Ride on the fast cycle route F261 (Netherlands)
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- Опубліковано 17 жов 2020
- [798] The F261 fast cycle route from Tilburg to Waalwijk is under construction. The section from Kaatsheuvel to Waalwijk is finished. I filmed that part and then I continued riding to 's-Hertogenbosch to film the beginning of the F59 from Waalwijk to 's-Hertogenbosch. Filmed on a very hot day during the summer holidays; 11 August 2020. More information in the blog post: bicycledutch.wordpress.com/?p...
I like how the bikeways resemble the automobile highways with signs and markings.
@@lucasrem : huh?
@lucas rem : huh ???
@@lucasrem fixated much
Like bikers obey them on them road
@@lucasrem
The Force isn't working in your favor...
thanks for showing
I really don’t understand why we can’t have this in the states
@@lucasrem this is not in amsterdam this is in tilburg and the neigbouring areas like Kaatsheuvel where on of the largest theme park in the world is called Efteling, also what the fuck is wrong with you, givkng land to the expats, we are just building cyclepaths so that people cycling to destinations won't die, and this happend becouse thousends of dutch people protested, also dutch people stay local? I know a lot of dutch people that go to work everyday in the next largest city which is half an hour away without being stuck in traffic and i also go from helmond which is next to eindhoven to rotterdam over a dozen times a year.
@@lucasrem doe normaal
@@lucasrem What the fuck are you even talking about
It's complicated, but I think it has a lot to do with classism and racism. The first wave of auto-dependent American suburbs were created as White enclaves. In 1936, the Federal Housing Administration said, "incompatible racial groups should not be permitted to live in the same communities." www.npr.org/2017/05/03/526655831/a-forgotten-history-of-how-the-u-s-government-segregated-america
Think about the circumstances of Trayvon Martin's death. In 2012, a 17-year-old Black boy was walking home from a convenience store when he was reported as suspicious by the neighborhood watch, followed, and ultimately shot dead. It's hard to imagine those neighbors supporting populist cycling infrastructure through their wealthy/White enclave.
Luckily, these attitudes are changing. In 2018, the Texas Bicycle Tourism Trails Study was released, recommending something similar to what we see in this Dutch video, to connect the major points of interest in Texas. www.txdot.gov/inside-txdot/modes-of-travel/bicycle/plan-design/tourism-study.html
@Zones Because it cost a lot of tax money, and no one is waiting for a bikepath of 100km to commute to work.
@lucas rem De VOC was inderdaad geen frisse onderneming, maar de locals die ze op hun reizen ontmoete waren niet allemaal elfjes, met bloemetjes in hun haar, spelend op een harp.
Maar dat is een totaal andere discussie, die weinig met fietspaden te maken heeft.
I counted at least 3 tricycle mobility scooters for the infirm. Just for that, by giving these people the option to move about freely and without help, it's worth the cost. Also I like the modern with a touch of art deco street lights.
I know that building the infrastructure cost a lot of money, but realise that cycle lanes are good value for money. Once they are done they require so much less maintenance compared to roades.
Lately i have been encountering more duofietsen where two elderly people are sitting next to each other and ride together. With the wider cycling paths that has become a viable way to enjoy the countryside, get some fresh air and get some light exercise.
How beautiful and peaceful is this I love it.
That bike path looks so damn good
Impressive cycling infrastructure as always from the Netherlands.
This video was just what I needed to relax tonight. =)
Another thing I've noticed from these videos, compared to the UK, is how in the Netherlands the authorities let the verges and medians grow, without feeling the need to mow them every couple of weeks. It makes for a much more attractive landscape, and is almost certainly better for biodiversity too. Something else we could learn from here.
Where I live that sort of vegetation acts as an unsightly litter-trap, no evidence of that here though!
There are mowing schemes, and they protect insects and plants by not mowing all at once.
Wild flowers are given a chance to seed out.
That's why you sometimes see a totally different composition in vegetation on the sides.
P.S. Sometimes it's a struggle for the supervisor, because the guys on the mowers just go on and on...
And they have to be instructed firmly to keep the schemes working.
local governments started to do that in the 90s and I remember thinking better late than never.
@@dutchman7623 If I would be mowing I would keep it flat. Nice for bio-diversity those weeds but bad for my allergies.
In Belgium a "late mowing" scheme is now generally applied ("Fauchage tardif" in french language), as it helps for biodiversity. It's not new at all, it's in application at least since the last 30 years or so.
The bike path is slightly narrower and is paved with red asphalt. However, the lane system is as similar as the car road, and it looks very convenient!
It is impressive that there is a tunnel for bicycles and a highway next to the bicycle path.
I'm still envious of the un-upgraded part of the path!
Look this vlog: ua-cam.com/video/2-4UM_KGUN4/v-deo.html&ab_channel=BicycleDutch Is from Den Bosch to Waalwijk, I do not hope they fuck that up.
Beautiful infrastructure! Wish we had this in the US
Vote for the right people! As long as you vote for idiots like Trump, nothing will ever change.
Fantastic! And a lovely kept suburban landscape too. Very pretty!
I admire their roads No Litter !!!! That says a lot about their culture
Well to be honest , this is not exemplary for the rest of our country.
The town centres can be pretty littered even tough there are trash cans everywhere.
They should up the fine for littering more , if you ask me.
I’ve used that road a million times. It feels strange to see it.
Haha same dude
Very nice. I have a Canta2Comfort that is allowed to drive on the bicycle paths as well as on the surface streets. I learn a lot just by watching these videos. Thank you.
Awesome as always 👏 I miss the netherlands would have been there this year if it wasn't for this virus, hopefully i will again in 2021, look after your self's love from I hope soon a free Scotland.
Did everybody notice the gas prices at that gas station? I'd ride a bike too...
That s how a bikerslane looks in paradise> perfect.
With that speed you're not getting a KOM, It's a fast cycle route. Just flex those muscles :P
A what?
@@BicycleDutch It's a Strava thing. KOM = King of the mountain = being the fastest person on a section of road
Strava? Isn't that something racers use? Completely different type of cycling.
BicycleDutch OP was joking i am pretty sure
And what do you think I was doing?
It keeps getting better.
What a nice stretch of road for a racing bike.
What nice weather for October.
but you have to be careful
on the bike path there is a limit of 30 kmh
if you're faster you have to go on the road with cars and you have to have a helmet
@@tihomirraspericImagine getting a fine on bicycle lol
@@dinanbimmertv1864 my roommate received a 150 euro fine for riding a bicycle and talking on a cell phone
This is what I wish to have in my Texas neighbourhood
Well, give your vote to the right people!
@@henkoosterink8744 Unfortunately, I am not 18 yet, but once the chance arises, I will do more than so
My city is trying. But, this is at another level!
Give it time. Rome wasn't build in a day....and neither was the Dutch infrastructure. As long as you're headed in the right direction sooner or later you'll get there.
@@maaiker2977 Yes and vote for the right people.
If I go there again, I will go sightseeing the city first on a Gazelle.
yeah, they are one of the best.
I live in The Netherlands, and I am a l w a y s on my Gazelle!
I am always on my Batavus Tour, 🙂🌷
@@miran4471 oh jaaa...Batavus Tour !!!
🙂🌷
I hope you did the Halve zolenoad as well, if not I strongly recommend it!
This is incredibly impressive. This is how our public spaces should be organised - people centred. I just wonder, these bike lanes are highly functional, are there any leisure routes that pass through quite countryside or beauty spots?
Yes. Numerous, everywhere. These fast routes are primarily functional.
Have a look (english and german translation available):
www.nederlandfietsland.nl/fietsroutes
Don't forget to get 'lost' on purpose from time to time. 😎 Enjoy!
All of the National parks here have some kind of cycling route going through them. These routes don't follow a road cars can use, so they're very quiet.
Lovely. That's a lovely bit of infrastructure.
Heaven for a velomobile rider used to hilly and sometimes hostile North Dublin roads !
Sure, you could do the whole route in under three minutes! 😎
(watch out for kids an my grandmother, though)
I’m interested to see the bikes parked, presumably at bus stops. In the U.K. they’d be seen as an open invitation to thieves to call regularly with a van and some bolt-cutters.
same here in The Netherlands, still many bikes are are stolen; especially in the cities,
In my city there is a lot of law-inforcement, so it's relatively save to park your bike. The theft is upgraded though; the thieves aim at electric bikes these days.
2.26. The building at the left is the Efteling Hotel. A bit more to the left there is the Efteling, the world famous fairy tale park. The fast cycle route is real, definetely no part of a fairy tale! The bridge at the very end, part of fast cycle route F59: That was a railway bridge in a former railway line. That line was closed in 1972 and lifted in 1987. The plan was also to remove the bridges, including this one. Protests from local people, and initiatives to save them were successfully and the bridges became a monument and were converted into cycle bridges, after restauration. Yeah, a bridge built to carry a train can easily carry tons of cyclists... Great video like always!
@@dimrrider9133 Thank you for your reply! I can imagine it is nice to see for you some buildings in the clip you worked on!
The part towards the end looks so beautiful
What a treat.
7:05 de goede tijd. 1.61 tanken bij shell
lol that guy at 6:33 speaking romanian took me by surprise, but it also explains why he was walking on a bike path i guess. he was talking about how someone went down a set of stairs
Interesting, someone fell down a set of stairs?
Thank you for showing the full length of the fast cycle route 😃 I only have one question: what’s the width of the 2-lane cycle route?
About 2 meters either side, so a total of around 4 meters. Excluding the occasional pavement along the road
This must be a nightmare in winter: endless road. Imagine the wind and the rain!
The majority of the Dutch are used to horizontal hills (aka head winds) and rain though: ua-cam.com/video/Sb7V1qtx8VE/v-deo.html.
Even cycling during snowy weather, true mass cycling: ua-cam.com/video/5JQr8cm-6X4/v-deo.html
@@taerial879 you tell me, I'm a living Dutch myself and I'm telling you, I'd much rather cycle through a neighborhood where the houses stop the wind than this cycle superhighway! I'm a big fan of cycling, but not of these long empty stretches. Cyclists are not cars!
A nightmare in winter....pfffff. I ride my bike all year long, no problem. We are not made of sugar, maby you are?😅
Imagine a legit bike freeway with the exits and overpasses
I don't have to imagine that, i'm riding one every day.
@@brozius You’re a lucky guy (say actual freeway for bikes only?)
@@brozius also, which country do you live in?
@@ILoveQazaqstan The Netherlands.
@@brozius ok, not suprising at all
Hmm,as a dutchman i dont get it why you must climb up after the tunnel and then a short while later the bike lane goes down again...(3.48)But there is a clock at the side off the route!Je must push the button if you have red!!21.38)
No you don't have to push the button. Look at the light itself; the countdown light is already going. There are detection loops in the surface. It is almost never necessary to push the buttons.
Suggestie, maak een video over de fietssnelweg tussen Wierden en Almelo. Het is een weg vol avontuur en als men goed oplet kan men een wilde Passie zien.
Wat is een Passie, Wietze?
You could probably fit a two way bike lane and pedestrian space in the amount of space that just one wide car lane takes up.
Instead in the US bikes and walkers are given dirt and mud usually. They walk/bike using a lot or all of their own energy while car drivers sit in comfy 2500 pound protected, climate controlled, metal cans on 4-5 or more lane roads.
How about we let everyone have freedom to move?
Misschien is het interessant om binnenkort een video te maken over de vernieuwde Voorstraat in Utrecht. Getransformeerd van een drukke en smalle autoweg naar een rood-geasfalteerde fietsstraat waar de auto te gast is
Zeker! Ik heb de 'before' situatie vorig jaar gelfilmd en af en toe de werkzaamheden. Nu de "after" nog en dan kan het een post worden.
Het wachten is nu op een fietssnelweg netwerk in de gehele randstad en uiteindelijk heel Nederland. In één keer door van Zeeland naar Groningen met de fiets.
Wel ff een plaspauze inlassen, hè. Moet van de dokter...
postie bike! That's the part that matters to me :)
It's so funny, foreigners always talk about "bicycle highways".
I have never heard any dutch person say that. It's just an ordinary bicycle path in my book.
Yes, very funny.
Because it's not an ordinary bicycle path.
@@plofkraak6536
Correct! It is not.
The entire route from one city to the other is checked, where possible the route gets priority, if impossible, the situation is made safe with good warnings and signs.
Surface and pavement have to be good everywhere.
Problems solved over the entire stretch.
Only then it can be a bicycle highway.
And of course many parts of it are ordinary pieces of bicycle path that do not need any upgrade. Those parts were 1st class already.
In the easy part of the The Netherlands there is another fast cycle route. Soms parts are not finished, bit you should go there. It's the F35
@@xenzgoul8319 the part beween Vriezenveen and Almelo is also almost finished
1:23 that's one way to cycle faster
7:07 expensive fuel - like in the UK in 2012 and 2013
Sadly those gas prices are now super cheap, basicaly so cheap that no gas station has those prices, now the minimum is €1,73 per litter.
"7:07 expensive fuel - like in the UK in 2012 and 2013"
That comment is ageing well.
Heh, that fuel was cheap back then... Prices start with a 2 more often than not these days.
@@stefangrobbink7760 the war in Ukraine has really hiked up the prices.
Where can I find a list or map of all the fast cycle routes in the country?
That is a bicycle highway, not the painted crap in London.🤣
I remember the cycle paths around Hertogenbosch. I worked in Waalwijk and lived for 4 years in Hertogenbosch. There scenery in North-Brabant is beautiful. But I do not like this part from Tilburg to Waalwijk so much you showed us. The infrastructure is oké, but not beautiful scenery. It is like a highway for bicycles, nothing to enjoy. Your vlog gives a good impression. 20 years ago the bicycle path where you stopped this vlog was really nice, along the water and trees direction Hertogenbosch. I hope they let it stay the way it used to be. But I also remember that every direction you went from Hertogenbosch it could be beautiful. Crossing the river to Zaltbommel, to the east, to the south, to the west, it was all different and very nice. I had a recumbent in those days and enjoyed it very much to cycle in North-Brabant. I even formed a little group of recumbent cyclist and that where nice trips we made. To Eindhoven for example.
Two different modes of transport, the F route basically is commuter teritory not for sightseeing.
@@Paul_C No, you are right about not for sightseeing. But cycling is nice when things around you are nice, that was the reason I went to my work on my bicycle from Den Bosch to Waalwijk. If I do not enjoy the surrounding for long time I look for another way.
Is there a speed limit?
Once things get dangerous for others, there's your limit...
@15:40 This interaction shows you the biggest difference between the UK and the Netherlands - The driver sees you coming and waits for you to pass.
Even if there was a queue of traffic and nowhere for them to go, they would still have just driven straight in front of you here.
All drivers are cyclist first and foremost, born and raised.
That actually is what makes all the difference...
How and where do you fix your camera?
Efteling hotel net eventjes te zien
To see the slow cycle route click on 'settings-playback speed'
Jij bent al langer de clown hier op UA-cam, maar dat wist je al.
Daar heb je drie wiel weer! Gezellig... 😁
"fast" cycle route, still 15km/h?
That's considered pretty fast here for an average cyclist.
@@kempo_95 I guess I'm used to seeing stressed americans?
I think fast meaning not many interruptions. It had priority over other cycle paths and I only saw one stop at traffic lights.
Go as fast as you wish, buddy. Once kids or my grandmother get endangered, there's your limit. Feel free, knock yourself out.
(no need for flexing though, we all know you're the champ 😎)
Peace.
Wie heeft die haarspeldbocht op 3:45 bedacht om onder de snelweg door te rijden?
Haarspeldbocht? Ik zie op 3:45 geen haarspeldbocht. Ook geen snelweg.
@@gert-janvanderlee5307 De aansluiting richting Loonse en Drunense Duinen. Die gaat daar terug de snelweg onderdoor (waar eerder langsgereden werd)
@@tonicornelissen5429 Ik zie daar wel een onhandige T splitsing naar rechts ja. Maar dat is toch iets anders dan een haarspeldbocht. Wellicht was daar verder geen ruimte? En lag die fietstunnel daar al eerder.
@@gert-janvanderlee5307 Die T is een U het fietspad gaat weer terug langs het hek waar je net bent langs gefiest. Die fietstunnel lag er inderdaad al, maar de beslissing om het snelfietspad zo strak langs die tunnel te leggen... Waarom blijft het pad de Horst niet volgen (het oude fietspad, dat er al lag)
@@tonicornelissen5429 Nee, het nieuwe fietspad maakt daar een flauwe bocht naar links. Het pad van de fietstunnel sluit er daar via de T splitsing op aan. Dat is ook duidelijk te zien aan de markeringen op het pad. Dat oude fietspad zal niet voldaan hebben aan de strengere eisen voor zo'n fietssnelweg want waar de bestaande fietspaden wel voldoen daar worden die ook gewoon in de route opgenomen.
1:43 what!??? Is motorcycles allowed in cycle route???
That's a scooter, scooters are allowed
Those are 40 kmh motorbikes, you are can drive them from the age of 16. They are sometimes allowed on the cycle path and sometime they have to drive on the road. Typically they have to drive on the road in cities (slow car traffic). Outside the city they are typically allowed on the wider cycle paths.
What does the greenish line in the middle signify? And do the rumble strips on the edge lines work well?
I'm not sure but I think it's an extra warning that it's a two way bike lane.
The green line lights up when it's dark. It's not a lot but then it makes the line clear at night.
Nice to see bikers going at a normal speed not trying to race the clock like the speed bikers u see in the US.
Bro wut lol
the average speed is 20-25 km h
Idiots in lycra!
This is the one time where the scooters on bike infrastructure kind of makes sense. It allows 28mph scooter riders to go between cities in a way that is not really possible in a lot of places.
But with that said, they should ban the fossil ones and only allow electric scooters ASAP. And only allow them on these type of routes where you wouldn’t be able to go on the motorway.
Basically how it works already. The 28 mph ones have to go between the cars inside 'city limits', note the difference between the blue sign with a bike, and the blue sign with a bike and a moped. Sale of new 2 stroke mopeds has been banned a while now, and certain cities are banning them outright. Sale of electric assist bicycles outstrips regular ones by a wide margin.
@@AlexanderBurgers So the ones on the bike paths in cities are another type of scooter that are slower than 28mph / 50kph?
In the U.K. 28mph is the slowest type you can get. I assumed that was the case elsewhere in Europe.
@@christill Correct, the Dutch model is somewhat different from most countries around us.
The 'faster' ones here are restricted to 45 kph/28 mph and require a helmet. They're made to drive with the cars wherever speed limits are 50 (30mph) to the irritation of car drivers who start tailgating becaue they want to go slightly faster, and scooter drivers who are effectively locked out of the bike shortcuts and forced to wait in traffic with the cars. (or they just bend/ignore the rule a little and drive with the bikes and the slow scooters anyway even though they're technically not supposed to.)
The slower ones (blue licence plate, no helmet required) and pedal-assisted e-bikes without a licence plate are limited to 25 kph (15.5 mph) though often they're illegally de-restricted.
Police have a lot of work rounding up scooters/mopeds and putting them on the rolling road to verify their top speed, it's a bit of a cat&mouse game. A lot of people complain about the blue plate scooters racing around cycle paths at 30+ mph with no helmet and no regard for traffic rules, which is also my observation.
And to add to the confusion, Amsterdam decided that because the illegally souped up 15 mph scooters cause too many crashes with bikes on bike lanes that they ALL need to go with the car traffic and wear helmets. Much to the annoyance of everyone.
@@AlexanderBurgers Very interesting. It definitely seems like it’s time for a shakeup.
Cool, ik heb daar zo vaak gefietst, maar woon nu in het VK. Mooi om te zien hoe het ontwikkeld is zo.
Maar euh.... 6:50 Daar had je wel echt even echt mogen stoppen vriend. Haaientanden gelden ook voor fietsers. Niet chill om iemand te dwingen zo op de rem te stampen.
Misschien gaf de bestuurder een 'ga maar' handgebaar, niet te zien :) De auto kon namelijk toch niet doorrijden en het ging met 1 km/u
@@douwevdw Ja, zou misschien kunnen, maar dan remde dat busje wel erg laat. Laten we het maar op voordeel van de twijfel houden.
@@vleessjuu Denk dat de bestuurder van het busje er achter kwam, dat als hij niet gestopt was voor de fietser, hij het hele fietspad had afgesloten, want dat witte autootje stond nog voor hem.
Nee hoor, als ik een gebaar krijg "ga maar" dan ga ik. De bestuurder kon toch ook niet verder, want er stonden nog auto's die nog de rotonde op moesten.
@@BicycleDutch Precies zoals het soms gaat, niks aan het (gaat u maar voor) handje dus.
What kind lf motion stabilization have you used on this video?
I presume the camera was handheld as usual, and he is damned good at it...
he said in a blog post a few months ago he has a stick on the handlebars of the bicycle that he mounts his gopro to, so it is automatically pretty stable
Bit disturbing to be sharing such a route with petrol powered vehicles \m/
They aren't sharing, they are completely separated.
@@gert-janvanderlee5307 I'm referring to the mopeds /scooters \m/
@@officialmcdeath Ah, ok. I thought you meant cars. These aren't normal mopeds that drive with a maximum speed of 45 kilometers. Those have to drive on the street. Only the mopeds with a maximum speed of 25 kilometers can drive on the cycle paths.
@@gert-janvanderlee5307 yes, still a bit incongruous, I personally would be upset by having to suck on moped exhaust, even if only once in a while \m/
@@officialmcdeath it isn't ideal, but luckily electric bikes have become very popular
Why are the lane markings green?
Because green is a nice color.
If I got it right, it means that's where cyclists can go faster.
On these routes the average speed is high. The green line indicates to keep further right on the lane for low speeds to enable ample space for overtaking and thus faster cyclists.
@der Führer And though the concept was sort of good, I've seen countless very confusing exceptions to it quickly after the markings were adopted as the new standard.
There is something wrong here, which is not easy to grasp. At first you think: "Hey, a great dedicated cycle track like a highway, just what I need." But what kind of cyclists does this cycle track attract? Also motorised ones, just as you can see at the beginning, and not many pedalling cyclists. Cyclists and fast seem to contradict. Safety is great though.
Ger Hanssen I guess it'd attract those who want to have the easiest/quickest/most direct route from A to B
like for example for your every day ride to work, i'd for sure like to use this
This was filmed on a hot summer day during the Corona pandemic AND the school holidays. On 11 August 2020 it was 34.5 degrees. That is the reason it was so quiet.
First, from my experience, these type of paths would get used by all kind of cyclists, typically lots of students and commuters. But even if it would 'attract' the wrong-type-of-cyclist, is that immediately a bad thing? Racers exist, and this type of infrastructure works very well for them. If they use it, and thereby use less infrastructure on which they are even more of an annoyance, that might be a good thing. More or less the same applies for mopeds (except that a moped user might better be persuaded to convert to a different type of vehicle)
@@BicycleDutch Guess it's a good thing that temps in the Netherlands aren't that high very often unlike many parts of the world. Would spoil the Dutch-style cycling should be everywhere narrative.
@@roger0929 Hot and dry OK, just keep drinking water, hot and humid less so, but if it is shady, nice. Oz dweller.
The country with the most accumulation of boring landscapes and monotone architectures in Western-Europe.
Better not visit, then. Easy.
You're still welcome though. Have a stroopwafel, they're delicious...
@@mourlyvold7655 I was just trolling, but I really don't like the sad plain architecture and city development of the last decades. Especially the lower and middle-class neighbourhoods are really bad. Also the built-quality and construction quality-control is insufficient. Absolutely not appropriate in a rich country.
@@luxembourger All is good, brother. Not to worry.
I largely agree with you, actually. Good architecture is a rarity, and not just the esthetic side of it.
The 'rich country' argument always loses me, I'm afraid. I'm not an economist
(to say the least) but I understand that even in this country choices have to be made.
Like in this case: Should we better have spent the budget of this cycle highway on the extra costs associated with a slightly higher built-quality of the adjacent social housing? A bit of a lame example maybe, but I guess that is what it comes down to sometimes.
And of course the people we appoint to make the decisions are not neccesarily the wisest ones... (surprise, surprise) Greetings.
@@luxembourger One more thing, I couldn't help myself:
A good example is Houten, south of Utrecht. A middle sized new town around a small old centre, with a lot of greenery imbedded and an amazingly well ballanced bicycle- and traffic infrastructure. Super child friendly too. They really did a good job.
And then the architecture totally sucks! (look it up). My tendency in such cases always is to study the facades for possibilities for climbing vines and pergolas, to rapidly cover them up and hide them. Not a bad idea anyway, in general...
p.s: Luxembourge has some beautifull, magical places in the Ardennes. Great for hiking and biking. I understand the dutch landscapes are not very exhilarating in comparison. Try visiting the Wadden in the north for totally different but awe inspiring land- and waterscapes