Springfield Armory Just made Their ENTIRE Pistol Line Obsolete With THIS
Вставка
- Опубліковано 8 лют 2025
- The Springfield Armory came out with the new Echelon unfortunately they may have taken their entire line up out with this one!
New Merch drop for 2024
hegshot87.mysp...
ATTENTION: All opinions shared are just that, my opinions. I'm not a lawyer nor have I ever claimed to be one I simply commentate on different scenarios to give you examples of what can happen out in the real world.
People talk about "good old days" but these are the best of times ever for gun owners, especially with selection.
Honestly, the options have never been better
Unless u live in illinois
I think the mean the days when one can go into a shop and buy a full auto and pre nfa list lol
Do you remember gun prices in 2019?
@@4.23.21 or CA
The Hellcat is a huge seller, they're not gonna touch that platform.
Hellcat pro comp 🤌🏽
@@conan218I wish my Taurus GX4 Carry was comped like my Hellcat Pro is. I like the Taurus grip better.
Love my Hellcat Pro. Bought it over a year ago.
anything with the name hellcat p3ople go crazy for. looking and you dodge and springfield
That's why i love my metal frame Sig's. Eats through everything I feed it. Flawless operation. Intuitive and ergonomic design. Point and shoot.
I'm stoked the Echelon lineup came out, because I was able to get a XD Mod 3 for only $260. Can't beat it for a reliable gun. Been a long time fan of Springfields. They were some of the first guns in this market you could get the raised sights for a silencer stock and an threaded barrel. Also their gear up promo's are amazing if you time it right, I have so many magazines because of that.
When do they usually do the gear up promos?
@@hardcore4476currently going on now. Ends in March.
Wait for the gear up promotion for any echelon
There is one going on now.
started 2 days ago ends at the end of march 🙏🏼
@ just seen that so it’s time for the compact. This time these an optic involved too
I agree 100% you hit the nail on the head with Echelon slim!
A whole new line! The Hellchelon.
I've been extremely eager for this version to finally get here !!
Completely agree. When I heard the 4.0C dropped I was really hoping it had a 1" width. Not surprised SA went this route though as they would most likely have to redesign the COG and it would battle Hellcat sales. That being said, it is what Springfield needs to do. One of the draws to the P365 is it's FCU and modularity. Having the option to throw a different grip for $100 helps justify the higher price-point. Love what Springfield is doing and just bought 2 XD Mod 3's for my boys... how did they keep that at $300?! I'm actually hoping the future direction of Springfield is to keep the XD and Echelon series alive and slowly phase out the Hellcats.
Mod 3 is definitely a price friendly pistol.and it performs well. Being optic ready was the big selling point.and a dot site is worth iron this gun.
The Hellcat is the best pistol they sell.
Lol why the hell would they phase out the Hellcat? Best thing they have going. Especially the Pro.
@ If they developed a micro Echelon with similar COG modularity, better Echelon ergs, slide, trigger, etc. It would make sense not to have 2 competing options… but only if the supposed Echelon Micro outperformed and outsold the current Hellcat. Or just add the COG and Echelon-esque enhancements and call it the Hellcat 2. Better modularity would compete better with the P365.
Me stirring the pot by staying the obvious that the hellcats are actually not any where near as good as the other micros….. sorry, I guess it’s pretty tied up if not a little better than a taurus
Personally, I wish the rear U-Notch sight was on EVERY pistol that I own, regardless of brand ! .. Its really fast to aquire a target. .. Wilson Combat has a great U-Notch rear sight. One version has tritium dots.
I have trouble with U notch and acquiring a repeatable sight picture. If you have any tips, I'm all ears.
The Hellcat Pro and Echelon are both excellent guns. Both have perfection grips, great sights.
Firearms fit, comfort, and accuracy, are all individual preferences and dependent on skills and abilities. No one person can say which firearm is best for any individual.
SA Echelon has been on my radar for a while now. Your opinion is always one to be taken into consideration!
You should go for it. I have the threaded barrel version. Wait for the gear up promotion though
NO, THE U NOTCH REAR IS AWESOME.
I love the U sight
Echelon slim would basically be the Hellcat Pro, so I can see them maybe releasing a subcompact gun along the lines of the 26 because of the cog system. The 4.0 has 15 and 18rd magazines, not extended 17rd mags. I already had the full size Echelon Lipsies exclusive package which included an extra fullsize fde Echelon frame, so when I picked up the 4.0 Echelon I decided to tinker with the status quo. I threw the fullsize slide on the compact frame and then modified the extra fullsize frame to match the compact slide length. It was just a little slicing off of the front dust cover and then sanding it down to be smooth. Pretty simple project overall, so I basically created the Echelon versions of the Glock 45 and 49. I prefer the Echelon fullsize slide on the compact frame for carrying. Gives me that additional barrel length which conceals anyway, and I still can use the 18rd magazines. It shoots really nice in that Glock 49 configuation.
I love the U Notch.
I don’t feel like Springfield will ever dominate no matter how good the echelon is(I own the full sized) until they start offering more than just grips for sale. The fact that you can’t order a different slide or barrel of any size from them limits their market share. Currently all sales reps will say any parts other than those listed on their storefront is not sold
That's a good point, that I had forgotten about. I tried to order some parts to repair a range gun and they said no, we'd have to buy a new one.
I wonder what % of their customers would order a new slide or barrel? I doubt it’s a very significant number…. That’s probably why they don’t focus on it.
I would actually like a Glock 26 sized echelon that could accept the 4c and full size mags
I agree, SA/HS should give the Hellcats the Echelon treatment.
I think it works pretty well for carry and pretty much anything else. I like the thinner P365 style guns for sure but even the longer grip/slide models don't shoot as well as the Echelon. I agree with some other comment saying that they need a little bit more product support. With the COG system they need to be putting out slides, barrels, all sorts of stuff someone could pick up. I would also like it if Springfield and HS Produkt would do that for other lines of guns.
Echelon Subcompact would be dope
Back in October my lgs had an outdoor show with all manufacturee reps and the Springfield rep told me that there would be a Eschlon compact and subcompact coming out soon. I directly asked if the sub would be replacing the Hellcat and he said no just an addition to the line. We got the compact. If I had to guess I'd say look out for the sub at Shot Show.
The sub is the one I’m waiting for.
@@matthewbaker5359 I have the Hellcat and the Pro. Both are accurate, good triggers, and so easy to shoot and carry. The original hellcat w/extended mag is light and concealable w/14 rnds. Perfect for me. Echelon sub would be cool.
@@DanielJohnson-ot8wj they’re not going to make a sub-compact version unfortunately.
@@justinlavigne2573 You gonna be proven WRONG.
The Echelon is on my list, but my XDm 3.8 in 45acp has been flawless.
If Springfield is smart, they should build a whole ecosystem around the gun. Look at what Sig did with the P320. One can go to their website and build a 320 to their spec or just buy various parts to upgrade their current pistol.
I have both the Echelon and P320, ngl they’re the best things I own and the FCU is more reliable and easily accessible more than a stock Glock frame or even a Smith
I'm just impressed that you're one of the few gun tubers that can pronounce the word ambidextrous 😂
lol was thinking the same thing sh1t
My first generation XD in 45 ACP spends more time at the Springfield factory getting warranty repair than it does at the house
At this point they should just give you a hellcat or echelon for free as a replacement
I do much love the ergonomic design of the xd pistol but man,changing the sights are a task
Yeah, I don’t know man when the HS2000 was still significantly under $200 in the back pages of Shotgun News- Glock pretty much ignored the patent infringement because they sure weren’t selling into law-enforcement or the militaries of the world… but here we are 35-ish years later and people are still buying these things? Even with the M&P out there at the same or LOWER price point?-Marko Vuković has never had an original thought in his head-neither has anyone else at HS Produkt-whether stealing designs from Glock, SIG…or the Polymer 80 forums-they are still STEALING designs…
Not mine. Never jammed. Shoots everything I throw in it.
Damn...That sucks. I have an old-school XD Tactical in.45 ACP that I bought in 2009, and it has been 100% flawless through multiple thousands of rounds over the years I have owned it.
This big Echelon is so well thought out and cool looking. I wish it was chambered in 10mm. I picked up an Sig P320 in 10mm - would have considered an 10mm Echelon. The grip texture on my hellcat is so comfortable and the pistol stays firm despite palm sweat. The echelon’s grip seems to be similar so it’s good. Definitely put Echelon features into a Hellcat. Chunky guns like my older G29 (OWB) just wear me down. I think Sig is making a larger P365 but it’s slim & well liked.
My ported echelon on my sharps bros lower is my favorite gun to shoot and i have 3 2011s
With the current price of ammo and getting a pay cut, I've been reduced to practicing with just 22LR most of the year.
The echelon comp is my winter carry and I love it. I carry the 15rnd mag with a 18rnd back up. This thing isn't heavy at all lol! I carry this thing all day long and barely if ever notice it at all. I swap from this and my pdp pro e for winter carry and I love them both. Both very accurate guns!
A smaller COG is coming. They will probably do it under the Hellcat line so that they dont have to phase that out completely.
This is the most reasonable take. They have a full-size COG in the Echelon. They will just release the next-gen Hellcat with COG too. Then it will essentially be just like the P320/P365 families. One full-size duty model, one slim compact/carry model. The Hellcat platform came out in 2019, so a refresh in the next 24 months wouldn't be surprising.
Nope. That U-notch is the bomb. My XDm Elite 10mm has them…I love them. Your eye and body is literally better at centering circles, than centering in a notch, That's why peeps and aperture sights aren’t rectangular. I also have the Elite 9mm. 22+1, love that gun, cowitness the suppressor sights with a red dot. Great triggers as well, I assume the Echelon is at least as good.
Agreed w/ everything u said. Also my Xdm 10mm elite 3.8 compact is GOATED.
When he said "damn near" i subscribed immediately 😂
Have the Echelon and my favorite the Walther PDP, still love my pdp more.
This is another win for SA. When they add a manual safety and threaded barrel version, I'm in. For edc offerings, I prefer a threaded barrel so you can comp or can it. Those barrel ports are spot on for range/competition/plinking.
Just picked one up and first impressions are great. Need to buy a 507c but untill then i have a 507k mounted to it whick to me i love the fact i can run nearly any handgun optic. Trigger feels great dry fireing and the overall feel in hand is perfect. Well see how it shoots at the range but so far im happy with it. Just needa wait flr my preferred holster manufacturer to make one then its probably the edc
“So far I’m happy with it” yet you haven’t shot it?
@PeasantKing-od5lg yeah. First impressions in hand are good. Feels great optics mounting system is dope and from dry fire trigger is good. Literally all it needs to do is shoot without malfunction and it will be my favorite handgun. Heading to the range today
I picked up and echelon Saturday.
My thought is they did away/ doing away stuff to move onto the modular platform. The echelon Wil be the new xdm. And the xd line will go modular with not as nice of a trigger and cheaper sights slides with or without optics cut.
Love Springfield pistols. Had an xd back in the day. My ccw is a hellcat pro. N a full size eschelon for my tactical belt. I think the hellcat is a bit snappy.
It's exciting to see them innovate, but it does make you wonder how their older models will hold up in the market now.
Was excited to see the XD Mod 3... hoping they drop a Slim variant.
You are the worst channel in the internet.
I’m keeping my shield plus as my conceal carry but I’m seriously thinking about the echelon for a full sized
I agree with the Echelon slim. I have the full size with a Holosun 508t, Ndx stainless steel guide rod, and a nightstick 550xl light. It’s an incredible shooter. My edc is an sig 365 x macro, non comped with the 3.7” barrel. If Springfield made an Echelon slim the a 17 rd capacity I’d already own one! Lol . Great video!
I have one of those Defenders on my sig xl. Definitely my favorite dot for smaller guns.
While the trigger seems better, the thinner size and same capacity of the hellcat pro keeps this line alive!!! Plus, correct me if I’m wrong but the main selling point of the Echelon is the COG but somehow Springfield decided that you need to re-purchase a COG with each size🤷♂️🤷♂️🤷♂️! (I.e. you should be able to purchase either the full size or compact frame and use the existing COG)!!! Can you just purchase the frames?!?
I bought a Gen one glock in 1988 at a pawn shop new, for $288.00. I’ve owned two gun shops, I’ve worn a lot of pistols after selling/transferring many weapons thru my two stores. And after liquidating my stores during the pandemic and now retired. One of the few pistols I still have and the only one I carry. Is my Gen one glock-stock. No other gun is needed, the mags are cheap, parts are everywhere, a plethora of goodies you can attach to it. It is the most adaptable pistols and can be configured into a carbine or machine gun at will. Why do you need anything else? oh, and used, they’re relatively inexpensive. And Glock warranties them basically, forever.
Glocks have proven themselves to me hands down as very dependable over and over, any other pistol over 35 years. To me, anything else is only a copy of a glock.
My personal favorite generation is the gen 4 on all versions. I never understood why anyone loves to hate on Glock other than jealousy. I for one love the way they look, ergos are great, and the simplicity of maintaining them is above and beyond any other poly gun out there. You can teach a novice how to tear down and clean a Glock in 5 mins. At the same time teach them how to replace every part in a Glock if that’s your desire. Mine are 99% OEM minus the sights. To me it’s the perfect SHTF pistol in the world. Parts are everywhere. Good luck finding parts for an echelon that are compatible with multiple other pistols like a Glock.
I love my G17 since it was issued to me in 1993 or so. I’ve carried a G29 since 2008 and it’s reliable (w/spring kit) and accurate. Was told the newest 10mm glocks are slimmer.
Why would they make a slimmer Echelon? That cuts into their Hellcat sales unless they want to do away with HS Produkt and make their own slim guns.
I think they are following Sig Sauer and Glock. Have slim guns and thick guns. And they already have the slim guns with the Hellcats.
Got distracted and spent the video looking into the vortex red dot.
I wish they would take this design and make it in other calibers.
Yeah, rather than that midsized Vortex Defender ST, I'd put the smaller Defender CCW on it. Slimmer all around and should improve your co-witness, too.
Regarding slimming the Echelon, I'm really liking my Rost Martin RM1C. The most major change I'd make to it would've been to skip the plates and make it RMSC direct mount.
Waiting to see if anything really fantastic appears at the upcoming Shot Show 😊
I’ll stick to my canik.
If that was the case Springfield wouldn't have come out with the Mod 3 pistol which IMO shoots a little smoother then the Echelon series and the MOD 3 has the 1911 style grip safety that lots of appendix carriers like because of the extra safety so they don't blow their nuts off. Springfield just offers lots of variations to suit all the peoples needs and wants and I doubt the Hellcat series is going anywhere. I can see them coming out with a subcompact echelon Glock 26 size but not a micro version because the echelon is too beefy of a gun to shrink to a Hellcat size and it would defeat the purpose. Also the Hellcat is an already perfected and respected line.
Would have got already, but have they admitted too and differentiated the difference between the “self disassembling”magazines and hopefully the “fixed”ones?
Heg, I agree but only if you are ok with 9mm & optic cuts & non subcompact….might be popular but people still use and appreciate other models & better calibers
Hellcat pro with a remora holster 💯
Already ‘sold’ on it, get me one when my wife wins the lottery…
Dude, it’s like 600 bucks.
Put 30 bucks a month away and get one next year.
No one will talk about the wear on the gun straight out of the box
Proper testing
@ no. They only fire 5 shots
You just talked about it.
And it wasn't worth mentioning 👍🏻
@ explain to me why it wasn’t worth mentioning?
What Springfield needs to do is introduce the COG system to the Hellcat, and release the design to third parties to make grip frames for it, then add at least the VIZ system. Put it all together in a Micro and Pro version and the Hellcat series will perform even better than it is now. Having said that, the trigger on Springfields lines that come from HS Produkt are good, but I would say they're just slightly behind Canik... though that isn't really saying anything bad, because a trigger just short of a Canik trigger is still a really damned good trigger.
no reason to add a VIS system to the hellcat series. Just modify the slide to accept Holosun K series like many other manufactures have then one could run any RMSc sized optic. a full sized optic needing a VIS system would be too large for the thin Hellcat frames.
@@leesamuelson except the VIZ system allows you to mount more than just just RMSc and RMR pattern optics, and some smaller optics that some may want to mount use patterns other than RMSc. Honestly, even Holosun uses a "modified" RMSc pattern that won't mount directly to a Hellcat without modifying the pins or using a mounting plate. So, yes, the Hellcat COULD benefit from the addition of the VIZ system, especially if you want co-witness without suppressor height sights.
@@BU1Lander again there NO other optic system besides RMSC or holosun K that fits the slim line guns like a Hellcat. I would not want a larger optic hanging off the slide by over an 1/8th inch. And as I mentioned there are other companies now having their slides cut for the Holosun K series so the only mod the slimmer hellcat needs is that. Smith is now cut for the K series. Taurus and a couple others have Holsun K cuts. No reason what so ever to put a full sized 507C or a trijicon RMR or a Deltapoint optic on a slim hellcat slide they would hang off so bad you would have a snag issue with draw under concealment. So again a VIS system is of no advantage to a skinner slide. just modify the recoil posts to accept the Holosun K series from the factory and there are literally a crap load of different brands that would work. just not full sized optics.
I've wanting to grab one of these for months now. Now they offer a comped version so maybe it's good I waited
I'm getting the comp version for edc. It's gonna be a nice one can't go wrong with the echelon.
They should have made a comped version right out the gate for the Compact. Now we gotta wait ANOTHER year to get what we SHOULD have gotten now.
Not everyone cares about a comp.
No, no, no...The HC Pro is just perfect as is. Even for a bed side gun, the Pro has plenty of capacity and is perfectly sized. Unless you're competing I just don't get the appeal of these larger frame pistols today. Yeah, smaller guns require more practice, but you should be doing that anyway. And I love the U notch sites! Very quick and intuitive acquisition for us dinosaurs that don't rock a dot.
I like the Echelon and its design, but I have multiple XDm Elites and the shootability between the 2 really doesn’t justify me buying a full size Echelon.
I’m a da of Smith and Wesson and can’t decide if I want the m&p carry comp or the echelon comp.
I own the hellcat pro and echelon full size
The echelon in the hellcat pro size. The trigger is better and it looks amazing.
I have the echelon and its good gun but not out of the box. The trigger is a big gripe and the plastic guide rod. The plastic guide rod that came with my echelon was the cheapest plastic you could get. I couldn't see the plastic guide rod making even 500-1000 rounds. After only about 100 rounds I started seeing major wear on the plastic guide rod were it contacts the barrel. The plastic trigger I'm not sure who could get use to it because the break and reset is different every time. Once I replaced the plastic guide rod with a stainless steel one from NDZ and the trigger with Tyrant CNC trigger it became a great gun. Personally out of box experience, there are better options out there. I think its biggest positive is the optic mounting system, stippling, and slide.
@cshalley what would You recommend instead of echelon 4c?
I was talking to my friend earlier this morning and he mentioned to me about a certain website that he goes on that he said that there were talks about a lot of your gun manufacturers are beginning to reach the max limit in coming up with new designs for guns. When he said that I sat there and pondered for about a good minute and realize yeah I agree with him I think we're at the age of where we're at our peak limit with gun designs you can only doodle so much on a pistol frame or rifle and claimed that it's a brand new product in the market. I mean they all have the same guts and parts in the end. I mean the only new technology you'd be able to come up with is possibly lightsabers, chainsaw swords, or laser guns lol.
Dude, I 100% agree if they slim that 4.0 down I would be all over it. As nice as that 4.0 is I already have three pistols in that size and I just don’t need a fourth, so come on Springfield slim that 4.0 down.
The magazines on the Echelons get shot out, they just don't drop with gravity. They are actually forcibly ejected out of the gun.
The hellcat is too snappy. Springfield needs to replace the hellcat line.
Hoping to see a 3.5 subcompact version.
Is that the new Springfield Siglock?
SA is OBSOLETE to me here in Illinois, forever. I wish they'd move their operations out of my state.
I agree they made their XD pistols obsolete because they put all of them on deep discount. Are they really obsolete? No. They are guns and they work, but they are obsolete in that they aren’t their flagship pistols anymore.
The XD was obsolete before Springfield made them.
Did they fix the trigger reset? Only complaint I have (as well as 90% of all reviews) indicated the trigger reset was a little too light. I can shoot my echelon fast because it shoots so flat, but I have to wait on the trigger reset. This sent me to the Walther PDP Pro.
I dont like the idea of them small slide rails. I prefer the full length slide rails like on the p365xl. Just my preference , seems more robust
I hear what you are saying but that comes into the Hellcat pro territory. if you narrow the slide there is no reason to use the VIS system as then you are using any smaller optic with the RMSc mount. Larger optics are too big and will hang way over slide as they would on Hellcat pro. I had a Hellcat pro and got rid of it. Crappy trigger and hated the squared off grip that would hit certain points in hand under the snappier recoil that made it uncomfortable to shoot. I now have Shadow systems CR920X that feels way better in the hand, much nicer trigger and 15rd factory capacity. Also optional 18 rd mags coming. this 4.0C is designed to compete in the G19 territory of 4" compacts.
How are you liking the SS? I was about to drop on the CR920XP till I watched and read all the feed issues it was having... till then I had the impression that their QC was on the Lexus level. As a Texan and Vet would love to support them, but reliability and support are king with me.
@@cohoonatube I don't have the P version just the X. I have no interest in a ported or comped gun for carry. My CR920X has been flawless so far. When I bought it I lubed it per manual and ran a bit over 200 rounds first day with CCI 115gr and not a single issue except by my big hands riding the slide lock keeping it from locking back last round on occasion. I have that issue with every hand gun I own. I need to focus on keeping thumb from riding slide locks. Been at range several more times and still no issues. I can run a plate rack pretty well with it.
@@leesamuelson Excellent! Thanks for sharing, they are outstanding options.
I think that’s what they were trying to do lol
I think you do a excellent review but yu gad to work pretty hard to find things wrong with the Echelon Compact. I own eleven different Springfield pistols and I believe they are the best handguns made and they are all under $2000 and I have Walthers Smith and Wesson and even Taurus and I just like guns. Keep up the good work 👏
To bad there is not a compact Kit for the folks that purchased the full size
They will eventually. Probably later 2025. Sig does the same thing. The New P365 fuse can't be bought in pieces yet either.
Change out the grip
I don’t see where the echelon fits in at all really. It’s supposed to be for carry, but the hellcat is better in every way. They should work on the hellcat line instead of coming up with new stuff. The prodigy is great too. Those two guns are what they should be focusing on besides 1911s
I loath ambidextrous controls.
I’ll take my Walther PDP Compact.
lmao at Springfield fans somehow always finding a way to replace their Springfield guns with more Springfield guns lol
its not the fact that its staying in brand, it's the fact that they are just replacing their gun line with the same gun but this time were somewhere down the ver9.0 pipeline similar to glocks
I love everything about mine. The size and weight doesn't bother me. I'm a smaller guy, 5'7" 180, and carry the full size. A bit much with the 20 round but that's my secondary mag. 38 rounds ain't bad for 2 mags lol. The thing that bothers me the most is the gun is full ambi but you can't switch the side for the takedown lever. I want my throttle on the right side. Why make a weapon lefthand-able but not put that on both sides?
Did they fix the mag problem ?
Way too thick as a CCW imo 😢
Dude this Echelon 4.0 is Glock 19 size and a lot of people carry that gun. This was not intended for people that like carrying micronines like the Hellcat nor pocket pistols…
At about 6k rounds with my hcp runs flawlessly
I don’t like Springfield Armory. But this pistol made me interested. Then Ruger dropped the RXM and took my money
Are you listening Walther for a PPS M3?????
Their past pistols were always obsolete compared to the rest of the market so it’s really no difference to them. Perhaps they finally made one that’s not.
I must respectfully disagree on his opinion of the U-notch rear sight. I wish that style could be on each carry gun that I have. It's super easy and really fast to get a proper sight picture. Wilson Combat sells a couple that are very similar, one with Tritium, one without. Is this an ideal rear sight for target shooting, no. Personally, that's not important to me. I have a few other pistols for that.
I have carried the same exact SA 1911A1 "National Match" since 1985. That old .45 has been a lot of miles with me so I think I will just hang on to it. Although I have never really much figured out what made it a " National Match"? Seems pretty G.I. to me. 🤔
Just an engraving to charge more 😂
Hope they offer it in 45 acp
I am a man I carry full size not a fan of compact
Hellcat pro does most of that
Ive put well over 25k rounds through my xd 9. 15k of reloads and have only had maybe 10 jams and failure to feeds. That sucks you got a dud….
I don't have quite that many rounds through mine, and only had 2 FTEs.
The biggest failure point I see is the plastic rear rails. I don't imagine those will last more than 10-15k rounds before they start to warp.
springfield and walther like to have an identity crisis every few years
**Echelon it's still not in 45 ACP
**It's still not designed with ambidextrous controls.
**And it's got a brand new proprietary magazines, oh no we couldn't make it where it takes the old XD mags, we want you to go out and buy brand new mags for it.
**To me that's three strikes.
**And if they don't bring out an XDM Elite in 45 ACP I will look for another vendor.
**I also want to see them make the Elite with a 6-inch slide in 10 mm to give a better option than the Glock model 40
It has an ambidextrous slide stop and mag release. What more do you want, and ambidextrous trigger?
I agree I would like to see it in something other than 9mm. I won't be holding my breath though.
Exactly why I sold my Springfields, and went to glocks
@@cavalieroutdoors6036 oops I'm sorry, I was thinking of the hellcat,
**I will say that the magazine releases looks overly large maybe to the point where it would be detrimental.
**And the slide releases looks awfully small, maybe too small to get good leverage, to be able to drop the slide, without maximum effort.
**With this being a chassis system maybe they can improve that, and make it XD magazine compatible.
**But I still want to get it in 45 ACP, and a 6-inch slide 10 mm.
**Other than cheaper training I have no reason to have a 9mm poodle shooter.
Wilson 77 looks like a pistol to me?😅😅