2022 Energica Experia review | Electric Touring
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- Опубліковано 17 лип 2022
- Adventure bikes have dominated sales for the last 15 years and electric motorcycle sales are growing at a faster rate than any other category, but we’ve seen relatively few attempts to combine the two. The new #energica #Experia looks to be the most convincing attempt yet to create a battery-powered machine that genuinely matches ICE-powered rivals in terms of performance, weight and range. Michael Mann of #bikesocial fame tested one in Italy recently.
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Happy to stop at 150 miles for a cuppa, chat and wander. But £27,000 plus is crazy money. Still electric is getting there.
In the USA the Experia price is competitive with leading sports tourers from BMW and Ducati (actually a little cheaper). Not sure about the situation in the UK.
Need alot of work on the charging network the chargers are almost never working
Biggest problem is still the charge time. 40 minutes to go to 80% means that you’ll spend a lot of time on tour at a charge station. Get that down to 15 minutes (wee break + quick bite), price it about £15k and it’ll become a lot more interesting.
In practice you schedule your 1-2 daily DC charging stops around Lunch or Afternoon Snack. That's 3-ish hours of riding, stop for 1 hour to eat lunch, 3 more hours of riding. I find (current EV motorcycle owner) than in practice that it is no big deal. You stop, settle in, use restroom, get something to eat/drink, etc.
@@OrlandoRick indeed .. i find suddenly everybody wants to ride 600km a day .. shure i was young once too ...now i love to ride easy and enjoy . So start full .. one stop .. and still travel 400km !!!
@@gmy33 During the summer, I can do 1000km a day to get to an interesting place (the Alps, Norway, etc) and then spend the week riding anywhere from 200km - 400km days. My current bike does this without skipping a beat. Am interested in the Experia, but it's just not ready for touring unless we drastically redefine what "touring" means.
@@PhilG221 so your problem is getting there .. .. and day trips will be no problem .. .. ijust love electric will never buy ice again .. have been e mx ing the last 7 years
Nice one Michael, great review. I think by the time we are all kind of forced to go electric they will be that good nobody will mind. I'm liking the looks of this one, and that scenery was spectacular.👍
Great footage! My wife and I have two Experias on order, which we definitely intend to tour with. We have the previous generation Ribelles and with those we have learned to tour about 275 miles a day (one DC fast charge in between but can do 400 miles with two charges). Sure, not as much, as easily, as a gas bike; but it fits our leisurely touring style. With this new model we hope to be able to go further (300+ and 450+ mile days) and stay out on longer multi-day trips (extra storage makes a big difference). Yes, we do have to adapt our trips for chargers, but it hasn't been too bad. The apps for finding chargers are good and part of the route planning is some charger routing. But it hasn't stopped us from riding all over New England, PA Amish country, Monument Valley, Sequioa National Park, Yosemite, Blue Ridge Parkway, Key West, and more. With these new ones we will be able to go further and farther. Our old touring bikes (KTM 1290 SA, KTM 1290 SDGT) were simply too hot in the summer and required service way too often (something always was acting up after every long ride). EV motorcycles are smooth, cool, and incredibly reliable.
Seriously! You must be riding everywhere at 40mph 😂
@@mrflores7708 45-65 is the average speed on back roads which gives us 125ish range on our current bikes, we can slow it to 45-55 to get 135 or so. With these new ones we hope to hit 160 miles on those same back roads.
I'm an EV convert but on the low-end of the price range. I've got a Surron Storm Bee enduro (cost £6k slightly used) and a Dengfu eMTB (electric mountain bike for £2500). I'm lucky we have cheap electricity rates in Mongolia where I live. There is no public charging infrastructure but I can ride from home and return to recharge for very little money. I still have an ICE bike for longer tours 2-up. It's a 1993 Honda Transalp that I bought used for £1.5k. I'm a cheap bastard so I can't see spending that much.
Light is better anyways .. and a stormbee for 6k is geeat !!!! ....for me for asphalt commuting and some holidays tbeough the mauntai s this is a dream !!! So after my zerofx that i rode for 7 years .. i ordered this one ... and bought it halfprice since its for my company
@@gmy33 Just to be clear, did you order a Storm Bee? If so, I think you'll really like it.
@@martinfoster5163 stormbee is like my zero fx almost .. i had a lot of fun with it .. for 7 years now ! .. i ordered the energica experia for commuting and longer trips ! ...
So realistically that's a 40 minute stop every 150 miles for a 'touring' bike that costs £27k, assuming that:
a) you can find a charger
b) the charger works
c) you don't have to wait for a turn on the charger
d) you've got a brand new battery
e) it isn't cold and/or dark.
Even in the fantasy land where I have £27k to spend on anything, I'll still be giving that a hard pass for the forseeable future.
b) the charger works.... LOL...you're funny. Sounds like somebody is afraid of change :).
@@meteorstorm1 He sounds very practical to me.
@@GapBahnDirk Do you go to the fuel pump with your bike thinking...i hope this pump will work...? No :). The comment is anything but rational. I don't know if electricity will be viable though. I surely wouldn't buy an electric adventure bike at this point in time, but to try and learn we must :).
@@meteorstorm1 I have seen plenty of video’s from people like Shmee150 who end up just driving around trying to find a working charger. If people want us to change then it has to be as convenient as fuel or somewhere near
@Ar Tee bruh. Stfu gas is around $7/gal
I would never ever pay 27k for any bike and then have the worry of charging it especially when touring
Who on earth is going to pay £27k for a bike with limited range and the worry of the logistics of charging? Average price of an adventure bike is around £15k, that difference is a lot of petrol, even at today’s prices
yep and if you actually took it on a proper adventure instead of just cruising from one Starbucks to the next..........? We can't all afford the Rivian backup pickups with diesel generators in the back as well............
You get about £2000 of that back over 50K miles in reduced servicing costs. The rest, arguably, in saved fuel costs over the same 50K miles. So if you wanted a fun commuter for 50 miles a day, it would break even in a year or so while saving the planet. The 2nd year is free money! Caveat: The reason your Tesla battery lasts longer than the car but your laptop battery doesn’t is the BMS on the Tesla that intelligently looks after the battery. I note that the Energica water cools battery & motor, which will help longevity, but does it run a BMS? If not, battery life will be an open question for now…
@@fat_biker Yeah except that you won't actually save the planet in any way and that you won't have nearly as much fun on a proper bike with exhaust sound and gears.
@@Struwdog8281 If you are charging the bike with solar panels on your shed roof then yes, you are saving the planet. Fun is subjective - some say instant max torque at any speed is it’s own kind of fun… also it’s quite nice as you waft along to know you aren’t funding Crown Prince Bonesaw or Vladimir ‘War Crimes’ Putin…
@@fat_biker Fun may be subjective but true pollution footprint isn't. Even solar panels aren't as eco friendly as they sound because making them creates quite a bit of pollution and then there is the recycling problem. The other thing is how many people do you know that have solar panels on their roofs for things other than geysers? And lastly say if you live in the UK would you even get enough sunshine for the solar panel do to anything and to make enough eco friendly electricity to even start to compensate the electricity used to make it and the cost of the solar panel itself?
Good first attempt. In a few years we'll have a lot more electric offerings from other brands too, I'll be waiting for that.
How many charging points in the Dolomites? I just don't want one. If it were £10.000 I just don't want one.
Very refined. Would love to ride one!
Can someone point out one 0kus point to a 27k bike with limited range?
I just spent 2.5 months and 13,500 km riding around Europe on a bike with similar horsepower, torque and weight (an ‘07 R1200GSA). Even the same Pirelli tires. Looking back I think this Experia would have been the perfect bike for that trip. During the fun sections (like the two weeks in the Dolomiti) I would only do 200 to 250 km a day, so could do it on one charge and then charge up at the hotel overnight waking up to a full tank the next morning. On longer distance days on the autobahn there are loads of DC fast chargers at most rest stops so stopping for a cappuccino and croissant would be enough time to charge the bike. Yeah, this could be my next bike very easily.
Interesting specs, just what I would be looking at power and range wise (similar ish to my Triumph Trophy 900) very very tempting now
I wonder how many touring destinations could handle a group of electric bikes all turning up requiring charge? When touring Scotland on our ICE bikes our whole group of bikes were filled at one rural pump in under 10mins.
Instead of choosing touring destinations and stops you really want to see, touring will be based around where your app tells you there is available charging.
Love to see a journalist live long term with one of these. Do your big European tour two up with luggage. Then report back.
I predict sales way up in the high teens.
Looks like a electric version of my Multi V2S, nice but twice the price, you need to do a lot of miles to make it pay but it’s the future. Love the styling..
Definitely a resemblance to the V2S, the sportbike on stilts look. Personally I think it looks great.
The three main issues mentioned in the video; range, charge time and the big one, cost.
Range .. to me starting full and charging once at lunch is just great ...and overnight charging is easy at home or campground .. price is no problem . Loads of people buy bikes 30k and up .. i buy this for commuting so my company so in the end it ll cost me half :-) .. and sometimes the govrmnt gives an extra 1200 ! ... so not too bad 15k for very practical fun bike with very low maintanance
@@gmy33 We obviously have very different ideas about affordability and income. The most I've ever spent on a bike was five grand. As an NHS employee there is no way I could ever spend £15,000 let alone £27,000! I don't think I'm the only one in this position.
@@colinculverwell325 i couldnt afford this for 25 years .. now i can .. second hand zero bike is allready under 5k .. but dont buy zero they have bad service .. .. time wil make it shurely cheaper
The problem is that the limited range due to inherent limited battery volume/weight density, and limited charging points means that electric motorcycles/scooters are only really viable in large cities or very short commutes to work.
I really dont see how this is a good idea, seeing how its supposed to be a 'touring bike'.
See rather a lot of the big tourers that go no further than the coffee shop tbh :)
@@shardlake That's more of a user rather than a bike problem. And I do think this bike could do that. However, there's plenty of bikes that can do that for less than half the price.
@@tHaH4x0r For those with more money than sense, this would be the perfect "green" status symbol :)
Would be a great review, but the sound quality (constant 'clicking;, heard with headphones) is letting it down.
How much did they pay you?
Oxymoron. 2,000 miles last week, Germany, Italy, Austria, France, Belgium and home. Try planning that based around charging points.
That's less than 300 miles a day (2k/7),.. This bike does 160 miles... so it means that you stop once halfway (lunch?) to charge and keep going. This motorcycle can do that and more.
@@OrlandoRick As I said, it's the planning. Of you just want to ride between cities, okay. But on the back roads in France and Austria it's not that easy. Unless you just want to ride between chargers.
@@MillfieldWheels Yep, it is a challenge. We feel that the performance benefit of the EV makes it worthwhile, having to tweak and adjust our routes properly, but obviously there is lots of room for infrastructure improvements that will make it more seamless and concern free. I think my point is that it was possible, just required extra planning as you go.
@@MillfieldWheels The software helps a lot with this -indicating where charging stations are etc.. Hey its not for you - cest la vie
At that price the target market seem to be rich, environmental conscious people who also happen to be into performance motorcycles, the Ven diagram resulting from interlocking those circles seems very narrow to me.
How much are your GSs and Ducatis? Are they having half price fridays anytime soon?
I’m pretty sure the shape could be different.
It just looks like an ICE bike
And why is that bad?
@@johnnyblue4799 because it can now be different.
@@GadgetMart Why? For the sake of being different? I think bikes should be beautiful, not necessarily different... If an ICE bike looks great why not have an E bike that looks similar? Many bikes these days look worse that those of the early 2000s I think. Help me understand the benefits, or the need for different.
@@johnnyblue4799 no because a standard motorcycle is form following function.
Electric vehicles allow us to throw all that in the bin and start again with something better.
Why has it got a ‘fuel tank?’ It’s ridiculous
And yes I get the NC750 thing
@@GadgetMart Well, you're right to a point. You don't need a tank, or an exhaust anymore, but the space is occupied by batteries, charger, electronics etc. Those have to be placed somewhere. The form of a tank is such that it allows for a lot more function than storing fuel. It offers you a space to grab with your knees in tight turns or when braking hard. It can be turned into a storage if there's enough room left. You can place a tank bag on top of it. I'd certainly dislike a bike that has nothing in front of me, even if only because I can rest on that tank when I'm riding long distance.
Look at 1:50 mark. It seems that the space under the cover that resembles the tank is already filled with something.
Also a motorbike is something that needs to ergonomically fit a human... the current shape is quite decent at that.
Love the thing, but 27k? Not a chance I'm going to part with that kind of money for any bike.
Great for civilised country’s but here in Oz where you need to do at least 500 klms a day to get anywhere ev bikes will never work until they develop instant charge slow release high capacity capacitors. They are working on this technology.
For more range, an electric motor powered by a fuel cell running on carbon neutral fuel would be interesting.
I agree. After building and riding my E-bicycle 29er trail bike for 5 years Im sold on the technology. On my motorcycle I like total freedom to go without planning. Fuel cell Hydrogen is my thinking. Hydrogen fueling stations are very expensive to build though and thats why battery is the plan at the moment...
YT Channel " Manno Motorcycle Adventure " took your/this video, cut it up, zoomed in to remove your water, and pasted all his info over it to call it his.
Nice bike, I have two electric cars, I'm easily convinced of an EV Bike, but wouldn't pay £27k, just far too much money. I paid a lot for the cars I have, Tesla M3P and Peugeot e-208, but they come with a lot more technology for the price. Hopefully the price comes down over the next few years.
Not sure about UK pricing, but in the USA the list price of the Experia is competitive with leading sports touring bikes from European vendors (BMW, Ducati, KTM).
@@OrlandoRick I could get a BMW K1600 for the same price
@@dexradio There you go!
Does anyone know what is limiting EV motorcycles producers to have higher charging speed? This seems to be the top of currently available EV bikes and it is charging with only 21-23kW, why? Cars easily do 50kW, 100kW and the top models even more. Is it the size of the bike that doesn't allow some devices which would add too much to weight? Imagine this bike can charge double the speed, you would get 0-80% in 20min, and if it is able to charge 4 times faster you get that state of charge in 10min - and we still would be talking about charging with 80kW speed which is not the highest speed comparing to cars. Big part of EV bike cost is the battery so I really would prefer to heve EV bike with 10-15kWh battery, which would bring cost down to 15-20k but have it charged 0-80% in 5min-10min. Thanks!
Maximum available charging speed is related to the capacity of the battery. The lower capacity batteries in motorcycles must be charged at lower rates to maintain battery health. Time to charge from e.g. 10 to 80 % should be comparable between cars and motorcycles, though.
Cars have very aggressive active cooling systems and much larger batteries (the larger the battery the faster you can charge), allowing much faster charging speeds. The current 25kW charging speed is limited because the battery only has passive cooling and is quite small in comparison to a car (1/3 to 1/4 the capacity). I imagine eventually a future model will eventually crack the light-active cooling challenge while charging and then be able to scale up closer to 50kW.
It seems that 50k miles is a bit of a break even point in the life of the bike
Problem is, many people, me included do maybe 20k tops on a bike
The maths don't work then
Not for me
(Edit: I'm critical of the bike, and I think that Energica is basically lying at this point. But I'm thankful for the review, and the general work of your channel) I have not watched the video yet, and here I'm leaving a comment. The principle of EV (esp. motorbikes) is appealing, but I get the feeling that I'm going to laugh when hearing about the range and the price of this thing... Of course, there is a development to be made, but why trying to replicate the performances of thermal engine motorbikes now ? The development would probably be faster and more efficient if it was focussed on smaller bikes... Well, let's watch, and come back when the numbers will have struck. 1:00 for f.ck sakes, I had the exact same blinkers on my 2011 SMT, and they weren't that fresh by then... Edit 2: 1:25 and now the price. I'll let myself laugh to death, or go ride my Super Adventure. I guess that when speaking about that kind of money, Energica stores are equipped with some kind of room where you can get an optional public spanking and go home with the tape. 2:16 Oh, and you don't even get a remote adjustment for preload with that kind of money. Come on. 3:00 And there is a key. Why not a starter kit, when they're at it? 5:43 Here we are. The claimed range is GREAT. And I don't believe it. Straight lie, from the company that would limit its 260 kg race bikes to seven laps. New battery, new motor, blablablah... 260 miles? At 30 mph maybe? I'm now waiting for a review in the wild.
A sports mode ought to allow the bike to do 0-100 km/t in 2,6 sek like the Energica Ego.... Tempting
How much does it cost to replace the battery after 7-10 years? Does scraping the motorcycle to a junkyard after 10 years a good environmental deal?
Battery will last longer than the rest of the bike.
A lithium battery can be 95% recycled and materials reused. Sounds good to me.
I'd be more than happy with a 50kW motor, 200kg, 150km/h top, and 200km range for 10k pounds but this is way too much for me in every aspect. Just the idea that a Superveloce S is 5K pounds cheaper is beyond me. But honestly even the perfect emoto I wouldn't buy right now because there's nowhere I could charge it. Not at home, not at work. La Fin.
@1:15 "so whilst the majority of the motorcycling community are hung up on range, charging time and cost" (which is said a bit disparagingly in my opinion), what's the rest of the sentence because you don't finish it? Instead you just mention the price, which I'm guessing 95% of real world bikers won't be able to afford now or ever. 0 to 60 even 0 to 100 the energica would stick with the Multistrada or 1290 SAS, maybe but at least they'll tour on for many more miles whilst the electric bike will have sapped a load of it's battery life trying to keep up! There are never, ever going to be enough charging points in the world, if every vehicle becomes electric. Now imagine just one group of 10 people touring together all trying to charge their bikes at the lunch stop, oh and now the other 2/3/4groups of other tourers all wanting to charge aswell, cloud cuckoo land. Vehicles will again become the preserve of the rich, which I'm guessing is the aim anyway. Unsubscribing because that was a load of biased tosh.
Just waiting for the hydrogen burning powered machines, jcb can burn hydrogen just like petrol engine (ice). So there maybe be hope to have the same bikes we currently have but with more power and less issues with the current charging ev vehicles infrastructure in the UK. Then maybe more realistic main purchase price. Insurance is still a high price issue for ev motorcycle.
Looks an interesting bike, but at £27k still way too expensive
Electric touring bike, surely an oxymoron, great if you want to tour the Isle of Wight. So in ideal conditions it has a max range of about 150 miles, throw in a few hills, high speed motorways and/or cold temperatures lucky to see 100 miles. And it costs 27k, so 12k more than a very decent actual touring bike.
Per leg, then you charge, and go again. Max range is about 160 miles in touring road use. Stop for lunch and re-charge, then ride another 160 miles. Charge again if you want to keep going.
I would never ever pay 27k for a bike and then worry about where I can charge it especially on a touring bike
Many more charging points in Europe. Get the feeling the UK is not there target demographic.
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Why would anyone buy this? Even if the price was halved you’d be mad to buy one.
It still needs servicing ( by “specialist techs”) to maintain warranty as do all EV’s. Not much cheaper than ICE servicing from experience.
To charge it still costs money (which is getting more expensive per kWh) unless it’s summer and you have solar panels.
You have to wait while it charges if you can find a charger that is available and isn’t broken. Don’t forget to download the correct app add all your details etc. I’ve noticed when staying away less places are willing to let you plug in for free at campsites/ b&b’s etc.
Hybrid is the way to go for now unless you have a short commute a solar set up with storage capability or can charge at work for free.
Synthetic fuel/hydrogen/hybrid has got to be the next solution? Electricity is not the answer.
Too expensive for most of us 😩
Looks good, sounds crap, too expensive, not for me.
£27k no thanks.
Not one of your best reports Michael. You didn't seem to be your normal efficient and informative self on this one. And you were rather repetitive too. I lost count of how many time we were told it had a new battery and motor! I am sure you will be back to normal for your next presentation.
The future is whiney.
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Kind of like your post.
Way too expensive, i will never pay anything even close that price for a bike .
Not wanting to piss on anyone's parade but Volvo did a study on the carbon footprint of electric vs ICE and because electric have a far higher carbon footprint in the manufacturing stage it only starts to become eco friendly after around 90000 miles, which in most cases is more than half the life span of the vehicle
Yeah, I've seen that. For bikes though it might be a bit less than 90k miles because the batteries are much smaller, but still, not looking that great for EVs as the publicity tells us.
The study was about the manufacturing process only. When you factor in the life of the vehicle, the overall footprint is lower. The scale turned at around 30k-60k miles, not 90k. However, this was a challenging study because of certain key assumptions it made that have already changed. But as an EV motorcycle owner, I own it because it is simply a better motorcycle. Smoother, cooler, faster. I'd still buy it even if you told me it had a 4 times worse carbon footprint and sunflower dies every time I charge it.
@@OrlandoRick No, it wasn't only manufacturing. If it was the EV will never get on top because they start with a CO2 handicap from manufacturing. They factored in the energy needed to run those vehicles.
@@OrlandoRick I wasn't having a go at EV motorcycles, I'm glad you like yours. I've never ridden one because where I live it's the best part of a five round trip just to get to and from a regular dealership, my comment was directed more at the way people are being sold the idea of EV's as being this environmental life saver when the reality is not the case, I fully understand that we have to ditch ICE vehicles and in a metropolitan area EV would be a great thing to reduce air pollution but the other elephant in the room regarding them is, we're years behind in the infrastructure to allow millions of people to charge vehicles at home, it would require massive investment from power supply companies which just won't happen for various reasons but mainly their not interested because it would affect profits.
@@diggeronenineone7254 Yep, lots of good points. I didn't buy EV to save the environment, I went EV because it was simlpy a 'better bike' to me. That's why my little joke about I don't care if it is worst for the environment (of course I do care); but the point was that those were not factors in my consideration. I'm a performance freak and once I went EV, I can't go back.
At that price, it is nowhere near competitive to a petrol bike. If they become 8k less, I will start turning my head to electric bikes. For now, not interested at all.
Energica will have a tough time on their hand based on all the dinosaurs chiming in here! Charging points are increasing rapidly (notwithstanding differing connectors, which really needs to be standardised- you don’t have 3 different petrol pump nozzles!) and unless I misheard the range was from 150 miles, not a maximum of 150 miles. Quiet, clean, no nasty higher order vibes knackering you on a longer day. Sounds like a decent touring recipe. But why oh why build an electric bike with a sodding chain! Put a quiet, clean belt drive on a quiet, clean bike for goodness’ sake!
Range in an EV is a tricky thing. With this bike you should be able to get about 130 miles at highway speed limits, 160 at faster non-highway roads (45-60 miles per hour), and obviously it will go up from that if you go slower urban speeds (who does that?). The chain on an Energica produces very little noise. The noise you hear is actually engineered via the motor's reduction drive.
This will fail. 27k lol
Shite
To me a lot of electric bikes and cars are just boring 😴
Obvious you need to try one, they’re not boring and we won’t get a choice soon, just need somebody to produce exhaust noise rather than the whine😉
@@IanTed We will get a choice........ once the population wakes up to how it is being conned.
@@buzzinbritain8222 I hope it's soon... I'm tired of waiting...
@@IanTed So this is the issue. It's not that the EVs are better and take over the market. They are pushed from the top... they are forced on us. I'm all for choice and I wouldn't mind owning an EV when it gets sensible to own one, but these days there's an unjust war against ICE.
Get in a Tesla and put it in Ludicrous mode. Then come back and say it was boring.