Eddie And Jamal Deadlift Speed Comparison
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- Опубліковано 22 жов 2022
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I think the bar speed is faster on Eddie's, but Jamal's reduced ROM still let's him lock the lift earlier.
True. Eddie was an absolute beast in his prime.
But Could you imagine Jamal deadlifting in a suit
@@kalashnikov47ful Deadlift suits are surprisingly ineffective. They barely add that much for most people. For example without a deadlift suit Larry wheels best was 900lbs. At about the same strength level he pulled like 925 or something like that in a suit. It's only recently that he was able to rep out 900+ pounds.
@@kalashnikov47ful wouldn't do shit for sumo
Eddie’s 472.5kg deadlift in the 10th(?) event of WSM 2017 could be argued as one of the greatest lifts of all time. Conventional + suit + figure 8’s but on a thicker stiff bar in Botswana’s heat.
and for four days of event
That's arguably as impressive as his 500. He was NOT fresh for that event. That was 2 of 3 events on that day, and had been competing for days before that.
stiff bar too, even looked like a defecit but i think its because hes huge lol
That's a real dl in the middle of a competition
Not disagreeing with what you said but think bar doesn’t matter if you are wearing figure 8s
Some guys aren't that explosive, and you don't get extra points for it anyway.
Brian Shaw is a good example.
He can pull sub-maximal numbers fast, but for max lifts, they're slow as expected. Big Z was never a fast puller either. He lifts like a tugboat.
The fact that Eddie pulled 20 more kg CONVENTIONAL just as fast or even faster than Jamal's 400 kg pull is more impressive to me.
same, and his 465kg after was equally as impressive for the speed of the lift
Not comparable, Eddie Hall used a Deadlift Suit and Figure 8 Straps. Also he weighed a good 60-70kg more.
@@Direheart66 but jamal used sumo
@@Direheart66 because its strongman
@@shalami_lifts9176 How the hack is a suit remotely comparable to sumo
Eddie’s was much faster, end of.
Bar moved further in the same time, therefore bar speed was higher.
Jamal locked out first but if you watch the bar and how fast it seems to be moving, Eddie's seems to have more bar speed and I think Jamal locks out first because of the shorter ROM. Obviously, both are sensationally strong and amazing athletes, but I thought this worth pointing out.
Can't compare, two different lifts.
Jamal has done a 500kg pull, compare that to Eddies
sumo 500 kg waayyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy much easier than convencional
@@gav5709 Jamal’s 500kg sumo at his bodyweight is much more impressive than Eddie’s 500kg conventional at his bodyweight
@@Gorillaugains Yea so much impressive, like a 100kg bench press is more impressive than a 100kg OHP...craaaaazzyy...
@@gav5709 it's so much easier that Eddie could only do 400k sumo 😂
@@Gorillaugains highly disagree.
People ignore the fact that Eddie was heavy as hell weighing nearly 400lbs and Jamal is nearly 150 or more lbs less, and Eddie is using straps and a deadlift suit, Jamal is just doing a normal day in the gym. Both are strong but is it really that strong when Eddie is only deadlift maybe 2.25x his body weight and Jamal does 4x his? Can’t compare them, Jamal is superior lb for lb
The more you weigh the worse lbs for lbs comparison gets for you, it doesnt scale all the way up to 400lbs…
jamal wouldnt be able to do 500kg at 200kg bodyweight, im telling you
Please stop with all the pound for pound nonsense , the deadlift scales the worst with bodyweight , it even caps at a certain bodyweight , Larry's deadlift almost didint improve when he was 310+ lbs . The super heavyweight poweflifters have the same deadlifts as the lighter guys , the squat improves more with bodyweight. Jamal has almost maxed out his frame and leverages , maybe he can add a few pounds from getting bigger but we can't say if it will improve his deadlift . If he gets fat and put on 30 kg his deadlift could even go down
@@uoiuo The super heavyweight poweflifters have the same deadlifts as the lighter guys this is a bad comparison. The reason SHW power lifters deadlifts don't scale very well is because hands get fatter as you increase in weight and hence grip becomes harder. This problem is solved by straps.
@@twirdman2 It's more that the power belly gets in the way. Bigger squat, worse deadlift. I don't think it's a grip issue, 400 lb strongmen have grip that obliterates powerlifters. They just don't use it the same way in a deadlift because so many other events tax the grip.
Range of motion matters
So many arguments i see
But i am just happy to admire both of them super strong
Eddie hall was double jamals weight, uses figure 8 straps and a suit so I wouldn't even compare the 2 it's not even close, Jamal pull is way more impressive
don't get me wrong, i love all sorts of lifting but its becoming so hard to compare everyones lifts when theres so many varuables to consider now! suits, straps, stances, bodyweight etc.. good lord haha
Eddie will probably be the greatest deadlifter to ever walk this earth, for someone to increase to world record with the same amount, they would almost have to pull 540kg
Which is gonna happen at some point.
So 465 to 500 is equally impressive as 501 to 540? It's almost like saying 165 to 200 jump and 201 to 240 Jump are the the same in a chronological context.
After the jump has been made, do you think doing that kind of and jump on top of that is equally impressive? If done it's 10 times more impressive.
Illogic explanation.
This is some bullshit. Sumo and conventional deadlift is not the same thing
jamal is the best deadlifter in history, i think he can pull with straps530-550kg 1-3 years from now
No one cares about sumo
@@bernieboy no one cares about your opinion
Even if he pulls 550kg Benni Magnussons Deadlift is still the real nr 1
@@bernieboy yeap. I can totally see that by the 314.000 followers he has on Instagram, the 4.000.000++ views and 200.000 likes on that 500 kg pull. To put that into perspective, imagine a stadium filled with 200.000 people, approving that 500 kg pull 👀 Yeah mate. totally agree with you.
maybe 520kg
Now compare the 432.5kg conventional of Jamal to any similar weight on Eddie's pull 😆
Take the suit and the straps off Eddie too, that way it would be fair don't you think?
@@matyh455 Is jamal who is after Eddie's/Thor's record, not the other way.
@@rauxh Now, take the straps off Eddie's hands and see how much he could do. Thor failed at 425. 😏🌝 Meanwhile, Jamal pulled completely raw at the bw of almost 200 lbs less, in conventional stance too. 🌝
@@rauxh Jamal plays around with Thor's max strapless like it's an empty bar, at the bw of nearly 200 lbs less, in the same stance too. 🌝😏
If you ain't impressed by that, you ain't got a 🧠
Jamal plays around with Thor's max strapless like it's an empty bar, at the bw of nearly 200 lbs less, in the same stance too (also no straps). 🌝😏
u cant compare conv to sumo. sumo is way more easier.
Heaviest weight ever lifted were all conv. If sumo was that easy why sumo aren’t in the list?
@@ParasOli25 sumo is not allowed in all competitions.
@@ParasOli25 Sumo is banned in strongman from what I understand. They do a lot of partial ROM deadlifts like 18", so sumo would already be locked out in some cases.
Next let’s compare throwing speed of a baseball and football.
Jamal Browner pulled 432.5kg raw conventional, I'm pretty sure that's stronger than any of Eddies raw conventional pulls.
You’re crazy if you think jamal is stronger than Eddie. Eddie pulled that beltless for reps.
let's not get crazy here and compare sumo to conventional xD
Man I love Jamals technique! The bar pull then lock in is Chefs kiss 🤌
Different exercises why compare them 🤷♂️
Just compare sumo to sumo and conventional to conventional. Ask yourselves the following. If the two pulls were separate records, which one would you care about if you heard someone say "a deadlift record was broken"?.
i care more about sumo because i think the technique lift is more interesting than brute force, but everyone is different i guess.
@@Nicosuessler213 me too
The one that's heavier. I really don't get where the fuck this hatred for sumo came from. When Ed Coan was lifting no one called it cheating when he did sumo. OD Wilson did sumo and no one called it cheating. That guy even did sumo on like an 18 inch pull and it was accepted.
You want to deadlift you lift the weight from the floor that's it.
@@twirdman2 Mainly from DL bars then to Kabuki DL bars. Ed also competed on a stiff bar with 2 hour weigh ins and often following himself after attempts with barely a few minutes in between. The difference between the two styles plus his very narrow sumo made it not as different.
It's a lot easier to just have two DL records so you can compare like with like and this entire issue would end instantly. Also to stop making whippier bars just to get higher numbers, that shit is wack.
@@gminasyan Also to stop making whippier bars just to get higher numbers, that shit is wack.
I totally agree with this part.
It's a lot easier to just have two DL records so you can compare like with like and this entire issue would end instantly.
Except you wouldn't just have 2 deadlift records. For powerlifting you'd have 2 DL records per weight class, per federation, per age, etc. There are already enough different records for powerlifting we dont' need to add more. Also there are already dozens of deadlift varients for strongman so adding more records there doesn't really make sense either.
eddie is obviously quicker. the reason jamal locks out earlier is because of the large difference in ROM. if you were to track the bar speed itself there would be no question
suit is not that big of a factor in deadlifting
Sumo vs Conventional
they have different barbells
They're all deadlifts but one is conventional and one is sumo.
Honestly it makes no sense to compare a sumo to a deadlift and on top of that the deadlift was heavier by 20 kg which ia huge so relax
First, much love
here are the facts :
Speaking PURELY ABOUT THE MECHANICS.
You should be able lift more using sumo.
Why? The sumo lift utilises adductor reflex in addition to extending the torso.
The conventional deadlift does not incorporate the adductor reflex, instead you knee extend off the ground and follow through with torso.
This is biomechanics . If you use more parts of the body you can lift more . Now, this is where it gets individualised to what limbs and structure you have . You ideally want to pick what is optimal for your body .
The heaviest lift recorded has been done by a sumo (502.5kg) . This makes sense .
The heavier lift should always be a sumo variant .
Why? Because you use more of the body in the sumo .
These sumo lifters will look disproportionate physically . Be hypermobile and have leverages that are anomalies
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Eddie hall was the first to do 500 using CONVENTIONAL . It makes it even more impressive he did it using conventional.
Respect it and don’t ever compare or I’ll bash ya
I dont think this theory holds up well. You can for sure use your abductors on a conventional deadlift aswell by pointing out your toes a bit. You just recruit muscles in a different pattern. I do see it as a seperate movement. It just highly depends on how strong certain muscles are. Some people have good knee extensors and others back/hip extensors that are stronger.
@@mikabremer9087 you are incorrect . I spoke about adductor in the sumo . Spread your legs
Revise
@@hansneggs as i said in my previous comment you can literally use those on a conventional deadlift. By having a bit wider of a stance (does not have to be much) and opening up your hips you can use your adductors.
@@mikabremer9087 you will still be knee extension dominant . This is the typical strongman style deadlift off going wider .
True sumo uses adductor to break off floor and their positioning shows this . They are very wide . the adductor reflex is what breaks it off the ground .
This tells me you don’t know how to sumo properly by the way you reason.
The adductor reflex is crazy powerful if you can use it but it requires tremendous mobility,leverages , relaxation that some body’s don’t have .
Jamal browner etc etc
@@hansneggs i never said you wont be knee extension dominant on sumo. Its just you can recruit more of your adductors. Plus it is not a reflex its just you recruiting more adductors on sumo than on conventional generally speaking. Than again sumo uses less hip hinge. Theres an arguement for both.
I hate sumo, but, 500kg being like 80kg lighter in bodyweight and no suit, it’s still more impressive to me. Also, I bet Jamal can pull around 440kg conventional with no suit right now.
so why jamal did not try sumo with suit? because with suit he wouldn’t be able to make such wide stand
but...the bar isn't moving the same distance??
To me it needs to be either powerlifting standards, meaning no straps, or strongman standards, meaning no sumo. Mixing and matching rules to create a 4 inch range of motion just isn't comparable to competition lifts.
Eddies was faster because the ROM was more and the speed was virtually the same
There's also twice the distance and buy Eddie weighed more
twice the distance?
Let’s compare leg extensions to hip thrusts next. Wtf is with comparing two lifts that have nothing to do with each other?
They’re both deadlifts ..you nut job
The sumo stuff is cool, but it shouldn't take the spotlight away from people who are pushing to the limit to try and beat Eddie and Thor's conventional deadlift record.
Duck conventional
Just tried sumo for the first time ever and added 30 kg to my lift hmmmm
Sumo is not real deadlifting
Wow. The sumo haters are getting more aggressive lately. So much rage on every video. It's a nieche sport, why get so extremely worked up about it?
Why are you even comparing these different lifts? Of course Jamal with the sumo and limited rom would be quicker. Although Eddie did look to be just as quick and pulled conventional so it was a better lift. Next time compare with Jamal pulling 400kg conventional and then we have a proper video.
U can’t compare when the range of motion is less vs more ,even with a suit . The suit doesn’t help as much as everyone thinks on conventional deadlift .
I respect Hall, he was the first.....but Jamal is other worldly in his pulling. bottom line
These are not comparable, different stance, weights, equipment. Terrible video!
Bro conventional vs sumo.. eddie all the way
How come you keep two channels? Just curious bro. 🫣😄 The content is similar so 1 channel is enough if you ask from me. Or do you earn more from tube when you got two channels and more commercials in your vids?