Lately kpop stans have also been making me feel kinda guilty for supporting newjeans and still giving these young girls the benefit of the doubt just because i didn’t want to blindly believe all the crazy speculations about them. I know some of the things they did/said might appear a bit “controversial” but stans have been deeming the silliest things as controversial, even just minji putting up some stickers in a building, which tells me everything i need to know, which is that people really just want to create a mean girl story for these girls who are likely just victims!
it's because they publicly sided with MHJ for the benefit of the lawsuit. And bunnies going around hating on other groups in HYBE. that's the main reason for other fandoms going against new jeans. it's not the girls fault. it's the toxic bunnies and MHJ. I see bunnies hating on other fandoms literary everyday. ILLIT's recent dance challenge with KOL was full with hate comments from bunnies. that's pathetic. this is why everyone is against this fandom. And this also why the views got so low. lot of other fandoms stopped supporting new jeans after this case. most of the bunnies are just a bunch of high schoolers who don't know what they are doing. Recently HYBE got rejected by the court for requesting not to make some personal information public. Bunnies started to mock HYBE everywhere. little do they know those are personal information of new jeans. HYBE was trying to protect their artists (at least acting like it) because still new jeans are under HYBE. Bunnies were so happy and saying "HYBE lost to MHJ again". such immature behavior. this is just a game for them. this is what really happening with new jeans. The fandom, idols should be neutral and let the adults do whatever they want. Turning point was they sided with MHJ fully on publicly.
it's all thanks to Min Heejin that young girls like newjeans and illit are getting hate, her drama is with hybe. hybe have only pointed at her, but she needed to bring these kids into the table to get away from the drama and put them at the front row to shield herself. She says she cares abt newjeans but what kind of "mother figure" does that to young girls ?
@@soft4taeng 1000% agree with you. Even before NewJeans debut, MIn Hee Shit was already bragging and owning everything, displacing HYBE. That was a start of the Red Flag.
They love MHJ a lot. They mention her 24/7 and shower her with praises. NJ are not innocent, they seduced MHJ to debut. MHJ herself said Minji seduced her and MHJ liked her raw and natural state. MHJ own wordings.
The way people make it seem like hybe and bang pd are innocent in this situation really baffles me. Both Bang pd and MHJ are awful people, period. But for the people hating on new jeans because you feel they are supporting her after all the “wrong” things she did, I don’t see y’all being upset at bang pd’s groups for still supporting him after all the shitty things he has done for years. Please sit tf down with your selective outrage, especially you I armys 😒
preach! not only it was literally hybe that employed min heejin, fully knowing she was problematic, but the higher-ups in hybe are also a bunch of trashy individuals themselves. People just wanna find the bad guy and the hero in this situation, the problem is there's no hero at all
Personally, i love their music, i enjoy their concept and i also love the members so i’m still going to follow them like i did before this drama happened. Newjeans have been blamed for min heejin’s faults enough already. At what point are we going to realize they are NOT responsible for what’s going on? Let this be a fight between CEOs and don’t bring the groups into this 🙏
I COMPLETELY AGREE The fact these are the same stans that say we shouldnt hate on idols and then decide to hate on new jeans like the karina armegeddon and minji stickers thing hybe stans were ssying she was rude or that she should be fired and people saying danielle hates blackpink like huh...??
Honestly, their music is absolutely amazing, and they're so talented they just need a good label, and the good producers that'll continue to push them to succes, not pull them down.
Not a fan of any hybe group but these girls were picked by mhj to debut, and these people want them to hate her, their company, their family, eveyrone around them to be the superheroes of the drama between mhj and hybe? Ridiculous
The only thing I really want is for New Jeans to get a different CEO than Min Hee Jin. I'd rather them just be under HYBE instead of MHJ. She's literally using the group and members to create drama and to make herself look better so bunnies would side with her. And the messages where she was basically insulting the girls???? like what P.S. with the MHJ being a pred*tor... idk the things i've seen and heard about what she did during her time in SM was weird. First was her telling minor Taemin to not work out and to not cut his hair because noonas wouldn't like him anymore. And then the second one is when she showed minor Krystal a picture of a child(who was very popular in America? during the 70s,80s for her...shows and movies where she was always around OLD MEN and was heavily sexualised). People said she showed that to Krystal because she wanted Krystal to be like that. And the fact that minor Krystal was the one wearing the tightest and most revealing outfit during their debut was definitely...weird. idk
You're the only account I can trust to be impartial when it comes to Newjeans coz everyone else is so weird towards them also agree with all your points
I feel like it’s kind of telling that it’s almost always female idols like danielle (but also yuna, wonyoung…) that get accused of being fake and secretly mean. They’re your typical pretty, popular, bright girls that find it easy to make friends and have everyone at her their feet because they’re just so stunning, sweet and friendly and i feel like this is the same type of girl that many people would consider a regina george if they were in highschool with them, which stems from insecurity. It’s a recurring pattern and i don’t find it surprising one bit…
People exclusively hating on mhj when hybe has p3do producers and band sihyuk sexualized both bts (making them lift up their shirts even if they were uncomfortable with it) and lesserafim (giving them plenty of questionable dance moves) really feels like selective outrage at its finest.
IMO the girls are being manipulated, with the recent updates we can see that the girls weren‘t treated good by source! Now just imagine how it felt like switching to a company that treated you better! As someone who has experience with being manipulated by a groomed: there‘s a reason why no victim is ever talking bad about their groomer while actively being groomed! They don‘t know! Groomers are often quite harmless at first but then start slowly pushing boundaries making the victims believe that nothing is ever wrong. Newjeans seem like such sweet girls and I wish the best for them
I am not a stan of any girl group. I liked their debut song and a few of the others but the claims that MHJ said the girls have made against others have left a bad taste in my mouth. I felt sorry for them as well as the other groups that have gotten dragged into this mess. I think that MHJ has fed the girls a lot of very bad advice and it is affecting their behavior. While I feel sorry for them I also feel that at some point they need to begin to take responsibility for the complaints and words that MHJ attributes to them as well as the hateful actions done in their names. It may not be fair to blame them but it's their names and actions that are out there and that's what I see.
It really sucks because NewJeans is literally my favorite KPop group and the first KPop group for me to ever even Stan. Like I used to hate KPop before I found them a few months ago. But as I was hearing and watching everything about this situation, I started to get annoyed with the actions of the girls and the straight up disrespect and hate towards Le Sserafim and ILLIT. I even started to listen to NewJeans less. It just didn’t feel right. However, its not that black and white. I do believe that the girls are only following what they know. They have been with MHJ for so long and in their eyes, she’s the only person who has shown them constant support and love. There’s so many things that could’ve been said behind closed doors to their faces, behind their backs. We’ll never know. But the girls are just artist at the end of the day. They deserve to be protected. All of them do. Le Sserafim, ILLIT, and NewJeans didn’t deserve to get dragged into this.
at the core of this discussion, there are too many assumptions being made by both sides. BUT if you take everything at face value and NOT assume anything, the NJ members support MHJ PERIOD. The members are aware of everything that MHJ has said and done, yet they still continue to support MHJ.
Ok but what could they realistically do? They totally depend and rely on her and Adore in terms of concept, sound and management. With all this mess going on i doubt hybe would wanna associate with newjeans more than necessary so min heejin is pretty much all the girls have…
@vangyul when most companies get into scandals, most of time groups don't public come out about anything that way we the audience can easily separate the artist from the label...and if the label goes down the artist can at least he salvaged and have supporters but when they do come out most of time they are basically attaching themselves to a sinking ship
I agree. I do not like them but I started to disslike them before all the drama, I just don't vibe with them but it is kind of sad to watch how people just forgets they are victims too.
i dont get how kpop stans make minor idols parents villains for letting their children following their dreams like??? if they dont start early they might never even have a chance and everybody knows this - especially koreans, sports kids, actor kids or theater kids they all start even earlier than idols and work hard the same [or even harder for sports kids]
I'm sure that if you are a parent, a part of you definitely worries about your kid becoming an idol, an actor, a model or whatever, but on the other hand you don't wanna destroy your child's dream, you don't want them to become unhappy and start resenting you for not letting them do what makes them happy. Obviously this doesn't change the fact that the industry is a terrible place for young kids, but i can also understand why parents would ultimately choose to let their kids do what they've always dreamed about.
From time to time, i'm gonna unstan Newjeans, because of not the girls, but their manager, Mhj is sick, disgusting and weird. If ever the girl group would disbanded. So sad to say it.😔
How do people support any yg, sm or hybe artist without supporting their questionable companies then? What i mean is that you can still stan a group while also acknowledging that their ceo is awful and not agreeing with what the higher-ups say. This applies to pretty much every group out there, not just newjeans.
I love the NewJeans songs except the M/V, i already voiced out thousand times, the M/Vs were plagiarized finally it came to light. Also, there was an M/V in Psych Ward.... that was really weird, making fun of mental illness. Now that shows, that Min Hee Shit was R'Tarded.
Lately kpop stans have also been making me feel kinda guilty for supporting newjeans and still giving these young girls the benefit of the doubt just because i didn’t want to blindly believe all the crazy speculations about them. I know some of the things they did/said might appear a bit “controversial” but stans have been deeming the silliest things as controversial, even just minji putting up some stickers in a building, which tells me everything i need to know, which is that people really just want to create a mean girl story for these girls who are likely just victims!
it's because they publicly sided with MHJ for the benefit of the lawsuit. And bunnies going around hating on other groups in HYBE. that's the main reason for other fandoms going against new jeans. it's not the girls fault. it's the toxic bunnies and MHJ. I see bunnies hating on other fandoms literary everyday. ILLIT's recent dance challenge with KOL was full with hate comments from bunnies. that's pathetic. this is why everyone is against this fandom. And this also why the views got so low. lot of other fandoms stopped supporting new jeans after this case. most of the bunnies are just a bunch of high schoolers who don't know what they are doing. Recently HYBE got rejected by the court for requesting not to make some personal information public. Bunnies started to mock HYBE everywhere. little do they know those are personal information of new jeans. HYBE was trying to protect their artists (at least acting like it) because still new jeans are under HYBE. Bunnies were so happy and saying "HYBE lost to MHJ again". such immature behavior. this is just a game for them. this is what really happening with new jeans. The fandom, idols should be neutral and let the adults do whatever they want. Turning point was they sided with MHJ fully on publicly.
it's all thanks to Min Heejin that young girls like newjeans and illit are getting hate, her drama is with hybe. hybe have only pointed at her, but she needed to bring these kids into the table to get away from the drama and put them at the front row to shield herself. She says she cares abt newjeans but what kind of "mother figure" does that to young girls ?
Illit were getting hate since before debut, Wonhee since RUNext, as for NewJeans they've been getting hate since debut mostly bc of their fast success
Let's not denied that the hate was worst after min heejin mentioned them@@wispymango
MHJ and NJ love each other, it is also different from a mother love. They act like a couple.
They deserve a better ceo than min heeshit
facts, she caused nothing but drama since the beginning and she's clearly a walking red flag
@@soft4taeng fr ever since their debut I've felt something off about her
@@soft4taeng 1000% agree with you. Even before NewJeans debut, MIn Hee Shit was already bragging and owning everything, displacing HYBE. That was a start of the Red Flag.
They love MHJ a lot. They mention her 24/7 and shower her with praises. NJ are not innocent, they seduced MHJ to debut. MHJ herself said Minji seduced her and MHJ liked her raw and natural state. MHJ own wordings.
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The way people make it seem like hybe and bang pd are innocent in this situation really baffles me. Both Bang pd and MHJ are awful people, period. But for the people hating on new jeans because you feel they are supporting her after all the “wrong” things she did, I don’t see y’all being upset at bang pd’s groups for still supporting him after all the shitty things he has done for years. Please sit tf down with your selective outrage, especially you I armys 😒
fr park jiwon and bang pd are getting let off easy...
preach! not only it was literally hybe that employed min heejin, fully knowing she was problematic, but the higher-ups in hybe are also a bunch of trashy individuals themselves. People just wanna find the bad guy and the hero in this situation, the problem is there's no hero at all
Personally, i love their music, i enjoy their concept and i also love the members so i’m still going to follow them like i did before this drama happened.
Newjeans have been blamed for min heejin’s faults enough already. At what point are we going to realize they are NOT responsible for what’s going on? Let this be a fight between CEOs and don’t bring the groups into this 🙏
I COMPLETELY AGREE
The fact these are the same stans that say we shouldnt hate on idols and then decide to hate on new jeans like the karina armegeddon and minji stickers thing hybe stans were ssying she was rude or that she should be fired and people saying danielle hates blackpink like huh...??
Honestly, their music is absolutely amazing, and they're so talented they just need a good label, and the good producers that'll continue to push them to succes, not pull them down.
THANK YOU!! I’ve been saying this once the beginning!! The ONLY ones who should be getting any heat is MHJ & the higher ups at Hybe!
Not a fan of any hybe group but these girls were picked by mhj to debut, and these people want them to hate her, their company, their family, eveyrone around them to be the superheroes of the drama between mhj and hybe? Ridiculous
The only thing I really want is for New Jeans to get a different CEO than Min Hee Jin. I'd rather them just be under HYBE instead of MHJ. She's literally using the group and members to create drama and to make herself look better so bunnies would side with her. And the messages where she was basically insulting the girls???? like what
P.S. with the MHJ being a pred*tor... idk the things i've seen and heard about what she did during her time in SM was weird. First was her telling minor Taemin to not work out and to not cut his hair because noonas wouldn't like him anymore. And then the second one is when she showed minor Krystal a picture of a child(who was very popular in America? during the 70s,80s for her...shows and movies where she was always around OLD MEN and was heavily sexualised). People said she showed that to Krystal because she wanted Krystal to be like that. And the fact that minor Krystal was the one wearing the tightest and most revealing outfit during their debut was definitely...weird. idk
I don’t go here but I even if they’re under hybe, that company has p@do producers. So nothing would change
You're the only account I can trust to be impartial when it comes to Newjeans coz everyone else is so weird towards them also agree with all your points
I feel like it’s kind of telling that it’s almost always female idols like danielle (but also yuna, wonyoung…) that get accused of being fake and secretly mean. They’re your typical pretty, popular, bright girls that find it easy to make friends and have everyone at her their feet because they’re just so stunning, sweet and friendly and i feel like this is the same type of girl that many people would consider a regina george if they were in highschool with them, which stems from insecurity. It’s a recurring pattern and i don’t find it surprising one bit…
what did Dani do ?
People exclusively hating on mhj when hybe has p3do producers and band sihyuk sexualized both bts (making them lift up their shirts even if they were uncomfortable with it) and lesserafim (giving them plenty of questionable dance moves) really feels like selective outrage at its finest.
None of them comes close to the amount of nasty things min heejin did, have the so pedo hype producers invite minors to her house
The next time someone blames newjeans im pulling up with this video
IMO the girls are being manipulated, with the recent updates we can see that the girls weren‘t treated good by source! Now just imagine how it felt like switching to a company that treated you better! As someone who has experience with being manipulated by a groomed: there‘s a reason why no victim is ever talking bad about their groomer while actively being groomed! They don‘t know! Groomers are often quite harmless at first but then start slowly pushing boundaries making the victims believe that nothing is ever wrong.
Newjeans seem like such sweet girls and I wish the best for them
OMG I've never been this early cause it's like 4am for me but can I just say I LOVE your vids and opinions :)
Thank you, i'm so glad you enjoyed this!!
I am not a stan of any girl group. I liked their debut song and a few of the others but the claims that MHJ said the girls have made against others have left a bad taste in my mouth. I felt sorry for them as well as the other groups that have gotten dragged into this mess. I think that MHJ has fed the girls a lot of very bad advice and it is affecting their behavior. While I feel sorry for them I also feel that at some point they need to begin to take responsibility for the complaints and words that MHJ attributes to them as well as the hateful actions done in their names. It may not be fair to blame them but it's their names and actions that are out there and that's what I see.
It really sucks because NewJeans is literally my favorite KPop group and the first KPop group for me to ever even Stan. Like I used to hate KPop before I found them a few months ago. But as I was hearing and watching everything about this situation, I started to get annoyed with the actions of the girls and the straight up disrespect and hate towards Le Sserafim and ILLIT. I even started to listen to NewJeans less. It just didn’t feel right. However, its not that black and white. I do believe that the girls are only following what they know. They have been with MHJ for so long and in their eyes, she’s the only person who has shown them constant support and love. There’s so many things that could’ve been said behind closed doors to their faces, behind their backs. We’ll never know. But the girls are just artist at the end of the day. They deserve to be protected. All of them do. Le Sserafim, ILLIT, and NewJeans didn’t deserve to get dragged into this.
FR. I hate MHJ so much, but NewJeans don’t deserve any blame for what is going on
at the core of this discussion, there are too many assumptions being made by both sides. BUT if you take everything at face value and NOT assume anything, the NJ members support MHJ PERIOD. The members are aware of everything that MHJ has said and done, yet they still continue to support MHJ.
Ok but what could they realistically do? They totally depend and rely on her and Adore in terms of concept, sound and management. With all this mess going on i doubt hybe would wanna associate with newjeans more than necessary so min heejin is pretty much all the girls have…
@vangyul when most companies get into scandals, most of time groups don't public come out about anything that way we the audience can easily separate the artist from the label...and if the label goes down the artist can at least he salvaged and have supporters but when they do come out most of time they are basically attaching themselves to a sinking ship
THE WAY U CLEARED ?!
😂they are MHJ minions ???Gosh that true indeed
I agree. I do not like them but I started to disslike them before all the drama, I just don't vibe with them but it is kind of sad to watch how people just forgets they are victims too.
i dont get how kpop stans make minor idols parents villains for letting their children following their dreams like??? if they dont start early they might never even have a chance and everybody knows this - especially koreans, sports kids, actor kids or theater kids they all start even earlier than idols and work hard the same [or even harder for sports kids]
I'm sure that if you are a parent, a part of you definitely worries about your kid becoming an idol, an actor, a model or whatever, but on the other hand you don't wanna destroy your child's dream, you don't want them to become unhappy and start resenting you for not letting them do what makes them happy. Obviously this doesn't change the fact that the industry is a terrible place for young kids, but i can also understand why parents would ultimately choose to let their kids do what they've always dreamed about.
glad you made this!!
From time to time, i'm gonna unstan Newjeans, because of not the girls, but their manager, Mhj is sick, disgusting and weird. If ever the girl group would disbanded. So sad to say it.😔
Internationally the popularity may have dipped a bit but they are still Skoreas daughters.
Am I on the right side of K-pop or something? I’ve seen nothing villainizing newjeans and just slamming hybe/le sserafim/ min heejin.
You must be because i still vividly remember the amount of tweets absolutely flaming Minji for that sticker thing, it was absurd
I think army's will protect Newjeans, army's good like bunnies.
min heejin is weird and shady, but all of the higher ups in hybe are also weird and shady.
the problem with you all is you care about ceos and labels, when you it should be about the music, bunch of parasocial creeps
How do you suport newjeans without Supporting MHJ ?
How do people support any yg, sm or hybe artist without supporting their questionable companies then? What i mean is that you can still stan a group while also acknowledging that their ceo is awful and not agreeing with what the higher-ups say. This applies to pretty much every group out there, not just newjeans.
I love the NewJeans songs except the M/V, i already voiced out thousand times, the M/Vs were plagiarized finally it came to light. Also, there was an M/V in Psych Ward.... that was really weird, making fun of mental illness. Now that shows, that Min Hee Shit was R'Tarded.
how are you gonna claim newjeans made fun of mental illness and then use an ableist slur ijbol
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