When Oogie Boogie tried to dump Santa and Sally into the lava, Jack jumped onto the contraption, untied them, and got them both to safety, all within about 5 seconds, and yet still had enough time to get back onto the contraption and strike a pose before Oogie saw him. So he was not lacking in the speed department. And given how scared Oogie was, he had to have been pretty strong as well. The Pumpkin King was no slouch.
Yeah i think the issue was most of his best feats are in side media which i don't know if the creator of this video knows about or wanted to use since it's not directly in the movie. Like the ps2 game and other examples.
It's also worth mentioning how ruthless Jack can be. For the most part, Jack is a very kind and generous person. He's probably one of the nicest people in Hallowween town and that's saying something, because in the intro to the movie they mention how everybody is 'not mean'. So after everything has gone wrong and finds out what Oogie Boogie did, he skins Oogie alive and watches as the remains boiling in lava.
@Thenonymous1 Jack is kind but he can also be cruel. We also see when people speak up against him and don't immediately cowtow to him(the mayor) he scares them, (Boogie's Boys)
@@Thenonymous1 It's surprising how little consideration is given to Jack being the self-defined "Master of Fright." The guy could straight-up traumatize someone if he wanted to and there's very little to say he doesn't have it in him. Most Disney heroes will at least attempt to reason with or try to make some concerned effort to save their villains from themselves. No encounter with Oogie has seen Jack even consider that, it's been absolutely nothing but contempt, and while we've never seen the "canon" (i.e. movie universe) interpretation of what caused such contempt, the fact that Jack eliminated him the very first time Oogie gave him a reason shows that he's absolutely not above permanently solving a problem.
KH Genie could ALSO theoretically seal keyholes. In KH2, he's shown to have the ability to use his own Keyblade and Drive Forms (granted, he's copying Sora). Given his power, I wouldn't think it'd be totally impossible for him to seal a keyhole if he was asked.
Swap Sally and Zero out for Santa and Dr. Finklestein, and you've got a team of hardcore inventors who can engineer their way out of any situation. Santa also has the power to travel anywhere, even implied by the fact that Sora knows of him.
Team Al is basically... Genie: I use my semi-phenomenal nearly cosmic power to make all the problems go away. Aladdin: And I can tell him how to do so without accidentally making new problems in the process. Carpet: *waves a tassel* Genie: That translates to "And I can keep Al out of danger so he has time to figure out how to best tackle the problem".
Genie could probably even get the team to the other worlds as well, he might not be able to open new pathways like Sora, but his magic has shown to do a heck of a lot of improbable things, ((If his KH2 summon was included here, he could maybe even seal keyholes as he makes his own keyblade and can replicate the drive forms))
Nah I think you nailed it if you are going purely off of movie canon. While I do think some of these characters would have a good chance if they were thrust into the worlds of KH with in universe powerrups being possible (like I could absolutely see Ariel or Aladdin unlocking a keyblade, unlocking magic, etc.), but if we are keeping things straight, then most of them really can't do it.
there are a couple of dubiously canon Nightmare Before Christmas games that showcase Jack's ability to fight, and even in Nightmare he's portrayed as someone Oogie fears going up against directly and I feel like it'd be more than just "jack goes boo so scary" kind of fear. I think he stands a chance, but even at his best I don't think he can clear. And as you said this is going off movie canon so it doesn't really work to reach for that. Also yeah i'd be down to hear this for the other games. (well okay they're only "dubiously canon" because there's never going to be anything resembling an official follow-up to NBC, but the games are both a prequel and a sequel story to the movie so I guess they're as much canon as we're ever gonna get until Disney greenlights a nostalgic cash grab sequel next year, calling that now, jsut watch)
If I'm being honest, I 100% disagree with Team Jack not making it through. Lets not forget their inherent abilities. Below are my reasons: - They can't be killed, as they are undead. They could just continually throw attacks, however weak they are, to *eventually* kill any boss they encounter. (EDIT: Even if you don't know how to fight, there are inherit abilities that allow you to fight, even if you don't know how to do it *properly.* For example, if you don't know Martial Arts, that doesn't mean you don't know how to make a fist and punch someone or slap the crap out of them.) - They have NO heart for the same reason they can't be killed, so they can't be transformed into Heartless. - Since they are undead, they don't need to breathe so Atlantica is no problem - Jack does fight (sorta), in this battle: ua-cam.com/video/uwlM46Olwbc/v-deo.html where (SPOILERS FOR NIGHTMARE BEFORE CHRISTMAS), he saved Santa and defeated Oogie Boogie. While he didn't throw any punches, he did dodge quite well, due to his incredibly limber body. - Also I believe NathinOut downplayed Zeros abilities. He is a ghost, so he can prevent or allow physical objects to pass through him, or pass through them himself. Also, he *did* mention that he can posses things, which again, I believe was downplayed. He could posses people, which may not work on people like Maleficent or Ansem, it would 100% do a lot of carrying, as Zero could posses powerful Heartless, and just use it. Now, the question stands that if Maleficent or Ansem could just unsummon the heartless, but maybe not because Zero is possessing it. It all depends and hinges on how powerful of a spirit Zero is, which is never confirmed (as far as I know). That is just my opinion! And what I believe to be right, if you think I'm wrong, let me know! I love a good debate! :)
Honestly I more or less agree. Hercules even without his immortality is an extremely powerful character and as for Aladdin in many ways he is very similar to Sora. In fact I could see a scenario where Ansem is able to neutralize genie but Aladdin still gets the win by tricking Ansem to opening the door to Kingdom Hearts destroying him much like how he tricked Jafar in his own movie into wishing himself into a genie so he could seal him away.
I kinda wish there was more "clever, not violent character would be able to navigate this villain with a Trick" more than like, just measuring these fights like they were arm wrestling contests, but also that kinda comes with the territory. I can absolutely see any of these teams beating Jafar (....ok maybe not Beast), even if most of them obviously wouldnt be doing so via just overpowering him. Any one of the Z tier characters can probably be useful in a scheme to get the lamp away from Iago. I could also imagine some of the more kind hearted characters talking Riku down, or at least preventing him from directly killing the strongest character in their groups. Like, i can imagine Wendy stopping Riku from finishing off Peter in a way that Sora (and his own rival history) couldnt ....i dont know if that can beat Ansem at the end, but theres a lot more interesting potential stories here than just whos got the best fighter on their team.
Aladdin fought Hercules to a standstill in the animated series. Even without Genie he consistently fights way above his weight class and comes out on top. Triton I think you massively underestimate. He is a God related to Hercules (Poseidon is his dad) he likely has pretty amazing combat abilities that would take down Riku and has the immortality of godhood (Ursula doesn't kill him. Just transforms him. Hes a god so she likely cant kill him.) We just dont see him fight in the movies because he surrenders without a fight to protect ariel due to the contract
*Hercules and Genie meeting up in front of the door to darkness. They're both alone. Herc has a bloodied sword in his hand, and is extremely exhausted* Herc: Step aside, Genie. I gotta close that door. Genie: Not happening, pal. I need that door there open. Herc: What? No, that's wrong, why would you...? Nevermind, just let me through. The worlds call for a hero. *Genie summons a group of bandits that stop Hercules on his track* Genie: ...You know, for all the cosmic powers we genies possess, even we find ourselves powerless to stop the ones we love from dying. Did you know there are key-shaped swords that can open up people's hearts? I sure didn't. But my pal, Al... he found out, the hard way. Not even carpet could save him, even though she tried. Oh, yes, she tried... Herc: Genie! stop this! Genie: There are rules for the kinda things we do, you know. We can summon the most incredible powers any world has ever seen, but we cannot bring back the dead. We don't... But, what lies beyond that door... Now that's a different story. Herc: Genie, don't make me stop you. You don't have to do this. I've lost friends too, along the way, but that doesn't mean... *A giant foot stomps the bandits, right in front of Herc* Genie: I don't think you quite realize what you're in for. So settle down and let me illuminate... the possibilities.
Due to Kingdom Hearts’s lore, no Disney character in existence is strong or fast enough to fight Kingdom Hearts characters. For example, Hercules from KH would beat Hercules from the movie with zero difficulty. Being fast enough to move in a timeless realm puts KH as a whole above about every Disney movie character
Pretty much this, the only one who even remotely comes close would be like Rapunzel because of the series and statements from Chris Sonnenburg but even then she has no real way to defend herself against insane conceptual madness characters can pull off in Kingdom Hearts.
Team Herc has an unexpected advantage in Atlantica in that King Triton is a son of Poseidon, and is thus his cousin. He could quickly try and meet up with him and strike a deal to let him and his friends breathe underwater.
Gotta agree with this list especially considering that most Disney movie characters just aren't ment to be taken as fighters, much less strong enough for kingdom hearts
Hear me out on an alternative partner for Beast-- Mademoiselle Grand-Bouche, aka the frickin linebacker wardrobe lady. Granted they would still lose but it would give them some extra power until then.
My one caveat for Herc: the heartless could still potentially steal his heart. Could you imagine a god turned into a heartless? But he’s strong enough he could keep from getting hurt by them.
I don’t think it do much(?) a heartless strength is based on the darkness in one’s heart, I.e. how evil they are. I can see him having a really strong Nobody tho
Still hoping to see "Can Ratchet and Clank survive Dead Space?" with the restriction being Ratchet and Clank only have access to the Omni-Wrench and base armor from Rift Apart, and all of the gadgets that help with exploration from the main series aka Ratchet and Clank all the way to Rift Apart at the start and have to utilize the weapons, powers, armor upgrades, and weapon upgrade workbenches that Issac finds throughout the Ishimura.
How about Mickey Mouse himself? Discounting King Mickey because that's too OP and he'd win easier than Sora did, if we took Mickey's animated history into account, could he clear Kingdom Hearts?
Soul robber, batterang, frog’s breath, Jack o lantern bombs, pumpkin king form, Santa Jack with weaponized trap presents like the vampire doll, etc. sally could probably do some magic and zero is support magic
Even if Gaston for some reason joined Team Beast, the only thing coming out of that is a shootout between him and Clayton. Weakest Hail Britannia vs your Strongest La Marseillaise.
Indeed so, though I think with Gaston they could also clear a few of the other worlds, probably not Olympus... Ok, I'll admit, I just imagined Gaston getting lucky and uppercutting riku into the stratosphere and found that situation somewhat hilarious
You should do a follow up, acknowledging the sequels to each of these characters stories, including other video games like nightmare before Christmas oogies revenge, and perhaps expand teams to 5, the max for kh3. just a definitive peak version of each character with their best teams and items, like giving Peter his best lost boys and some ranged options given he used them in hook. Then, bring it over to chain of memories and the other's in order. And hell, throw the various ff characters into the mix, let's see how many side characters could have done this given keyblades weren't a factor.
I agree Genie sweeps every battle, but Riku who has a keyblade witch as we've seen in kh2, if a strong wielder has can damage Genies. but I still think Aladden would be able to help, so they still win
For Beast I know this doesn't help much but. "The enemy of my enemy is my friend" Gaston would be Beasts teammate. Both are motivated by Belles safety its the heart of it, even if Gaston's motives are utterly selfish and hates beast with all his guts over how could Belle possibly choose HIM over "his greatness" That being said, Cerberus would probably be the same way, sadly no firearm in Beauty and the Beasts time peroid that Gaston could bring from home on the go would have the grit to pierce that hide or that skull of the dog maybe except an eye.... One of 6. And god knows we all know how long it takes to load a blunderbuss. It would be.....a.....tense partnership
Jack Skellington is friends with everyone in Halloween Town, including Oogie Boogey & Dr Frankenstein, and whould probably have them on his team instead of Sally and Zero
I would love to see who gets to challenge Kingdom Hearts 2, but I fear that the endgame's power scale would be higher and wipe everyone... I mean, Xemnas and the Organization XIII are no joke compared to Riku.
If we're going to use outside-of-movie canon media, there's a pre-Nightmare Before Christmas video game where Jack very much does fighting, albeit with the assistance of some green goo hand tether thing that the scientist guy cooked up. Still, it's how he got the title of Pumpkin King, even having taken on giant Oogie Boogie. Specifically with this added he'd probably get through the first few worlds - with no help from his party - but would still ultimately fail in the long run.
Two things, First, your boi Jack has one trick up gis sleeve, in one of rhe KH games, he has heartless dancing alongside him, while this was a cutscene in KH, he does this without any KH amps, so he could potentially scare/ charm lesser heartless to his side and have a bit of an army for boss fights, not enough to beat the heavy hitters, but it means he can at least get out of traverse town and maybe wonderland and deep jungle, And for triton, if Ursula could grow herself giant with the tridant, i see no reason triton couldn't do the same due to being more experienced with it, as well as amping Ariel and Eric, with this in mind, they could actually beat Riku and dragon malecifant and maybe even Ansem Yes, Ansem has a big ship, but Triton has a preety big laser as well
Even if Aladdin didn't wish for Genie's freedom (until, say, after the Genie Jafar fight), he could just wish for Genie to help him run the gauntlet and that counts as one wish for Genie to carry out in the manner he sees fit.
It is ridiculous that Sora is more powerful than Hercules (not physically, but in general, including magic), yet they say that he is not yet a hero. Sora even saved the universe several times. A paradox: in Kingdom Hearts 2 his image appeared in the sky, indicating that he is now a hero, but in Kingdom Hearts 3 people still say he is not a hero (like the girl that he rescued in Thebes).
Pretty sure it's because she's just a random civilian who hasn't heard of Sora's exploits. Because, let's be honest, why would she know? The ending of OC in KH2 made it pretty clear they've become heroes (while the gods poked fun at Phil at the same time, as the greek gods do)
What about counting their "Canon" appearances in other Disney games that allowed them to fight? I remember some Disney mobile game where Ariel has the trident and fights so maybe there's something there? Idk lol
Im sure people have already pointed this out, but jack could SOLO everyone in the kh universe if he was like he was in the devil may cry style will game. Provided he skips atlantica since he wouldn't be buoyant enough to swim.
I disagree with almost all of this, but only because Wonderland would stop every team and the fact that it didn't stop Sora is a mystery of itself. Btw, Hercules gave up Godhood to be with Meg.
I think the genie could get team al through wonderland, And the video did say they were using each Disney character at their best in canon, which for herc is his time as a god
Important to remember: basically every relevant character in KH is significantly stronger than their movie version by virtue of needing to be strong enough to at least keep up with Sora, who scales to the gods in terms of overall stats and capability by the end of the game (beating Hercules, the Ice Titan, and Hades, as well as Disney Satan before facing Ansem). For example, Prince Adam (Beast) being able to physically contend with Xaldin _at all_ is a testament to just how much stronger he is than his movie version. These characters accomplish this either through magic, or by buffing themselves with the powers of light or darkness or some other third thing, and they can use these powers to disrupt the natural order of other worlds, like how Sora literally killed a genie and the immortal ghost pirates.
I feel a revised version including their buffs is needed. Jack has 2 games on gba and PS2 where he has weapons and magic, SOul Robber would make quick work out of every enemy. Ariel has expanded lore in her animated series, she's the granddaughter of Poseidon yet they do nothing with that. Her being a demigoddess puts her at least near Hercules when it comes to strength, not to mention adding waterbending on top of that with the spells she casts in KH1. Actually, a video on each princess of heart being the protagonist with the Keyblade would be interesting, I include Ariel in this because Alice being one instead of her or Mulan is ridiculous.
You misunderstood Hercules’ mortality. The potion robbed him of his godhood and immortality, but he retained his strength. Throughout the film he was mortal, only achieving full godhood at the climax by proving himself a true hero in risking his life for Meg’s. He then declines his godhood in favor of remaining mortal on earth.
Um what didn’t I understand? I’m confused as to what you’re telling me? I’ve seen the film a lot and know everything you typed? Maybe the way I said something in the video just wasn’t conveyed to you properly? Unsure.
@@NathinOut Perhaps it was I who misunderstood you. Your references to Herc’s godhood meaning he can’t die, and citing his surviving the river of souls as proof that nothing could kill him gave me the impression you were claiming he couldn’t die under any circumstances. But if you’re just saying that Hercules’ very brief time as a god is the state in which he’d go on this hypothetical KH adventure since that’s technically the height of his powers, my apologies. Though I’d argue that canonically Hercules doesn’t really have the opportunity to go on a KH adventure within the window of his full godhood!
That’s what I was doing with him on this scenario. I mentioned in the video I would use each Disney character at their best. Glad we could clear that up though.
You forgot about team Pinocchio with Geppetto and Figaro XD Cool idea, I feel like KH2 with the organization in the mix could beat most of the Disney teams but could be interesting
Ngl I think you’re underselling Beast here, dude is a 12 foot tall powerhouse and the only reason Gaston got the upper hand on him was because Beast was holding back and was also depressed as fuck. Beast in KH1 was shown to be so strong of heart that he literally traversed the darkness without a Gummi Ship essentially through sheer force of willpower, ain’t no way anything short of Hollow Bastion is stopping him and honestly I think if he tried against Riku enough he’d beast him as well. Lumiere and Cogsworth are pretty worthless party members though lol.
Not sure I agree with this. This implies Beast was holding back against Riku. Anytime Belle’s safety has been in question the Beast has never held back. Riku even taunts Beast, that to save Belle he has to get through him. I don’t believe he was holding back, that would be out of character. As for Clayton, Beast in film has never shown any speeds capable of dodging bullets plus stealth sneak would make it hard for him to get to Clayton. Cerberus is way to big and strong for Beast to hold off. Even if I was generous and said he could hold back 1 head the other 2 would tear into him. Strong willpower doesn’t necessarily mean he gets a boost to speed and strength. It just means his heart was strong enough to not succumb and his love for Belle will never waver.
@@NathinOut I'm just saying Beast probably could've beaten Riku with enough perseverance. He failed once, got right back up and went at it again. The fantastical feats of strength needed to defeat Cerberus or Stealth Sneak are irrelevant imo because Kingdom Hearts is about expression of one's heart to see things through to the end. Sora is a normal ass kid by all accounts of things and him doing crazy anime flips and magic and stuff is just the gameplay expressing how strong his goofy ass heart and willpower truly are. I know the point of the video is just assessing the character's strengths in their original media, but I find evaluating their fighting capabilities strictly removed from the core means by which Kingdom Hearts operates a bit weird. I suppose by this logic one could say none of the characters could solo KH1 then because the only reason Sora becomes so powerful is because he was chosen to use a Keyblade because his heart is THAT STRONG, the Keyblade is the only reason how and why Sora can use magic and get fuckin' shot to the face with an elephant rifle, and noone else in the game was chosen but I guess I'm looking at the whole thing from a Bit of Column A and B perspective here lol.
I think that Chicken Little, from the hit 2005 animated masterpiece Chicken Little could solo every enemy and boss in the series, no teammates required
If we added the TV series into the mix, I think Tarzan would fare better. I wouldn't say he's able to take down Ansem, but I think he could handle everything up to and including Dragon Malificent, Atlantica excluded. Riku-Ansem? No, that's where his run ends.
I just want to note with KH3, I did a critical run and I found this really funny that Herc was getting one shot in quite a few fights, but Marshmallow from Arendelle was tanking more hits than a literal demigod.
Given the rules and restrictions Genie has to follow, even when freed. All it would take for team Al to fail is for Aladin to be sniped in a fight by any heartless since he’s the only one in the trio with a heart to steal. Though given the nature of hearts, perhaps Xehanort could even overpower Hercules by just swarming him with pureblood heartless.
True, but that could go for all.the teams, we are looking at the characters at their best, and probably excluding situations where they get just plain unlucky
It makes sense that Jafar is so strong as a genie since he made the wish to become an all powerful genie, and that's the exact wording he used. Jack and his crew probably wouldn't even really try to go through kingdom hearts. The heartless are pretty chill in Halloween Town, and personally, I'd replace zero with the doctor. The doctor can create things to help them, and with Jack being undead it's gonna be hard for anyone to kill him, and he can definitely survive underwater because he doesn't need air. There was also a game Oogie's revenge that is considered a canon sequel to the movie, at least last i checked and he gets many more fighting abilities in that game
An interesting thought experiment / follow up would be shuffling the captains and trying to create a set of teams where every one passes. Since technically Sora’s team from his world is Sora/Riku/Kairi and Donald and Goofy should be Mickey’s teammates, but they get switched in traverse town. So like how Donald and Goofy have to stay together, you have to keep all the non-captain pairs together, but try to give each one a captain where the bad captains get carried by good teammates and vice versa. For example, since Jack is a pretty weak captain, giving him Genie (and I guess Capret) would make him pass.
It’s weird because they used to have fun fights in the 3rd act of their films like Aladdin, Beauty & Beast, Mulan etc but none of the new films really kept that going. I don’t get why and I miss that. Closest thing was Big Hero 6.
Sora, Cloud and Hercules. Perfect team. We need to make a KH team with 1 KH character, 1 Final Fantasy/Other Square ENIX characters, and 1 Disney character.
Would love to see this idea for the other KH games, and prehaps also, which disney villains could beat their KH games? If they wanted to save thwir worlds from org XIII because they couldn't achive thwir personal goals if wiped out
I think Jack got low balled here, if we take the fact that he's the scariest guy around to the logical conclusion he'd find a way to scare the opponents he'd be up against, at the least the ones that are still human. He'd struggle against Heartless bosses for sure, but he's agile and clever given how he was able to evade Oogie Boogies traps. Ultimately, though, i think his team members hold him back just a little bit since Sally has no combat capabilities, and Zero is a doggo
If you’re going to use Tarzan, definitely check out his book feats. Dude’s a master of stealth, and pretty handy at trap-making too, which he often demonstrates to horrifying effect.
I think the only ones theoretically capable of opening new paths and maybe at a stretch, sealing keyholes is Genie on Aladdin's team, he does make his own keyblade in KH2 as a summon, and has his own drive forms But thats only if you want to count KH2's version of summmons as part of a character's kit, even withiut it though, Genie oucld probably still bget his team.to the other worlds with his phenomenal cosmic power And yeah, ariel's team has some major issue with the whole "on land" thing, even if we gave them.king triton instead of flouder, they'd struggle.... Edit: glad to see the triton team addressed, since we see urdual increase her sixe and empower herself i do think triton could do the same to empower Ariel and Eric so that those two stand a chance, and i do think triton could also defeat Riku, who comes of as strong, but reckless in KH 1, they arnt beating ansem though
Then you have the Final Fantasy character team, Squall, Yuffie, Cloud (no Aerith, because of what happens to canon Aerith.). They clear very easily (even the Atlantica level, due to the existence of the underwater materia.).
The only thing I object to with this concept is restricting the characters to the abilities they had in the films. In the KH setting it seems natural that characters would be able to learn magic and other abilities, just like Sora, Donald and Goofy did, as long as they have the inclination and talent to do so. After all they literally do that when they are your companions/ summons. For the most part I don't think that really changes anything. Ariel being able to bust out thunder or aero isn't going to put her an even playing field against Maleficent or Ansem. Even Jack's spells, which I remember as being pretty cool wouldn't propel him much further imo. But I think they could get quite a bit further.
My suggestion for if you do this again is that, if the canon version of a character can't clear, you do a second analysis that accounts for the abilities they have in their own worlds in KH to see if that would get them farther. For example, I can't see the canon version of Simba making it past the first chapter of KH2 Olympus (at least Land of Dragons chapter 1 is doable since the main matchup is a fucking lion against a stronger-than-average human in Shan-Yu), but if you account for his participation in the fight against a Heartless-ghost-Scar who had magical powers, and assume Nala could equal that strength since she overpowered Simba when neither of them recognized the other, a Team Simba that includes her might be able to beat Cerberus.
you know - I think that peter given a third ACTUAL ally and not wendy probably deals with riku. Granted I have no idea who to give him, but if he had litterally *any* kind of backup he probably could. Still don't think he can actually deal with ansem though.
@@NintendoSegaGuys probably not... Peter pan requires help from someone outside of his 'world' (He can probably carry 'heh' beast through riku imo - but even given that he doesn't beat ansem...) Actually if I'm allowed to grab Hook (as far as I'm concerned same world) Rufio might be enough ... So yes the lost boys (assuming we are going by hook logic) would have been better
@@pacattack2586hook could work if we considered him, since he could keep riku busy while Peter gets off potshots, Also, Tinkerbell, if we account for her own movies, could create a gadget of some sorts that would allow her to be a more capable fighter, possibly using long range projectiles or pixie dus They still wouldn't beat ansem though.
Do you think the teams that I said could make it don’t? You mean the one with the literal unkillable god or the one with an all-powerful immortal being? I’ll be honest, I think they can probably eke out wins.
Dont forget, in aladdin the movie, Jafar wishes to be the most powerful sorcerer in the world. So hes already super hax even b4 he becomes a genie. I head cannon thats why hes so much stronger in return of jarfar.
Okay, ya got me. I wasn’t feeling this. I just had it on in the background while I was cleaning. I felt like it was silly to think about hem in their movie forms. But after we got through Team Herc, I was sold. I’d love to hear this for all the games. Also, question about team Ariel - could Triton bestow powers upon her or Eric? That might be a game changer.
Now I wish Riku had a genuine boss encounter with King Triton, and that the latter faced off against Jafar like Herc did. Since the two teams who cleared did so with a godlike being, is it fair to say Triton is notoriously shy of that?
Teams for a kh2 version would be Mulan and 2 of her/Ping's fellow solders, captain Li Shang would be busy ; Beast, Cogsworth and either Lumiere or Mrs Potts; Hercules, Pegasus and Auron; Aladdin, Genie and Abu; Simba, Tamone and Puba & Captian Jack Sparrow, Will and Mr Gibbs (Elizabeth a hostage during first visit) You could add Hayner, Pence and Olete as a non disney wild card team
I think out of these teams, only team Al could make it in KH2, Xemnas is a serious problem for everyone else, and genie should be able to put up a great fight and maybe even beat him
ok not to be THAT guy @2:07 but i believe it was stated that outside their own worlds [aka universes because thats what worlds are.] god like powers hold 0 effect, so while yes herc would floor ansem he'd lose his god like powers after he leaves the coliseum arena and onto tarzans arena. like i know you are taking disney lore only into account but if you are gunna have them fighting heartless and other characters then i feel like its only fair to hold them to the same rules as kingdom hearts would. like if you take the movie characters from their movies and put them into a kh battlefield. i am aware this comment is probably gunna get removed, but i feel like story and lore based stuff in kh should be applied to the characters as well. its only fair. i mean unless you are dragging the heartless into their worlds and having them fight [exclusively in their universe, in which case go ham i guess.]
I wonder if, since the Sora team gets to be transformed when they enter the atlantis world, could that apply to other characters? could that allow some teams who were disqualified for being unable to breath water to make it?
When Oogie Boogie tried to dump Santa and Sally into the lava, Jack jumped onto the contraption, untied them, and got them both to safety, all within about 5 seconds, and yet still had enough time to get back onto the contraption and strike a pose before Oogie saw him. So he was not lacking in the speed department. And given how scared Oogie was, he had to have been pretty strong as well. The Pumpkin King was no slouch.
Yeah i think the issue was most of his best feats are in side media which i don't know if the creator of this video knows about or wanted to use since it's not directly in the movie. Like the ps2 game and other examples.
It's also worth mentioning how ruthless Jack can be. For the most part, Jack is a very kind and generous person. He's probably one of the nicest people in Hallowween town and that's saying something, because in the intro to the movie they mention how everybody is 'not mean'. So after everything has gone wrong and finds out what Oogie Boogie did, he skins Oogie alive and watches as the remains boiling in lava.
@Thenonymous1 Jack is kind but he can also be cruel. We also see when people speak up against him and don't immediately cowtow to him(the mayor) he scares them, (Boogie's Boys)
@@Thenonymous1 It's surprising how little consideration is given to Jack being the self-defined "Master of Fright." The guy could straight-up traumatize someone if he wanted to and there's very little to say he doesn't have it in him. Most Disney heroes will at least attempt to reason with or try to make some concerned effort to save their villains from themselves. No encounter with Oogie has seen Jack even consider that, it's been absolutely nothing but contempt, and while we've never seen the "canon" (i.e. movie universe) interpretation of what caused such contempt, the fact that Jack eliminated him the very first time Oogie gave him a reason shows that he's absolutely not above permanently solving a problem.
If Jack had his soul rubber he would have gotten farther
Let's not forget Dr. Finkelstein could easily craft him new gadgets if needed.
*robber and further, lmao
*" SOUL ROBBBERRR "*
PREACH
A deadly arsenal of magical powers AND a soul rubber? Jack has this lowdiff.
8:35 "Sebastian can't take out anything unless it's a chef Heartless"
I FRIGGIN' DIED
KH Genie could ALSO theoretically seal keyholes. In KH2, he's shown to have the ability to use his own Keyblade and Drive Forms (granted, he's copying Sora). Given his power, I wouldn't think it'd be totally impossible for him to seal a keyhole if he was asked.
I don't think Genie's keyblade is real, it has no keychain
@@jennytulls6369 Genie *is* the Keychain
Swap Sally and Zero out for Santa and Dr. Finklestein, and you've got a team of hardcore inventors who can engineer their way out of any situation. Santa also has the power to travel anywhere, even implied by the fact that Sora knows of him.
don’t get rid of sally! she is like the smartest person in halloween town
Team Al is basically...
Genie: I use my semi-phenomenal nearly cosmic power to make all the problems go away.
Aladdin: And I can tell him how to do so without accidentally making new problems in the process.
Carpet: *waves a tassel*
Genie: That translates to "And I can keep Al out of danger so he has time to figure out how to best tackle the problem".
Don't forget the Genie would also turn into a blue talking carpet to do so XD
Genie could probably even get the team to the other worlds as well, he might not be able to open new pathways like Sora, but his magic has shown to do a heck of a lot of improbable things,
((If his KH2 summon was included here, he could maybe even seal keyholes as he makes his own keyblade and can replicate the drive forms))
Nah I think you nailed it if you are going purely off of movie canon. While I do think some of these characters would have a good chance if they were thrust into the worlds of KH with in universe powerrups being possible (like I could absolutely see Ariel or Aladdin unlocking a keyblade, unlocking magic, etc.), but if we are keeping things straight, then most of them really can't do it.
Adding party members for each main character was a nice touch! Gets the mind going, and some of them needed it!
there are a couple of dubiously canon Nightmare Before Christmas games that showcase Jack's ability to fight, and even in Nightmare he's portrayed as someone Oogie fears going up against directly and I feel like it'd be more than just "jack goes boo so scary" kind of fear. I think he stands a chance, but even at his best I don't think he can clear. And as you said this is going off movie canon so it doesn't really work to reach for that.
Also yeah i'd be down to hear this for the other games.
(well okay they're only "dubiously canon" because there's never going to be anything resembling an official follow-up to NBC, but the games are both a prequel and a sequel story to the movie so I guess they're as much canon as we're ever gonna get until Disney greenlights a nostalgic cash grab sequel next year, calling that now, jsut watch)
If I'm being honest, I 100% disagree with Team Jack not making it through. Lets not forget their inherent abilities. Below are my reasons:
- They can't be killed, as they are undead. They could just continually throw attacks, however weak they are, to *eventually* kill any boss they encounter. (EDIT: Even if you don't know how to fight, there are inherit abilities that allow you to fight, even if you don't know how to do it *properly.* For example, if you don't know Martial Arts, that doesn't mean you don't know how to make a fist and punch someone or slap the crap out of them.)
- They have NO heart for the same reason they can't be killed, so they can't be transformed into Heartless.
- Since they are undead, they don't need to breathe so Atlantica is no problem
- Jack does fight (sorta), in this battle: ua-cam.com/video/uwlM46Olwbc/v-deo.html where (SPOILERS FOR NIGHTMARE BEFORE CHRISTMAS), he saved Santa and defeated Oogie Boogie. While he didn't throw any punches, he did dodge quite well, due to his incredibly limber body.
- Also I believe NathinOut downplayed Zeros abilities. He is a ghost, so he can prevent or allow physical objects to pass through him, or pass through them himself. Also, he *did* mention that he can posses things, which again, I believe was downplayed. He could posses people, which may not work on people like Maleficent or Ansem, it would 100% do a lot of carrying, as Zero could posses powerful Heartless, and just use it. Now, the question stands that if Maleficent or Ansem could just unsummon the heartless, but maybe not because Zero is possessing it. It all depends and hinges on how powerful of a spirit Zero is, which is never confirmed (as far as I know).
That is just my opinion! And what I believe to be right, if you think I'm wrong, let me know! I love a good debate! :)
Honestly I more or less agree. Hercules even without his immortality is an extremely powerful character and as for Aladdin in many ways he is very similar to Sora. In fact I could see a scenario where Ansem is able to neutralize genie but Aladdin still gets the win by tricking Ansem to opening the door to Kingdom Hearts destroying him much like how he tricked Jafar in his own movie into wishing himself into a genie so he could seal him away.
Never underestimate the charisma stat.
It got Donkey past the dragon in Shrek.
I kinda wish there was more "clever, not violent character would be able to navigate this villain with a Trick" more than like, just measuring these fights like they were arm wrestling contests, but also that kinda comes with the territory.
I can absolutely see any of these teams beating Jafar (....ok maybe not Beast), even if most of them obviously wouldnt be doing so via just overpowering him. Any one of the Z tier characters can probably be useful in a scheme to get the lamp away from Iago.
I could also imagine some of the more kind hearted characters talking Riku down, or at least preventing him from directly killing the strongest character in their groups. Like, i can imagine Wendy stopping Riku from finishing off Peter in a way that Sora (and his own rival history) couldnt
....i dont know if that can beat Ansem at the end, but theres a lot more interesting potential stories here than just whos got the best fighter on their team.
Aladdin fought Hercules to a standstill in the animated series. Even without Genie he consistently fights way above his weight class and comes out on top. Triton I think you massively underestimate. He is a God related to Hercules (Poseidon is his dad) he likely has pretty amazing combat abilities that would take down Riku and has the immortality of godhood (Ursula doesn't kill him. Just transforms him. Hes a god so she likely cant kill him.) We just dont see him fight in the movies because he surrenders without a fight to protect ariel due to the contract
*Hercules and Genie meeting up in front of the door to darkness. They're both alone. Herc has a bloodied sword in his hand, and is extremely exhausted*
Herc: Step aside, Genie. I gotta close that door.
Genie: Not happening, pal. I need that door there open.
Herc: What? No, that's wrong, why would you...? Nevermind, just let me through. The worlds call for a hero.
*Genie summons a group of bandits that stop Hercules on his track*
Genie: ...You know, for all the cosmic powers we genies possess, even we find ourselves powerless to stop the ones we love from dying. Did you know there are key-shaped swords that can open up people's hearts? I sure didn't. But my pal, Al... he found out, the hard way. Not even carpet could save him, even though she tried. Oh, yes, she tried...
Herc: Genie! stop this!
Genie: There are rules for the kinda things we do, you know. We can summon the most incredible powers any world has ever seen, but we cannot bring back the dead. We don't... But, what lies beyond that door... Now that's a different story.
Herc: Genie, don't make me stop you. You don't have to do this. I've lost friends too, along the way, but that doesn't mean...
*A giant foot stomps the bandits, right in front of Herc*
Genie: I don't think you quite realize what you're in for. So settle down and let me illuminate... the possibilities.
Due to Kingdom Hearts’s lore, no Disney character in existence is strong or fast enough to fight Kingdom Hearts characters. For example, Hercules from KH would beat Hercules from the movie with zero difficulty. Being fast enough to move in a timeless realm puts KH as a whole above about every Disney movie character
Pretty much this, the only one who even remotely comes close would be like Rapunzel because of the series and statements from Chris Sonnenburg but even then she has no real way to defend herself against insane conceptual madness characters can pull off in Kingdom Hearts.
Team Herc has an unexpected advantage in Atlantica in that King Triton is a son of Poseidon, and is thus his cousin. He could quickly try and meet up with him and strike a deal to let him and his friends breathe underwater.
Gotta agree with this list especially considering that most Disney movie characters just aren't ment to be taken as fighters, much less strong enough for kingdom hearts
Except jack, who skinned his villain alive and watched as he fell into lava and did nothing as santa squished what was left
I got excited that this was a mod of the game for a minute
Hear me out on an alternative partner for Beast-- Mademoiselle Grand-Bouche, aka the frickin linebacker wardrobe lady. Granted they would still lose but it would give them some extra power until then.
My one caveat for Herc: the heartless could still potentially steal his heart. Could you imagine a god turned into a heartless? But he’s strong enough he could keep from getting hurt by them.
The souls in the river Styx couldn't take him, I don't think the heartless have much chance of doing so
I don’t think it do much(?) a heartless strength is based on the darkness in one’s heart, I.e. how evil they are. I can see him having a really strong Nobody tho
Fun idea but, seeing the title I assumed this would be a video of you modding the game to try to clear it with all of the temporary party members
Still hoping to see "Can Ratchet and Clank survive Dead Space?" with the restriction being Ratchet and Clank only have access to the Omni-Wrench and base armor from Rift Apart, and all of the gadgets that help with exploration from the main series aka Ratchet and Clank all the way to Rift Apart at the start and have to utilize the weapons, powers, armor upgrades, and weapon upgrade workbenches that Issac finds throughout the Ishimura.
How about Mickey Mouse himself? Discounting King Mickey because that's too OP and he'd win easier than Sora did, if we took Mickey's animated history into account, could he clear Kingdom Hearts?
As for Jack. I think the doctor could whip up a contraption to fight the heartless.
Soul robber, batterang, frog’s breath, Jack o lantern bombs, pumpkin king form, Santa Jack with weaponized trap presents like the vampire doll, etc. sally could probably do some magic and zero is support magic
Even if Gaston for some reason joined Team Beast, the only thing coming out of that is a shootout between him and Clayton. Weakest Hail Britannia vs your Strongest La Marseillaise.
Indeed so, though I think with Gaston they could also clear a few of the other worlds, probably not Olympus...
Ok, I'll admit, I just imagined Gaston getting lucky and uppercutting riku into the stratosphere and found that situation somewhat hilarious
I'm now imagining a sniper duel between Gaston and Clayton MGS3 style
@@ultrayoshi100 edit the eggs he juggles with guns instead.
What if Jack had the Soul Robber from his game
You should do a follow up, acknowledging the sequels to each of these characters stories, including other video games like nightmare before Christmas oogies revenge, and perhaps expand teams to 5, the max for kh3. just a definitive peak version of each character with their best teams and items, like giving Peter his best lost boys and some ranged options given he used them in hook. Then, bring it over to chain of memories and the other's in order. And hell, throw the various ff characters into the mix, let's see how many side characters could have done this given keyblades weren't a factor.
I agree Genie sweeps every battle, but Riku who has a keyblade witch as we've seen in kh2, if a strong wielder has can damage Genies. but I still think Aladden would be able to help, so they still win
I think Hercules can go the distance lol
For Beast I know this doesn't help much but. "The enemy of my enemy is my friend"
Gaston would be Beasts teammate.
Both are motivated by Belles safety its the heart of it, even if Gaston's motives are utterly selfish and hates beast with all his guts over how could Belle possibly choose HIM over "his greatness"
That being said, Cerberus would probably be the same way, sadly no firearm in Beauty and the Beasts time peroid that Gaston could bring from home on the go would have the grit to pierce that hide or that skull of the dog maybe except an eye....
One of 6.
And god knows we all know how long it takes to load a blunderbuss.
It would be.....a.....tense partnership
Jack Skellington is friends with everyone in Halloween Town, including Oogie Boogey & Dr Frankenstein, and whould probably have them on his team instead of Sally and Zero
Emperor's new groove and stitch needs to be a new world's alongside princess and the frog, Wall E, Coco, incredibles, and Treasure Planet.
I really appreciate the SNES version of "Friend Like Me" from that version of Aladdin. That soundtrack does not get enough love.
How is your Thanksgiving?
I would love to see who gets to challenge Kingdom Hearts 2, but I fear that the endgame's power scale would be higher and wipe everyone... I mean, Xemnas and the Organization XIII are no joke compared to Riku.
i think genie is the only person in KH2 who stands a chance against Xemnas TBH
If we're going to use outside-of-movie canon media, there's a pre-Nightmare Before Christmas video game where Jack very much does fighting, albeit with the assistance of some green goo hand tether thing that the scientist guy cooked up. Still, it's how he got the title of Pumpkin King, even having taken on giant Oogie Boogie. Specifically with this added he'd probably get through the first few worlds - with no help from his party - but would still ultimately fail in the long run.
Two things,
First, your boi Jack has one trick up gis sleeve, in one of rhe KH games, he has heartless dancing alongside him, while this was a cutscene in KH, he does this without any KH amps, so he could potentially scare/ charm lesser heartless to his side and have a bit of an army for boss fights, not enough to beat the heavy hitters, but it means he can at least get out of traverse town and maybe wonderland and deep jungle,
And for triton, if Ursula could grow herself giant with the tridant, i see no reason triton couldn't do the same due to being more experienced with it, as well as amping Ariel and Eric, with this in mind, they could actually beat Riku and dragon malecifant and maybe even Ansem
Yes, Ansem has a big ship, but Triton has a preety big laser as well
Even if Aladdin didn't wish for Genie's freedom (until, say, after the Genie Jafar fight), he could just wish for Genie to help him run the gauntlet and that counts as one wish for Genie to carry out in the manner he sees fit.
Beast rips through dudes. Lumiere lights dudes on fire. Cogsworth... is trying his best.
Crazy old Maurices wood chopping machine
Jacks prequel and sequel games not being brought into the discussion literally robbed him! He does so much fighting D: Dudes literally Bayonetta
Beast didn't want to fight Gastan he was sad he chose love but when he saw Belle he went full beast mode. You should reevaluate Beast
Umm Jack had his own game with Devil may cry style combat…
I thought this video was going to be about different kh Disney party members being in three man teams, like Jack, Peter and Aladdin lol.
I think king Neptune could have cleared with his transmutation magic,
If Ursala was turning people into homunculi i think king Neptune could do worse.
It is ridiculous that Sora is more powerful than Hercules (not physically, but in general, including magic), yet they say that he is not yet a hero. Sora even saved the universe several times.
A paradox: in Kingdom Hearts 2 his image appeared in the sky, indicating that he is now a hero, but in Kingdom Hearts 3 people still say he is not a hero (like the girl that he rescued in Thebes).
Your casual Greek myth level pettiness or something
Pretty sure it's because she's just a random civilian who hasn't heard of Sora's exploits. Because, let's be honest, why would she know?
The ending of OC in KH2 made it pretty clear they've become heroes (while the gods poked fun at Phil at the same time, as the greek gods do)
What about counting their "Canon" appearances in other Disney games that allowed them to fight?
I remember some Disney mobile game where Ariel has the trident and fights so maybe there's something there?
Idk lol
Im sure people have already pointed this out, but jack could SOLO everyone in the kh universe if he was like he was in the devil may cry style will game. Provided he skips atlantica since he wouldn't be buoyant enough to swim.
I think he forgot that Jack cannot did because he’s already dead so he may not win every fight but he can always come back swinging.
I disagree with almost all of this, but only because Wonderland would stop every team and the fact that it didn't stop Sora is a mystery of itself.
Btw, Hercules gave up Godhood to be with Meg.
I think the genie could get team al through wonderland,
And the video did say they were using each Disney character at their best in canon, which for herc is his time as a god
Yup, I want KH2 and KH3's team ups.
Important to remember: basically every relevant character in KH is significantly stronger than their movie version by virtue of needing to be strong enough to at least keep up with Sora, who scales to the gods in terms of overall stats and capability by the end of the game (beating Hercules, the Ice Titan, and Hades, as well as Disney Satan before facing Ansem). For example, Prince Adam (Beast) being able to physically contend with Xaldin _at all_ is a testament to just how much stronger he is than his movie version.
These characters accomplish this either through magic, or by buffing themselves with the powers of light or darkness or some other third thing, and they can use these powers to disrupt the natural order of other worlds, like how Sora literally killed a genie and the immortal ghost pirates.
I feel a revised version including their buffs is needed. Jack has 2 games on gba and PS2 where he has weapons and magic, SOul Robber would make quick work out of every enemy. Ariel has expanded lore in her animated series, she's the granddaughter of Poseidon yet they do nothing with that. Her being a demigoddess puts her at least near Hercules when it comes to strength, not to mention adding waterbending on top of that with the spells she casts in KH1. Actually, a video on each princess of heart being the protagonist with the Keyblade would be interesting, I include Ariel in this because Alice being one instead of her or Mulan is ridiculous.
You misunderstood Hercules’ mortality. The potion robbed him of his godhood and immortality, but he retained his strength. Throughout the film he was mortal, only achieving full godhood at the climax by proving himself a true hero in risking his life for Meg’s. He then declines his godhood in favor of remaining mortal on earth.
Um what didn’t I understand? I’m confused as to what you’re telling me? I’ve seen the film a lot and know everything you typed? Maybe the way I said something in the video just wasn’t conveyed to you properly? Unsure.
@@NathinOut Perhaps it was I who misunderstood you. Your references to Herc’s godhood meaning he can’t die, and citing his surviving the river of souls as proof that nothing could kill him gave me the impression you were claiming he couldn’t die under any circumstances. But if you’re just saying that Hercules’ very brief time as a god is the state in which he’d go on this hypothetical KH adventure since that’s technically the height of his powers, my apologies. Though I’d argue that canonically Hercules doesn’t really have the opportunity to go on a KH adventure within the window of his full godhood!
That’s what I was doing with him on this scenario. I mentioned in the video I would use each Disney character at their best. Glad we could clear that up though.
@@NathinOutHow is your Thanksgiving?
I’m not American so it’s not thanksgiving for me sadly. Canada has thanksgiving earlier than America does. I hope your thanksgiving is going great.
You forgot about team Pinocchio with Geppetto and Figaro XD Cool idea, I feel like KH2 with the organization in the mix could beat most of the Disney teams but could be interesting
Bad news, unfortunately, I don't think team Pinocchio even clears Travers town first visit, they are the second worst team here, sadly
I know your joking 😂 but now I would love to see Pinocchio lie so fast his nose grows at the speed of light and impales anything in his way.
Tarzan after KH1 credits: "AHHhhhh"
I would absolutely *love* to see this for the other games.
Ngl I think you’re underselling Beast here, dude is a 12 foot tall powerhouse and the only reason Gaston got the upper hand on him was because Beast was holding back and was also depressed as fuck. Beast in KH1 was shown to be so strong of heart that he literally traversed the darkness without a Gummi Ship essentially through sheer force of willpower, ain’t no way anything short of Hollow Bastion is stopping him and honestly I think if he tried against Riku enough he’d beast him as well. Lumiere and Cogsworth are pretty worthless party members though lol.
Not sure I agree with this. This implies Beast was holding back against Riku. Anytime Belle’s safety has been in question the Beast has never held back. Riku even taunts Beast, that to save Belle he has to get through him. I don’t believe he was holding back, that would be out of character. As for Clayton, Beast in film has never shown any speeds capable of dodging bullets plus stealth sneak would make it hard for him to get to Clayton. Cerberus is way to big and strong for Beast to hold off. Even if I was generous and said he could hold back 1 head the other 2 would tear into him. Strong willpower doesn’t necessarily mean he gets a boost to speed and strength. It just means his heart was strong enough to not succumb and his love for Belle will never waver.
@@NathinOut I'm just saying Beast probably could've beaten Riku with enough perseverance. He failed once, got right back up and went at it again. The fantastical feats of strength needed to defeat Cerberus or Stealth Sneak are irrelevant imo because Kingdom Hearts is about expression of one's heart to see things through to the end. Sora is a normal ass kid by all accounts of things and him doing crazy anime flips and magic and stuff is just the gameplay expressing how strong his goofy ass heart and willpower truly are. I know the point of the video is just assessing the character's strengths in their original media, but I find evaluating their fighting capabilities strictly removed from the core means by which Kingdom Hearts operates a bit weird.
I suppose by this logic one could say none of the characters could solo KH1 then because the only reason Sora becomes so powerful is because he was chosen to use a Keyblade because his heart is THAT STRONG, the Keyblade is the only reason how and why Sora can use magic and get fuckin' shot to the face with an elephant rifle, and noone else in the game was chosen but I guess I'm looking at the whole thing from a Bit of Column A and B perspective here lol.
@NathinOut lets see if sora can beat kaos army
I think that Chicken Little, from the hit 2005 animated masterpiece Chicken Little could solo every enemy and boss in the series, no teammates required
If we added the TV series into the mix, I think Tarzan would fare better. I wouldn't say he's able to take down Ansem, but I think he could handle everything up to and including Dragon Malificent, Atlantica excluded. Riku-Ansem? No, that's where his run ends.
I just want to note with KH3, I did a critical run and I found this really funny that Herc was getting one shot in quite a few fights, but Marshmallow from Arendelle was tanking more hits than a literal demigod.
I would like to see who would survive Kingdom Hearts 2 and 3, as well as the non-numbered KH titles
Given the rules and restrictions Genie has to follow, even when freed. All it would take for team Al to fail is for Aladin to be sniped in a fight by any heartless since he’s the only one in the trio with a heart to steal. Though given the nature of hearts, perhaps Xehanort could even overpower Hercules by just swarming him with pureblood heartless.
True, but that could go for all.the teams, we are looking at the characters at their best, and probably excluding situations where they get just plain unlucky
I have a fun one......could stitch clear KH 1?
I am off the opinion 100%, stitch has the durability, strength and intelligence to pull it off.
I imagine stitch looking at Atlantica and getting a heart attack. But I do think stitch is awesome.
@@NathinOut scary thing is.....he might just take his ships under the water XD
Yeah, absolutely interested in other KH videos
I think that king triton would be able to communicate with Zeus and ask for power for traveling worlds
Jack does have his own dmc style game he fights in
It makes sense that Jafar is so strong as a genie since he made the wish to become an all powerful genie, and that's the exact wording he used.
Jack and his crew probably wouldn't even really try to go through kingdom hearts. The heartless are pretty chill in Halloween Town, and personally, I'd replace zero with the doctor. The doctor can create things to help them, and with Jack being undead it's gonna be hard for anyone to kill him, and he can definitely survive underwater because he doesn't need air. There was also a game Oogie's revenge that is considered a canon sequel to the movie, at least last i checked and he gets many more fighting abilities in that game
An interesting thought experiment / follow up would be shuffling the captains and trying to create a set of teams where every one passes. Since technically Sora’s team from his world is Sora/Riku/Kairi and Donald and Goofy should be Mickey’s teammates, but they get switched in traverse town. So like how Donald and Goofy have to stay together, you have to keep all the non-captain pairs together, but try to give each one a captain where the bad captains get carried by good teammates and vice versa. For example, since Jack is a pretty weak captain, giving him Genie (and I guess Capret) would make him pass.
It's a shame Disney is too cowardly to let their characters have real fights during confontations in the movies.
It’s weird because they used to have fun fights in the 3rd act of their films like Aladdin, Beauty & Beast, Mulan etc but none of the new films really kept that going. I don’t get why and I miss that. Closest thing was Big Hero 6.
I like when people call it "Trâv-ūrs town" even though its "Traverse."
Feels good
Sora, Cloud and Hercules. Perfect team.
We need to make a KH team with 1 KH character, 1 Final Fantasy/Other Square ENIX characters, and 1 Disney character.
This is a great start to a series, friend.
I would like to see another kh video like this with kh2 disney characters.
Would love to see this idea for the other KH games, and prehaps also, which disney villains could beat their KH games? If they wanted to save thwir worlds from org XIII because they couldn't achive thwir personal goals if wiped out
I think Jack got low balled here, if we take the fact that he's the scariest guy around to the logical conclusion he'd find a way to scare the opponents he'd be up against, at the least the ones that are still human. He'd struggle against Heartless bosses for sure, but he's agile and clever given how he was able to evade Oogie Boogies traps. Ultimately, though, i think his team members hold him back just a little bit since Sally has no combat capabilities, and Zero is a doggo
If you’re going to use Tarzan, definitely check out his book feats. Dude’s a master of stealth, and pretty handy at trap-making too, which he often demonstrates to horrifying effect.
I think the only ones theoretically capable of opening new paths and maybe at a stretch, sealing keyholes is Genie on Aladdin's team, he does make his own keyblade in KH2 as a summon, and has his own drive forms
But thats only if you want to count KH2's version of summmons as part of a character's kit, even withiut it though, Genie oucld probably still bget his team.to the other worlds with his phenomenal cosmic power
And yeah, ariel's team has some major issue with the whole "on land" thing, even if we gave them.king triton instead of flouder, they'd struggle....
Edit: glad to see the triton team addressed, since we see urdual increase her sixe and empower herself i do think triton could do the same to empower Ariel and Eric so that those two stand a chance, and i do think triton could also defeat Riku, who comes of as strong, but reckless in KH 1, they arnt beating ansem though
Please do more (haven't even finished the video yet lol)
😂 I love your profile picture. Deku face always gets me.
I bet Wendy would get KO by a random heartless attack just saying
Peter Pan wouldn't make it through KH due to lack of attention span. He'd wander off.
Then you have the Final Fantasy character team, Squall, Yuffie, Cloud (no Aerith, because of what happens to canon Aerith.). They clear very easily (even the Atlantica level, due to the existence of the underwater materia.).
Ansem is getting wrecked with Renzokuken and Omnislash.
Oh wanted to say this could you do can epic Mickey (Mickey) survive Kingdom Hearts 1?
I loved your other video.
olympus is as optional as atlantica is.
doesnt help beast winning but i figured i bring it up.
The only thing I object to with this concept is restricting the characters to the abilities they had in the films. In the KH setting it seems natural that characters would be able to learn magic and other abilities, just like Sora, Donald and Goofy did, as long as they have the inclination and talent to do so. After all they literally do that when they are your companions/ summons. For the most part I don't think that really changes anything. Ariel being able to bust out thunder or aero isn't going to put her an even playing field against Maleficent or Ansem. Even Jack's spells, which I remember as being pretty cool wouldn't propel him much further imo. But I think they could get quite a bit further.
My suggestion for if you do this again is that, if the canon version of a character can't clear, you do a second analysis that accounts for the abilities they have in their own worlds in KH to see if that would get them farther.
For example, I can't see the canon version of Simba making it past the first chapter of KH2 Olympus (at least Land of Dragons chapter 1 is doable since the main matchup is a fucking lion against a stronger-than-average human in Shan-Yu), but if you account for his participation in the fight against a Heartless-ghost-Scar who had magical powers, and assume Nala could equal that strength since she overpowered Simba when neither of them recognized the other, a Team Simba that includes her might be able to beat Cerberus.
you know - I think that peter given a third ACTUAL ally and not wendy probably deals with riku. Granted I have no idea who to give him, but if he had litterally *any* kind of backup he probably could. Still don't think he can actually deal with ansem though.
@@pacattack2586 Would the lost boys have been any better?
@@NintendoSegaGuys probably not... Peter pan requires help from someone outside of his 'world' (He can probably carry 'heh' beast through riku imo - but even given that he doesn't beat ansem...)
Actually if I'm allowed to grab Hook (as far as I'm concerned same world) Rufio might be enough ...
So yes the lost boys (assuming we are going by hook logic) would have been better
@@pacattack2586hook could work if we considered him, since he could keep riku busy while Peter gets off potshots,
Also, Tinkerbell, if we account for her own movies, could create a gadget of some sorts that would allow her to be a more capable fighter, possibly using long range projectiles or pixie dus
They still wouldn't beat ansem though.
Tarzan Hercules Jack Skellington Peter Pan Aladdin etc
Do you think the teams that I said could make it don’t? You mean the one with the literal unkillable god or the one with an all-powerful immortal being? I’ll be honest, I think they can probably eke out wins.
Just a comment for the algorithm. Keep up the good work, man
Dont forget, in aladdin the movie, Jafar wishes to be the most powerful sorcerer in the world. So hes already super hax even b4 he becomes a genie. I head cannon thats why hes so much stronger in return of jarfar.
Okay, ya got me. I wasn’t feeling this. I just had it on in the background while I was cleaning. I felt like it was silly to think about hem in their movie forms. But after we got through Team Herc, I was sold. I’d love to hear this for all the games.
Also, question about team Ariel - could Triton bestow powers upon her or Eric? That might be a game changer.
Cool Idea 💡
For a video good job
Now I wish Riku had a genuine boss encounter with King Triton, and that the latter faced off against Jafar like Herc did.
Since the two teams who cleared did so with a godlike being, is it fair to say Triton is notoriously shy of that?
With video games added, Jack makes it to the back 4. But he's not making it past Riku.
Teams for a kh2 version would be
Mulan and 2 of her/Ping's fellow solders, captain Li Shang would be busy ;
Beast, Cogsworth and either Lumiere or Mrs Potts;
Hercules, Pegasus and Auron;
Aladdin, Genie and Abu;
Simba, Tamone and Puba &
Captian Jack Sparrow, Will and Mr Gibbs (Elizabeth a hostage during first visit)
You could add Hayner, Pence and Olete as a non disney wild card team
I think out of these teams, only team Al could make it in KH2,
Xemnas is a serious problem for everyone else, and genie should be able to put up a great fight and maybe even beat him
ok not to be THAT guy @2:07
but i believe it was stated that outside their own worlds [aka universes because thats what worlds are.] god like powers hold 0 effect, so while yes herc would floor ansem he'd lose his god like powers after he leaves the coliseum arena and onto tarzans arena.
like i know you are taking disney lore only into account but if you are gunna have them fighting heartless and other characters then i feel like its only fair to hold them to the same rules as kingdom hearts would.
like if you take the movie characters from their movies and put them into a kh battlefield.
i am aware this comment is probably gunna get removed, but i feel like story and lore based stuff in kh should be applied to the characters as well. its only fair.
i mean unless you are dragging the heartless into their worlds and having them fight [exclusively in their universe, in which case go ham i guess.]
Pls continue this.
I wonder if, since the Sora team gets to be transformed when they enter the atlantis world, could that apply to other characters? could that allow some teams who were disqualified for being unable to breath water to make it?
Can't Lumiere set people on fire? He is a candle after all. It may at least distract Clayton.
You forgot about Jack's Soul Robber!
Awesome idea for a video.