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I watched this video way too many times lol 1:33 Malagutti lands a flicking strike to Farrells face 1:52 Farrell pulls his high cut mid swing, and lands a low peasant cut to Malaguttis leg getting his hand cut in the process 1:59 Malagutti successfully delivers a flicking cut to Farrells hand 2:53 Malagutti delivers a well controlled peasant cut across Farrells left shoulder and chest, ensuring his safety 3:21 Malagutti performs a masterful disarm and dispatches a helpless Farrell 3:31 Farrells tip scratches Malaguttis facemask in a thrust, so he allows Farrell to control the center line and finish him off with an arm cut. 3:45 Malagutti takes advantage of his positioning and gets a slice in on Farrells neck 4:18 Farrell slips in a short edge duplieren on Malaguttis head 4:39 Farrell delivers a controlled peasant cut to Malaguttis wrist 4:48 Farrell performs a masterful gliding strike on Malaguttis head 4:54 Malagutti performs nachreissen against Farrells cut and lands a hand strike 5:10 Farrell executes a slice from the ochs position on Malaguttis hands and wrists 5:31 Malagutti thrusts his point out and lands a small flicking thrust into Farrells face 5:54 Malagutti thrusts his sword into Farrells face, and Farrell return thrusts to Malaguttis face in an almost instantaneous fashion 6:04 Malagutti delivers a clean thrust to Farrells face 6:49 Not sure what happened here. Final Score: Malagutti 9, Farrell 6 (possibly 7 with that last exchange) I have watched this video many times and always felt Farrell was the more successful fencer. Must be my Lichtenauer bias :D
This fight is really great! Both of you show very distinct approaches and techniques and a clear control of distance and movements with quite a number of 'key techniques' of the lineages. For sure one of the most enjoyable to watch sparring videos I have seen in the last few years!
This for me is one of those videos that you always wanted to see, but sadly didn't exist yet. Thank you for uploading :D This is a brilliant example of the prudent, clean fencing produced by a lack of cumbersome protective gear. Beautiful understanding of measure on display and well done for recognising and not falling for Mr Farrell's provokers!
Feels good when you've have studied HEMA longsword enough, that you can tell the difference between schools like Fiore and Liechtenauer just by watching people fence.
Won't see strong-side Ox or Zwerchau in Fiore, so that is a dead giveaway. Weak side Ox is just called Posta di Finestra in Fiore. I'm not a Liechtenauer expert, but I don't think he has anything like Coda Lungha, which I saw the fencer in black do a couple of times ;)
@@flashingsword I feel like they were really trying to experiment with the different technique specific to each school. Wish they could have been in full contact gear because a lot of the strikes are out of measure. (probably for safety)
now, to help a guy who is new to this out, would i be right to think the guy in blue is the german tradition because he seems to want to enter a bind and wind around it a lotA right? see i dont know in depth the difference between something like fiore and something in the german systems...
Basically the weapon itself work in the same way. Keith (Blue) uses a bigger number of cuts (false edge downward cuts, Zwerchau ecc) while I have a more simpler epertoire of actions. I do sword grabbind a lot, which is a lot Fioresque. Keith use engaging method and series of cuts from the late renaissance german tradition. Winding is not really peculiar of the germans, while Italian wind only on the inside of the opponent sword, germans on the other way wind also on the outside of it. Hope this will help :)
Hey mate this fight is amazing! Is this your full scale sparring or are you both fighting slower than usual (as you are wearing little protective gear). If so how do you control your fighting this well?
RickReked thank you! Yes we go slower than our maximum speed, but we are still quite fast. This was possible because both me and Keith practice also in this way more or less regularly, if you want to approach this practice just start very slowly and build up the speed during the days of practice. All the bests
Regenyai swords. You have to ask the swordsmith if the sword is suitable for sparring and if yes for what kind of intensity. There are not other ways to know.
Amazing stuff! I notice you use alot of thrusts, is that unique to Fiore, your own style, or just because of the particular guards you were using here?
I like thrusts because of the reach and the bigger number of options that comes out of them if you fail to hit the target. Plus lines can be covered by rotating the crossguard while you hit, making them the best long range offensive action in my opinion. So in part is my choice, but of course Fiore specify that 5 different thrusts exists and I try to use all of them when is needed.
Has a lot of similarity with Meyer, MFFG style, but still looks different. We know that Meyer and others Taught "The Art of Lichtenhaur", but what exactly is this interpretation of Lichtenhaur based upon? Not being funny about it or attempting to dispute the validity in any way, just curious because I don't know of any direct way to Study his Art or that it exists as a stand-alone System? If it is reverse-engineered from Meyer that would make sense, I'm doing just that with the Marxbruder School... Derek Diablo- MBHF/Marxbruder Historical Fencing
@@day7141 not offended at all! It’s just a funny statement if related to my knowledge of manuals. It may be said that part of German fencing partially adapted to competition necessities. Italy lesser while in the same period (16tg century). But during the 14th/15th century almost every manual be it north or south of the alps was mainly about cutting down people with room for adaptation to other contexts. Plus, if we consider that Italy was the main battlefield in Europe for hundreds of years, it is funny to think that the fighting style was more game-ish. Also when I shot this sparring I was still training almost only with minimal gear only. So it’s a weird fencing method quite a lot far from how I fence now in a more complete and complex way. So to be honest the comment looked funny because there are a lot of layers of context behind this specific performance which may be not have been taken into consideration. And also as I said, my knowledge of sources tend to go against it.
Wow, it's natural you like Porta di Ferro, you are italianand posta di Donna too, it's in your genes, i like swiching in between those to stances for affense and defense concluding allways with a thrust in 70% of my solo drills.
Is the German practitioner actually practicing Liechtenauer or is he mixing it with Meyer? Cause I'm seeing lots of stuff from him that is not Liechtenauer at all. This is just based on my own experience and so it's purely anecdotal, but it seems to me like Fiore practitioners are generally much better at staying faithful to what Fiore teaches in his manual than Liechtenauer practitioners are at staying faithful to what the Gesselschaft taught in their manuals. Maybe that's because of the confusion added by pan-German longsword practice or maybe it's caused by something in Liechtenauer sources themselves.
I should have wrote German vs Italian Longsword probably. We are both fencing using our own experience in regards of german and Italian sources. As far as I know, Keith study all the german tradition, but I think he focus a bit more on the earlier sources. But I can be wrong!
Feders are good for a more tournament oriented fencing, I prefer to do as much training as possible with blunts. But that's just my personal opinion about this.
I might be in the minority but i am really not a fan of minimal gear sparring even at the pace, mostly because they are using steels and although they clearly have a lot of training sometimes a quick reaction will just be instinctual and might hurt someone. beautiful form though!
Important to understand that we are not comparing systems, but rather fencers. In this instance, fencer of the school of Fiore seems to apply his style better and more consistently, in doing so, he wins more often.
I don’t know if minimal gear sparring is a good idea. You cannot do ”full contact” becouse that isn’t safe without enough protective gear. Imo full contact is the way to go when sparring. It is closer to real combat because you strike with full power. Also the fencing in this video looked really carefull. With more aggressive fighting style you could’ve exploited some of the opportunities that came up durning the fight. But that is just my opinion, feel free to disagree
To be honest, I think low-gear sparring is probably closer to what an actual duel would have looked like. As there is at least some fear of getting hit involved, it makes fencing more cautious and tactical. That is then of course balanced by the artifacts the slower speed creates... I personally prefer to do both, I think they supplement each other well and help me get better at fighting faster than just sparring only one way or the other.
Yeah, it's amazing how much better your fighting is when you're not armored up and charging in like an idiot. When you actually have to protect yourself, that's when you learn.
full contact without skills is good for street or pub fight. for learning techniques is better no preotective gear cause you have better control of your movement. my opinion is better start from basement then full contact.
For example, Keith went into Zornhut a few times, a guard known for its ability to deliver very powerful cuts. But because he couldn't deliver those cuts (and also couldn't plow through his opponent's defenses as he might have) the guard's usefulness was somewhat diminished.
I notice that Fiore longsword is a bit more showy than Liechtenauer longsword, and speaking as someone who has practiced both traditions an equal amount I am not biased towards either. Also, some of the guards in Fiore are pretty pointless. Bicornu is a great example. I have yet to use it successfully in a combat situation. Posts di dona is ok, but the point is a bit too far behind me for comfort. I see the use of both systems, but the Lichtenauer tradition is a lot more practical in my opinion.
Personally on the practical aspect I would say the opposite, but of course it is a personal opinion. Some Fiore postas are not useful from out of measure, Bicorno is one of them ;)
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Federico, what shoes are you using?
Verithiell hi! I use Onitsuka Tiger shoes.
I never realized Fiore was so much taller than Liechtenauer.
He wins because of that right there. Reach is a huge advantage in a fight.
I watched this video way too many times lol
1:33 Malagutti lands a flicking strike to Farrells face
1:52 Farrell pulls his high cut mid swing, and lands a low peasant cut to Malaguttis leg getting his hand cut in the process
1:59 Malagutti successfully delivers a flicking cut to Farrells hand
2:53 Malagutti delivers a well controlled peasant cut across Farrells left shoulder and chest, ensuring his safety
3:21 Malagutti performs a masterful disarm and dispatches a helpless Farrell
3:31 Farrells tip scratches Malaguttis facemask in a thrust, so he allows Farrell to control the center line and finish him off with an arm cut.
3:45 Malagutti takes advantage of his positioning and gets a slice in on Farrells neck
4:18 Farrell slips in a short edge duplieren on Malaguttis head
4:39 Farrell delivers a controlled peasant cut to Malaguttis wrist
4:48 Farrell performs a masterful gliding strike on Malaguttis head
4:54 Malagutti performs nachreissen against Farrells cut and lands a hand strike
5:10 Farrell executes a slice from the ochs position on Malaguttis hands and wrists
5:31 Malagutti thrusts his point out and lands a small flicking thrust into Farrells face
5:54 Malagutti thrusts his sword into Farrells face, and Farrell return thrusts to Malaguttis face in an almost instantaneous fashion
6:04 Malagutti delivers a clean thrust to Farrells face
6:49 Not sure what happened here.
Final Score: Malagutti 9, Farrell 6 (possibly 7 with that last exchange)
I have watched this video many times and always felt Farrell was the more successful fencer. Must be my Lichtenauer bias :D
Ahahahah! Cool, I'm happy that you liked the video so much.
Btw, the last action made by keith was a well controlled thrust to my right wrist :)
I have boxed for a number of years. I see in this what I see in boxing, a Science that I'm falling in love with! Outstanding!!!
The arts in both of these systems is shown nicely. Tempo, measure, guards, foot work were all displayed elegantly. Salut! Prost!
This fight is really great! Both of you show very distinct approaches and techniques and a clear control of distance and movements with quite a number of 'key techniques' of the lineages. For sure one of the most enjoyable to watch sparring videos I have seen in the last few years!
This for me is one of those videos that you always wanted to see, but sadly didn't exist yet. Thank you for uploading :D
This is a brilliant example of the prudent, clean fencing produced by a lack of cumbersome protective gear. Beautiful understanding of measure on display and well done for recognising and not falling for Mr Farrell's provokers!
Thank You very much for your nice words!
Feels good when you've have studied HEMA longsword enough, that you can tell the difference between schools like Fiore and Liechtenauer just by watching people fence.
Won't see strong-side Ox or Zwerchau in Fiore, so that is a dead giveaway. Weak side Ox is just called Posta di Finestra in Fiore. I'm not a Liechtenauer expert, but I don't think he has anything like Coda Lungha, which I saw the fencer in black do a couple of times ;)
@@flashingsword I feel like they were really trying to experiment with the different technique specific to each school. Wish they could have been in full contact gear because a lot of the strikes are out of measure. (probably for safety)
Beautiful sparring. This is the art in martial arts. You two put in lots of practice and it shows. Earned a subscribe from me easily
Very awesome video thank you to all involved for this. You can definitely see the difference.
That blade grapple was fucking sweet!
4:59 is my favorite exchange, super flashy ending in a slice! Even worthy of a hug at the end :D
Awesome sparring, idk why i did not know this channel before.
♪ Everybody was long-sword fighting!
In fact it was a little bit frightening...
Those cuts where fast as lightning...
Really nice movement! Keith seems to be using a lot of Meyer's approaches.
Thank you! :)
Very cool. I enjoyed this a lot.
Thanks for sharing!
Excellent performances and good choise of music. :)
Thank You!
now, to help a guy who is new to this out, would i be right to think the guy in blue is the german tradition because he seems to want to enter a bind and wind around it a lotA
right?
see i dont know in depth the difference between something like fiore and something in the german systems...
Basically the weapon itself work in the same way. Keith (Blue) uses a bigger number of cuts (false edge downward cuts, Zwerchau ecc) while I have a more simpler epertoire of actions. I do sword grabbind a lot, which is a lot Fioresque. Keith use engaging method and series of cuts from the late renaissance german tradition.
Winding is not really peculiar of the germans, while Italian wind only on the inside of the opponent sword, germans on the other way wind also on the outside of it.
Hope this will help :)
obvipusly blunted steel, but those points, Woo! Im glad no one was hurt. I know you slowed it down but still...looked good though.
Wow, well that was a bloody riveting watch!
Complimenti davvero
Hey mate this fight is amazing! Is this your full scale sparring or are you both fighting slower than usual (as you are wearing little protective gear). If so how do you control your fighting this well?
RickReked thank you! Yes we go slower than our maximum speed, but we are still quite fast. This was possible because both me and Keith practice also in this way more or less regularly, if you want to approach this practice just start very slowly and build up the speed during the days of practice.
All the bests
Also mate what swords are you both using and how do you know what swords are suitable for sparring?
Regenyai swords. You have to ask the swordsmith if the sword is suitable for sparring and if yes for what kind of intensity. There are not other ways to know.
1:12 like how the swords were on beat with the track, lol, it was semi-cinematic.
Blue guy kind of reminds me of Sora (that's the main character, right?) from kingdom hearts.
wunderbar
man i love watching Liechtenauer longsword
Una domanda Federico...per una spada longa senza filo è necessario il porto d'armi?
Hanry Facis no tranquillo. Va trattato come un’arma impropria. Come un cacciavite o un martello.
@@FedericoMalagutti grazie mille
id like to see more meyer!
(its just so good)
nice video !
Just for fun what was the lenght of the sword involved ?
117.5 cm ^_^
Federico Malagutti Thank you !
For Keith Too ?
Yes, both the swords are mine.
Federico Malagutti Thanks for the information!
Amazing stuff! I notice you use alot of thrusts, is that unique to Fiore, your own style, or just because of the particular guards you were using here?
I like thrusts because of the reach and the bigger number of options that comes out of them if you fail to hit the target. Plus lines can be covered by rotating the crossguard while you hit, making them the best long range offensive action in my opinion. So in part is my choice, but of course Fiore specify that 5 different thrusts exists and I try to use all of them when is needed.
@@FedericoMalagutti Thank you for the reply! I absolutely love Fiore, im quite happy to have found your channel, keep up the good work!
These guys can fight!
what swords are you using in the video? They don't look blunt. Thanks
We are using Peter Regenyei blunt Oakeshott Type XVa Longswords.
Federico Malagutti thanks
Has a lot of similarity with Meyer, MFFG style, but still looks different. We know that Meyer and others Taught "The Art of Lichtenhaur", but what exactly is this interpretation of Lichtenhaur based upon?
Not being funny about it or attempting to dispute the validity in any way, just curious because I don't know of any direct way to Study his Art or that it exists as a stand-alone System?
If it is reverse-engineered from Meyer that would make sense, I'm doing just that with the Marxbruder School...
Derek Diablo- MBHF/Marxbruder Historical Fencing
Fiore is moving at like 60% speed while livhten is at %40
Proving that the Italian system was based on sport, where as the German systems evolved on the battlefields.
lol
@@FedericoMalagutti you decided to be offended instead of thinking about it.
@@day7141 not offended at all! It’s just a funny statement if related to my knowledge of manuals.
It may be said that part of German fencing partially adapted to competition necessities. Italy lesser while in the same period (16tg century). But during the 14th/15th century almost every manual be it north or south of the alps was mainly about cutting down people with room for adaptation to other contexts.
Plus, if we consider that Italy was the main battlefield in Europe for hundreds of years, it is funny to think that the fighting style was more game-ish.
Also when I shot this sparring I was still training almost only with minimal gear only. So it’s a weird fencing method quite a lot far from how I fence now in a more complete and complex way.
So to be honest the comment looked funny because there are a lot of layers of context behind this specific performance which may be not have been taken into consideration. And also as I said, my knowledge of sources tend to go against it.
just a dreamer against another.
Wow, it's natural you like Porta di Ferro, you are italianand posta di Donna too, it's in your genes, i like swiching in between those to stances for affense and defense concluding allways with a thrust in 70% of my solo drills.
Now You need to stay 2 meters apart. All stay well.
Is the German practitioner actually practicing Liechtenauer or is he mixing it with Meyer? Cause I'm seeing lots of stuff from him that is not Liechtenauer at all. This is just based on my own experience and so it's purely anecdotal, but it seems to me like Fiore practitioners are generally much better at staying faithful to what Fiore teaches in his manual than Liechtenauer practitioners are at staying faithful to what the Gesselschaft taught in their manuals. Maybe that's because of the confusion added by pan-German longsword practice or maybe it's caused by something in Liechtenauer sources themselves.
I should have wrote German vs Italian Longsword probably. We are both fencing using our own experience in regards of german and Italian sources. As far as I know, Keith study all the german tradition, but I think he focus a bit more on the earlier sources. But I can be wrong!
David Goldstein lots of Meyer in there. Which at that point was fencing rather than unarmoured fighting
Ciao, scusami, di che fabbro è la tua spada?
Quella in questo video è di Regenyei Peter. Di solito però uso una Malleus Martialis, che preferisco.
Federico Malagutti For us english folk, is it Peter's custom blunt longswords?
Yes ;)
Federico Malagutti Thanks! Do you prefer blunts for sparring or feders?
Feders are good for a more tournament oriented fencing, I prefer to do as much training as possible with blunts. But that's just my personal opinion about this.
I might be in the minority but i am really not a fan of minimal gear sparring even at the pace, mostly because they are using steels and although they clearly have a lot of training sometimes a quick reaction will just be instinctual and might hurt someone. beautiful form though!
Important to understand that we are not comparing systems, but rather fencers. In this instance, fencer of the school of Fiore seems to apply his style better and more consistently, in doing so, he wins more often.
I don’t know if minimal gear sparring is a good idea.
You cannot do ”full contact” becouse that isn’t safe without enough protective gear.
Imo full contact is the way to go when sparring.
It is closer to real combat because you strike with full power.
Also the fencing in this video looked really carefull. With more aggressive fighting style you could’ve exploited some of the opportunities that came up durning the fight.
But that is just my opinion, feel free to disagree
Every kind of sparring have its own place. Full gear sparring is too much aggressive, minimal gear is too much carefull.
To be honest, I think low-gear sparring is probably closer to what an actual duel would have looked like. As there is at least some fear of getting hit involved, it makes fencing more cautious and tactical. That is then of course balanced by the artifacts the slower speed creates... I personally prefer to do both, I think they supplement each other well and help me get better at fighting faster than just sparring only one way or the other.
Yeah, it's amazing how much better your fighting is when you're not armored up and charging in like an idiot. When you actually have to protect yourself, that's when you learn.
full contact without skills is good for street or pub fight. for learning techniques is better no preotective gear cause you have better control of your movement. my opinion is better start from basement then full contact.
For example, Keith went into Zornhut a few times, a guard known for its ability to deliver very powerful cuts. But because he couldn't deliver those cuts (and also couldn't plow through his opponent's defenses as he might have) the guard's usefulness was somewhat diminished.
I notice that Fiore longsword is a bit more showy than Liechtenauer longsword, and speaking as someone who has practiced both traditions an equal amount I am not biased towards either. Also, some of the guards in Fiore are pretty pointless. Bicornu is a great example. I have yet to use it successfully in a combat situation. Posts di dona is ok, but the point is a bit too far behind me for comfort. I see the use of both systems, but the Lichtenauer tradition is a lot more practical in my opinion.
Personally on the practical aspect I would say the opposite, but of course it is a personal opinion. Some Fiore postas are not useful from out of measure, Bicorno is one of them ;)
Italians do it better