Trail Bike vs Trail Bike: How Can Both Of These MTBs Be In The Same Category?

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  • Опубліковано 16 вер 2024

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  • @gmbn
    @gmbn  6 місяців тому +3

    Do you prefer more or less travel for a trail bike? Do you think the definition of a trail bike should be vague?

    • @usernamefromhell
      @usernamefromhell 6 місяців тому +3

      Lightweight trail bikes are almost as quick down hill, but WAY faster up, so it's a no brainer, lightweight is king.

    • @tombeck129
      @tombeck129 6 місяців тому +1

      It would have been rather weird to call it Lux Downcountry. So you have Lux Trail. 😂

    • @sherab2078
      @sherab2078 6 місяців тому +1

      And what is the definition, actually? Sure, a downhill bike differs at first glance from an XC bike (especially if the last one is a hard-tail), but in between those two? There is a continuous spectrum. While there is some usefulness in dividing this spectrum into a couple of categories, I think there is currently an oversplit. Bikes theoretically put in two different (but neighbouring) categories can largely overlap in the frame's geometry and suspension's travel. Each of them can do what the second is supposed to do almost with the same efficiency. Perhaps others can appreciate those large number of categories as beneficial, but for me, this is rather confusing.

    • @nukedathlonman
      @nukedathlonman 6 місяців тому +1

      Do I think the definition of trail bike should be vague...Well, my thought is why not?
      I like short travel rising rate bikes myself, and my trail bike is - by geometry standards - an old XC bike but it's a little more weighty as I choose strong durable components (forks, rear shock, brakes, wheels, and groupset (etc)) over light weight race oriented components. Works a treat for me (well, not well for real downhill stuff - as you say, it does get skittish and I have faded out the brakes doing that).

    • @burton926
      @burton926 6 місяців тому

      Only as vague as GMBN's definition of "content"

  • @joshuaallswang8016
    @joshuaallswang8016 6 місяців тому +27

    Who comes up with the content?? The spectral vs the Neuron would of been a better comparison by far! The lux is a XC/downcountry bike.

    • @ryanmichels2981
      @ryanmichels2981 6 місяців тому +10

      Probably canyon deciding what models they want advertised

    • @patriks7
      @patriks7 6 місяців тому +1

      Came to say this as well, these two are most certainly not in the same category.

  • @royvandijk7119
    @royvandijk7119 6 місяців тому +25

    Canyon sells the Trail Lux under their cross country models. It is a down-country bike at most, not a trail bike.

    • @danytheunicorn95
      @danytheunicorn95 6 місяців тому +1

      thank you!

    • @The_1ntern3t
      @The_1ntern3t 6 місяців тому +3

      After a fifteen year pause, all modern mountain bikes look like downhill tanks to me. 😂😅

  • @EvanLownds
    @EvanLownds 6 місяців тому +31

    Canyon also has the Neuron, which is, in fact, another trail bike. That's what I purchased as a perfect in between from the light and race focused Lux and the burly and aggressive Spectral. The Neuron seems to get little love compared to the Spectral, sadly!

    • @narno2988
      @narno2988 6 місяців тому +1

      of course, I think I am going to buy the neuron too

    • @jto-mtb
      @jto-mtb 6 місяців тому

      I have an Ordeal Oiz for the long days with a lot of climbing. But I also have a Spectral 150/160 for days with less than 30km. I do have to say, the Spectral climbs surprisingly well.

    • @stevesullivan9377
      @stevesullivan9377 6 місяців тому

      I bought the Spectral, but wish I’d got the Neuron. It’s too much travel for around here and it’s not that great a climber, at least not for me anyway.
      But in Bike Park Wales and Afan the Spectral is an absolute weapon.
      I’m just gonna have to get the Neuron as well.

    • @joelibrary7359
      @joelibrary7359 6 місяців тому +5

      The Neuron is suffering the middle child syndrome

    • @Chr027
      @Chr027 6 місяців тому +1

      @@stevesullivan9377 I think you made a good choice. The Spectral is the perfect bike for everything

  • @Tomsfr
    @Tomsfr 6 місяців тому +6

    I was hoping for a neuron vs. spectral comparison :(

  • @ZackHarry-ot1jo
    @ZackHarry-ot1jo 6 місяців тому +2

    i think 120mm (front) is downcountry, 130 or 140 is trail, and 150 or 160 is all mtn.

  • @stevengoodwin3154
    @stevengoodwin3154 6 місяців тому +3

    34 secods faster for the loop. Downcountry for the win, again! ✌

  • @E-MTBs
    @E-MTBs 6 місяців тому +1

    I have a Canyon Spectral Rock Shox 150/160 for smashing down technical trails and bike parks and I also have a Canyon Neuron for all-day riding and climbing with a Fox 130/140 kit. They are for different kinds of trails and riding.

  • @sherab2078
    @sherab2078 6 місяців тому +2

    I'm actually glad Canyon kept them in one category. While it is present also to a lesser extent in the road-bikes world, I believe there is a large over-splitting of typology in MTB that serves more as a marketing tool than actual differentiation of bike's designation.

  • @Vvismerhill
    @Vvismerhill 6 місяців тому +3

    Would be great to do some runs with the Neuron aswell !

  • @David-bw7is
    @David-bw7is 6 місяців тому +1

    My 2022 Intense has 65 degree head angle, 150 at the front and (I think) 140 at the back, the frame weighs, god knows it's carbon so probably not a stupid amount and even though it's described as a Trail bike, I predominantly use it as more as an Enduro bike and put the miles in. I think with the geometry it has, pretty much the same as a Spectral from the same year and even though it's a trail bike I'd class it as an "All Mountain" if that's still a thing.

  • @burton926
    @burton926 6 місяців тому +3

    OR, should we make ANOTHER video comparing The Spectral to the Neuron, and ANOTHER video comparing the Neuron to the Lux...and ANOTHER video comparing all 3...just to say "they're good, but different"
    I really want to stay subscribed. I do. But someone in the writer's room needs to put a foot down and say "this is a promo video for Canyon, not an educational video for riders/buyers: let's title it as such".

  • @AMPJ08
    @AMPJ08 3 місяці тому

    She is the soul of this channel, unstoppable force of skill and beauty.

  • @kellichronister9981
    @kellichronister9981 6 місяців тому

    I am a light rider and found the perfect mix of the two in a short travel lightweight bike with slack head angle that allows for a little more aggressive downhill.. Perfect trail bike. Love your presentations.

    • @gmbn
      @gmbn  6 місяців тому

      That's great, sounds like you've found the perfect bike for you. What bike is it?

    • @kellichronister9981
      @kellichronister9981 6 місяців тому +1

      @@gmbn transition spur

  • @kjohnson00hd
    @kjohnson00hd Місяць тому

    Wow, great video. Good comparison of the 2. You just helped me make my decision.

    • @gmbn
      @gmbn  Місяць тому

      Great to hear! Which did you go for?

    • @kjohnson00hd
      @kjohnson00hd Місяць тому

      @gmbn haven't placed my order yet. But it will be the lux

    • @gmbn
      @gmbn  Місяць тому

      Great bike! Enjoy it 😁

  • @soberday9774
    @soberday9774 6 місяців тому +1

    I think there is a vagueness that neednt be there and that may fall into the lap of manafacturers that could profit from this vagueness, For the un-initiated that are quite sure of what they propose to do in MTB unless they do much research they may well end up with a bike they replace very quickly.

  • @blakekennard7700
    @blakekennard7700 6 місяців тому

    Geometry often plays a big big role in how a person that rides trails wants their bike to feel and handle. Personally I prefer the feeling of a slacker hta, anywhere from 63.5-65.5 is how I want a bike to handle. That being said I also don’t need 170mm of travel. I ride a Marin Rift Zone XR. It’s a 130-140 trail bike with a 65.5 hta. I want to put a 1 degree slacker headset cup in it to get the ride feel I want, but the travel feels perfect for me. Love to descend and enjoy the climbs.

  • @user-ek4zq1lt3x
    @user-ek4zq1lt3x 6 місяців тому +1

    Just to chuck another Canyon in the mix, there's also the Neuron!

    • @gmbn
      @gmbn  6 місяців тому

      Sadly we didn't have one to add to the comparison! But still a great bike 🤘

  • @duncanurquhart6508
    @duncanurquhart6508 6 місяців тому

    It's just marketing to sell in different percieved segments. Experienced riders will choose frame and component specs to match what they want regardless of the branding, although labels do make it easier to talk about in loose terms.

  • @mountazeaicky
    @mountazeaicky 6 місяців тому +6

    Should have taken the neuron as well. That would be very interesting

  • @ShadLife
    @ShadLife 6 місяців тому +1

    Ha! Canyon and some others just don't like the name "down country" which is that the Lux is. 😀

  • @DontWorryImAPilot
    @DontWorryImAPilot 6 місяців тому

    I'm going to find myself in the market for a trail bike of some sort later this year. Where I live is a lot of narrow flat-ish singletrack with a lot of chatter plus some not-terrible ups and some short downs. Kind of XC and mellower trail but I'm always seeking the most freeride-y versions of trail (and city) riding to satisfy my freestyle bmx past life and tendencies. I plan to also do a fair bit of traveling to more ups and more downs and I only want one fs trail bike (storage space is low and I'd rather one bike with better spec components than multiple bikes with lower spec stuff). I appreciate these sorts of tests a lot and love the insights you give along the way. I love my hardtail but some of the flat, cattle-path-style chatter can get to be a little soul-crushing and fun-destroying as I bounce across the prairie.
    Out of curiosity: When you rode the two test tracks, in which order did you go? Which bike did you ride first?
    There's a lot of knowledge about a trail (and speed comes with it) to be gained by going down it a second time. I wonder if the Lux benefitted from going 2nd down the hill...OR if the Lux was disadvantaged by having to go down 1st. Sometimes I think these shorter-travel bikes have a "descent capability quotient" (a real phrase indicating a quantifiable measurement, right?) is perhaps a little better than this would imply. All you need is an infinite amount of time on unchanging conditions so you can run the test 7 times after 8 hours of sleep, perfect nutrition, and a 30 minute warmup before each run with each bike to learn the trail, adjust to the idiosyncrasies of each bike, and iron out any flukes. I look forward to the ultra-long-form of this video in the very near future!

  • @michaelphillips3813
    @michaelphillips3813 6 місяців тому

    I’m 49 and past my prime as they say. Your average rider no matter how good they wish they could be is ever going to need a top spec bike. I have a trek fuel ex5 140 front 130 rear. It’s an awesome bike. There is nothing I’ve ridden yet that this bike cannot handle. Buy what you can afford and buy just on the edge of your limit that way if you get better the bike will still be right for you.

  • @j.albertogratacos2076
    @j.albertogratacos2076 6 місяців тому

    I've found that if I'm 10% faster on climbs than my friends, but 10% better on the descents, my friends will do the full ride about 20% faster. I guess that's why XC racers favor the climbing ability of the bike even if it sacrifices downhill speed.

  • @jiajianhou426
    @jiajianhou426 6 місяців тому

    It’s very apparent that travel vs climb vs descent is not an even trade. While only losing a couple seconds on the descent by having less travel, you gain a lot back on the climb.

    • @gmbn
      @gmbn  6 місяців тому +1

      It all depends on where you want the most performance, some people also like the extra travel as a backup to help them out of sticky situations 🤘

  • @lisabradley9288
    @lisabradley9288 6 місяців тому

    Thank you for the excellent content on the two bikes! Just out of interest what size were the two bikes? 🚵‍♀️❤️

  • @augmented2nd666
    @augmented2nd666 6 місяців тому

    Alots gunna have to do with where your geographically located and what you plan on riding. Also depends on what you can afford. My trailbike has no rear suspension but I mostly have steep trails with rocky downhill stuff, I really enjoy the black trails, rock rolls, jumps, drops etc, and thankfully my hardtail is taking the beating so far, its a real BMX rider's MTB, in that it also has one of the simplest forks, the rockshox 35 silver coil, so literally no adjustments except rebound which I've never touched because I just dont care, I just ride it. Its a 2023 Devinci Kobain 11s, it does the things and, to me, its my hardtail enduro, good enough for a brain injury disabled grocery store clerk bairly affording rent.

  • @robertmcfadyen9156
    @robertmcfadyen9156 6 місяців тому

    The first climb attempt time would be slightly exaggerated towards a bettetr time due to being "LESS TIRED" as a rider .

  • @sjc115
    @sjc115 6 місяців тому

    I would like to see the 'bike' isolated by using the same tires/wheels on both and then compare the times. Do it once with the trail wheels/tires and then again with the XC wheels/tires.

  • @TheButlerNZ
    @TheButlerNZ 6 місяців тому +1

    My Giant Faith 0 180mm with 40 stanchions is a trail bike... I ride it on trails all the time. (Preferring trails that go down the side of a hill... but I guess also ones that get me to the top of said hill).
    (Tho I must admit I've been throwing plastic at trees more than riding at the mo)...

    • @gmbn
      @gmbn  6 місяців тому +1

      That can't be easy to pedal to back to the top! Throwing plastic at trees? 🤔

    • @TheButlerNZ
      @TheButlerNZ 6 місяців тому

      @@gmbn It's a little easier to pedal than the previous bike (Foes Weasel "Super Nice (In a Super Horrid Way)" Dirt Shed Show 370
      Throwing Plastic At Trees..... Disc Golf
      🗑🌳 🤾
      (No matter how bad you are, there's always someone that's worse... just go stand by them!)

    • @gmbn
      @gmbn  6 місяців тому

      Extreme frisbee throwing 🤘

    • @TheButlerNZ
      @TheButlerNZ 6 місяців тому

      @@gmbn When not interrupted by said tree, I can hurl a lump of plastic over 100m (Length of a Rugby field).
      On a calm day it's throwing plastic at trees... On a windy day its throwing myself at trees (off the bike... Zigging when i shoulda Zagged!)

  • @gaborpolz3727
    @gaborpolz3727 6 місяців тому +5

    For those type of trail you need a hardtail.

  • @F4Bs3Y
    @F4Bs3Y 6 місяців тому

    Great Choice of Music Guys!

    • @gmbn
      @gmbn  6 місяців тому

      Thank you! Music list is in the description 🎶

  • @chewchew74
    @chewchew74 6 місяців тому

    ???????? I am not confused
    Lux is in XC/Lux Trail
    Spectral is in Trail to begin with.

  • @waynechivell9658
    @waynechivell9658 4 місяці тому

    How did you mount your Garmin/Wahoo onto the Canyon Lux?

  • @ravennexusmh
    @ravennexusmh 6 місяців тому

    even 15+ years ago a trail bike s 120-150mm travel front and rear.
    i still consider my trek scratch air a trail bike at 170mm front and rear (still 26er here) running 203mm brakes.
    people should choose there own definition. i once rode a orange 222 downhill bike in a entry level xc race for a laugh. (came mid pack to for the finish)

    • @plznerfviper9571
      @plznerfviper9571 6 місяців тому

      bro some might argue for your bike that if it is an enduro or super enduro and you call that trail :D ?

  • @theblackjackchannel1082
    @theblackjackchannel1082 6 місяців тому

    In Italy we call bikes like the spectral "all mountain"

  • @craigbest8644
    @craigbest8644 6 місяців тому +4

    Really neither is a 'trail bike', one is a 'down country'(hate that name, it's just beefed up xc) and the other is basically a short travel enduro bike which is also sort of pointless. Like others have commented the Neuron is the out and out trail bike in Canyons line up.

    • @patriks7
      @patriks7 6 місяців тому

      That is not correct, the Spectral has been completely updated from the last generation and it is not heading in the enduro direction anymore as it did before. It's now a proper trail bike.

    • @craigbest8644
      @craigbest8644 6 місяців тому

      @@patriks7 but the bike Anna is using in the video is the old Spectral 125 so my point is valid.

  • @daledubose3032
    @daledubose3032 6 місяців тому +1

    I like the term down-county for that Lux. I have a 120mm Trek Top Fuel that I consider down-country

  • @stujm8376
    @stujm8376 6 місяців тому

    As you said trail means different things to different people. I don’t think you can classify just one bike as a trail bike. I ride a hardtail that was classified as a trail bike by the manufacturer, though I would suggest it was more of an xc setup when I got it. I’ve since modified it to be more of a trail setup, but still use it to ride xc too. Just change the tyres, stem and handlebar width and there you go… mountain biking is still the best sport ever, however you classify your bike setup…😬

    • @gmbn
      @gmbn  6 місяців тому

      That's a great way of looking at it! It sounds like you've tweaked your set up to fit your style of riding perfectly. We couldn't agree more, mountain is the best 🤘

  • @jaroslavruszo
    @jaroslavruszo 6 місяців тому

    Hello. What is size of bikes are you riding in video? Thank you.

  • @joshuaallswang8016
    @joshuaallswang8016 6 місяців тому

    65-66 HTA and 140/130 travel bike is the perfect trail bike. Screw what the industry thinks!

  • @noelbodle8863
    @noelbodle8863 6 місяців тому

    The best trail bike is the one that offers the best compromise to where you ride the most, for me it is a 120mm Transition Spur.

    • @carltonholmes8061
      @carltonholmes8061 6 місяців тому +1

      I would like a SPUR but they are damn expensive for a good and light build in Large. 😢

    • @noelbodle8863
      @noelbodle8863 6 місяців тому

      @@carltonholmes8061 I would certainly recommend one it’s easily the best bike I’ve ever owned. Unfortunately though all bikes are stupidly expensive particularly if you’re wanting a lighter build. However even though I was not happy about spending that kind of money on a bike, it is my passion and in the end I think it’s money well spent for what I get from it. I would not spend that kind of money on anything else though.

  • @andymakarewich
    @andymakarewich 6 місяців тому

    #askgmbn. I am curious about muscle memory when it comes to riding. Here in Canada our brakes are set up opposite to what you have in the UK. I wonder how your presenters would do on a course riding a bike set up opposite to what they are used to. I’m not looking to see anyone get hurt but I expect times would be significantly slower

  • @ish474
    @ish474 6 місяців тому

    Beyond people's perceptions of a trail is there are literal differences in Trails depending on where you live

  • @James-e4d6h
    @James-e4d6h 6 місяців тому +3

    Come on guys the Lux trail despite the name is even labelled on Canyons website as an xc bike. This isn’t a good comparison and Anna should stick to tech where she can be wrong over there 🤦‍♂️

  • @homeworkredcard
    @homeworkredcard 6 місяців тому

    longer travel trail bikes are ideal for the single bike cave. trails, jumps, bike parks, milk and bread they will not hold you back.

  • @westvideos
    @westvideos 6 місяців тому

    I would have liked it when also the Neuron was in this comparison.

  • @ExplosiveNotes
    @ExplosiveNotes 6 місяців тому

    Seems to me like it's time for square country bikes and entrail bikes.

  • @harveyjoneswoodsman5956
    @harveyjoneswoodsman5956 6 місяців тому

    29 × 3.0 ht 120mm = trail bike 😊

  • @edwards8383
    @edwards8383 6 місяців тому

    They can call it what they like the LUX is down country at most 😅😅😅

  • @voicheck1
    @voicheck1 6 місяців тому

    Maybe a heavier rider feels the benefit of having more travel 🤷🏻‍♂️

  • @labret2
    @labret2 3 місяці тому +1

    That Lux looks sexy.

  • @cornishcactus
    @cornishcactus 6 місяців тому

    Most of those 8 seconds were in the tyres on that sloppy mud.

  • @kickbackgarage
    @kickbackgarage 6 місяців тому

    My Trail bike has 120/130 and a 65 head angle. I am no faster downhill on my (just sold) 140/150 bike but much faster up. I just put my bigger bike up for sale :)

    • @gmbn
      @gmbn  6 місяців тому

      That's very interesting! What bike are currently riding?

    • @kickbackgarage
      @kickbackgarage 6 місяців тому

      Rocky Mountain Element@@gmbn

    • @kickbackgarage
      @kickbackgarage 6 місяців тому

      Rocky Mountain Element@@gmbn

    • @kickbackgarage
      @kickbackgarage 6 місяців тому

      @@gmbn Rocky Mountain Element

  • @JeffAasgaard
    @JeffAasgaard 6 місяців тому

    Great video but hate the editing at the start

  • @benjy288
    @benjy288 6 місяців тому

    Mountain bike categories have gone to pot, to the point where they might as well just get rid of them all together, a scott spark is supposed to be a cross country bike, yet it basically has the travel and head angle as the grand canyon hard tail, which is supposed to be a trail bike.

    • @gmbn
      @gmbn  6 місяців тому

      It's the best way companies can advertise the intended purpose of their bikes. Most companies will have differing views on what geometry/travel works best for some disciplines! Annoyingly it makes it a bit confusing for us consumers. But it's good to give you a rough idea of what the bike is capable of 🤘

    • @benjy288
      @benjy288 6 місяців тому

      @@gmbn I think something like travel and geometry would be a more accurate way.

    • @gmbn
      @gmbn  6 місяців тому

      That info is available, but without companies simplifying it new riders would struggle to buy the right bikes. The best way to look at it is as a 'helping hand', it's up to you if you take is 👌

    • @benjy288
      @benjy288 6 місяців тому

      @@gmbn The problem is the helping hand is all out of wack, what makes a bike with 125mm of travel and a 67 head angle a trail bike, and then another bike from a different manufacturer with the same numbers a cross country bike? that doesn't help new riders, and what's the difference between a trail bike and an enduro bike these days? the geometry and suspension travel? some trail bikes have basically the same geometry and travel as some enduro bikes, so what's the difference besides their classification?

  • @vehicle-stuff
    @vehicle-stuff 6 місяців тому

    All MTBs are trail bikes. 😊

  • @pedrosanciny6345
    @pedrosanciny6345 6 місяців тому

    Lux isnt classed as trail bike.

  • @LaurentiusTriarius
    @LaurentiusTriarius 6 місяців тому

    When I was 6 my trail bike was a BMX and I was happy with it, ride what u got. 🎉

    • @gmbn
      @gmbn  6 місяців тому

      We couldn't agree more! What is your trail bike now? 🔥

  • @rileyparrish184
    @rileyparrish184 6 місяців тому

    Because there are black diamond trails and green trails...

    • @gmbn
      @gmbn  6 місяців тому

      Good point, but some black trails are better on a downhill bike, would this make them a trail bike as well? 🤔

  • @mrazteacher
    @mrazteacher 6 місяців тому

    Ibis Ridley

  • @E.T_rode_bikes_As_well
    @E.T_rode_bikes_As_well 6 місяців тому

    Lux trail im pretty sure is a downcountry bike. 😂

  • @jarrodmc6733
    @jarrodmc6733 6 місяців тому

    Hmm oceany

  • @ivostarmans1199
    @ivostarmans1199 6 місяців тому

    They have 4.
    Lux trail
    Neuron
    Spectral 125
    Spectral 150

  • @ChrisSgaraglino
    @ChrisSgaraglino 6 місяців тому +1

    You cannot copy Berm Peek (UA-camr) and be respected! Ripping off another UA-camr’s catch phrase only shows desperation. I’m disappointed, I thought you were better than that, I guess not!

  • @ericwayne3590
    @ericwayne3590 3 місяці тому

    27,5?