Always a fan of not just your analyses, but the lengths you go to give credit and link sources, provide captions and chapters sections, the whole shebang! It’s really cool especially for someone mostly working solo to share fun discussion, but make it more accessible too \o/
In regards to why Aqua says Mickey abandoned her for 10 years in the Realm of Darkness, she was corrupted by darkness and the corruption was affecting her mind. Warping her thoughts and making her blame Mickey even though he didn't know Aqua was there for all of that time. He only knew for like a year and a half.
Yeah I think you can just take it as her lashing out because he technically could have helped her, even if logically he likely never would have found her by just taking a shot in the dark (pun somewhat intended).
I always saw the BBS trio as having different kinds of "disconnect" from each other. Terra was proud and trusting of Xehanort, which made him upset at Aqua. Ventus has a childish, innocent perspective on things so he doesn't think things through rationally, more so like a younger brother. Aqua was dogshit at explaining herself which didn't help with Terra's Pride and Ventus' childlike perspective. I wouldn't really call them dumb, just young and perhaps ignorant in certain ways.
I can actually explain how this one started, without knowing the context of the rumor. In short, it's the same as the real life version in every Japanese "Seven Wonders of the School," where the steps are counted differently up and down. This happens because going up you count every step up, but the step down from the landing pad is skipped by the brain.
Regarding Ventus not being why Sora can use the Keyblade, I'd also point out that when Aqua meets the two boys on Destiny Islands, she immediately registers that Riku has been given "the power" and deduces that it was Terra who did so. She briefly considers passing the power to generate a Keyblade onto Sora, but decides against it, saying she wouldn't wish "our" (the Wayfinder Trio's) lives on anyone. Since Ventus had already formed a connection with Sora years prior, if Ventus is the reason Sora can use a Keyblade, Aqua should have sensed that potential in him.
Not necessarily the case because Sora was the one who had a big influence on Ven, not the other way. People assume that Ven being the reason Sora can use it is because Ven was actively within Sora's heart which was after the events of BBS
No, Sora and Ventus formed their connection before the events of BBS, when Xehanort took Ventus to the Destiny Islands just after the creation of Vanitas left Ventus in a dying state and he wanted to give Ventus a somewhat respectable death. It was there that Ventus forged a D Link with Sora who was nearby, which is when he suddenly summoned his Keyblade and Xehanort realized that Ventus was going to make it. That's why Vanitas's face looked like Sora's during the final battle of BBS.
Riku was granted the power to wield a keyblade by a keyblade master (whether you believe he earned the title or not) However, nobody said that was the *only* way to earn the right to wield a keyblade.
@@GayLPerhell we know for a fact that doing the ritual isn’t even a guarantee that you’ll get a keyblade, seeing as Riku totally could have never gotten his road to dawn after losing the kingdom key to sora.
Also re: Sora's age, in James Cricket's journal, it states that Hayner, Pence and Ollette are in the same summer vacation as the start of 2 (note! Data Twilight Town's summer vacation does not necessarily line up with Real Twilight Town's vacay) If we combine this with Axel saying summer vacation is "about a month" in Days (and IRL Japanese summer vacation being about 40 days long) we can safely assume no more than 6 weeks pass between Sora waking up in 2 and Sora disappearing at the end of 3.
Just to back up your statement, in the real Twilight Town when Sora, Donald and Goofy wake up and meet the gang Ollette asks them if they finished the summer homework meaning the timeline of the data and real world likely lined up.
@@KingRynoD.LeonhartTMB Oh, for sure, HPO **are** on summer vacation at the start of KH2. I was more pointing out that just because Data!TT is set during the last 7 days of summer vacation, that doesn't necessarily have any bearing on how far along Real!TT's summer vacation is when Sora wakes up.
I honestly don't know how people can assume the whole "Nobodies can regrow their own hearts" thing was a retcon. Like, people don't pay attention to these games. Despite Ansem the Wise early on saying that "A Nobody cannot feel anything." he has been proven wrong time and time again, because some emotions that characters like Axel, Roxas, and the like aren't facsimiles of who they were in their complete selves. It's creating a twist that Xemnas was far more manipulative, gaslighting the Organization into thinking they're hollow to stay in line.
Yes but when you think on it, it makes no sense and is something Nomura just made up as he went along Why would they be stupid enough to be like "huh but I can feel emotions. Like a lot a lot of emotions. That's weird..." But rarely if ever allude to questioning it. People pay attention if they're invested in these games. People also know that Nomura clearly didn't have much of a plan.
@@walter4180 "Yes but when you think on it, it makes no sense and is something Nomura just made up as he went along " KH2FM literally has a scene with Axel going "Roxas are you really sure you don't have a heart? Is it possible that we all have one?" and you think it's something he made up way later? C'mon. There are tons of scenes in KH2 that are meant to make you question if Nobodies really are incapable of having a heart.
@@AudoPlay And in COM when Axel laughs and is shocked that he can genuinely laugh. "Wait... i'm enjoying this!" As he literally puts his hand on his heart as he realizes that. They have been hinting at this literally since the very beginning.
Because nomura and the authors explicitly said it was pretend. Over and over. I remember back in 2007 saying "these are the most emotional people without emotions I've ever seen", but I still have to acknowledge that we had an "official" answer. It was a badly concealed "twist".
I love the TWEWY crew and really hope that they appear again. Thank you for explaining the ages, things gotten more complicated since each world's time flows differently.
It confuses me because at the end of KH3, it shows the 104 building which I thought was only in TWEWY world? Its no wonder people thought it was going to be a thing :(
I love love love the reveal about how Nobodies CAN regrow hearts. It’s such a good twist because it’s been very clear from the start that the Nobodies do exhibit emotion, and while early on you could chalk it up to just playing the part and expressing what how you think you’re supposed to, it’s very obvious that the Seasalt Trio’s feelings in Days are very real. Prior to 3D’s release, it was kind of a meme to bring up how Nobodies “can’t feel” and then immediately show an example of them feeling. So this certainly doesn’t feel out of nowhere like you said. It’s a moment I come back to a lot because of just how good it is. It’s cathartic to reveal that everything you’ve experienced with these characters is real but it also makes Xemnas and the Organization as a concept so much more sinister. It really flips the table and makes numbers 3-14 all victims of a brainwashing cult where they’ve been gaslit in extreme ways. This is good because from this point in the series on, you are meant to sympathize with all the Nobody Organization members. It’s just a lot to think about, spending up to 11 years under the thumb of a cult leader who makes you think you can’t even feel. That’s so messed up. And Sora’s lines and voice work are just fantastic in the scene, he’s so incredibly upset that Xemnas was lying to them all. And the amount of distress he’s in over this reveal makes me love his character even more. He’s so compassionate, shocked, and heartbroken for these people who were being used. Not just for a hollow promise of a goal they could achieve on their own but the fact they were actually being groomed to be used as Xehanort’s meat bag puppets. It’s just. A really good moment. People give 3D a lot a flack but it has some of the best written moments of the series and some of the best tension and stakes. I was never worried truly for Kairi in KH3, but I was worried for Sora in 3D.
I think some beings like Pinocchio, Tron, and Data-Sora also play into this concept. Especially the later, who had to use a data construct of a Keyblade until he eventually found the means - a heart - to manifest his own genuine key.
This sums up my thoughts on it perfectly. When i got into KH i was surprised at how it portrays a cultlike organization so simply but accurately in a children's anime disney game. I wasn't really expecting much depth like that. Plus it lines up with everything we've seen before, they literally scream in fear, get angry, cry, etc. but that's all just "memories"? Maybe if they were only showing a little bit of emotions, but they were basically no different from real people the entire time, so i dont see why its such a stretch to believe they regained their hearts. It felt like it was clearly leading up to that sort of reveal.
@@walter4180 ok so? Just because you didn’t think of something at the absolute start doesn’t mean it’s bad writing? Or if you’re saying someone else thought of it, so? I never said anything about nomura. If he didn’t think of it, whoever did, did a good job.
- In retrospect, Dark Riku's behavior does seem closer to how he acted before he was modified for Sora's part of the story - extra-arrogant and all. So of course he'd be a far cry from Riku Replica's current wisened self. - With Nobodies and hearts, I think it makes sense. Look at the cult-like way that Organization XIII is run - it may be to keep its members from accepting the "self-awareness". Of course, some like Xion, Axel, and then Roxas do end up becoming more and more self-aware, leading them to diverge from the Organization's plans. (And then there's cases of other "empty" beings that develop their own genuine hearts, like Pinocchio, Tron, and Data-Sora.) - What about the misconceptions about Xehanort's goals, which were in his reports in BBS and restated at the end of KH3? How so many people thought he was a "misunderstood good guy"? That's not what I got from it at all - he was well-intentioned, sure, but still an extremist. He thought the universe as it was was too corrupt to be fixed, so the best course of action (in his mind) was to wipe the slate clean and start it all anew. And because it was all already "bad", it didn't matter what bad things he did to it. - ...I think a lot of the misconceptions may have also come from him saying "An empty World, pure and bright", misunderstanding what "pure" usually means in JP-writing.
I really hope this reaches most of the fanbase. I love jokes like Mickey left Aqua for 10 years, but some people really use these misconceptions as canon and then get angry when something they thought was true when they were 15 was never true, and then can't get over it.
I highly doubt they'll listen. Heck, there was even someone going after me after I said that the Disney worlds matter and contributed to the plot. And he said they don't. After sending him to the Disney world video that Mr. Regular made, I got called a fanboy. People just don't wanna accept the facts. All they do is just put their fingers in their ears and go, "lalalalalala can't hear you!"
@@Redxan600 Your criticism can work for both sides. Also, no, Disney worlds do not matter in any game except KH 1. Sora going through worlds in KH3 to kill time until the plot decides it's time for a showdown it's useless and no amount of post rationalization will save your childhood, stop making the work for the writers.
@@pascalsimioli6777 Watch Pat's video about Disney worlds being relevant to the story. After that, watch Titan Trainer video about KH3 Disney worlds being important to the narrative and character development for Sora. If you ignored those and still have that maiden-less behavior, then you're just proving my point.
Honestly I always thought revealing that "Nobodies can have hearts, they're just lied to" was a genius move. Xemnas honestly did not come off as super threatening to me in KIngdom Hearts II and Days. Sure he's a final boss but he didn't get enough time to really shine in comparison to the other more active members. I liked the reframing of him being close to a cult leader. The slow manipulation of Saix whose planning a mutiny who ends up being his right hand man and biggest supporter when he can't rely on Axel is pretty scary. Its also close to how BBS Xehanort acted with Terra. Coldly taking advantage of other's desperation for his own goals. Its also something we know he does in Kingdom Hearts II because he even taunts Sora and Riku about their friendship in his battle lines and goads the Organization members about their pasts during cutscenes. The one scene where he was describing it in detail in such a cold way in Dream Drop Distance really sold me on his character.
In retrospect, looking back at KH2 after Days and especially 3, you get the impression Saix's mutiny went up in flames with Axel's "betrayal" in favor of Roxas. And after that point... he just stopped resisting.
Just hearing anything close to “the rat did nothing wrong” unironically makes my day at this point. At least one guy is on your side, your Majesty! AT LEAST ONE!!
@@gregoryford2532 My standards for people taking the King’s side is so low (due to how many fans genuinely believe this lie as far as I’ve seen) that I can accept that.
I feel like a lot of people's view of Mickey is tainted by him being the icon of a massive corporation whose public opinion has steadily been getting worse and worse. I mean, it's Mickey freakin' Mouse, why would you assume from the get-go that he's egotistical, selfish, lazy, and cruel?
Interesting fun fact about Roxas's ability to dual wield: I don't care about Ventus's keyblade, I will forever hold true to the idea that Roxas's second keyblade is Xion's and he inherited it from her after her death when he took all his power back because it's doubly tragic.
The ones I was most interested to learn were the segments on Dark Riku (Real Org. 13), The Mysterious Voice being Mickey and The Nobody Heart Retcon. For Dark Riku, I fell for the misdirect that he was past Riku possessed by Ansem, but I'm glad I at least knew the Dark Riku in real Riku was the reformed Repliku. For the Mysterious Voice, I can accept it was Mickey, although I guess I sort of liked it being unknown much more. Before, the voice seemed omnipotent and wondrous. Now that I know it's _Michael Mouse_ though...I can't help but feel disappointed. For the Nobody Heart Retcon, I at first thought it was a cheap cop-out. I accepted the fact long ago that Nobodies had no hearts and were indeed acting on emotional-memory, both because it sort of worked out for thematic conveyance and also, it would be boring/uncompelling to watch the unfeeling/robotic alternative in game. _And yet!_ The idea of Xemnas lying to each of his subordinates does in fact have credence, as he has been known to withhold information from them, ala when he sneaks off to visit the Chamber of Repose to talk to Aqua's armor. Because when you find out he lied to the other members about their hearts, you sort of feel like Xemnas lied to us the players too. Adds a curiously villainous feel to him that I can also accept. I tend to doubt it was _always_ the plan, but it does fit.
I would have preferred if it was Rikunort(my name for Dark Riku) instead of Repliku, namely to show how far he has grown from KH1. I mean, how many times did we kick Repliku's ass in CoM?
It should be noted that in the Japanese version of KH1 it's more clear that it's Mickey talking since he talks in the Japanese equivalent of his "Hiya, pal!" voice so it's not really a retcon.
about Anti-Aqua, I think the description on the Journal explicit says that she is Aqua taken by the darkness... no Xehanort mentioned... I mean, if we can't trust on the knowledge of a talking cricket, what would we trust?
Roxas gained the ability to dual wield after Xion, because Xion was using either ven's or sora's keyblade. Remember the mission where you use a stick until ROXAS magically summons another keyblade? To put it simply, Roxas hands Xion sora's keyblade, then eventually learns to summon ven's keyblade. Once xion's dead, roxas regains sora's keyblade, which is why he pops out two kingom keys before he re-chains them (chains i hope get lore expanson some day)
Love the vid, also love the editing in this one. Good info, and good gags. The “Faster!” put over Xemnas’ monologue took me off guard and was particularly funny haha.
Bro really hit us with the Victorious clip of her saying they're all singers when he said they're all Xemnas 💀 I feel like I'm 1 of 5 people that would understand that reference lmao
In relation to the aqua yellow eyes, i see it as the eyes of someone who's given in to darkness, because ansem the wise has yellow eyes after his first trip to the realm of darkness
KH3 has kind of debunked that by making all the Org (and Anti-Aqua's) eyes the same golden gue, while AtW still has orange eyes. That would suggest that Ataw didn't give into darkness the same way Xehanort and Aqua did.
I'm surprised for the Nobody-heart-regrow bit, you didn't include Axel in CoM saying "Hey... wait... I'm enjoying this. You guys ARE something else" while in private, since it confirms that Nobody weren't unable to feel emotions long before DDD.
And he literally puts his hand on his chest as he says it. Yet another scene that basically confirms that this was a concept Nomura had long ago. It was literally in the first game the organization appeared in.
Rather then Mickey, I always thought the voice speaking to Sora was Kingdom Hearts itself. And after learning that the ones in KH and KH2 are artificial, that just solidified that interpretation for me.
I thought it may have been Ventus, but it could very well be someone from Verum Rex or Ux. The voice keeps saying Sora will "open the door," but in KH1 he closed the DTD. He did reopen the DTD to fight Xemnas in KH2, but that event is so minor in the grand scheme of things, it can't have been referring to that. Which means the moment those words are foreshadowing haven't happened yet...
@@chrisdaughen5257 Since it's the first game, it would probably be best to speculate with what we know from just that game. As you brought up, none of those things existed when KH was made so The Voice can't be any of them. Unless Nomura decides to give a definitive answer on it, we shouldn't use knowledge from future games to guess what The Voice is.
Not even a headsplitting migraine will stop me from watching a new regular pat upload. This is a fun one for sure! I tend to like the kind of stuff that’s not super long (ie two hours or so) but still not that short either, so this is a great sweet spot in length. It was fun to learn some new stuff, especially the KH1 world stuff :)! Didn’t know you could do Any Two from the circle before Neverland. I wonder if the idea of skipping neverland and Atlantica that I’d heard about and mentioned before comes from thinking Agrabah counts under that circle as well… I do miss when there was more room for mystery and intrigue for this kind of thing. While there’s still myths like what was listed for frozen, nothing really hits the same as back in the 2000s and even early 2010s.
We see how the Org XIII chairs rise at the climax of DDD, when Xehanort attempts to make Sora one of the 13 darknesses. So I thought their height being arbitrary was already known. But never knew that they choose the height themselves. Now it makes sense why Saix's chair is so high (as so-called "second-in command") despite being no.7. He views himself as above others. You can really tell who has the biggest egos.
The 13th Struggle will always be Axel's theme to me. It just feels wrong to hear it play without the iconic "I'M SOO FLATTERED! But you're too late!" before it.
The two things that I didn’t know were the required KH2 worlds (always 100% my playthroughs) and the chair heights. For over a decade I thought Vexen was canonically considered the worst Orgy XIII member by the rest, so they stuck him on the bottom
For the "Which worlds are optional?" question, we could have just asked the speedrunners. They have a vested interest in knowing how much of the game they can skip.
Thing is, Genie himself is absolutely BROKEN in KH2 - you can use him to end and restart your aerial combo without actually interrupting your attacks, which means infinite combos. And that is before accounting for how good some of his attacks are when using him normally.
Well remember the Child of Destiny could just as likely be a term made up by the Master of Masters rather than any concrete 'thing'. The book of prophecies records only events that are going to happen so he would know all about Sora and the gang's exploits
The whole "Nobodies don't have hearts" thing always felt intentionally ambiguous in 2 and Days. I definitely feel like the original Organization's purpose and Xemnas' motivations were retconned to some degree, but whether each member has a heart or not has always been, at the very least, up for debate.
@@nixuniverse5240 True, which is why I said it was ambiguous. There were many moments, especially in days, where the "they only pretend" excuse doesn't seem to make much sense. There was a lot of evidence for either possibility. Tbh, I still find it weird that both DiZ and Yen Sid independently said that nobodies don't have hearts. One would think DiZ would know otherwise, given that he had access to Roxas' data well after a heart would have been formed. Just a minor plothole, most likely.
@@cn8229 I always assumed Ansem/DiZ knew, or rather, had proof that the nobodies can grow hearts, but was too blinded by the prospect of vengeance to even consider the thought.
@@saxosipho He seems to genuinely believe that nobodies lack hearts at the beginning of the game, when he probably should have known they do have hearts given he had to transfer Roxas to the virtual Twilight Town. I'm not saying it's impossible he chose to ignore the evidence, but it just seems implausible to me. Either way, my point is mainly that it was open to interpretation in KH2.
I thought the aqua world-of-darkness shtick was that it was a time dilation issue. something like "Time works differently in the world of darkness, while ten years passed out here it's only been a year in there." or something. That was why Aqua hasn't visibly aged much during that 10-year period. This isn't incompatible to what you've shown us today either. Aqua enters the world of darkness, nine years pass for us, nine-tenths of a year passes for her. Mickey meets up with her at Deprestiny Islands, then another year passes in the world of light for aqua to wrap-up her full stay, rounding out to *what appears to be from her perspective- one full year.
That's actually not the dream world, it's the real one. The reason Sora looks like that is because he was ripped right out of the dream worlds without first returning to his body in Yen-Sid's tower
To clarify... Sora's and Riku's hearts (and souls, I think) were sent back in time to when Destiny Islands were consumed by darkness (KH1). They were technically deep within the realm of darkness for the majority of the game, and we learn from KH2's reports and the plot of 0.2 that time flows differently in the dark realm. So, by the time Sora reached The World That Never Was (a world that naturally exists in the dark realm), he (and in turn Riku, who was inside his dreams) had caught up to present day. He still looked the way he did in the Sleeping Worlds because he was still just his heart and soul.
I love introducing friends and other new people to kingdom hearts. Playing the games in release order and telling them during the finale of KH1, telling them to remember about mickey not having a shirt on because its actually important
Gotta hand it to Aquanort, she gaslit us all into thinking Mickey intentionally abandoned her for a decade. BBS came out 9 years before KH3, and in that time most of us forgot Mickey had no reason to think Aqua was in the realm of darkness.
While it's pretty clear that Nobodies could have feelings and emotions overtime in several of the games, I really wish that the 'reveal' of 'Nobodies can grow a new heart overtime' happened in KH2 proper instead of DDD. The fact that it's laid out word for word in DDD and not earlier adds to it's seemingly retcon nature.
I'd like to give some thoughts about Ariendelle plotline because MatPat isn't the one who came up with the theory that Elsa was most likely build up to be the antagonist of that world, it was already here before he uploaded his video and only spread that idea. Here's my take, they are so many things wrong with how Ariendelle was written and some of the stuff doesn't make sense in the current way it was portrayed. I mean here's the list : - why is Larxene of all people the one trapping us in the Ice Labyrinth ? - why is Hans, playing such a tiny role, the one to summon Sköll when he doesn't have any ties to ice or cold environnement at all (other Disney villain would sometime summon something with a close theme) ? - Why does the Ice Labyrinth final area looks like a "final checkpoint" before what could be a boss fight ? - Why does the area where we fight Sköll looks like something from the Ice Labyrinth especially since we get teleported right before the start ? - Why would anyone think that climbing a montain 3 times in a row only to fell then finally fight Sköll by going to Arendelle Kingdom frozen lake make sense ? - Why switch from Elsa to Hans as the villain at the very end when there was a narrative about her struggle regarding the origin of her power especially since Larxene pointed out it could be dark if she believed it so ? While there is no proof (and we will never get any) the current story of Arendelle is such a mess that honestly I wouln't be surprised this goddamn Ice Labyrinth had more purpose than being a Larxene middle finger.
I think it's pretty cool of an idea that Xion is wielding either Sora's or Ventus' keyblade, in a way Roxas ends up dual wielding post Xion because whatever memories she was holding onto he absorbs or something so I suppose it just makes sense to me.
One misconception I've seen in fandom related to nobodies & hearts is the idea that nobodies don't age. I've seen this said mainly in relation to Axel and Roxas with people who seemingly don't want to look weird for shipping an adult man with a child. Nomura said in an interview in 2009 (pre BBS and DDD) that nobodies don't age and only exist as they were at the time they became a nobody. But there's no reason to believe that is true now as we've seen Lea, Isa and Ienzo as children in BBS and Radiant Garden fell to darkness not long after we see them in-game.
As for Nobodies and hearts... it's actually one of my favourite aspects of the Kingdom Hearts lore. Roxas starts to grow a heart because he has Ventus' inside him, which gives him emotional capacity, and it's HEAVILY implied that a Nobody feeling emotion is what triggers a heart to start to reform - emotion and connection to others. The Organisation is a literal cult. Every member is given a new name and the same wardrobe when they join. Every member has an identical, featureless room to isolate in between missions. Every member is instructed not to interact with people outside the Organisation unless absolutely necessary. They are discouraged from forming bonds, and they are told any emotions they do feel are fake, memories of what they once had. All of that is to inhibit the Nobodies from regrowing their hearts until Xemnas is able to grow, excise and regrow his own heart enough times to possess each of the members, ideally without a Terranort-style battle of wills. You can call it a 3D retcon as much as you'd like but the idea that Nobodies could always regrow hearts makes way more sense than the idea that they don't, and it makes the Organisation even more of an abusive situation for Roxas, Xion and the others.
Honestly, the big thing with Dark Riku is that, despite us being told the lie that it's KH1 Riku circa Ansem possession....his behavior is the big point against that. He doesn't act like Ansem is possessing him at all. The entire time, he acts under the context that he's Riku, not Ansem. Also the Quadratum thing rubs me the wrong way cuz the way Nomura phrased his words makes it sound like he thinks that we think we're expecting a legitimate cross between game universes and not just...wanting to see Neku and friends again.
Yeah, he didn't answer the actual question. I guess maybe he couldn't reveal whether or not they'll be coming back? But it would've been nice for him just to acknowledge that people like them and want to see them again.
The part about the keyblade originally being for Riku made me start thinking about the Child of Destiny that Dark Road introduces. Dark Road's finale made me think that the true CoD is implied to be Sora. Though Sora almost fell to darkness in DDD, it seems like Riku would fit better as an intended vessel for one of the true Darknesses if he was meant to be the original owner of the Kingdom Key but fell to darkness. But Sora has shown the ability to connect his heart to others while Riku hasn't really, so Sora fits as the CoD better in that regard. I don't know who to think is the actual CoD and it's impossible to guess anything correctly when it comes to this series. Maybe everyone's wrong and it's actually Kairi somehow. Or better yet, Wakka.
The bit about the child of destiny being implied to be one intended to be a vessel for true darkness was actually removed in a patch. It doesn't appear to be canon anymore and the prophesized vessel of true darkness (Ven, basically) and the Child of Destiny are separate things.
@@musubi8885 Yeah. The Child of Destiny is the one who is meant to keep 'darkness prevailed, and the light expired' from the last passage in the Book of Prophecies from happening.
Thanks for the clarification! I went back to watch the secret episode and the explanation of the child of destiny and 2 things stuck out. At one point, Blue Robe describes that the CoD can "even connect their heart with another to become one". Do we know what this could refer to? Like does Sora taking in Ven's heart as refuge count? One thought I have is that Yozora's 2 eye colors might imply that he's 2 people fused into one (though according to him that's not what he really looks like) and somehow he's originally from Destiny Islands, but that seems too crazy to be right. The other thing I noticed is that Blue Robe then refers to the CoD as "he". Unless that's just a translation slip up, I guess that rules out Kairi, though she wasn't likely anyways.
@@musubi8885 Yeah I'm not sure if he means scenarios like Sora housing people's hearts, or if maybe he's referring to when Sora heals Ven's broken heart by connecting their hearts? I'd say Yozora is ruled out though. If the whole thing behind the Child of Destiny is that they are the one who reverts the last page from happening, we see that happen in KH3 and Yozora's not a part of it. It's honestly likely just Sora and there is no real gotcha twist coming, but who knows. It's possible the 'he' thing could also just be them assuming it'd be a boy and it could be revealed to be Kairi. Kairi, Riku and Sora all played a part to some degree in reversing the end from happening.
i love your videos, they for some weird reason make me feel safe and give me a really nostalgic vibe. like playing these games felt 20 years ago. love you and take care
A big reason as to why there is no defined term for the “somebody” that a Nobody comes from is because of how rare it is for the two to interact or even to exist at the same time. It basically only happens with Sora and Kairi.
I have been really excited for this vid since it won the bracket! It’s always fun to learn more stuff about my favourite series. Also the stair gag at the end made me laugh way harder then it should have 😂
Thanks for the incredible video. I love your very matter-of-fact explanations and fully agree with your interpretations of things wherever there's a grey area. Not in like a "kissing up to you" way, just in that we've both come to the same conclusion.
i actually knew that dark riku was actually riku replica, but the first time i played kh3 i thought that he was meant to be jiminy’s journal when it took on riku’s form until they revealed who he was
Regarding the yellows eyes thing, yes, yellow eyes do not mean they were taken controlled of by xehanort but instead darkness. This has been something that was suggested at in KHuX when someone is controlled by darkness whether it be turned into a heartless or someone jumping into a new body like with what Luxu did. To further prove that xehanort doesn't own the copyright for yellow eyes during BBS in the final battles at the keyblade graveyard if you look at Braig's eyes they are now yellow. He couldn't have been norted due to xehanort still having his own body at this point as well as having his grayish eyes when he is recovering from losing his eye in radiant garden.
I really like the idea that Xemnas gaslit the rest of the Organization into believing that they could never obtain hearts outside of his Kingdom Hearts related plans. Makes the Org seem more like a kind of cult and less like a group of emotionless villains for Sora to beat. Also anything that makes Xemnas more manipulative of those around him is good in my book, I love the guy as a villain.
24:57 there was also in the original DS release of Re:Coded, Data-Sora doesn't seem to recognize the mysterious voice speaking in (Jiminy's record of) Sora's awakening, and King Mickey speaking to him through the Disney Castle computer as being different from each other
I think the o13 chairs being by preference adds some interesting metadata to scenes anyways, as it means its what the members themselves think of themselves(or want others to think) on the hierarchy, and implies a certain amount of politics if you put yourself shorter or taller than one of the other member's chairs.
The worst thing about misconceptions is, no matter how flawlessly you prove them as simply that, misconceptions, there’s just some people who refuse to accept that it’s not true.
I remember in middle school my whole class got into kh, and after a week i told people if you beat riku in the race and named the raft "FRIENDSHIP" you got a secret keyblade. I actually got 2-3 people to restart their game haha.
Sorry but the one for the KH3 game dev time. I've never heard anyone actually say that KH3 was in development for that long. But when we say we waited 13 years for KH3 it means its the game we were waiting for. I thought everyone knew that.
Abour Sora being some chosen hero, i feel like what Nomura conveys through the story of BBs and what he says are conflicting a bit, Sora is random kid ? well then why would he specifically have Aqua highlight his relationship with Riku making him promise to save him were he to fall to darkness and then have Ven rest in Sora's heart ? We've been shown first hand that taking a hold of someone else's heart does also transfer their mastery over whatever power they have so even if Ven's heart was fractured i think it's a logical conclusion to think Sora can wield a keyblade because of Ventus
Aqua was projecting. Aqua told Sora to save Riku from Darkness because she was afraid that she wouldn't be able to do the same for Terra. That's all. Aqua was just laying her own insecurities on a child.
This is so well put together, and I agree that they could have made anti-aqua's line a bit clearer. it was definitely easy to misunderstand. Or they could have made it clearer that she was actively twisting the truth, bc, well, she's all evil and everything. This is a REALLY helpful and thorough video.
Just playing through KH2, and Yen Sid at the beginning specifically tells SDG that Nobodies don't have hearts, and even if it *seems* as if they feel, to not be deceived because they actually don't. I think that's probably why Sora is more (ironically) heartless towards them, while Riku, who was around them more, was more empathetic.
Man, every time I get reminded that the Half-pints don't/can't remember the events of Chain of Memories, I get kinda mad with Mickey and Riku because like Yeah, Riku had his own path through Castle Oblivion, so he's not really going to know what happened in Sora's path, and thus can't fill him in on it But they could've still given him a general outline, and it really seems like they never did? Like, _surely_ Sora would've stopped to ask "Hey, weren't we asleep for an entire year? How did that happen?" Like, can they just not properly tell him because it'd be like that moment in the Team Fortress 2 comics where Medic mentioned he removed a piece of Demoman's brain to get him to stop asking about putting a new eye in his cursed eye socket, and somehow remembering about it causes him to be temporarily brain damaged? And for those completely unfamiliar with TF2 lore, I'd like to assure you that that is one of the least insane things that happens
Another thing I noticed about the "Xemnas/Xemnus" theme from Days is that the leitmotif is used just before the Darkness of the Unknown motif in the cutscene where Roxas returns in KH3.
Tbf MatPat did give solid evidence to suggest the Frozen level might have initially been based on the original drafts for Frozen where Elsa was evil (Nomura dod say he say previews for the movie before it even premieried), especially with the weird moments like Larxene summoning an ice castle out of nowhere or Hans turning into a wolf monster with little explanation, also explaining their interest in her moreso.
I feel like Days made it fairly clear that they did have hearts, DDD just finally confirmed it. I chalk that misconception up to people not playing the original game and just watching the movie.
30:10 I remember reading many years before Sora got announced for Smash that an interviewer asked someone at Disney if they'd let Sora be added to Smash, and the person from Disney basically said that in order for Sora to appear in anything, three parties' permission is needed: 1) Disney 2) Square Enix 3) Nomura. From a legal standpoint, only Disney's permission would be needed, but out of respect Disney doesn't do anything with Sora without Square Enix and Nomura agreeing to it The guy from Disney then went on to say that Disney doesn't have any issues with Sora being in Smash, so if there's a holdup, it's not from them. Although take all of this with a grain of salt - I have no idea where I read this, and it's many years ago, so my memory might not be 100% accurate Also, regarding the whole thing where Nomura basically says he was the holdup - you really can't read too much into Nomura's answer there. Implying that someone else was the holdup could negatively affect other people/companies, which Japanese work culture really frowns upon, so that was always going to be Nomura's answer, regardless of whether it's the truth or not. So that answer really doesn't tell you anything. It's just Japanese business etiquette to answer like that
Anti-Aqua, I think UX clears up. She, and only her, has Darkling hands. That's probably the key detail of what separates 'Norts and Darklings. The ages of the Destiny Trio one always gets me. It's like the simplest of these to double check, how can you get confused by it? I'd get missing the extra 1 year after MOM due to the lack of change, but of all the timelines in KH, it's the easiest to follow. Anyway, glad for this video. I recently got told the Smash myth so it's nice to get the facts.
Here's another one for you. There's a misconception that things play out the way they do because that's what was written in the Book of Prophecies. It's actually the opposite, those events are in the Book _because_ they happened. It's more history than prophecy. It's essentially the Master's journal.
the only nobody related thing that felt like a bit of a stretch to me but could also kinda be explained by the same thing of xemnas (and xigbar) pulling the wool over the other org members eyes is the whole "your nobody being destroyed means you cease to exist at all" thing, becoming "if your nobody and heartless are destroyed you reform as your original human self" like that one more likely just is a retcon that you kinda make work vs the nobodies having hearts thing definitely always being intended imo, but it also fits cos if the org members knew that dying as a nobody was basically a shot at life again they largely wouldn't have reason to follow xemnas
I think repliku might also be riku's nobody. He and Sora were both heartless in CoM. Yellow eyes is darkness, correct! We used to think it meant norting but he clarified it to be darkness as the releases came, not to mention yellow eyes in general in JP usually means darkness. Aqua is transforming into something X introduced. Darkling. A keyblade wielder, who loses their keyblade and succumbs to darkness, aqua is midway transforming into a darkling. Her hands are the same. She's not norted but kingdom hearts variant of skull kid
I’m not sure why Kingdom Hearts fans were thinking that what MatPat said was true, when the entire point of Game Theory, is that it’s just a theory, “A Game Theory”… plus they’re just misinterpreting what that girl said in the Frozen sucks in KH3 video. I can’t remember her name but, she does have a point.
Whenever you have a “game completion” question. Always ask a speedrunner. We can tell you exactly what worlds you can or cannot do to finish the game because we are trying to figure out how to beat everything the fastest.
I think with Aqua, she was on the brink of losing hope, she was so close to falling and that little blast of darkness Ansem formed was enough to tip her over the edge. Obviously I don't know I just don't think it was to do with Xeha-snort, I believe it was more about being engulfed in her inner insecurity, as her personality became more like anti-Aqua, voicing doubts and her pain, etc.
I always felt like the O13 members were trying to return to become human again; not just regain their emotions. Remember, they say when a person becomes a Nobody, they lose their memories and the process of regaining them is really slow. Plus, even when a Nobody regains their heart, their body is still made of nothingness. Axel's death in KH2 showed that even though he regrew his heart, his body clearly wasn't made of flesh and blood. I saw O13 making Kingdom Hearts as an attempt to regain their original bodies and their identities.
Speedrunners would *LOVE* to know about that world-skipping technique that so many people think is possible, it's not like that would be a 5-10 minute time save or anything
I should mention, for the Agrabah one, you don't actually have to do the second visit to Olympus Coliseum. The minimum you need to be to access the last part of Twilight Town and hence TWTNW is both visits to LoD, BC, PR, HT, and Agrabah, and the first visits to OC and SP. Most notably, the only "non-minigame world" (Atlantica and 100-Acre Wood) you do not need to step foot in at all to defeat Final Xemnas is Pride Lands.
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Always a fan of not just your analyses, but the lengths you go to give credit and link sources, provide captions and chapters sections, the whole shebang! It’s really cool especially for someone mostly working solo to share fun discussion, but make it more accessible too \o/
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12:14 Riku literally comes out of Riku and tells Riku that the other Riku isn't him(Riku), but is actually himself(Riku). Kingdom Hearts is amazing.
Reminds me of dmc5, the game where Vergil hires Vergil's brother and Vergil's son to defeat Vergil so that Vergil can become Vergil featuring Vergil.
Peak Fiction.
@@Rockman9830 Urizen and V are literally Vergil's Heartless and Nobody respectively, normies have been exposed to KH wackiness and were none the wiser
So the supposed Ansem!Riku in True Organization 13 was a replica of Repliku. _He was Replirepliku._
the fact that i understood this might finally mean that im a full fleged kingdom hearts enjoyer
In regards to why Aqua says Mickey abandoned her for 10 years in the Realm of Darkness, she was corrupted by darkness and the corruption was affecting her mind. Warping her thoughts and making her blame Mickey even though he didn't know Aqua was there for all of that time. He only knew for like a year and a half.
KH3 Randys can't understand emotions or the complexity of speech. they believe everything at face value.
I always thought that it was because aqua felt the darkness in her heart so deeply that she finally fell over the edge and fell to darkness
I'm pretty sure there was a detail about time itself flowing differently in the Realm of Darkness.
Yeah I think you can just take it as her lashing out because he technically could have helped her, even if logically he likely never would have found her by just taking a shot in the dark (pun somewhat intended).
You are completely right but Mickey is a bitch for leaving her there for so long, even if it wasn't nearly as long as she said
I always saw the BBS trio as having different kinds of "disconnect" from each other. Terra was proud and trusting of Xehanort, which made him upset at Aqua. Ventus has a childish, innocent perspective on things so he doesn't think things through rationally, more so like a younger brother. Aqua was dogshit at explaining herself which didn't help with Terra's Pride and Ventus' childlike perspective. I wouldn't really call them dumb, just young and perhaps ignorant in certain ways.
And flaws as people are not perfect.
the inclusion of the staircase rumor is a deeply under appreciated bit. I cackled.
that is hilariously stupid
im glad it was included too. People are silly.
Whenever I hear the word "cackle" I immediately picture Grunty from Banjo Kazooie
I can actually explain how this one started, without knowing the context of the rumor. In short, it's the same as the real life version in every Japanese "Seven Wonders of the School," where the steps are counted differently up and down. This happens because going up you count every step up, but the step down from the landing pad is skipped by the brain.
Rai can't count lol
Narrator: He cackled
Regarding Ventus not being why Sora can use the Keyblade, I'd also point out that when Aqua meets the two boys on Destiny Islands, she immediately registers that Riku has been given "the power" and deduces that it was Terra who did so. She briefly considers passing the power to generate a Keyblade onto Sora, but decides against it, saying she wouldn't wish "our" (the Wayfinder Trio's) lives on anyone. Since Ventus had already formed a connection with Sora years prior, if Ventus is the reason Sora can use a Keyblade, Aqua should have sensed that potential in him.
Not necessarily the case because Sora was the one who had a big influence on Ven, not the other way. People assume that Ven being the reason Sora can use it is because Ven was actively within Sora's heart which was after the events of BBS
No, Sora and Ventus formed their connection before the events of BBS, when Xehanort took Ventus to the Destiny Islands just after the creation of Vanitas left Ventus in a dying state and he wanted to give Ventus a somewhat respectable death. It was there that Ventus forged a D Link with Sora who was nearby, which is when he suddenly summoned his Keyblade and Xehanort realized that Ventus was going to make it. That's why Vanitas's face looked like Sora's during the final battle of BBS.
Riku was granted the power to wield a keyblade by a keyblade master (whether you believe he earned the title or not)
However, nobody said that was the *only* way to earn the right to wield a keyblade.
@@GayLPerhell we know for a fact that doing the ritual isn’t even a guarantee that you’ll get a keyblade, seeing as Riku totally could have never gotten his road to dawn after losing the kingdom key to sora.
Also re: Sora's age, in James Cricket's journal, it states that Hayner, Pence and Ollette are in the same summer vacation as the start of 2 (note! Data Twilight Town's summer vacation does not necessarily line up with Real Twilight Town's vacay)
If we combine this with Axel saying summer vacation is "about a month" in Days (and IRL Japanese summer vacation being about 40 days long) we can safely assume no more than 6 weeks pass between Sora waking up in 2 and Sora disappearing at the end of 3.
Just to back up your statement, in the real Twilight Town when Sora, Donald and Goofy wake up and meet the gang Ollette asks them if they finished the summer homework meaning the timeline of the data and real world likely lined up.
@@KingRynoD.LeonhartTMB Oh, for sure, HPO **are** on summer vacation at the start of KH2. I was more pointing out that just because Data!TT is set during the last 7 days of summer vacation, that doesn't necessarily have any bearing on how far along Real!TT's summer vacation is when Sora wakes up.
It's confirmed that two weeks after KH2 was the Mastery Exam, so you're correct. Between 2 and 3 took a month of real time.
fucking hell, 2 AND DDD AND 3 within a month or two?
these kids need therapy so bad
@@ignightroad Where was that confirmed?
I honestly don't know how people can assume the whole "Nobodies can regrow their own hearts" thing was a retcon. Like, people don't pay attention to these games. Despite Ansem the Wise early on saying that "A Nobody cannot feel anything." he has been proven wrong time and time again, because some emotions that characters like Axel, Roxas, and the like aren't facsimiles of who they were in their complete selves. It's creating a twist that Xemnas was far more manipulative, gaslighting the Organization into thinking they're hollow to stay in line.
Yes but when you think on it, it makes no sense and is something Nomura just made up as he went along
Why would they be stupid enough to be like "huh but I can feel emotions. Like a lot a lot of emotions. That's weird..." But rarely if ever allude to questioning it.
People pay attention if they're invested in these games. People also know that Nomura clearly didn't have much of a plan.
@@walter4180 "Yes but when you think on it, it makes no sense and is something Nomura just made up as he went along "
KH2FM literally has a scene with Axel going "Roxas are you really sure you don't have a heart? Is it possible that we all have one?" and you think it's something he made up way later? C'mon. There are tons of scenes in KH2 that are meant to make you question if Nobodies really are incapable of having a heart.
@@AudoPlay To be fair, that was Final Mix cutscene. I don't remember original KH2 having it.
@@AudoPlay And in COM when Axel laughs and is shocked that he can genuinely laugh. "Wait... i'm enjoying this!" As he literally puts his hand on his heart as he realizes that. They have been hinting at this literally since the very beginning.
Because nomura and the authors explicitly said it was pretend. Over and over.
I remember back in 2007 saying "these are the most emotional people without emotions I've ever seen", but I still have to acknowledge that we had an "official" answer. It was a badly concealed "twist".
I love the TWEWY crew and really hope that they appear again.
Thank you for explaining the ages, things gotten more complicated since each world's time flows differently.
I had a weird idea of them getting involved with a Fantasia 2000 world. Dunno if that'd be a reality, but whatever.
With NEO now being a thing, they would definitely need to meet Rindo, Fret, and Nagi
It confuses me because at the end of KH3, it shows the 104 building which I thought was only in TWEWY world? Its no wonder people thought it was going to be a thing :(
I literally just thought Roxas could duel wield because he just can. Like. Why not? He's just a cool guy like that.
Facts, Roxas is just built different
I feel like this was probably originally the idea behind it, before Birth by Sleep came out lol
I mean he still can in 3 after everyone's hearts/keyblades are back with their own bodies so at this point that seems to be why lol
I love love love the reveal about how Nobodies CAN regrow hearts. It’s such a good twist because it’s been very clear from the start that the Nobodies do exhibit emotion, and while early on you could chalk it up to just playing the part and expressing what how you think you’re supposed to, it’s very obvious that the Seasalt Trio’s feelings in Days are very real. Prior to 3D’s release, it was kind of a meme to bring up how Nobodies “can’t feel” and then immediately show an example of them feeling. So this certainly doesn’t feel out of nowhere like you said.
It’s a moment I come back to a lot because of just how good it is. It’s cathartic to reveal that everything you’ve experienced with these characters is real but it also makes Xemnas and the Organization as a concept so much more sinister. It really flips the table and makes numbers 3-14 all victims of a brainwashing cult where they’ve been gaslit in extreme ways. This is good because from this point in the series on, you are meant to sympathize with all the Nobody Organization members.
It’s just a lot to think about, spending up to 11 years under the thumb of a cult leader who makes you think you can’t even feel. That’s so messed up. And Sora’s lines and voice work are just fantastic in the scene, he’s so incredibly upset that Xemnas was lying to them all. And the amount of distress he’s in over this reveal makes me love his character even more. He’s so compassionate, shocked, and heartbroken for these people who were being used. Not just for a hollow promise of a goal they could achieve on their own but the fact they were actually being groomed to be used as Xehanort’s meat bag puppets.
It’s just. A really good moment. People give 3D a lot a flack but it has some of the best written moments of the series and some of the best tension and stakes. I was never worried truly for Kairi in KH3, but I was worried for Sora in 3D.
I think some beings like Pinocchio, Tron, and Data-Sora also play into this concept. Especially the later, who had to use a data construct of a Keyblade until he eventually found the means - a heart - to manifest his own genuine key.
This sums up my thoughts on it perfectly. When i got into KH i was surprised at how it portrays a cultlike organization so simply but accurately in a children's anime disney game. I wasn't really expecting much depth like that. Plus it lines up with everything we've seen before, they literally scream in fear, get angry, cry, etc. but that's all just "memories"? Maybe if they were only showing a little bit of emotions, but they were basically no different from real people the entire time, so i dont see why its such a stretch to believe they regained their hearts. It felt like it was clearly leading up to that sort of reveal.
@@MrAuthor3DS very true! If all of them can grow a heart, why not nobodies?
When I read stuff like this i just laugh as I know for a fact Nomura didn't think of half this shit lmao
@@walter4180 ok so? Just because you didn’t think of something at the absolute start doesn’t mean it’s bad writing? Or if you’re saying someone else thought of it, so? I never said anything about nomura. If he didn’t think of it, whoever did, did a good job.
thanks for the sustenance pat
Plot twist: The yellow eyes are actually a sign of jaundice, not darkness
darkness is actually nomura's metaphor for crippling hepatitis
- In retrospect, Dark Riku's behavior does seem closer to how he acted before he was modified for Sora's part of the story - extra-arrogant and all. So of course he'd be a far cry from Riku Replica's current wisened self.
- With Nobodies and hearts, I think it makes sense. Look at the cult-like way that Organization XIII is run - it may be to keep its members from accepting the "self-awareness". Of course, some like Xion, Axel, and then Roxas do end up becoming more and more self-aware, leading them to diverge from the Organization's plans.
(And then there's cases of other "empty" beings that develop their own genuine hearts, like Pinocchio, Tron, and Data-Sora.)
- What about the misconceptions about Xehanort's goals, which were in his reports in BBS and restated at the end of KH3? How so many people thought he was a "misunderstood good guy"? That's not what I got from it at all - he was well-intentioned, sure, but still an extremist. He thought the universe as it was was too corrupt to be fixed, so the best course of action (in his mind) was to wipe the slate clean and start it all anew. And because it was all already "bad", it didn't matter what bad things he did to it.
- ...I think a lot of the misconceptions may have also come from him saying "An empty World, pure and bright", misunderstanding what "pure" usually means in JP-writing.
I really hope this reaches most of the fanbase. I love jokes like Mickey left Aqua for 10 years, but some people really use these misconceptions as canon and then get angry when something they thought was true when they were 15 was never true, and then can't get over it.
I highly doubt they'll listen. Heck, there was even someone going after me after I said that the Disney worlds matter and contributed to the plot. And he said they don't. After sending him to the Disney world video that Mr. Regular made, I got called a fanboy.
People just don't wanna accept the facts. All they do is just put their fingers in their ears and go, "lalalalalala can't hear you!"
@@Redxan600 Your criticism can work for both sides. Also, no, Disney worlds do not matter in any game except KH 1. Sora going through worlds in KH3 to kill time until the plot decides it's time for a showdown it's useless and no amount of post rationalization will save your childhood, stop making the work for the writers.
@@pascalsimioli6777 Watch Pat's video about Disney worlds being relevant to the story. After that, watch Titan Trainer video about KH3 Disney worlds being important to the narrative and character development for Sora.
If you ignored those and still have that maiden-less behavior, then you're just proving my point.
I still find it funny that theoretically, Ventus is like in his 20s by KH3
Honestly I always thought revealing that "Nobodies can have hearts, they're just lied to" was a genius move. Xemnas honestly did not come off as super threatening to me in KIngdom Hearts II and Days. Sure he's a final boss but he didn't get enough time to really shine in comparison to the other more active members. I liked the reframing of him being close to a cult leader. The slow manipulation of Saix whose planning a mutiny who ends up being his right hand man and biggest supporter when he can't rely on Axel is pretty scary. Its also close to how BBS Xehanort acted with Terra. Coldly taking advantage of other's desperation for his own goals. Its also something we know he does in Kingdom Hearts II because he even taunts Sora and Riku about their friendship in his battle lines and goads the Organization members about their pasts during cutscenes. The one scene where he was describing it in detail in such a cold way in Dream Drop Distance really sold me on his character.
In retrospect, looking back at KH2 after Days and especially 3, you get the impression Saix's mutiny went up in flames with Axel's "betrayal" in favor of Roxas.
And after that point... he just stopped resisting.
Just hearing anything close to “the rat did nothing wrong” unironically makes my day at this point.
At least one guy is on your side, your Majesty! AT LEAST ONE!!
@@gregoryford2532 My standards for people taking the King’s side is so low (due to how many fans genuinely believe this lie as far as I’ve seen) that I can accept that.
I feel like a lot of people's view of Mickey is tainted by him being the icon of a massive corporation whose public opinion has steadily been getting worse and worse.
I mean, it's Mickey freakin' Mouse, why would you assume from the get-go that he's egotistical, selfish, lazy, and cruel?
Interesting fun fact about Roxas's ability to dual wield: I don't care about Ventus's keyblade, I will forever hold true to the idea that Roxas's second keyblade is Xion's and he inherited it from her after her death when he took all his power back because it's doubly tragic.
The ones I was most interested to learn were the segments on Dark Riku (Real Org. 13), The Mysterious Voice being Mickey and The Nobody Heart Retcon.
For Dark Riku, I fell for the misdirect that he was past Riku possessed by Ansem, but I'm glad I at least knew the Dark Riku in real Riku was the reformed Repliku.
For the Mysterious Voice, I can accept it was Mickey, although I guess I sort of liked it being unknown much more. Before, the voice seemed omnipotent and wondrous. Now that I know it's _Michael Mouse_ though...I can't help but feel disappointed.
For the Nobody Heart Retcon, I at first thought it was a cheap cop-out. I accepted the fact long ago that Nobodies had no hearts and were indeed acting on emotional-memory, both because it sort of worked out for thematic conveyance and also, it would be boring/uncompelling to watch the unfeeling/robotic alternative in game. _And yet!_ The idea of Xemnas lying to each of his subordinates does in fact have credence, as he has been known to withhold information from them, ala when he sneaks off to visit the Chamber of Repose to talk to Aqua's armor. Because when you find out he lied to the other members about their hearts, you sort of feel like Xemnas lied to us the players too. Adds a curiously villainous feel to him that I can also accept. I tend to doubt it was _always_ the plan, but it does fit.
I would have preferred if it was Rikunort(my name for Dark Riku) instead of Repliku, namely to show how far he has grown from KH1. I mean, how many times did we kick Repliku's ass in CoM?
You know michael mouse... could be a good mame for the master of masters.
It should be noted that in the Japanese version of KH1 it's more clear that it's Mickey talking since he talks in the Japanese equivalent of his "Hiya, pal!" voice so it's not really a retcon.
about Anti-Aqua, I think the description on the Journal explicit says that she is Aqua taken by the darkness... no Xehanort mentioned... I mean, if we can't trust on the knowledge of a talking cricket, what would we trust?
Roxas gained the ability to dual wield after Xion, because Xion was using either ven's or sora's keyblade. Remember the mission where you use a stick until ROXAS magically summons another keyblade? To put it simply, Roxas hands Xion sora's keyblade, then eventually learns to summon ven's keyblade. Once xion's dead, roxas regains sora's keyblade, which is why he pops out two kingom keys before he re-chains them (chains i hope get lore expanson some day)
Love the vid, also love the editing in this one. Good info, and good gags. The “Faster!” put over Xemnas’ monologue took me off guard and was particularly funny haha.
Bro really hit us with the Victorious clip of her saying they're all singers when he said they're all Xemnas 💀
I feel like I'm 1 of 5 people that would understand that reference lmao
In relation to the aqua yellow eyes, i see it as the eyes of someone who's given in to darkness, because ansem the wise has yellow eyes after his first trip to the realm of darkness
KH3 has kind of debunked that by making all the Org (and Anti-Aqua's) eyes the same golden gue, while AtW still has orange eyes. That would suggest that Ataw didn't give into darkness the same way Xehanort and Aqua did.
I’ve missed these so much. Wishing you an easy, speedy recovery.
I'm surprised for the Nobody-heart-regrow bit, you didn't include Axel in CoM saying "Hey... wait... I'm enjoying this. You guys ARE something else" while in private, since it confirms that Nobody weren't unable to feel emotions long before DDD.
And he literally puts his hand on his chest as he says it. Yet another scene that basically confirms that this was a concept Nomura had long ago. It was literally in the first game the organization appeared in.
Rather then Mickey, I always thought the voice speaking to Sora was Kingdom Hearts itself. And after learning that the ones in KH and KH2 are artificial, that just solidified that interpretation for me.
I thought it may have been Ventus, but it could very well be someone from Verum Rex or Ux. The voice keeps saying Sora will "open the door," but in KH1 he closed the DTD. He did reopen the DTD to fight Xemnas in KH2, but that event is so minor in the grand scheme of things, it can't have been referring to that. Which means the moment those words are foreshadowing haven't happened yet...
@@chrisdaughen5257 Since it's the first game, it would probably be best to speculate with what we know from just that game. As you brought up, none of those things existed when KH was made so The Voice can't be any of them. Unless Nomura decides to give a definitive answer on it, we shouldn't use knowledge from future games to guess what The Voice is.
Not even a headsplitting migraine will stop me from watching a new regular pat upload.
This is a fun one for sure! I tend to like the kind of stuff that’s not super long (ie two hours or so) but still not that short either, so this is a great sweet spot in length. It was fun to learn some new stuff, especially the KH1 world stuff :)! Didn’t know you could do Any Two from the circle before Neverland. I wonder if the idea of skipping neverland and Atlantica that I’d heard about and mentioned before comes from thinking Agrabah counts under that circle as well…
I do miss when there was more room for mystery and intrigue for this kind of thing. While there’s still myths like what was listed for frozen, nothing really hits the same as back in the 2000s and even early 2010s.
We see how the Org XIII chairs rise at the climax of DDD, when Xehanort attempts to make Sora one of the 13 darknesses. So I thought their height being arbitrary was already known.
But never knew that they choose the height themselves. Now it makes sense why Saix's chair is so high (as so-called "second-in command") despite being no.7. He views himself as above others. You can really tell who has the biggest egos.
The 13th Struggle will always be Axel's theme to me. It just feels wrong to hear it play without the iconic "I'M SOO FLATTERED! But you're too late!" before it.
The two things that I didn’t know were the required KH2 worlds (always 100% my playthroughs) and the chair heights. For over a decade I thought Vexen was canonically considered the worst Orgy XIII member by the rest, so they stuck him on the bottom
Nice video :) Definitely nice to have someone willing to put the work in to clear up a few misconceptions surrounding the series!
For the "Which worlds are optional?" question, we could have just asked the speedrunners. They have a vested interest in knowing how much of the game they can skip.
Thing is, Genie himself is absolutely BROKEN in KH2 - you can use him to end and restart your aerial combo without actually interrupting your attacks, which means infinite combos. And that is before accounting for how good some of his attacks are when using him normally.
the interview snippet at 28:20 is about to be so damning if the whole "child of destiny" plotline goes where i think it's going
This is why I really want the Child of Destiny to be Kairi
Where do you think it's going, exactly?
Well remember the Child of Destiny could just as likely be a term made up by the Master of Masters rather than any concrete 'thing'. The book of prophecies records only events that are going to happen so he would know all about Sora and the gang's exploits
The whole "Nobodies don't have hearts" thing always felt intentionally ambiguous in 2 and Days. I definitely feel like the original Organization's purpose and Xemnas' motivations were retconned to some degree, but whether each member has a heart or not has always been, at the very least, up for debate.
Well Yensid said that they only pretend they have hearts to throw people off, which was Nomura’s excuse to have the organization show personality.
@@nixuniverse5240 True, which is why I said it was ambiguous. There were many moments, especially in days, where the "they only pretend" excuse doesn't seem to make much sense. There was a lot of evidence for either possibility. Tbh, I still find it weird that both DiZ and Yen Sid independently said that nobodies don't have hearts. One would think DiZ would know otherwise, given that he had access to Roxas' data well after a heart would have been formed. Just a minor plothole, most likely.
@@cn8229 I always assumed Ansem/DiZ knew, or rather, had proof that the nobodies can grow hearts, but was too blinded by the prospect of vengeance to even consider the thought.
@@cn8229 I always saw Yen Sid as one of those guys people believe because he's an old man and speaks factual when he's wrong a bunch.
@@saxosipho He seems to genuinely believe that nobodies lack hearts at the beginning of the game, when he probably should have known they do have hearts given he had to transfer Roxas to the virtual Twilight Town. I'm not saying it's impossible he chose to ignore the evidence, but it just seems implausible to me. Either way, my point is mainly that it was open to interpretation in KH2.
When you had Sora say “faster!!” While Xenmas was talking, then sped it up 😂 Great work.
I thought the aqua world-of-darkness shtick was that it was a time dilation issue. something like "Time works differently in the world of darkness, while ten years passed out here it's only been a year in there." or something. That was why Aqua hasn't visibly aged much during that 10-year period.
This isn't incompatible to what you've shown us today either. Aqua enters the world of darkness, nine years pass for us, nine-tenths of a year passes for her. Mickey meets up with her at Deprestiny Islands, then another year passes in the world of light for aqua to wrap-up her full stay, rounding out to *what appears to be from her perspective- one full year.
31:33 - in DDD, didn't Sora's chair rose up before Xehanort tried to nort him? I know it's in the dream realm, but still, it's the same room.
That's actually not the dream world, it's the real one. The reason Sora looks like that is because he was ripped right out of the dream worlds without first returning to his body in Yen-Sid's tower
To clarify...
Sora's and Riku's hearts (and souls, I think) were sent back in time to when Destiny Islands were consumed by darkness (KH1). They were technically deep within the realm of darkness for the majority of the game, and we learn from KH2's reports and the plot of 0.2 that time flows differently in the dark realm.
So, by the time Sora reached The World That Never Was (a world that naturally exists in the dark realm), he (and in turn Riku, who was inside his dreams) had caught up to present day. He still looked the way he did in the Sleeping Worlds because he was still just his heart and soul.
I love introducing friends and other new people to kingdom hearts. Playing the games in release order and telling them during the finale of KH1, telling them to remember about mickey not having a shirt on because its actually important
Nowadays many people tend to throw the word "retcon" on anything without knowing what a retcon exactly is.
Gotta hand it to Aquanort, she gaslit us all into thinking Mickey intentionally abandoned her for a decade. BBS came out 9 years before KH3, and in that time most of us forgot Mickey had no reason to think Aqua was in the realm of darkness.
While it's pretty clear that Nobodies could have feelings and emotions overtime in several of the games, I really wish that the 'reveal' of 'Nobodies can grow a new heart overtime' happened in KH2 proper instead of DDD. The fact that it's laid out word for word in DDD and not earlier adds to it's seemingly retcon nature.
I'd like to give some thoughts about Ariendelle plotline because MatPat isn't the one who came up with the theory that Elsa was most likely build up to be the antagonist of that world, it was already here before he uploaded his video and only spread that idea.
Here's my take, they are so many things wrong with how Ariendelle was written and some of the stuff doesn't make sense in the current way it was portrayed.
I mean here's the list :
- why is Larxene of all people the one trapping us in the Ice Labyrinth ?
- why is Hans, playing such a tiny role, the one to summon Sköll when he doesn't have any ties to ice or cold environnement at all (other Disney villain would sometime summon something with a close theme) ?
- Why does the Ice Labyrinth final area looks like a "final checkpoint" before what could be a boss fight ?
- Why does the area where we fight Sköll looks like something from the Ice Labyrinth especially since we get teleported right before the start ?
- Why would anyone think that climbing a montain 3 times in a row only to fell then finally fight Sköll by going to Arendelle Kingdom frozen lake make sense ?
- Why switch from Elsa to Hans as the villain at the very end when there was a narrative about her struggle regarding the origin of her power especially since Larxene pointed out it could be dark if she believed it so ?
While there is no proof (and we will never get any) the current story of Arendelle is such a mess that honestly I wouln't be surprised this goddamn Ice Labyrinth had more purpose than being a Larxene middle finger.
I think it's pretty cool of an idea that Xion is wielding either Sora's or Ventus' keyblade, in a way Roxas ends up dual wielding post Xion because whatever memories she was holding onto he absorbs or something so I suppose it just makes sense to me.
Actually, I think Nomura said somewhere that Anti Aqua was just Aqua corrupted by The Dark Realm.
So there’s that.
One misconception I've seen in fandom related to nobodies & hearts is the idea that nobodies don't age. I've seen this said mainly in relation to Axel and Roxas with people who seemingly don't want to look weird for shipping an adult man with a child.
Nomura said in an interview in 2009 (pre BBS and DDD) that nobodies don't age and only exist as they were at the time they became a nobody. But there's no reason to believe that is true now as we've seen Lea, Isa and Ienzo as children in BBS and Radiant Garden fell to darkness not long after we see them in-game.
There was no reason to believe that in the first place. Naminé is clearly older tin KH2 than in Re:CoM.
As for Nobodies and hearts... it's actually one of my favourite aspects of the Kingdom Hearts lore.
Roxas starts to grow a heart because he has Ventus' inside him, which gives him emotional capacity, and it's HEAVILY implied that a Nobody feeling emotion is what triggers a heart to start to reform - emotion and connection to others.
The Organisation is a literal cult. Every member is given a new name and the same wardrobe when they join. Every member has an identical, featureless room to isolate in between missions. Every member is instructed not to interact with people outside the Organisation unless absolutely necessary. They are discouraged from forming bonds, and they are told any emotions they do feel are fake, memories of what they once had.
All of that is to inhibit the Nobodies from regrowing their hearts until Xemnas is able to grow, excise and regrow his own heart enough times to possess each of the members, ideally without a Terranort-style battle of wills.
You can call it a 3D retcon as much as you'd like but the idea that Nobodies could always regrow hearts makes way more sense than the idea that they don't, and it makes the Organisation even more of an abusive situation for Roxas, Xion and the others.
Honestly, the big thing with Dark Riku is that, despite us being told the lie that it's KH1 Riku circa Ansem possession....his behavior is the big point against that.
He doesn't act like Ansem is possessing him at all. The entire time, he acts under the context that he's Riku, not Ansem.
Also the Quadratum thing rubs me the wrong way cuz the way Nomura phrased his words makes it sound like he thinks that we think we're expecting a legitimate cross between game universes and not just...wanting to see Neku and friends again.
Yeah, he didn't answer the actual question. I guess maybe he couldn't reveal whether or not they'll be coming back? But it would've been nice for him just to acknowledge that people like them and want to see them again.
"I think we're all xemnas" sounds so culty and hilarious 😂
The part about the keyblade originally being for Riku made me start thinking about the Child of Destiny that Dark Road introduces. Dark Road's finale made me think that the true CoD is implied to be Sora. Though Sora almost fell to darkness in DDD, it seems like Riku would fit better as an intended vessel for one of the true Darknesses if he was meant to be the original owner of the Kingdom Key but fell to darkness. But Sora has shown the ability to connect his heart to others while Riku hasn't really, so Sora fits as the CoD better in that regard.
I don't know who to think is the actual CoD and it's impossible to guess anything correctly when it comes to this series. Maybe everyone's wrong and it's actually Kairi somehow. Or better yet, Wakka.
The bit about the child of destiny being implied to be one intended to be a vessel for true darkness was actually removed in a patch. It doesn't appear to be canon anymore and the prophesized vessel of true darkness (Ven, basically) and the Child of Destiny are separate things.
Ah you're right I forgot about that. So is the child of destiny meant to be different than the dark seeker?
@@musubi8885 Yeah. The Child of Destiny is the one who is meant to keep 'darkness prevailed, and the light expired' from the last passage in the Book of Prophecies from happening.
Thanks for the clarification! I went back to watch the secret episode and the explanation of the child of destiny and 2 things stuck out.
At one point, Blue Robe describes that the CoD can "even connect their heart with another to become one". Do we know what this could refer to? Like does Sora taking in Ven's heart as refuge count? One thought I have is that Yozora's 2 eye colors might imply that he's 2 people fused into one (though according to him that's not what he really looks like) and somehow he's originally from Destiny Islands, but that seems too crazy to be right.
The other thing I noticed is that Blue Robe then refers to the CoD as "he". Unless that's just a translation slip up, I guess that rules out Kairi, though she wasn't likely anyways.
@@musubi8885 Yeah I'm not sure if he means scenarios like Sora housing people's hearts, or if maybe he's referring to when Sora heals Ven's broken heart by connecting their hearts? I'd say Yozora is ruled out though. If the whole thing behind the Child of Destiny is that they are the one who reverts the last page from happening, we see that happen in KH3 and Yozora's not a part of it. It's honestly likely just Sora and there is no real gotcha twist coming, but who knows.
It's possible the 'he' thing could also just be them assuming it'd be a boy and it could be revealed to be Kairi. Kairi, Riku and Sora all played a part to some degree in reversing the end from happening.
i love your videos, they for some weird reason make me feel safe and give me a really nostalgic vibe. like playing these games felt 20 years ago. love you and take care
A big reason as to why there is no defined term for the “somebody” that a Nobody comes from is because of how rare it is for the two to interact or even to exist at the same time. It basically only happens with Sora and Kairi.
“A rare goofy L” -regular pat 2022
I have been really excited for this vid since it won the bracket! It’s always fun to learn more stuff about my favourite series. Also the stair gag at the end made me laugh way harder then it should have 😂
Thanks for the incredible video. I love your very matter-of-fact explanations and fully agree with your interpretations of things wherever there's a grey area. Not in like a "kissing up to you" way, just in that we've both come to the same conclusion.
i actually knew that dark riku was actually riku replica, but the first time i played kh3 i thought that he was meant to be jiminy’s journal when it took on riku’s form until they revealed who he was
Regarding the yellows eyes thing, yes, yellow eyes do not mean they were taken controlled of by xehanort but instead darkness. This has been something that was suggested at in KHuX when someone is controlled by darkness whether it be turned into a heartless or someone jumping into a new body like with what Luxu did. To further prove that xehanort doesn't own the copyright for yellow eyes during BBS in the final battles at the keyblade graveyard if you look at Braig's eyes they are now yellow. He couldn't have been norted due to xehanort still having his own body at this point as well as having his grayish eyes when he is recovering from losing his eye in radiant garden.
When you mentioned union cross I misheard it as unique Ross, and that is what I will call that game now.
I really like the idea that Xemnas gaslit the rest of the Organization into believing that they could never obtain hearts outside of his Kingdom Hearts related plans. Makes the Org seem more like a kind of cult and less like a group of emotionless villains for Sora to beat. Also anything that makes Xemnas more manipulative of those around him is good in my book, I love the guy as a villain.
The wildest soundtrack fact is that she did not write kh2 dearly beloved. It was done by kauro wada, the composer for inuyasha
Loved you editing in Sora saying "Faster!"
24:57 there was also in the original DS release of Re:Coded, Data-Sora doesn't seem to recognize the mysterious voice speaking in (Jiminy's record of) Sora's awakening, and King Mickey speaking to him through the Disney Castle computer as being different from each other
I think the o13 chairs being by preference adds some interesting metadata to scenes anyways, as it means its what the members themselves think of themselves(or want others to think) on the hierarchy, and implies a certain amount of politics if you put yourself shorter or taller than one of the other member's chairs.
Side note, do another one of these, these are real conversation starters
The worst thing about misconceptions is, no matter how flawlessly you prove them as simply that, misconceptions, there’s just some people who refuse to accept that it’s not true.
I remember in middle school my whole class got into kh, and after a week i told people if you beat riku in the race and named the raft "FRIENDSHIP" you got a secret keyblade. I actually got 2-3 people to restart their game haha.
Sorry but the one for the KH3 game dev time. I've never heard anyone actually say that KH3 was in development for that long. But when we say we waited 13 years for KH3 it means its the game we were waiting for. I thought everyone knew that.
Abour Sora being some chosen hero, i feel like what Nomura conveys through the story of BBs and what he says are conflicting a bit, Sora is random kid ? well then why would he specifically have Aqua highlight his relationship with Riku making him promise to save him were he to fall to darkness and then have Ven rest in Sora's heart ? We've been shown first hand that taking a hold of someone else's heart does also transfer their mastery over whatever power they have so even if Ven's heart was fractured i think it's a logical conclusion to think Sora can wield a keyblade because of Ventus
Aqua was projecting.
Aqua told Sora to save Riku from Darkness because she was afraid that she wouldn't be able to do the same for Terra. That's all. Aqua was just laying her own insecurities on a child.
This is so well put together, and I agree that they could have made anti-aqua's line a bit clearer. it was definitely easy to misunderstand. Or they could have made it clearer that she was actively twisting the truth, bc, well, she's all evil and everything. This is a REALLY helpful and thorough video.
Just playing through KH2, and Yen Sid at the beginning specifically tells SDG that Nobodies don't have hearts, and even if it *seems* as if they feel, to not be deceived because they actually don't. I think that's probably why Sora is more (ironically) heartless towards them, while Riku, who was around them more, was more empathetic.
Man, every time I get reminded that the Half-pints don't/can't remember the events of Chain of Memories, I get kinda mad with Mickey and Riku because like
Yeah, Riku had his own path through Castle Oblivion, so he's not really going to know what happened in Sora's path, and thus can't fill him in on it
But they could've still given him a general outline, and it really seems like they never did? Like, _surely_ Sora would've stopped to ask "Hey, weren't we asleep for an entire year? How did that happen?"
Like, can they just not properly tell him because it'd be like that moment in the Team Fortress 2 comics where Medic mentioned he removed a piece of Demoman's brain to get him to stop asking about putting a new eye in his cursed eye socket, and somehow remembering about it causes him to be temporarily brain damaged?
And for those completely unfamiliar with TF2 lore, I'd like to assure you that that is one of the least insane things that happens
I just wanna say sorry to Mickey for all my crap
For those who don’t know only 3 worlds in kh2 are optional all others including agrabah are required.
Another thing I noticed about the "Xemnas/Xemnus" theme from Days is that the leitmotif is used just before the Darkness of the Unknown motif in the cutscene where Roxas returns in KH3.
Tbf MatPat did give solid evidence to suggest the Frozen level might have initially been based on the original drafts for Frozen where Elsa was evil (Nomura dod say he say previews for the movie before it even premieried), especially with the weird moments like Larxene summoning an ice castle out of nowhere or Hans turning into a wolf monster with little explanation, also explaining their interest in her moreso.
I feel like Days made it fairly clear that they did have hearts, DDD just finally confirmed it. I chalk that misconception up to people not playing the original game and just watching the movie.
I think its better that Roxas can dual wield because of xion since it make more sense for days narrative
Roxas having two keyblades because of Ventus feels so wrong, but I guess it's not entirely out of line when we're shown how Xigbar sees Xion as Ventus
Wow thanks for clearing a lot of things up now I like these games even more
god i love your content, so glad the algorithm brought me here
30:10 I remember reading many years before Sora got announced for Smash that an interviewer asked someone at Disney if they'd let Sora be added to Smash, and the person from Disney basically said that in order for Sora to appear in anything, three parties' permission is needed: 1) Disney 2) Square Enix 3) Nomura. From a legal standpoint, only Disney's permission would be needed, but out of respect Disney doesn't do anything with Sora without Square Enix and Nomura agreeing to it
The guy from Disney then went on to say that Disney doesn't have any issues with Sora being in Smash, so if there's a holdup, it's not from them. Although take all of this with a grain of salt - I have no idea where I read this, and it's many years ago, so my memory might not be 100% accurate
Also, regarding the whole thing where Nomura basically says he was the holdup - you really can't read too much into Nomura's answer there. Implying that someone else was the holdup could negatively affect other people/companies, which Japanese work culture really frowns upon, so that was always going to be Nomura's answer, regardless of whether it's the truth or not. So that answer really doesn't tell you anything. It's just Japanese business etiquette to answer like that
Yep, figured the Xemnus thing was a simple typo or transliteration error since his name is Zemunasu in JP.
Anti-Aqua, I think UX clears up. She, and only her, has Darkling hands. That's probably the key detail of what separates 'Norts and Darklings.
The ages of the Destiny Trio one always gets me. It's like the simplest of these to double check, how can you get confused by it? I'd get missing the extra 1 year after MOM due to the lack of change, but of all the timelines in KH, it's the easiest to follow.
Anyway, glad for this video. I recently got told the Smash myth so it's nice to get the facts.
I was aware of replica riku but I thought I was going crazy because I had no idea where I learned that information from
Here's another one for you.
There's a misconception that things play out the way they do because that's what was written in the Book of Prophecies.
It's actually the opposite, those events are in the Book _because_ they happened. It's more history than prophecy. It's essentially the Master's journal.
To be honest, I think it's sort of both at the same time.
I still would love to see Neku and Sora team up again. My heart would be enlightened to see them again
the only nobody related thing that felt like a bit of a stretch to me but could also kinda be explained by the same thing of xemnas (and xigbar) pulling the wool over the other org members eyes is the whole "your nobody being destroyed means you cease to exist at all" thing, becoming "if your nobody and heartless are destroyed you reform as your original human self" like that one more likely just is a retcon that you kinda make work vs the nobodies having hearts thing definitely always being intended imo, but it also fits cos if the org members knew that dying as a nobody was basically a shot at life again they largely wouldn't have reason to follow xemnas
I think repliku might also be riku's nobody. He and Sora were both heartless in CoM. Yellow eyes is darkness, correct! We used to think it meant norting but he clarified it to be darkness as the releases came, not to mention yellow eyes in general in JP usually means darkness.
Aqua is transforming into something X introduced. Darkling. A keyblade wielder, who loses their keyblade and succumbs to darkness, aqua is midway transforming into a darkling. Her hands are the same. She's not norted but kingdom hearts variant of skull kid
I think Xemnas being Xemnus will be a major plot point down the road. Don't underestimate Nomura.... 😂
I’m not sure why Kingdom Hearts fans were thinking that what MatPat said was true, when the entire point of Game Theory, is that it’s just a theory, “A Game Theory”… plus they’re just misinterpreting what that girl said in the Frozen sucks in KH3 video. I can’t remember her name but, she does have a point.
Would definitely love to see another one of these!
Whenever you have a “game completion” question. Always ask a speedrunner. We can tell you exactly what worlds you can or cannot do to finish the game because we are trying to figure out how to beat everything the fastest.
I think with Aqua, she was on the brink of losing hope, she was so close to falling and that little blast of darkness Ansem formed was enough to tip her over the edge. Obviously I don't know I just don't think it was to do with Xeha-snort, I believe it was more about being engulfed in her inner insecurity, as her personality became more like anti-Aqua, voicing doubts and her pain, etc.
I LOVED this video, and your editing is hilarious man. Great job on this.
_FASTER!_ lmao
30:00 i thought the height of the chairs were their numbers but I havent taken a close look at them in a while
I always felt like the O13 members were trying to return to become human again; not just regain their emotions. Remember, they say when a person becomes a Nobody, they lose their memories and the process of regaining them is really slow. Plus, even when a Nobody regains their heart, their body is still made of nothingness. Axel's death in KH2 showed that even though he regrew his heart, his body clearly wasn't made of flesh and blood. I saw O13 making Kingdom Hearts as an attempt to regain their original bodies and their identities.
Speedrunners would *LOVE* to know about that world-skipping technique that so many people think is possible, it's not like that would be a 5-10 minute time save or anything
I should mention, for the Agrabah one, you don't actually have to do the second visit to Olympus Coliseum. The minimum you need to be to access the last part of Twilight Town and hence TWTNW is both visits to LoD, BC, PR, HT, and Agrabah, and the first visits to OC and SP. Most notably, the only "non-minigame world" (Atlantica and 100-Acre Wood) you do not need to step foot in at all to defeat Final Xemnas is Pride Lands.
Heartless are indeed eternal thanks pat love you x