight but come the fuck on. Don't be a fanboy.
Luke Skywalker you are the one who is being a marvel fanboy...it was just a statement that most people will agree with
Siddharth Sharma Except most people aren't children who compare one film with an entire comic book company. You didn't even say the MCU you said Marvel which includes all of Marvel.
I love the Nolan trilogy but I honestly don't consider it above other films of it's genre. I love a lot of what the MCU has done and a lot of what they're doing is rooted in the same philosophy Nolan used when making his Batman universe.
What really sets Nolan's films apart is that they're self contained stories. He built his Batman from the ground up and from a particular perspective which drove how he approaches telling the story. It exists in a vacuum and as such stands out more.
@@siddharth1200 how am I a marvel fanboy when I like both the DC universe and the Marvel universe at the same time? You're idiotic statements know no bounds.
The Dark Knight is a great film period. That's why I find it unfair to force other superhero movies to live up to it because they aren't on the same playing field. Extended universes, jokes, no lasting consequences and never ending sagas are what prevent these movies from standing out. Releasing movies as trilogies maximum then calling it a day made good stories but of course that makes bad business, we're now watching soap operas.
Interesting... not even a small mention of Logan.
loool fuck logan
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In a few respects Logan is a better film than tdk. That's just objective reality buddy.
Logan was good...it just wasn't TDK good. The Dark Knight gave us Joker and Two Face. Who was the memorable villain in Logan? I'm not trying to hate on Logan but this is just one of many examples where Logan comes up short in comparison to TDK.
SLAMMINnJAMMIN, that is not the point. The point is that Logan proves the false assessments made in this video, where it's said that other dark and gritty movies in the superhero genre sucked because they were trying to be like The Dark Knight, but it's obvious that those movies were nothing like The Dark Knight and would be more comparable to the MCU. X-Men Origins Wolverine sucks because it's a mess that jumps at random pace from one point to another without trying to make things compelling and it heavily relies on its connections to other X-Men movies. Batman Begins was the complete opposite of that. It was very slow and deliberate. But MCU does have that problem, as seen in movies like The First Avenger and Ant-Man.
No I get that but even then I would offer Captain America Winter Soldier as more comparable to TDK than Logan.
Christopher Nolan and Christian Bale were a perfect match. I hope they do more films together. Magnificent!
Dark night rises is one of my favorite movies.
3:14 he took time to make a smaller film, the prestige... ahahah wish I was able to make movies like nolan's "smaller films"!!!
The Dark Knight is such a highly acclaimed and masterpiece of a movie because it is not just a comic book superhero movie, it is a modern film about real characters being put into real situations. It took the superhero genre, and grounded it to appeal to the general audience, and it worked flawlessly. The film has an amazing plot, strong characters (especially Ledger’s Joker), and a deep and powerful score by Zimmer. This movie deserves the praise. Some movies have come close such as Logan, The Winter Solider, or Infinity War, but it is very hard to surpass The Dark Knight.
Gabe Selden Infinity War was close, but it wasn’t a told very well. It had some editing issues, like it was all that over-place
FilmNation2017 Yea I agree
I agree. The Dark Knight Rises and Batman Begins are also terrific films that come close to The Dark Knight.
I’m very glad the Dark Knight became a cinema masterpiece and a modern classic movie along with the greatest films of all time such as
• The Shawshank Redemption
• The Prestige
• Lord of the Rings : The Return of the King
• Amadeus
• Spirited Away
• Lost in Translation
• Ed Wood
• Good Will Hunting
• Finding Nemo
• Pulp Fiction
• Se7en
• Memento
• The Wizard of Oz
• Apocalypse Now
• Psycho
• Schindler’s List
• Pan’s Labyrinth
• Shaun of the Dead
• The Thin Red Line
• Children of Men
A non american film ?
This is dumb. It's like saying The godfather did more harm than good.
No. Movies like the godfather and the dark knight raise the bar. It gives a challenge to new up coming films to beat the expectatives already set.
Overall, I actually like, "Batman Begins" more. "The Dark Knight," stands out more because of Heath Ledger's performance.
Mastodon1976 no its not your crazy.
Rises is the worse outta the 3.
Mastodon1976 nope.
Batman Begins gets every single thing correct about Batman and Bruce Wayne's origins.
Scarecrow and Ras Al Ghul played an essential part of the story that explored themes of Fear.
Nolan did an amazing job with both of these villains.
The dark knight is amazing but its nowhere near Batman Begins.
Heath ledger took the spotlight away from Bales Batman.
Bales Batman was the best thing about Batman begins.
Mastodon1976 seems like your not a true Batman fan you moron.
Scarecrow is terrible in anything ?
You sure about that ?
Play Batman Arkham Asylum and you,'ll see why people love scarecrow.
Guess you been living under a rock your whole life.
Mastodon1976 play the Arkham games little bitch.
Your the blind sheep and everyone loves Scarecrow and Two face.
You sound like a Joker fanboy.
Joker has been overused at this point.
Mastodon1976 Batman Begins is the only movie in the trilogy that actually felt like a Batman movie. Bale felt so much more like Batman in Batman Begins than he did in The Dark Knight and The Dark Knight Rises.
Most definitely more good, still hard to believe that any upcoming Batman movie can top the Nolan trilogy
I don’t go into a bat film hoingbthatbit tops a previous. I go into them hoping they be good. That’s all I want. Just like in comics you have more great stories than just the dark knight returns. You have year one, the long hallween, dark victory, the killing joke, hush, the grant Morrison saga, as well as Scott Synders Bat stories. Just be good is all I ask.
To Triumpth the glory of the Nolan Triology even though people claim Rises was bad....no matter what...it what still a better and more emotionally thoughtout film with a good script and fantastic story. Plus maybe I am a little biased cause this was the film of my time. My childhood Batman but also by this time I was already filming small little vacation videos with a DSLR before UA-cam ever even did it lmao.
By that same nonexistent logic, I can say that MCU did a lot of harm, because their success forced other studios to try and replicate their formula, thus we see bland action movies trying to set up a connected universe and sharing similar tone to the MCU. Your point about DCEU shouldn't be directed at The Dark Knight. DCEU got on the wrong foot because it was trying to be like the MCU, not The Dark Knight. You can't imagine The Dark Knight having some dumb scene in the middle of the movie where a character watches pointless 5 minute footage that is meant to set up the future installments, but you can imagine that happening in the MCU. You can't imagine The Dark Knight having an important iconic character just as a cameo in the the movie, but you sure can see MCU doing that (they've been putting Thanos in pointless scenes for how many years?). Suicide Squad sucked why, exactly? Because it threw random characters at the screen with no rhyme or reason and had them fight and nothing more. Tell me, which franchise would do that, The Dark Knight or MCU? Well, judging by how Spider-Man was introduced to the MCU, I think I know the answer. Seriously, fuck off.
Anton Affleck And the oscar for best comment goes to....but seriously dude I agree 100%
VENOM InThAHooD, how was the DCEU trying to be like the MCU? I explained it in my original post. But if you need me to prove the same point twice, fine: 1. Darker is not an exclusive thing, and darker is not what made DCEU problematic. Tone can work in any movie if the movie is well made. 2. Batman v Superman was nothing like The Dark Knight. As I said, you'd never get scenes like Batman having visions of apocalyptic future, let alone having five-minute teaser for the Justice League right in the middle of the movie in The Dark Knight. The Dark Knight trilogy was all about building up characters and never relying on franchise-building. Franchise-building is exactly what ruined DCEU. And what franchise inspired the DCEU to do so? You know the answer. 3. By talking about how characters were introduced, you just answered your own question. The Dark Knight trilogy never, ever introduced characters like DCEU did. The Dark Knight trilogy always gave its characters reasons to be in the story. But the people behind DCEU looked at MCU and how they randomly introduce characters (as mentioned by Thanos, Spider-Man, so on), they thought they can do the same thing. 4. Batman v Superman and Suicide Squad had random scenes and random characters and were very unclear in their direction. All of that is the product of them trying to be like the MCU. If DCEU was indeed trying to follow Nolan's footsteps, Batman v Superman would not have any random dream sequences every five seconds, Wonder Woman's pointless role, and pointless franchise-building. In short, it would be a much better movie.
1. Yeah, someone says that I don't make sense when that same person says that he did not read my reply but then says this in his reply: "And i did read your whole reply".
2. The reason why you don't get scenes like Batman fighting Parademons in the future is because that scene serves no narrative purpose and is only there to be a seed for the future installments. Which is what The Dark Knight trilogy stands against. It was all self-contained. It didn't try to put things that have no reason to be there. The closest thing in those movies we got to the Knightmare scene was the ending of Batman Begins with the tease of the Joker, but even that was just a small nod and it happened when the movie was ending.
3. There you go, you answered your own question. Building the universe is exactly what makes DCEU more like the MCU than TDK trilogy. The Dark Knight trilogy never had franchise-building as its main focus.
4. Correct, The Dark Knight trilogy did not rely on franchise-building. Franchise-building and being part of the franchise are two different things. Joker's card was a small nod, never intended to be some kind plot point that was intended to set things for the future. Nobody knew if there will be a sequel. Scarecrow makes cameos only in the sequels. In the first movie, he is an established character that is integral to the plot. Complete opposite of the Joker in Suicide Squad, where it's the first movie of this Joker and he himself has nothing to do with the plot of the movie.
5. DCEU failed because it tried to be like the MCU. Its most common criticism is that it rushed everything and tried to build a franchise without establishing its characters. The Dark Knight trilogy was all about characters and stories. If the character had no place in the story, he wasn't in the story. Which is why Nolan wrote Harvey Dent off from the original Batman Begins script and why he didn't use characters like Penquin and Killer Croc, as he couldn't see those characters working in the context of his movies. DCEU ignored Nolan's methods of filmmaking and it tried to be like the MCU, which is why we get movies like Batman v Superman and Suicide Squad. If the DCEU was indeed like The Dark Knight trilogy, it would be completely different compared to how it came out. Its so-called dark tone was brought by Zack Snyder, not Nolan. If you have seen any of the Zack Snyder movies, you know that dark and gritty is inherent in his filmmaking. All of his films are dark and gritty. Man of Steel is his least darkest film. So I hope this clears some stuff to you.
Anton Affleck You can't be taken seriously when you say that dceu tried to catchup with marvel. No, giving AN answer doesn't show that it's a serious argument. "If bvs wasn't like like that it would have been a better movie" the video is answering perfectly to your comment. Why every judgement has to be based on the Dark Knight ? That's bad judgement and weak character if you ask me. A pure and clean mind would judge rightfully anything new for what it is. Tell me right now that you haven't found relegious allegories in bvs and how humanity comprehends God. I don't know you're probably the wrong guy to ask, but you guys pop up every where to make us deny the love for the movie
Anton Affleck and I know what I'm talking about because Bale's Batman became Batman for the sake of a childhood sweetheart. Since you have Batman on your pic you would know that that's insulting to the character. Bruce Wayne became Batman because he needed to and didn't have "no killing" rule that would dissapoint any girl
The Dark Knight is Epic
The Dark Knight rises is Badass than TDK but not that Epic.
Praveen Fletcher well said sir
Ok THIS is epic!
Both films were epic.
Nothing will ever mimic what the dark knight did; a legit perfect film. No, this isn’t me being a DC fanboy, this is me being a lover of great movies.
Campbell Kane no flim is perfect, not even this one. It had many plot holes and things that didn't make sense
@@justintulloch7551 tell me pls, i didn't notice a plothole, well, only some for the joker but that actually makes the movie better
Quak I personal never understood why Batman had to take the fall for the people 2-Face killed and why he couldn’t just say the joker killed them. Also how Batman never went back up to the party (After he caught Rachael from falling) and he basically just left the joker up there to do whatever he wanted to.
@@justintulloch7551 i think because the people knew the joker was talking to them on the boats, so they would know it wasn't true while on the other hand nobody knows something about the batman. The party plothole is actually true
Quak I still honestly feel like if a police commissioner were to say that the joker killed those people earlier in the day or something, people wouldn’t think twice about it. It’s a great movie, I just never liked that ending.
Nolan used modern psychology to frame a narrative from what used to be former fantasy..marvel uses science fiction!
I disagree about The Dark Knight Rises, it has had a lasting impact
Definitely. Not as much as The Dark Knight but it's still a loved film.
The dark knight was so iconic because of each character having an influential part in Batman and Gotham. The story was unlike any other and had the most realistic feeling of what could happen if Batman was in the real world.
The only film that I think has come close to being a masterpiece and rivaling The Dark Knight in terms of quality is Logan. I am biasedly in love with The Winter Soldier, but as much as a fan I am of that movie, there are noticeable flaws.
I really don't like, however, that people forget how awesome Batman Begins was. It deserves more credit. The Dark Knight is the film to judge against whenever a new comic book film comes out, but I think Batman Begins is very underrated. I think BB and Cap: First Avenger are equally amazing films.
warrior1795 Logan isn’t in the same league as TDK. IMO Logan is overrated, it was good but not a masterpiece like TDK. It’s definitely the best X-men film, though that’s not saying much.
The only films you regard as masterpieces are superhero movies? You need to watch more movies.
warrior1795 I agree!
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What about Sam Raimi's Spider Man 2?
Chris Blaze Spiderman 2 is still better than the dark knight in my opinion.
Am I the only one who thinks that "Infinity War" is the only film worthy of comparison with "The Dark Knight"
Rahul Ray I also think the same way
I can enjoy new Superhero flicks (Marvel or DCU) for what they are. However, I must admit that the Dark Knight set the bar so high that I don’t think I’ll enjoy a comic book flick in the same way I enjoyed that film. It’s not just a good comic book film; it’s a good film period.
The Dark Knight Rises was awesome, dunno wtf this guy is talking about
Dark Knight is a masterpiece and deserves to be inspiration for new superhero movies, but it also raises the bar for what audiences expect from these new superhero movies= Writers, directors and actors have to step up their game
Whoever didn’t understand bane wasn’t listening
After 10 years it doesn't really matter what it did or didn't achieve, the fact that it's still played regularly, and still talked about a decade later has already made The Dark Knight a classic. No film considered a classic is without some flaws, no film is perfect, it's about the lasting effect. Films that are both praised, and debated long after their release is something many films strive for, but what few films do.
Dark Knight*
It’s not The Dark Knight that’s making a mess of things. It’s Zack Snyder and his mindless use of CGI as a substitute for a viable plot
The dark knight was divisive because you can watch it not just as a Batman and superhero movie but also as another Crime thriller/drama movie
I would say the genius of the Dark Knight trilogy is that Christopher Nolan vision was to make the story as life like as possible, of which he totally accomplished.
If you noticed while watching any of the Dark Knight trilogy you find yourself being enthralled with the plot and all of the characters as individuals.
Man, I remember going to see this film like it was yesterday. It was in a sold-out theater on midnight launch. The amount of energy in that place was amazing. Everyone was thoroughly immersed in what was unfolding on the screen. Unforgettable.
Omg.. enough with this crap.. the dark knight was a good trilogy LEAVE IT ALONE.. where the hell did fans ever see a reference to another character in the movie.. this was nolans vision period.. MOVE ON
Batman Begins is the best superhero film ever made. It is the film that started all of this.
Blade was actually the first to create a dark feel which encouraged heroes like Batman to get success. Before blade,what superhero movie was there that created a more serious feel that made success
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Bad filmmakers will always be there. There's no point in blaming anyone for this. Even if the Dark Knight never came out, those movies would still have been bad; just without a common derivative source.
I always felt that when compared to Batman Begins, The Dark Knight allowed Nolan much more directive control.
Even though it had characters, gadgets and locations from the Batman mythos, TDK didn’t feel like a superhero film at all.
Either way, I think the Nolan trilogy is fantastic, all 3 films are unique and different enough to where you can appreciate them after all this time.
Nolan’s success with the trilogy not only brought back superhero films from a very low point but also showcased to the general audience that they were more than silly films for kids.
Exactly.
I’ve seen many videos like this and what I’ll say first is, DC’s failure to create engaging films is DC’s fault and DC’s fault only. Beyond this I’d like to add that DC has good films, however they have never been connected, the Dark knight series is one of these, the original superman is another, the Tim burton Batman films are yet another, Constantine (although this may not be a popular opinion) is another. Films never had to be connected it was Marvel’s original idea to do so. On top of this concept DC has held its own in the animated department more than enough with BTAS beginning something that would span more than a decade. With all of this in mind the failure of DC’s films should not be blamed on the aftermath of a fantastic film series it should be blamed on DC’s jealousy of Marvel’s profit and expanded cinematic universe, trying to catch up like a kid doing their homework on the bus it’s incomplete and overall misses the point
A landmark
ofcourse...its the GOAT in its genre...
I honestly prefer Infinity War to The Dark Knight. Very different movies to be sure but Infinity War made me feel in a way that The Dark Knight, while incredible, didn't.
Anirudh Menon amen.
Anirudh Menon Infinity War wasn’t like The Dark Knight, it’s not a superhero movie, it was Thanos movie. His story, he was a villain, not a hero.
People only like Marvel for the action and fights. Everything else is secondary. The acting is so sub par.
Anirudh Menon I like Infinity War and can’t wait to see it again. But after the hyped of Infinity War it’s still a movie basically saying “here’s about 1/2 to 3/4 of the full story, we will be back to finish and give a full story soon.” While Dark Knight was a full fleshed out movie.
The MCU will never top The Dark Knight, but that doesn't mean that the comic book genre will never be taken seriously.
2008 was also the start of the M CU
I always felt TDK abd TDKR were on par with each other. Both were wonderful cinematic experiences
Why because it's not just a film,it's a revolutionary by Christopher Nolan ever made in cinematic history
Wrong. The best comic book film is Scott pilgrim vs the world
*BEAVERS.* lol!!!! ..now that was funny 👌🏼
Honestly I don't even compare superhero movies to the Dark Knight anymore because its too unfair. That's not a knock on marvel or DC, I just think the Dark Knight is unbeatable. It's legitimately one of the greatest MOVIES of all time. To me it's in a totally separate category than any movie in the MCU or DCEU. Current and future superhero movies should be measured against each other. Not against the Dark Knight.
Unpopular opinion, I am really not a huge fan of The Dark Knight-trilogy. But I love the MCU.
#Travel 15 Fanboy
FilmNation2017 Not a fanboy, no movie is perfect, not even my favourite movie of all time, which is The Shawshank Redemption. I just wasn’t impressed with the trilogy as most others are. They are good movies for sure, but they all had many moments where I was very bored.
#Travel 15 The Dark Knight actually did change cinema in general. The Dark Knight told a story nothing before. It’s well made movie. No movies are perfect, I know that. The Dark Knight is listed as the best movie ever made category. Infinity War was close to be chosen to be one, but something about Infinity War didn’t do well, I’m trying to put my finger on it. Although, the MCU is great. It’s them being all good because of Disney & money. All I can say, the MCU is kinda boring & cheesy at moments.
FilmNation2017 I understand our opinion about the MCU, I have heard many opinions about the franchise. I have also tried to see one of the movies to understand their opinions, but I still like all the cheesiness and fun. I know about the thing The Dark Knight in cinema, but having that in mind didn’t stop me from feeling bored too many times during watch. I just didn’t had a very enjoyable time as I thought I might get. When I watched Infinity War, I had one of the greatest movie experiences in my life, something The Dark Knight-trilogy didn’t gave me. That movie was just the perfect type of movie for me, in my taste. It is all about taste. You can watch a movie which did something that changed cinema, but it all comes down to if you enjoyed the movie or not. The Dark Knight - trilogy is not that kind of movie in my taste. If you are wondering which movie in trilogy I prefer, it’s Batman Begins. I do not care what kind of a impact the movie made, I just care about enjoying something, and the MCU applies to me more.
Another thing, I think the MCU would still have been a success under Paramount Pictures, which they were under before Disney bought Marvel Studios, that is just my opinion.
#Travel 15 Intersting thought about Marvel with Paramount Pictures. I understand about enjoying the movie. I just don’t like the way the MCU is going with these cheesy moments. Doesn’t work for me. I don’t laugh at that, I like great story movies. Infinity War did bring the table with a great storytelling about Thanos. Although, The Dark Knight is really good! I do love Batman Begins because it was fun to watch. I really enjoy Batman Begins a lot. The Dark Knight was really good, with story & all. The Dark Knight Rises is my favorite.
Hands down The Dark Knight was and still is the best superhero movie!
It's Knight, not night. Just an FYI to reporters who should know better.
Nice piece, but there are other factors that show how immense the continuing impact on cinema is: 1. Score; 2. IMAX Cinematography; and 3. 8p First Showings:
1. Hans Zimmer and James Newton Howard - together! Zimmer has pointed out that the reason Cap'n Jack Sparrow's character entrance was he always "plays it for real." Nolan and Zimmer were the perfect combination for that reason. Zimmer has also spoken about the main theme: It's two notes but it never resolves because Bruce Wayne is stuck in time. He's never moved on from being the kid in the alley.
2. The Dark Knight and Dark Knight Rises action sequences were filmed in IMAX - on film! That meant they weren't not only carefully choreographed to advance the story, but Nolan showed what was possible. Besides Inception and Dunkirk, you have on IMAX FILM!: Tom Cruise climbing the Burj Khalifa in MI: Ghost Protocol; The Hunger Games: Catching Fire jungle scenes in Hawaii, etc. (add more in your replies, please).
3. Earlier Showings on Thursdays: The joker tragically inspired the massacre at the Century Theater in Aurora, Colorado during the midnight showing of The Dark Knight Rises. The shooting began as soon as the first gunfire when Bane takes down the plane. I live in Denver so there is much more to say about the victims and the impact on our community. Not just here, but universally, far fewer people had the full cinematic experience in IMAX because they didn't feel safe sitting in the IMAX and stadium style seating that is set up like a shooting gallery. What all of the world has felt, is the first showing time of all movies moved up to 10p and then 8p. First, for security and availability of emergency services. Second, there was a massive downturn in theater attendance all across the United States that summer, and it never really recovered once moviegoers found that watching movies at home was just fine. Once the theater industry found it was indeed more profitable to have evening showing, the time is creeping ever earlier for the first showing times.
Idc who you are... Man of Steel was super trash
Regina Fela Adu Man Of Steel was great, you must be trash
FilmNation2017 And you’re an antipoon
Retrojon 5 Agreed
Regina Fela Adu You’re Just trash
My answer to this video is hell no, best dc trilogy.
dark knight rises is better. Fight me irl.
i concur
TDKR is unfairly written off by people considering it has themes in it that resonate far more with the times that we are in than any other comic book film (it effectively foresaw the rise of Trump and charlatans winning over the majority, promoting isolation, persuading the public to 'take back control' and creating some quasi-protest movement which is really there to only benefit the few aka Brexit). As great as TDK is there are far too many flaws with that film for it to be described as a 'masterpiece'.
ELCNUmorFnaMehT Spot on about the Trump/Bane comparisons
I also love the theme of pain running through the film - Bruce meets his physical match, gets broken, Talia breaks his heart, etc
There's also a running motif of orphans - Bruce, Blake, Talia, Bane & Selina are either honouring their parents or making the best with the cards they were dealt
I think if TDKR had less moments where extras fall for no reason or fake fighting in the background. Talia's stupid death scene should have been removed and the some of the expository dialogue is out of place. TDKR would been considered a masterpiece.
i love TDKR but the pace in that movie is really strange after bane took after the city. the movie should have been 30 mins longer
The Dark Knight is my favorite movie of all time and I do believe it’s one of the best films this generation has seen. However, can we stop constantly comparing superhero movies to TDK. I’m tired of hearing “oh that was a great movie but no TDK”? If you keep trying to measure other movies up to TDK you will never be satisfied. Instead look at how the movie stands on its own. Determine the quality of storytelling, acting performances, writing, dialogue and etc. And this not only falls on the audience but the studios as well. Stop trying to create another TDK. I don’t want another TDK! I just want to watch a great movie that impacts my thoughts and ideas. Make a film that forces you to ask yourself “is this choice going to serve a purpose to the story or is it just for show?”. Otherwise, you’ll just create meaningless garbage. And that goes for all movies.
Edit: Some comparison between movies to help determine the quality of a film is good, but TDK does not always need to be the gold standard for every superhero film.
I agree. Superhero films don't need to replicate TDK to be successful; Marvel did that successfully and even Nolan went in a different direction with The Dark Knight Rises instead of just trying to replicate the story/success of TDK again.
Man of steel was amazing, Batman v Superman Extended cut is great ( still has some lame plot points but overall great movie ) even The Dark Knight wasn't perfect, Two-Face and Joker were spot on, but that was the start of Batman's ridiculous voice...He didn't sound that silly in Batman Begins. The Snyder hate makes 0 sense, the dude makes good movies, The Watchmen, Dawn of the Dead, 300, all great.
Patrick Bateman agree
Brandon Martin I respect your opinion, but I think both MOS and BVS: UE were AMAZING. I don’t understand why people hate BVS. Sure the writing can be off at times, but the plot, visuals, characters, score, and action scenes truly sell this movie for me.
Brandon Martin.
Just to let you know he was talking about the Ultimate Addition Of BVS.
Patrick Bateman what the hell why is everyone being so nice and respectful on this thread this is youtube. Seriously though good on you, and I totally agree with you on Snyder
Snyder destroyed DCEU though Man of steel was good. Snyder can only manage good loking shots. He cannot manage a fluid storytelling which by d way counts a lot in moviemaking. This is something the new generation audience cannot comprehend.
The Dark Knight is a masterpiece of the film, no comparison, hands down.
Marvel ruined movies not
Christopher Nolan
The dark knight rises is not a terrible movie
To say "where is the sun" in the context of Batman who fights crime at night tells me you are not a comic book fan and don't understand Batman. GTF out of here!!!
nolan's films are so good because they are filmed as actual movies with the emphasis on character and emotion. The focus is not for big action set pieces or typical HERO stuff. When you actually watch the movies again you will realize Batman does very little in the grand scheme of things. It makes the action moments stand out more because of it. Most of the time it is him as Bruce Wayne and how he interacts with the world around him. Dark Knight rises had batman out of commission for almost the whole damn film but still worked because the character interactions worked. Nolan utilized the skills of the actors he had chosen and let their performance carry the film, you don't get Neeson to just be a forgettable throw away, you don't cast michael caine to be your typical butler with no purpose or heart, you don't cast gary oldman if you plan to have gordon just be an angry cop that shows up once and awhile. All the characters had good development and scenes which let their actors shine. Most superhero films are to concerned with action set pieces.
Time for people to hate me: is the dark knight a great movie? Yes. Is it a great superhero movie? Yes. Is health ledgers joker one of the greatest modern performances? Yes. Does the film have powerful themes? Yes. Did the film resonate and engage with a large audience? Yes (always a basis of the movie coming out at the right time in the right moment). Does this automatically make the film a masterpiece? No. Is the film a masterpiece? No. Does is it have flaws? Yes. Contrary to popular belief, it’s script and the plot logic is not air tight. It just moves so fast that it doesn’t give you a chance to spot the numerous holes on your first watch. Does the film stand above all comic book movies? No. While it does occupy a spot in the top bunch, I’m of the opinion that there are plenty of films, comic adaptations or otherwise, that meet or exceed the dark knight.
Is the dark knight a great movie and do I love it? Yes. But I am getting tired of people saying that it’s a flawless masterpiece. It has flaws and holes like any other film. To me, this is just another good film. Not the gift from the gods to be placed on a pedestal like the Internet seems to think
_Thank you._ I knew I wasn't the only one who felt this way; I'm so sick and tired of people jerking off this movie as though it's the absolute pinnacle of cinematic achievements. TDK was a great movie, yes, but it's not unbeatable nor is it flawless.
TDK is way overrated. It could be argued that Iron Man was a better pacesetter for comic book movies since it’s style and tone spawned a series of aesthetically and financially successful movies. TDK spawned movies that have nearly ruined venerable franchises like Superman. I could swear the vid said one of the great things about TDK was that we weren’t looking for the next thing? That makes no sense. Additionally, TDK did have a sequel just like the Marvel movies. You’ve consumed the Kook-Aid, bruh. Heath Ledger was the best thing about the movie.
greg b Iron man 1 was bad, not even that good.
Dark Knight fans are so full of their own shit.
0:43 No, it didn't.. the trend of dark gritty comic book films was big before TDK came around.. _Nolan was a follower not an leader!_
Infact, *everything* at that time was trying to be dark.. Spider-Man & the Fantastic Four were literally the only light comic films during that period.
_When will the lies stop Dark Knight fans? When??_
The truth is that TDK is a mediocre crime drama & the only reason people remember it at all is because Ledger gave the performance of his career and tragically died shortly after.
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*_+Pat Gaming Apa's Style_* That top part is all *facts* my boy don't be a little mindless ass 🐑🐑.. bandwagoner now.
Andrew Torrens lol you are salty because it’s true XD
everytime someone says "The truth is" you can bet it's the opposite.
@@Slask7 You know it's true.. When a famous actor dies they & their death end up completely overshadowing the last film they were in... *especially* when it ends up being the performance of their career like Ledger as Joker or Brandon Lee as The Crow. That's just how it is.
Ledger saved the film & Bales horrible Batman without question.
Reason why The Dark Knight was so good one answer: Chris Nolan
What legacy!? It was an indecent movie, in an indecent time
Luke Evans How was it an indecent time?
Luke Evans agreed. ... the year we got a black president and everything changed
Luke Evans LOL.....I saw what you did.
Huge DC fan but, Spider-Man 2 is a better more ambitious film... fight me. 😠
Watchmen is the best superhero movie ever made imo.
DerG 😂
It was ok but no
Nah
Watchmen is not a story about superheroes. That Snyder movie really damaged the comic book....
If Zack thinks that dark and gritty is what made TDK amazing, then he must not have seen the whole film. I recently saw it at a 10th anniversary screening and I was surprised at how many jokes were in the film. I had seen it so many times I guess I forgot how much humor is snuck into it. There’s enough comedy to keep the audience from hanging themselves, and enough tension and darkness to make the film memorable and impacting. Exactly what it needed to be.
I love The Dark Knight but it's overrated w/o The Joker.
Shame on The Academy for giving the Oscar for Best Picture to Slumdog Millionaire instead of The Dark Knight.
I'd say Avengers had a much larger cultural impact. Maybe too large. Look at the box office, and how all studios tried to emulate the shared universe formula (and failed). Look at how D-list heroes that no one cared about are now household names. Also comparing the Nolan trilogy to the Russo Trilogy (so far); Winter Soldier, Civil War, Infinity War, is fair game.
Knightfall182 Infinity War isn’t a hero movie. It was a Thanos movie. Not a hero
By the same logic, you could say TDK is a Joker movie.
Knightfall182 Not really
It certainly was perceived as such, with the Joker stealing all the spotlight and accolades for the film. IW actually balances the characters quite well considering how many there are and it's definitely a superhero film when it comes to it's respective genre.
Knightfall182 No at all
Considering all 3, and I love them all, Christian Bale is one of the best actors of this generation for starters. I actually like Batman Begins (first), and The Dark Knight Rises (3rd) a little better than the middle film. Supporting performances, I would argue that Anne Hathaway’s portrayal of Catwoman rivals Ledger’s of Joker. Besides, whichever movie of the 3, has Maggie Gyllenhaal or Aaron Eckart in it, must be the least...they’re terrible, and their poor performances are always overlooked by those who declare The Dark Knight to be the best of the 3.
Get it right, The Dark Knight is NOT a Superhero movie. None of Nolan's Batman movies are.
theylied1776 Then what is it? Superhero movies can come in many ways. Just because it’s more grounded and realistic doesn’t mean it stops being a superhero movie. There are plenty of comic books that are great dark gritty and realistic. Troy don’t have to conform
David Eubank It's a crime thriller about terrorism disguised as a superhero film
Even if we're going to ignore the fact that it's based on a superhero comic book series, it stars a character dressed in an extraordinary costume and doing extraordinary things for greater good. That's a superhero in a nutshell. Not sure what you're even talking about. Can you be more specific?
Jacob Bellmore, isn't every great superhero story is just a disguise for something closer to real life? Didn't Chris Claremont, one of the most celebrated superhero comic writers, said that he was writing stories about people, not superheroes? Isn't Demon in a Bottle just a story about a man suffering from addiction? Wow, I'm amazed at how clueless capeshit lovers are.
David Eubank It's a movie based on a Comic Book.
No it hasn’t. Nolan did what has been done in Hollywood for decades. He made a trilogy with a beginning, middle and end. Anyone trying to follow that is not Nolan’s fault. It’s the fault of the director and producers who are doing a poor job copying him. As for the MCU, that project was a major risk that no one knew would actually work because it had never been done before in cinema. And Marvel/Disney are the only ones to make this work with amazing success. But everyone else who tried to copy them, such as the DCEU and the Dark Universe have failed epically, (except Wonder Woman), so a shared universe is not a guaranteed success either. And that’s the fault of the producers and director (and Tom Cruise) for not copying Marvel properly.
So really Nolan’s Dark Knight Trilogy (especially the first two films) and the MCU shared universe (most films) were major successes because they were done very well, with passion and for the right reasons. It’s the awful copy cats who are ruining everything.
Great video and question btw.
Erm...Black Panther is definitely worth considering in relation to cultural impact
onyxsta no wtf
Sike
Nobody gives a fuck about that movie, EXCEPT for the fact that it's all black people. Great, awesome. Hooray black people. It's still got nothing on tdk.
Black Panther was Black wish fulfillment
Black panther was overrated as fuck. You can't even criticise the movie without being called racist. Lol there was some critic and that didn't like BP and the next day there were articles like "trump's America ruined Black panther's perfect RT score"
Yes, the Dark Knight is a masterpiece - the best movie of the 'noughts', together with the LOTR trilogy. I do think, however, that 'Rises' deserves far more praise than it gets. But The Dark Knight is still by far the best. The only other movie that managed to get a little bit of the same feel would be Logan. It's not as good as TDK, but it's a very good movie in it's own right and very different from the usual superhero stuff.
As for Marvel, they are brilliant in connecting all the movies together. Probably the greatest thing about them is that the actors seem to have a genuinly good time being in them, and there's usually great chemistry between them. You can see it clearly in The Avengers and Guardians Of The Galaxy. In fact, for some time I thought that GOTG is the true successor of the Star Wars OT, ,but I was mistaken: GOTG obviously stands firmly on it's own.
I do hope the DCEU get's it act together again. It's been a long time since they've delivered a truly good movie - even Wonder Woman was very mediocre with a very predictable story and some embarrassingly poor CGI scenes. It was only saved by Gal Gadot's charisma - she saved the movie (and the DCEU with it). But DC really needs another Dark Knight quality movie - or one that matches The Avengers. It won't happen as long as Zack Snyder is calling the shots. They should hire James Gunn and have him direct a more lighthearted Superman movie.
Infinity war> the dark knight yup i said it , stakes are higher and better villain in Infinity War
TreFKennedy No!!!
FilmNation2017 🤨🤨🤨🤨
TreFKennedy Infinity War isn’t that way close. I’m sorry dude, Thanos is awesome, but overall, something was totally lacking in that film. The Dark Knight > Infinity War
TreFKennedy Nope! The Dark Knight > Infinity War
TreFKennedy 😂😂😂. Butthurt much?
about once every ten years we get a great movie. Terminator, The Matrix, The Dark Knight... now Infinity Wars came close but it still wasn't on that level.
the thing that is missing from the Marvel movies is that they have no philosophy. after watching the Dark Knight I sat there thinking for hours about what is it that makes a hero, maybe the joker was right...
20 years after watching the Matrix I still think about what is real, how do I make a choice and many more things(this movie changed my life!)
after a Marvel movie, I go eat a pizza and watch some porn
The Dark Knight was a good movie, however I believe it's overrated. The movie dragged on towards the end. I believe had Heath Ledger lived this movie would not be held in such high esteem. Logan was far better than The Dark Knight in terms of story, acting, and cinematography.
Mimi M No, Logan wasn’t even that close
FilmNation2017 I love logan, but I agree. It was not as impressive at all.
Mimi M I have to disagree. Ledger's performance was haunting and the story was amazing. The thing that made the movie for me was the little trailers/newscasts of Gotham Tonight with Anthony Michael Hall. It filled in gaps and just was entertaining. I wonder why other Superhero films haven't used something similar.
Logan failed in the third act... fighting a clone.
Not even close.
The Dark Knight Returns had ideas and themes in the story way powerful than The Dark Knight. It was only a smidge less visually appealing than TDK and the characters were a smidge less impactful. Otherwise it is way above than those Marvel popcorn BS(I love a few of them though).
Wait so your argument is the Dark Knight has done more harm than good because no other film has reasonably been to match it? Would you prefer that movies be purposefully mediocre so that they're easily matched? Do you even understand the entertainment business? Markets involve competition between suppliers. Suppliers try to come up with the best products, which is what Nolan did and people paid to watch it. It's not Nolan's problem that other filmmakers can't replicate the critical and commercial results of The Dark Knight. If you as a filmmaker want the title of the top spot you have to earn it. Nobody owes you anything, you're entitled to nothing. What Nolan did was set higher standards which benefits movie goers. If no one sets higher standards suppliers become complacent, and quality suffers while prices go up. Fortunately for us there seems to always be someone to raise the bar given enough time, so if it wasn't Nolan it would be someone else.
I realize you aren't arguing from a position of economic principle, but economic principles still apply. What makes "good" art if art is entirely subjective? All we really have to go on is public opinion. People vote with their wallets. Get a list of like 100 of the movies with the best ratings and find 100 movies with the highest revenues recorded. Make a third list using the films founded on both lists and calculate a composite score using both metrics. Movies with the highest composite are the best movies.
The Dark Knight was more then a superhero movie, it was a return to form of masterfilm making that transcended the Movie itself. Nolans spared no detail, the film was put together with the precision of a Brain Surgeon, Every shot, crafted with detail and meaning, The actors chosen, the music, and the script were all done masterfully. The film is a throwback to Hitchcocks and kubrick storytelling and mystic. All of his work has been done in that vain. Theres an awesome lil vid called the death of Film breaking down his other Masterpiece Interstellar, highly recommend u watching it.
Has any film or trilogy done any better than this? No
The only others have been Harry Potter and Star Wars And lord of the rings
But for super heroes
This is gold above em all
Great video, I think TDK caused more good than bad, it is a masterpiece, and the best comic book film of all time. The only I didn't like about the vid was you said Guardians vol. 1 is great, neither of those is great.
Christopher Nolan is one of the best filmmaker ever... He focused in making a good movie, instead of being distracted by the expectations people have on superhero movie.. He always want to tell stories that provoke the audiences’ mind, rather than impressing the audiences with cool action, gadgets, etc. And in the dark knight, he get to be able to tell great story with great action, fx and all, with the help of the big budget
TDK is a classic now because at its core , it is not a superhero movie. Although you can feel the chills on its righteousness , it is almost a crime noir film. The detective just donning armor and helmet instead of a fedora and trench coat..
This is obviously Snyder's fault not Nolan's. Smh blaming something for being bad because it used to be good.