@@jayneyp8683 Dominic West did capture a convincing essence on occasions, especially of the understandable frustration triggered by all those explosive situations. I felt for the onscreen Charles virtually as much as I felt for the real one back in those days. His dramatic performance was thoroughly enjoyable just for itself.
The casting could be better - Stauton and Debicki are great. Prince Philip doesn't look like him. West is too handsome to play Charles. Anne looks like Margaret. Queen mother looks nothing like her.
Elizabeth Debicki as Princess Diana is the standout performance from Season 5. She's amazingly good. The accent, the mannerisms. All excellent. The best portrayal of Diana I've ever seen. She literally becomes Diana. It's quite spooky!
personally, I didn't have much sympathy for the character of Elizabeth this season... she came off as only caring about her yacht... not her husband, not her children... she wasn't even happy doing public/ceremonial work or meeting with the PM. Did she crack a smile the whole season? Sure, this was the low point in her reign, but she came off as cold, grumpy and mean the whole time. I thought it was great disservice to the late Queen who by all accounts was a charming, likeable person who at least in public always put on a brave, kind face.
@@graphiquejack I see what you're getting at. However, I can't totally agree. There are still many moments of levity which I think Imelda Staunton played beautifully. For instance, that bit at the end of Ipatiev House, where she is playing with the dogs, and then she sees Phillip watching, and they share a tender moment both smiling at each other. In fact, I think this season might be the first where the Queen tells an *actual* joke (the Iron Curtain bit), no matter how corny it was. There were definitely less of these moments than in previous seasons, but they definitely were still there. On the whole, the Queen is less happy than in previous seasons, but I don't necessarily see that as a bad thing, because to describe the early 90s as a "low point" for the monarchy is massively understating things. It was arguably the closest the UK has ever come to actually dissolving the monarchy, and the family were tearing chunks out of each other left, right, and centre, usually in public. On top of all that, the overarching theme of her character this season, much like Britannia, was the idea of being decommissioned. They couldn't have made it much clearer in the final episode, but the themes are there all along, and one can't really play the idea of becoming irrelevant or redundant without being pretty depresso.
I refuse to watch any of it.. Netflix are deliberately misrepresenting the RF for money and profit. No one knows what they are really like behind closed doors and their personal lives shouldn’t be a topic of speculation and lies for the publics amusement. I wonder how these actors or anyone would feel if their personal lives were put on display for the entire World to see and most of the material wasn’t even true ! ☹️
Jonathan is right. Most of the criticism came from people who have not even seen the show. Considering it all, all portrayals were very flattering, especially PM John Major, who was one of the first to criticize the series.
The very first episode as a completely fabricated event that was based on nothing apart from a writers imagination. They’ve gone from telling mostly truths to making stuff up for the sake of it.
My Gateaway.. So you’d be happy for a bunch of actors to impersonate your family based on lies and put it out there for the World to see. I wonder how flattering you’d find it. The Royal Family’s personal lives are none of our business. There are entitled to their privacy and only their duty and work lives should be a topic of discussion. Their personal lives should not be on display for the publics amusement!
I think the reason people were upset was because before the series aired, several plot lines were leaked and reported by the press and these storylines were completely false and actually quite damaging to living people’s reputations because many people assume that everything portrayed in The Zcrown is true. Price even says in this interview ‘Everything we’re portraying is true’ but that in itself is not factual. Major was upset because the show claims that Charles was plotting to force the Queen to abdicate and discussed this with him, which is such a baseless lie it’s hard to understand why it was included. So yes, friends of Charles would quite naturally be upset that a man who has faced criticism for decades, much of it unfairly, is yet again being portrayed as villainous for something he never even did. So yah, when the Crown pulls stunts like that, it deserves criticism. One thing I will say is I appreciated that the show was at least nuanced and mostly fair when it came to his marriage and divorce with Diana. It showed that both people made mistakes and they both had reservations about the marriage and as time went on it was clear they weren’t suitable for each other. I thought Charles was often to be pitied throughout the run of the last two seasons. So why they added this storyline of betrayal against his own mother? No idea…
I think Johnathan Pryce responded to that question perfectly. The arguments being made against The Crown remind me of the arguments US politicians used to make against violent video games, all of whom it seemed to be lost upon that video games have age ratings and it's up to parents to decide. If you're somebody who takes this show so seriously that you treat it as fact, don't watch it, it's clearly not made for you, but don't berate the people who enjoy it for what it is, a drama, not a documentary.
@andrew Richardson, also the RF is perfectly fine with movies, documentaries that make them appear angelic and with few to no flaws. It is no longer 1970. The Firm best get used to the books, critiques. A guarantee that films will come out slowly now the Queen is gone. It happened to other historical figures and it will happen to her. You stated everything well. Those who do not want to watch should not watch it.
One of my favorite series. I enjoyed this season. The casting for Camilla, Diana, the first prime minister and prince Phillip was so on point. Actually I think prince Phillip as Johnathan Pryce was even my favorite. The beginning of episode 2 with him was hilarious and it felt like real Phillip to me.
I have a problem with people who think the Crown is bad because some bits aren't accurate or the facts are stretched to move the story along. I have that problem because never once were we promised, by any of the people involved in the show, that this would be a perfectly factual recreation of the lives of the Royal Family. In fact, they promised something completely different: a fictionalised dramatisation. Many shows about historical figures have adopted this angle, because it gives the directors and writers a lot more creative space. It's not a new technique, and we shouldn't criticise the show based on a misunderstanding.
I think it is clearly a dramatization of the events that happened. The outstanding production values inputted into the series (acting, styling, language and poetry of dialogue) are extremely admirable. I think if there is anything that I can personally get from it is the truth that people in high places are human -- and the most challenging ones are those who have to commit to a higher sense of duty. That struggle between personal indulgence and duty is what makes these people human, how they respond to it, and how they move from it are what makes them bigger than just symbols. The Trailer says it all: ""No institution is beyond reproach, and no member of it either. The high standards we in the monarchy are held to by the public must be the same benchmark to which we hold ourselves personally. If we can't admit the errors of our past, what hope for reconciliation can there be?" In my opinion, it doesn't show just show the challenges that the RF face, it also shows the strength they need to face those challenges -- individually and as a family. That's just my opinion.
Hmmm. As I read your insights (and I don't entirely disagree with them), it crossed my mind that perhaps "doing one's duty," doing it first above all else, and not breaking protocols is something a person (whether a royal or not) might cling to and play as a "Get Out of Jail Free" card. As within the confessional, the individual might believe him/herself absolved. Still, that would always be in conflict with the demands of genuinely caring for others and maintaining self-care (much less any rigorous intellect) of any human being. Fascinating how there are numerous, multi-faceted layers of behaviors and practices linked to unresolved trauma within this highly dysfunctional family which lives (if you look at it bluntly) on the dole. It is tax-payer's money that sustains the royals even if they don't have to line up for their cheques on welfare Wednesday like the red-blooded folks.
Franklymydear777..How accepting would you be if it was your family who was on display for the World to judge and being portrayed in a dishonest way. Far too many of the audience don’t even realise it’s a drama and take it as fact! Their status shouldn’t mean they can be put on display for our amusement. The Royal Family’s personal lives are none of our business especially when it is based on lies and speculation and causes distress to them.
@@dee8714 Hi Dee! I understand where you're coming from. However, I choose to see it also from the perspective that it is what it is. They are not just any ordinary family. They are in the public eye and no matter how much they try to keep it private, there will always be curiosity, interest and on the darker side, exploitation of media to spur the drama. That is what makes their roles very demanding in their personal lives too. That is where the separation of duty to country and duty to their lives is. That is where the strength of QE2 is seen esp in Seasons 1 and 2, 3 and 4 (and significantly in real life). QE2 lay down the benchmark. The Crown Season 5 encounters its controversy not only because it is close to recent events but also because it is how people respond to the story of the family. Humans by nature are drawn to those stories. If we see it as controversial, it will be controversial. If we see it as admiring their integrity and strength to commit to their duty, to bounce back, to see Monarchy filtering those who can and could not commit to it, to see their frailties as opportunities to rise above adversity, then the narrative becomes to have more purpose and meaning and relevance other than entertainment and amusement. Was that the intention? I do not know, but it also depends on how one responds to it. I personally think that people in high places become more relatable, admirable, and powerful if they are able to face their faults and rise above them. if that side of them is also seen for what it is especially if they are able to reverse the situation and rise above it. Sadly not all will make it. I am not from the UK but have great admiration for Monarchy and were it not for things such as The Crown, I would not have understood the demands and expectations that British Monarchy faces. I have been to London and seen Buckingham Palace, in awe of how it has stood the test of time. And I envy the UK for it because they have these people who with all their frailties and humanity have been able and are able to keep the establishment alive. Things like The Crown can only harm them if they allow it to. Yet I always believe history has its lessons. Monarchy also is a demonstration of human lives that undergo their struggles. We as humans find our light when we learn to face our darkness too. With great power comes great responsibility. I agree though that The Crown is not a documentary but should have full disclaimers before or after the show that everything is from the perspective of the writers and the show.🙂
I have watched everything Imelda Staunton has done, except the Harry Potter films. She is excellent in EVERYthing.. I plan to binge watch this tonight! Lesley Manville is another one.. wow... great cast. Jonathan Pryce and Dominick West.. and Elizabeth Debicki looks so much like Diana...
The casting of this new season is spotty. The woman playing Diana is eerily good, Johnny Lee Miller as Major was spot on. I will always love Lesley Manville in anything. But Staunton as QE2 and Pryce as Philip were miscast. I feel like it went from brilliance with Claire Foy, passible with Olivia Coleman and terrible with Staunton who is a good actress but all I saw was Dolores Umbridge with Elizabeth’s hair. She was thoroughly unlikeable all season. Charles comes off better than her, honestly, even with these ludicrous storylines where he’s trying to get her to abdicate. I also found it particularly cruel to insinuate that Elizabeth and Philip were barely tolerating each other, when all accounts say they had a pretty stable, happy marriage, despite his alleged infidelities and their different interests.
Agreed I think there are wardrobe mistakes, makeup mistakes, wig mistakes. I don't buy the Princess Anne character at all. Personally I think Leslie Manville as Margaret steals the show but by the same token I think Margaret is probably the best role to play for any actress because Margaret herself was so dramatic it appears (she was a Leo after all so its totally believable ) Ive only watched 4 so far. trying to space it out So could be convinced otherwise
@@annetessari1004 When Anne showed up in the first episode I thought she was supposed to be Margaret! How did no one from the casting dept. see that she's a spitting image of the real Margaret...Everyone is saying the same thing on Twitter too. totally pulls me out of her character
Staunton only seems that way because she is portraying the Queen too close to how we all knew her in the last years. It was like viola davis portraying michelle obama. It didn't work because we could place every misstep in the character. I doubt that coleman and Claire would have been as commended if they were playing an era of Elizabeth that was closer to history. But i do remember thinking helen mirren should have gave it another go.
@@tasibho you're actually so right. bc tbh none of them look like the queen or really match her mannerisms *that* well at all. but because i wasn't around for the periods that claire or olivia portray, i buy them. but i know the old queen, so i know staunton isn't her
Saw the entire series. So well done. Certainly a PR job to improve acceptance of Camilla and Charles’ image and rule, but also wonderful how they gave the Fayed family so much detail. So many things I didn’t know about them. Those “royalist” critics are probably bots or have never seen the Crown. If they had, they would know the series is only positive for the entire Royal family or are creating controversy so more will see it.
EXACTLY this: "Certainly a PR job to improve acceptance of Camilla and Charles’ image and rule". I noticed that definite bent this season. I get it- they ahve to. there is no way the royal family today could allow a story sympathetic to Diana to role...they wouldn't make it. The death of the institution of the BRF is being carefully maneuvered by them- they know it is coming and trying to hold on as long as possible and transition out as well as they can.
Lisa Grace: It was sympathetic to Diana, but unlike the media tripe (from the ppl who killed her) calling her the peoples princess and damning Charles and Camilla, this was sympathetic to both Diana and Charles/Camilla. As it was based more so on what happened/fact. It wasn’t garbage the media had pushed. Charles and Diana were on good terms before she died. Charles did go visit her a few times and had tea with her before she died. They were amicable and friendly as friends just not as husband and wife. The show tried to fictionally portray that in one scene whilst showing WHY they couldn’t be together due to temperament. But they cared about each other. Was maturely and in an adult sense sympathetic to both and all sides. Not sensationalist and juvenile
Superb acting though all may not be true. My fave is Imelda Staunton who played the Queen. Those speechless difficult moments were all explained in her speechless expressions. First class acting. She captured Her Majesty’s moods n made me empathized with QE even more. I honestly felt the Queen was brutally ‘bullied’ in this season. Well done!
The real reason why the royal family is mad at Netflix is because they don’t want gen Z to know about what happened with Charles and Diana just last year when season 4 aired Charles and Camilla team had to turn off the comments section of their instagram because of the way the crown showed how the royal family treated Diana and guess who was in the comments section Gen Z Charles and Camilla have worked hard to improve their relationship with the public and the royal family need the younger people to like them which is why they don’t want Netflix to air this and saying how it’s damaging them etc..
IMO actually Jonathan P's statements particularly does support the reason for the the criticism. He emphasizes that everyone knows it's a dramatization (3:01) but then expounds later to say that what was shown is "what happened" (3:30) - so really the criticism stands that the lines are truly blurred in the presentation and there is a danger in this...
hes reffering to tampongate. It did happen, and it would have been crazy to ignore it, because it did have a huge impact on the royal family especially charles and diana obviously
@@charliekliewer2643 yes it is - but my point is - the mix of "dramatization" and "truths" - which is presented as a fictionalized version of real event/ people is the reason why the lines are blurred and hence the danger of some (those who are not aware of what is real or not - or those less discerning) taking the whole thing as "gospel" and that is the danger.... validating IMO the criticisms and the need for clear disclaimers. (even with disclaimers - some people cannot tell which is fake ("drama") and which is real in terms of specific events shown.)
Most of the events (well all of the historical events) did happen, that isn’t fictionalised. Nothing is made up. What is fictionalised are the ways in which the factual events transpired. Eg Charles visited Diana a number of times on good terms before she died, they had tea and were friendly on good terms in the last year, the show depicts this by showing him visit her once, and then having a falling out again, using creative licence to depict ‘why they couldn’t be together’ despite the fact as they said they cared for each other. It’s creatively fictionalised account of actual fact, not too much distortion but creative licence in regard to how they presented factual events.
I think when it came to some historical events and trying to depict a one sided view creatively is dangerous for sure, they do seem pretty careful not to however. But impartiality doesn’t mean certain stupid ppl won’t still get the wrong idea. I think they safeguard to a large extent by not sensationalising or being too impartial
I agree with many of the comments - personally, I found this series hugely disappointing, largely because of what I feel was miscasting of most of the main roles. Supporting roles were better cast, particularly Natasha as Penny Romsey, Camilla and the Al Fayed's. The two exceptions in the main casting, both in looks and performances were the brilliant Elizabeth Debicki and Jonny Lee Miller, who were excellent. ALL (apart from Emma Corrin who I just didn't like) the cast members of the previous 4 Season's made me feel I was actually there, almost as a fly on the wall, inclusive and silent, enjoying their performances, but this time there was none of that magic. Johnathan Pryce was not the right man for Prince Phillip and although Tobias Menzies was a very hard act to follow, because he was sublime, it could have been done with better casting. Surely Helen Mirren, Miranda Richardson, Emma Thompson or Julie Andrews would have been better choices for The Queen. Unfortunately Imelda Staunton did just not do it for me at all, either in looks or character. Although these are not her fault, her hair was a dreadful attempt at the "Clubs" hairstyle and not the right shade. The clothes were reminiscent of a cleaning lady in most scenes and were neither Queenly, nor countrywoman. Imelda did not manage to portray that very distinct and undefinable quality of total divine authority that the real Queen had and the previous two Queen's got right. I didn't see much difference between Noah Solloway and Prince Charles in Dominic West's performance and since he CAN do that clipped accent why didn't he? Neither did he attempt to bring the essence of PC to the character in any of his mannerisms. Debicki got Diana's voice down to a T, yet none of the other main characters spoke well enough. Leslie Manville would probably have been better playing the older Princess Royal and I felt her older quietened down version rather dull after the incredible performances of Vanessa Kirby and Helena Bonham Carter who both got the flamboyant character of Princess Margaret perfectly. I was also rather bored and disappointed with the story itself this time, with far too much focus through the whole season of the Wales's. There were two other divorces and three other children in the Royal family and you'd hardly know they existed in this series. HM The Queen Mother was a dreadful casting mistake. It was also quite odd, considering Her Majesty used to try and ride as often as she could, that we never saw her riding. We could have had far more about her countryside life. What on earth were those three random couples in divorce therapy about, other than to show that the Wales's had to go through the same bog standard court process. I actually fast forwarded these bits. For me, it wasn't just the miscasting, although with the right actors, it may have been better, but there was something else just missing from it all and after such a long wait, I feel rather like a deflated balloon after an anticipated party ended too soon. I shall not be in quite such a hurry to bother with Series 6 if it ever materializes.
I totally agree. Miscasting is the major issue here. The Queen was bland. Diana lacked empathy and charm. Margret was void of the charisma from the previous seasons. The story arcs covered this season should have been riveting but it all felt under performed and flat.
I completely agree with you. It felt like game of thrones take down took an epic series and removed all its magic. Diane was busy with all her charity work. From this series looks like she was Just sitting around her apartment moping and going for a Swim 😅 fergie is a fantastic personality and barely a mention. She got more screen time on friends 😂😂
@@laurah1291 Oh I loved your comment about Fergie on Friends and agree with you. This last series was so much of a let down and I really don't understand why or how it could have happened.
Imelda Staunton did such an incredible job in The Crown. I was shocked by Judi Dench's criticism - especially when she was well aware it was a drama not a documentary. Many of the actors were friends of hers. I wonder how she would react if the tables were turned. Must say, I lost a lot of respect for her.
It's a good season this one, Elizabeth Debicki is good at portraying our very much loved Princess Diana and the the Queen infact everyone plays their parts to a tea. Everyone knows (The olders one) knows its just friction with some truths throw in. My husband and l finished it in one week-end we enjoyed it very much CONGRATULATIONS everyone
Elizabeth was Diana incarnate but all and all the entire cast from start to finish was pretty amazing with the exception of JFK and Carole Middleton. Sadly they are two very important characters but I wasn’t feeling it. That said, everyone involved with the production should be very proud.
I think you must remember that The Queen is mainly aimed at a US audience and is a soap first and last. Yes there are historical mistakes and some miss casting, altho Di was spot on, and key event omissions but in general a professional production. It is what it is - entertainment.
I think that the series portrays the events that really happened in a much more respectful and beautiful way than it actually was. I assume that reality was much more dirty than shown in The Crown. So why criticize on showing things that actually happened in a non-sensationalist way.
The criticism the show has received has only served in lowering my opinion of King Charles, Camilla and Judi Dench, for while the show has been streaming for 6 years, the attack from Buckingham Palace began immediately after Queen Elizabeth’s death, which only proves the popular belief that Charles is too thin-skinned and reactionary for the role of King.
I have now seen 8 episodes and I think the series makes Charles look like a modern and progressive leader. Unfortunately, it makes the Queen seem totally outdated and living in the past.
Pryce paid Prince Philip as if he was a total prig but thru these yrs I remember hilarious moments and smiles when they were together and I dont believe Philip was that good of an actor. Pryce is not a good fit for Philip
People that actually think that Netflix knows what happened between Queen Elizabeth and Prince Philip while they're in bed sleeping together are idiots. Of course it's fiction.
Debecki was amazing with Diana’s voice. Very difficult for Aussies to get that very clipped upperclass accent. The queen mother was terribly miscast. Surely they could find an actress with a big round face. Looked absolutely nothing like her and nor was the voice. The production is top class. But have to point out one little inaccuracy. Prince Philip eating at the table and holding his knife like a pencil. It is just not done. Someone should have noted it.
I’ve only seen trailers before I cancelled my Netflix account and I thought Imelda Staunton, who plays the Queen, didn’t reflect her at all. Whenever I saw the Queen she was always smiling, ready to engage with people and had a kind disposition. She certainly didn’t look like the severe person that Imelda portrayed.
I am sure that the Crown was very well produced. But I disagree with the cast members. When people, who don't follow the lives of the Royal family, are uneducated about the Monarchy and government system, watch the Crown as a drama, there is an assumption that much of what is acted out is factual. Otherwise, it would be called "Fiction". They would not know the difference. How can they know what is true and what is embellished?
Problem with the Crown is they add things that did not happen for drama while being very accurate with other events and costumes. People who watch the Crown believe it all happened. The Crown has refused to put warning that it is dramatization note at beginning of each episode. The actual events were dramatic enough, so reason to add things that did not happen.
Whether against or for the monarchy, but the show does create an interest in them especially if there are people who had no interest before. Especially when these days and as days go on people tend to not have as much interest as they do. The show keeps them relevant to a certain degree
I thought Season 5 was excellent! The only obvious miscast to me was the Queen Mother…..too tall and too slim in comparison to the real historical figure; Other than that, I think it was excellent! Actors and acting were superb! Waiting for Season 6! 😀👍
The crown can be frustrating in moments. Epitaph moments like diana's wedding not included. Her admission of adultery on TV not included. Her death. Not included. Andrew and Sarah scandal : hardly a word. And i really don't believe Charles was that eager to get to the throne. He had Lilibet doing all the heavy lifting for him while he could go on with his causes and gardening. I do remember him when asked about being King saying he is aware his Mother would have to die, and that was not something anyone is eager for.
Her adultery was shown but it's actually also shown as to why she did have the affairs. Frankly in the entire context of things Diana's affairs weren't even the problem or a standard for her character like many idiots online attempt it to be. And they actually did depict andrew/Sarah scandal too. Also in the 90s/80s especially he was rumored to be frustrated with his mom's style and it was often highlighted that he wasn't exactly enthusiastic about waiting that long. Some of you forget that the RF's PR team did over time for 17+ years to portray Charles In a whole new light covering up his slip ups and rumors from the 70s-2000s. Also you can be upset about waiting for that long and still be sad about the idea of loosing yoir mom. If I remember correctly the original idea for the rf was that the queen abdicate because she was too old not die a theme that was also very relevant in 2019/2020. Like you literally proved his point..ppl who have an issue never watched the seasons
@@kanamenoname210 stop. Just stop. Who potrays sarah this season then?..they mentioned it in passing with an audience between the Queen and Andrew. ..it was a major scandal within the monarchy. It deserved a more dramatic storyline between the parties involved. I spoke about her admission to the adultery. A shocking moment during that panaroma interview. Not the depiction in season 4 . you misunderstand my comment then say i havent watched . sit down. Write your own comment somewhere and disagree with yourself.
I feel very cheated that they didn't feature James Hewitt. They should have got rid of some of the fake stuff and squeezed that bit in. Still, well done to all, especially the 'Diana,' who is superb.
I thought he was one of the guys smuggled into Kensington Palace. Maybe he didn’t have a big role because Netflix’s own royal insider didn’t want the show reminding everyone of those rumours of who his father really is… 🤣
@@graphiquejack The young man strongly resembles Charles and Phillip, and in any case was born before Hewitt became a thing, so the rumours are way off.
Olivia Williams and Jonathan Pryce nail the public perception of Camilla and Prince Philip. As well as the young actress playing Princess Diana. I just never saw Diana as someone disrespecting the monarch at any point in her life but, I’m American who never paid that much attention to the British tabloids.
I am currently in the midst of watching season 5, and as much of it is a docudrama, the most striking aspect for me as an American and Royal watcher has been the lies and deceitfulness of the RF in nearly all matters in real life and for centuries.. That being said, while details are arguable the monarchy is fascinating from a historical perspective, but i find painfully little to admire or respect. Bottom line there is little difference between American politicians and the British RF with the exception of time in "office" and inherited position vs elected, both deceitful, corrupt, sorely lacking dignity, character, honesty and integrity, the British are just more fun to watch!
Just thinking out loud. Tim Dalton would be good as Earl Mountbatten. I don’t know why they cast Charles Dance as Dickie? He would have made a perfect ageing Philip. I don’t complain about Jon Pryce, who was good too, hoever looks wise.
Many viewers are complaining because of the bad casting and filming etc. e.g. After watching series 5 I discovered that Diana was very tall, but (in 'photos/vidoes etc.) was never shown to tower over everyone else - apart from in this series. That's a plus point for historical accuracy, but as very little actual evidence has been revealed so far about the the events in the '90s - the series clinged to the known events - as portrayed in the Diana, Panorama interview/Andrew Morton book etc. etc. In short, it was an understandable disappointment in the absence of so little, actual historical evidence.
Keep Diana and Charles' equation apart, the way the makers berated the relationship between the Queen and Charles was below the belt. Praying for monarch's abdication is a high order treason. They tried their utmost to portray Charles as malicious as possible. More than Diana I was empathetic to the Queen because of the show's Charles' behavior. It kind of depicted that Charles was rejoicing the Queen's downfall.
I was around during that time. He did seem overly eager to see his mother pass the baton. Of course he didn’t want his mother to fail, but he did want to rule when he was in his prime.
While I don't love The Crown, I would never say that the show seeks to make anyone out to be an outright villain or actively tries to portray anyone unfairly. On the contrary, it's very sympathetic to all the family members, who have grown up within or married into an extremely unusual institution that is unforgiving to the human experience. The public understandably likes villainizing Charles and Camilla, sanctifying Diana, and ignoring all the good and bad that would challenge their beliefs, but at the end of the day the three of them... all made their choices and carried out choices made for them in order to fulfill certain duties and obligations for which they had few other options, if any at all. That's the way it's always been, and all their overdone love triangle story did was highlight why the members of the royal family are not a one size fits all when it comes to the rules and regulations at a time of ever increasing media scrutiny that gave the public insight for the first time in a personal way about the dysfunction within the family the closer you get to the monarch. I also don't think this show claims to be anything but a dramatization of the facts which we know occurred. It is not a documentary; it never claimed to be one. And if anyone is taking a tv show as the absolute resource for this period of British history, that's not the fault of the show. Nor is it the show's fault if this negatively impacts King Charles' approval ratings. My experience is that people who love and worship Diana will never approve of this man. For better or for worse, that's his cross to bear, and it was always going to be renewed when he came to power regardless of the timing of the show.
Just finished watching. Beautiful performance of a queen, who desperately tries to hold her family together and fails with Charles and Diana and Andrew. And who sets her only hope and private joy in her grandchildren. And I think, this is correct. And Harry broke her heart..
I thought this season would be the most interesting season, but I just binged watched every episode, and I was bored!!! There was no thrill or any wow revelations like previous seasons. Did they tone it down after Philip and Elizabeth died? Just boring ... Hope it gets good again next season. This is the only season that is not good so far.
Yes thank you another person who found it boring. Sort of reflected the fact that outside of Megxit, Epstein, the deaths of the 2 senior royals, the monarchy is boring. If that was their aim then they've done it.
It is based on facts, Charles and Camila's relationship Diana's relationship with Hasnat Khan and Dodi Margaret love affair with PT Anne 's divorce and marriage to second husband Fire in Windsor etc etc etc
I think this season will cause undue pain to many members of the Royal family. Prince Phillip wanted to sue over his portrayl a few seasons back, but I think it would have found it exhausting so he backed out . . but he was angry!
I think they should revist that idea of royals walk about shaking well wishers hands one day it will get ugly. Need to change that episode should serve as a warning not everybody who comes has good intentions
The Crown is a really good series and Jonathan Pryce is a great actor. But the things he says here don't make sense: 02:58 "I think that the public are well aware that it's a drama, it's not a documentary". Just have a look on the comments on clips of The Crown on youtube and you will see that Mr. Pryce is greatly mistaken on this point. Then in 03:30 Mr. Pryce says "all we are presenting in The Crown is what happened". That's the definition of a documentary. 30 seconds ago, Mr. Pryce said "it's a drama, not a documentary".
This season is good, but it certainly didn’t live up to expectations. Also, hard as I try, with Imelda Staunton, I can’t not see Delores Umbridge. There is an undercurrent in her performance as Elizabeth II that is so cold, it doesn’t seem like the Queen at all.
The worst actor to play Charles. And the actress playing the Queen did not even come close to doing her justice. They got Diana very right. Incredible work from the actress playing Diana, that is the hardest one to take on. Many actresses tried and failed badly.
Her son said she was crazy but frankly everything she said/wrote or recorded came out to be true. Tells you a lot about that system where the sons are more loyal to their future as king than their own mothers
@@kanamenoname210 of the two Harry seems to be more loyal to Diana's memory than William. William seems to be more entrenched in the Windsor side of the family which isn't unexpected to me.
Can’t bring myself to watch it. Imelda Staunton is not the right choice to play the Queen, who was warm, humorous and engaging. She is going to make her seem so stern.!
Elizabeth Debicki as Lady Diana is marvellous. Also, the casting this season is so on point! Special shoutout to Jonny Lee Miller.
I agree, except for Dominic West. He's way too attractive to play Prince Charles.
@@jayneyp8683 I thought the same thing, haha
@@jayneyp8683 Dominic West did capture a convincing essence on occasions, especially of the understandable frustration triggered by all those explosive situations. I felt for the onscreen Charles virtually as much as I felt for the real one back in those days. His dramatic performance was thoroughly enjoyable just for itself.
The casting could be better - Stauton and Debicki are great.
Prince Philip doesn't look like him. West is too handsome to play Charles. Anne looks like Margaret. Queen mother looks nothing like her.
@@jayneyp8683 agree.
Elizabeth Debicki as Diana is one of the most accurate, brilliant and slam dunk portrayals in the history of biographies
Elizabeth Debicki as Princess Diana is the standout performance from Season 5. She's amazingly good. The accent, the mannerisms. All excellent. The best portrayal of Diana I've ever seen. She literally becomes Diana. It's quite spooky!
The season 5 cast did an amazing job. Particularly Elizabeth Debicki playing Diana. Aussie pride 🇦🇺
Indeed Aussie pride, I've never been to Australia it's too far from Europe
The criticism is nonsense if anything you leave this show having empathy and can see reason for ALL sides. This cast did a marvelous job.
personally, I didn't have much sympathy for the character of Elizabeth this season... she came off as only caring about her yacht... not her husband, not her children... she wasn't even happy doing public/ceremonial work or meeting with the PM. Did she crack a smile the whole season? Sure, this was the low point in her reign, but she came off as cold, grumpy and mean the whole time. I thought it was great disservice to the late Queen who by all accounts was a charming, likeable person who at least in public always put on a brave, kind face.
@@graphiquejack it took five seasons to lose your sympathy?? It only took me one season..
@@graphiquejack I see what you're getting at. However, I can't totally agree. There are still many moments of levity which I think Imelda Staunton played beautifully. For instance, that bit at the end of Ipatiev House, where she is playing with the dogs, and then she sees Phillip watching, and they share a tender moment both smiling at each other. In fact, I think this season might be the first where the Queen tells an *actual* joke (the Iron Curtain bit), no matter how corny it was. There were definitely less of these moments than in previous seasons, but they definitely were still there.
On the whole, the Queen is less happy than in previous seasons, but I don't necessarily see that as a bad thing, because to describe the early 90s as a "low point" for the monarchy is massively understating things. It was arguably the closest the UK has ever come to actually dissolving the monarchy, and the family were tearing chunks out of each other left, right, and centre, usually in public. On top of all that, the overarching theme of her character this season, much like Britannia, was the idea of being decommissioned. They couldn't have made it much clearer in the final episode, but the themes are there all along, and one can't really play the idea of becoming irrelevant or redundant without being pretty depresso.
Agree!! Mostly media generated criticisms to sell magazines though, as they know that ANYTHING about the royal family sells!
I refuse to watch any of it.. Netflix are deliberately misrepresenting the RF for money and profit. No one knows what they are really like behind closed doors and their personal lives shouldn’t be a topic of speculation and lies for the publics amusement. I wonder how these actors or anyone would feel if their personal lives were put on display for the entire World to see and most of the material wasn’t even true ! ☹️
Elizabeth playing Diana is mindblowingly good !
Jonathan is right. Most of the criticism came from people who have not even seen the show. Considering it all, all portrayals were very flattering, especially PM John Major, who was one of the first to criticize the series.
Yes and he’s just playing himself rather than attempting the duke so he’s alright eh?
erm, it's made by a man who wants rid of the Royal Family, I don't think we need to see to know the agenda !!
The very first episode as a completely fabricated event that was based on nothing apart from a writers imagination.
They’ve gone from telling mostly truths to making stuff up for the sake of it.
My Gateaway.. So you’d be happy for a bunch of actors to impersonate your family based on lies and put it out there for the World to see. I wonder how flattering you’d find it. The Royal Family’s personal lives are none of our business. There are entitled to their privacy and only their duty and work lives should be a topic of discussion. Their personal lives should not be on display for the publics amusement!
I think the reason people were upset was because before the series aired, several plot lines were leaked and reported by the press and these storylines were completely false and actually quite damaging to living people’s reputations because many people assume that everything portrayed in The Zcrown is true. Price even says in this interview ‘Everything we’re portraying is true’ but that in itself is not factual. Major was upset because the show claims that Charles was plotting to force the Queen to abdicate and discussed this with him, which is such a baseless lie it’s hard to understand why it was included. So yes, friends of Charles would quite naturally be upset that a man who has faced criticism for decades, much of it unfairly, is yet again being portrayed as villainous for something he never even did. So yah, when the Crown pulls stunts like that, it deserves criticism. One thing I will say is I appreciated that the show was at least nuanced and mostly fair when it came to his marriage and divorce with Diana. It showed that both people made mistakes and they both had reservations about the marriage and as time went on it was clear they weren’t suitable for each other. I thought Charles was often to be pitied throughout the run of the last two seasons. So why they added this storyline of betrayal against his own mother? No idea…
I love The Crown, it’s amazing. Ignore the criticism.
I think Johnathan Pryce responded to that question perfectly. The arguments being made against The Crown remind me of the arguments US politicians used to make against violent video games, all of whom it seemed to be lost upon that video games have age ratings and it's up to parents to decide. If you're somebody who takes this show so seriously that you treat it as fact, don't watch it, it's clearly not made for you, but don't berate the people who enjoy it for what it is, a drama, not a documentary.
Well said.
What a twisted argument... nonsense in my opinion. Comparing this with that, please...
This argument makes no sense.
@andrew Richardson, also the RF is perfectly fine with movies, documentaries that make them appear angelic and with few to no flaws. It is no longer 1970. The Firm best get used to the books, critiques. A guarantee that films will come out slowly now the Queen is gone. It happened to other historical figures and it will happen to her. You stated everything well. Those who do not want to watch should not watch it.
@@MTknitter22 exactly. This show, this season doesn't portray them in their best light and they don't like that. Too bad.
One of my favorite series. I enjoyed this season. The casting for Camilla, Diana, the first prime minister and prince Phillip was so on point. Actually I think prince Phillip as Johnathan Pryce was even my favorite. The beginning of episode 2 with him was hilarious and it felt like real Phillip to me.
Hi Greta how are you doing today?
Just finished all 10 episodes. Great job to the cast. Can’t wait for season 6 ❤
Just finished season 5, enjoyed every episode. Cannot wait for season 6 ❤
I have a problem with people who think the Crown is bad because some bits aren't accurate or the facts are stretched to move the story along. I have that problem because never once were we promised, by any of the people involved in the show, that this would be a perfectly factual recreation of the lives of the Royal Family. In fact, they promised something completely different: a fictionalised dramatisation. Many shows about historical figures have adopted this angle, because it gives the directors and writers a lot more creative space. It's not a new technique, and we shouldn't criticise the show based on a misunderstanding.
Elizabeth debicki and johnny lee miller: superb. Excellent casting overall.
I’ve finished 6 of the segments of season five - it is excellent and very well acted. I hope the Crown continues. Outstanding
I think it is clearly a dramatization of the events that happened. The outstanding production values inputted into the series (acting, styling, language and poetry of dialogue) are extremely admirable. I think if there is anything that I can personally get from it is the truth that people in high places are human -- and the most challenging ones are those who have to commit to a higher sense of duty. That struggle between personal indulgence and duty is what makes these people human, how they respond to it, and how they move from it are what makes them bigger than just symbols. The Trailer says it all: ""No institution is beyond reproach, and no member of it either. The high standards we in the monarchy are held to by the public must be the same benchmark to which we hold ourselves personally. If we can't admit the errors of our past, what hope for reconciliation can there be?" In my opinion, it doesn't show just show the challenges that the RF face, it also shows the strength they need to face those challenges -- individually and as a family. That's just my opinion.
Hmmm. As I read your insights (and I don't entirely disagree with them), it crossed my mind that perhaps "doing one's duty," doing it first above all else, and not breaking protocols is something a person (whether a royal or not) might cling to and play as a "Get Out of Jail Free" card. As within the confessional, the individual might believe him/herself absolved. Still, that would always be in conflict with the demands of genuinely caring for others and maintaining self-care (much less any rigorous intellect) of any human being.
Fascinating how there are numerous, multi-faceted layers of behaviors and practices linked to unresolved trauma within this highly dysfunctional family which lives (if you look at it bluntly) on the dole. It is tax-payer's money that sustains the royals even if they don't have to line up for their cheques on welfare Wednesday like the red-blooded folks.
Franklymydear777..How accepting would you be if it was your family who was on display for the World to judge and being portrayed in a dishonest way. Far too many of the audience don’t even realise it’s a drama and take it as fact! Their status shouldn’t mean they can be put on display for our amusement. The Royal Family’s personal lives are none of our business especially when it is based on lies and speculation and causes distress to them.
@@dee8714 Hi Dee! I understand where you're coming from. However, I choose to see it also from the perspective that it is what it is. They are not just any ordinary family. They are in the public eye and no matter how much they try to keep it private, there will always be curiosity, interest and on the darker side, exploitation of media to spur the drama. That is what makes their roles very demanding in their personal lives too. That is where the separation of duty to country and duty to their lives is. That is where the strength of QE2 is seen esp in Seasons 1 and 2, 3 and 4 (and significantly in real life). QE2 lay down the benchmark. The Crown Season 5 encounters its controversy not only because it is close to recent events but also because it is how people respond to the story of the family. Humans by nature are drawn to those stories. If we see it as controversial, it will be controversial. If we see it as admiring their integrity and strength to commit to their duty, to bounce back, to see Monarchy filtering those who can and could not commit to it, to see their frailties as opportunities to rise above adversity, then the narrative becomes to have more purpose and meaning and relevance other than entertainment and amusement. Was that the intention? I do not know, but it also depends on how one responds to it. I personally think that people in high places become more relatable, admirable, and powerful if they are able to face their faults and rise above them. if that side of them is also seen for what it is especially if they are able to reverse the situation and rise above it. Sadly not all will make it. I am not from the UK but have great admiration for Monarchy and were it not for things such as The Crown, I would not have understood the demands and expectations that British Monarchy faces. I have been to London and seen Buckingham Palace, in awe of how it has stood the test of time. And I envy the UK for it because they have these people who with all their frailties and humanity have been able and are able to keep the establishment alive. Things like The Crown can only harm them if they allow it to. Yet I always believe history has its lessons. Monarchy also is a demonstration of human lives that undergo their struggles. We as humans find our light when we learn to face our darkness too. With great power comes great responsibility. I agree though that The Crown is not a documentary but should have full disclaimers before or after the show that everything is from the perspective of the writers and the show.🙂
congrats to all the actors, they did a phenomenal job!
Superbly done Netflix…….loved season 5, can’t wait for season 6!
I have watched everything Imelda Staunton has done, except the Harry Potter films. She is excellent in EVERYthing.. I plan to binge watch this tonight! Lesley Manville is another one.. wow... great cast. Jonathan Pryce and Dominick West.. and Elizabeth Debicki looks so much like Diana...
You'll love to hate her in Harry Potter 😂 she's wickedly evil
Elizabeth is just UNREALY beautiful. Just. Unrealy.
I LOVE these interviews where 90% of what I hear is the presenter talking non stop and over the people interviewed,
The casting of this new season is spotty. The woman playing Diana is eerily good, Johnny Lee Miller as Major was spot on. I will always love Lesley Manville in anything. But Staunton as QE2 and Pryce as Philip were miscast. I feel like it went from brilliance with Claire Foy, passible with Olivia Coleman and terrible with Staunton who is a good actress but all I saw was Dolores Umbridge with Elizabeth’s hair. She was thoroughly unlikeable all season. Charles comes off better than her, honestly, even with these ludicrous storylines where he’s trying to get her to abdicate. I also found it particularly cruel to insinuate that Elizabeth and Philip were barely tolerating each other, when all accounts say they had a pretty stable, happy marriage, despite his alleged infidelities and their different interests.
Agreed I think there are wardrobe mistakes, makeup mistakes, wig mistakes. I don't buy the Princess Anne character at all. Personally I think Leslie Manville as Margaret steals the show but by the same token I think Margaret is probably the best role to play for any actress because Margaret herself was so dramatic it appears (she was a Leo after all so its totally believable ) Ive only watched 4 so far. trying to space it out So could be convinced otherwise
Don't slander Olivia she as great too :( I find Pryce pretty believable in his mannerisms, but I agree Staunton def doesn't convince me.
@@annetessari1004 When Anne showed up in the first episode I thought she was supposed to be Margaret! How did no one from the casting dept. see that she's a spitting image of the real Margaret...Everyone is saying the same thing on Twitter too. totally pulls me out of her character
Staunton only seems that way because she is portraying the Queen too close to how we all knew her in the last years. It was like viola davis portraying michelle obama. It didn't work because we could place every misstep in the character. I doubt that coleman and Claire would have been as commended if they were playing an era of Elizabeth that was closer to history. But i do remember thinking helen mirren should have gave it another go.
@@tasibho you're actually so right. bc tbh none of them look like the queen or really match her mannerisms *that* well at all. but because i wasn't around for the periods that claire or olivia portray, i buy them. but i know the old queen, so i know staunton isn't her
Saw the entire series. So well done. Certainly a PR job to improve acceptance of Camilla and Charles’ image and rule, but also wonderful how they gave the Fayed family so much detail. So many things I didn’t know about them. Those “royalist” critics are probably bots or have never seen the Crown. If they had, they would know the series is only positive for the entire Royal family or are creating controversy so more will see it.
C. Dima: I don’t think “The Crown” is positive for the Royal Family. Have you watched the film “Unlawful Killing”?
No amount of PR can change the insanity they put Princess Diana through. Camelface is cringe.
EXACTLY this: "Certainly a PR job to improve acceptance of Camilla and Charles’ image and rule". I noticed that definite bent this season. I get it- they ahve to. there is no way the royal family today could allow a story sympathetic to Diana to role...they wouldn't make it. The death of the institution of the BRF is being carefully maneuvered by them- they know it is coming and trying to hold on as long as possible and transition out as well as they can.
Lisa Grace: It was sympathetic to Diana, but unlike the media tripe (from the ppl who killed her) calling her the peoples princess and damning Charles and Camilla, this was sympathetic to both Diana and Charles/Camilla. As it was based more so on what happened/fact. It wasn’t garbage the media had pushed. Charles and Diana were on good terms before she died. Charles did go visit her a few times and had tea with her before she died. They were amicable and friendly as friends just not as husband and wife. The show tried to fictionally portray that in one scene whilst showing WHY they couldn’t be together due to temperament. But they cared about each other. Was maturely and in an adult sense sympathetic to both and all sides. Not sensationalist and juvenile
Superb acting though all may not be true. My fave is Imelda Staunton who played the Queen. Those speechless difficult moments were all explained in her speechless expressions. First class acting. She captured Her Majesty’s moods n made me empathized with QE even more. I honestly felt the Queen was brutally ‘bullied’ in this season. Well done!
Just started watching, brilliant season!
Season 5 was very well done.
Brilliant Show!! Love it!!
She did the role in a very excellent shape! Better than the queen this season!
As long as we remember, this is a dramatization and not a documentary
Season 5 is great.
Very jobe well done everyone! Loved season 5! Kudos!
"Truth can be stranger than fiction" he said ...In the case of the Royals ! FOR SURE:. Excellent Brilliant cast by the way😊
The real reason why the royal family is mad at Netflix is because they don’t want gen Z to know about what happened with Charles and Diana just last year when season 4 aired Charles and Camilla team had to turn off the comments section of their instagram because of the way the crown showed how the royal family treated Diana and guess who was in the comments section Gen Z Charles and Camilla have worked hard to improve their relationship with the public and the royal family need the younger people to like them which is why they don’t want Netflix to air this and saying how it’s damaging them etc..
IMO actually Jonathan P's statements particularly does support the reason for the the criticism. He emphasizes that everyone knows it's a dramatization (3:01) but then expounds later to say that what was shown is "what happened" (3:30) - so really the criticism stands that the lines are truly blurred in the presentation and there is a danger in this...
hes reffering to tampongate. It did happen, and it would have been crazy to ignore it, because it did have a huge impact on the royal family especially charles and diana obviously
@@charliekliewer2643 yes it is - but my point is - the mix of "dramatization" and "truths" - which is presented as a fictionalized version of real event/ people is the reason why the lines are blurred and hence the danger of some (those who are not aware of what is real or not - or those less discerning) taking the whole thing as "gospel" and that is the danger.... validating IMO the criticisms and the need for clear disclaimers. (even with disclaimers - some people cannot tell which is fake ("drama") and which is real in terms of specific events shown.)
Most of the events (well all of the historical events) did happen, that isn’t fictionalised. Nothing is made up. What is fictionalised are the ways in which the factual events transpired. Eg Charles visited Diana a number of times on good terms before she died, they had tea and were friendly on good terms in the last year, the show depicts this by showing him visit her once, and then having a falling out again, using creative licence to depict ‘why they couldn’t be together’ despite the fact as they said they cared for each other. It’s creatively fictionalised account of actual fact, not too much distortion but creative licence in regard to how they presented factual events.
I think when it came to some historical events and trying to depict a one sided view creatively is dangerous for sure, they do seem pretty careful not to however. But impartiality doesn’t mean certain stupid ppl won’t still get the wrong idea. I think they safeguard to a large extent by not sensationalising or being too impartial
I agree with many of the comments - personally, I found this series hugely disappointing, largely because of what I feel was miscasting of most of the main roles. Supporting roles were better cast, particularly Natasha as Penny Romsey, Camilla and the Al Fayed's. The two exceptions in the main casting, both in looks and performances were the brilliant Elizabeth Debicki and Jonny Lee Miller, who were excellent. ALL (apart from Emma Corrin who I just didn't like) the cast members of the previous 4 Season's made me feel I was actually there, almost as a fly on the wall, inclusive and silent, enjoying their performances, but this time there was none of that magic. Johnathan Pryce was not the right man for Prince Phillip and although Tobias Menzies was a very hard act to follow, because he was sublime, it could have been done with better casting. Surely Helen Mirren, Miranda Richardson, Emma Thompson or Julie Andrews would have been better choices for The Queen. Unfortunately Imelda Staunton did just not do it for me at all, either in looks or character. Although these are not her fault, her hair was a dreadful attempt at the "Clubs" hairstyle and not the right shade. The clothes were reminiscent of a cleaning lady in most scenes and were neither Queenly, nor countrywoman. Imelda did not manage to portray that very distinct and undefinable quality of total divine authority that the real Queen had and the previous two Queen's got right. I didn't see much difference between Noah Solloway and Prince Charles in Dominic West's performance and since he CAN do that clipped accent why didn't he? Neither did he attempt to bring the essence of PC to the character in any of his mannerisms. Debicki got Diana's voice down to a T, yet none of the other main characters spoke well enough. Leslie Manville would probably have been better playing the older Princess Royal and I felt her older quietened down version rather dull after the incredible performances of Vanessa Kirby and Helena Bonham Carter who both got the flamboyant character of Princess Margaret perfectly. I was also rather bored and disappointed with the story itself this time, with far too much focus through the whole season of the Wales's. There were two other divorces and three other children in the Royal family and you'd hardly know they existed in this series. HM The Queen Mother was a dreadful casting mistake. It was also quite odd, considering Her Majesty used to try and ride as often as she could, that we never saw her riding. We could have had far more about her countryside life. What on earth were those three random couples in divorce therapy about, other than to show that the Wales's had to go through the same bog standard court process. I actually fast forwarded these bits. For me, it wasn't just the miscasting, although with the right actors, it may have been better, but there was something else just missing from it all and after such a long wait, I feel rather like a deflated balloon after an anticipated party ended too soon. I shall not be in quite such a hurry to bother with Series 6 if it ever materializes.
I totally agree. Miscasting is the major issue here. The Queen was bland. Diana lacked empathy and charm. Margret was void of the charisma from the previous seasons. The story arcs covered this season should have been riveting but it all felt under performed and flat.
I completely agree with you. It felt like game of thrones take down took an epic series and removed all its magic. Diane was busy with all her charity work. From this series looks like she was Just sitting around her apartment moping and going for a
Swim 😅 fergie is a fantastic personality and barely a mention. She got more screen time on friends 😂😂
@@laurah1291 Oh I loved your comment about Fergie on Friends and agree with you. This last series was so much of a let down and I really don't understand why or how it could have happened.
Imelda Staunton did such an incredible job in The Crown. I was shocked by Judi Dench's criticism - especially when she was well aware it was a drama not a documentary. Many of the actors were friends of hers. I wonder how she would react if the tables were turned. Must say, I lost a lot of respect for her.
I think they have done a phenomenal job
it was a brilliant season...cant wait for the final part to be released
It's a good season this one, Elizabeth Debicki is good at portraying our very much loved Princess Diana and the the Queen infact everyone plays their parts to a tea. Everyone knows (The olders one) knows its just friction with some truths throw in. My husband and l finished it in one week-end we enjoyed it very much CONGRATULATIONS everyone
S5 was fantastic. The acting was A+! Loved it! ❤
Season 7 should be about the Brothers at War - the sad tale of William and Harry……….fab!
Elizabeth was Diana incarnate but all and all the entire cast from start to finish was pretty amazing with the exception of JFK and Carole Middleton. Sadly they are two very important characters but I wasn’t feeling it. That said, everyone involved with the production should be very proud.
I must say this is the best season along with season 1 & 2.
Will never be as good as Season I, and 2 was better than anticipated
This season was good wdym
It’s not the final season; they are already filming The Crown season 6. Get your facts correct!
Can’t wait what season 6
Kind of wild that I hugely disagree with Jonathan Pryce’s comments about the show, and hugely agree with Lesley Manville’s 😂
I thought it was superbly done. 🇨🇦
I think you must remember that The Queen is mainly aimed at a US audience and is a soap first and last. Yes there are historical mistakes and some miss casting, altho Di was spot on, and key event omissions but in general a professional production. It is what it is - entertainment.
I take it you mean The Crown, not the movie The Queen.
@@Historian212 Sorry, yes I meant the Crown
But truth is hidden in the entertainment value and intelligent Brits understand that as well.
Leslie is having a moment.
People are annoying season 5 was amazing as always
Queen👏🏽Consort👏🏽
I think that the series portrays the events that really happened in a much more respectful and beautiful way than it actually was. I assume that reality was much more dirty than shown in The Crown. So why criticize on showing things that actually happened in a non-sensationalist way.
The criticism the show has received has only served in lowering my opinion of King Charles, Camilla and Judi Dench, for while the show has been streaming for 6 years, the attack from Buckingham Palace began immediately after Queen Elizabeth’s death, which only proves the popular belief that Charles is too thin-skinned and reactionary for the role of King.
Season 5 poggers
I have now seen 8 episodes and I think the series makes Charles look like a modern and progressive leader. Unfortunately, it makes the Queen seem totally outdated and living in the past.
how wrong it was then. But Peter Morgan likes to insult the late Queen.
Dominic West is so hooot!!
Jonathan Pryce is too nice to play Philip.
Pryce paid Prince Philip as if he was a total prig but thru these yrs I remember hilarious moments and smiles when they were together and I dont believe Philip was that good of an actor. Pryce is not a good fit for Philip
Yeah he’s not nice though
People that actually think that Netflix knows what happened between Queen Elizabeth and Prince Philip while they're in bed sleeping together are idiots. Of course it's fiction.
Now that series is done, Netflix needs to play the film “Unlawful Killing”.
there’s another season after this
or, should have worn your seatbelt.
Imelda, Leslie, Johnathan ,WoW.
Debecki was amazing with Diana’s voice. Very difficult for Aussies to get that very clipped upperclass accent. The queen mother was terribly miscast. Surely they could find an actress with a big round face. Looked absolutely nothing like her and nor was the voice. The production is top class. But have to point out one little inaccuracy. Prince Philip eating at the table and holding his knife like a pencil. It is just not done. Someone should have noted it.
I’ve only seen trailers before I cancelled my Netflix account and I thought Imelda Staunton, who plays the Queen, didn’t reflect her at all. Whenever I saw the Queen she was always smiling, ready to engage with people and had a kind disposition. She certainly didn’t look like the severe person that Imelda portrayed.
I am sure that the Crown was very well produced. But I disagree with the cast members. When people, who don't follow the lives of the Royal family, are uneducated about the Monarchy and government system, watch the Crown as a drama, there is an assumption that much of what is acted out is factual. Otherwise, it would be called "Fiction". They would not know the difference. How can they know what is true and what is embellished?
They’re towing the line but they’re wrong.
I totally agree
Charles and Diana as well as Philip casted perfectly 👌🏻
I don't like cast of season 5 don't feel it at all especially Queen and Charles .
Yes but don't forget it's set in the 90s so there alot older
Problem with the Crown is they add things that did not happen for drama while being very accurate with other events and costumes. People who watch the Crown believe it all happened. The Crown has refused to put warning that it is dramatization note at beginning of each episode. The actual events were dramatic enough, so reason to add things that did not happen.
I realize new casting is very difficult, always comparison but this cast just didn’t seem to “fit”…disappointing in the likeness of the characters
Whether against or for the monarchy, but the show does create an interest in them especially if there are people who had no interest before. Especially when these days and as days go on people tend to not have as much interest as they do. The show keeps them relevant to a certain degree
Brilliant
Are you sure that Princess Diana didn't reincarnate to Elizabeth Debicki? 😁😁 she portrayed the role outstanding. 🥰🥰😍😍
I thought Season 5 was excellent!
The only obvious miscast to me was the Queen Mother…..too tall and too slim in comparison to the real historical figure;
Other than that, I think it was excellent!
Actors and acting were superb!
Waiting for Season 6! 😀👍
The crown can be frustrating in moments. Epitaph moments like diana's wedding not included. Her admission of adultery on TV not included. Her death. Not included. Andrew and Sarah scandal : hardly a word. And i really don't believe Charles was that eager to get to the throne. He had Lilibet doing all the heavy lifting for him while he could go on with his causes and gardening. I do remember him when asked about being King saying he is aware his Mother would have to die, and that was not something anyone is eager for.
Her wedding was in season 4 and there will be a season 6. Try being patient and rewatching the past seasons.
@@ittibittinurse they only showed her in her wedding gown. I have seen the past seasons.
Her adultery was shown but it's actually also shown as to why she did have the affairs. Frankly in the entire context of things Diana's affairs weren't even the problem or a standard for her character like many idiots online attempt it to be.
And they actually did depict andrew/Sarah scandal too. Also in the 90s/80s especially he was rumored to be frustrated with his mom's style and it was often highlighted that he wasn't exactly enthusiastic about waiting that long. Some of you forget that the RF's PR team did over time for 17+ years to portray Charles In a whole new light covering up his slip ups and rumors from the 70s-2000s. Also you can be upset about waiting for that long and still be sad about the idea of loosing yoir mom. If I remember correctly the original idea for the rf was that the queen abdicate because she was too old not die a theme that was also very relevant in 2019/2020.
Like you literally proved his point..ppl who have an issue never watched the seasons
@@kanamenoname210 stop. Just stop. Who potrays sarah this season then?..they mentioned it in passing with an audience between the Queen and Andrew. ..it was a major scandal within the monarchy. It deserved a more dramatic storyline between the parties involved. I spoke about her admission to the adultery. A shocking moment during that panaroma interview. Not the depiction in season 4 . you misunderstand my comment then say i havent watched . sit down. Write your own comment somewhere and disagree with yourself.
Di's death wasn't covered as this season finished in 1996. Her death was 1997 so we need to wait until next year.
Las mejores princesas Diana las tiene the crown
I hope they continue this show beyond the death of the queen.
I feel very cheated that they didn't feature James Hewitt. They should have got rid of some of the fake stuff and squeezed that bit in. Still, well done to all, especially the 'Diana,' who is superb.
I thought he was one of the guys smuggled into Kensington Palace. Maybe he didn’t have a big role because Netflix’s own royal insider didn’t want the show reminding everyone of those rumours of who his father really is… 🤣
@@graphiquejack The young man strongly resembles Charles and Phillip, and in any case was born before Hewitt became a thing, so the rumours are way off.
Cynthia's Elite 4 look different from what I remember
Olivia Williams and Jonathan Pryce nail the public perception of Camilla and Prince Philip. As well as the young actress playing Princess Diana. I just never saw Diana as someone disrespecting the monarch at any point in her life but, I’m American who never paid that much attention to the British tabloids.
I am currently in the midst of watching season 5, and as much of it is a docudrama, the most striking aspect for me as an American and Royal watcher has been the lies and deceitfulness of the RF in nearly all matters in real life and for centuries.. That being said, while details are arguable the monarchy is fascinating from a historical perspective, but i find painfully little to admire or respect. Bottom line there is little difference between American politicians and the British RF with the exception of time in "office" and inherited position vs elected, both deceitful, corrupt, sorely lacking dignity, character, honesty and integrity, the British are just more fun to watch!
Just thinking out loud. Tim Dalton would be good as Earl Mountbatten. I don’t know why they cast Charles Dance as Dickie? He would have made a perfect ageing Philip. I don’t complain about Jon Pryce, who was good too, hoever looks wise.
Many viewers are complaining because of the bad casting and filming etc.
e.g. After watching series 5 I discovered that Diana was very tall, but (in 'photos/vidoes etc.) was never shown to tower over everyone else - apart from in this series.
That's a plus point for historical accuracy, but as very little actual evidence has been revealed so far about the the events in the '90s - the series clinged to the known events - as portrayed in the Diana, Panorama interview/Andrew Morton book etc. etc.
In short, it was an understandable disappointment in the absence of so little, actual historical evidence.
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Keep Diana and Charles' equation apart, the way the makers berated the relationship between the Queen and Charles was below the belt. Praying for monarch's abdication is a high order treason. They tried their utmost to portray Charles as malicious as possible. More than Diana I was empathetic to the Queen because of the show's Charles' behavior. It kind of depicted that Charles was rejoicing the Queen's downfall.
I was around during that time. He did seem overly eager to see his mother pass the baton. Of course he didn’t want his mother to fail, but he did want to rule when he was in his prime.
It wouldn't surprise me if that was true. Those people are cutthroat and backstabbing. Some family.
While I don't love The Crown, I would never say that the show seeks to make anyone out to be an outright villain or actively tries to portray anyone unfairly. On the contrary, it's very sympathetic to all the family members, who have grown up within or married into an extremely unusual institution that is unforgiving to the human experience. The public understandably likes villainizing Charles and Camilla, sanctifying Diana, and ignoring all the good and bad that would challenge their beliefs, but at the end of the day the three of them... all made their choices and carried out choices made for them in order to fulfill certain duties and obligations for which they had few other options, if any at all. That's the way it's always been, and all their overdone love triangle story did was highlight why the members of the royal family are not a one size fits all when it comes to the rules and regulations at a time of ever increasing media scrutiny that gave the public insight for the first time in a personal way about the dysfunction within the family the closer you get to the monarch.
I also don't think this show claims to be anything but a dramatization of the facts which we know occurred. It is not a documentary; it never claimed to be one. And if anyone is taking a tv show as the absolute resource for this period of British history, that's not the fault of the show. Nor is it the show's fault if this negatively impacts King Charles' approval ratings. My experience is that people who love and worship Diana will never approve of this man. For better or for worse, that's his cross to bear, and it was always going to be renewed when he came to power regardless of the timing of the show.
Just finished watching. Beautiful performance of a queen, who desperately tries to hold her family together and fails with Charles and Diana and Andrew. And who sets her only hope and private joy in her grandchildren. And I think, this is correct. And Harry broke her heart..
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I thought this season would be the most interesting season, but I just binged watched every episode, and I was bored!!!
There was no thrill or any wow revelations like previous seasons. Did they tone it down after Philip and Elizabeth died? Just boring ...
Hope it gets good again next season. This is the only season that is not good so far.
Oh,you said it right! I ve seen all ten episodes. Boring ,not interesting at all.I am so dissapointed!
Watch the movie “Unlawful Killing” - you won’t be bored at all.
Yes thank you another person who found it boring. Sort of reflected the fact that outside of Megxit, Epstein, the deaths of the 2 senior royals, the monarchy is boring. If that was their aim then they've done it.
It is based on facts, Charles and Camila's relationship
Diana's relationship with Hasnat Khan and Dodi
Margaret love affair with PT
Anne 's divorce and marriage to second husband
Fire in Windsor etc etc etc
I think this season will cause undue pain to many members of the Royal family. Prince Phillip wanted to sue over his portrayl a few seasons back, but I think it would have found it exhausting so he backed out . . but he was angry!
How awful for him to get to that age and have people casting you in such a bad light
Looking forward for more fictional(documentary🙄)seasons!!! Of “crown “
It’s not a documentary! It’s a fictional drama based on a real family for the publics amusement.
@@dee8714 thank you fictional may be an eyewash but I’ll correct it myself 🙂
They arrested a person who threw an egg? That’s an overly scrupulous way to go about it.
They arrested and incarcerated the man who threw his shoes at GW Bush, seems standard.
I would imagine that if you do nothing, it encourages people to try again, maybe with something more dangerous.
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I think they should revist that idea of royals walk about shaking well wishers hands one day it will get ugly. Need to change that episode should serve as a warning not everybody who comes has good intentions
It isn't factual, it's interpretative. The problem is, people believe Netflix. The should come out with a statement that reflects this.
Elizabeth Debicki would be perfect as Wonder Woman, she might even be better than Gal Gadot
The Actress playing the Queen seems to be a tad bit off
For me the first two episodes were disappointing and stale. Staunton and Pryce don’t seem to have chemistry. But Debicki stands out.
The Crown is a really good series and Jonathan Pryce is a great actor. But the things he says here don't make sense:
02:58 "I think that the public are well aware that it's a drama, it's not a documentary". Just have a look on the comments on clips of The Crown on youtube and you will see that Mr. Pryce is greatly mistaken on this point.
Then in 03:30 Mr. Pryce says "all we are presenting in The Crown is what happened". That's the definition of a documentary. 30 seconds ago, Mr. Pryce said "it's a drama, not a documentary".
Debicki resembles Diana.
This season is good, but it certainly didn’t live up to expectations. Also, hard as I try, with Imelda Staunton, I can’t not see Delores Umbridge. There is an undercurrent in her performance as Elizabeth II that is so cold, it doesn’t seem like the Queen at all.
The Crown is not a documentary and if you need to be told this, you shouldn’t be allowed to watch such shows.
The worst actor to play Charles. And the actress playing the Queen did not even come close to doing her justice. They got Diana very right. Incredible work from the actress playing Diana, that is the hardest one to take on. Many actresses tried and failed badly.
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Lol, you're completely wrong. Dominic West is AMAZING and SPECTACULAR as Prince Charles!
Thank you! Dominic West is the wrong fit, loses a lot with wrong casting.
@@metroG93 Why don't you like him? He's basically perfect!
I think he does well enough. Look wise, sure he's nothing like Charles but he nailed the voice
The( iconic 🌬🧨 )Panorama🌐 interview 📹🌋✅
Her son said she was crazy but frankly everything she said/wrote or recorded came out to be true. Tells you a lot about that system where the sons are more loyal to their future as king than their own mothers
@@kanamenoname210 of the two Harry seems to be more loyal to Diana's memory than William. William seems to be more entrenched in the Windsor side of the family which isn't unexpected to me.
Can’t bring myself to watch it. Imelda Staunton is not the right choice to play the Queen, who was warm, humorous and engaging. She is going to make her seem so stern.!