JAPAN'S SSFT2 PLAYERS ARE THE CHEAPEST PLAYERS EVER
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- Опубліковано 29 вер 2024
- Yes... It's been a while since I've felt salty like this, but MAN Japanese Super Street Fighter II Turbo scene is a STRONG one! At Japan's @big-one2ndchannel128 arcade, I got mad salty, but I can't help, but appreciate how great the players are. Enjoy!
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Justin: "These players are just way too cheap!"
Also Justin: *plays Old Sagat*
"Rules for thee, not for me."
He does that a lot in vids, he definitely is in on the joke
My favorite is still when he took on JM Crofts with Ryu during the SF6 beta using the modern control setup.
“Oh. You’re using modern?”
“Oh yeah it’s mad fun”
he likes to play lame and really doesn't hide it.
@@CrossoverGameReviews Isn't it what is called double standard?
After you knock off his claw, if you do three full circles, and hit all three punch buttons, Sagat will pick up the claw, and show Vegalrog the true meaning of pain.
I would get kicked out of arcades playing this as a kid. The CPU was cheap as fuck and end up shaking the whole machine when losing. Ahhh, fun times when I actually felt emotions
Claw is like sentinel. He is broken tier in a game where everything is broken.
"JAPAN'S SSFT2 PLAYERS ARE THE CHEAPEST PLAYERS EVER"
Justin: "Tiger."
I got murked hard by Justin at Evo 2008, I don't think he did anything other than low tigers and DPing me whenever I got close. It sucked and hurt my feelings.
@@airthrowDBT Same, SF 15th anniversary tournament in Austin, TX. Every dropped tiger shot was an ochio to the face, though.
Would love to have another ST match with him someday!
@@alpacafursona3128 I want the runback! Lol
Justin is the king of lame so he knows it when he sees it
Obvious reasons why people loved Sagat in the Street Fighter 2 saga but fun fact: Tiger Uppercut is only OD because of its HIT PRIORITY. The invincibility window of Tiger Uppercut is much smaller than people think. The moment Sagat gets about mid-height of the Uppercut before he lifts off is where the invincibility gets lost, which is why Justin kept trading so much with the Barcelona Attacks. As for the one Izuna Drop that caught Justin mid-air during the Tiger Uppercut is an even funnier situation of Sagat's hurtbox mid-air during the move versus the grab area for Vega. All I can say is Justin should thank his stars it wasn't the Rolling Izuna, otherwise, that moment would be even saltier. 🤣🤣🤣
exactly! i would have tried using tiger kick instead
ALL FACTS NO CAP 🧢
@@ybc5449 *Tiger Knee* 🐅
Trust me back in the days in arcade here when i fight sagat i know tmy enemy knows sagat. Sagat's weakness is Quick rundowns to juggle combos while maintaining the airborne time of the opponent to spam normals and specials
@@asegracillawut lol
Justin, just wanted to say that your videos are one of the things I look forward to the most every single day, especially in days when I'm not doing super well
Me too bro. Hope you get better
It gets better.
real
Bro Justin’s videos really do it for me like that as well. ❤
@@TheBlueprintsOrlando your bob Marley stand alone cover is beautiful man, real talent.
Sf2's art style is so damn good. Ahead of it's time, and still holds up today.
Facts
I Wish they would go back to it, would look great now with more animation
@@rDanny oh yeah. In my mind, the pinnacle 2d style is Street Fighter 3.
And it looks better than SF6.
@@rDanny There was USF2, for what it's worth.
12:00 When the claw is broken Vega can unleash his most deadly technique, the secret teleport grab!
Ctfu, all these series later, and I still hate that attack 🤣😂🤣 I'm getting used to reacting to it though
Vega: Nothing personal, kid.
@@DHAYProductions Pretty much
That's Balrog
@DantGryet in the West, it's Vega. East, it's Balrog. All bc of an incident with a certain boxer here, hence the name changes. Same with Punch-Out.
Justin...you're playing Sagat. Can you really complain about other people being cheap in SF2T?
My thoughts exactly
I’m sorry T-hawk is too cheap, way more than Sagat and Claw.
O T.hawk top tier...
O sagat fair and balanced with bad DP requiring future reactions and above blocks.
I was just gonna say this. Sagat cheap af 😂
@@Imozart0341I T. Hawk is low tier. His cheapness is difficult to get started. Everyone else’s cheapness is easy.
They laughing at me!! 💀💀💀💀
You play O.Sagat
Yeah let's not give Justin a pass. 😂
This is the best comment 💀💀
the guys on the back laughing at the Vega air grab LMAO
Pouring salt in the wounds lmao
Amazing. The low quality of it almost makes it sound the the game laughing at him.
Justin: **uses O Sagat**
Also Justin: Japan is cheap
Never change, J Wong 😛
Tbf O Sagat isnt nearly as cheap as Claw lol
Yup, if you use O. Sagat , you forfeit any right to complain about any cheapness :D
How health bars work in street fighter 2 is still a mystery to me. Like the more health you have, the more damage it looks like you’re going to take. The less you have, the less it looks like you’re going to take unless the damage comes from a throw or a command grab.
Also gotta love the fact it took every iteration of CPS2 SF2 for Chun-Li to be good.
That's a pretty standard thing in FG, called the "Guts" system, the less life you have the less damage you take.
@@hiddenremi i see. Capcom seems to have tossed it out once Alpha came in. But i suppose it re-emerged in games like Killer Instinct, if i'm not mistaken.
@@LostChildOfTime As far I see, Alpha also has this system it kicks in around 50% life depleated. Most Capcom fg will have some form of it, although I have no idea what the use of this is, since other fg have it also (Guilty Gear, BB etc)
@@LostChildOfTime It's in SFV. You can see it in training mode. Do identical combos on someone that starts at full life and then start the dummy at half life. They take a bit less at the lower life amount.
PS - eff the guys system its dumb get hit get wrecked.
Yeah it's scaled, so the bar is non-linear. It's like a progress bar on old computers, the first part is FAST and the last little bit is SLOW. I noticed this way back when SF2 came out. I think it's a UI trick Capcom uses to make it seem more dramatic.
Lol all Japanese gamers had this cabinet within a block away from their home since they were infants! We can't top them bruh 😂🤣😂
I'd thought "react to the future" would be the highlight, but grabbing that DP was even better 🤣
"React to the future" Will live in my head rent free
12:03 When it's so cheap the homies can't help but laugh 🤣🤣🤣
Sounded like Chun LI and Sagat's laugh overlapping each other.
It seems legit hahahaha
Can't complain when you're playing OG Sagat. Haha.
No jokr
Im waiting for the day he will play low tier ST, like he's played low tiers in other games lately
Who's like the typical bottom 3 in ST?
@@krnxaja I'm no expert but I think it's typically T. Hawk, Cammy, Zangief, Blanka.
Claw is one of the few hard matchups for O.Sagat, so much that several O. Sagat mains have a pocket O.Ken for that MU since his HP DP deals well with walldives.
Yeah old Ken deals against claw's wall dives very well, but Claw's footsies are really a pain in the ass for Ken
These Japan Trip videos are so fantastic, especially the street fighter stuff.
Thank you for getting smoked for our entertainment!
These vids are fire. It would be awesome if did one trip every year.
Didn't Tokido play claw as well? I swear I've seen tournament footage doing the same wall jump mix up.
So, I've refined my definition of Justin's Ultimate Final Boss.
They are a grappler. He or she has a claw on one hand and a saber in the other. And does wall dives and flippy s#!+.
I will observe and refine this definition further.
Now I'm wondering if Justin ever played Ninja Gaiden 2 since you just described Genshin.
6:57 XDXDXD
The $2 from 50/50 jar XDXDXD
I laughed, too, watching you get cheesed out while playing one of the most broken characters of all time.
Sometimes in fighting games, you gotta be cheap. Right, Justin??🤣🤣 (You know you can't get a pass from me, Sagat in SSF2 is one of the cheapest fighters you can use!!)
Those were some good fights though! I laughed when that Vega did the air throw and everybody was thinking the same thing...Sagat had it coming for the all the years he had his cheap wins Lol!
The Claw player took Sanford's advice and just picked a top tier
Not only him but Justin too
Brobee having the funniest Street Fighter situations🤣😂🤣😂
Ikr?
Vega = "I fly to the sky, the end draws nigh".
That 50/50 jar makes me laugh pretty hard. Great video Justin 👍👍
First off, the jar should've cost $.50, and second, he didn't reward himself .25 for the last 50/50 he mentions.
Yanfry meme was used in a Justin Wong video. What a crazy world we had to live in, folks. 🇨🇴
12:03 Oh yes, the famous magnetic air-grab from Vega. Certified "gamer moment" xDDD
Naw homeboy. I’m oldschool. 50/50 means your reward is you get to block. None of this new school you get a free punish because you held 1 or 3 the right way 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Thank you sir
I'm surprised that Justin is surprised. I figured all the brokeness of this game has been figured out by now. But I'm just a casual player so I couldn't tell you anything about what is going on.
The fact you can't punish Balrog's wall dive is insane. The only way i could go around Balrog's players who keep spamming that move is to sit in corner and take advantage of their mistakes or jump for an air-to-air with a light or medium punch. Moral of the day, never fight a Balrog mid-screen and if you do you better pray you guess right all the time.
I was always a balrog/claw player. i got pretty good at putting the wall bounce wherever it needed to be for a backdrop. The tactics the player was using was pretty straightforward. air dominance through wall bounce and backflip anti airs. keep bouncing around and keep the pressure up to keep the oppenents guessing where you're going. the claw drop is rough because if you plant it as a cross up the opponent has to block into it instead of away from it which is very counter intuitive even once you know that.
Blanka's short up ball beats wall dive clean because it hits on frame one. I think it's the only move that truly shuts it down, but then you're stuck playing Blanka.
The walldive is a nightmare for everyone, from casuals to pros. I remember straight running a lobby for like 2 hours because I just kept dive, dive, diving. It got to the point that if I even hovered over Vega during the character select people would bounce 😂. The move and its mechanics are just so different than what you usually have to prepare for
6:55 this is why I cant land shit with FBA in SFV. Shits ass now.
So hard to feel bad for Justin as he is playing Sagat. Lol
Hi Justin. Please play X-Men:Next dimension. Really waiting for your reactions....
The way that it's SAGAT the one who teleports TO HIM when Claw does the airgrab after Sagat's dp is hilarious 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
I think its amazing that people will travel for hours for the chance to fight against you in an arcade. Justin Wong visiting an arcade in the area must feel like getting Floyd Mayweather coming to your local YMCA
The only thing worse then a Claw Just spamming wall dives, is him spamming wall dives in lag🤣🤣🤣
Nice health bar, and it's gone
Old T.Hawk is no where near top tier, he's better than regular T.Hawk and he's definitely got cheap stuff but there's much stronger in the game. Like Old Sagat. 😄
(and Claw, Chun Li, Boxer, Dhalsim, DeeJay...)
It's all fun and games until Flying Barcelona loops...
O.Sagat deserves that though
I need a "React to the Future" t-shirt.
#JustinWong -- you need to copyright that phrase & get it onna t-shirt RIGHT NOW! 😁R2TF = React to the Fyoo-Chure!
Sagat's DP sucks in every SF2 game. This attack is useless to dodge projectiles, nor against cross-ups, it can be counterattacked from the air, and even the sweeps of some characters can break it.
12:00 this is hilarious. ST, the spacing, the reads, the NEUTRAL! Thiis is REAL STREET FIGHTER!
9:16 See the problem is you're trading with Sagat, and THIS ISN'T SF4.
I'm pretty sure playing Sagat forfeits your right to complain about other players being cheap, but that Vega was hilarious.
5:19 On God, if you want to run the table on max difficulty on SSF2 you have to DP his descending hawk, to get the edge on the battle.
T-Hawk has such an insane angle on that dive for how the spacing of this game works out.
When I saw the YT notif, I immediately imagined Justin will be fighting against a Claw player. I still remember Tokido winning SSFT2 using the cheesiest tactics he could muster with Claw
The Balrog/Vega counter situation is insane. I just played SF2:WW for the first time in decades. Vega was outrageous with winning every contested situation. Coming from Third Strike it was jarring. I didn’t remember SF2 being like that.
You owe the 50/50 jar a quarter.
.... and that's why Vega has been bad in these modern games... they don't want people complaining about this again.
Is it Justin was just 1 or 10 pro fighters in 2006 and good or is it 1 billion people are great at ssf2t now?
Yeah, that's claw bullshit. Pretty typical for ST. lol
I never comment and I don’t play video games anymore but I must say the Japan content has me hooked!! Thank you Justin
Sf2 is anime
Everything is plus
Nuff said
Well at least we know SSF2T is really cheap. 😀 😀
.. I need to visit Japan one of these days to show them some of my smoke .. lol.
I remember hearing once that there is a random chance to survive a hit when at low health. It was coded that way to keep things interesting. It would explain how Ryu survived.
I've seen that happen so much, it's got to be intentional, the game is trolling you hard when your opponent has no health and they're not dead
Damage is somewhat random in ST but there's no "randomly don't die" chance that I know of. There is a chance for EVERY hit to randomly dizzy regardless of stun, I believe it's 1/256 but don't quote me.
Not random chance to survive *per se* - it's that all SF2 versions have random damage. Each attack has a variable range about a mean, and it can vary by quite a bit. Being at low health also triggers a "guts" rating that lowers damage further. So low damage guts + low damage roll = survive what would normally be a fatal attack.
In HF I've seen Dhalsim survive a Guile air throw at practically 0 health. It's super rare, but it happens.
@@ShinUltima Yeahp that's how it works. I've also seen Zangief Mash for 80ish % damage on the bite or the face grab, by a human
@@airthrowDBT i can't say I've witnessed something like that myself. Not with a human playing against another human who was actively mashing to get out.
CPU, hell yes, cheating bastards. But human vs. human, the most I can recall seeing is maybe 50%.
I love that you speak Japanese! That's so awesome!
damn they had to invoke a mercy rule. love these vids. keep em coming.
50/50 with the benefit of the defense only...
Ahh ST such a great game, so many wonderful hitboxes you think you've got em all figured out until you realize that you really don't, it's the gift that keeps on giving.
Also this moment 4:00 - reminds me of that one time I actually got a TOD combo in a real game...and that other time where I was the one to get hit by one...in a tournament match. Turns out starting a round with fireball is extremely unsafe.
Justin got humbled.
Balrog dropped him down to earth 😀
How big are those hit/hurt boxes cause those claws were hitting you with like 2 feet of space between y’all lol
The claws are supposed to be a disjoint but christ
This is why Vega hasn't been good since, nerfed the hell out of his kit
That Vega air throw tho… lol. That’s Evo worthy right there along with all the laughing.
Gotta love moves with jank hitboxes.
I hate fighting Chun Li in this game too...she's such a pain to deal with...😒
There is no honor in Super Turbo.
"React to the future." I'm definitely using that in normal conversation 🤣💀
😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
"React to the future"
put that on a shirt.
everything is a 50/50, it either happens or not
When Justin "I-Like-To-Play-Lame" Wong calls you cheap, that's person's gotta be next-level
I was in local tournament and me and my opponent ended up killing each other at the same time like 3 times
I think if you have enough double KOs eventually Player 1 wins
Back in the day, it was primarily knowledge checks that won these tourneys. All these years later, it's still true. I've never seen a Claw player like THAT, though. The players I'm used to seeing usually don't have a lot beyond corner carry to wall dive. Not saying that isn't enough to beat me, but still.
If not knowledge checks, reversal checks. If you catch wind that the opp can't reversal you meaty them to death. This is why the generous reversals in HDR were stupid, it removed a skill barrier. (Don't cry to me about how the window was expanded to be the most generous window possible in ST and no bigger, I know all about it, I don't care)
@@airthrowDBT I'm a casual player and always wondered why the competitive scene wasn't too thrilled about HDR. I know they nerfed Akuma and it still didn't matter. Taking away the score bothered me, personally. But I'm sure there are other things about the game SF2 fans hate outside what we highlighted. Definitely something I'd like to look into.
@Captain Nobody Yeah I don't want to dredge up past drama but I was not a fan of HDR in practice but I was excited when it came out.
Justin, have you played the New Legacy version of ST on Fightcade? Lots of good balance tweaks. Claw's wall dive no longer gives a hard knockdown for example.
As an ST player who hasn't tried New Legacy yet I'd love Justin's breakdown, I'd be more likely to try it.
@@airthrowDBT definitely - there's been a few New Legacy tournaments but having JW show it off would be great just so more players are aware it even exists. Maybe an un-Jankyard episode!
@@udderhippo I'd love a longplay where he introduces the changes!
4:16 Easy there, lady! HAHAHA
Would you ever be interested in playing a new legacy?
I want to see more of Justin’s SSF2T Balrog. I think you really have something there
It's not a 50/50. It's a 75/25
Vega is so cheap in sf2 !
Wong they told u go home and be a family man 😂😂😂
Really? 🤣
1:48 JW when I was a kid playing in the arcade this happened a lot. It's a 0.9% life or something. I think there is a calculated error in the programming where some attacks don't take the full percentage. Also I think the hit boxes had layers back then.
ST Claw will forever be one of the scrubbiest things ever in a fighting game. And he's got a kickflip DP with those absurd normals and the slide? Everytime people say ST is the epitome of street fighter fundamentals and "footsies" and then you see people mashing grab out of those scrambles, the claw nonsense and nonstop panic DPs it's the funniest dichotomy. This game is so jank in the most loveable way.
The truth is that ST, mainly at high level, is a kusoge that the community decided to give a pass just because of SF2's status in the fg world. There are kusoges that the community tolerates and embraces, and kusoges that the community despites and expels from "serious competition" circles.
@@carlosaugusto9821 The sad part is, I was around preSF4 and ST was always looked at as "true" street fighter. They were super elitist about it, if it wasn't ST or A2 it was trash, some were even so hardcore they would say only Hyper Fighting was true street fighter. Go to SRK and read those domination 101 articles, all these supposedly respected people saying it's this great game that requires high level execution and spacing and everything. There's aspects of that sure, but then there is totally nonsense, random, scrub aspect of it where you can't even ask yourself "what did I do wrong?" The funny thing is, the domination 101 articles were supposed to be how to get better, and the better I've gotten at fighting games the more I realize just how jank ST is and wrong those articles are.
@@saado99 Seth wrote those articles when people hadn’t really really broken ST down into its purest BS. Old school ST was footsies and tick throws and fireballs. Newschool ST is fireballs walldives, mad jumps and DP’s. Also that’s Vega and sagat being played. You wouldn’t look at a fuerte mirror and call sf4 nothin but sneaker squeaker would you? Matchups matter. ST is great in a lot of matchups and dogcrap in others.
@@dimex3362 idk, even at the time people were abusing claw wall dives and boxer tick throw BS. Even when ST is great it's basically just a super simple, dumbed down version of what newer street fighters already do.
@@dimex3362 also, about el fuerte if el fuerte was top 3 in the game I'm sure people would look at SF4 a lot differently lol. People already kinda do now when Elena came out and kinda ruined the game, even though she's definitely not as crazy and unconventional as El Fuerte.
The irony of moaning about other players being cheap while picking O.Sagat.
REACT TO THE FUTURE
this is why i say ban claw
MvC2 please✅
Back in the day at the arcade when someone Asian wanted to play against me I'd start sweating bullets lmfao they next level yo 🤣
👉More SSFIIX & Third Strike Justin! We love you!!!
Saying they are cheap and then watching you be litterally the cheapest player ive ever seen is a bit cringy
It's fantastic to see a legend, already relaxed, sharing this classic with us.
DAMN... That Vega player found a glitch. LMMFAO.
You need to do it earlier. You need to react to the future. That sounds like victory quote.
5:49 here we go
LMAO..
This might be the reason why they gave SAGAT all the trade in the world in the SF Game he would be a part of, which is STREET FIGHTER 4...😆😆😆