@@LDVSofto I did some digging, according to the discoverer, the actual dream world spawns between the stranger and the sun. When the stranger starts moving away from the sun to avoid the supernova, the ship falls out of its cloaking field and is just hanging in space. Eventually it starts falling towards the sun since it's the only thing exerting any pull on it and thus the ship falls into the dream world! The trick is called Lucid Dreaming if you want to look more into it EDIT: as for how it lands *exactly where* it lands, just sheer trial and error
Seems there's a speedrunning technique for OW:EotE called "Lucid Dreaming". The Stranger can push the spaceship directly into the place where dream world is located.
No wonder the Owlks try to "forcibly devirtualize" the Hatchling on sight... they're terrified of their control over reality itself! "Excuse you, little blue guy, could you, like, maybe _not_ with the dragging of physical matter into our virtual world?"
oh my god, taking inspiration from the mistakes in the GDQ run to massively overhaul this route (i think)? in a way that showcases both lucid dreaming and gorge deloading, plus a new(?) glitch ive never seen before with the prisoner? and shaving over a minute off of this category? honestly super fucking sick. GG
The dream world spawns between the sun and the stranger, when the stranger starts moving away to avoid the supernova, your ship is left hanging in space after it leaves the cloaking field, eventually it starts falling towards the sun and thus falls into the dream!
@@efarithey didn’t leave the ship where most people who do this glitch do. I suspect they left it just outside the gravity of the Stranger (also it looked like they hit it with a scout) and so it may have started drifting towards the sun immediately, with them getting into the dream world in time to prevent it drifting past. This is just speculation on my part, though.
since the vision you show to the prisoner changes depending on the contents of your ship log, i wonder what a vision to the prisoner with zero log entries would look like?
It would show the stranger dying, then nomai build houses and then suddenly drop dead. Then feldspar finds the eye symbol in the ruin and you grow up and go into space
Just in case you hadn't found an answer so far (and there are some in this comment section) It's a glitch called "Lucid Dreaming" By positioning the ship just right outside the stranger and entering the dream world you can make the ship fall towards the 2d plane that makes up the dream world as said plane is only a bit away from the stranger. Because like almost everything else in outer wilds, the dream world is still part of the same "Level". The ship falls towards the plane, you can find it and get your equipment back on. In this case the most important bit is the probe launcher as that actually gives you speed in the opposite direction that you fire the probe (As per Newton's third law of motion), you can actually see that trick in other speedruns. As you can see, the boosts from the probe allow the speedrunner to move about the dream world in ways never intended.
- wait, he got to start like every other speedun and still do it that fast ? - oh yes, he have to find it blind... I guess It must not be that hard with the timing of the jump always being the same, but it's still impressive! - why is he letting his ship there? - wtf - WTF - WTFF - what did just I witness ???
Based on what precious little I know about speedrunning tech for this game, I believe they're initiating a glitch called "deloading." If you look up the video "Outer Wilds devs react to AGDQ 2023 100% Stranger speedrun" on Mobius' channel, you'll hear commentary from this same speedrunner (and from the devs watching later). Around the 21:20 mark of that video, ptminsker explains deloading: you cross an invisible boundary that defines a particular area of the Stranger (e.g., the Hidden Canyon), you pop down a scout, you cross back out of that invisible boundary, and then you re-enter. For some reason, in this patch of the game, that causes some of the buildings to "de-load" so you can glitch right through them. So at 1:38 here, they enter the upper door (which I'm guessing is what marks the invisible boundary of the Hidden Canyon area), pop down a scout, exit the door to pick up the artifact, and then re-enter. At the 1:52 mark, they save time by glitching through the tower wall (the same one that they glitch through in that other video). I'm not 100% positive this is why they skip over the artifact at first, but I'm like 70% positive.
i thought i found a method of getting into the dreamworld while dead faster, and wanted to see if it's already known and used in speedruns, i forgot glitches exist...
Compared to the canonical solution, it’s hilarious how much the spacesuit trivializes the Vault 😂. Also, The Prisoner’s N64 model being identical to what’s shown in the slide reel is spectacular accuracy, whichever was designed first 🎉
Why do you wait for a few seconds while dozing off? Does it have to do anything with the ship entering the area? Afaik you can awaken at 00:00, why is that not a time save, as you still had to walk to the ship?
@@ptminsker I see. Another question, how do you manage to do scout boosting so fast? I don't even understand how such consistency at this speed is possible (i can't even get scout launces in such a rapid succession at all actually), I'm only able to match the pace of shooting of 2nd/3rd place any% runs, how are yours this fast? I have both my mouse buttons bound for shooting/recalling and time clicks, is there a different strat?
Oh nvm, realized that recalling only works if you're not holding the shoot button, still don't understand how it's possible to do it this consistently but at least I can hit the pace sometimes now lmao
Well, the simulations are zones that the game loads when you sleep with the artifact at the green fire, but they are loaded in the same space as everything else, so by leaving your ship wander off in space, if you leave at the right angle and at the right place it falls into the simulation area
Out of curiosity, what does the setup with the signalscope at the beginning actually do? My non speedrunner brain gets that you need to use the geyser to get up there but I don't get why you need to be really precise about it all before then...
The signalscope is used to line up the exact spot the player needs to be looking and standing. This is done because getting the geyser to shoot you towards the platform is pretty precise, and landing on the railing (the only place you won't die from fall damage, because slopes make fall damage weird) is *insanely* precise. Landing on the ship is death, landing on the platform is death, it's just the railing. I'm sure pixel perfect is an exaggeration, but it sure feels that way.
@@connormccarthy2745 funny enough, tomatoanus put out a video on the run recently that explained exactly the same! Thanks for taking the time to write your reply though, much appreciated
![Can you fly to the Quantum Moon's sixth location? [Outer Wilds]](/img/n.gif)
"Alright, pretty average speedrun so far-"
>ship falls through ceiling
"you wHAT-"
My jaw literally dropped when the ship just dropped into the dream…
Like of all things to happen where did the skip came from and how it ended exactly here exactly when it was needed?!
@@LDVSofto I did some digging, according to the discoverer, the actual dream world spawns between the stranger and the sun. When the stranger starts moving away from the sun to avoid the supernova, the ship falls out of its cloaking field and is just hanging in space. Eventually it starts falling towards the sun since it's the only thing exerting any pull on it and thus the ship falls into the dream world! The trick is called Lucid Dreaming if you want to look more into it
EDIT: as for how it lands *exactly where* it lands, just sheer trial and error
Fucken same, I just sat there for a second before saying aloud to myself "how the fuck?!"
Seems there's a speedrunning technique for OW:EotE called "Lucid Dreaming". The Stranger can push the spaceship directly into the place where dream world is located.
It is called lucid dreaming
The ship appearing out of nowhere exactly when you need it is the funniest shit
And when you look at it, he actually waited dozing off at the fire just the right amount.
No wonder the Owlks try to "forcibly devirtualize" the Hatchling on sight... they're terrified of their control over reality itself! "Excuse you, little blue guy, could you, like, maybe _not_ with the dragging of physical matter into our virtual world?"
_when u drink three redbulls before entering the simulation:_
At first I wondered why he didn't die before entering sleep. Then the ship fell out of nowhere and my brain stopped working.
0:38 Is no one gonna talk about that slide? That shit was CLEAN lmao.
Nah, we're used to that shit.
It really looks like a different game when you're running it! Amazing run, congrats!
Canonically, this run took 0 seconds.
oh my god, taking inspiration from the mistakes in the GDQ run to massively overhaul this route (i think)? in a way that showcases both lucid dreaming and gorge deloading, plus a new(?) glitch ive never seen before with the prisoner? and shaving over a minute off of this category? honestly super fucking sick. GG
Same glitch as gorge deloading, just used in the dreamworld this time, as far as I can tell.
this is the coolest outer wilds speedrun ive seen
No its bonk%
Bro we need a bigger camp fire to put the ship inside of a dream.
Heh seeing the prisoner himself as data is kind of jarring. Takes a lot of the splendor out of it lol.
did the ship drop because the dream world loads just below it?
The dream world spawns between the sun and the stranger, when the stranger starts moving away to avoid the supernova, your ship is left hanging in space after it leaves the cloaking field, eventually it starts falling towards the sun and thus falls into the dream!
@@Imperial_Squid Amazing
@@Imperial_Squid that seems too possible to do unintentionally lol
@@Imperial_Squidbut this is way too soon for the stranger to be moving though… ? They didn’t sleep at the campfire at the start to progress time
@@efarithey didn’t leave the ship where most people who do this glitch do. I suspect they left it just outside the gravity of the Stranger (also it looked like they hit it with a scout) and so it may have started drifting towards the sun immediately, with them getting into the dream world in time to prevent it drifting past.
This is just speculation on my part, though.
Incredible. Well done man
WOW! YOU GOT THE SUIT SO THE GAME WOULDN'T DETECT YOU ARE WET
I got here as quick as I could.
What voodoo witchcraft did I just witness?!?!?
This is incredible man
since the vision you show to the prisoner changes depending on the contents of your ship log, i wonder what a vision to the prisoner with zero log entries would look like?
I like to imagine his vision is basically a "No thoughts, only vibes" shitpost.
It would show the stranger dying, then nomai build houses and then suddenly drop dead. Then feldspar finds the eye symbol in the ruin and you grow up and go into space
When you order pizza delivery and your driver is no mere mortal.
I saw things in this run, that i didn't even discover in the original game...
I think you broke the simulation 2:20
You think?
WHAT¡?¡? THE SHIP??!
How the hell did the ship drop into the simulation
Just in case you hadn't found an answer so far (and there are some in this comment section)
It's a glitch called "Lucid Dreaming"
By positioning the ship just right outside the stranger and entering the dream world you can make the ship fall towards the 2d plane that makes up the dream world as said plane is only a bit away from the stranger.
Because like almost everything else in outer wilds, the dream world is still part of the same "Level".
The ship falls towards the plane, you can find it and get your equipment back on. In this case the most important bit is the probe launcher as that actually gives you speed in the opposite direction that you fire the probe (As per Newton's third law of motion), you can actually see that trick in other speedruns.
As you can see, the boosts from the probe allow the speedrunner to move about the dream world in ways never intended.
this is so insane lol
- wait, he got to start like every other speedun and still do it that fast ?
- oh yes, he have to find it blind... I guess It must not be that hard with the timing of the jump always being the same, but it's still impressive!
- why is he letting his ship there?
- wtf
- WTF
- WTFF
- what did just I witness ???
at 1:38 - why jump over the artifact and then go back for it?
There's a door opening there ... maybe he needed the scout to keep the door open or something?
Based on what precious little I know about speedrunning tech for this game, I believe they're initiating a glitch called "deloading." If you look up the video "Outer Wilds devs react to AGDQ 2023 100% Stranger speedrun" on Mobius' channel, you'll hear commentary from this same speedrunner (and from the devs watching later). Around the 21:20 mark of that video, ptminsker explains deloading: you cross an invisible boundary that defines a particular area of the Stranger (e.g., the Hidden Canyon), you pop down a scout, you cross back out of that invisible boundary, and then you re-enter. For some reason, in this patch of the game, that causes some of the buildings to "de-load" so you can glitch right through them.
So at 1:38 here, they enter the upper door (which I'm guessing is what marks the invisible boundary of the Hidden Canyon area), pop down a scout, exit the door to pick up the artifact, and then re-enter. At the 1:52 mark, they save time by glitching through the tower wall (the same one that they glitch through in that other video). I'm not 100% positive this is why they skip over the artifact at first, but I'm like 70% positive.
beautifully done!!
wait is the prisoner accessible if you don't open the door?
The area probably isn't loaded until you open the door
My guess is no. He probably only loads in once the door opens.
i thought i found a method of getting into the dreamworld while dead faster, and wanted to see if it's already known and used in speedruns, i forgot glitches exist...
holy moly :o
Compared to the canonical solution, it’s hilarious how much the spacesuit trivializes the Vault 😂.
Also, The Prisoner’s N64 model being identical to what’s shown in the slide reel is spectacular accuracy, whichever was designed first 🎉
Why do you wait for a few seconds while dozing off? Does it have to do anything with the ship entering the area? Afaik you can awaken at 00:00, why is that not a time save, as you still had to walk to the ship?
The ship takes time to fall into the dream world, if I awoke at 00:00 I would've likely had to stand and wait for a bit for the ship to fall.
@@ptminsker I see. Another question, how do you manage to do scout boosting so fast? I don't even understand how such consistency at this speed is possible (i can't even get scout launces in such a rapid succession at all actually), I'm only able to match the pace of shooting of 2nd/3rd place any% runs, how are yours this fast? I have both my mouse buttons bound for shooting/recalling and time clicks, is there a different strat?
Oh nvm, realized that recalling only works if you're not holding the shoot button, still don't understand how it's possible to do it this consistently but at least I can hit the pace sometimes now lmao
Wait! The slides didn't mention any "ship" glitch!
its so cool
HOW THE SHIP
Not a big deal, only had a million loops to practice
Wait, how do you extinguish the seals without the artifact?
You don't need it to extinguish since you blow them out
@@imBigo Uh.... really? I thought you nneeded the interfact to interact with anything. Damn
Reckon he can do that in real life?
how does the ship glitch even work?
You just gotta learn to lucid dream and manifest the ship at will.
Well, the simulations are zones that the game loads when you sleep with the artifact at the green fire, but they are loaded in the same space as everything else, so by leaving your ship wander off in space, if you leave at the right angle and at the right place it falls into the simulation area
Wtf did I just watch 🤣
Tout bonnement incroyable
Out of curiosity, what does the setup with the signalscope at the beginning actually do? My non speedrunner brain gets that you need to use the geyser to get up there but I don't get why you need to be really precise about it all before then...
It's a setup for the geiser to swing you to the platform while also not getting killed by the fall
The signalscope is used to line up the exact spot the player needs to be looking and standing. This is done because getting the geyser to shoot you towards the platform is pretty precise, and landing on the railing (the only place you won't die from fall damage, because slopes make fall damage weird) is *insanely* precise. Landing on the ship is death, landing on the platform is death, it's just the railing. I'm sure pixel perfect is an exaggeration, but it sure feels that way.
@@connormccarthy2745 funny enough, tomatoanus put out a video on the run recently that explained exactly the same! Thanks for taking the time to write your reply though, much appreciated
1:05 what the fuck just happened here?
that's like the only part of the run that isn't surprising, I'm not sure what you're confused about
@@Laezar1 when I made that comment that was before I got eote
@@toothpasteV ;_; don't spoil yourself like that
@@Laezar1 well I saw that happen and realized that that was spoilers so I got off the vid, but I have eote now, and its SPOOKY
@@toothpasteV haha have fun ^^ spooky owls
Nice way to break the game for the sake of going fast
Nuts!!!!
what the
It's a wonderful day for pi
Get it? Cuz he did a 3,14
船落ちてくるのクソワロタ
glitch%
WHAT
Why did your ship appear out of thin air??
Wait is the dream world not a seperate map?
Nah thats crazy
I understand absolutely nothing.
2:20 ？？！
easy as PI
How the fuck?
Stoooop