One part of me is sad because NJs clearly have been groomed by her but then again HYBE has done nothing to show them that they actually have their best interest. In fact they show the opposite. It’s no wonder they don’t feel comfortable without MHJ around. I don’t see them pulling out of this without getting blacklisted
Do you understand that the fact they were groomed means they have a twisted perception of a lot of things? Hybe is trying to put their career on order, they showered them with money, they allowed them a privilege and luxury life style when they have yet to win the money for it. And now they are trying to savage their career from them. Actually the fact they have been public about their refusal to work under the new managment give me the impression many small problems have already arised so no one has any confidence on anyone, given their own behaivour most probably they did not tell them because Hybe was afraid of this exactly and because they have nothing to do with it. The problem here is the best for them right now is to leave behind that women, make sure they keep their work, make sure they learn how the real world works, maken sure they experiment it, they learn to stand on their own feets, they learn how to gain back all their privileges. And that is not what they want, most of the time, what we need it is not what we want and it is exactly what we do not want to do. They are trowing a tantrum, if Hybe had their best interest in mind, they will force to keep working till they end of their contract, they will force them to paid for all that video will cost them, they will force them into theraphy and they will force them to learn how the world works so when their contract ends they can leave Hybe and go their merry way on their own accord with a lot more healthy mindset. I feel compasion for them but what they need is not a soft hand that keep spoiling and showering them with all they want but a hard hand that force them to do what they need to do in order to still have a job after they have just blow their whole career.
@@belaytriks Umm ok I DO understand how grooming works thank you, but reading your comment I’m not sure you do. I know their perspective is shifted. Hence why I said HYBE isn’t doing themselves any favors with how they’re acting. New Jeans sees them as the bad guys. Instead of moving in secret HYBE should’ve rebuilt that trust between them cause all the girls know is the MHJ version of the story. HYBE doing things behind their back (although it’s fine from a business standpoint) is only cementing the girls previous sentiment about HYBE potentially getting rid of them. They don’t believe that what HYBE is doing is for their benefit. As seen in their livestream they see it as HYBE taking down their videos in an attempt to erase them. NJs has been involved since the beginning so it’s too far down the line for HYBE to not continue to involve them. They should have been transparent from the start and let them know about the future of their career and label. Having them find out through the news has done NO favors for anyone. You guys are so ready to throw the book at NJs despite acknowledging that they’ve been groomed. It’s frustrating to see them constantly praise MHJ and it sickens me honestly but the way HYBE is publicly handling it is just not right. Forcing them to do anything WITHOUT following it up with a deep conversation about why she’s been removed and why what they’ve been through is not ok isn’t suddenly going to make NJs realize “Oh MHJ is a terrible person.” Especially with other industry personnel chiming in (which they really shouldn’t) and further reinstating to NJs that they’re in the right and MHJ is a victim. They don’t see what they’re doing is wrong NONE of the adults around them are helping clarify that to them. The current strategy HYBE is using (which is going in by force) clearly isn’t working. With them viewing MHJ as their only safe adult in the building and receiving praise from outsiders about their actions, NJs need to have an actual conversation with HYBE so they can deconstruct all the conditioning MHJ has done over the past 3-4 years because you can’t just force beliefs out of a person like that. Every time I see this “they need harsh reinforcement” take I realize that you people don’t even understand how psychology works. Especially when it involves minors(yes 3/5 are adults now but they’ve been working with MHJ since they were 13-15). They ARE receiving harsh reinforcement by HYBE and all it’s doing is giving NJs more public support and sympathy and strengthening their relationship with MHJ. It’s not going to help them it’s going to hurt them.
@@theonlyreallovelyzstan Perfectly said. Would any of these people trust Hybe if their private medical records and old trainee videos got leaked to Dispatch, Hybe staff told their idol peers to ignore them to their face, evidence of Hybe employees 💩 talking them behind their back is leaked, behind the scenes videos of their group’s work were scrubbed from the internet, and the team they’ve been working with for 5-7 years suddenly get fired??? Everyone wants the girls to see that they’re being manipulated by MHJ, but nobody wants to put in the work to actually be empathetic, help create a safe and healthy work environment, and take these girls to therapy. It’s ridiculous.
Funny cause people call it mistreatment when an idol gets an ugly outfit and less lines in a song, but somehow idols being isolated in their own company isn’t mistreatment, idols being called liars by their new ceo isn’t mistreatment, idols having staff write insults about them isn’t mistreatment, idols having company staff basically calling them s*xual objects is not mistreatment…this is why i can’t take kpop stans seriously 😂
We see actual idols and celebrities being on nj side because they know what mistreatment is like and how it feels to be ignored, but of course you have jessica from new jersey telling you that she knows better and people who are in the industry are actually wrong 💀
I understand how they see mhj as someone valuable to the group and group image. ngl one of newjeans' attractive point as the group is their group concept. Do people will still like them if they're just any other girl group there ? that's what happens if a group isn't self-producing or they don't have any creative freedom
Sometimes I think how MhJ can easily manipulate new jeans' parents and new jeans, and then I see bunnies, it perfectly makes sense. The emotional blackmail is always effective. The thing is that Mhj was the first person to say that other groups under Hybe will not engage with Newjeans. Why didn't the members make a live back then? Was it not mistreatment? I can't even get angry on newjeans when they are so heavily manipulated. Mhj is really a cunning woman. She is just using the support of New Jeans fans to regain her ceo position .
It's not mistreatment if groups don't engage with them, and it's not mistreatment if a manager told their group to ignore hanni, it's not mistreatment but it's just sad and i can understand why newjeans are now wanting to speak up. You can disagree with min heejin and with some of the things newjeans have said, but you can't deny that some of the concerns they raised is pretty valid, first and foremost the leak of personal information that hybe did nothing to prevent, matter of factly that content is still circulating. Min heejin sucks and she is doing everything she can to regain the ceo position, but this doesn't mean hybe is an angel-like company. Some of you really only see things as black or white and are unable to understand that multiple things can be true at the same time.
@@soft4taeng Hybe is far from a better company, but they are actually not wrong here if you look at everything since the dispute. Mhj leaked personal information. Every problem that new jeans are facing is because of Mhj, and Hybe has removed Mhj from her CEO position. They have sued her. What else can they do? You can say they shouldn't have hired her, but that's business. No one might have thought that she could go that far with black magic, SA cases, etc. We don't know how much information New Jeans has regarding Mhj. i doubt they would listen to other people in the company
@@soft4taeng Everything that has happened is Min Heejin's fault. She was the one who called idols' names not Hybe. She was the one who involved New Jeans and manipulated them as well as the general audience. Additionally, New Jeans are in no position to make demands, they are a rookie group and their tone was rude. The mistreatment they were talking about wasn't even mistreatment. They aren't being physically, emotionally and mentally abused by anyone. They are getting paid, has lots of promotions and activities, attend award shows etc. and are one of the most privileged idols out there. They weren't making a request, they were demanding. Also their demand was primarily for Min Heejin to come back not for themselves. If they requested that Hybe protect them from all the drama that has been happening and wish or better management then they would've had my empathy. But telling their company to stay in their lane and demanding Min Heejin to be reinstated and gave Hybe an ultimatum is where I had to draw the line. What they did was illogical and stupid. Min Heejin cannot be reinstated as CEO and New Jeans wanting her back made them look foolish as they are ignoring all the things she had done especially to other Hybe groups. No matter how naive they are, they chose to post that video so they have to face the consequences and consequences with no age limit. We have to be realistic here. You can feel sorry for them all you want, however that doesn't dismiss the fact that they need a slap of reality. The working world is brutal and complaining about things that normally happen in the working world made them come off as entitled brats, not saying that they are because they are young and have limited experience. The adults, who re supposed to protect and prepare them failed them and their parents are despicable. What parent would allow their child to get involved in drama that doesn't include them instead of protecting them? Hybe isn't innocent, we all acknowledge that, it's just that New Jeans are in the wrong for posting that video. Wanting the best for yourself is not a crime and idols should be able to speak out. In this situation, New Jeans have no business demanding a CEO who was removed for a valid reason to be reinstated and crying about mistreatment because Min Heejin is gone. That's why everyone has a problem with them, not because they can't understand or ignore their cries. Their cries makes no sense. It doesn't even help that Idols their age aren't making these foolish moves. Sorry if this was all over the place.
I’ve seen people claiming newjeans can’t possibly be mistreated cause they get good promotions and tons of brand deals. First of all we know it’s brands that have reached out to them to work with them and second of all, mistreatment can also come in the form of psychological abuse and neglect, so them having brand deals doesn’t mean everything is going well behind the scenes. For example someone could psychologically abuse their partner and still shower them with gifts, still it doesn’t mean there’s no abuse happening.
I tried to empathize with them but I cant, all their success came from being part of HYBE, if it was any other group outside of the big 4 they would be in a worse position than they are now, the way I see it, if its Hybe who has led them to success they can be free to do whatever they want with the group. If the members are so desperate then they can always break away from the contract and maybe Mhj can financially back the contract violation fee since she is so supportive. These girls are still in a good position in the company, they are still doing performances, endorsements, and fashion weeks. This was a stupid move on their side and will only anger the current management more.
people are praising New Jeans for calling out "mistreatment" in that live stream. They weren’t really doing that-they were trying to bring back Min Hee-jin, That stream felt like a desperate love letter to Min Hee-jin, ignoring how she reportedly insulted them behind closed doors, her history of manipulation and disrespect. Telling HYBE, who owns 80% of their group, to rehire her or else what? That's career suicide. HYBE won’t bow to a group. Being ignored isn’t the worst thing, honestly. Sure, the adults are acting immature, but is that really something worth complaining about? in a live stream? Shady behaviour is very common in literally every profession. If New Jeans keep pushing, they’re risking everything. Without HYBE, they'd fade into obscurity. This is a game they can't win, and if they don't back down, it's over.
Not a defense of HYBE buy maybe the new execs aren't "greeting" them as warmly as MHJ has done because of NJ's bias? Like they said they knew of her firing from the media. Of course, negative feelings have been festering for months, then you add firewood to the flame. Add to that how the new execs are not familliar with the work given to them (production, choosing of songs, esp. The title tracks, costume, storyline...). They also have to worry about the upcoming NJ tour which would probably be delayed or scrapped. If I was suddenly flung into a job I wasn't prepared for I'd try to be composed but another possibility is I'd have less patience for things that are "not urgent" due to stress. Mind you, being a creative director, CEO, etc. Is not something you can just wing. It comes with responsibikities and VERY PUBLIC repurcussions. (Hybe deserves this too for how shallow their decisions are. I do understand the need for MHJ out). As deranged as she is, MHJ is hands on with her creative pursuits and the inexperienced execs is busy doing damage control on top of planning how to keep ador afloat. Y'know what? Maybe they should dissolve ador and absorb the employees and NJ into either SoMu and Belift. At least the people there already know the works.
minheejin is right I'll it is a pure copy of newjeans and aren't even talented only one illit member can be in newjeans& it's the girl who sings well minju
Just because shady behavior is common in the industry it doesn’t mean you can justify grown adults for being shady towards the members, as much as you can’t justify the staff insulting their own artists like jungkook for simply supporting these young girls. And also it’s you people that are making that whole live about min heejin. Yes it’s true that newjeans’ ultimate request was to bring her back, but that’s not the only thing they talked about. You’re just cherry picking what to focus on while brushing off all the other concerns they raised.
All that want is having MHJ back, so they had to think of any little things, some without proofs to defame HYBE. How conveniently HYBE has found proofs that MHJ has been plotting to go independent and steal NJ away frome HYBE. MHJ will not be reinstated. NJ is risking ending their careers for this woman.
I think it was fair of HYBE to not tell the NJ members of what was going on behind the scenes. They are obviously so enmeshed with MHJ that they would probably just tell her anything that HYBE told them.
Yes but you would assume that by the time hybe told min heejin she was dismissed, that they could have at least let the girls know instead of waiting for them to find out from the news
they know they’re close w/ her the least they could’ve done was sit them down and tell them what was going to happen. If they really cared about their feelings that’s what they would’ve done.
@@yoonized970Usually the owner or the company do not ask the employees if they want to keep the boss that is betraying the owners and spending the company money in giving luxury presents to the employees.
This is what happen when parents are going thru divorce and the children try to be the hero, wanting dad and mom together again, without knowing how broken the marriage is.
The manager telling ILLIT to ignore Hanni isn't evil, let's not exaggerate pls. Unprofessional? Absolutely, but in the heat of the moment not everyone is quite so tactful when not only protecting your group of idols, but likely your job as well. Say some bit of info that didn't seem that important was said in front of Hanni and she repeated it because it also didn't seem that important to her. But, it ends up being used maliciously by MHJ in some way. Not only would the manager feel guilty for putting ILLIT and HYBE in a weak position, their job would be on the line. As hurtful as the situation was, Hanni is old enough to understand why it happened. There are ways to counteract these situations, but what NewJeans chose to do was possibly the worst option. It's like they feel entitled to require some feelings of trust towards HYBE employees or groups, but not put in the work to regain their trust. In fact, actually doing the very thing to demolish any hope that others can trust them until MHJ is truly gone. If they stay on and MHJ is booted entirely, I think they'll naturally gain trust somewhere within the company, tho. They can't stay isolated forever once MHJ is gone.
If Hanni brought this up, then it means it DID feel important to her. Imagine being somewhere like at school or at work and hearing people straight up telling others to ignore you. That just hurts, even if like you said you are old enough to understand why it's happening, no matter how much you try to deny it. Also i promise you the manager's job would have not been on the line for simply letting Hanni and Illit greet each other normally, matter of factly they had already done that before. It's not like they were acting like besties around each other, it was a simple greeting. When you're at work you even greet colleagues that you don't like because that's called being professional, so it's ironic seeing that a bunch of young girls are being more professional than a grown up manager. I feel like it's also important to remind you that Hanni never mentioned what group it was and this time it wasn't min heejin that name dropped illit (unlike what she did in her press conference) so she's not the one that used this situation maliciously.
If I know everything that I say to NJ members can be misinterpreted and used against myself, my group or the company, I would ignore the members to…because of MHJ actions, everyone in the company Hybe and subsidiary companies are walking on eggs shells, that can lead to not talking to the girls…I would do just the same, damned if you do damned if you don’t, thanks for nothing MHJ.
@soft4taeng It's important to remember that according to Hanni or iginally that she and "that group" had already greeted each other in passing around 10 mins previously. You also only have what she says about the situation. Why was she left alone in that one bit of hallway alone for so long instead of another member joining her or staying in the room with her members? They're not TripleS. They were getting all their makeup done at the same time. Also, with how the whole video sounded very MHJ conference coded I highly doubt it was how much it affected Hanni. Instead, I find it likely that it was specfically pulled out to pull on heartstrings. Like MHJ's scruffy outfit at her own press conference.
@@moonaestheticly8597 you might be reading too much into it. I don't find it weird that she crossed paths with them when she was alone, for all you know she could have gone to the bathroom with another member and was waiting for her outside in the corridor (?) or she might have just been standing there cause she finished getting the makeup early and didn't feel like waiting in the room full of staff working (?) like, i don't know there could be millions of reasons she was there alone for a few minutes. What's iffy is that that specific part of the cctv videos magically disappeared and when hanni asked the guy in charge of monitoring cctv to be able to check, he didn't let her...like idk that's just weird. But even if hanni said it to pull at people's heartstrings, that still doesn't mean it can't be true. It's actually not hard to think that amidst the drama the manager could have told his group to ignore her...
@soft4taeng The CCTV thing isn't particularly weird. Every place I've worked that had CCTV deleted footage once it reached so many days (usually 20-35) old. It was only ever saved if there was a complaint formally lodged that required CCTV footage to fact check. If Hanni or her parents/manager did not file a formal complaint in the allotted time span (I believe 30 days) then the CCTV footage would not have been kept. It takes up too much storage space because its a 24/7 recording basically everywhere in the HYBE building
Ik they are young and manipulated but let's be real ,this isn't a game world. It's real life. They could face the consequences for it. It hurts to see them like this but at the end of the day they choose their future. Both HYBE and mhj are shit. If they still choose mhj over everything, it will all be in vain. Manipulation doesn't excuse their unprofessional behaviour(Mainly the live). The adults have destroyed their brains. But that doesn't allow them to not face the consequences regardless of their age. It's the same for everyone on this earth. The more u fck around, the more u find out. Unfortunately when they'll realise this, it will be too late. You can't save someone who doesn't wanna be saved, even if they're manipulated :( but i hope the best for them though
Armys are busy blindly defending hybe, meanwhile hybe employees are busy insulting jungkook and calling him stupid for supporting newjeans…the irony of it all
My biggest issues with the way this "impromptu" livestream was done is how everything is about MHJ, not the girls themselves but everypoint cicles round to MHJ and the way the girls are incredibly disrespectful (in korean) to their current bosses, particularly Hyein. It's in the subtext of the word choices. (like "Oh! You're wearing that outfit?" nicely cause you think it looks good vs "Oh? You're going to wear *that*?" disgust plain on your face and in your voice cause you don't have any respect for the other) About the ignoring...At the end of the day the responsibility of the girls' mental wellbeing mostly relies on themselves, their parents, and their manager. The new CEO is not responsible for Hanni feeling hurt that a manager told a group to ignore her, especially with no evidence, and we need to bear in mind that it isn't the full story we're getting. Hanni could have said something, or it could have been a group/group member who got more hate due to MHJ actions. Yeah, I wouldn't want my group involved in the dumpster fire either. Another point is that MHJ was given the option of taking the creative director role for NWJNs but said no because she wouldn't have full control...Hybe isn't required to involve NWJNs in the decision making and honestly? Until the girls have proven beyond doubt that they can act independently of MJH and not for her Hybe should keep them in the dark where it involves MHJ. Anywhere else? Consistently supporting your old boss who was fired for completely fair reasons will get you fired. I've run out of sympathy for the girls, as long as they blindly support MHJ without stopping to fact check (which at least 4 of them are old enough to do) I refuse to support them.
Also the personal records were leaked by MHJ and her team so...there's that Also isn't the common saying "the internet is forever"? Hybe quite literally can't remove their information and videos from the internet. It's why "revenge porn" videos/photos need to be taken more seriously. A singular video was asked to be taken down due to the fact that it showed scenes of ETA that didn't give the right image of Apple because it was all meant to be filmed by an iphone, so any teenager could do it with enough friends and cool costumes. He privated all the others and has since undone that action.
What gets me is that this entire debacle seems so unnecessary. I understand that NewJeans want to follow under MHJ’s artistic direction, but her mismanagement plays a big part in why this whole situation has unfolded in the first place. The adults that they’re surrounded with clearly cannot be trusted. However, I do think that NewJeans has every right to make a statement. This is super pertinent right now when they are being purposefully left out of the decision making process even though said decisions will directly affect their careers.
The problem with people "supporting" New Jeans is they also support Min Hee Jin. People don't understand that they should support NJ and NJ only. MHJ is manipulating and grooming these young girls in front of our eyes but Tokkis still stay on MHJ side. NJ sees MHJ as their "savior" "mother" because she's manipulated them for years now, so NJ being this attached to MHJ does not mean that their views are right and that MHJ is kind. Everyone should be concerned for the girls but people are turning this as NJ vs HYBE when in the first place, it should've been and always been MHJ vs HYBE and HYBE has made that clear on that part, at least during the first few months. This is honestly an annoying and frustrating issue. MHJ made it personal, attacking any and every idol under HYBE and using the NJ members to save her face and to get the people to pity her. with media coverage and annoying press conferences. HYBE took the professional approach, providing documents and taking everything to court but people still hated on HYBE because MHJ tactic worked. Then NJ publicly, multiple times, showed their support for MHJ. There is no way that in some way HYBE would not take this personally. MHJ started to take it personally, taking NJ with her and HYBE responded personally and it's so crazy to me that HYBE gave and did 50% of what MHJ was doing but HYBE is evil for it. I'm in no way trying to portray that HYBE is a great company but 90% of these wouldn't have happened if MHJ never went on her manipulated spree.
Exactly omg. Hybe is definitely shitty but let's not have a black and white mentality that mhj=good, hybe=bad. newjeans members need a time off of all this, theyre children
As said as it is, imo if njs didnt mention mhj as much as they do, theyd have more support. Because the girls cant see themselves without her, ppl hate mhj and mhj acts like the 6th member of the group.
It’s truly sad and disheartening to see an idol group try to plead for help because this was there last option and all the netizens wanna say it that they don’t deserve to say how they feel because their too privileged…like fans wanna say the kpop industry are the problem but that’s not true, the fans are truly the reason why kpop is the way it is. It’s sad how people are actually gaslighting the girls to shut their mouths as if they’re not allowed to feel hurt. I’m truly starting to hate kpop because of the fans bro…
They were not pleading for help. They were demanding for the return of their grooming gaslighter or else. Following in the footsteps of the 3 backstabbers from 50 50 into career oblivion.
Newjeans: talking about being ignored by hybe managers, talking about not being believed by their new ceo, talking about their content being infringed and hybe’s lack of protection when it comes to personal info being leaked Hybe stans: b-but min heejin👺 Like stfu the girls have brought up so many points and expressed valid concerns and all those people can talk about is min heejin being trash…yes she sucks and? Does that make Newjeans unworthy of being treated fairly?
also worth mentioning that they voiced concern for the employees too bc they can see the toll it’s taking on them. But no for Hybe stans everything has to be about mhj
No one in this world is treated fairly. No shade but what valid concerns? I think every point they have brought up has been debunked in one way or another. I agree they should be judged by their words and actions but they insist on incorporating MHJ, so it is impossible for people to view them on their own merit. They won’t separate from her. Which is problematic.
@@R2Mw19 Your response just proves the toxic mindset of many fans. Just because mistreatment is common doesn’t mean it should be normalized. The fact that some people think this way is shocking. This mentality is why idols retire early or suffer emotionally. Also, the "debunking" of points against MHJ is invalid because it comes from biased HYBE fans. MHJ was the only one truly looking out for NewJeans since their trainee days, unlike the current CEO who has done nothing. MHJ broke her contract to defend the group, which says a lot. Maybe she went too far, but it’s better than doing nothing. The issue isn’t the group’s “odd” relationship with MHJ; it's that HYBE isn’t listening to the girls' concerns. People are gaslighting them, saying they’re too privileged to complain or that their relationship is too off, while ignoring similar situations that could happen to other groups, like Zico with Boynextdoor. It’s disappointing that people don’t see the bigger picture. Cuz yall are too hung up on the idea of them and not the reason behind their feelings.
@@lilithyolanda9851 Well, I see your passion. The underlying point is MHJ is a narcissistic sociopath as exhibited by her words and actions. Nj are victims of this as exhibited by their words and actions. The rest is just your gibberish to seem righteous. You appear desperate not convinced.
No matter what happens, NewJeans have most of the industry on their side, it’s only hybe and their crazy stans that are against them. People who have actually experienced hardships are supporting them, people with a good heart are standing up for them. Brands still want to work with them and they’re sending positive messages to the girls, the general public is still in love with NewJeans and their music. People are finally waking up to hybe’s way of manipulating the news and i have faith the future can still be bright for the girls 💪
@@ivyfall-e3h good luck to them then I bet these people who are supporting These gurls in the industry won’t invest I’m pretty sure no one wants to be stabbed in the back..HYBE has been too nice any other company would fired them long ago Samsung or Lotte would not waste their time and tolerate that
to the contrary....people who have suffered hardship will see NJ girls doing an entitlement whining. The people who supported NJ girls are people who're too young, or never experienced real work setting.
people were fantasizing about nwjns getting emotionally abused by min heejin for years and when it turns out the abuse actually happened (but it came from hybe) they've suddenly turned against them and this is hypocrisy at its peak
@@RazgrizDavion81 You're clearly minimizing what it actually means to actively be isolated from your peers and staff at the company. This is just gonna make things worse as it will create a hostile environment for everyone, not newjeans alone. Then how convenient to leave out everything else the girls have talked about and reducing all of their complaints to simply "they didn't greet me back so now i'm sad" you people are ridiculous and lack human compassion for real
@@soph3n0t Nah what NJ experiencing is normal in working environment. Their issue is that they're so used to being pampered by MHJ that any standard treatment look like mistreatment for them. And lastly if you analyzed the video, NJ girls were not even focusing on their mistreatment and asking from improvement. That would gain them sympathy from public. Afterall speaking out when you're being mistreated is fine course of action. No one dispute this. But instead, NJ girls used the mistreatment issue to DEMAND the corporation to bring back MHJ so that thing will be the same as before. Asking for improvement of condition due to mistreatment is very different that asking for things to return the way they are. Added cherry on top, they give ultimatum to the corporation by giving deadlines. That's not how want to negotiate in good faith. So, in this case, NJ girls are literally digging their own grave. I just hope they have something up their sleeve on September 25th. Otherwise, their dumb/naive/probably manipulated move on september 11th, will really become more stupid and more pathetic.
@@soph3n0t for your kind information ALL THIS MANAGER SAYING ILLIT TO IGNORE THEM HAPPENED WHEN MIN HEE JIN WAS THERE AS CEO WHY DIDN'T GIRLS COMPLAIN ABOUT THIS BACK THEN...
@@soph3n0t fantasizing abuse😭, you people are delusional like of all the people why would you worship newjeans fairygod mother mhj . Are you actually unaware of her doing or you are one of her shaman.
Here's the thing: mhj can be good at her job and have a good idea and experience on how to successfully establish a group, but she could also be emotionally too close to her group. If an adult is working with minors, it is the adult's responsibility to ensure a proper working relationship and not taking advantage of younger peers looking up to them. If they had a normal professional relationship, the nj girls would not have this set belief that they are "nothing" without mhj. No artist should have such an attachment to their creative director and it's the adult's job to ensure boundaries are not crossed. Hybe definitely should have managed the ceo change better and mhj should not have begun open firing at various groups in front of the media. If they had handled this behind the scenes like proper adults should have, then informed njs about the changes before publicly announcing, things would have gotten a lot smoother. Also, the manager who told their group to ignore hanni: was that unprofessional? Ya. Did the woman njs very publicly support start a hate train against a lot of their subsidiary groups? Also yes. Honestly besides whatever "isolating" hybe was doing, it seems like mhj is also responsible for keeping njs as uninvolved with the other hybe groups as possible amd creating unnecessary competition and tension btw them
Since I can read Korean, I see a world of difference between the Korean and non-Korean fandoms about what they think of Min Hee-Jean (obviously, there will exceptions and shades of grey to this generalization). But dream on, if you think New Jeans is going to stab Min Hee-Jean in the back. MHJ is not just some random ho off the streets who got bored one day and hypnotized NJ. She's widely acknowledged as a K-pop industry leader by no less a person than Lee Sooman during her tenure at SM - heavily involved in the creative process of SNSD, Fx, Red Velvet, and Exo. Why do you think Bang Si-Hyuk/Hybe recruited MHJ from SM? After Bang's failure with Glam, he turned to her expertise, but they had strong disagreement in their artistic vision and direction. Bang promised Min creative latitude and independence in the New Jean project with title of first BTS sister-group, but due to the creative differences spilling over to bad blood, Bang used the pandemic to put the NJ project on hold and launched his parallel project, stealing the thunder and attention initially. If Min hadn't carved out Ador as an semi-independent sublabel saddled with Bang's negative expectations for the NJ project's failure, New Jeans would not have taken off. And boy, did New Jeans smash the charts without teasers or fanfare. Funny thing is that all these events are common knowledge among the Korean fans and the commentariat, the K-pop artists and creatives are pretty much on MHJ's side. So are her pupils from SM, and most importantly, the New Jeans members are the most cognizant of her pivotal role. At this point, Hybe wants to choke off and memory-hole NJ, and I can't help to think that a good number of you may be deliberately or unknowingly playing the role of corporate shills. These NJ girls aren't stupid, brainwashed, or naive. They know who their friends and enemies are in Hybe. I don't think BTS Junggook was throwing shade at MHJ. Plus, BTS Taehyung V was positive about working with MHJ as an artist.
Newjeans talked about many concerning things in their live but somehow y’all make everything about min heejin. How convenient it is to think she’s the only problem while completely ignoring all that hybe has done to manipulate the public opinion.
Hybe turning this into lawsuit(s) will ultimately kill any idols or teens from auditioning for Hybe. They don't see the long game do they.... When your Artist is bigger than your Agency. Its Black Pink vs YG. No offence to YG... I would rather spend my time and money on Black Pink. No one cares about YG and no one will care of Hybe after their treatment of NWJ.
@@jerrylee3887this is another level of nonsense, not even bts but newjeans. Newjeans are not even top money makers in hybe and comparing them to blackpink is crime. Stop being delusional.
@@XinQueen-wq7lu How are they suffering? Where is the evidence? Hanni crying about being ignored? That's not mistreatment. When idols cry about mistreatment and gave examples of how they were abused physically, emotionally, mentally and neglected fans rushed to their side. They were able to provide evidence of mistreatment from their company. New Jeans on the other hand, are complaining about things that normally happen anywhere. So I should create a UA-cam video and whine that I'm being mistreated because someone ignored me? You want to know what people would say about me? They would say I have no backbone, I'm too soft and that I can't handle the real world. Everyone in the world has to have thick skin because the world is cruel. What are they going to do if they leave that company only to face the same exact thing in another company? Are they going to complain as well?
@@alanaatkinson551Hanni was not only ignored, the person used a koran term that's purposely condescending and cruel, it was more than a simple "ignore her"
@@alanaatkinson551 well said, I like NJ girls, but this is the first thing that pop out in my mind when I watched their "emergency video". They're not ready for the real world yet and need serious counseling from professional therapy.
@@bornarose11 so, its not like the other manager telling hanni to stay way, the manager is telling the idols he/she managed to ignore hanni. Big deal...just smile and move on. This thing happen a lot in daily life at corporation.
Armys spent months trash talking nwjns just for their fave Jungkook to openly support them and saying artists are not guilty. See when celebrities like him are actual good hearted and empathetic people? I’m just sorry he is stuck with a fandom that is so proudly vicious and violent towards young women and totally goes against the positive message that bts has been trying to spread for years!
I'm sorry...but we Army's have been busy streaming, standing up against antis and kmedia spreading false media about Yoongi. We've been too busy to really get deep in. Like is always say. You guys are attacking the entire universe except the people who are wrong. Don't be afraid to tell nj you guys messed up. Idols sometimes listen to their fans if they're right. But y'all are like bringing the entire BTS Army's in for a quarter of the fans isn't fair. And when army's react with that same energy it's bullying. But there were some hectic comments 😂.focus on actively supporting your favs, stream stream and stream some more. Because realistically there numbers are low. They lost alot of support. So help new Jeans actively because this ain't it. 💟💜
Not y'all acting like you didn't start smear campaigns against BTS members and now when one Jungkook supports them, y'all support him too. It's very pathetic to try and hide behind the fire y'all created and then blame it on Army's. We ain't having none of your shit neither will your faves fans. Stop talking about topics that are diverted from this situation. Support nwjns, that's what matters. We Army's can also put examples of the whole kpop fandoms hating & trying to end BTS but blaming each other won't do anything. Just support the girls and keep Jungkook's name out of your filthy mouth.
Blah blah blah... Armys are this, Armys are that. You probably have no idea all the shitty things their fandom did to our boys bud. Armys trash talking is nothing compared to what New Jeans deranged fandom gives to Yoongi. And what do you mean by spending months hating them? Bud, we are busy defending Yoongi against Kmedia and antis who are demanding him. If Armys trash talking new jeans, it's nothing compared to what their fandom did. New Jeans fans literally joined blinks in a fake challenge to mock Yoongi's incident and they joined GC to hate BTS. AND LASTLY, New Jeans deranged fandom are the one who sent funeral flower wreaths to Yoongi. See, that's how disgusting and deranged new Jeans fans can be.
MHJ stated she knew about the live….they have parents , lawyers, and MHJ and to me complaining about people not saying hello to you after your beloved CEO whom you support and want reinstated said maligning statements about HYBE group’s is not something to whine about
It’s not just people not saying hello to you, it’s actively isolating these girls from everyone else in the company. Not to mention all the negative comments that hybe staff employees have made online about newjeans. You’re really just minimizing the situation because that’s what fits your narrative and it’s pathetic.
I feel that it is pathetic that they are being used by MHJ. This was her fight, she was suspected by HYBE of trying to hurt HYBE in order to get money and start her own label with New Jeans and she is being investigated, nothing to do with New Jeans. She brought them into the mix at the press conference as well as a lot of other plagiarism claims about other groups. New Jeans has every right to support her as it seems she treated them well[aside from the disparaging remarks we saw in her texts]. As to the employees I guess they have the same right to react to the situation as they see it, maybe they are just steering clear of a very complicated business situation that will be settled in court
I just have to laugh, that’s not how it works. You can’t just get somebody to terminate their contract with a company 😭 there’s objectively nothing the parents can do now
Nobody in newjeans has the amount of money it would cost to terminate the contract so they won’t be able to do it unless they sue hybe and win, so don’t be absurd. There’s nothing the parents can do and it’s funny how when the parents did speak up about newjeans’ horrible living conditions in the dorms back when they were source music trainees y’all called the parents entitled for complaining so…
lol i think ppl are not understanding them when they say mhj is integral for their group its not because they are nothing without her but its because mhj is the only person they can trust working under hybe they know that whoever they replace her with is gonna be working against them like we all know hybe don't like their groups when "hitman" is not written in the credits everyone saying MHJ is using them but they're using her the same way they are living their best life under her clearly they know more what best for their life they rather end their career than continue working as hybe dolls
Firstly, it is easy to claim mistreatment when NJ has been living a life of princesses, having everyone listen to every word you say, do everything you say and then being treated like everyone else. That is not mistreatment.
secondly - If HYBE is so horrible (per MHJ and NJ), then why are both parties so eager to go back to HYBE? MHJ and NJ just wants HYBE money, resources and influence without obeying or working under HYBE's corporate rules and structure
Having big company privilege doesn't mean there cannot be mistreatment. Having brand deals and high budget MVs doesn't mean there can't be abuse. Just think about how many big4 artists have talked about being neglected/ignored/overworked by their companies despite debuting with many more privileges compared to other agencies' artists. As for Hybe, the girls do not want to leave Hybe unless it's strictly necessary and it's easy to understand why. Not only some of the staff they have always worked with and they trust is still at Ador, but Hybe also owns the rights to their songs and branding, of course they don't wanna leave Hybe and they hope to solve the issue without having to take legal actions. As for Min Heejin, she clearly doesn't wanna leave Hybe because her group is still under the company. She doesn't wanna let go of her "creation" (newjeans), regardless of whether her attachment to newjeans comes from a place of real love or just plain narcissism.
Why is everybody distording their words? They never claimed to be mistreated they talked about How Staff and Hybe Workers isolated them from other groups, as artists it's normal to want to share their work. They did not ask that we do everything they ask but that their word be taken into account and that they be able to participate in their projects as before. Just like they said, they just wanna be idols and archive their dreams not be be in the middle of ALL this conflict that could have been avoided if Hybe actually took this matter PRIVATELY on the court and didn't decided to eagerly try a "character assassination". The girls literally got their private info and videos leaked, whenever Hybe or MHJ is the problem here, in their situation HYBE decided to give them to MHJ. They decided to let her do whatever she did and they're the ones to blame to even think it was a good idea to let this women near minors despite her past. It's easier to trust the only person you know and it's human to actually prefer their past stability over this ridiculous situation even though it's clearly not the best option. This is actually how victims respond to their abusers. Y'all cannot pretend to care about idols but the moment you actually see idols in danger categorizing them as "ungrateful brats" I can't say that what they did was the best option but judging them for doing this seems unfair knowing that Hybe were AGAIN the ones who fucked up by hiring this woman in the first place
@@tonyn1628Exactly, some idols share one room, are not paid, and are being abused by their company. They also do not receive promotions and are overworked. But New Jeans act really privileged. It has only been 2 weeks since the new CEO joined, but they are already experiencing problems. The success of Newjeans was instant due to their being under Hybe. Both Mhj and Newjeans know this is why they are not leaving Hybe.
god just get a job... she's out already, hybe offered her a 2 month short term contract with the condition that they could terminate it at any time and she refused, she is fired already so stop being corny
people have such a hard time comprehending that yes illit and Lesserafim are victims BUT the hate is coming from Kpop stans and they were getting hate even before the whole MHJ issue. NewJeans on the other hand are stuck in the middle of an adult and a conglomerate fighting over them in addition to Kpop stans hating on them.
I completely support newjeans. Litr we know how toxic the industry is and the mistreatment idols have to go through to be “perfect” for their audience yet when newjeans speaks up about it, they’re shunned and called entitled Because it’s been a month since a new ceo came in place. Why does it matter how long it’s been? Do ppl want them to suffer longer and then speak up? I’m glad they took this step forward and I hope the best for their career, love u nwjns 🩷🩷
One part of me is sad because NJs clearly have been groomed by her but then again HYBE has done nothing to show them that they actually have their best interest. In fact they show the opposite. It’s no wonder they don’t feel comfortable without MHJ around. I don’t see them pulling out of this without getting blacklisted
Do you understand that the fact they were groomed means they have a twisted perception of a lot of things?
Hybe is trying to put their career on order, they showered them with money, they allowed them a privilege and luxury life style when they have yet to win the money for it. And now they are trying to savage their career from them.
Actually the fact they have been public about their refusal to work under the new managment give me the impression many small problems have already arised so no one has any confidence on anyone, given their own behaivour most probably they did not tell them because Hybe was afraid of this exactly and because they have nothing to do with it.
The problem here is the best for them right now is to leave behind that women, make sure they keep their work, make sure they learn how the real world works, maken sure they experiment it, they learn to stand on their own feets, they learn how to gain back all their privileges. And that is not what they want, most of the time, what we need it is not what we want and it is exactly what we do not want to do.
They are trowing a tantrum, if Hybe had their best interest in mind, they will force to keep working till they end of their contract, they will force them to paid for all that video will cost them, they will force them into theraphy and they will force them to learn how the world works so when their contract ends they can leave Hybe and go their merry way on their own accord with a lot more healthy mindset.
I feel compasion for them but what they need is not a soft hand that keep spoiling and showering them with all they want but a hard hand that force them to do what they need to do in order to still have a job after they have just blow their whole career.
@@belaytriks Umm ok I DO understand how grooming works thank you, but reading your comment I’m not sure you do.
I know their perspective is shifted. Hence why I said HYBE isn’t doing themselves any favors with how they’re acting. New Jeans sees them as the bad guys. Instead of moving in secret HYBE should’ve rebuilt that trust between them cause all the girls know is the MHJ version of the story.
HYBE doing things behind their back (although it’s fine from a business standpoint) is only cementing the girls previous sentiment about HYBE potentially getting rid of them. They don’t believe that what HYBE is doing is for their benefit. As seen in their livestream they see it as HYBE taking down their videos in an attempt to erase them.
NJs has been involved since the beginning so it’s too far down the line for HYBE to not continue to involve them. They should have been transparent from the start and let them know about the future of their career and label. Having them find out through the news has done NO favors for anyone.
You guys are so ready to throw the book at NJs despite acknowledging that they’ve been groomed. It’s frustrating to see them constantly praise MHJ and it sickens me honestly but the way HYBE is publicly handling it is just not right.
Forcing them to do anything WITHOUT following it up with a deep conversation about why she’s been removed and why what they’ve been through is not ok isn’t suddenly going to make NJs realize “Oh MHJ is a terrible person.” Especially with other industry personnel chiming in (which they really shouldn’t) and further reinstating to NJs that they’re in the right and MHJ is a victim. They don’t see what they’re doing is wrong NONE of the adults around them are helping clarify that to them.
The current strategy HYBE is using (which is going in by force) clearly isn’t working. With them viewing MHJ as their only safe adult in the building and receiving praise from outsiders about their actions, NJs need to have an actual conversation with HYBE so they can deconstruct all the conditioning MHJ has done over the past 3-4 years because you can’t just force beliefs out of a person like that.
Every time I see this “they need harsh reinforcement” take I realize that you people don’t even understand how psychology works. Especially when it involves minors(yes 3/5 are adults now but they’ve been working with MHJ since they were 13-15). They ARE receiving harsh reinforcement by HYBE and all it’s doing is giving NJs more public support and sympathy and strengthening their relationship with MHJ. It’s not going to help them it’s going to hurt them.
@@theonlyreallovelyzstan Perfectly said. Would any of these people trust Hybe if their private medical records and old trainee videos got leaked to Dispatch, Hybe staff told their idol peers to ignore them to their face, evidence of Hybe employees 💩 talking them behind their back is leaked, behind the scenes videos of their group’s work were scrubbed from the internet, and the team they’ve been working with for 5-7 years suddenly get fired???
Everyone wants the girls to see that they’re being manipulated by MHJ, but nobody wants to put in the work to actually be empathetic, help create a safe and healthy work environment, and take these girls to therapy. It’s ridiculous.
@@theonlyreallovelyzstan This has been the best, most nuanced take about this whole ordeal I've seen. I'm both amazed and saddened.
Funny cause people call it mistreatment when an idol gets an ugly outfit and less lines in a song, but somehow idols being isolated in their own company isn’t mistreatment, idols being called liars by their new ceo isn’t mistreatment, idols having staff write insults about them isn’t mistreatment, idols having company staff basically calling them s*xual objects is not mistreatment…this is why i can’t take kpop stans seriously 😂
We see actual idols and celebrities being on nj side because they know what mistreatment is like and how it feels to be ignored, but of course you have jessica from new jersey telling you that she knows better and people who are in the industry are actually wrong 💀
i love this omg
HELP NOT JESSICA FROM NEW JERSEY 😭😭😭😭
I understand how they see mhj as someone valuable to the group and group image.
ngl one of newjeans' attractive point as the group is their group concept. Do people will still like them if they're just any other girl group there ?
that's what happens if a group isn't self-producing or they don't have any creative freedom
Sometimes I think how MhJ can easily manipulate new jeans' parents and new jeans, and then I see bunnies, it perfectly makes sense. The emotional blackmail is always effective.
The thing is that Mhj was the first person to say that other groups under Hybe will not engage with Newjeans. Why didn't the members make a live back then? Was it not mistreatment?
I can't even get angry on newjeans when they are so heavily manipulated.
Mhj is really a cunning woman. She is just using the support of New Jeans fans to regain her ceo position .
It's not mistreatment if groups don't engage with them, and it's not mistreatment if a manager told their group to ignore hanni, it's not mistreatment but it's just sad and i can understand why newjeans are now wanting to speak up. You can disagree with min heejin and with some of the things newjeans have said, but you can't deny that some of the concerns they raised is pretty valid, first and foremost the leak of personal information that hybe did nothing to prevent, matter of factly that content is still circulating. Min heejin sucks and she is doing everything she can to regain the ceo position, but this doesn't mean hybe is an
angel-like company. Some of you really only see things as black or white and are unable to understand that multiple things can be true at the same time.
@@soft4taeng Hybe is far from a better company, but they are actually not wrong here if you look at everything since the dispute.
Mhj leaked personal information. Every problem that new jeans are facing is because of Mhj, and Hybe has removed Mhj from her CEO position. They have sued her. What else can they do? You can say they shouldn't have hired her, but that's business. No one might have thought that she could go that far with black magic, SA cases, etc.
We don't know how much information New Jeans has regarding Mhj. i doubt they would listen to other people in the company
@@soft4taeng Everything that has happened is Min Heejin's fault. She was the one who called idols' names not Hybe. She was the one who involved New Jeans and manipulated them as well as the general audience. Additionally, New Jeans are in no position to make demands, they are a rookie group and their tone was rude. The mistreatment they were talking about wasn't even mistreatment. They aren't being physically, emotionally and mentally abused by anyone. They are getting paid, has lots of promotions and activities, attend award shows etc. and are one of the most privileged idols out there. They weren't making a request, they were demanding. Also their demand was primarily for Min Heejin to come back not for themselves. If they requested that Hybe protect them from all the drama that has been happening and wish or better management then they would've had my empathy.
But telling their company to stay in their lane and demanding Min Heejin to be reinstated and gave Hybe an ultimatum is where I had to draw the line. What they did was illogical and stupid. Min Heejin cannot be reinstated as CEO and New Jeans wanting her back made them look foolish as they are ignoring all the things she had done especially to other Hybe groups. No matter how naive they are, they chose to post that video so they have to face the consequences and consequences with no age limit. We have to be realistic here. You can feel sorry for them all you want, however that doesn't dismiss the fact that they need a slap of reality. The working world is brutal and complaining about things that normally happen in the working world made them come off as entitled brats, not saying that they are because they are young and have limited experience. The adults, who re supposed to protect and prepare them failed them and their parents are despicable. What parent would allow their child to get involved in drama that doesn't include them instead of protecting them?
Hybe isn't innocent, we all acknowledge that, it's just that New Jeans are in the wrong for posting that video. Wanting the best for yourself is not a crime and idols should be able to speak out. In this situation, New Jeans have no business demanding a CEO who was removed for a valid reason to be reinstated and crying about mistreatment because Min Heejin is gone. That's why everyone has a problem with them, not because they can't understand or ignore their cries. Their cries makes no sense. It doesn't even help that Idols their age aren't making these foolish moves. Sorry if this was all over the place.
@@alanaatkinson551too well said...
Girl yapl obsessed with making a mhj the villain like I get it she not the best person but new jeans love her for a reason it's misogynistic
I’ve seen people claiming newjeans can’t possibly be mistreated cause they get good promotions and tons of brand deals.
First of all we know it’s brands that have reached out to them to work with them and second of all, mistreatment can also come in the form of psychological abuse and neglect, so them having brand deals doesn’t mean everything is going well behind the scenes. For example someone could psychologically abuse their partner and still shower them with gifts, still it doesn’t mean there’s no abuse happening.
They exhibit many indicators of abuse and MHJ exhibits behavior of and abuser.
I tried to empathize with them but I cant, all their success came from being part of HYBE, if it was any other group outside of the big 4 they would be in a worse position than they are now, the way I see it, if its Hybe who has led them to success they can be free to do whatever they want with the group. If the members are so desperate then they can always break away from the contract and maybe Mhj can financially back the contract violation fee since she is so supportive. These girls are still in a good position in the company, they are still doing performances, endorsements, and fashion weeks. This was a stupid move on their side and will only anger the current management more.
people are praising New Jeans for calling out "mistreatment" in that live stream. They weren’t really doing that-they were trying to bring back Min Hee-jin, That stream felt like a desperate love letter to Min Hee-jin, ignoring how she reportedly insulted them behind closed doors, her history of manipulation and disrespect. Telling HYBE, who owns 80% of their group, to rehire her or else what? That's career suicide. HYBE won’t bow to a group. Being ignored isn’t the worst thing, honestly. Sure, the adults are acting immature, but is that really something worth complaining about? in a live stream? Shady behaviour is very common in literally every profession. If New Jeans keep pushing, they’re risking everything. Without HYBE, they'd fade into obscurity. This is a game they can't win, and if they don't back down, it's over.
Exactly, critical thinking skills are non-existent in K-Pop.
Not a defense of HYBE buy maybe the new execs aren't "greeting" them as warmly as MHJ has done because of NJ's bias? Like they said they knew of her firing from the media. Of course, negative feelings have been festering for months, then you add firewood to the flame.
Add to that how the new execs are not familliar with the work given to them (production, choosing of songs, esp. The title tracks, costume, storyline...). They also have to worry about the upcoming NJ tour which would probably be delayed or scrapped. If I was suddenly flung into a job I wasn't prepared for I'd try to be composed but another possibility is I'd have less patience for things that are "not urgent" due to stress. Mind you, being a creative director, CEO, etc. Is not something you can just wing. It comes with responsibikities and VERY PUBLIC repurcussions. (Hybe deserves this too for how shallow their decisions are. I do understand the need for MHJ out).
As deranged as she is, MHJ is hands on with her creative pursuits and the inexperienced execs is busy doing damage control on top of planning how to keep ador afloat.
Y'know what? Maybe they should dissolve ador and absorb the employees and NJ into either SoMu and Belift. At least the people there already know the works.
minheejin is right
I'll it is a pure copy of newjeans and aren't even talented only one illit member can be in newjeans& it's the girl who sings well minju
Just because shady behavior is common in the industry it doesn’t mean you can justify grown adults for being shady towards the members, as much as you can’t justify the staff insulting their own artists like jungkook for simply supporting these young girls. And also it’s you people that are making that whole live about min heejin. Yes it’s true that newjeans’ ultimate request was to bring her back, but that’s not the only thing they talked about. You’re just cherry picking what to focus on while brushing off all the other concerns they raised.
All that want is having MHJ back, so they had to think of any little things, some without proofs to defame HYBE. How conveniently HYBE has found proofs that MHJ has been plotting to go independent and steal NJ away frome HYBE. MHJ will not be reinstated. NJ is risking ending their careers for this woman.
I think it was fair of HYBE to not tell the NJ members of what was going on behind the scenes. They are obviously so enmeshed with MHJ that they would probably just tell her anything that HYBE told them.
Yes but you would assume that by the time hybe told min heejin she was dismissed, that they could have at least let the girls know instead of waiting for them to find out from the news
@@yoonized970that’s fair. I understand where you are coming from. I was mostly thinking about before the dismissal of MHJ.
they know they’re close w/ her the least they could’ve done was sit them down and tell them what was going to happen. If they really cared about their feelings that’s what they would’ve done.
@@yoonized970Usually the owner or the company do not ask the employees if they want to keep the boss that is betraying the owners and spending the company money in giving luxury presents to the employees.
@@yoonized970who discuss with their employees before dismissing their boss....it doesn't make sense
There are differences between "crying for help" and "entitled whining mixed with blackmailing". I have no sympathy for the latter ones.
i have never been so early but i js wanna say that ur opinions are always so straightforward and lwk true ..
I was waiting for u to speak up on this matter so i can understand it better,thank you!!
This is what happen when parents are going thru divorce and the children try to be the hero, wanting dad and mom together again, without knowing how broken the marriage is.
The manager telling ILLIT to ignore Hanni isn't evil, let's not exaggerate pls. Unprofessional? Absolutely, but in the heat of the moment not everyone is quite so tactful when not only protecting your group of idols, but likely your job as well. Say some bit of info that didn't seem that important was said in front of Hanni and she repeated it because it also didn't seem that important to her. But, it ends up being used maliciously by MHJ in some way.
Not only would the manager feel guilty for putting ILLIT and HYBE in a weak position, their job would be on the line.
As hurtful as the situation was, Hanni is old enough to understand why it happened. There are ways to counteract these situations, but what NewJeans chose to do was possibly the worst option. It's like they feel entitled to require some feelings of trust towards HYBE employees or groups, but not put in the work to regain their trust. In fact, actually doing the very thing to demolish any hope that others can trust them until MHJ is truly gone.
If they stay on and MHJ is booted entirely, I think they'll naturally gain trust somewhere within the company, tho. They can't stay isolated forever once MHJ is gone.
If Hanni brought this up, then it means it DID feel important to her. Imagine being somewhere like at school or at work and hearing people straight up telling others to ignore you. That just hurts, even if like you said you are old enough to understand why it's happening, no matter how much you try to deny it. Also i promise you the manager's job would have not been on the line for simply letting Hanni and Illit greet each other normally, matter of factly they had already done that before. It's not like they were acting like besties around each other, it was a simple greeting. When you're at work you even greet colleagues that you don't like because that's called being professional, so it's ironic seeing that a bunch of young girls are being more professional than a grown up manager. I feel like it's also important to remind you that Hanni never mentioned what group it was and this time it wasn't min heejin that name dropped illit (unlike what she did in her press conference) so she's not the one that used this situation maliciously.
If I know everything that I say to NJ members can be misinterpreted and used against myself, my group or the company, I would ignore the members to…because of MHJ actions, everyone in the company Hybe and subsidiary companies are walking on eggs shells, that can lead to not talking to the girls…I would do just the same, damned if you do damned if you don’t, thanks for nothing MHJ.
@soft4taeng It's important to remember that according to Hanni or iginally that she and "that group" had already greeted each other in passing around 10 mins previously. You also only have what she says about the situation. Why was she left alone in that one bit of hallway alone for so long instead of another member joining her or staying in the room with her members? They're not TripleS. They were getting all their makeup done at the same time.
Also, with how the whole video sounded very MHJ conference coded I highly doubt it was how much it affected Hanni. Instead, I find it likely that it was specfically pulled out to pull on heartstrings. Like MHJ's scruffy outfit at her own press conference.
@@moonaestheticly8597 you might be reading too much into it. I don't find it weird that she crossed paths with them when she was alone, for all you know she could have gone to the bathroom with another member and was waiting for her outside in the corridor (?) or she might have just been standing there cause she finished getting the makeup early and didn't feel like waiting in the room full of staff working (?) like, i don't know there could be millions of reasons she was there alone for a few minutes. What's iffy is that that specific part of the cctv videos magically disappeared and when hanni asked the guy in charge of monitoring cctv to be able to check, he didn't let her...like idk that's just weird. But even if hanni said it to pull at people's heartstrings, that still doesn't mean it can't be true. It's actually not hard to think that amidst the drama the manager could have told his group to ignore her...
@soft4taeng The CCTV thing isn't particularly weird. Every place I've worked that had CCTV deleted footage once it reached so many days (usually 20-35) old. It was only ever saved if there was a complaint formally lodged that required CCTV footage to fact check. If Hanni or her parents/manager did not file a formal complaint in the allotted time span (I believe 30 days) then the CCTV footage would not have been kept. It takes up too much storage space because its a 24/7 recording basically everywhere in the HYBE building
Ik they are young and manipulated but let's be real ,this isn't a game world. It's real life. They could face the consequences for it. It hurts to see them like this but at the end of the day they choose their future. Both HYBE and mhj are shit. If they still choose mhj over everything, it will all be in vain. Manipulation doesn't excuse their unprofessional behaviour(Mainly the live). The adults have destroyed their brains. But that doesn't allow them to not face the consequences regardless of their age. It's the same for everyone on this earth. The more u fck around, the more u find out. Unfortunately when they'll realise this, it will be too late. You can't save someone who doesn't wanna be saved, even if they're manipulated :( but i hope the best for them though
Armys are busy blindly defending hybe, meanwhile hybe employees are busy insulting jungkook and calling him stupid for supporting newjeans…the irony of it all
Wrong. Darling MHJ has been paying off media outlets to write sh*t.
@@jooniesun any proof????
My biggest issues with the way this "impromptu" livestream was done is how everything is about MHJ, not the girls themselves but everypoint cicles round to MHJ and the way the girls are incredibly disrespectful (in korean) to their current bosses, particularly Hyein. It's in the subtext of the word choices. (like "Oh! You're wearing that outfit?" nicely cause you think it looks good vs "Oh? You're going to wear *that*?" disgust plain on your face and in your voice cause you don't have any respect for the other)
About the ignoring...At the end of the day the responsibility of the girls' mental wellbeing mostly relies on themselves, their parents, and their manager. The new CEO is not responsible for Hanni feeling hurt that a manager told a group to ignore her, especially with no evidence, and we need to bear in mind that it isn't the full story we're getting. Hanni could have said something, or it could have been a group/group member who got more hate due to MHJ actions. Yeah, I wouldn't want my group involved in the dumpster fire either.
Another point is that MHJ was given the option of taking the creative director role for NWJNs but said no because she wouldn't have full control...Hybe isn't required to involve NWJNs in the decision making and honestly? Until the girls have proven beyond doubt that they can act independently of MJH and not for her Hybe should keep them in the dark where it involves MHJ. Anywhere else? Consistently supporting your old boss who was fired for completely fair reasons will get you fired.
I've run out of sympathy for the girls, as long as they blindly support MHJ without stopping to fact check (which at least 4 of them are old enough to do) I refuse to support them.
Also the personal records were leaked by MHJ and her team so...there's that
Also isn't the common saying "the internet is forever"? Hybe quite literally can't remove their information and videos from the internet. It's why "revenge porn" videos/photos need to be taken more seriously.
A singular video was asked to be taken down due to the fact that it showed scenes of ETA that didn't give the right image of Apple because it was all meant to be filmed by an iphone, so any teenager could do it with enough friends and cool costumes. He privated all the others and has since undone that action.
What gets me is that this entire debacle seems so unnecessary. I understand that NewJeans want to follow under MHJ’s artistic direction, but her mismanagement plays a big part in why this whole situation has unfolded in the first place. The adults that they’re surrounded with clearly cannot be trusted.
However, I do think that NewJeans has every right to make a statement. This is super pertinent right now when they are being purposefully left out of the decision making process even though said decisions will directly affect their careers.
Time for this drama to end
The problem with people "supporting" New Jeans is they also support Min Hee Jin. People don't understand that they should support NJ and NJ only. MHJ is manipulating and grooming these young girls in front of our eyes but Tokkis still stay on MHJ side. NJ sees MHJ as their "savior" "mother" because she's manipulated them for years now, so NJ being this attached to MHJ does not mean that their views are right and that MHJ is kind. Everyone should be concerned for the girls but people are turning this as NJ vs HYBE when in the first place, it should've been and always been MHJ vs HYBE and HYBE has made that clear on that part, at least during the first few months.
This is honestly an annoying and frustrating issue. MHJ made it personal, attacking any and every idol under HYBE and using the NJ members to save her face and to get the people to pity her. with media coverage and annoying press conferences. HYBE took the professional approach, providing documents and taking everything to court but people still hated on HYBE because MHJ tactic worked.
Then NJ publicly, multiple times, showed their support for MHJ. There is no way that in some way HYBE would not take this personally. MHJ started to take it personally, taking NJ with her and HYBE responded personally and it's so crazy to me that HYBE gave and did 50% of what MHJ was doing but HYBE is evil for it. I'm in no way trying to portray that HYBE is a great company but 90% of these wouldn't have happened if MHJ never went on her manipulated spree.
Exactly omg. Hybe is definitely shitty but let's not have a black and white mentality that mhj=good, hybe=bad. newjeans members need a time off of all this, theyre children
Tell you what NJ. Stay in you lane. Your career is on its last leg.
lol are y'all hybe company stans this corny? 😂
As said as it is, imo if njs didnt mention mhj as much as they do, theyd have more support. Because the girls cant see themselves without her, ppl hate mhj and mhj acts like the 6th member of the group.
Kpop fans are too busy making jokes and gaslighting Newjeans to care about how this drama is negatively affecting them
It’s truly sad and disheartening to see an idol group try to plead for help because this was there last option and all the netizens wanna say it that they don’t deserve to say how they feel because their too privileged…like fans wanna say the kpop industry are the problem but that’s not true, the fans are truly the reason why kpop is the way it is. It’s sad how people are actually gaslighting the girls to shut their mouths as if they’re not allowed to feel hurt.
I’m truly starting to hate kpop because of the fans bro…
its a hybe cult echo chamber thats why. they deflect and blame the victim because hybe can never be wrong.
They were not pleading for help. They were demanding for the return of their grooming gaslighter or else. Following in the footsteps of the 3 backstabbers from 50 50 into career oblivion.
Did you all miss the part where they were actually there on MHJ behalf? To try and get her job back for her?
Newjeans: talking about being ignored by hybe managers, talking about not being believed by their new ceo, talking about their content being infringed and hybe’s lack of protection when it comes to personal info being leaked
Hybe stans: b-but min heejin👺
Like stfu the girls have brought up so many points and expressed valid concerns and all those people can talk about is min heejin being trash…yes she sucks and?
Does that make Newjeans unworthy of being treated fairly?
also worth mentioning that they voiced concern for the employees too bc they can see the toll it’s taking on them. But no for Hybe stans everything has to be about mhj
No one in this world is treated fairly. No shade but what valid concerns? I think every point they have brought up has been debunked in one way or another. I agree they should be judged by their words and actions but they insist on incorporating MHJ, so it is impossible for people to view them on their own merit. They won’t separate from her. Which is problematic.
@@R2Mw19 Your response just proves the toxic mindset of many fans. Just because mistreatment is common doesn’t mean it should be normalized. The fact that some people think this way is shocking. This mentality is why idols retire early or suffer emotionally. Also, the "debunking" of points against MHJ is invalid because it comes from biased HYBE fans. MHJ was the only one truly looking out for NewJeans since their trainee days, unlike the current CEO who has done nothing. MHJ broke her contract to defend the group, which says a lot. Maybe she went too far, but it’s better than doing nothing.
The issue isn’t the group’s “odd” relationship with MHJ; it's that HYBE isn’t listening to the girls' concerns. People are gaslighting them, saying they’re too privileged to complain or that their relationship is too off, while ignoring similar situations that could happen to other groups, like Zico with Boynextdoor. It’s disappointing that people don’t see the bigger picture. Cuz yall are too hung up on the idea of them and not the reason behind their feelings.
@@lilithyolanda9851 Well, I see your passion. The underlying point is MHJ is a narcissistic sociopath as exhibited by her words and actions. Nj are victims of this as exhibited by their words and actions. The rest is just your gibberish to seem righteous. You appear desperate not convinced.
@@lilithyolanda9851 bro you sound braindead touch some grass
No matter what happens, NewJeans have most of the industry on their side, it’s only hybe and their crazy stans that are against them. People who have actually experienced hardships are supporting them, people with a good heart are standing up for them. Brands still want to work with them and they’re sending positive messages to the girls, the general public is still in love with NewJeans and their music. People are finally waking up to hybe’s way of manipulating the news and i have faith the future can still be bright for the girls 💪
@@ivyfall-e3h good luck to them then I bet these people who are supporting These gurls in the industry won’t invest I’m pretty sure no one wants to be stabbed in the back..HYBE has been too nice any other company would fired them long ago Samsung or Lotte would not waste their time and tolerate that
Hopefully they get out then get stolen by some company related to SM. They and MHJ love SM better than Hybe anyway.
to the contrary....people who have suffered hardship will see NJ girls doing an entitlement whining. The people who supported NJ girls are people who're too young, or never experienced real work setting.
people were fantasizing about nwjns getting emotionally abused by min heejin for years and when it turns out the abuse actually happened (but it came from hybe) they've suddenly turned against them and this is hypocrisy at its peak
not getting a "hi" from hallway is abuse? oh wow....the NJ girls really need therapy in the real world
@@RazgrizDavion81 You're clearly minimizing what it actually means to actively be isolated from your peers and staff at the company. This is just gonna make things worse as it will create a hostile environment for everyone, not newjeans alone. Then how convenient to leave out everything else the girls have talked about and reducing all of their complaints to simply "they didn't greet me back so now i'm sad" you people are ridiculous and lack human compassion for real
@@soph3n0t Nah what NJ experiencing is normal in working environment. Their issue is that they're so used to being pampered by MHJ that any standard treatment look like mistreatment for them.
And lastly if you analyzed the video, NJ girls were not even focusing on their mistreatment and asking from improvement. That would gain them sympathy from public. Afterall speaking out when you're being mistreated is fine course of action. No one dispute this.
But instead, NJ girls used the mistreatment issue to DEMAND the corporation to bring back MHJ so that thing will be the same as before. Asking for improvement of condition due to mistreatment is very different that asking for things to return the way they are. Added cherry on top, they give ultimatum to the corporation by giving deadlines. That's not how want to negotiate in good faith.
So, in this case, NJ girls are literally digging their own grave. I just hope they have something up their sleeve on September 25th. Otherwise, their dumb/naive/probably manipulated move on september 11th, will really become more stupid and more pathetic.
@@soph3n0t for your kind information ALL THIS MANAGER SAYING ILLIT TO IGNORE THEM HAPPENED WHEN MIN HEE JIN WAS THERE AS CEO WHY DIDN'T GIRLS COMPLAIN ABOUT THIS BACK THEN...
@@soph3n0t fantasizing abuse😭, you people are delusional like of all the people why would you worship newjeans fairygod mother mhj . Are you actually unaware of her doing or you are one of her shaman.
Here's the thing: mhj can be good at her job and have a good idea and experience on how to successfully establish a group, but she could also be emotionally too close to her group. If an adult is working with minors, it is the adult's responsibility to ensure a proper working relationship and not taking advantage of younger peers looking up to them. If they had a normal professional relationship, the nj girls would not have this set belief that they are "nothing" without mhj.
No artist should have such an attachment to their creative director and it's the adult's job to ensure boundaries are not crossed.
Hybe definitely should have managed the ceo change better and mhj should not have begun open firing at various groups in front of the media. If they had handled this behind the scenes like proper adults should have, then informed njs about the changes before publicly announcing, things would have gotten a lot smoother.
Also, the manager who told their group to ignore hanni: was that unprofessional? Ya. Did the woman njs very publicly support start a hate train against a lot of their subsidiary groups? Also yes.
Honestly besides whatever "isolating" hybe was doing, it seems like mhj is also responsible for keeping njs as uninvolved with the other hybe groups as possible amd creating unnecessary competition and tension btw them
The grooming that was done on these girls is scary. That part when Hyein said that during predebut used to go to MHJ house alone… 🤢
Since I can read Korean, I see a world of difference between the Korean and non-Korean fandoms about what they think of Min Hee-Jean (obviously, there will exceptions and shades of grey to this generalization). But dream on, if you think New Jeans is going to stab Min Hee-Jean in the back. MHJ is not just some random ho off the streets who got bored one day and hypnotized NJ. She's widely acknowledged as a K-pop industry leader by no less a person than Lee Sooman during her tenure at SM - heavily involved in the creative process of SNSD, Fx, Red Velvet, and Exo. Why do you think Bang Si-Hyuk/Hybe recruited MHJ from SM? After Bang's failure with Glam, he turned to her expertise, but they had strong disagreement in their artistic vision and direction. Bang promised Min creative latitude and independence in the New Jean project with title of first BTS sister-group, but due to the creative differences spilling over to bad blood, Bang used the pandemic to put the NJ project on hold and launched his parallel project, stealing the thunder and attention initially. If Min hadn't carved out Ador as an semi-independent sublabel saddled with Bang's negative expectations for the NJ project's failure, New Jeans would not have taken off. And boy, did New Jeans smash the charts without teasers or fanfare. Funny thing is that all these events are common knowledge among the Korean fans and the commentariat, the K-pop artists and creatives are pretty much on MHJ's side. So are her pupils from SM, and most importantly, the New Jeans members are the most cognizant of her pivotal role. At this point, Hybe wants to choke off and memory-hole NJ, and I can't help to think that a good number of you may be deliberately or unknowingly playing the role of corporate shills. These NJ girls aren't stupid, brainwashed, or naive. They know who their friends and enemies are in Hybe. I don't think BTS Junggook was throwing shade at MHJ. Plus, BTS Taehyung V was positive about working with MHJ as an artist.
Bro didn't mhj hire a shaman or smth for bts so that they go away😭
Maybe the first thing is for the fans to tell MHJ to stop using NJ and gaslighting them to think that they aren't capable of success without her!
Newjeans talked about many concerning things in their live but somehow y’all make everything about min heejin. How convenient it is to think she’s the only problem while completely ignoring all that hybe has done to manipulate the public opinion.
@@vangyuland mhj using nj to manipulate the public?
Hybe turning this into lawsuit(s) will ultimately kill any idols or teens from auditioning for Hybe. They don't see the long game do they.... When your Artist is bigger than your Agency. Its Black Pink vs YG. No offence to YG... I would rather spend my time and money on Black Pink. No one cares about YG and no one will care of Hybe after their treatment of NWJ.
@@jaelle7113 nwj is definitely bigger than hybe. When was the last time you attended a hybe concert... Never
@@jerrylee3887this is another level of nonsense, not even bts but newjeans. Newjeans are not even top money makers in hybe and comparing them to blackpink is crime. Stop being delusional.
Where are their parents???welcome to the real world gurls
This is giving
@@XinQueen-wq7lu How are they suffering? Where is the evidence? Hanni crying about being ignored? That's not mistreatment. When idols cry about mistreatment and gave examples of how they were abused physically, emotionally, mentally and neglected fans rushed to their side. They were able to provide evidence of mistreatment from their company. New Jeans on the other hand, are complaining about things that normally happen anywhere. So I should create a UA-cam video and whine that I'm being mistreated because someone ignored me? You want to know what people would say about me? They would say I have no backbone, I'm too soft and that I can't handle the real world. Everyone in the world has to have thick skin because the world is cruel. What are they going to do if they leave that company only to face the same exact thing in another company? Are they going to complain as well?
@@alanaatkinson551Hanni was not only ignored, the person used a koran term that's purposely condescending and cruel, it was more than a simple "ignore her"
@@alanaatkinson551 well said, I like NJ girls, but this is the first thing that pop out in my mind when I watched their "emergency video". They're not ready for the real world yet and need serious counseling from professional therapy.
@@bornarose11 so, its not like the other manager telling hanni to stay way, the manager is telling the idols he/she managed to ignore hanni. Big deal...just smile and move on. This thing happen a lot in daily life at corporation.
Armys spent months trash talking nwjns just for their fave Jungkook to openly support them and saying artists are not guilty. See when celebrities like him are actual good hearted and empathetic people?
I’m just sorry he is stuck with a fandom that is so proudly vicious and violent towards young women and totally goes against the positive message that bts has been trying to spread for years!
I'm sorry...but we Army's have been busy streaming, standing up against antis and kmedia spreading false media about Yoongi. We've been too busy to really get deep in. Like is always say. You guys are attacking the entire universe except the people who are wrong. Don't be afraid to tell nj you guys messed up. Idols sometimes listen to their fans if they're right. But y'all are like bringing the entire BTS Army's in for a quarter of the fans isn't fair. And when army's react with that same energy it's bullying. But there were some hectic comments 😂.focus on actively supporting your favs, stream stream and stream some more. Because realistically there numbers are low. They lost alot of support. So help new Jeans actively because this ain't it. 💟💜
Not y'all acting like you didn't start smear campaigns against BTS members and now when one Jungkook supports them, y'all support him too. It's very pathetic to try and hide behind the fire y'all created and then blame it on Army's. We ain't having none of your shit neither will your faves fans. Stop talking about topics that are diverted from this situation. Support nwjns, that's what matters. We Army's can also put examples of the whole kpop fandoms hating & trying to end BTS but blaming each other won't do anything. Just support the girls and keep Jungkook's name out of your filthy mouth.
Blah blah blah... Armys are this, Armys are that. You probably have no idea all the shitty things their fandom did to our boys bud. Armys trash talking is nothing compared to what New Jeans deranged fandom gives to Yoongi. And what do you mean by spending months hating them? Bud, we are busy defending Yoongi against Kmedia and antis who are demanding him. If Armys trash talking new jeans, it's nothing compared to what their fandom did. New Jeans fans literally joined blinks in a fake challenge to mock Yoongi's incident and they joined GC to hate BTS. AND LASTLY, New Jeans deranged fandom are the one who sent funeral flower wreaths to Yoongi. See, that's how disgusting and deranged new Jeans fans can be.
People don't care idols like them if people they are not fan with them, plus, its HYBE i ignore to favor the odds of supporting the group's
MHJ stated she knew about the live….they have parents , lawyers, and MHJ and to me complaining about people not saying hello to you after your beloved CEO whom you support and want reinstated said maligning statements about HYBE group’s is not something to whine about
It’s not just people not saying hello to you, it’s actively isolating these girls from everyone else in the company. Not to mention all the negative comments that hybe staff employees have made online about newjeans. You’re really just minimizing the situation because that’s what fits your narrative and it’s pathetic.
I feel that it is pathetic that they are being used by MHJ. This was her fight, she was suspected by HYBE of trying to hurt HYBE in order to get money and start her own label with New Jeans and she is being investigated, nothing to do with New Jeans. She brought them into the mix at the press conference as well as a lot of other plagiarism claims about other groups. New Jeans has every right to support her as it seems she treated them well[aside from the disparaging remarks we saw in her texts]. As to the employees I guess they have the same right to react to the situation as they see it, maybe they are just steering clear of a very complicated business situation that will be settled in court
"nobody" including their parents?
And what are the parents supposed to do exactly? Fly to Seoul and take them back home while they’re still under contract with hybe?
@@vangyul yes! thats literally your child
I just have to laugh, that’s not how it works. You can’t just get somebody to terminate their contract with a company 😭 there’s objectively nothing the parents can do now
@@vangyul they def can terminate the contract and pay the fee
Nobody in newjeans has the amount of money it would cost to terminate the contract so they won’t be able to do it unless they sue hybe and win, so don’t be absurd. There’s nothing the parents can do and it’s funny how when the parents did speak up about newjeans’ horrible living conditions in the dorms back when they were source music trainees y’all called the parents entitled for complaining so…
We like their fans... We are hope for NewJeans!!! They do not ended... WE FOREVER STANDING AND LOVE THEM AND WE CANNOT LOSE THEM!!! ✊💓🔥
lol i think ppl are not understanding them when they say mhj is integral for their group its not because they are nothing without her but its because mhj is the only person they can trust working under hybe they know that whoever they replace her with is gonna be working against them like we all know hybe don't like their groups when "hitman" is not written in the credits everyone saying MHJ is using them but they're using her the same way they are living their best life under her clearly they know more what best for their life they rather end their career than continue working as hybe dolls
Firstly, it is easy to claim mistreatment when NJ has been living a life of princesses, having everyone listen to every word you say, do everything you say and then being treated like everyone else. That is not mistreatment.
secondly - If HYBE is so horrible (per MHJ and NJ), then why are both parties so eager to go back to HYBE? MHJ and NJ just wants HYBE money, resources and influence without obeying or working under HYBE's corporate rules and structure
Having big company privilege doesn't mean there cannot be mistreatment. Having brand deals and high budget MVs doesn't mean there can't be abuse. Just think about how many big4 artists have talked about being neglected/ignored/overworked by their companies despite debuting with many more privileges compared to other agencies' artists. As for Hybe, the girls do not want to leave Hybe unless it's strictly necessary and it's easy to understand why. Not only some of the staff they have always worked with and they trust is still at Ador, but Hybe also owns the rights to their songs and branding, of course they don't wanna leave Hybe and they hope to solve the issue without having to take legal actions. As for Min Heejin, she clearly doesn't wanna leave Hybe because her group is still under the company. She doesn't wanna let go of her "creation" (newjeans), regardless of whether her attachment to newjeans comes from a place of real love or just plain narcissism.
Why is everybody distording their words? They never claimed to be mistreated they talked about How Staff and Hybe Workers isolated them from other groups, as artists it's normal to want to share their work. They did not ask that we do everything they ask but that their word be taken into account and that they be able to participate in their projects as before. Just like they said, they just wanna be idols and archive their dreams not be be in the middle of ALL this conflict that could have been avoided if Hybe actually took this matter PRIVATELY on the court and didn't decided to eagerly try a "character assassination". The girls literally got their private info and videos leaked, whenever Hybe or MHJ is the problem here, in their situation HYBE decided to give them to MHJ. They decided to let her do whatever she did and they're the ones to blame to even think it was a good idea to let this women near minors despite her past. It's easier to trust the only person you know and it's human to actually prefer their past stability over this ridiculous situation even though it's clearly not the best option. This is actually how victims respond to their abusers. Y'all cannot pretend to care about idols but the moment you actually see idols in danger categorizing them as "ungrateful brats" I can't say that what they did was the best option but judging them for doing this seems unfair knowing that Hybe were AGAIN the ones who fucked up by hiring this woman in the first place
@@tondoma when an employee demands this or that, then they live with the consequences. I’m not for or against anyone but accountability would go far.
@@tonyn1628Exactly, some idols share one room, are not paid, and are being abused by their company. They also do not receive promotions and are overworked. But New Jeans act really privileged. It has only been 2 weeks since the new CEO joined, but they are already experiencing problems. The success of Newjeans was instant due to their being under Hybe. Both Mhj and Newjeans know this is why they are not leaving Hybe.
Min hee jin out !
god just get a job... she's out already, hybe offered her a 2 month short term contract with the condition that they could terminate it at any time and she refused, she is fired already so stop being corny
@@soph3n0t out ! out ! out 👍
@@NilceiaAlvesPessoaAlvesPessoa brain rotted fandom for real
@@soph3n0t equally ! Brain rotted Min hee jin fandom !👍
CAN YOU MAKE A VIDEO ABOUT RIIZE MEMBER HONG SEUNGHAN
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there’s a reason the industry are supporting nwjns and not illits or le sserafim because they don’t need it.
people have such a hard time comprehending that yes illit and Lesserafim are victims BUT the hate is coming from Kpop stans and they were getting hate even before the whole MHJ issue. NewJeans on the other hand are stuck in the middle of an adult and a conglomerate fighting over them in addition to Kpop stans hating on them.
Min heejin sucks but hybe sucks even more. They shouldn't have made this person a ceo omg she's not normal.
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I feel like atp hybe is just dragging down newjeans. I don't like mhj but its so funny that one of the biggest company is doing so.
I completely support newjeans. Litr we know how toxic the industry is and the mistreatment idols have to go through to be “perfect” for their audience yet when newjeans speaks up about it, they’re shunned and called entitled Because it’s been a month since a new ceo came in place. Why does it matter how long it’s been? Do ppl want them to suffer longer and then speak up? I’m glad they took this step forward and I hope the best for their career, love u nwjns 🩷🩷
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People don't care idols like them if people they are not fan with them, plus, its HYBE i ignore to favor the odds of supporting the group's