*1 Year with Panasonic S5 II / S5 II X* - Successful Comeback - ua-cam.com/video/XY0ghnZegZc/v-deo.html *Some thoughts* regarding no EVF / mechanical shutter / grip / headphone jack etc. complaints: Panasonic S9 is all about offering a full frame sensor in the smallest possible camera body, even if it means that some compromises had to be made (obviously). If you are not interested in that concept and you really want those features, I have great news: Panasonic already offers all of that in the S5 II and they are more than happy to sell you one. The S9 is NOT an S5 II replacement. Including all of those features in the S9 would basically yield something very similar to the S5 II, which would be rather pointless in my opinion. The S9 is a camera for different type of use / users. If you are not interested in that kind of use, there is an S5 II / S5 II X Review linked above for you.
for quite a long time, Sony's A7C didn't really have any direct competition, nice to see that is starting to change. The S9 isn't really the 'compact S5II' that I would have liked to see, but it's a start.
It doesn't really feel like a direct A7C competitor to me. The S9 is a lot more "extreme" when it comes to the space saving. That has both advantages and disadvantage, but I am actually quite happy that it is not just a Panasonic's version of the A7C.
Ah, at least normal review of the tech thingy, what it really is. No nonsense biases towards one or other side. It is just a camera, if it fits your needs, you buy it, if not, don’t. I guess people at Panasonic didn’t try to insult anyone personally by releasing their camera, people take it so personally 😂
So far, your video is the most honest review I've seen of the S9. Other creators are complaining about the S9 not having features, even though you're not likely going to find these features on other brands for the same price point. For the price and the features of the S9, I am definitely interested in it. Thank you for sharing your experience.
Thank you! Yeah, some people don't seem to understand that not every camera is designed for their specific needs. It is indeed a very interesting concept.
@@CianMcsweeneyif you don’t need flash or shoot fast motion, it seems perfectly fine. I shoot my S5ii in electronic shutter mostly and almost never have issues.
@@CianMcsweeney Which is the exact opposite of what the S9 is supposed to. The S9 is NOT an S5 II replacement, you can still get one for moving subjects, flash photograph etc.
I really like the camera. Finally someone had the guts to make an affordable compact FF camera with no EVF and not too many weird compromises. I hope the other manufacturers will get inspired too :) This one will be great for street or travel and also for occasional video.
@@martingreenberg870 Not for that kind of content providers. If they do, they will most likely use something like DJI Mic 2, which has headphone output.
@@TheNewTravelm43rds still seems to have the edge on lens size. With m43rds you can carry more lenses at a much lighter weight. Also every focal length is doubled so you get even more out of smaller telephotos. I guess that’s why so many nature and wildlife photographers are interested in the G9ii
A very fair review, putting the pros and cons of the design very well. I think the specs of the S9 are better than it's launch marketing which pitched it as a camera for the selfie generation. But there is more to it for more 'experienced' users...
I feel Panasonic is quite underrated, I'm just a casual shooter but before I got sucked into the whole Fuji film simulation thing I loved the capability and menus my point and shoot lumix had compared to the competition
Me too, I'm also a casual shooter with fujifilm who came across the S9 reviews. I watched a very comprehensive review on the its big brother Lumix S5ii and was very impressed with the tech specs of the camera! Lumix is definitely underrated, and certain specifications are probably better than the Sony A7 series!
@@djrosenbe even an external viewfinder like the Sigma FP/FPL's EVF would have been a great compromise. but sadly the S9 has a cold shoe and the ports are on the right side of the camera.
The S9 looks like a real winner. Reminds me of my Panasonic GM1 & GX850. One thing that's missing is using the S9 with flash. Too bad. Good review. And nice that you got invited to Japan. Thanks, toronto canada.
I really want to buy a S9 just for the stabilisation. It's a shame there is no slow motion in open gate tho, as I would have used that feature. Still its going to be easier to use this camera in vertical orientation because its lighter and smaller. Great review - thanks
Great insights. In some things I have a difference of opinion. - I think even a crappy evf would be vital to have under the bright sun when the LCD is hard to see, it's probably my biggest gripe with this camera. At lest it should have a hot shoe and an optional evf addon. - The other major problem is the lack of compact lenses. A camera is only as compact as the lenses and there are almost none in the L-System. - The lack of grip is puzzling as it doesn't affect the camera size at all when shape or form when a lens is attached. Now everybody uses a base-plate which actually does make the camera bigger in height. - Finally the lack of shutter is a really big issue for a hybrid, but it doesn't sting as bad with the enhanced IBIS as a trade-off. But it's a very promising entry, and hopefully Panasonic will keep at it, as the compact full-frame is probably the next big market shift.
LCD is actually fine even in direct sunlight, as long as you use maximal brightness and tilt it properly. Fortunately, Sigma I series lenses are compact enough.
@@TheHybridShooter Thanks for responding. Good to know about your positive experience with the LCD. About the lenses, I understand about the primes but I think it's really missing a zoom option for flexibility, and a good pancake option for portability. The fixed/manual f8 can't really called a proper pancake, it's more of a pinhole lens. The good news is the zoom is on its way, albeit more on the wide range, wider than a nifty-fifty, so it won't really cover any telephoto needs.
The GM1 intrigued me, and when I got the chance to get the GM5 with miniature zooms for a good price, it ultimately shifted me from primarily Fuji X-Pro over to being primarily Lumix (m4/3 then L-mount). So I'm pleased to see the GM line invoked here. My ultimate camera would be a Lumix which licensed Fuji's Hybrid VF.
The only GM features I see coming across here are lack of grip and not being larger than necessary. The latter is still pretty sweet to see on FF though.
I'm sorry but this is ridiculous. No mechanical shutter, EF-C, or hot shoe makes it horrible for photo in most cases. No headphone jack and *Extremely* short video record limits severely cripple the functionality for video. You have to fit in an incredibly narrow niche of mostly only caring about video but only in very short clips at a time without good audio or caring about photo but only on well lit static scenes, and then you have to accept that the camera has no room to grow whatsoever in the future with you. Just a baffling release, I don't think this camera makes sense for almost anyone.
Your "statistics" are incorrect. Most types of photography actually don't require MS or EFC. Smartphones don't have them and people are doing just fine without it. I have used the S9 with all kinds of artificial lights in Japan and I haven't seen a single case of banding. Most people also don't take clips longer than 15 minutes. There is not reason why the audio wouldn't be good.
You couldn't say it better, it's a ridiculous camera for the price they try to sell it. Just $300 more and you have an S5 MKII that is a true hybrid camera and weather sealing.
Good interesting review. Suggestion: at the very beginning put on each camera a summary table with the most important technical details so that people has a bit of an overview what the camera offers. I didn’t know this camera and I had to search what’s all about, even if you talk about them generally. I for example like to pause and see ac take instead of hearing them over the video. Great job! 👏
Thanks for your excellent video! I agree that a flip-up screen would be a better choice for a compact camera. It seems like Panasonic is planning to make the new LUT app available for the S5ii. I hope that means the next firmware update will also include the S9's intelligent zoom feature.
great video as always ! Ive got my S9 coming in the next two weeks and really looking forward to getting it. Ive ordered it with the 20-60. I have had the S1R and I currently have the S5 with the 24-70 2.8! how dose it handle with the 24-70?
Very nice and balanced review! The camera is not for me but it seems like a step into the right direction in diversifying the cameras offered for the L-mount. Hopefully, it will attract some new customers into the camera market and thereby benefit all of us. Additionally, it is quite interesting to see how compact a FF system can be and I think this will also contribute to more compact lenses. I appreciate having more options available within one system. I guess in the long run camera companies will focus on FF since the drawbacks compared to smaller sensor systems such as overall size, IBIS performance and sensor readout speed will get less pronounced over time. Time will tell...
Thanks fpr the review! Very informativ. Since i am already invested in L-mount, i find this camera very interesting. The only thing missing for me is a thumb command dial.....
Hi, great review as always. I am really interested to exchange my Fuji X-E4 for this. I am only curious how electronic shutter of Panasonic S9 deals with banding. It does have some sort of synchro scan (this feature that syncs to artificial light pulsing). Is it enough to deal with the basic home lightning to avoid banding ?
@@TheHybridShooter I will give it a shot then. Seems like a really fun camera for travel where you can totally bypass PC editing. This LUT implementation and IBIS alone are gamechangers.
Flash and EVF seem to be missing but I could deal with it for a better back LCD and lower price. Will be interesting to see the bundle price with the new 18-40 at Christmas or next year black Friday
Grateful if you would do a video about options for small lenses for this S9, good for both photo and video. Ideally, a small camera should be able to be paired with small lenses, for every day carry, or travel, etc. Thank you.
Too bad comments about this camera , but for me, I do have a flash and never use it. And so far never have filmed a clip more than one minute. But… I really like small lenses of m43!!
I don't see any advantages in this device, except for a nice, but inconvenient design. What's it? A camera? No. A video camera? No. An incomprehensible "fashionable" thing for $1,500
I agree with you on the screen likes to have seen a screen on it a la sony a6400 for instance. Perhaps they can make an r version with the 61 or 47mp sensor which has that screen. I do regret having only a coldshoe. A digital hotshoe would have been great for the people who sont mind adding an evf for instance and Panasonic could have made some more money that way. Do like the lut feature and ibis also like the l mount lenses. Especially from Sigma. I dont know if I'll get one but if there is a good deal on it eg black friday then I moght give it a shot.
Unfortunately, I don't have much experience with using DSLMs as webcams, so I don't include that in my videos. You should be able to find information about that online.
Also in the camp of wanting an mft version (but with the “missing” hardware+software of the s9…so that’s just an updated gx9) but the s9 looks like a great option for its price. Its great to have somewhat affordable full frame options
One of the best reviews of this camera (well balanced), but I think you haven't mentioned the lack of hot shoe. I hope Panasonic will release GM5/GM1 successor with the same (or smaller body). I. would love G9 II in this small form factor. Although I need hot shoe because I love flash photography. So probably mechanical shutter too :D. I also want viewfinder, even mediocre one.
Another GX9/GM5 user here. Do you think that the S9 has enough controls to enjoy it also for photography only? i.e. with a small Sigma 24/3.5 DG DN lens?
No viewfinder, no flash option the hot shoe It only serves as a support it has no synchronization, no dual card, no weather sealing, no grip, how can you justify paying $1300 for a camera body that is so cut down even for photography, since the video part is even funnier. Also, in 5 months this camera will have dropped a lot in price and then you won't sell it to anyone.
As cool as it looks, I'm not the target audience for this thing. Would love a photographer's version, basically the S9 with a viewfinder and a tilt screen. S7?
I appreciate that you acknowledge that you are not the target audience. Other version probably won't happen, different people would like different features added and at that point it would probably just become another S5 II.
@@TheHybridShooter I too am not in the targeted market. I am a street photographer. I primarily shoot stills. I need an EVF. I don’t understand why Panasonic didn’t include an audio jac like they didn’t on the GX85/9. Don’t content creators need audio for their videos? Kudos to Panasonic for jamming a full frame sensor and the large battery into this small body. I was hoping this body would be M43 and a GX8 update. One can hope. Mask On Nurse Marty (Ret)
@@martingreenberg870 Not for that kind of content providers. If they do, they will most likely use something like DJI Mic 2, which has headphone output.
I will talk about that to Panasonic, there is a lot of 1.6x lenses available, so I think that there is a change they will include it. 1.5x works good enough for now.
I can't take the S9 seriously with all the limitations it has, much less at the price they put it on the market when an S5 MKII only costs $300 more. If the S9 cost $550 someone might be tempted by the price.
The S9 is really intended for those who can appreciate having a full frame sensor in the smallest possible package, and are willing to accept associated compromises. There is a lot of such people. They already make the S5 II for those who "can't take it seriously".
#getwellsoonpanasonicLumixS9 Cons: 1. No USB video class (UVC )so, No just plug & play webcam ? ?? 2. No headphones out for video 3. No digital mic via cold shoe 4. Vidio clip recording limit in 4K+ 5. No EVF or side card door
@@TheHybridShooter In my opinion, it is not too much to ask for. This is what we want. We may not get what we want though. Again, we aren’t the market segment this body is designed for. Fair enough. Mask On Nurse Marty (Ret)
All reviews came out the same day and merely the same hour. At the moment of writing this comment it is 10 hours ago. Looks much like a conspiracy. But you are the Pioneer of reviews!
Thank you! That has been the case with every camera from every manufacturer for as long as I have been making reviews, there is always a set time after which you are allowed to post a review. I don't think that it qualifies as a conspiracy :)
@@TheHybridShooter And what happens if you post it several hours before it is allowed? What kind of responsibility a blogger will have? A company will cease cooperation? I understand it to be some specific day to happen but hour level precision seems to be too much. Have never seen that before. :)
@@harry54ck It is usually written in the NDA, I don't really know what is the penalty. Exact release time is a completely normal thing for any product, it is not camera specific. Car reviews for a new models will also all appear at the same time.
@@TheHybridShooter The penalty may be not being invited to junkets in the future to use the camera before the camera is announced. That would be a major blow. As a consumer of the reviews I have no problem with the NDA or the reviewers being flown to japan plus being wined and dined. Mask On Nurse Marty (Ret)
I have the s5ii and i love it but I don’t understand this camera, not having a mechanical shutter is understandable and there aren’t really compact lens in the L mount catalog for full frame.
There is actually quite a lot of compact L-mount lenses available, for example Sigma i series. The S9 is not an S5 II replacement, so If you are happy S5 II users, you don't need to understand this camera, it is made for different kind of users.
If it had at least a mech shutter, and maybe a small EVF, it would have also been a great travel starter full-frame photography camera. This way, it's only a great short-format Tiktoker and Short-er, Reels-er camera... Not good even for long video, as the a7C II and ZV-E1 can do.
@@TheHybridShooter For travel videos, no. But I don't mind being able to also use it as a backup camera or second/third angle, occasionally, for a shoot. So I don't like Panasonic limiting the video record time, and doing it so low. Regarding the mechanical shutter for travel photography, ABSOLUTELY! I mean, absolutely, on a non-stacked, not particularly fast-to-read sensor. And also, having the option of a small flash can be useful both for travel photography, and for amateur use. Other than that, I don't get the lack of a front grip. I mean, if they offer that optional grip (Nikon Zf style) as a "better have it" option, why not having a grip altogether? Sure, it would have looked bad on the flat, retro-wannabe look, with the leatherette, but even so. All in all, you can find S5 II used at the price of the S9 new, or even cheaper. So that's not such a problem. Though, it's nice to see the "cripple hammer" at work. However, the lack of a headphones out it unjustifiable. Even the Sony ZV-E10 has it. What I meant to say it that it could have been a stellar video+photo hybrid for travel, creators, entry-level. With its specs and lack of a few important specs, it can be a video+(meh)photo hybrid. And also, again, it doesnt have a sensor with the readout of Canon's R8. But it's good that it is. And with the bottom of the optional grip, it's about 2 cm or more taller than a Sony ZV-E1/a7C II.
@catalin-ap So you are basically complaining that it is not another S5 II... and that is exactly the problem with this kind of comments. This camera is clearly not trying to match *your* specific requirements, but that absolutely doesn't mean that it is not a good camera for traveling or full frame photography. It is designed for completely different type of use / user. If you want something with EVF, grip, headphone jack, mechanical shutter and so on, I don't understand why are you even watching S9 review, let alone commenting... here is a long term S5 II / S5 II X review for you: ua-cam.com/video/XY0ghnZegZc/v-deo.html that actually is a camera designed to meet your requirements. I have asked about specific reasons why you need mechanical shutter for travel photography (specific situations).
@@TheHybridShooter I personally am a kind of avanced shooter (stills, mostly) that also uses $5k cameras, as well as $500 cameras. Btw, I follow your reviews and find them very informative and very well documented, and really appreciate your work, which contributes, among others, to my gear choices! As a user, I would like to have $5000 features in a $1000 camera, if possible. :) But I understand the compromises and limitations of manufacturing, as well as the manufacturer's segmentation of products, into different lines, for different users. For this particular situation, I only think of the Sony ZV-E10: it's the a6100 in a creator/vlogging-style camera, but without any compromise to the photo side. As simple as that, you don't have an EVF, but as a beginner, that is a real hybrid camera for that bottom-line price point! You can use a flash, and you can shoot sports, if you want, or panning, or anything that moves faster than walking as an amateur, but get no distorted lines. I get the idea of the S9, and I appreciate its innovations regarding fast video transfer to the phone, which can be very useful, as well as going all-in on LUTs, including easy import and very advanced and easy configuration of them! And the good IBIS, full-size battery! Great things! But, as this camera seems to also want to compete a bit with Fujifilm's core idea (LUTs - film simulations), I think this camera misses just by a very small margin the "good photo camera for young people/creators". An electronic first-curtain shutter (as in the Canon R8, Sony a7C II - aimed also at a relatively similar audience, from my point of view) with 1/160 flash sync would have made justice, and probably not added more than $100+ in cost, 50g in weight, but would have made it a true hybrid. As Sony and Canon also have the distinction, even then the segmentation would have been clear - this is a creator's, entry-level, young, travel/vlogging camera, whereas the S5 II (and X) are the pro-level cameras, suitable also for wedding and event video and photo. And to answer your question, when travelling and roaming the city, and going out with friends, I don't always only shoot photos of static things; there can also be moving subjects, cars, or shooting from a moving vehicl sometimes, when a rolling shutter will make things look bad. Ok, for the grip, joystick, dual card slots, and even EVF, I get it. But dropping the mech shutter I think makes sense in just 2 situations: 1. you want the camera to be basically video-only, or almost video only (as a manufacturer, you force that camera to be that way) 2. the camera has a stacked sensor, and it can do without a mech shutter, but can take undistorted photos. Otherwise, the Sigma FP and FP-L (much worse rolling shutter than this, much more quircky and impractical of a camera) was a forgettable camera, especially as a photo camera. And lastly, Panasonic is not at all in Sony's position, where they have 15 cameras total or there about, and can have a FF creators camera, a FF photo entry-level camera, an APS-C creators camera etc. Panasonic only has the S5 II + X as their only current camera in the lineup. The S1, S1R, S1H, tough good, are kind of obsolete, both because of size (but have great ergonomics) and because of age and lack of DPAF. So I think it would have been wiser for them to make the S9 as a a7C II+ZV-E1 competitor, not just as a ZV-E1-only competitor. That was basically what I meant to say, to jist of it. Thanks for reading!
Let's hope that it sells well so that panasonic actually feel comfortable making a proper photography version of this, with evf, mech shutter and tilt+flip screen
Maybe not perfect but much better. The EVF, such as on the A7C, isn’t luxurious but is adequate. Again, for me, the major head scratcher is why there isn’t an audio jac. Don’t content creators need sound for their videos? Maybe not. Mask On Nurse Marty (Ret)
@@martingreenberg870 I wouldn't call 0.59x EVF adequate,.I have never used it on the A7C, despite that it has much worse screen in comparison to the S9.
@@TheHybridShooter If Bluetooth audio is suitable for gaming and TV, why not for monitoring? They have the chip inside. there is wifi and Bluetooth, and we could even connect the microphones directly to them. They are fast enough and there is always some internal synchronisation between audio and video before recording
Not in the real-world use. We have tested that with all kinds artificial lights in Japan and more LEDs at home and I haven't seen a single case of banding. If it was an issue, it would be reported by now. I'm not sure what do you mean by flickering. Every camera uses electronic shutter in video, so flickering can occur with any camera if the setting are not correct.
@TheHybridShooter Oh, that's surprising! I wonder how they're able to manage that when other manufacturers can't. I have four Micro Four Thirds cameras from Panasonic, and they all suffer from heavy banding with electronic shutter in LED lighting. If that's not an issue with this one, then I'll definitely consider getting it.
@@bastian.michel That is why I wrote in the real world. Their example is shot at 1/640 s. The only real-world situation where you would use such hight shutter speed with artificial lights is indoor sports. If you intend to shoot indoors sports, you should not buy the S9, it is not designed for that in any way. All other situations will be fine.
@TheHybridShooter Sorry, but I disagree. For indoor photography involving people, a shutter speed above 1/200th is essential. With LED lighting, shooting below 1/160th almost always results in motion blur with moving subjects. This is a well-known fact among photographers. While it's possible to use 1/60th or 1/100th with an electronic shutter and LED lighting, this has been the case for most cameras. In real-world scenarios, to avoid motion blur, you need a higher shutter speed. If you're not photographing people or animals, lower shutter speeds might work. However, any movement in the frame requires a higher shutter speed. This is why many criticize Panasonic for removing the mechanical shutter. We’ll see what customers report when they have the camera in hand, but until then, I'm skeptical that the electronic shutter is sufficient for photography. I follow you for a long time already, and you are one of my favorite reviewer, but Im really not sure about this electronic shutter. I also hope that Panasonic will produce small lenses with fits to this body.
Fixed recording limits are a bummer. Not everyone shoots in 40°C weather or in direct sunlight. Why can't they just do what other manufacturers do and just let people record until the camera overheats.
@@MrJed_s It is simply a safety thing, at least in the EU. There was a lot of talk about it after DJI Action 2 release, which was limited to 6 minutes in the EU in some modes. I don't know what exactly are the rules.
They do it because they know their product is bad and they don't want to deal with warranty claims. It's funny that they sell a camera for content creators and it turns out that they can't record more than 10 minutes at a time. It must be so you buy two camera bodies from them.
Panasonic has recognized the market that everyone else has missed. The need for a blue, green, red or black FF interchangeable lens mirrorless camera that does not have a viewfinder. Kudos Panasonic, kudos.
I was super excited before the release but after finding out about the specs and features.......I have to say, this is the most disappointing release I've ever seen from panasonic to date.....and this hurts me to say this because I love Panasonic cameras too. This camera may destroy Panasonic because it will flop immediately and they will not recover the millions of dollars they've invested into R&D and productions costs. Sad day for Panasonic camera lovers.
Don’t worry, it is a great package for the target group, which more than sufficiently large. It just isn’t for you. Panasonic will be more than fine, it is a great day for Panasonic fans.
My initial reaction of S9: 1. There are almost NO lenses that are usable on this camera. The new joke lens (that f8 thing) and Contemp. Sigmas (like 45/2.8) and that's it. All others will be HUGE for this toy. 2. Cold shoe? REALLY? So no studio shots, no flashes... Ummm... That's extreme money preserving, Panasonic. 3. LUT thingie? Ummm... From the first view looks like a useless gimmick... 4. No mechanical shutter with small speed sensor? No, thanks. 5. No EVF... Crazyness, really. When you shoot on bright sunlight you have no EVF, when you shooting in darkness you have no flash... What? 6. 12 Bit RAWs only? Ummm... I might be not that confident in what "simple people" like to use, but for me this THING looks like a strange not really usable toy... I hope Panasonic will NOT go this way with the future cameras...
1. is nonsense, I have been using it with all kind of lenses with no issues. As for the rest, as I have said multiple times in the video, Panasonic will be more than happy to sell you an S5 II if you think so...
@@TheHybridShooter Actually, I JUST (literally, 2 days ago) sold my S1R and replaced it with... Yes, Panasonic again - G9 :) Had a large transition period while I had both cameras and decided to go fully MFT finally... The lenses I can get my hands on on this system are simply mesmerizing... Anyway, I don't get why the hell they did this thing L mount and not MFT? MFT has LOTS of nice very light lenses and is MEANT for cameras like this initially. Is that crappy 26mm/8 gonna shoot better then MFT 20/1.7 - NO. Then what's the point?
@@snowcat20 Whatever floats your boat... Full frame is simply a much more desirable format, so it makes perfect sense that Panasonic wants to give people an option to have it in a very compact body, even with some compromises. Regarding the 26mm F8, there are some surprises with that one, it will actually shoot better :)
@@TheHybridShooter Well, let's see... Actually I hope that Panasonic WILL get lots of money from... Whatever guys might be interested in a toy like this. More money - more RnD - more new products. So yes, I wish them luck, but my money will not be spent on this gimmick... I'd better get a Panasonic Leica 50-200/2.8-4...
For those who are interested in having a full frame sensor in the smallest camera body possible. Believe it or not, here is a lot of people interested in that.
Nice review, as always 👍 the main problem seem to be the ergonomics of the cameras.Too many compromises there: no evf, no grip (there is no tiny FF lens to go with the calera besides that rificulous fix focus f8 pancake, unlike the m43 lineup), and most importantly, that awful back dial/pad taken from the G100. Was it so hard to add a thumb dial like on a Gx9 or even a gm5? O really hope Panasonic will come with a Gx9 update, as I think a m43 sensor makes much more sense with small lenses. On this S9, even a 50 1.8 looks huge and unbalanced...
Thank you, although I disagree with all of your criticism. If it had all of the features that people are asking for, it would have ended up being just another S5 II. As I have said in the video, the S5 II already addresses all of your points. I don't see a space for rear dial, 2 command dials are completely fine in this category, I don't see an issue with the D-pad. F1.8 primes have been completely fine on the S9 during my use, 20-60 as well. 18-40 will also be a great match, i series Sigma lenses as well. The 26mm has some pleasant surprises that haven't been revealed yet. I hope that Panasonic will go all-in with small FF instead of splitting resources between FF and M43.
@@TheHybridShooter let's agree to disagree 😀 Don't take me wrong: I have no issue with this camera. But as a dual system user (Sony FF along m43), I am still waiting for a compact Gx9 successor, as I take great pleasure using my m43 system for family and travel. You can't beat a Gx9-sized camera with a 15 f1.7 and a 42.5 1.7 along with the 12-32 pancake and 35-100 tiny tele that fit into the same bag as my A7IV with one lens. Different systems for different uses.
@@JeanV1986 I understand, but Panasonic has valid reasons not to make GX9 successor. It depends on your definition of "can't beat" S9 with i series lenses beats those combinations in many ways. I hope that the S9 is the first step to figuring out how to replace M43 compact lineup with FF and I think that it is a good start.
@@TheHybridShooter in my opinion, they should concentrate on small cameras in the m43 world (instead of G9ii and Gh6...) and on full featured, full sized FF cameras. Also, a body S9 costs 1700€, without a lens. For 1000€, you could get a Gx9 with three lenses kit. Not the same public at all.
@JeanV1986 From the business point of view, keeping two systems doesn't seem to be viable. Making money on sub $1500 cameras is very difficult after the supply chain crisis so I think that Panasonic will try to move everything to FF which is much more desirable format in general.
Not what I expected. It’s a nice trendy everyday camera with certainly excellent image quality. The fact that there are zero (0) lenses matching the camera size at launch is very strange and disappointing
@@TheHybridShooter I wrote the camera « size ». I find that once you pair with one of the excellent 1.8 primes the camera becomes to big and you lose the purpose of buying a small body. I would rather buy a S5II. (by the way : congratulations and thank you for your absolutely great channel 👍)
@@Angelo_Botta I am aware of that, my answer stills stands, a lot of Panasonic lenses are completely fine on the S5 II size-wise. Sigma i series would be even better. Thank you!
Some will, so will I. Beeing super Happy with my S5II I skipped the X100VI altough it has no EVF and weathersealing and will get an S9 after prices dropped. IQ and DR on my S5II are outstanding so the S9 is a small travel no brainer.@@TheHybridShooter
*1 Year with Panasonic S5 II / S5 II X* - Successful Comeback - ua-cam.com/video/XY0ghnZegZc/v-deo.html
*Some thoughts* regarding no EVF / mechanical shutter / grip / headphone jack etc. complaints:
Panasonic S9 is all about offering a full frame sensor in the smallest possible camera body, even if it means that some compromises had to be made (obviously). If you are not interested in that concept and you really want those features, I have great news: Panasonic already offers all of that in the S5 II and they are more than happy to sell you one. The S9 is NOT an S5 II replacement. Including all of those features in the S9 would basically yield something very similar to the S5 II, which would be rather pointless in my opinion. The S9 is a camera for different type of use / users. If you are not interested in that kind of use, there is an S5 II / S5 II X Review linked above for you.
Thank you! Great review and fair take IMO.
for quite a long time, Sony's A7C didn't really have any direct competition, nice to see that is starting to change. The S9 isn't really the 'compact S5II' that I would have liked to see, but it's a start.
It doesn't really feel like a direct A7C competitor to me. The S9 is a lot more "extreme" when it comes to the space saving. That has both advantages and disadvantage, but I am actually quite happy that it is not just a Panasonic's version of the A7C.
Can it recorded unlimited in 1080p@@TheHybridShooter
@@markshirley01 No, there is 20 min. limit
Ah, at least normal review of the tech thingy, what it really is. No nonsense biases towards one or other side. It is just a camera, if it fits your needs, you buy it, if not, don’t. I guess people at Panasonic didn’t try to insult anyone personally by releasing their camera, people take it so personally 😂
I couldn't have said it better myself.
Well said!
So far, your video is the most honest review I've seen of the S9. Other creators are complaining about the S9 not having features, even though you're not likely going to find these features on other brands for the same price point. For the price and the features of the S9, I am definitely interested in it. Thank you for sharing your experience.
Thank you! Yeah, some people don't seem to understand that not every camera is designed for their specific needs. It is indeed a very interesting concept.
@@GrenlandUnderVannExactly, for photography at least it's borderline unusable in many situations, fast moving subjects, flash photography etc.
@@CianMcsweeneyif you don’t need flash or shoot fast motion, it seems perfectly fine. I shoot my S5ii in electronic shutter mostly and almost never have issues.
@@CianMcsweeney Which is the exact opposite of what the S9 is supposed to. The S9 is NOT an S5 II replacement, you can still get one for moving subjects, flash photograph etc.
sigma fp is 1000 $ and better
Awesome review. One of my favorite reviewers on UA-cam. You always seem fair and balanced in your reviews.
Thank you, I appreciate your feedback!
I really like the camera. Finally someone had the guts to make an affordable compact FF camera with no EVF and not too many weird compromises. I hope the other manufacturers will get inspired too :) This one will be great for street or travel and also for occasional video.
@@GrenlandUnderVann Nope, that is exactly how the smallest possible full frame camera is made. It won’t overheat after 10 minutes.
@@GrenlandUnderVann I don’t understand. This body is designed for content providers. Don’t they need audio for their video?
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@@martingreenberg870 Not for that kind of content providers. If they do, they will most likely use something like DJI Mic 2, which has headphone output.
First review I’m watching for this camera! Thanks!
My pleasure, thank you for watching!
The best technical review on the internet :)
Thank you!
Same form factor should be released for M43 with G9ii inside.
Exactly I've been begging Lumix to put internals of a gh5 or g9 into a Gx body cuz I love the GX85 it just needs an upgrade.
I certainly wouldn't mind that, although I think that and honestly hope, that Panasonic will focus on smaller FF lenses instead.
Full frame bodies like this with cheap prices and small forms essentially make M43 obsolete.
@@TheNewTravelm43rds still seems to have the edge on lens size. With m43rds you can carry more lenses at a much lighter weight. Also every focal length is doubled so you get even more out of smaller telephotos. I guess that’s why so many nature and wildlife photographers are interested in the G9ii
@TheNewTravel hum not really. You can pack a bag full of m43 lenses weighing the same as one full frame lens. Different cameras for different uses.
A very fair review, putting the pros and cons of the design very well. I think the specs of the S9 are better than it's launch marketing which pitched it as a camera for the selfie generation. But there is more to it for more 'experienced' users...
I feel Panasonic is quite underrated, I'm just a casual shooter but before I got sucked into the whole Fuji film simulation thing I loved the capability and menus my point and shoot lumix had compared to the competition
Me too, I'm also a casual shooter with fujifilm who came across the S9 reviews. I watched a very comprehensive review on the its big brother Lumix S5ii and was very impressed with the tech specs of the camera! Lumix is definitely underrated, and certain specifications are probably better than the Sony A7 series!
Impressive IBIS in such a small body. It's like a full frame GX85 with PDAF.
Yeah, bud without viewfinder 😕
@@MI25KO true, even a small crappy viewfinder would be better than none
@@djrosenbe I strongly disagree.
I wish it was full-frame GX85, but it has crappy flip screen, so pretty much unusable for me ( as I don't shoot video
@@djrosenbe even an external viewfinder like the Sigma FP/FPL's EVF would have been a great compromise. but sadly the S9 has a cold shoe and the ports are on the right side of the camera.
Nicely done review!
Thank you, I will check out yours!
I like yours as well!!
@Cameron_Prymak😊🙏🏻🖖🏻
The S9 looks like a real winner. Reminds me of my Panasonic GM1 & GX850.
One thing that's missing is using the S9 with flash. Too bad.
Good review. And nice that you got invited to Japan. Thanks, toronto canada.
The S9 it is a joke.
Fantastic review.
Thank you!
Great and comprehensive review. Looking forward to trying this one since it fits in the pack easier than the S5ii!
Great vid as always. I'm rocking a Gf9 for a while now. It might be time to upgrade.
Lovely little camera - the minimalist approach is great - the slow and not so precise auto focus is not. The concept is wonderful! 😊
I really want to buy a S9 just for the stabilisation. It's a shame there is no slow motion in open gate tho, as I would have used that feature. Still its going to be easier to use this camera in vertical orientation because its lighter and smaller. Great review - thanks
My pleasure, thank you for watching!
Great insights. In some things I have a difference of opinion.
- I think even a crappy evf would be vital to have under the bright sun when the LCD is hard to see, it's probably my biggest gripe with this camera. At lest it should have a hot shoe and an optional evf addon.
- The other major problem is the lack of compact lenses. A camera is only as compact as the lenses and there are almost none in the L-System.
- The lack of grip is puzzling as it doesn't affect the camera size at all when shape or form when a lens is attached. Now everybody uses a base-plate which actually does make the camera bigger in height.
- Finally the lack of shutter is a really big issue for a hybrid, but it doesn't sting as bad with the enhanced IBIS as a trade-off.
But it's a very promising entry, and hopefully Panasonic will keep at it, as the compact full-frame is probably the next big market shift.
LCD is actually fine even in direct sunlight, as long as you use maximal brightness and tilt it properly. Fortunately, Sigma I series lenses are compact enough.
@@TheHybridShooter Thanks for responding. Good to know about your positive experience with the LCD.
About the lenses, I understand about the primes but I think it's really missing a zoom option for flexibility, and a good pancake option for portability. The fixed/manual f8 can't really called a proper pancake, it's more of a pinhole lens. The good news is the zoom is on its way, albeit more on the wide range, wider than a nifty-fifty, so it won't really cover any telephoto needs.
@@salarycat The new 18-50mm kit lens should improve the small lens situation.
The GM1 intrigued me, and when I got the chance to get the GM5 with miniature zooms for a good price, it ultimately shifted me from primarily Fuji X-Pro over to being primarily Lumix (m4/3 then L-mount). So I'm pleased to see the GM line invoked here. My ultimate camera would be a Lumix which licensed Fuji's Hybrid VF.
The only GM features I see coming across here are lack of grip and not being larger than necessary. The latter is still pretty sweet to see on FF though.
Great video of yours dude. And, this camera is awesome. So sorry for all those toxic and arrogant haters. Lumix for ever and for life!!!
Thank you! Yeah, that it the case with every product nowadays, criticizing everything just makes some people feel more important...
I'm sorry but this is ridiculous. No mechanical shutter, EF-C, or hot shoe makes it horrible for photo in most cases. No headphone jack and *Extremely* short video record limits severely cripple the functionality for video. You have to fit in an incredibly narrow niche of mostly only caring about video but only in very short clips at a time without good audio or caring about photo but only on well lit static scenes, and then you have to accept that the camera has no room to grow whatsoever in the future with you.
Just a baffling release, I don't think this camera makes sense for almost anyone.
Your "statistics" are incorrect. Most types of photography actually don't require MS or EFC. Smartphones don't have them and people are doing just fine without it. I have used the S9 with all kinds of artificial lights in Japan and I haven't seen a single case of banding. Most people also don't take clips longer than 15 minutes. There is not reason why the audio wouldn't be good.
You couldn't say it better, it's a ridiculous camera for the price they try to sell it. Just $300 more and you have an S5 MKII that is a true hybrid camera and weather sealing.
It looks like a winner..
I agree.
Good interesting review. Suggestion: at the very beginning put on each camera a summary table with the most important technical details so that people has a bit of an overview what the camera offers. I didn’t know this camera and I had to search what’s all about, even if you talk about them generally. I for example like to pause and see ac take instead of hearing them over the video. Great job! 👏
I just bought a used GX9 at my local camera shop earlier this month Panasonic!
Thanks for your excellent video! I agree that a flip-up screen would be a better choice for a compact camera. It seems like Panasonic is planning to make the new LUT app available for the S5ii. I hope that means the next firmware update will also include the S9's intelligent zoom feature.
great video as always ! Ive got my S9 coming in the next two weeks and really looking forward to getting it. Ive ordered it with the 20-60. I have had the S1R and I currently have the S5 with the 24-70 2.8! how dose it handle with the 24-70?
Very nice and balanced review!
The camera is not for me but it seems like a step into the right direction in diversifying the cameras offered for the L-mount. Hopefully, it will attract some new customers into the camera market and thereby benefit all of us.
Additionally, it is quite interesting to see how compact a FF system can be and I think this will also contribute to more compact lenses. I appreciate having more options available within one system.
I guess in the long run camera companies will focus on FF since the drawbacks compared to smaller sensor systems such as overall size, IBIS performance and sensor readout speed will get less pronounced over time. Time will tell...
Precise review and is a more reliable one of all others for logic and consistency.
Thanks fpr the review! Very informativ. Since i am already invested in L-mount, i find this camera very interesting. The only thing missing for me is a thumb command dial.....
The Osaka Castle shot here is so good! 8:36
Thank you!
A full-frame GM1, I am so sold. That said I'll wait for the mentioned pancake zoom to be available as a package.
Did you test the screen on a bright sunny day ? Let me know, since no EWF, I dont wanna spent 2000 dolar for mirror.
Yes, it was sunny most of the time as you can see by the samples, I haven't had any issues with screen visibility.
what is the current firmware? where can i download? thank you
Hi, great review as always. I am really interested to exchange my Fuji X-E4 for this. I am only curious how electronic shutter of Panasonic S9 deals with banding. It does have some sort of synchro scan (this feature that syncs to artificial light pulsing). Is it enough to deal with the basic home lightning to avoid banding ?
Thank you! I have used it with all kinds of artificial lights in Japan, with no banding whatsoever.
@@TheHybridShooter I will give it a shot then. Seems like a really fun camera for travel where you can totally bypass PC editing. This LUT implementation and IBIS alone are gamechangers.
Great fair review
Thank you!
Flash and EVF seem to be missing but I could deal with it for a better back LCD and lower price. Will be interesting to see the bundle price with the new 18-40 at Christmas or next year black Friday
Grateful if you would do a video about options for small lenses for this S9, good for both photo and video. Ideally, a small camera should be able to be paired with small lenses, for every day carry, or travel, etc. Thank you.
I am reviewing some of those lenses at the moment, it is possible that I will make a video about that when I review more of them.
GM1 on steroid
Hope they launch a gm5 on steroids too 😂
hey great video, i was wondering do if you had gh5 today would you consider upgrading? mosrlt for video? what would you recomend?
I would consider upgrading it, but probably with the S5 II / S5 II X if you want a direct replacement.
Too bad comments about this camera , but for me, I do have a flash and never use it. And so far never have filmed a clip more than one minute. But… I really like small lenses of m43!!
I wonder if bellows lenses will make a comeback.
I don't think so.
I don't see any advantages in this device, except for a nice, but inconvenient design. What's it? A camera? No. A video camera? No. An incomprehensible "fashionable" thing for $1,500
Easy fix… don’t buy one, not every camera is designed specifically for you.
I agree with you on the screen likes to have seen a screen on it a la sony a6400 for instance. Perhaps they can make an r version with the 61 or 47mp sensor which has that screen. I do regret having only a coldshoe. A digital hotshoe would have been great for the people who sont mind adding an evf for instance and Panasonic could have made some more money that way. Do like the lut feature and ibis also like the l mount lenses. Especially from Sigma. I dont know if I'll get one but if there is a good deal on it eg black friday then I moght give it a shot.
Panasonic was smart to have you review the S9. Congrats to you! Excellent review.
Thank you!
Meanwhile OM/Olympus is doing its best to make cameras as big as it can.
As usual, you did a terrific job with this review...
Did Panasonic tell you when the new app will be available?
Thank you! Unfortunately, I don't know, but I guess that it will have to by available by 29. June at the latest.
There is no flash?
No webcam test? If it lasts as a webcam, I'll buy it.
Unfortunately, I don't have much experience with using DSLMs as webcams, so I don't include that in my videos. You should be able to find information about that online.
Also in the camp of wanting an mft version (but with the “missing” hardware+software of the s9…so that’s just an updated gx9) but the s9 looks like a great option for its price. Its great to have somewhat affordable full frame options
happy to see you after some time. Does this camera record in Phase defect auto focus in 120 fps HD ?
It has upbto 180fps in HD
Who exactly?
What other full frame has 4k 120 with no crop at this price point? I'll wait lol@@GrenlandUnderVann
@@GrenlandUnderVann Everyone except you.
@@GrenlandUnderVannwait, you really don’t think it’s fair to include price when assessing a product against its peers???
One of the best reviews of this camera (well balanced), but I think you haven't mentioned the lack of hot shoe.
I hope Panasonic will release GM5/GM1 successor with the same (or smaller body). I. would love G9 II in this small form factor. Although I need hot shoe because I love flash photography. So probably mechanical shutter too :D. I also want viewfinder, even mediocre one.
I need x9 in qpsc
Another GX9/GM5 user here. Do you think that the S9 has enough controls to enjoy it also for photography only? i.e. with a small Sigma 24/3.5 DG DN lens?
No.
Mask On Nurse Marty (Ret)
Yes, it has all that you need. It is not an experience oriented camera such as the X100VI, but it is completely fine for photography.
No viewfinder, no flash option the hot shoe It only serves as a support it has no synchronization, no dual card, no weather sealing, no grip, how can you justify paying $1300 for a camera body that is so cut down even for photography, since the video part is even funnier. Also, in 5 months this camera will have dropped a lot in price and then you won't sell it to anyone.
As cool as it looks, I'm not the target audience for this thing. Would love a photographer's version, basically the S9 with a viewfinder and a tilt screen. S7?
I appreciate that you acknowledge that you are not the target audience. Other version probably won't happen, different people would like different features added and at that point it would probably just become another S5 II.
@@TheHybridShooter I too am not in the targeted market. I am a street photographer. I primarily shoot stills. I need an EVF. I don’t understand why Panasonic didn’t include an audio jac like they didn’t on the GX85/9. Don’t content creators need audio for their videos?
Kudos to Panasonic for jamming a full frame sensor and the large battery into this small body. I was hoping this body would be M43 and a GX8 update. One can hope.
Mask On Nurse Marty (Ret)
@@martingreenberg870 Not for that kind of content providers. If they do, they will most likely use something like DJI Mic 2, which has headphone output.
Is this your first trip to Japan by Lumix.
No, it is my second trip.
@@TheHybridShooter By Lumix moving to FF you still into their ecosystem.
@@angeloplayforone I'm not sure what do you mean by that.
@@TheHybridShooter I’m mean your still using Lumix FF instead their m43. You made a video some year ago that you will leave m43.
@angeloplayforone Yes, there were able to keep many former M43 users by releasing FF cameras.
Will lumix lab work with S5II in future?
It should.
Kind of a bummer Panasonic doesn't have 1.6x anamorphic desqueeze.
I will talk about that to Panasonic, there is a lot of 1.6x lenses available, so I think that there is a change they will include it. 1.5x works good enough for now.
I can't take the S9 seriously with all the limitations it has, much less at the price they put it on the market when an S5 MKII only costs $300 more. If the S9 cost $550 someone might be tempted by the price.
The S9 is really intended for those who can appreciate having a full frame sensor in the smallest possible package, and are willing to accept associated compromises. There is a lot of such people. They already make the S5 II for those who "can't take it seriously".
People buy small cameras then automatically try to make it bigger 🤔
Your S9 link goes to S5II
It only works properly in the US, EU redirecting is unfortunately not reliable.
infomative on new S9
S9 have tally light?
I really value your reviews but you definitely should have mentioned the lack of a hot shoe. A big miss in your review. Everything else was great.
HEY please compare this to the Sigma FP-L 😃
I don’t have FP-L.
@@TheHybridShooter ☹️ ok
#getwellsoonpanasonicLumixS9
Cons:
1. No USB video class (UVC )so, No just plug & play webcam ? ??
2. No headphones out for video
3. No digital mic via cold shoe
4. Vidio clip recording limit in 4K+
5. No EVF or side card door
None of those cons is relevant to the intended use. Get the S5 II if you need those features.
Great review
Thank you!
No tilt screen makes it bad for street photography 😢
Same for no EVF. This body wasn’t made for us photographers. This body is being marketed to content creators.
Mask On Nurse Marty (Ret)
@@martingreenberg870 Not all photographers need EVF. 1.84 mil. do screen will always be a better experience than 0.59x 2.36 mil. dot EVF.
Is the back screen visible under the bright sunlight. I’m curious because this is the major problem of sigma fp.
Yes, it is very bright, I haven't had any issues with that.
@@TheHybridShooter Hugh Brownstone disagrees in his review.
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@@martingreenberg870 It is importent to use +3 setting in direct sunlight.
Still wouldn’t buy this over a zv-e1 or the A7cii
They should release another version with tilting screen and viewfinder :)
That’s a bit too much to ask :)
@@TheHybridShooter In my opinion, it is not too much to ask for. This is what we want. We may not get what we want though. Again, we aren’t the market segment this body is designed for. Fair enough.
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All reviews came out the same day and merely the same hour. At the moment of writing this comment it is 10 hours ago. Looks much like a conspiracy. But you are the Pioneer of reviews!
Thank you! That has been the case with every camera from every manufacturer for as long as I have been making reviews, there is always a set time after which you are allowed to post a review. I don't think that it qualifies as a conspiracy :)
@@TheHybridShooter And what happens if you post it several hours before it is allowed? What kind of responsibility a blogger will have? A company will cease cooperation? I understand it to be some specific day to happen but hour level precision seems to be too much. Have never seen that before. :)
@@harry54ck It is usually written in the NDA, I don't really know what is the penalty. Exact release time is a completely normal thing for any product, it is not camera specific. Car reviews for a new models will also all appear at the same time.
@@TheHybridShooter The penalty may be not being invited to junkets in the future to use the camera before the camera is announced. That would be a major blow. As a consumer of the reviews I have no problem with the NDA or the reviewers being flown to japan plus being wined and dined.
Mask On Nurse Marty (Ret)
@@martingreenberg870 Probably depends on the severity. Large intentional leak of information may have legal consequences.
I have the s5ii and i love it but I don’t understand this camera, not having a mechanical shutter is understandable and there aren’t really compact lens in the L mount catalog for full frame.
There is actually quite a lot of compact L-mount lenses available, for example Sigma i series. The S9 is not an S5 II replacement, so If you are happy S5 II users, you don't need to understand this camera, it is made for different kind of users.
I was hoping for global shutter...
If it had at least a mech shutter, and maybe a small EVF, it would have also been a great travel starter full-frame photography camera.
This way, it's only a great short-format Tiktoker and Short-er, Reels-er camera... Not good even for long video, as the a7C II and ZV-E1 can do.
Do you need longer clips than 15 minutes for travel videos? Is there a specific reason why do you need mechanical shutter for travel photography?
@@TheHybridShooter
For travel videos, no. But I don't mind being able to also use it as a backup camera or second/third angle, occasionally, for a shoot. So I don't like Panasonic limiting the video record time, and doing it so low.
Regarding the mechanical shutter for travel photography, ABSOLUTELY! I mean, absolutely, on a non-stacked, not particularly fast-to-read sensor. And also, having the option of a small flash can be useful both for travel photography, and for amateur use.
Other than that, I don't get the lack of a front grip. I mean, if they offer that optional grip (Nikon Zf style) as a "better have it" option, why not having a grip altogether? Sure, it would have looked bad on the flat, retro-wannabe look, with the leatherette, but even so.
All in all, you can find S5 II used at the price of the S9 new, or even cheaper. So that's not such a problem. Though, it's nice to see the "cripple hammer" at work.
However, the lack of a headphones out it unjustifiable. Even the Sony ZV-E10 has it.
What I meant to say it that it could have been a stellar video+photo hybrid for travel, creators, entry-level. With its specs and lack of a few important specs, it can be a video+(meh)photo hybrid.
And also, again, it doesnt have a sensor with the readout of Canon's R8. But it's good that it is. And with the bottom of the optional grip, it's about 2 cm or more taller than a Sony ZV-E1/a7C II.
@catalin-ap So you are basically complaining that it is not another S5 II... and that is exactly the problem with this kind of comments. This camera is clearly not trying to match *your* specific requirements, but that absolutely doesn't mean that it is not a good camera for traveling or full frame photography. It is designed for completely different type of use / user. If you want something with EVF, grip, headphone jack, mechanical shutter and so on, I don't understand why are you even watching S9 review, let alone commenting... here is a long term S5 II / S5 II X review for you: ua-cam.com/video/XY0ghnZegZc/v-deo.html that actually is a camera designed to meet your requirements.
I have asked about specific reasons why you need mechanical shutter for travel photography (specific situations).
@@TheHybridShooter
I personally am a kind of avanced shooter (stills, mostly) that also uses $5k cameras, as well as $500 cameras.
Btw, I follow your reviews and find them very informative and very well documented, and really appreciate your work, which contributes, among others, to my gear choices!
As a user, I would like to have $5000 features in a $1000 camera, if possible. :) But I understand the compromises and limitations of manufacturing, as well as the manufacturer's segmentation of products, into different lines, for different users.
For this particular situation, I only think of the Sony ZV-E10: it's the a6100 in a creator/vlogging-style camera, but without any compromise to the photo side. As simple as that, you don't have an EVF, but as a beginner, that is a real hybrid camera for that bottom-line price point! You can use a flash, and you can shoot sports, if you want, or panning, or anything that moves faster than walking as an amateur, but get no distorted lines.
I get the idea of the S9, and I appreciate its innovations regarding fast video transfer to the phone, which can be very useful, as well as going all-in on LUTs, including easy import and very advanced and easy configuration of them! And the good IBIS, full-size battery! Great things!
But, as this camera seems to also want to compete a bit with Fujifilm's core idea (LUTs - film simulations), I think this camera misses just by a very small margin the "good photo camera for young people/creators". An electronic first-curtain shutter (as in the Canon R8, Sony a7C II - aimed also at a relatively similar audience, from my point of view) with 1/160 flash sync would have made justice, and probably not added more than $100+ in cost, 50g in weight, but would have made it a true hybrid.
As Sony and Canon also have the distinction, even then the segmentation would have been clear - this is a creator's, entry-level, young, travel/vlogging camera, whereas the S5 II (and X) are the pro-level cameras, suitable also for wedding and event video and photo.
And to answer your question, when travelling and roaming the city, and going out with friends, I don't always only shoot photos of static things; there can also be moving subjects, cars, or shooting from a moving vehicl sometimes, when a rolling shutter will make things look bad.
Ok, for the grip, joystick, dual card slots, and even EVF, I get it. But dropping the mech shutter I think makes sense in just 2 situations:
1. you want the camera to be basically video-only, or almost video only (as a manufacturer, you force that camera to be that way)
2. the camera has a stacked sensor, and it can do without a mech shutter, but can take undistorted photos.
Otherwise, the Sigma FP and FP-L (much worse rolling shutter than this, much more quircky and impractical of a camera) was a forgettable camera, especially as a photo camera.
And lastly, Panasonic is not at all in Sony's position, where they have 15 cameras total or there about, and can have a FF creators camera, a FF photo entry-level camera, an APS-C creators camera etc.
Panasonic only has the S5 II + X as their only current camera in the lineup. The S1, S1R, S1H, tough good, are kind of obsolete, both because of size (but have great ergonomics) and because of age and lack of DPAF. So I think it would have been wiser for them to make the S9 as a a7C II+ZV-E1 competitor, not just as a ZV-E1-only competitor. That was basically what I meant to say, to jist of it.
Thanks for reading!
Is the PDAF now available in FHD 60p and 120p?
Should have had a hot shoe evf. Big miss in that regard
Let's hope that it sells well so that panasonic actually feel comfortable making a proper photography version of this, with evf, mech shutter and tilt+flip screen
If it sells well what's to stop them doubling down on this "creator" market and abandoning photography altogether?
if they had added even a joke EVF like the one on gm5 or the zs/tz series also a hotshoe and weather sealing this would have been the perfect camera
Maybe not perfect but much better. The EVF, such as on the A7C, isn’t luxurious but is adequate. Again, for me, the major head scratcher is why there isn’t an audio jac. Don’t content creators need sound for their videos? Maybe not.
Mask On Nurse Marty (Ret)
@@martingreenberg870 why no audio via USB or Bluetooth is a puzzle to me. And why no one uses the Bluetooth
@@martingreenberg870 I wouldn't call 0.59x EVF adequate,.I have never used it on the A7C, despite that it has much worse screen in comparison to the S9.
@@xpucmogrozdanov6391 Latency.
@@TheHybridShooter If Bluetooth audio is suitable for gaming and TV, why not for monitoring? They have the chip inside. there is wifi and Bluetooth, and we could even connect the microphones directly to them. They are fast enough and there is always some internal synchronisation between audio and video before recording
It was all good until the short record limits. What happens if the
The Micro hdmi and Usb C port on the right side is a no go!!
The micro HDMI, and though not mentioned, single card slot are standard in this size body.
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No mechanical shutter with this slow sensor readout will often result in banding.
Not in the real-world use. We have tested that with all kinds artificial lights in Japan and more LEDs at home and I haven't seen a single case of banding. If it was an issue, it would be reported by now. I'm not sure what do you mean by flickering. Every camera uses electronic shutter in video, so flickering can occur with any camera if the setting are not correct.
@TheHybridShooter Oh, that's surprising! I wonder how they're able to manage that when other manufacturers can't. I have four Micro Four Thirds cameras from Panasonic, and they all suffer from heavy banding with electronic shutter in LED lighting. If that's not an issue with this one, then I'll definitely consider getting it.
@TheHybridShooter I just checked Chris's test from PetaPixel, and he says the S9 suffers from heavy banding at shutter speeds above 1/200 sec.
@@bastian.michel That is why I wrote in the real world. Their example is shot at 1/640 s. The only real-world situation where you would use such hight shutter speed with artificial lights is indoor sports. If you intend to shoot indoors sports, you should not buy the S9, it is not designed for that in any way. All other situations will be fine.
@TheHybridShooter Sorry, but I disagree. For indoor photography involving people, a shutter speed above 1/200th is essential. With LED lighting, shooting below 1/160th almost always results in motion blur with moving subjects. This is a well-known fact among photographers.
While it's possible to use 1/60th or 1/100th with an electronic shutter and LED lighting, this has been the case for most cameras. In real-world scenarios, to avoid motion blur, you need a higher shutter speed.
If you're not photographing people or animals, lower shutter speeds might work. However, any movement in the frame requires a higher shutter speed. This is why many criticize Panasonic for removing the mechanical shutter.
We’ll see what customers report when they have the camera in hand, but until then, I'm skeptical that the electronic shutter is sufficient for photography.
I follow you for a long time already, and you are one of my favorite reviewer, but Im really not sure about this electronic shutter.
I also hope that Panasonic will produce small lenses with fits to this body.
Fixed recording limits are a bummer. Not everyone shoots in 40°C weather or in direct sunlight. Why can't they just do what other manufacturers do and just let people record until the camera overheats.
That is not allowed in most regions anymore, consumer electronic devices can't get over certain temperature limits because of the safety regulations.
@@TheHybridShooter i think they're saying the camera would shut down right before it overheats, not after
@@MrJed_s It is simply a safety thing, at least in the EU. There was a lot of talk about it after DJI Action 2 release, which was limited to 6 minutes in the EU in some modes. I don't know what exactly are the rules.
They do it because they know their product is bad and they don't want to deal with warranty claims. It's funny that they sell a camera for content creators and it turns out that they can't record more than 10 minutes at a time. It must be so you buy two camera bodies from them.
Panasonic has recognized the market that everyone else has missed. The need for a blue, green, red or black FF interchangeable lens mirrorless camera that does not have a viewfinder.
Kudos Panasonic, kudos.
The kit lens is a JOKE they should make it f25 next time
1. it is not a kit lens
2. Some people just don't understand what it is
3. there are some surprises with that one
@TheHybridShooter besides the 20-60 name me another small compact autofocus lens for this system...spoiler alert...you can't find one
@glpro2696 But of course I can. 9 Sigma i Sries lenses, the whole Panasonic F1.8 collection, 100mm F2.8....
I was super excited before the release but after finding out about the specs and features.......I have to say, this is the most disappointing release I've ever seen from panasonic to date.....and this hurts me to say this because I love Panasonic cameras too. This camera may destroy Panasonic because it will flop immediately and they will not recover the millions of dollars they've invested into R&D and productions costs. Sad day for Panasonic camera lovers.
Don’t worry, it is a great package for the target group, which more than sufficiently large. It just isn’t for you. Panasonic will be more than fine, it is a great day for Panasonic fans.
@@TheHybridShooter l hope you are right.
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What about overheating?
@@GrenlandUnderVann Not true. We have tried 3 consecutive 15 minutes 4K clips in Japan on a warm day and it worked with no issues.
@@GrenlandUnderVann Still not true, try again.
My initial reaction of S9:
1. There are almost NO lenses that are usable on this camera. The new joke lens (that f8 thing) and Contemp. Sigmas (like 45/2.8) and that's it. All others will be HUGE for this toy.
2. Cold shoe? REALLY? So no studio shots, no flashes... Ummm... That's extreme money preserving, Panasonic.
3. LUT thingie? Ummm... From the first view looks like a useless gimmick...
4. No mechanical shutter with small speed sensor? No, thanks.
5. No EVF... Crazyness, really. When you shoot on bright sunlight you have no EVF, when you shooting in darkness you have no flash... What?
6. 12 Bit RAWs only? Ummm...
I might be not that confident in what "simple people" like to use, but for me this THING looks like a strange not really usable toy... I hope Panasonic will NOT go this way with the future cameras...
1. is nonsense, I have been using it with all kind of lenses with no issues.
As for the rest, as I have said multiple times in the video, Panasonic will be more than happy to sell you an S5 II if you think so...
@@TheHybridShooter Actually, I JUST (literally, 2 days ago) sold my S1R and replaced it with... Yes, Panasonic again - G9 :) Had a large transition period while I had both cameras and decided to go fully MFT finally... The lenses I can get my hands on on this system are simply mesmerizing...
Anyway, I don't get why the hell they did this thing L mount and not MFT? MFT has LOTS of nice very light lenses and is MEANT for cameras like this initially. Is that crappy 26mm/8 gonna shoot better then MFT 20/1.7 - NO. Then what's the point?
@@snowcat20 Whatever floats your boat...
Full frame is simply a much more desirable format, so it makes perfect sense that Panasonic wants to give people an option to have it in a very compact body, even with some compromises. Regarding the 26mm F8, there are some surprises with that one, it will actually shoot better :)
@@TheHybridShooter Well, let's see... Actually I hope that Panasonic WILL get lots of money from... Whatever guys might be interested in a toy like this. More money - more RnD - more new products. So yes, I wish them luck, but my money will not be spent on this gimmick... I'd better get a Panasonic Leica 50-200/2.8-4...
@@snowcat20 Try to be reasonable please, some people might call cameras with M43 sensor toys or gimmicks. I guess that you wouldn't like that...
I have no idea who this camera is actually for. What an utter disappointment.
For those who are interested in having a full frame sensor in the smallest camera body possible. Believe it or not, here is a lot of people interested in that.
Nice review, as always 👍 the main problem seem to be the ergonomics of the cameras.Too many compromises there: no evf, no grip (there is no tiny FF lens to go with the calera besides that rificulous fix focus f8 pancake, unlike the m43 lineup), and most importantly, that awful back dial/pad taken from the G100. Was it so hard to add a thumb dial like on a Gx9 or even a gm5? O really hope Panasonic will come with a Gx9 update, as I think a m43 sensor makes much more sense with small lenses. On this S9, even a 50 1.8 looks huge and unbalanced...
Thank you, although I disagree with all of your criticism. If it had all of the features that people are asking for, it would have ended up being just another S5 II. As I have said in the video, the S5 II already addresses all of your points. I don't see a space for rear dial, 2 command dials are completely fine in this category, I don't see an issue with the D-pad.
F1.8 primes have been completely fine on the S9 during my use, 20-60 as well. 18-40 will also be a great match, i series Sigma lenses as well. The 26mm has some pleasant surprises that haven't been revealed yet.
I hope that Panasonic will go all-in with small FF instead of splitting resources between FF and M43.
@@TheHybridShooter let's agree to disagree 😀 Don't take me wrong: I have no issue with this camera. But as a dual system user (Sony FF along m43), I am still waiting for a compact Gx9 successor, as I take great pleasure using my m43 system for family and travel. You can't beat a Gx9-sized camera with a 15 f1.7 and a 42.5 1.7 along with the 12-32 pancake and 35-100 tiny tele that fit into the same bag as my A7IV with one lens. Different systems for different uses.
@@JeanV1986 I understand, but Panasonic has valid reasons not to make GX9 successor. It depends on your definition of "can't beat" S9 with i series lenses beats those combinations in many ways. I hope that the S9 is the first step to figuring out how to replace M43 compact lineup with FF and I think that it is a good start.
@@TheHybridShooter in my opinion, they should concentrate on small cameras in the m43 world (instead of G9ii and Gh6...) and on full featured, full sized FF cameras. Also, a body S9 costs 1700€, without a lens. For 1000€, you could get a Gx9 with three lenses kit. Not the same public at all.
@JeanV1986 From the business point of view, keeping two systems doesn't seem to be viable. Making money on sub $1500 cameras is very difficult after the supply chain crisis so I think that Panasonic will try to move everything to FF which is much more desirable format in general.
No
Not what I expected. It’s a nice trendy everyday camera with certainly excellent image quality. The fact that there are zero (0) lenses matching the camera size at launch is very strange and disappointing
Well, matching the camera is not a yes or no thing. A lot of lenses are completely fine for use with the S9.
@@TheHybridShooter I wrote the camera « size ». I find that once you pair with one of the excellent 1.8 primes the camera becomes to big and you lose the purpose of buying a small body. I would rather buy a S5II. (by the way : congratulations and thank you for your absolutely great channel 👍)
@@Angelo_Botta I am aware of that, my answer stills stands, a lot of Panasonic lenses are completely fine on the S5 II size-wise. Sigma i series would be even better. Thank you!
Such video limits in 2024. OMG, Panasonic, what are you doin'?
Great review!
Thank you!
@thehybridshooter Can the S9 compete with X100VI? I thought the video quality is fantastic (it normally is with Panasonic cameras anyway).
They are not direct competitors, but some people will probably deciding between them.
Some will, so will I. Beeing super Happy with my S5II I skipped the X100VI altough it has no EVF and weathersealing and will get an S9 after prices dropped. IQ and DR on my S5II are outstanding so the S9 is a small travel no brainer.@@TheHybridShooter
that is one impressively packaged bit of tech!
Why is no mentioning if the lut app works with all panasonic or just the s9.
Because the details are not clear at the moment.
@@TheHybridShooter Thanks for the info !!
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no evf, plus sigma fpl exists