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X-pro3 or X-pro2? Avoid buyers regret and GAS.
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- Опубліковано 21 бер 2022
- If you're considering buying a camera, there are a few questions you should ask yourself first.
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My Xpro1 is still used regularly and is not going anywhere, 10 years old, still a great looking camera that takes superb images.
That it is.
Very interesting and honest. Many ”photographs” buy too much camera than they need.
After comparing the two, I bought a used X-Pro2. It has every capability (lens capabilities, adjustable viewfinder, 1/8000 top shutter speed, auto ISO, etc.) that I wanted.
Yes! The x-pro2 is essentially the same as x-pro3 for basic photographic purposes, as far as I can tell. Same solid in hand feel
@@shockandrockets You are rights. The minor improvements between the Pro2 and Pro3 did not warrant me spending extra cash the the "latest and greatest".
Subbed! I’m out here window shopping and the very end of this video made me realize I need to go create with what I have. Thank you!
This is brilliant. Taking time to address the compulsion we all have to buy the latest. You can see how much everyone suffers from GAS - even the influencers.
The most expensive camera I purchased new was a Nikon D800. I still have it, and use it, ten years and over 20,000 photos later. Your new camera will last longer than your phone, so don't feel guilty.
Nice to hear, and that is my plan. It's not perfect though, despite the hefty investment. We'll have to see how it goes for a while. I think keeping a camera for that long is commendable, it really points to being grounded in what matters, so good on you!
I bought a D800 the very month they were available. It too was the most expensive camera I purchased. I used it until 2019. At that point I found a factory refurbished D810 and bought it. I was going to keep both cameras, but after a few months I decided I only need one of them. So I sold my D800. I expect tp keep the D810 till I’m pushing up daisies. After all that I do also have a Fujifilm system that includes an X-Pro3 and anX-T3. I also intend to keep these cameras for at least 20 years.
@@grandpascuba perfect example. you must really know what you need and want to achieve!
Still rocking an Fuji X-70 and XPRO1 and love them! Did get a dose of the inevitable GAS and 'upgraded' to the 24mp sensor and then reverted straight back to the older sensors as preferred the SOOC JPEGs. Great video btw 👌
Yeah I really miss the x100s sensor now….
I had been shooting with Fuji X-Pro1.
When the X-Pro2 was introduced, I bought one because it had two features that I liked:
1. Improved auto focus
2. Twin memory card slots
The X-Pro3 has no additional features that I need. Therefore, I see no reason to “upgrade.”
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I cannot comment on the difference in color science between the X-Pro2 and X-Pro3. However, I know of others who prefer the color science of the X-Pro1 over the X-Pro3.
Fantastic video mate! Really insightful and incredibly useful advice. New gear is always an easy decision. Actually working your photography skills, and defining your photography goals, is definitely not.
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Your point about deciding *what* you want to take photos of is such a good concept. It did lead me to actually buy a newer more expensive camera (the X100V, over having the X100F and X-Pro2) because of thinking about *what* I wanted to take photos of and how gave me very clear ideas about what goals a camera should fulfill. I came to the conclusion that I wanted to take photos in social situations (the rangefinders of X-Pro and X100 lines are good for that), I needed reasonable autofocus (X100F fails this, I actually tried it and struggled immensly to get shots at a party) but it should be small enough that it would be easy to take with me and be reasonably discreet. The X100V does all this.
I sometimes wonder if it would have been cool to have say a a X-Pro3 (a much cooler camera imho!), but then I consider back to my goals for my camera and I see that it actually won't do those things. I've considered changing cameras so often, but now I finally ended up in a pretty stable place.
I also have an X-Pro2 from previously which now has the role of being the 50mm f2 fitted tele lens to my X100V normal-wide event photo setup. And in all honesty, while the X100V ”fullfills” it's job as a everyday camera better than the X-Pro2, I have to say, X-Pro2 just feels kinda magical to use. It's easily the best camera Fuji has made in my book and I vastly prefer it to everything else, aside from size.
Ah yeah, autofocus was THE reason I was unhappy with my x100s. It failed me big time at my dad's wedding. the x100v on the other hand has GREATE face detection. I had the x100v and and xPro3 and while the xPro3 is cute as hell, it's not a camera that's easy to take around. I hope you keep your x100v for a long time and disregard the new shiny things that will come along. Jealous of your xPro2! Cameras are cool.
@@shockandrockets Heh, I have since sold my X100V to and bought a X-Pro3 for various reasons.
But you‘re absolutely right, the X100V was much easier to get many places!
@@torb-no I'm using the wrong account just realized. Anyway though, what drew you to the xpro3? For me I went xpro3 to the x100v for the portability. I liked the experience of the xpro3 though. Even though I suspect viewfinders are making my blind
@@shockandrockets I was already bouncing between X100V and X-Pro2… and so…
I liked the bigger OVF of the X100V compared to X-Pro2 (X-Pro3 one is bigger than both).
I liked using my XF35mm f2 on my X-Pro2. It‘s my favorite lens and focal length.
I like the overall handling of the X-Pro2 more than the X100V, except maybe that I liked being able to flip down the screen on the V. The X-Pro3 does that flip down even faster and easier.
On both my X100V and X-Pro2 I hated that the LCD is shining brightly into my face (I only use the LCD for down low shots). Turning it off and on by cycling view modes is slow and clunky. The X-Pro3 does *exactly* what I want by default LCD for when I have low shots, but hidden otherwise.
I liked how my X100V was shiny (silver in that case). The X-Pro3 had an option for an X-Pro style body that‘s also shiny.
While I *love* that the X100V viewfinder is silent (and the flash sync speed is cool I guess), I ultimately hate that it‘s weird interaction with the aperture. Like how when you‘re at f2 you can't even use the full mechanical shutter speed of 1/4000th. With the X-Pro series I can *always* use the full shutter speed (and it goes to 1/8000th!).
Just generally speaking the handling of X-Pro series, and espescially X-Pro3 series is just so lovely. The way I can easily rock the exposure compensation dial, how I have a big aperture ring grip compared to the dinky X100V. Very friendly to wearing heavy duty gloves!
I also liked the dual card slot of the X-Pro2 and wanted that again. Nice peace of mind for important things, like shooting weddings.
As for X-Pro2 only having a single magnification OVF… I think it‘s worth it for the *significantly* improved OVF of the X-Pro3. Also, I rarely shoot wider than 23mm and in those cases I think the OVF introduced too much parallax anyway. And for 50mm I think the X-Pro3 still works well enough for me at least.
They‘re all great cameras though. If I had unlimited money I might want to have X100V, X-Pro2 *and* X-Pro3.
As it stands I'll probably sell my X-Pro2 as well, and get another X-Pro3 so I have a pair of reliable cameras that I know well how to operate.
One more thing: while I prefer the X-Pro3 now. I honestly think X-Pro2 has as slight edge in image quality. That sensor is *magic*.
I personally love when new flagship models are announced. It is then that I jump on the model being replaced, usually at great savings.
I own a Fujifilm X-T2 because the X-T3 was released and nobody (except people that actually do photography) wants last year's models. Same with my X-Pro2, bought new when the specs for the X-Pro3 were being plastered on all the Fuji-centric websites.
The jumps in technology use to be epic and stunning, but things are so evolved now that new models are only slightly "better". You just aren't giving up much with last year's version and I saved hundreds on each new-in-the-box purchase.
Absolutely. I love hearing about people happily using older models, it tells me they're focussing on what matters
I do feel a bit silly with the newer x-pro, but actually it's not that new right now, so the price difference between it and the 2 is only a couple of hundred. when it was released the difference was much higher. But yes great advice, unless there are very specific reasons to get the latest it makes total sense for most people to get the second or third latest. Those models have been time tested too, so you'll know more about what you're getting. for example my e-pro3 suffers from a well known shutter delay bug that only affects one photo in 30... The xpro3 will go down in history as the camera with the weird shutter. xpro2 won't!
Couldn't agree more!
I purchased my X-T2 once they had stopped being stocked, went to my local Jessops at the time the very next day who had 2 left.. paid a grand total of £300 for the camera brand new and a 3 year warranty for £50 really don't see the point in buying the latest gear or even new gear at this point.
I felt like I had won the lottery that deal and still do now considering mint examples still go for £400
That was a fantastic video. I would dare say that I and many other photographers should watch or rewatch this before ever buying a different camera. Thank you for sharing your work and views.
Thanks for the vote of confidence Benjamin, glad it helps :)
Interesting topic and discussion on GAS. To me life is way too short not to enjoy what you love, whether is simply collecting cameras or photography, don't feel guilty for temporary owning/borrowing and playing things we like/love in life. :)
Yeah it's all about prioities really, and the amount of disposable income. I made this vid cos I've been thinking a lot about it recently, and wanted to help other people who might be on the fence with their decision. Nothing wrong with getting the one you really want if It won't end your marriage!
Thank you for the video.
I had an X-Pro 1 used, which was my first Fujifilm camera. It was a good camera for the money at the time. The sensor was so close to analog film. Images were beautiful. But it was lacking in low light and the focus peaking, even after the additional firmware updates wasn't very good in the EVF. So I was able to get a X-Pro 2 during Covid-19. Paid under $1,400 for a new one.
And it's still going strong. I call it blue collar Leica.
I just couldn't afford the $2,000 price Tag of the X-Pro 3. Besides, I have my XT-3 that comparable to my Canon EOS 5D mk iii.
Very satisfied with my Fujifilm system.
Yeah the x pro 1 focus peeking is very hard to use. Congrats on the x pro 2! Do you find it too mug though? I moved down from xpro back to x100 because I wasn’t taking it everywhere.
Hi, you mentioned it in your video. Why do we go out and take photos? This question is related to the x-pro series of cameras. We do it for the JOY of photography and to enjoy photography in the way we did with film photography and the way the x-pro cameras allow you to do so. Apart from Leica, which many can not afford, there are not too many cameras available that is affordable. Thanks for your thoughts. Cheers
I still own and use my X-T2 & X-H1 extensively. Skipped the X-T3 & 4 (all do I might buy some once the price drops significantly) course those will not make my pictures any better...
Thanks for sharing. Whenever I upgrade something when I didn’t really need to I feel bad. I loved that thing then I traded it for new hotness. I’m glad you won’t have this feeling.
just found your channel. great discussion!
Glad you think so :) thanks.
Good video. GAS clouds your vision (no pun intended) and common sense! Awaiting my X-pro2 in the mail. I have an X-E3 and love this camera but it's very small for my hands and consequently I leave it home. The X-pro will fill the bill with the same internal specs, I hope! These cameras are holding and in many cases increasing in value so I may sell the X-E3. Tks again!!
I’m sure you won’t be disappointed with with xpro2. And yes a well treated Fuji is begginning to seem like an investment
After years of only owning point-and-shoots and iPhones, I decided I wanted a proper camera that I knew I would be able to grow into. A camera beautiful enough that I would feel compelled to use it. I got an X-Pro 3 because of these things and because of the hidden screen! I take photos with a screen on my iPhone regularly, so I wanted my relationship to a camera to be all about the viewfinder.
Anyway, I wasn’t sure if I was making a horrible mistake but I have to say that I love it, and I know it will take me a long time before I will feel like I’ve mastered it.
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Congrats, it’s going to be a great journey. iPhones are great cameras for what they are and the x-pro3 will compliment them nicely when you want to slow right down.
Well said & thank you for sharing .
I came for the fun chit chat talk, and I left with an existentialist dilemma, great video anyway
Haha. My thoughts sometimes tend towards paralysing. Thanks :)
As a hobbyist stills shooter I'm content that the "upgrades" in new models are of little to no importance to my requirements, my only interest in the new releases is gauging how they will negatively impact the price of "older" models. Understanding the historical pricing trend of my favoured brand, Fuji, has allowed me with a little bit of patience to acquire great cameras like the X-Pro 2 & X100F for ridiculous prices compared to launch, ( at launch there was no way I could justify the outlay ). These are my flagships and I'm happy to stop at 24MP and watch these older models further depreciate so that any required future replacement won't break the bank.
Same. And I going off the prices of older fujifilms, many people are converting to this viewpoint!
Interesting video. I often surprise myself when reviewing many years of photo EXIF data on my computer. The reason I surprise myself is I manage to take good and bad photos with just about any camera or iPhone I've ever owned ;) I am a Fujifilm XPro3, XH-1 and Ricoh GRIII user. These camera bodies offer a lot of versatility that I appreciate. I do buy your happiness gauge on upgrading or not upgrading. Also the "creation" aspect you bring up is something I will strive for.
Thanks Bill. I’m still really torn! I love cameras and their photos are more honest. But phones are so fun and convenient. Having a range yourself I bet you take the x-pro out less than the gr3? It’s not that convenient. For me it’s more like getting into “photo mode” where my focus is on that. Thinking of doing a vid on iPhone/travel next. That said at the end of the year I’ll be going to Japan with the x-pro which will be a test. thanks for staying tuned :).
@@alidark3000 I'm about to take a short trip to Scotland and I am planning to take the GRIII. I'm torn about taking the XPro3 or even my XH-1 on such a short trip. But I know if I do that I'll be bringing multiple lenses. Which of course is difficult to justify for such a short trip. That all said I've got to cover a 30 minute event, and I don't see the GRIII as an event camera. Oh, what first world problems I have ;)
@@bill3117 this is exactly the problem I wanted to talk about (minus the event about which I know nothing). When I went to Japan last I committed to an iPhone, even being a camera lover, and it was pretty great once I had fully committed. The wide view was fun. I’m wondering how I’ll go with the xpro, I have a feeling the iPhone will get use as well. Here’s me being confused about what camera to take beforehand: medium.com/@alidark3000/travel-photography-is-confusing-me-again-9c62e652b9a0
And the report after the trip…. This might push you towards the gr .. do people do events with them? Then again if you would commit to leaving your kit in your bag… medium.com/@alidark3000/iphone-11-does-mie-japan-52a69cf3031f
@@alidark3000 And don't even get me started on which one of my camera or non-camera bags to take depending on the camera equipment ;) I should just cut it all down to the essentials, otherwise I won't enjoy the opportunity that travel gives me. Something I haven't done since COVID.
I have G.a.s. spend so much time looking for gear. But I always thought/think i am looking for that camera that will inspire me to shoot, a camera I will see and want to shoot more. But it never happen...yet!
I'm still using a Nikon FG-20. Still shooting with my D200, D300, and D700. Rocking a NEX-6 too. Newest camera I own is a GRIII. Did I mention the M6? Cameras dont make great photographs.
I like your definition of GAS very much!
glad to hear that. watching it back, it seems a bit longwinded :P
Really excellent, but don't forget the sheer joy in itself of buying new gear. You either want / need the new camera or you don't. The reasons you give yourself are just justification. The joy of going a little crazy........
This is true! I've found myself scrimping and saving unnecessarily though from time to time, and I think this kind of joy isn't as sustainable as others... but true
Xpro2 beats xpro 3 in build quility my needs are gone and can do more than I can/need with the 2
Xpro 3 has one thing I like over there xpro 2.... LCD facing up so that my poor knees dont need to hate me.
The new eyepiece on the XPro3 is worth the difference!
Now I’m curious about the xpro2 eyepiece. Thanks for your thought!
Enjoying what you have, knowing what you need v.s. what you want and pointing out that we don't' need the "latest and greatest" is really good advice - but I think you are going a bit too far the other way in proselyting older gear and judging people who just enjoy using newer kit.
Photography should be fun, and what fun is can be different for everyone. If someone enjoys using new kit and can afford it, what's the problem? Its ridiculously condescending to suggest you shouldn't spend money on kit unless you have solved all of the world's problems first...
continue on that way ! Nice ;-)
It’s too late for me I’m already sucked in. I’ll just have to keep this camera for 10 years. Save yourself!
if only phones had a 3:2 aspect ratio...
True.
the phone camera sensors do, they just get cropped, because wide screens are trendy. and the worst part: people don't know that all their pictures get cropped!
iPhone photography is great. So unintrusive
You’re kidding, right!