Hey. Today, November 11..2024, driving my 2020 ram 1500 rebel 5.7 hemi from NY to New Hampshire, [280mile] keep cruise 68 mph and impressive 21.5mpg....you pushed to 72-72mph... you get 18 mpg. In citi 12... towing 8-10 [ 9k lb]...
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About in line with what I would expect on that trim. I was hoping for more due to the design. My truck is almost the identical setup with the Hemi and I average about 16-17. People too often under estimate the hit of off-road tires and gears. Mine would hit 22-23 sometimes before upgrades impacted fuel economy. The lift maters a bit more on a 1500 due to the IFS angles of the CV shaft. Great content!
@ Correct, lifting a straight axle affects one longer driveline, however IDF has two shorter axles with at least double the loss. That’s if you don’t lower the front differential or transfer case.
I have a 3.6 in my 22 Warlock I get 17 in town with 3.21 gears but heavier Yokohama Geolander AT tires. For the size of the truck it’s hard to complain other than lack of torque.
So, mpg is shit, reliability (for the moment at least) is shit, the noise is shit , the value is shit (overpriced). Stelantis is really trying to go bankrupt. cuz even in Europe they are not doing great (HUGE problems with their 1.2 Purtec gas engines and 1.5 BlueHDi diesel)
I call BS. The ZF 8HP is THE transmission to beat. Ask any transmission shop. You'll struggle to find a better RWD-biased transmission on the market for this segment.
My 2025 Rebel is at 1800 miles and I completely agree with your test. As for my opinion of my Rebel, it has a lot of power but the turbos are lazy and the ECU software is garbage. I have had to take it to the dealer already for updates and will probably need to do it more times. Fix the factory tune stellantis!
I agreed, the tune just seemed odd. The ecoboost engines just seem to be seemless with their turbos where this engine just seemed unsure if it wanted boost or not.
I think its hard to underestimate the impact of this being a Rebel. It's got every change youd make if you wanted to reduce fuel economy. The tires, a slight lift , the gearing and a less aerodynamic fascia. I look forward to the test with a more standard 1500.
My 2016 Ram 1500 crew cab 5.7 with a 2 in level and 35” KO2’s gets 17 on the highway and 14-15 in town. This is a really disappointing result for the new ram in my opinion. I’m on the hunt for a new truck and love rams but I’m not paying 50-60k for a truck that’s no more efficient than the one I have now.
@@SteegeFish With the 3.92 gearing, I would expect this kind of MPG! hAD HE TESTED THE same truck with the 33.21 gearing, the MPG would have been much different!!
@@wayneowen5864 my truck has the same 3.92 gearing. This engine should still be more efficient than my 225k mile hemi. It’s not and that’s disappointing. It’s not at the top of my list for my next truck for that reason.
It's a Rebel. I had one for three years. Everything about it has nothing to do with fuel economy. I bought the Rebel for its off road chops, not fuel economy. On a long trip on the interstate, I would average 18.5 to 19.7 and I thinks that GREAT for what it is! My 2023 Limited Longhorn, 3.21 gears and a HEMI, gets 22.5 to 24.2 on the highway all day long! it's a completely different configuration than the Rebel and makes a BIG difference with gas mileage.
My Big Horn 23 hemi averages 12.5l per 100km and best I've seen highway was 10.8l per 100km. Now my Big Horn has the 3.23 rear gear and all the Rebels and or even the old outdoorsman Trim just sucks fuel unfortunately but they due have the 3.92 rear gear
regular 5.7 1500 with 4.92 gears ('22) gets about 20 - 22 mpg on the highway... 16 - 17 in the city. etorque system trucks be basically the same since its barely gonna trigger in most situations with a/c or heat on.
@psd.3144 tell that to my 21 poor man's Rebel (CC Lonestar Hemi e-torque w/33" Michelin AT2 tires) a 3.92 4x4 33 gal tank. I avg 13.5 and maybe 18 mpg on the freeway driving like a grandma.
When I drove my ex girlfriend's 05' Ram 5.7 Hemi with 220k miles, 3.92 gears 4wd I could get 22 mpg at just under 70 mph but that's working the throttle just right. Normally a safe bet was 17-20.
@@Whiskeybende Cars/trucks from the 2000s get the same or gooder mpg than newer vehicles. It's a conspiracy theory that new vehicles get better gas mileage, I don't see it. And or 1 or 2 more mpg isn't that great 2 decades later with more parts to fail.
I wish GM would gives a 4.0 V8 duramax in the 2500 frame. Like a silverado 2000HD or something. I'd love the heavier duty build quality and longevity of a 2500, but I really don't want the fuel economy of a 6.6 liter gas or diesel engine. Honestly I'd even take the 3.0 in a 2500 chassis to get it, but at least with a 4.0 V8 there would be a middle ground for those who need a bit more than a 1500, but not necessarily a 6.6.
Great review as always. Since you are in CA would love to see an MPG review of any truck (RHO?) at 100 (160), no towing. Yes I am on the Old Continent. Keep the good work.
Hurricane 6 has a lot of power, which means more fuel. The 3.92 gears don't help. I would expect a non lifted truck to get 2 mpg more, maybe 3. It's not great, but it has a ton of power (13.5 1/4 mile is insane).
I traded in my 2014 Toyota Tundra for a new 2024 Tundra in hopes of better fuel economy. I am surprised it is barely any better. It does have more power but I do not need the power, I want the fuel economy to be better. It is also making a funny noise from the engine compartment and I hope it does not need a engine replacement like the 2023 models.
I work for a paint company and I drive a 2024 Tundra we got in Feb of 24. It averages 19mpg. It does have some idle hours and 22k miles but the engine just went out. I guess the 2024 engines ae bad also. I am requesting a f-150 from my boss as that was the other truck choice from the company.
maybe you got shitty gas down there lol idk the math is pretty black and white. but ultimately it doesn matter what route you run as long as you run the same route to see which engines do better.
Thanks for the great review. I actually have a new fully loaded. Rebel ordered. Should be here in a week or two. I test drove one a couple months ago and I was thoroughly impressed with a fuel mileage. I drove highway city combined. It was doing 9.1 L per hundred. That would be around 25 US miles per gallon my current hemi is good but that’s easily 2 to 3 miles per gallon difference. I personally think the truck is amazing even though I’m a V8 guy. Wonder if there’s some type of break-in on that truck before it gets good fuel mileage very strange
The Rebel I had several years ago was a rough rider for sure. Test drive took place on the smoothest road in Illinois. Later realized it came with 10 ply tires!
@@privateer9181 I did not know that the 5.9 Magnum made more power at a lower RPM than the current generation 5.7 Hemi. How much power did the Magnum make and at what rpm? How much power does the 5.7 make at the same RPM? And what does any of that have to do with my comment? lol
@ what im saying anyone who thinks the 5.7 makes more,power because it has a lower top end prolly also thinks the 360 makes more power at the end of the day all im saying is that the 3.0 isnt just more powerful than the hemi..its VASTLY more power..because it makes torque way way lower…..everyone who buys anhurricane will have a 3/36 warantyengine thats vastly more powerful than a hemi with a 3/36 warranty. I guess the question is …can they get to 200k
What rpm does it end up at with the giant tires combined with short axle, when doing the 70 mph? Do those things pretty much cancel each other, or is the rpm surprisingly high?
Great review Alex! Can you do a review comparing an old 1990s model to a new 2024 model to compare the differences and improvements/advancements in technology over the years?!
My '25 3.0L Big Horn 4x4 managed to get 23.8 mpg over 70 miles of southwestern Missouri freeway driving that consists of large rolling hills. Granted it takes 89 octane and consistant conservative acceleration to get that.
A redo test on a more common ‘highway’/conventional truck would also show the difference between a platform designed for efficiency, vs one marketed to the ‘offroad’ crowd. I’d place money on the lower ride height, one with a lower valance air dam and low resistance rolling highway tire will add at least 1mpg to those numbers, possibly even 2mpg. It would showcase what you’re giving up (fuel economy) when you choose those packages.
I had a 2018 Rebel 5.7l with the air suspension and I was getting 21 on the highway at 65 mph on the highway. It was from one side of town to the other in El Paso TX on I-10. Calculated at the pump not on the onboard computer
My new 2025 Rebel is doing 15 MPG so I took it in to have them check the computer and sensors. I got the report back and they found nothing wrong with the truck. I noticed on their report that they didn't actually test the sensors that compute the MPG. I plan on doing a similar test to see what the actual MPG is this weekend. The math was very off when I filled up last with the truck showing 100 miles left on the tank and when I filled it up, it still had 10 gallons in the tank. My guess is that they are using mass air flow sensors that aren't very reliable. I have watched several video's like this one and the trucks got up to 23 MPG on the highway.
My 2020 Ram 1500 crew cab with 22” Night edition rims got 19 mpg on the highway at best. Now I have the factory 18” Warlock rims with 34.5” Mickey Thompson Baja Boss AT tires, 2.5 lift and I’m getting 16 mpg highway.
I had a 2020 Ram Limited 4x4 without eTorque. I think it had 3:23 gears, I can’t quite remember but I know it wasn’t the 3:90 something or another option. On a highway cruise at 70mph it would get 22-24 mpg. I liked the truck a lot but had traded a 2018 tuned Raptor for it, so I grew tired of how weak the Hemi felt in comparison. 22 months with the Ram and I was back in a Raptor. A 2019 this time and had the MPT 93 PRX tune loaded by the third day. The Raptor has 4:10 gearing and at 65mph stays around 19.5-20.5 mpg. Normal driving with stop and go drops it down to 14-15mpg, depending on my mood.
In a comparison test you want to be as close to "all things being equal" as possible. Testing a Rebel put this vehicle at a significant disadvantage vs the competition.
I had to look up what the first iteration of the 3.5L Eco's MPG was and it appears to have been around 15mpg. I wonder what the Hurricane's will be after more data comes in?
As a comparison, you should try this economy loop with an F150 Tremor 3.5l ecoboost. Similar tire and differential setup. I wonder how much loss in economy over the previous test F150. Luv the videos.
What was the gear ratio of that Rebel most likely 3.92 which affect fuel economy as well as the offroad oriented tires. Plus that truck is still relatively new give it some time for proper break-in and fuel economy will most likely improve....Most of my Dodge/Ram trucks I have owned over the years start out with low fuel economy numbers but eventually they break-in, another thing is the longer you drive them the better the efficiency becomes if driven sanely which the majority of the press fleets trucks are abused from the onslaught which doesn't help them one bit.
there was about 8,000km/5000 miles on the truck. which I would comfortably say is broken in. and yes I agree the 3.92 gears and the aggressive tires don't help. but I still would of hoped for a better result.
Just wanted to say, i love your channel and content. Correct me if I'm wrong, did i see you pumping regular fuel in the video? I've heard that the standard output engine performs better with premium. Worth a retest?
1 inch lift, bigger tires, 3.92 gears, no chin spoiler, no air suspension (that option doesn't do well in our col and salty environment) all make a big difference over the other trim levels in the 1500 line up. Ram doesn't give different fuel figures for the 1500s other than the TRX. Other companies are a bit more honest. With my 2024 1500 Rebel I wish I got mileage like that 2025 Rebel. I am lucky to see 15 L per 100km, 12 is a pipe dream. Let me know if you want an apples to apples comparison, my rebel only has 8000km so it's still new. Send me the distances and speed of your route and I'll send you what I get for a similar run around the Halifax area. I know that the other trims of the 1500 get significantly better fuel economy. A better comparison for the Rebel might be with a Tremor. Just saying. Great review, thanks.
I have a 2020 NBS Ram 1500 with a 3" lift and 35's. The 5.7 etorque and 3.92 gears. It struggles to hit 16 mpg on the highway at those speeds. Around town I'm usually looking at 12. I definitely would prefer to have a 6.4 powerwagon at this point for the front locker. You can't even add a front locker to a 1500 Ram. I'm getting terrible MPG anyway, might as well have a Powerwagon.
So the 5.7 doesn't have the option to save fuel at lower city speeds? 2:26 Weird, because my Rebel is always in eco mode in town (which is effectively smaller displacement), except when pulling away from a stop. The sweet spot for highway MPG is right around 108-110kph in my 23' Rebel, averaging a calculated 22-23mpg on a 400km round trip. My combined MPG is around 16.1, but it is a truck, and I didn't buy it for fuel economy. With the larger fuel tank, best to top it up when it's at half a tank, doesn't seem as painful to the wallet that way, haha....
Had a Ram 1500 extended cab 4X4 with the 3.6L. It had the tow package with a higher gear ration and on the highway up to 70 mph I could pull in excess of 24 mpg throughout hills no problem. Sure, it wasn't the Hemi nor did it have that kind of horsepower, but I also ran all-terrain tires and drove it like I just robbed a bank. Neither my previous F150 or GMC Sierra came close to the performance or fuel mileage and those were both lighter 2WD trucks.
my 2019 Ram Classic 18.7mpg in the city 24mpg 55mph and 22 70mph 3.21 gear. towing 11mg and when towing my side by side 2000lbs 16mpg is exactly what my Maverick tremor does.
My 2021 5.7 3.92 gears gets 16 around town and 19 hwy. I'd like to see the towing numbers on the 6 banger. I get 14 towing a 22' boat. Pricing is getting out of hand as well. The same truck new today is 93K MSRP WTF Stellantis.
Ford had powertrain engineers who figured out, what, 20 years ago? Turbocharged engines with lower displacement exist solely to be "cycle beaters," meaning they can be driven with dampened throttle inputs for fuel economy testing and turn out good numbers on paper.
I really enjoy the 2.7 turbomax in my silverado. The more I compare it to everything but fords 2.7, the more impressive it becomes. The GM 5.3/6.2 are also very impressive, although they have the lifter problems, so I would avoid them.
I miss you including km and L/100 km. I also didn't get why there isn't a hemi to compare economy against in your chart seeing as you own one. Would also be curious to see the V6 pentastar results
The in-line 6 is an awesome starting point. In the hurricane they just did not execute part of it very well apparently . The GM 3.0 LZ0 would dominate this loop.
We bought a 2025 Laramie with the standard output 3.0 Hurricane. It is 4wd with 3.92 gears. We replaced the tires with BFG Trail Terrain the same size as the original tires. Not as aggressive as the Goodyear that you tested. Just took a trip through the Texas Hill Country. It was combined city and highway. We were traveling 70-75 on the highway. When I filled up I hand calculated the mileage at 19.7. I believe it will be better when the engine breaks in.
Greetings Alex. Great decision now is you correct choice on configuration. May be now the great decision and correct choice could be a diésel engine. 😮 Only if you wish is improvement the MPG. Anyway, I declare myself a fan of the Hurricane engine. In an increasingly competitive world, I hope it doesn't ruin the RAM company. 😮 GRACIAS Y TE MANDO UN ABRAZOTE DESDE CDMX; MÉXICO! 😮 😂🤠
Ya the rebel are def to blame because in my 21 5.7 rebel only pulled 17.4 on highway and my buddy 3.21 2022 big horn he pulls 19 and even seen 20 at 70 on the highway I’m lucky to get 18 and the best day 😅 now I have 285-70 35s and I only lost 1 mpg 😅😅
I did 500 mile road trip with my Laramie 3.0 3.92 gears and got 24 MPG. In comparison I did the same trip several times with my 2019 Hemi with 3.21 gears and got 22 mpg. So about 2 MPG better with the bigger gears.
I've had my 2025 Rebel now for about 2 months. It's got 1,500 miles on it and the best I've gotten mileage wise is 17mpg. That's driving mainly highway, not going over 70mph and filling the tank with 93 octane. When I fill my tank, I easily get over 400 miles to empty. What kind of fuel are you using that you only get 285 miles to empty. Can that be because your vehicle didnt have a 33 gallon tank?
This tells me that Ford really did hit a home run with their EcoBoost. I had a 2019 F150 and now a 2024 F150. I have nothing but praise for the 3.5 liter. Good MPGs most of the time. I say "most of the time" cuz when you hook on a trailer of any weight....you'll burn some fuel....but they pull effortlessly.
Over the years running a construction business (and probably 20 or so different trucks) Ive found its always better to take the hit on fuel economy then to buy into the gimmicks. The difference is typically marginal in real world applications and the new tech always has problems quicker (Ive had numerous 5.3 V8s that were some of the best trucks I ever ran and as soon as AFM was introduced the durability of that engine took a nose dive)
It would be important to note if you are on winter blend. That right there will cost you 2-3 mpg. This isn't a fuel friendly version. It's probably not broken in yet either.
@@GettysGarage on these short tests, conditions can play a huge factor. An example is my last Mustang GT on a trip to Chicago from Reno, was getting 24 mpg the first tank going 75 mph but it was cold and windy (near freezing). The second tank was warmer and less windy and got 27 and it usually got 28+ mpg. Shorter tests can vary wildly good or bad
Likely best to talk in freedom units and most Canadians can read Merican. V8 imo will always be the best option for a truck and v6 for a midsize suv or car, 4 cylinders turbo for the racers.
Be sure to test a etorque hemi. As far as the hurricane goes I have mixed feelings. I want ram to do well but I don't think this engine is very good. At least the high output has a lot of power.
The best I've seen in my 2025 Rebel is 18.3MPG; calculated by hand on highway drive. The RAM's software is optimistic. The closest I've seen is .2 to my hand calculation. Most of us are reporting a light throttle engine surging problem which is very noticeable. So my .02 is that a more refined tune is needed in general to address that issue and others. The 3.92 gears and 33" tires and lift there's no way this thing will get 24 MPG. My inlaws have a 2WD 2015 5.0L Coyote and I think at best its gets 22 MPG.
Most powerful?? So it's 20hp more than an 3.5EB and 40lbft shy of the 3.5EB, and it's missing 2 gears(o underwrite and one overdrive). My 3.5EB beat Alex's test empty and pulling a 40ft 12k 13' tall fifthwheel(way more wind resistance) at 105km/h over 500km in Norther Ontario. 3.55axle 33.2" tall rubber and 20" rims. I can get 9.5l/100km(24.57mpg) at 110km/h and when towing I'm only using 22-27l/100km(8.7-10.6mpg) at 105 max, locked into 8th(0.85:1). The issue with the lack of oomph and poor economy is the fact that the motor is operating BELOW the BMEP of 3600rpm(3.5EB BMEP is 2600-3500rpm). That motor can make good torque there, but it's too low for the efficiency to play out if he cut 2 gears it would be much better. A diesel(13-15l) BMEP is 1100-1400rpm and that's why then pull welland get better mileage than the older trucks did down low(older trucks needed more 1400-1700rpm)
@BloodAlwaysFindsItsLevel so a slow speed test at extreme altitude(low airflow and high load) determines what in Alex's testing or my real world multiple year multiple truck experience? The toaster test is absolutely brutal and no comparison to either of the uses in the conversation.
The Rebel will be quite a bit worse MPG. Manufacturers don't have to give different ratings for different packages and rear gearing. So the gearing hurts, the tires hurt, the lift hurts. The EPA rating is for a crew, and 4x4, but it will be the normal, basic trim that gets the 24 mpg. That's just the rules the epa puts out.
I have a 2014 Pentastar and I've never been below 20mpg. Moved to Ram after my Silverado with the 5.3 V8 with the AFM blew up with only 75K miles on it. My Ram has just as much power as my old Silverado and has a more comfortable cabin with better features.
Lol. I got 13-15 mpg max on my Bighorn with 3.21 gearing on 33' Geolandars G015's. Sold it because I felt something was wrong with the transmission. I'd be happy with anything near 18 mpg
Hey. Today, November 11..2024, driving my 2020 ram 1500 rebel 5.7 hemi from NY to New Hampshire, [280mile] keep cruise 68 mph and impressive 21.5mpg....you pushed to 72-72mph... you get 18 mpg. In citi 12... towing 8-10 [ 9k lb]...
Another awesome review :) my favorite truck channel
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About in line with what I would expect on that trim. I was hoping for more due to the design. My truck is almost the identical setup with the Hemi and I average about 16-17. People too often under estimate the hit of off-road tires and gears. Mine would hit 22-23 sometimes before upgrades impacted fuel economy. The lift maters a bit more on a 1500 due to the IFS angles of the CV shaft. Great content!
Can you clarify and expound on the last sentence? About the lift mattering more, is that meaning its more of a hit on MPG??
@ Correct, lifting a straight axle affects one longer driveline, however IDF has two shorter axles with at least double the loss. That’s if you don’t lower the front differential or transfer case.
My 3.6L gets 24mpg on the hwy, and 19 city. Towing I get 16mpg. 2019 Bighorn Crew cab with 20” wheels, and LT tires.
It's tough to beat the older technology sometimes, those trucks are pretty good!
I have a 3.6 in my 22 Warlock I get 17 in town with 3.21 gears but heavier Yokohama Geolander AT tires. For the size of the truck it’s hard to complain other than lack of torque.
@@PresidentMcAwesomesauceThe 3.6 has good output, but you’ve got to spin it.
@@user-tb7rn1il3q 100%. You have to get it up in the revs. It’s not a bad motor but more torque would help for sure.
@@user-tb7rn1il3qya like the old 4.7l v8
Excellent summary at the end comparing it to your HD truck with the 6.4. That Hurricane needs some improvement.
So, mpg is shit, reliability (for the moment at least) is shit, the noise is shit , the value is shit (overpriced). Stelantis is really trying to go bankrupt. cuz even in Europe they are not doing great (HUGE problems with their 1.2 Purtec gas engines and 1.5 BlueHDi diesel)
The transmission is miles ahead. ZF is 10x better than the Ford 10 speed. It’s not even close. 😂
What about the ZF8 transmission is miles behind?
I call BS. The ZF 8HP is THE transmission to beat. Ask any transmission shop. You'll struggle to find a better RWD-biased transmission on the market for this segment.
@@philbrutsche8928 Yes, my bad. I forgot it was the 8 speed and was thinking about the 9 speed which has a lot of issues.
The engine's name is the best though
My 2025 Rebel is at 1800 miles and I completely agree with your test. As for my opinion of my Rebel, it has a lot of power but the turbos are lazy and the ECU software is garbage. I have had to take it to the dealer already for updates and will probably need to do it more times. Fix the factory tune stellantis!
I agreed, the tune just seemed odd. The ecoboost engines just seem to be seemless with their turbos where this engine just seemed unsure if it wanted boost or not.
Okay, I'm now a subscriber. Your reviews are very fair and informitive.
I think its hard to underestimate the impact of this being a Rebel. It's got every change youd make if you wanted to reduce fuel economy. The tires, a slight lift , the gearing and a less aerodynamic fascia. I look forward to the test with a more standard 1500.
I get 15 to 16 in my F350 with a 7.3 V8. With 35s.
My 2016 Ram 1500 crew cab 5.7 with a 2 in level and 35” KO2’s gets 17 on the highway and 14-15 in town. This is a really disappointing result for the new ram in my opinion. I’m on the hunt for a new truck and love rams but I’m not paying 50-60k for a truck that’s no more efficient than the one I have now.
@@SteegeFish With the 3.92 gearing, I would expect this kind of MPG! hAD HE TESTED THE same truck with the 33.21 gearing, the MPG would have been much different!!
@@wayneowen5864 my truck has the same 3.92 gearing. This engine should still be more efficient than my 225k mile hemi. It’s not and that’s disappointing. It’s not at the top of my list for my next truck for that reason.
It's a Rebel. I had one for three years. Everything about it has nothing to do with fuel economy. I bought the Rebel for its off road chops, not fuel economy. On a long trip on the interstate, I would average 18.5 to 19.7 and I thinks that GREAT for what it is! My 2023 Limited Longhorn, 3.21 gears and a HEMI, gets 22.5 to 24.2 on the highway all day long! it's a completely different configuration than the Rebel and makes a BIG difference with gas mileage.
Yeah the rebel is a great truck, it's just not made for fuel economy.
Exactly. It’s on LT e range Duratracs 😂
My Big Horn 23 hemi averages 12.5l per 100km and best I've seen highway was 10.8l per 100km. Now my Big Horn has the 3.23 rear gear and all the Rebels and or even the old outdoorsman Trim just sucks fuel unfortunately but they due have the 3.92 rear gear
A rebel is barely more capable offroad. It's not that big of a difference. 3.0 is just thirsty
@@cstgx Its lifted with heavy LT E-range Duratracs. It will get noticeably worse MPG
I can't wait to see the hemi out do this engine 😂 I'd love to see you get a rebel 5.7 for the direct comparison.
regular 5.7 1500 with 4.92 gears ('22) gets about 20 - 22 mpg on the highway... 16 - 17 in the city. etorque system trucks be basically the same since its barely gonna trigger in most situations with a/c or heat on.
@psd.3144 tell that to my 21 poor man's Rebel (CC Lonestar Hemi e-torque w/33" Michelin AT2 tires) a 3.92 4x4 33 gal tank. I avg 13.5 and maybe 18 mpg on the freeway driving like a grandma.
When I drove my ex girlfriend's 05' Ram 5.7 Hemi with 220k miles, 3.92 gears 4wd I could get 22 mpg at just under 70 mph but that's working the throttle just right. Normally a safe bet was 17-20.
@@Whiskeybende Cars/trucks from the 2000s get the same or gooder mpg than newer vehicles. It's a conspiracy theory that new vehicles get better gas mileage, I don't see it. And or 1 or 2 more mpg isn't that great 2 decades later with more parts to fail.
@@shady497I was going to say. Other channels with the Hemi Rebel get about 18 mpg on the highway babying it.
i want a 3L duramax now :)
I highly recommend one
That engine is like activating a cheat code. ;)
I wish GM would gives a 4.0 V8 duramax in the 2500 frame. Like a silverado 2000HD or something. I'd love the heavier duty build quality and longevity of a 2500, but I really don't want the fuel economy of a 6.6 liter gas or diesel engine. Honestly I'd even take the 3.0 in a 2500 chassis to get it, but at least with a 4.0 V8 there would be a middle ground for those who need a bit more than a 1500, but not necessarily a 6.6.
Ram's biggest mistake was getting rid of the 3.0L diesel with nothing to replace it. Go GM!
@@larrygray1557It was the best thing ever by getting rid of the 3.0 grenade..
Thank you Alex for your amazing reviews!!
Great review as always. Since you are in CA would love to see an MPG review of any truck (RHO?) at 100 (160), no towing. Yes I am on the Old Continent. Keep the good work.
Nice review and test as usual. My 2021 Ram 2500 Cummins stock. Highway between northern Maryland and Delaware averages 23 to 24 mpg. I’ll keep it.
Hurricane 6 has a lot of power, which means more fuel. The 3.92 gears don't help. I would expect a non lifted truck to get 2 mpg more, maybe 3. It's not great, but it has a ton of power (13.5 1/4 mile is insane).
Agreed, TONS of power is right. and fuel economy is just something not to be expected which that much power I guess lol
Always enjoy your videos. After watching your videos, I pulled the trigger on a new 2024 level 1 Power Wagon. She's thirsty, buy oh so cool!
Well, I'm very glad I chose my 5.3l Silverado after watching this.
Good luck with your transmission
@@timfisher5179 It's been excellent.
I traded in my 2014 Toyota Tundra for a new 2024 Tundra in hopes of better fuel economy. I am surprised it is barely any better. It does have more power but I do not need the power, I want the fuel economy to be better. It is also making a funny noise from the engine compartment and I hope it does not need a engine replacement like the 2023 models.
I work for a paint company and I drive a 2024 Tundra we got in Feb of 24. It averages 19mpg. It does have some idle hours and 22k miles but the engine just went out. I guess the 2024 engines ae bad also. I am requesting a f-150 from my boss as that was the other truck choice from the company.
Very surprising, i was expecting this to beat the competition
Great video, keep up the good work
Great job man on your reviews.
maybe you got shitty gas down there lol idk the math is pretty black and white. but ultimately it doesn matter what route you run as long as you run the same route to see which engines do better.
Thanks for the great review.
I actually have a new fully loaded. Rebel ordered. Should be here in a week or two. I test drove one a couple months ago and I was thoroughly impressed with a fuel mileage. I drove highway city combined. It was doing 9.1 L per hundred.
That would be around 25 US miles per gallon
my current hemi is good but that’s easily 2 to 3 miles per gallon difference.
I personally think the truck is amazing even though I’m a V8 guy.
Wonder if there’s some type of break-in on that truck before it gets good fuel mileage very strange
My 21 5.7l hemi got 21mp. And yes it was hand calculated. Trip from Iowa to Colorado
Really looking forward to seeing this mpg test with a hurricane in standard 1500.
Would love to see the 3.0 duramax on this and the towing test
very much agreed, trying to beg GM to give me one.
It would be great to see how it fairs compared to the turbomax, the power figures are similar but I bet the smoothness would be unmatched
The Rebel I had several years ago was a rough rider for sure. Test drive took place on the smoothest road in Illinois. Later realized it came with 10 ply tires!
Could you do a review/towing test on a Ford Powerboost? (3.5/hybrid)
The hp rating can be deceiving. At what rpm does it get 420hp? I’ll be keeping my hemi …
5200rpm vs the 5.7's 395 @ 5600. Torque curve is really the more important measure though.
@@ALMX5DPu understand the ole mopar magnum 360 made power at lower rpm than the 5.7….
@@privateer9181 I did not know that the 5.9 Magnum made more power at a lower RPM than the current generation 5.7 Hemi. How much power did the Magnum make and at what rpm? How much power does the 5.7 make at the same RPM? And what does any of that have to do with my comment? lol
@ what im saying anyone who thinks the 5.7 makes more,power because it has a lower top end prolly also thinks the 360 makes more power at the end of the day all im saying is that the 3.0 isnt just more powerful than the hemi..its VASTLY more power..because it makes torque way way lower…..everyone who buys anhurricane will have a 3/36 warantyengine thats vastly more powerful than a hemi with a 3/36 warranty. I guess the question is …can they get to 200k
What rpm does it end up at with the giant tires combined with short axle, when doing the 70 mph? Do those things pretty much cancel each other, or is the rpm surprisingly high?
Nice seeing you listen to some Bad Omens during your test 🤘🏻🤘🏻rock on man
Great review Alex! Can you do a review comparing an old 1990s model to a new 2024 model to compare the differences and improvements/advancements in technology over the years?!
My '25 3.0L Big Horn 4x4 managed to get 23.8 mpg over 70 miles of southwestern Missouri freeway driving that consists of large rolling hills. Granted it takes 89 octane and consistant conservative acceleration to get that.
A rebel with the hemi comparison is what I would like to know haha!
A redo test on a more common ‘highway’/conventional truck would also show the difference between a platform designed for efficiency, vs one marketed to the ‘offroad’ crowd. I’d place money on the lower ride height, one with a lower valance air dam and low resistance rolling highway tire will add at least 1mpg to those numbers, possibly even 2mpg. It would showcase what you’re giving up (fuel economy) when you choose those packages.
Big Horn crew 4x4 with 3.55 will get the advertised 24mpg all day long on the highway.
Maybe.. I hope so
I had a 2018 Rebel 5.7l with the air suspension and I was getting 21 on the highway at 65 mph on the highway. It was from one side of town to the other in El Paso TX on I-10. Calculated at the pump not on the onboard computer
My 25 Ram SST gets 24 on the hwy, but only 12 in the city. Don't know where they got that 17 in the city figure. So far I really like this truck.😊
My new 2025 Rebel is doing 15 MPG so I took it in to have them check the computer and sensors. I got the report back and they found nothing wrong with the truck. I noticed on their report that they didn't actually test the sensors that compute the MPG. I plan on doing a similar test to see what the actual MPG is this weekend. The math was very off when I filled up last with the truck showing 100 miles left on the tank and when I filled it up, it still had 10 gallons in the tank. My guess is that they are using mass air flow sensors that aren't very reliable. I have watched several video's like this one and the trucks got up to 23 MPG on the highway.
My 22 5.7 ram with 275/70/18 wildpeaks gets 19 mpg combined. Looking forward to the next review
My 2020 Ram 1500 crew cab with 22” Night edition rims got 19 mpg on the highway at best. Now I have the factory 18” Warlock rims with 34.5” Mickey Thompson Baja Boss AT tires, 2.5 lift and I’m getting 16 mpg highway.
I had a 2020 Ram Limited 4x4 without eTorque. I think it had 3:23 gears, I can’t quite remember but I know it wasn’t the 3:90 something or another option.
On a highway cruise at 70mph it would get 22-24 mpg.
I liked the truck a lot but had traded a 2018 tuned Raptor for it, so I grew tired of how weak the Hemi felt in comparison.
22 months with the Ram and I was back in a Raptor. A 2019 this time and had the MPT 93 PRX tune loaded by the third day.
The Raptor has 4:10 gearing and at 65mph stays around 19.5-20.5 mpg.
Normal driving with stop and go drops it down to 14-15mpg, depending on my mood.
In a comparison test you want to be as close to "all things being equal" as possible. Testing a Rebel put this vehicle at a significant disadvantage vs the competition.
I had to look up what the first iteration of the 3.5L Eco's MPG was and it appears to have been around 15mpg. I wonder what the Hurricane's will be after more data comes in?
As a comparison, you should try this economy loop with an F150 Tremor 3.5l ecoboost. Similar tire and differential setup. I wonder how much loss in economy over the previous test F150. Luv the videos.
Are all the trucks in the test set up with 4wd? Same tires, condition and pressure? All have the same lift? All that makes a difference.
Can you set the engine to a specific mode? E.g. eco, sport, balanced etc?
What was the gear ratio of that Rebel most likely 3.92 which affect fuel economy as well as the offroad oriented tires. Plus that truck is still relatively new give it some time for proper break-in and fuel economy will most likely improve....Most of my Dodge/Ram trucks I have owned over the years start out with low fuel economy numbers but eventually they break-in, another thing is the longer you drive them the better the efficiency becomes if driven sanely which the majority of the press fleets trucks are abused from the onslaught which doesn't help them one bit.
there was about 8,000km/5000 miles on the truck. which I would comfortably say is broken in. and yes I agree the 3.92 gears and the aggressive tires don't help. but I still would of hoped for a better result.
Just wanted to say, i love your channel and content. Correct me if I'm wrong, did i see you pumping regular fuel in the video? I've heard that the standard output engine performs better with premium. Worth a retest?
1 inch lift, bigger tires, 3.92 gears, no chin spoiler, no air suspension (that option doesn't do well in our col and salty environment) all make a big difference over the other trim levels in the 1500 line up. Ram doesn't give different fuel figures for the 1500s other than the TRX. Other companies are a bit more honest. With my 2024 1500 Rebel I wish I got mileage like that 2025 Rebel. I am lucky to see 15 L per 100km, 12 is a pipe dream. Let me know if you want an apples to apples comparison, my rebel only has 8000km so it's still new. Send me the distances and speed of your route and I'll send you what I get for a similar run around the Halifax area.
I know that the other trims of the 1500 get significantly better fuel economy. A better comparison for the Rebel might be with a Tremor. Just saying.
Great review, thanks.
Assuming they have winter fuel blends in Canada. That also drops fuel mileage.
I have a 2020 NBS Ram 1500 with a 3" lift and 35's. The 5.7 etorque and 3.92 gears. It struggles to hit 16 mpg on the highway at those speeds. Around town I'm usually looking at 12. I definitely would prefer to have a 6.4 powerwagon at this point for the front locker. You can't even add a front locker to a 1500 Ram. I'm getting terrible MPG anyway, might as well have a Powerwagon.
@alex thx for review. Patiently waiting for the 5.7 mileage test. 😂
A 5.7 Rebel, not broken in and on winter blend fuel, would be lucky to average 17 mpg on this test.
So the 5.7 doesn't have the option to save fuel at lower city speeds? 2:26 Weird, because my Rebel is always in eco mode in town (which is effectively smaller displacement), except when pulling away from a stop. The sweet spot for highway MPG is right around 108-110kph in my 23' Rebel, averaging a calculated 22-23mpg on a 400km round trip. My combined MPG is around 16.1, but it is a truck, and I didn't buy it for fuel economy. With the larger fuel tank, best to top it up when it's at half a tank, doesn't seem as painful to the wallet that way, haha....
Had a Ram 1500 extended cab 4X4 with the 3.6L. It had the tow package with a higher gear ration and on the highway up to 70 mph I could pull in excess of 24 mpg throughout hills no problem. Sure, it wasn't the Hemi nor did it have that kind of horsepower, but I also ran all-terrain tires and drove it like I just robbed a bank. Neither my previous F150 or GMC Sierra came close to the performance or fuel mileage and those were both lighter 2WD trucks.
MAybe if you had tested the truck with the 3.21:1 gear ration, it would have done much better! What was the gear ratio's of the other trucks??
You should do this test with the non power wagon 6.4 Ram 2500. I bet it would put up the same or similar numbers as that rebel.
My 19' 5th gen ram with 5.7 4x4 and 3:23 gears (i think) gets 22 mpg hwy at 5-10 mph over the speed limit
What is the fuel economy on ford's 2.7 and 3.5l Eco with fx4 style of road trims or tremor ?
Helo, could you please tell us how many fuel pumps does the RAM have and how much do they cost to replace? FCC in Arizona
Wonder what the 5.7 Heim would do?
my 2019 Ram Classic 18.7mpg in the city 24mpg 55mph and 22 70mph 3.21 gear. towing 11mg and when towing my side by side 2000lbs 16mpg is exactly what my Maverick tremor does.
Ive been getting around 19.4 highway mpg with my 2013 ram with the 5.7 hemi (calculated at the pump). And around 16.5-17mpg most other places
My 2021 5.7 3.92 gears gets 16 around town and 19 hwy. I'd like to see the towing numbers on the 6 banger. I get 14 towing a 22' boat. Pricing is getting out of hand as well. The same truck new today is 93K MSRP WTF Stellantis.
Ford had powertrain engineers who figured out, what, 20 years ago? Turbocharged engines with lower displacement exist solely to be "cycle beaters," meaning they can be driven with dampened throttle inputs for fuel economy testing and turn out good numbers on paper.
My 5.7 Hemi gets 21 mpg. I would be interested in seeing how the Ram 2500 with the 6.4 Hemi does.
I really enjoy the 2.7 turbomax in my silverado. The more I compare it to everything but fords 2.7, the more impressive it becomes. The GM 5.3/6.2 are also very impressive, although they have the lifter problems, so I would avoid them.
I miss you including km and L/100 km. I also didn't get why there isn't a hemi to compare economy against in your chart seeing as you own one. Would also be curious to see the V6 pentastar results
When you test the 5.7 you’ll find it better. I get 18 with my 6.4 2500 as well
You never tested the lzo diesel in that sierra.
The in-line 6 is an awesome starting point. In the hurricane they just did not execute part of it very well apparently . The GM 3.0 LZ0 would dominate this loop.
We bought a 2025 Laramie with the standard output 3.0 Hurricane. It is 4wd with 3.92 gears. We replaced the tires with BFG Trail Terrain the same size as the original tires. Not as aggressive as the Goodyear that you tested. Just took a trip through the Texas Hill Country. It was combined city and highway. We were traveling 70-75 on the highway. When I filled up I hand calculated the mileage at 19.7. I believe it will be better when the engine breaks in.
Keep telling yourself that. ODO on this one shows "5365 mi". 1:53 mark
@@TheKingOfInappropriateCommentsThat's barely broken in because I'm betting that's kilometers. I see break in by 6,000 Miles.
@@302Mustang13 It says "MI" not "KM".
@@TheKingOfInappropriateComments He's in Canada, so km is a reasonable assumption. I never bother measuring mpgs until I get past 6,000 miles.
@@302Mustang13 1:53. You can fact check me. I'm making it easy for you.
Try this test again in different trim level. Rebels are known to get significantly less MPG than other trim level Rams.
Ram better go back to the drawing boards on the engine. Either that, bring back the 5.7 Hemi. BTW Alex, Good job!
Greetings Alex.
Great decision now is you correct choice on configuration.
May be now the great decision and correct choice could be a diésel engine. 😮
Only if you wish is improvement the MPG.
Anyway, I declare myself a fan of the Hurricane engine. In an increasingly competitive world, I hope it doesn't ruin the RAM company.
😮 GRACIAS Y TE MANDO UN ABRAZOTE DESDE CDMX; MÉXICO! 😮
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The 3L looks to be a solid options, hopefully overtime it will prove that to be true
Ya the rebel are def to blame because in my 21 5.7 rebel only pulled 17.4 on highway and my buddy 3.21 2022 big horn he pulls 19 and even seen 20 at 70 on the highway I’m lucky to get 18 and the best day 😅 now I have 285-70 35s and I only lost 1 mpg 😅😅
I don't doubt the mpg your may be getting on this truck but I do heavily doubt the mpg on some of the other trucks in your list.
I did 500 mile road trip with my Laramie 3.0 3.92 gears and got 24 MPG. In comparison I did the same trip several times with my 2019 Hemi with 3.21 gears and got 22 mpg. So about 2 MPG better with the bigger gears.
Damn your power wagon getting better MPG than my old '17 rebel😂
I've had my 2025 Rebel now for about 2 months. It's got 1,500 miles on it and the best I've gotten mileage wise is 17mpg. That's driving mainly highway, not going over 70mph and filling the tank with 93 octane. When I fill my tank, I easily get over 400 miles to empty. What kind of fuel are you using that you only get 285 miles to empty. Can that be because your vehicle didnt have a 33 gallon tank?
I was towing with it before and getting like 7 MPG lol, thats why the truck thought I only had 285 miles.
This tells me that Ford really did hit a home run with their EcoBoost. I had a 2019 F150 and now a 2024 F150. I have nothing but praise for the 3.5 liter. Good MPGs most of the time. I say "most of the time" cuz when you hook on a trailer of any weight....you'll burn some fuel....but they pull effortlessly.
Would love to see an update video on your Power Wagon!
Would like to compare it to a At4x or Tremor. See if their mileage suffers as bad as the Ram with higher gears, small lift, larger tires
Over the years running a construction business (and probably 20 or so different trucks) Ive found its always better to take the hit on fuel economy then to buy into the gimmicks. The difference is typically marginal in real world applications and the new tech always has problems quicker (Ive had numerous 5.3 V8s that were some of the best trucks I ever ran and as soon as AFM was introduced the durability of that engine took a nose dive)
It would be important to note if you are on winter blend. That right there will cost you 2-3 mpg. This isn't a fuel friendly version. It's probably not broken in yet either.
Agreed, but I still was hoping for a better result. the 2.7L and 3.5L ecoboost were tested in January last year.
@@GettysGarage on these short tests, conditions can play a huge factor. An example is my last Mustang GT on a trip to Chicago from Reno, was getting 24 mpg the first tank going 75 mph but it was cold and windy (near freezing). The second tank was warmer and less windy and got 27 and it usually got 28+ mpg. Shorter tests can vary wildly good or bad
Likely best to talk in freedom units and most Canadians can read Merican. V8 imo will always be the best option for a truck and v6 for a midsize suv or car, 4 cylinders turbo for the racers.
Be sure to test a etorque hemi. As far as the hurricane goes I have mixed feelings. I want ram to do well but I don't think this engine is very good. At least the high output has a lot of power.
I have a 2019 Big Horn, 4wd, and commute 54 miles a day for work in Seattle. I average about 17 mpg in 4wd auto. On road trips I get about 18.5 mpg.
Can't argue with that
Ram is trying to catch Ford, but are unable to. Ecoboost is superior. Great videos.
I’m sure Henry ford’s balls are silky smooth with amount of gargling you’re doing.
The best I've seen in my 2025 Rebel is 18.3MPG; calculated by hand on highway drive. The RAM's software is optimistic. The closest I've seen is .2 to my hand calculation. Most of us are reporting a light throttle engine surging problem which is very noticeable. So my .02 is that a more refined tune is needed in general to address that issue and others. The 3.92 gears and 33" tires and lift there's no way this thing will get 24 MPG. My inlaws have a 2WD 2015 5.0L Coyote and I think at best its gets 22 MPG.
The Heaviest and most powerful truck with mud tires shockingly got slightly worse milage. I can't believe it!
I know right!
Slightly worse?
Most powerful?? So it's 20hp more than an 3.5EB and 40lbft shy of the 3.5EB, and it's missing 2 gears(o underwrite and one overdrive). My 3.5EB beat Alex's test empty and pulling a 40ft 12k 13' tall fifthwheel(way more wind resistance) at 105km/h over 500km in Norther Ontario. 3.55axle 33.2" tall rubber and 20" rims. I can get 9.5l/100km(24.57mpg) at 110km/h and when towing I'm only using 22-27l/100km(8.7-10.6mpg) at 105 max, locked into 8th(0.85:1). The issue with the lack of oomph and poor economy is the fact that the motor is operating BELOW the BMEP of 3600rpm(3.5EB BMEP is 2600-3500rpm). That motor can make good torque there, but it's too low for the efficiency to play out if he cut 2 gears it would be much better. A diesel(13-15l) BMEP is 1100-1400rpm and that's why then pull welland get better mileage than the older trucks did down low(older trucks needed more 1400-1700rpm)
@@jnk26sorry the tremor almost blew up on the TFL toaster. Cope more
@BloodAlwaysFindsItsLevel so a slow speed test at extreme altitude(low airflow and high load) determines what in Alex's testing or my real world multiple year multiple truck experience? The toaster test is absolutely brutal and no comparison to either of the uses in the conversation.
The Rebel will be quite a bit worse MPG. Manufacturers don't have to give different ratings for different packages and rear gearing. So the gearing hurts, the tires hurt, the lift hurts. The EPA rating is for a crew, and 4x4, but it will be the normal, basic trim that gets the 24 mpg. That's just the rules the epa puts out.
in my '13 ram 1500 hemi, 3:55 rear 6apd short bed driving from ft lauderdale to md i averaged 24mpg.
I-95 was very flat most of the way 😉
I have a 2014 Pentastar and I've never been below 20mpg. Moved to Ram after my Silverado with the 5.3 V8 with the AFM blew up with only 75K miles on it. My Ram has just as much power as my old Silverado and has a more comfortable cabin with better features.
Lol. I got 13-15 mpg max on my Bighorn with 3.21 gearing on 33' Geolandars G015's. Sold it because I felt something was wrong with the transmission. I'd be happy with anything near 18 mpg
you should do it with the 3.55 gears
I would be happy with that... Lol I have the same truck and 15.1 is the best I have had yet. Get 14 mpg on the highway
How many miles has the truck done? , that makes a big difference to mpg if the engine has done less than 5000miles
I think it was like 5,300 miles. something like that so should be decently broke in.
Please confirm MPG. We are in Canada and buy fuel in litres and measure distance in kilometres. So, are you talking U.S. Gallons or Imperial?
US gallons good sir!