Why do AI art users hate and discriminate artists but think its okay?
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- Опубліковано 1 лис 2023
- I’m exposing why AI art users promote hate and discrimination, but don't want you to know why. Today, I'm exposing all of the brutal truths and secrets they don't want you to know. In this video, learn the secret motivations behind every type of AI art user, why users were attracted to AI art in the first place, and why some users think they have to "adapt or die" to AI art technology. After watching this, please share it so that we, as artists, know how to respond to these users. Maybe you'll even develop some sympathy and empathy for them, and maybe we can help get AI art users off of this violent tech and back to authentic art making.
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00:00 AI Art Users HATE artists
Which of these users do you see the most, and what do you also see them doing that is harmful to artists?
The ones I think do most harm are seasoned artists that have already a solid fan base and body of work to not care what goes around in the art ecosystem, and just either dismiss it as a cult, compare it to "the printing press, photography, etc" without understanding the social conditions around the trade in current days, or that added the AI in their process and just brag that they used "their own work to train it" knowing full well that Ai generation and model training doesn't work that way, and that you need an enormous quantity of material to get a decent generation.
That social standing grants some privilege to just be apathetic, doesn’t it?
I'm going to have to say using AI platform could steal my ideas
@@TheArtMentor yo, what is your opinion on solar sands' take on ai art?
As someone who had very little artistic ability 3 years ago, I can say with absolute certainty that talent isn't the issue with becoming an artist. Rather, it comes down to having a willingness to develop the habit for practicing every single day, having a realistic goal in mind, and also having a good teacher/mentor to help you along the way. I do not know how much you will improve by AI prompting every day, but I can demonstrate visual proof of what consistently practicing anatomy for 30 minutes or less, 7 days a week, for 2 years in a row can do for your skills. My profile picture is one such result and I did that all on a dry erase board. If I could go from low skill to doing that in less than 3 years, just imagine what you could achieve if you practiced drawing for 5 minutes a day. That's how I started and I have no intention of stopping!
That’s exactly the trick! I’m wicked proud of your development and I bet you’ll be a beast in no time 💪 all the more reason why ai users won’t last, isn’t it? No discipline and false promises of wealth and fame with no effort
AI prompting can help to increase knowledge of art theory and design. It also can help to recognize various styles and concepts. It won’t teach how to actually create the artwork itself.
Yet that vocabulary building is so worthless versus the application, so why not learn while you create when you’re scientifically proven to learn best? Conceptual and vocabulary knowledge is the most easily forgotten aspect of learning and comprehension. Not to mention, can we not ignore that AI images pump out way more flaws in these art concepts than correct and observable references for them?
@@bradleytrease2290 I'll be honest I don't think I'd even use AI art for direct reference. Every now and then I notice body parts that are just out of proportion enough to make a subject look weird. That's not a problem you'd get out of referencing a human artist that has taken the time to learn the fundamentals (which anyone can learn) or just straight up a photo reference. Learning styles isn't that hard either, just open a word doc, copy and paste examples of artists with similar styles, write down notes on where the similarities lie and where are the differences between them. That's something you learn in primary school and then secondary school art classes.
@kev2034 yeah as an art educator, I can very confidently say that using ai for anything other than a color or loose design idea will stunt your growth and make you develop really bad fundamentals
The marketing campaign for this product has been vile as hell. "Use this or di3" is not a line a company uses to sell a product.
It is despicable isn’t it? And how is that fearmongering impacting new and young artists?
I've tried AI art. It feels like instant gratification. When the high goes away, all that insecurity comes right back because it's just lying to yourself. working on improving skills and practice is just a better way towards self-fulfillment, but I feel like AI does have a place in the world, just like those shrewd business owners that think they can get a logo designed for $30 by a legit designer. Hopefully AI will funnel all those people away and leave only the people who know and value art for the artists that actually want to do art. I don't think AI will kill art, but there is a lot of dysphoria going on right now. I'm experiencing it right now too. Your video made me think and motivated me a bit too. I don't paint a lot at all, but I just love the feeling of pouring my heart and soul into a piece of art for days on end, even if I'm still a tad unsatisfied with it at the end, at least it's 100% mines.
It's great to meet you, and I'm glad to hear you connected with my content! I agree that many artists feel that displacement from the dysphoria effects of AI, and they're doubting themselves and their decisions. Isn't that so sad, and isn't it sad how few people step up and encourage/dismiss the AI user rhetoric? That's why I think we always need counternarratives like this, and why I'm trying to help you and other artists feel empowered rather than downtrodden
Im fine if ai art is made to create humor in wich case its obvious, but acting like theur making legit illustrations should be banned.
Sometimes, I put my feet to others's shoes to see how they actually feel.
I wonder if one day AI took over the world and was widely accepted, people discriminated artists claiming that drawings weren't art, what would artists do? I can't say for all artists but I personally will just keep drawing like nothing happens.
Prompters are so week. If they really like prompting, they can just... make it? No no no. They have to desperately convince people that their promptings are art.
Good luck with that, right? Hey what if I made a video concretely disproving AI as an art form. I have all the research. How does that interest you?
@@TheArtMentor I would love to see it. Others have made videos about that but mostly in emotional level to make fun of AI. I would love to hear from you. Your arguments are well thought out and run to the core of the problems. I like that.
I’m happy to make that video! I’ve never really seen a more documented and official response to AI images rather than emotional reactions. Have you?
@@TheArtMentor I have actually, [Hello Future Me] and [Jimmy McGee] have made some excellent videos on the topic and [Sophie from Mars] includes the topic within her video talking about the general “maliciousness” of Tech Bros and Silicon Valley.
I would recommend watching their videos since not only are they good and informative, it could help in making sure that(if you make a video) you don’t thread too much on what they’ve already talked about.
Also, thank you for reaffirming my choice to pursue art *and* giving me good arguments against people who don’t take a hint!
It's been nearly a year since the whole thing with AI thing blew up and I think it's largely gone down with communities becoming more aware of the nature of AI image generation and its users. I think we're moving towards a better place now.
Lately my concern is how AI has, and will, impact the perception of art for everyone besides artists and AI users. It's great that AI users can't copyright their "work", so businesses will hopefully all avoid it. But I worry people will begin to view art as something cheap or avoid it altogether out of fear it's actually stolen AI collages. I see AI users as nothing more than scammers now, but this reputation could spill onto actual artists to the unaware.
Thats why you get to know your artists first, you see them livestreaming and posting videos on YT and go "this artist is pretty good, i want to associate myself with them" 99% scam proof.
if a profesional artist isnt already streaming or posting timelapses of their portfolio on major social media in 2023 that is incredibly suspicious.
Can I say that that misperception about art has been around since it began to be industrialized ? That’s why it’s important for us to share and show the world why art is still valuable, isn’t it?
I can see that, but also some artists aren’t as active on social media as well. It’s an odd time to be an artist, isn’t it?
@@TheArtMentoryeah that makes sense, as time changes and our craft evolves, so do ours perception and concerns about it.
@@TheKalimanMX I can't say I fully agree, but I do see where you're coming from. I simply don't have the equipment, software, time or energy to maintain a regular livestream schedule, and I'm not interested in creating videos or reels of timelapse/let's draws, just to prove I'm not using AI (and I'm not). I've caught a few artist faking this with AI-generated art already. That said, I don't think it's fair or accurate to pressure artists into proving their validity through creating content they might not wanna make.
As of lately, I've been ignoring the AI users these days. However, there are times that makes me wonder what runs inside their mind to do this... I suppose this video has given me the answers.
They're failed artists.
It is rather sad to see why ai users think and behave the way they do, isn’t it? I’m always wondering how to get them to see the light and exploitation. Any ideas?
@Sageoftheforest7 yeah definitely, some of them at least. Just like I said in this video, right? The only way to really fail at art is to give up, isn’t it?
uuuuuh, because it's fun?
@SHAHNMONO exactly, but they’re trying to fill a hole with attention instead, aren’t they?
I find it so ironic that AI prompters were replaced by automatic prompting so fast 🤣🤣🤣 To me the biggest issue is actual artists who prefer to use AI to "implement" their work, meaning they generate something, tweak it a bit and call it their work.
I agree! I’ve spoken about the retouched AI before. So if I paintover an artwork submitted by my subscribers, can I call it my own artwork? I personally would feel unethical 😅 what do you think?
@@TheArtMentor I've been thinking of buying from a certain artist, but I noticed that some of their works for sale since early 2023 are obviously A.I. generated and touched up afterward. The art I want to buy is clearly not A.I. generated (it matches their style from years ago) but I'm still kind of conflicted. Do you think it's ethical to buy from an artist who does this?.. Or should I try to find someone else?
@@Sergio-nb4hj It's depend on you imo, if you feeling conflicted even a little bit then you should stop support them because that's mean you don't like what they're doing.
Honestly, I would say no it isn’t ethical. That’s like me selling artwork from one of my paintover videos. If I critique and make changes to some else’s artwork, is that really mine? Objectively speaking, it isn’t
I agree
Anyone who claims they're artists and yet are so excited when AI art came out because "finally art will be democratized" aren't true artists. We, legit artists, doesn't want everything to be "easier". True Artists enjoys the process of creating art.
So true! Our processes make our art and our identities, don’t they? It wouldn’t be bad to have actual tools rather than replacements, would it? Unfortunately ai is seen as the latter
I wholeheartedly agree with that, as an artist who doesn't even use AI nothing beats the joy of finishing a piece with my own hands however all these artists complaining about lost jobs, lost money and lost fame are hypocrites who suddenly had their hands tied and can't enjoy the process anymore just because there's an algorithm doing it.
Honestly AI should have stayed a niche tool to help non artists visualise what they want done and to help with inspiration to deal with art blocks, not as a fucking replacement that does the funny pixel thing now for "free"/"lower cost" than commissioning actual artists. The same people who push AI art as the future and that artists are worse than the devil because at least he's honest push NFTs...
Dead on. In fact, I’ve considered making a video about how AI could’ve helped artists with features rather than what it is. How does that interest you?
@@TheArtMentor very much
I have recently seen a very strange case of AI user. It's a page on Instagram that reposts art of other artists with credit (not sure about permission...), and then a lot of AI-generated images as well, and in their description they always write "credit: ??? (please tell me the artist if you know so that I can give them credit)". I thought they were earnest and once I wrote a comment saying that it's AI-generated so it's not really retraceable to any artist. I just wanted to inform them. But they romeved my comment and all the answers that agreed with me. That's when I started suspecting that the person owning the page generates AI-images on their own and then post them pretending they are an actual artwork but they don't know the artist. I am not going to lose my time with this page, but I am very very curious: why would an AI-user do this? Why pretend it's a real artwork but also not claim it as your artwork? It surprises me. Anybody has possible answers?
Sounds like someone who is just trying to get attention instead of getting skills.
Wild, but somehow not surprising.
@@McJorneil that might be an explanation
That goes to my section on attention-seeking behavior in this video. What did you think of that?
@@TheArtMentor I thought it's sketchy, since they don't want others to know which images are AI-generated and don't come from real artists unilke the others. Maybe they want the admiration and attention praising those images, but don't want the critiques and disapproval of anti-AI people
I tried it out for a couple of months just to see what the big deal was. At first, I thought this is interesting, but then I just got sick of it. It all looks the same. A switch inside just turned off. I rather spend hours drawing and painting. It is a way better feeling and a true sense of accomplishment. One thing that does bother me is that these Art Impostors (AIs) call themselves artist. I've been drawing since I was 10, I'm now in my 40s. I went deeply into 3D from my 20's till now. I started drawing again in my 40s. So yeah, that urge you get to draw never goes away. AI prompting does.
If you're and Art Imposter it doesn't go away. It like a coping tool for them. They know they suck, they just can't admit it. Unfortunately, we live in a superficial society. Depth and meaning no longer count. Just quick gratification.
You see it so clearly! Also, how about how ai usage sets up its users for imposter syndrome? Can you see that?
@@TheArtMentorYou didn't ask me but hope you don't mind if I hop in.
It absolutely sets them up for imposter syndrome.
Reminds me of when I worked in a restaurant that wore a veneer of quality, but we were really just heating up frozen stuff and cartons of sauce.
Every shift we would get a complaint from a customer who knew their onions, as it were.
After the boss had dealt quietly with the refund and free drinks he would come storming into the kitchen raging at us about the customer.
It was quite unpleasant for me, but you could practically feel the burning shame radiating from him.
Can't be easy being a fraud.
@@juicedgoose no it can't. You have to keep remembering all the lies to keep the lies going.
@JoseGarciaJaen exactly
@juicedgoose I foresee this issue arising severely over the next couple years when the luster of ai image production wears off
Adapt or die, that is what AI promoters say. I would tell them, "Before AI generaters, there are digital cameras and Photoshop filters (watercolor, oil painting, even the styles of Vincent van Gogh or Claude Monet), but many artists, including myself, still prefer to draw landscape paintings. Sometimes we go outdoors, sometimes we draw from photos. Why don't we all just take a photo and let the filter do the work? AI art users never seem to know the answer. When they encounter difficulties, they wait for others to solve them. Artists, on the other hand, find ways themselves, through study or community support."
Too true! Also as I’ve said before, and I’m not the only one, if you gave up your art making for AI, then you’ll give that up too. The problem isn’t in the product, but the self 🤷♂️ don’t you think?
Couldn't have said it better! I'm a little artist too, not yet on a high lvl but enjoy drawing my own characters and writing stories for them. When AI 'art' started to become a thing, I was really frustrated and felt like giving up. Video's like this gave me enough encouragement to keep going.
@gertrashcan never give up my friend! I believe in you
@@TheArtMentor thank you, and please keep up making encouraging content like this. I've seen many artists giving up because of the rise of Ai, I just hope that more people can get the encouragement they need!
Art is so important, not only for the person but for our culture and future. Creativity is a pillar for society, and AI art ruins it. That's personally my biggest issue with Ai..
Great content Sean! I think we artist should treat them with kindness & even we get more hates in response, Just like the expression “you get more flies with honey than with vinegar”.
Yeah sure! I’ve never been directly rude to ai users, and in fact I’ve converted more than a few back to the light side lol. But it’s inevitable that artists would get hate when the newly converted become the most righteous, isn’t it?
Here’s a little insider secret. Some AI Bros want artists to lash out and say hateful things. They will take a screenshot of it and use it to convince those on the fence that artists don’t deserve empathy because they say hateful things (omitting the part where they riled up the artist) So those saying how “AI users are worthless losers who don’t deserve to live” or whatever are hurting their own cause 😏 Everyone wants to be presented as the victim.
@sodakhan whoa really?? That’s awful, but I’m also a little bit not surprised lol. Where do you typically see that gaslighting occurring?
@@TheArtMentor Anywhere that has heated debates on the subject, honestly. They don’t make videos on it, they use it more privately when talking to people. I never tried purposefully to get artists angry but i’ll be honest i’ve taken screenshots of mean comments before and shown them to people when i was bitter towards the art community. I have since got back and explained more to those who i have swayed in the past the importance of supporting artists.
@sodakhan people become hostile in the name of defending their interests, don’t they? Good to hear you’ve become more self aware 😁 I think more users will too over time
I love how, when you critique AI art, the response really is "AI WILL GET BETTER!" It's only because they lack the skills to fix it. But also...shows they're unfit to professionally be artists. Knowing how to handle simple critiques and feedback is part of the job.
The best reply is: "So. you are dependent on the AI to get better but not yourself? Waiting for a software update is soooo passive."
The hilarious part is that when AI *does* get better, suddenly it's *them* who improved, not the AI. Blame something else when you lose, take all the merit when you win.
@@Dexter01992 the even funnier part, is when it eventually gets better, artists are just gonna use it to further leverage their art. So ai bros will STILL be on the sidelines, because they aren't learning the skills we already know.
So true! It’s such a childish response isn’t it?
@PutineluAlin and meanwhile those updates are always so minimal aren’t they? It supports my thesis that AI image generation is pretty much already at its peak proficiency
AI art is gatekeeping people with no internet from being expressive if you think about it
absolutely! I've actually called it "digital discrimination", how's that sound?
That makes no sense to me, could you explain?
@@IAMTHENEON it's a joke playing on the statement they make, of how normal art is gatekeepers something.
Sure, as you said, those without the privilege and access to the technology and resources to utilize ai platforms are unable to utilize it. That creates a form of discrimination where there’s a false sense of fear from not being able to be creative without those privileges. That hammers at ai users’ insecurities since they already feel they aren’t artistic or creative. It sets a false standard for what’s attainable vs what isn’t. I spoke about it in a more recent video, did you see that?
@@3emad.065 You mean the statement that some kinds of art require physical abilities that some people lack?
Just 2 days ago SD announced 3D modelling generation and I already saw people in reddit *chanting* about "how f***ed 3D artists are now as well". What kind of psychopath welcomes a new technology with the immediate mockery of other people way of making a living?
They were also claiming that within a year, "prompt to full 3D videogames" is gonna be a thing. As they keep telling artists "You do not understand how AI works", they clearly do not understand the technical aspects of 3D modelling at all. While AI might do some supposedly "incredible looking sculpt", making such model working for an animation without being completely broken the moment you bend a limb or tweak a face requires a ton of manual intervention, patience and knowledge at what has to be tweaked. If 2D generated content without manual refinement still has broken anatomy (I see such mistakes even in pictures they define "perfect"), I really wonder how is it gonna work when it has to look good from all angles and in all positions.
Oh the horror must be multiplied many times over, won’t it? And the ignorance of generating game-ready assets is very laughable, isn’t it? 😂 who’s gonna want to play that broken game?
cyberpsychos is the most common one I stumble across and they're my main reason for disliking AI "artists". If you wanna convince someone that you're right, it's not a good idea to revel in the idea of artists being homeless and spitting on them. This is an actual thing I saw on twitter.
As an occasional artist (I don't draw much), your art is very impressive, can't imagine drawing like that.
Thanks so much for your kind words! Isn't it sad to see the effects of this toxicity from AI users on artists and their desire to continue on?
I've tried producing AI art using A1111 and have generated over hundreds of images. The experience made me realize how easy it was to notice "AI" would get things wrong like perspectives, hair, flow of clothing, etc. That experience only somehow lead me back to wanting to do something that I tried to do 20 years ago: 3D modeling and animation. I ended up finding a great tutorial in Blender (Blender Guru) and because I already had experience as a photographer everything started to really click in being able to create amazing scenes utilizing references, lighting and compositing. Since I have found my new hobby I have not generated AI art since. And because I am older and more mature I have better patience to learn new things.
Nevertheless, I'm glad I've found your channel from this video as I see it will likely help me stay motivated as I learn 3D modeling and animation and maybe I'll finally get back to sketching which I used to do 25 years ago.
What a great outcome! I’m so proud of you for taking on that endeavor, and I bet you’re having a ton of fun, aren’t you? I’ll be here to support you all along!
Artists have excellent manual dexterity, or hand to eye coordination, while AI users are more adept at ass to mouth actions.
This should be a meme 😂
You know, Just this week I was crying at my psychiatrist's office as I explained how hopeless ai has made me feel because art is really the only thing I can see myself working with.
Then youtube recommended me your videos, and now I feel hopeful again :')
Oh no I’m so sorry to hear that! Don’t worry, you have amazing things to bring to this world with your art 😁 I’m glad this helped! Have you seen my other videos in this topic as well?
@@TheArtMentor yes haha I basically marathoned them. it made me feel much more optimistic about the world while also giving me the mindset needed to fight back against these grifters (which is mostly to just ignore and disengage lmao)
Thanks for putting these videos up. I think the art community as a whole needs more people like you :'D
It’s kinda weird how everyone came out full force against ai with videos initially, and then they stopped, isn’t it? It isn’t as if artists aren’t still facing the big issues and need some guidance on how to proceed, right? I think that’s what motivates me
Great video! Ai users seem to be rowdy-minded people that can’t listen to their mothers nor anyone.
It’s pretty much a selective ignorance bias, isn’t it?
@@TheArtMentor Yes, in some certain of way.
First time viewer here :) Honestly a super great video, I'm glad to see people are covering the topics cause letting it slip away into being normalized is a bad bad step in the wrong direction. Admittedly I've lost self control plenty of times and argued back, taking the bait when seeing pro-ai posts or whatever in more personal spaces and god does it get mentally exhausting after a short while...
Really looking forwards to Nightshade, but in the long run I hope we just see it become restricted by law, and eventually completely irrelevant, just another buzzword trend of the internet like NFTs and cryptocurrencies, and I really feel like it will end up like that as most pro-ai defenders are frequently using the exact same arguments as pro-nft/crypto bros.
Thanks and I’m happy to have you supporting my content! 😁 hey we’ve all had our moments, don’t sweat it haha. Yeah nightshade should be awesome !
Btw have you seen my other content on this topic?
I poked at AI to see what the fuss was, and I honestly still don't get it. A character creator on Picrew is more fun, and even if you're feeding the AI a good data set of like...movie stills and pose references (because I am not about to use other people's art) it still just looks...cold and stiff and unfocused? Like I've commissioned art of my OCs and even when they weren't very on model I still loved them because I could see the effort the person I commissioned put in, and enjoyed seeing my character in their unique style.
AI is that flashy but boring toy that gets used once or twice after Christmas and then gets quietly donated by the kid's summer birthday to languor in the bargain bin at the Goodwill
Thanks for sharing your perspectives, and they align to my own thoughts on this. While the ai images are very polished...aren't they also too polished and odd looking?
Thanks, really needed to hear something like this again. While I dont think we can say "never" when it comes to AI improving, I do hope and think it will always lack something a real artist can offer. Im curious where this will go but I cant imagine a future other than AI Cannibalising itself one day. No one is gonna want to pay AI artists works if everybody can do them. Also the fact that we need to develop tools like "nightshade" to combart AI scraping should make everybody aware that there is something wrong going on.
Theres still lots of things well have to figure out or wait and see but im hopefull and always working to be a better artist.
Well said! How can you ever achieve your fullest artistic potential by relying on handicaps and crutches like tech over fundamentals and applied knowledge? It just won’t work, will it? 😅
DeviantArt is now home to all these types. It's another reason why I decided to leave. Though I do feel bad for the ones who were artists but gave up thinking that flawed AI images are a higher bar than they can achieve.
So true, unfortunately. At least you can filter out AI images now, right?
@@TheArtMentor I don't know about deviant art but you can with pixiv.
Considering that Spyed (DeviantArt's CEO) is a businessman who sold DeviantArt to a shady company like Wix to make a quick buck, i'm not even remotely surprised.
AI democratized art just like the US democratized Cuba, Brazil (in 1964), the Middle East and Hawaii.
Exactly! Further proof that anything democratized is just an exercise of power and silencing, isn’t it?
Cuba???
Another powerful example!
One thing that's kind of annoying as an artist is when people congratulate you on your talent, or attribute your success to "oh, you're lucky you're so talented"! They do mean well most of the time, but what these people don't realize is that our artistic abilities are SKILLS, and take years to hone. Sure, some people have innate predispositions to certain abilities that make it easier to develop those into skills, but actual hard work over time is 90% of the end result. And, as the years go on, the "talent" becomes less and less of a contributing factor as trained skill accumulates.
Exactly! That's also why I'm writing my doctorate dissertation on it
I've learnt a lot of anything about this topic of A.I generated, nowadays I'm caring less and stopped being really associated to laborate with negative ppl saying horrible stuff. We can still draw that's the point for being talented, that's our point for humanization.
So true! Have you also found that art is less about making a product and more about cultivating our humanity?
I'm gonna encourage myself and my artists friend that we're unique and we can put amogus characters as an Easter egg in their artwork that ai could not do
Haha nicely done! What type of ai users do you usually see from this video?
@@TheArtMentor I recently came across ai user that claims the generated image as theirs and considering to open commission. Boi, that made my blood boils 😤.
That would be hilarious. They shouldn't throw stones if they live in glass houses
The worst is when aigoofballs trying to hold on ther prompts or sell them (i saw that!), it's so pathetic. Because all they have is those few "magical" worlds. Without that prompt they are nothing - an empty space. They have no skills no knowlege - nothing. 😆
Have you also noticed how tight-lipped the ai community is regarding their prompts? Meanwhile the art community is extremely helpful and open in sharing their tips and content, isn’t it? Just look at my channel for instance huh?
I was thinking about what to call the AI art "movement" at this moment. And came up with Post-humanism. At the end of the day, It's a trade that literally removes the end user aka the Human component. Ironic too, since many AI driven works feature Humans as the main subject lol.
That’s very meta, isn’t it? Lol. Yet removing the human from the input is what invalidates it as a human controlled art, isn’t it? Not that ai bros will admit it lol
10:17 I think it's not "democratization" is bad, it's just a label that imperialists hide behind
That’s very true! Also just happens to be a noble cause that those with powerful intent hide behind as well, isn’t it? Just using a sociohistorical context for the example 👍
I will never understand tech/crypto bros and their deranged contempt for actual artists.
it's hateful, isn't it? And for no good reason other than wanting to see something beautiful attacked
It's not often I get into a downward spiral about AI art and I'm so glad I found all your videos about AI art. I really like how you call the 'AI artist' for what they are - tools and consumers who created nothing.
It’s about time we give a counter narrative to the ai bro rhetoric and fearmongering isn’t it? That’s why I make this content. Thanks for supporting it 😁
Well, Generative AI (say, for images) *is* getting better over time. Hands look more natural by now, faces too, and it makes less of those egregious errors it made in the beginning - but it still has this artificial (and often sterile) look to it that is easy to spot. AI art is lacking something that most people can actually feel when listening to their "inner voice". I'm coming from photography (not considering myself being an artist), and I'm not impressed with AI "art" in this area. On the other hand, "AI" tools to improve more technical aspects can be helpful, but prompt generated photos? Nope, not a contender to actual photography. And why should I use AI to generate "photos"? I do photography because I want to actually use a camera to create an image, and shoot things that do (or did) exist, with all their idiosyncrasies. I guess it is the same with artists (and amateurs) in any other artistic realm. If you want to professionalize your art and make money from it, you should be aware of what AI can and can't do, so that you can offer something that is different from AI generated "content" and attracts buyers.
Well said! I’ve also shared similar views on my previous video on how to beat ai art. Have you seen that?
@@TheArtMentor I might well have seen it (sounds familiar), and I might've incorporated something from it into my own thinking ;-). On the other hand, the topic is rampant at the moment in nearly every sector of life, and the fears are very similar to those in the art world (or however one would call it). I see it more calmly, for one I'm only a few years from retirement and can just shrug off all threats, and I don't make my living as an artist or someone who's job is easy to do by AI (low-level call-center agents, for example). I do think what I do for a living might be something AI could do at some point, but it is not prevalent enough to be of interest for large companies.
Great video again, definitely want to check the other new ones as well soon, thanks so much!
At this point, AI to me seems like another symptom of the problems of the digital age. You put it very well in the video, some people are not willing to make the proper sacrifices to master a craft, whether it be art or not.
AI is the embodyment of convenience and I am convinced it will make people actually dumber, to a point where we have people who have skills and those who just don't.
Recently, Sweden actually decided to draw back from digital schools, the kids get books, pens and paper back, because writing by hand and engaging with new information slower activates the brain a LOT better; not to mention that you train your motorics and eye-hand coordination as well (useful for art too, btw.)
That’s interesting about Sweden! How long have they been doing that, and are there any results yet?
If art can be obliterated from human input, will it stop there? Where is the limit to persevere our agency as sentient species?
What if the meaning of life and existence end up in the hands of a corporation that sells Paper Clips?
Precisely why we need to limit this tech and make it ethical, isn’t it?
@@TheArtMentor have ya hear about the Paper Clips Apocalypse? it is very interesting. Hava a nice day by the way.
@artificercreator no can you tell me a bit about it and how it relates to this topic of ai?
@@TheArtMentor Story short, an AI makes Paper Clips using nanobots, at any means necessary. So, the universe is consumed enterely for the sole reason of making Paper Clips. you can google "paper clip apocalypse" for more details.
i just block anybody who uses it. I don't wanna risk and i don't like it at all
I do the same, it's annoying, isn't it? We should curate our followers like our artworks, shouldn't we?
@@TheArtMentor Yeah, i post some time ago aswell my opinion about it and the reasons why i am against it and i got sooo many comments and attacks aswell. I ended up blocking the comment section, as after a while i got kinda annoyed by it, there was like a war in the comments between users. I don't regret the post, is still there in my page and in the main page as reference, but there are so many people that you cant just speak with... they listen to no reason and just act like we are the jerks and we don't understand and are selfish. Not even trying to empathize with how we feel about it. I am not a very skilled artist, but i practice over and over, like all artist do. I cannot arrive to the lvl of detail those Ais can and is kinda dismotivating, but i do this for me and will continue doing so.
Also really thanks for this video, it feels really nice to hear it.
It’s no secret people don’t like artists. They like art. They used to “put up” with us artists and our “weird” or “quirky” ways to get our art. That’s why they want to replace us. Little do they know that art is only born from the artist spirit. They don’t understand us because they aren’t us. You have to be an artist to truly appreciate art. 💔
Very true, and how many people are trying to step into the art world now without knowing anything about it? No wonder they're failing
Another great video! It really breaks down the machine learning users into every single one I've run into.
From my experience, there has always been discrimination against artists. This new technology just gave all the previously silent people permission to be Richard noggins to artists.
Art is an outlet of creative fulfillment and nourishment for the soul. There are people that hate artists since we currently live in a capitalistic hellscape where creative endeavors are seen as a luxury product instead of a necessity for mental health, and artists aren't as seemingly miserable as everyone else. Misery doesn't like being alone, so instead of lifting people up, it's much easier to drag people down.
Thanks and I’m glad this resonated with you too! Isn’t it sad how many artists are also being turn away because of this tech, and without cause?
Art will always stand for artists (real people) and not A.I generated.
Same for musicians and any sort of jobs.
Exactly!
"Talent" is a buzz word meant only to discourage humans from being human. This is true in *all* art including acting, vocals, voice acting, etc. "America's Got Talent" is especially guilty of making others feel inadequate in a way that causes them to think (actively) that only the privileged few are capable of creating a beauty.
Every human is able to develop a creation *SKILL*. Art has never had anything to do with being "born" with the ability to create beauty. If you want to be an artist, you can learn that. If you want to learn to act, you can do that. If you want to learn to sing, you can damned well do that. Amy Winehouse wasn't born with the voice she had... she earned it with hard work and training.
Now stop listening to those who use the word "talent" and do the work to develop the skill you want and dream of having.
Exactly! And how do you prove or test for talent? That proves it’s only a perception rather than reality
I think some people over look the most obvious reasons - AI "Artists" mainly attack digital artists from what I've seen - question Why? Both use a computer programme to create art. Though applications are vastly different.
To answer that, which one of these AI user profiles best fits them? I can think of a few, tho entitlement comes to my mind first
great analysis- I just stopped engaging with AI prompters, it's not worth the time. If you decided to hand over all your effort to a machine for generation and now defend your practice, it's more often than not that a cult like behaviour appears, and you won't get that time back. Some people have the time and energy, but I have illustrations to do to feed the family
It’s fair to say everything about ai is a cult, isn’t it?
@@TheArtMentor It has all the colors of a cult,corporate leaders included.
@onikaizer so true! In many ways, the ai community can be strongly liked to cult organizations, can’t it? From the top down
Your channel is awesome, your videos on ai brought me comfort and assured me that I'll be alright. Subscribed! I'll share your video with my friends :D Hope you get even more subscribers soon
Thanks so much for your support, and I support you right back! Don't worry about ai. Machines won't ever bring anything to life as cool as what you have to bring to the world, my friend
Oh, we voted yesterday for this thumbnail :3
That’s right! And thanks so much for helping me pick this one 😁 I hope it’s a winner!
Hey, I would be very interested to read the research on talent you mentioned
Sure! Are you speaking about my own research and writing, or the research mine draws from?
Id like to know your opinion on ai enhancements/upscaling
Did you see that part of this video?
@@TheArtMentorI’ll have to rewatch I missed that part
@zizzurp9007 if not I’ve also touched on that in my previous video at the end of it:
Adapt...or lies? Why A.I. art isn't for artists at all...
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What are you getting your doctorate in??
It’s in Curriculum Studies, with an emphasis on Culture Studies. Since I’m an art education professional, it’s the next logical step 😁 you e probably never heard of that major have you? Lol not many outside of it have
How dare you insult the personal character of an esteemed prompt engineer! /s
Lord forgive me, right? 😂 these are accurate characterizations, aren’t they though?
I love the fact someone use ai on my old ocs smh idk what to feel.
Lol why did they do that?
Excellent video. Great message.
If you want to become an artist and keep finding yourself giving up, I might suggest trying a different style. I like anime and manga, so I always tried to develop that style. But, I would get bored and move on.
Recently, I got back into art because of the ai stuff, but I'm drawing in the style of Megamind instead. The exaggerated characters, over-the-top expressions, and dynamic poses seem to speak to me a lot more and are more fun for me to draw.
That’s exactly right! And I’m proud of you for keeping true to your authentic artistic self 😁 how long have you been using that style now?
@@TheArtMentor Maybe a month! So we'll see, still. But I've been continuously thinking about what to draw next instead of giving up.
We can ignore a lot of these types of AI prompters, but what about the ones who have turned to explicitly prompting and training engines on living artists' work?
They’re equally scummy and promoting the dangerous and harmful philosophies I speak about in this video. How’s that?
You helped me get back my confidence
I’m so happy to hear you’ve rediscovered your passion! Never lose that my friend 😁
Yeh
“Cyberpsychos” sound like the tech bro subspecies of “Troll in the Basement”.
Also if the AI art gestapo try to take away my tools and ban me from doing art then they are going to catch these hands.
No one can ever ban you from art but yourself 👍 keep it up my friend! 👍
@@TheArtMentorI may not post my art anymore, but I will continue to draw to my hearts content.
And once again, if there was some AI art gestapo trying to take away my supplies, they will have to catch these hands.
Ah, speaking of which that does make for a fantastic dystopian world. Where AI companies have gotten laws made to ban the sale of traditional and digital art supplies so that everyone is forced to use their AI art generators and Chat GPT all in the name of profit. Something like that.
*starts scribbling out a plot.*
But first I have to finish a boatload of comics I have on the back burner.
"Youre gatekeeping art!" , my brother in christ paper and pencil are available in droves and are the cheapest thing ever. Just pick upa pencil and draw.
We all started this way.
oh yeah, it's all a giant excuse isn't it? But then who's disenfranchising who now? It's just entitlement
"Democratizing art" = spending $25 a month on a subscription with a limited amount of data usage or $400 minimum on a good graphics card.
@samboujaiteh3331 yeah democratizing and monetizing sound very similar huh? Lol
My favorite flavor of gaslighting is when one group that has done almost nothing but send violent levels of hate to the other side them come up and accuse them of being hateful.
You’re saying that about which side in this situation?
@@TheArtMentor Take a guess
I’d like to say you’re referring to ai users towards artists
@@TheArtMentor No he's referring to pretentious people who claim to be artist like yourself because all you did in this video is gaslight.
democratsing art is one of the stupidest things I've ever heard. It's as people call you privileged for having skills they never learned. Yes, it takes time and costs money. But the more time you spend doing it and getting inspired by other artists, the more likely you become more creative. Simply by playing around with multiple styles and techniques you're acquiring while learning the skill. No AI can do this. I'm sure that the more independent artists we have, the happier we are. It could be, that AI can bring that, but the limitations you are facing spreading from misunderstanding (the AI isn't able to process your input) to outright censorship (You're not allowed to think that) by the 'technobro's and/or their CEO's. The suits, the CEO's are destroying art nearly everyehere.You can experience it in writing (especialy in movie/TV), music and painting. When art meets commerce and is sucessful, the Suits stay put to have the biggest piece of the cake. They don' care about the artist and they don't care about the consumer. Maybe it is something like the crypto/NFT goldrush (wich again was orchestrated by suits and greedy celebrities) that's pushing people to get rid of the 'evil' artists and everyone else daring to stand against their business practices.
Nice insights. Thankfully, artists can and are currently taking advantage of those loopholes to exercise their creative efforts and doing well thanks to all of the platforms providing opportunities to arts. Thanks for sharing your thoughts!
This made me subscribe!!!
Thanks for the support! What did you enjoy about this video?
“Talent is a cheap call for a man that wears too much plaid”. -Jalapeño (Annoying Orange)
Never heard that one lol
Keep dropping the TRUTH! 🙂
Glad to hear you agree! Which of these points did you think were the most important?
@@TheArtMentor I mean they're all valid and you keep nailing it. The ones marketing AI feed on insecurity and the gullible miserable people see hope in it so they get very defensive/aggressive about it calling artists elitists.
@dionys_art and the way they taunt and harass artists while using abusive tech…more artists need to realize their worth, isn’t that right? If we all stand up and show ai how limited it is and how invaluable we all are, we win, don’t we? 😁
@@TheArtMentorExactly. People need to tough it out until this hopefully goes the way of NFTs. Only corporations and amateurs will use this, and personally I don't think it will make such a big dent as they would have you believe.
@dionys_art I concur. Just wait until companies trying to use AI start bleeding profits huh?
Talent is 1% inspiration and 99% perspiration
sure, you can think of it like that
I actually aspire to one day comission an artist for the cover of my book. Also, art and writing are forms of communication. It's a more abstract communication, but still communication. Why want to automate communication ?
Also, paralell to this AI trend there is cosTube, housebuilding videos, forging videos, writing videos and so far. Why ? Because people watch them, sponsor them because they admire their craftsmenship.
While it might get a lot of attention, I just don't see the point in paying these people. (Edit) I mean AI users.
So true! You’re aware that visual communication is our first language, right? It’s pre-formal language learning. That’s also why it’s innately human, isn’t it? 💪
And you’re right on the money, this fad is a quick cash grab attempt, isn’t it?
Right on!
Glad to hear you agree! Which of these user profiles do you see the most? This comment section has some lol
It is not AI, it is MLA. AI does not exist yet, at least not in the public knowledge.
grate video to me. good job.
Thanks I’m glad you enjoyed! Which of these ai users do you see the most?
I see you play CYberpunk 2077 :D
Oh really? What makes you think so?
@@TheArtMentor Cyberpsychos XD!
@friendlyneighborhoodartist I caught me there 😂 although I’ve only watched the anime so far
@@TheArtMentor HAH! i knew it, the moment i saw cyberpsychos lol
@friendlyneighborhoodartist you caught me 😂
hmm intresting
Glad to hear you think so! What did this video make you think more about?
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11:34 you can tell what type of people they are. the majority of them plaster patreon logos all over the place, the devinart ai people all have paywalls to view their images.
oh yeah they're annoying aren't they? Meanwhile the overwhelming majority of artists want people to see our works for free
I've been looking for artists' reactions to AI art and stumbled upon this channel. Like the people mentioned in the video, I have no visual art skills whatsoever (I'm a musician and I simply didn't have the time to develop other skills) and I like to play around with AI art if I need an illustration etc. How bad does it make me on a scale from 1 to 10?
I sympathise with visual artists, but let's be honest, there are artistic fields that have been impacted way before yours and way more. Just think of the electronic devices that allow people to make music without being able to play an instrument. This started in the 70s. Nowadays a single person can simulate a 40-piece orchestra with a computer without having to pay a single musician. 99% of soundtracks are produced like that now. I keep seeing artists raging against AI users on youtube, only to see that their videos feature AI-generated licence-free background music and machine-translated captions.
So where do we draw the line?
that's a simple answer isn't it? It's the development methods and implementations. I'm definitely not commenting on all AI. but as I've explored in many of my videos, all AI art was developed with heinous intent and implemented with exploitative measures. If a tech was legitimately developed ethically and responsibly, then That's the line. btw I've never raged on AI, just to empower artists to resist the doomsday rhetoric that's impacting them. I'm just in service of artists, as an artist that doesn't think AI image generators are anything special nor threatening. Does that make sense?
@@TheArtMentor I personally think everything that involves a computer was developed with heinous intents to make our life deliberately uglier, but that's beyond the point. I think the last thing you, as artists, want to do, is to create an internal war between who is a real artist and who isn't. Laypeople are not concerned with how "art" is achieved. Nobody cares if it took 20 years of art academy or 2 hours of AI prompting to create an illustration. Same way you're not concerned if that drum fill on my record took me 20 years of music school or I have just sampled it from a 1962 song you've never heard of and speed-corrected it with Ableton.
Art is like a magic trick - you don't see the mechanics of it, you only see the final effect. And if that has an impact, then it's good art.
Correct me if I'm wrong but this is not the first time visual arts have transitioned from being an entirely theory and skill-based thing to a more concept-based discipline. Some of the great visual artists of the 1900s could not draw a stickman. Richter, Pollock, Hockney... we still go to the museum to see their paintings though, don't we? ✌🏻
@bosco7837 you can hold that opinion, but that also has no theoretical backing to it. Only being concerned with the outcome doesn’t make an artwork, it makes an image. I outline the differences pretty well in my videos if you’d like more context. There’s a wealth of scholarship that contributes to my assertions as well. Also, the only thing artists want is to not be exploited like all current ai image generation models do
sorry but the digital software you use makes your art "art"
Exactly so, since I have total control of the software I’m using. Yet ai users have almost no control, or else they would be able to make every decision, wouldn’t they?
damn i thought i was immuine to propaganda but i fell for it & IT made me so depressed was contrmplating /lmost gave up thanks for this video
Wow that's a powerful testimonial. What did you realize was influencing you? I'm happy you also found this video
I don't know who you are talking to? As AI user I spent $1.000 on bookwalker alone buying manga and novels every year, than countless of other merchandise and with all stuff combined probably near $5.000 a year - probably more most other people. I just don't really want people to attack me for posting my AI memes - I don't think it's too much of an ask to not be harassed.
As stated in the intro, my content is for artists. So why not stop using ai if it’s getting you bad reactions for using exploitative tech? Have you considered how you’re victimizing others while being upset about being a victim?
@@TheArtMentor Don't post your content on UA-cam than - you signed the ToS for your stuff to be public, you can also ban me - not like I will search for it, UA-cam just suggests this to me.
I'm not victimizing anyone - Claiming victimization with no law to back you is like me claiming victimization for your tone deaf response to me pleading to not want to get harassed - which is an actual crime by the law.
Your response justifying harassment reveals what kind of human being you are.
Thanks for proving my points about this video 👍 your mindset proves so much about the toxic ai community. Justifying exploitation of copyrighted and ip materials and then complaining about people being upset about it? No mystery why
@@TheArtMentor The premise of your video is why people hate you - I told you they don't, most of us buy lots of art and still do. I told you people hate you because of your unapologetically support of harassment on and off platform.
There is no reason to justify anything in that statement you derailed your whole video in the response to me.
@minyaw1234 you okay? You “hate” a random UA-camr that you don’t even know in real life? And who “hates” me? Where are the haters? Check out the overwhelming amount of positive comments and likes versus dislikes. And why would I care why random hostile ai users don’t like my content when my channel isn’t for you?
You can keep going if you like, but you do realize you’re proving my points, don’t you?
I can't wait for this generative AI to blow over so we can focus on the AI art that matters.... colorization and shading for traditional frame by frame 2D animation. I can't wait to see the small studios that will pop up thanks to these technologies making frame by frame 2D animated movies actually doable by small passionate studios, since the big ones don't care about that artform anymore
You’re referring to AI assistive tools rather than attempted replacements, I assume?
@TheArtMentor Yes, specifically assisted tools intended for 2D frame by frame animation, as right now (in movies) it's kind of a dying artform due to the massive workload being too much for most small studios and big studios having completely abandoned it. Even the studios that keep 2D animated movies alive like Cartoon Saloon have had to move to a hybrid approach mixing frame by frame with puppet animation. Now, I have nothing against puppet animation, its a great tool that can be indistinguishable from frame by frame if used right. I use it myself, even using the specific software that Cartoon Saloon uses.... but me and many other artists have a strong passion for frame by frame, even though its time consuming. If the tools can assist enough for passionate small studios to keep the artform alive, that would simply be amazing. There's already a model being worked on that can colorize frames based on a small input size of hand colored frames, effectively allowing you to color a few frames of a cut and then have it finish the rest as long as it's something consistent like finished cleaned lineart of a character getting colorized. Mix that with the tech behind the Klaus movie's shading, and you can get a small studio to make something that looks significantly higher budget than it is.
Let's face facts. The majority of AI users are people who can't do art, who just want all humans to be out of a job and they want to make all the money from doing nothing (or from the backs of real artists works). I see them as the soulless monsters sitting in their boardrooms looking down on the fires they started, laughing at those burning in the fires.
Exactly! That goes to the sadists section of this video, doesn’t it?
@@TheArtMentor sadists you say. Proper identification for them. I love it.
@jacotromp5958 isn’t it? 🤔 glad you agree. Some people just love to watch the world burn
> *who just want all humans to be out of a job*
IMO that part I will say sounds like a stretch - given the wide number of people messing around with this stuff for fun, people who do silly things with it for fun, and the number of people who might be using this for silly things, but we don't hear about because they do it for fun and say nothing. (This isn't a statement on the using of this stuff (or not using it), this is just ... it's an "ick" when people -- regardless of the debate subject matte, make such sweeping generalizations carelessly (when it isn't necessary when addressing problem people), SOMETIMES pompously, and think it only helps drive people away - not draw them to your side.)
Are you OK dude ? You have titled this video about 'haters' , and then spewed a load of hate.....As an abstract painter who sometimes dabbles with putting sketches through AI. The only hate I have ever seen comes from the people who scared of technology......I'm not sure what the weird tangent about The Romans and the British Empire had to do with art, but hey ho, each to their own. Projection at its finest man.
Didn’t pay much attention did you? 😅 just exposing the truth for artists’ sakes. If you view a counterargument to injustice as hate, that’s not my problem is it? 🤷♂️
Dear people, this is a pure 100% corporate propaganda, a really nice specimen at that. Let's disect it!
- Start the comment with a "no, you!" argument, totally misrepresenting the message of the video combined with some gaslighting right away.
- Claim to be "actually one you guys!" in this case clame to be an artist who also uses AI, yet the account has nothing attached to it, not even a profile picture. Just trust me bro without even a proper name!
- Talking about profile pictures, 90% of AI apologist comment came from people with no profile pics, what is up with that? Does the company who hires people from the 3rd world who speak goon enough English spread misinformation and gaslighting not have setting up images for the bot accounts in the budget?
- Claim to only see hate from non-AI users while actually implying to be familiar with the topic, I'm giving it a 0% chance.
- Also use the "scared of technology" argument. The same thing the corporate world claimed after the historic Luddite movement (look them up, anyone! They became one of my biggest inspiration in the last year or so) wasn't happy with the factory owners keeping all the profit for themselves while keeping their workers in poverty. I suppose everyone losing their livelihood so the boss can buy a bigger mansion is being afraid of technology.
- Dismiss the valid argument against authoritarian regimes the same AI is used the same way to enforce systemic oppression.
- Slide in the "but hey ho, each to their own" as if what you said was just your personal opinion, like the "it's great that we don't agree, arguments are important" saying, in order to gaslight readers into believeing that it was not corporate propaganda all along.
- "Projection at its finest man." another piece of gaslighting just to wrap this up nicely.
@@Lumolla It is the new "I am not racist but....". It is funny because recently I found some people claiming that they are artist or side with artist but they sound like AI bro.
@Lumolla they don’t realize how they’re adding credibility to my videos, do they? Lol
@minigod1234 seems like they fit directly into one of the ai user profiles in this video, right?