HOW GOOD WERE FIGHTING GAME PLAYERS BACK IN THE DAY?!
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I take a look at a very OLD tournament footage and I wanted to see how good fighting game players performed in this 1993 SF2 Tournament in Japan. This is a VERY famous tournament, by the way!
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We were really good. Pre EVO. PRE MONEY PUZZLE EXCHANGER
why walk backwards? because you could in SF2turbo with honda
also people knew how to play because of: paying with friends, playing in arcades, reading gaming magazines. there was also a phoneline in my country from Nintendo and you could ask them to reveal tricks and secrets
The golden era of SF2! I was 11 years old in 1992, and every liquor store, laundromat, 7-11, burger joint, and small market had SF2. Shout out to all the OG World Warriors!!!
Edit: Man, such great stories!!! Thank you to everyone that shared. From 1991-1994, SF2 was LIFE!
Born 81. Same age as you. We had SF2 champion edition machine at our "depanneur" thats our corner store in Canada/Quebec. We also had tournament at the arcade near my school. I remember puttin our pile of quarters in line to save our turn.
Man thise were the days. Lol
I remember those days as well. I was 11/12 in 1992. Most of my fighting games were played at gas stations and laundromats. But we did have a cool arcade in Upland California where I grew up. It was called family fun center and there was a place called bullwinkles right next to it that kinda had an arcade too but it was mostly rides and Chuck E. Cheese type games
80 here and it was so much better back then. grew up in southern cali in the valley. i used to walk for miles to play this game at shakeys or 7/11
@@chiarosuburekeni9325I went to an arcade in Upland when SF4 came out called James Games. Played SF2 at the meat market liquor store back in 92.
Donut shops too, I lived in Hollywood at the time and it was impossible not to go a day without seeing an SF2 cab somewhere lol
I’m 48 and I was there at Sunnyvale Golfland in like 91,92 when Capcom USA was still HQed in Santa Clara and rolled out SF2 Championship Edition cabinet. We had all our tokens lined up on the cabinet and there were at least 20 of us. It blew us away that we could play the bosses and have mirror matches. I ended up being the coordinator keeping track of who was next up. That ended up getting me a job at Golfland tha5 year. Real fond memories of the ‘early times’ from an old guy.
I grew up down the street from there actually near vallco you have a few years on me but I went up there to play as a kid. Went on to play mvc2 CVS 2 we always looked up to you guys 😂😂 good times up there just a bunch of ticket games now yeah I remembered capcom being in santa clara damnn bro taking me back
Golfland Milpitas was my HQ during that time period.
i just played some golf there the other day! i wanted to go to laserquest w my boy, but it actually closed....
i was 10 old enough to get the hype and was it amazing living that time till 1999 when the hype slowed down. street fighter 4 made some noise though when it came out. sf2 hyper fighting is my favourite(arcade version not snes)
Im 35 and golfland was the spot. So many good times at that arcade. Ill never forget when i got stomped by this dude using hugo on me. He beat me at least 15 straight times. I was crushed n couldnt take another loss after the 15th time😂
This was the time when Tiger Knee command was ⬇️➡️↗️➕🦶
??? I performed them same as shoryuken, and It worked lmao
It was hard to do btw.
My thumbs still hurt🤣😫
@@asherdgravez8552 Dude we had blisters. Those snes arrows were HARD! Lol
Missing one more direction I think.
The guy who won this tourney is Nakano Sagat who still plays today, mainly ST. He was a CEO at few years ago.
That's hype as hell, thanks for sharing
Here in Mexico we had them Arcade cabinets in every chemist's, convenience store, greengrocer´s... hell, there were houses who would put them outside their homes and bring them back in at 11 p.m. I remember walking to places to find new challengers. I would be walking by a place and start hearing the Dhalsim stage track and that was a game on for me. I couldn't believe it when I saw for the first time Champion Edition, I was mesmerized, being able to pick Boxer was my dream and bummer he was so nerfed compare to World Warriors, but it was fun still, a challenge. Good times to be a gamer.
Yo naci en el mero 90 y a mi me toco ya cuando SF estaba comenzando el "declive" por el 96 ya veias casi puro kof y no tanto SF... que chingon eso de que en las casas sacaran maquinas arcades!
Brazil same thing.
Cierto ! En cada esquina había una maquina de SF o KOF.. por eso los mexicanos estamos perros pa los juegos de pelea , puro abuget !
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This tournament is legit just as exciting and fun as any evo tournament today
More exciting because it's not just two combos and the rounds are over like SF6.
I remember doing a KoF 95 Tournament in an arcade once. There was about 25 entrants and one machine. It took FOREVER and they would show it on the big screen in the arcade using video cameras so people could see. It was fun though. I won a few KoF tournaments back then.
What was the winning set of characters ? I used play a lot kof95 (arcade and psx version)
@@cedrickojet3626probably clark + something. He could Grab you on wake up
We had that set up for a cvs2 tourney.
Bear in mind that this tournament was about 40 days after the release on Snes.
Oh yeh- and this was before training mode was a thing lol
and they didn't have all the info on the internet and gameplays accesible for people to study, now we even have apps where people can study games frame by frame. Its a different world.
First time I played SF2, a cousin brought it over from Blockbuster video as a rental. Dhalsim's elephants trumpeting and Guile's stage music were iconic walking into an arcade. Those were the days.
This is a really fun idea. Gotta show these youths that the OG FGC could still bring the hype.
I'm in junior high again...JWong you just brought me back to the arcade down the street..and the SF tourneys in the school library at lunch hour. It turned the bullies on the schoolyard to your friends in the arcade. We all got good with the Gamepro guides. Much love homie.
I believe that these folks learned combos watching one of those official guide VHS tapes, which used to be very common in Japan. Even Gradius had a strategy guide released on VHS
That goes extremely hard
Yeah, but you didnt mention magazines (or written guides in general), that are naturally much more common and accessible even.
@@carlosaugusto9821 ikr! Most of these tapes were released alongside magazines as a gift. I remember when a brazilian magazine released an issue with the Fatal Fury movie as a gift
There was tons of tech sharing in the arcade as well. Guarantee all of these kids were playing there regularly.
Arcades. You wouldn’t believe the amount of people who spent every waking moment in arcades back in the early 90s.
the commentary is absolutely wild. sure I can't understand it but they're clearly so detailed about it, you'd think it was over a modern game. I hope a lot of these guys are still in it.
Yeah, SF2 and Virtua Fighter 1 and 2 tournaments, were insane and super hardcore back then. Those days were the golden age, of both Street Fighter and Virtua Fighter.👍😄
I was VF back then and it was indeed super hardcore. Without the internet you had no way to know more than you were exposed to at your arcade or arcades. I went to a tournament in NYC and got Neo'd so hard, I didn't even conceptually know what my opponent was doing. I was a decent player but I was playing the game. He was playing the code of the game. There was a lot of mystery in games back then. It ruled.
Update! @GuntanksinSpace remembered the name of the series and I was able to find it on UA-cam again! There is also a Garou 3 video of a similar nature by the same production company on this channel. ua-cam.com/video/YvSko09UQFQ/v-deo.htmlsi=w1cAVbNzCOD2ribt
More of this please! There’s a godlike tape of an early KOF (95 or 96) tournament that happened in a mall and most of the contestants cosplayed. I wish I could find it again.
I used to kick ass in KOF with Heidern, Clark and Ralf👊🏼👊🏼
Dude you gotta find that video
It was 95, Saikyo Oza Sodatsu Hen. I remember seeing it before too.
@@GuntanksInSpace Well done! You did remember it! And I was able to hunt it down again! ua-cam.com/video/YvSko09UQFQ/v-deo.htmlsi=w1cAVbNzCOD2ribt
Tiger knee past a fireball mixed with the upper cuts, plus the low tiger (fireball whatever) made Sagat god like in this game. My arcade had competition this tough.
We would play like this on the SNES version as well, it was easier to pull off moves and combos with the controller over the arcade stick.
Yes, he was that same Nakano. And also won another SF2 tourney around 2019 I believe.
The winner of this tournament would go on to win Super Turbo at EVO 2019. Full circle.
Sounds like a fairytale ending much respect 😎🙏
that venue looks like the Ryogoku Kokugikan, where all the grand sumo tournaments are held. what a cool venue for a tournament! can't be 100% sure from the footage, but it sure looks like it. (i watch a lot of sumo.)
The name boards at the beginning were definitely Ryogoku
I recognize it because New Japan Pro Wrestling also do shows there. Not big into sumo but love NJPW.
One of the conditions for hosting it there was they weren't allowed to use Honda in the promo art because they thought the kabuki facepaint was disrespectful or something.
these OG boys doing it on super famicom with a d-pad!
Yes looks like it is SF2 CE. Me and my nephews would have matches like. Ken was my best guy usually and my one nephew was amazing with E.Honda. I liked Guile but he was difficult to use for me, he got nerfed I think in the CE version, but if you could get someone cornered with Guile with quick punches and charging a flash kick at the same time, you could win.
@@buckjones4901 It's Street Fighter 2 Turbo.
It was before "stick" scene cred on social media.
I am a OLD man I started playing Street Fighter in 1987 /88 and I’m still playing now at 62 and I’m a ok Kimberly player
I wish I can have your energy when I am at your age.
Now that's a real og. I won't take anyone else seriously calling themselves an og.
Do you still play with retro pie/ arch or mame?
That is super cool ! Keep on gaming 👊
@@cheeks_of_the_boreal_valley thanks 🙏 I will continue to play and I’m working hard to make my Kimberly a master, it’s tough, getting use to drive rush tactics and trying to figure out frame rates but I’m slowly getting better at it.
I been playing tournaments since 1990...... EGM was the go-to magazine to find out about combos. The rest was up to you!
No lies about EGM (Electronic Gaming Monthly) being the resource.
yep, SushiX knew all of the combos.
Street Fighter 2 was released in 1991. In what kind of tournaments did you participate in 1990?
After EGM, the next magazine to grab was GamePro
@@stardustanimation7501 PREACH
I feel like there's just different skill sets now: adaptation was more important 'back then' because there was so much you hadnt seen and you never knew what your competitor was capable of until you played them.
I think now more studying, frame data , match footage etc . . every top player can be scouted and gameplanned. So much work involved.
Execution was much harder then. You're watching 1 frame links in this video being done in the clutch.
Those tight links have been completely removed in modern Street Fighter outside of very specific situations. No B&B combos have 1 frame links.
Facts! Very well said
if I'm not mistaken this was around the same time that Tomo Ohira and Mike Watson were running things in the U.S.
It is.
"How good were fighting game players back in the day?"
I was there. We had godlike footsies because that's all there was and complained about the kids on our lawn when long combos became a thing.
Accurate. To this day I still play grapplers in any game that isn't SamSho because I've just never cared to get on the extended combo train.
"that's all there was" bro sf2 is one of the most degenerate games ever made. youre not going to tell me boxer throw loops or claw loops were honest.
@@BananaHace well no one crying on this era cause of those loops unlike these days 😂😂
@@BananaHace they were, you had to get in on the cheap fireball zoning piece of monkey trash players and their safe on block invincible reversals/
@@adriankheyon Well no shit sf2 and maybe some neo-geo fighting games was all that was relevant back in those days, ofc there wouldn't be much to bitch about, compared to now where fighting games actually have to be properly designed and tested rather than simply dropping the buggiest mess in world at full price and calling it a day.
I lived in Japan @ this time, and I've been telling people for decades that they had tournaments like this everywhere there. Even for a time, on-base, there were small tournaments every single weekend until Super Street Fighter 2 came out
12:24 Justin's face after the Daigo parry.
It's an amazing coincidence that this was also from a Chun Li defeated by Ken.
I watch these vids for nostalgia. It is so much the 90s. Glad you give them attention.
This brings back so many good memories. My absolute favorite non arcade version of SF and I've been in a few tournaments back in the day as well. Yes, they were that good back then, too.
Bro, some of those players were like the AI on very hard with those input reads. 😂
Do you remember the movie in the early 90’s called the wizard? I used to watch that movie all the time, it was about a big Nintendo tournament in Los Angeles.
And there was no training mode, scarce learning means, and not big money prize. Maybe that's why those young guys could be seen as so powerful as today's top class adult players. In the early 90s there was no strong motivation source to master the gameplay to the point they are showing, but they were taking it very seriously.
I love the power glove.
It's so bad.
better than the jokers winning tournaments these days. ez cheap characters like blank a
@@NightmareSnake bro, that was one of the best lines in cinema history 😂
no kidding 17:31 that ryu had dark souls player reflexes and blocked it
dang its crazy to see how some things are different and how somethings stayed the same in Street Fighter 2.
People don't realize how tough we had it back then, at the same time how fun it was. We basically had to go to the arcades to figure out traps, practice, etc. We had no online play, we had no frame data to go off of. It was we had to throw 50 cents into the arcade and get better.
And deal with random damage and random stun values, and cheating CPU, etc
I remember throwing money into player 2 so I could practice the special moves lol.
These Sagats are WILD!
This is my all-time favorite video you done bro keep it up Jay I'm really happy that you're showing off this amazing video especially because this tournament is the foundation to the original timeline of tournaments A lot of people don't remember that which is a shame but thank you for sharing this amazing video bro keep up the great work Jay
Most of these methods and frame breakdowns, what beats what used to all be in the magazines. EGM had maybe 7 or 8 REALLY good Street Fighter mechanics guides. Everything you guys do today, they did back in the day also. There were so many cool combos you could do that I don't ever really see anyone do today in these games.
Man, those kids were solid. Never seen anyone play like that on the SNES! Curious how many names are still recognizable today.
This is one of your best videos yet man, loved seeing this blast from the past!
Love the retro review and classic footage. You really ought to do more of this content. I would love to see a deep dive old school Alex Valle VS Jesse Howard or ChoiBoi VS Truelson. The OG's don't get enough time in the light for the foundation they laid.
maybe it's time for you and a guest to play some of the SNES/SFC versions on stream.
The fact that they were using SNES pads. The whole time I was watching this video I felt their struggle, yet I am sure they would smoke me. Guys were OP.
Excellent upload thanks Justin! Respect to OG'S always...
omg that was one wild ride! thanks for showing us Justin! I love it to be back in fighting games....even if i suck XD. But holy.....i cant remember sf2 was that fast O__O
now that I'm actually learning the ins and outs, to see all this tech is amazing
Using Tiger Knee thru a fireball is pretty good. But the one I like is doing a yoga fire to pass thru Ryu's fireball. But of course it has to be a fierce fireball or else it wont work.
Watching old footage like this really makes me appreciate how we still have a relatively strong FGC with decent games out today. In a perfect world fighting games hold the big throne instead of FPS or MOBA stuff but I'll take what we have been getting.
As an adult I think it's amazing that you find this 1990's era tournament interesting 🤔. Yes there were competitions in the early days. I was in my prime being the youngest competitors 4 yrs old
Bro I fucking LOVE that you made this video. This is so classic. Seeing the same cast, and the same sweaty players we have today, this is amazing. THanks!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I"m still playing, have a Ken master rank in SF6 and i'm an original SF1 player bro!!
We WERE good back in 1993 lol. Street Fighter, Mortal Kombat, AND Tekken. We were GODS. My friends and I were in the arcade everyday after school, learning street fighter. Then tested our skills on weekends after dark at the fun fair arcade. BUT its 2024 and Im too used to a controller, cant use a joystick anymore, the torch is now in the hands of Justin and his friends. Its great watching you all fight! ;)
Growing up in NYC during the rise of SF2, MK, NBA Jam etc. was a great time. I was 11/12 when SF2 dropped on Super Nintendo and that helped blow it up around here more. Every Deli in NYC for the most part, bowling ally, laudrymat, arcade, comic book shop had a SF2 arcade. Fun times being that age
I remember playing in a UMK3 tournament in 1997. That's the earliest I can remember a fighting game tournament event being held.
Have you thought of making another video in this same line, about the classic A3 Daigo vs Valle matches? Or the old A2-A3 american tournaments? I dont remember those videos anymore, hopefully the quality is minimally usable for the channel video standards and streaming standards.
I saw that video about a month ago, I think there's World Warriors tournament as well, same style. haha, I started playing for real on the SNES, I had all the (coins) in the world and learned all the characters through there.
Darn cool vid! Makes me harken back to my high school days playing Hyper Fighting at the local billiards hall.
When you mentioned tournaments in the US, I do recall GamePro magazine giving details of a Hyper Fighting tournament. Can't remember the names (hell, one of them may have been Alex Valle), but I recall the final two competitors using Guile and Vega (Claw.)
This same Nakano Sagat won the turbo side tournament at Evo2019 and also Evo japan 2020. There were a few articles in Japan on it when it happened.
Wow, This was amazing. I don't think Americans had tournaments of this magnitude back then, as far as I can remember. I was a teen back then as well and fighting games were huge but video games in general were looked down upon as a kids toy and very niche compared to how it is today.
Don't know about you but I was in the arcades, so was everybody that was a badass, did u get invited?
Back in the late 1990's I remember watching a Street Fighter VHS video from one of those asian countries. It was crazy. The stuff they were showing was insane. Moves and counters that I didn't even think was possible.
That was awesome. More of this please!
This video plus your commentary/ analysis be godlike. Hope you do more of it maybe for other games like co-op cup third strike 🙏
Those old days tournaments are always fun to watch, the magic of those will stay there forever.
I love footage from this era of fighting games!
great video Justin. Keep up the great work.
sick video justin i love this retro stuff man, just such a different vibe and niche back in the day. i miss that :)
There was local mall tournaments sponsored by EB (electronic boutique) video game stores. They gave away SNES controllers to the winner. I won the Ascii turbo pad =) This was in Ohio.
the most amazing thing is, they did all that with such small controller
Brings back memories! Great video, thanks for this.
love ur content Justin, keep it up!
I can believe there was tournaments in 1993 and 1994 back to back actually. 🤣
From 1991-1994 SF2 was LIFE!!! 😆
@@TheMicahwitz any blockbusters video game tournaments?
Best to ever do it.. under the brightest LED lights ...Hadouken!! 💪🏽
My thumbs got ptsd after watching that mashout! 😂 That snes D-pad shredded my thumb back in the day 😫
Love that you are giving love to the classic players!!!❤
Really amazing content, thanks JWong😘❤️🇨🇦
This video literally made my day. Thanks for this Justin!! I was 18 when his game came out….how is that possible?!?
How good were they? Disgustingly good, like they always have been. God help you if you bump into one of them in the arcade.
Hey man, could you do these pretty regularly? I love your commentary on older footage and mixing modern POV with OG tech! Would be cool to see stuff like SBO footage, Chinatown vids, FFA vids in SoCal, etc. Might be fun for you to scavenger hunt stuff like that too!
Also I hope you read this comment: I never thought I'd amount to anything in FGC until the day I took a set from you in SF4:AE with my Dan and your Dictator at Round 1 in Puente Hills. You tried to cross-up psycho and I caught you with U1. The crowd boo'd thinking I mashed, but you did it again and I did it again. Crowd went nuts. That was the day you inspired me to really try, and I've made a lot of amazing friends and memories because of that even up to now. Wanted you to know you positively changed my life man! :]
I love stuff like this! Watching old tourneys is very fun
How have we regressed going forward in 2024. The level here is insane!
If I would say, a lot of Prime Arcade Players back in the days would still cook a lot of players of today. They're just built differently and very very competitive. Just recently, I played one in a mall for nostalgia and there were young-lings having matches talking about being great that they visit other arcades to showcase their gaming skills. My competitive nature flared and I made them line up in a losing streak while I keep accumulating wins. I even heard one of them say "Holy sh*t, this guy is probably one of those legends."
Hilariously, I wasn't even one of the greatest in my circle back in the days and could probably say I only have 10%~20% of the skills and reaction time of my fellows.
That was a really good one! Keep it up
I remember having sf2 tournament in my highschool about 30 years ago lol those were good times
This reminds me of that one time I entered a SFII tournament at a McDonald's in Puerto Rico with exactly this game. My Sister, my cousin and my self joined forces. We even brought our own controllers (Cured). However, I end up battling my own cousin in the finals and beat him with Guile, he was a Ryu player. Then the person he defeated, won against me, with Ryu. I won second place and my sister 3rd with Guile. Sadly, I think my cousin could've won first place due to him being able to defeat the one who end up defeating me and winning the 1rst place.
Ahhh the memories!!!
The good times with Japan arcades dominating was the good times
This is beautiful to watch. I thought we had pretty good game in Texas until I walked into a Shinjuku arcade in the late 90's and was blown away by what they were doing.
Man, the 90s was such a golden age for gaming, best time to be a kid back then, no bullshit social media, or online multiplayer, you would gather with your siblings, or friends and kick eachother's ass3s
Let's see, in 93' I was only 5. See's the 1:27 mark, Oh damn they got down LIKE THAT in 93'? That guy would beat my ass in SF 2 today.
We must learn from these old gods
Your commentary is funny and extremely insightful! Keep it up good buddy
This was amazing. More!!!
1992... I was 8. I remember my first ever win in SFII was at a Buffalo Wild Wings at The Strip (Short Vine) in Cincinnati, OH. Across the street from there, we had a legendary multi level arcade called Jupiter. Seriously, Gen Z, we had phuck'n fun during the 90s.
I was there. It was legit feast or famine...famine being hold the L while you wait in line for another 25 mins to play.
That was sick, more old school fighting game tournaments plz
I remember when Street Fighter 2 came to the arcade at the bowling alley near me. There would be a big ass crowd around the machine , like 100 people crowding around trying to watch the 2 people playing. Other people would line their quaters on the machine screen to say 'You got next" Winner stayed, loser walked. It was like a never ending tournament anytime the place was open. But it sucked as a beginner because you never got to practice by yourself. Then Mortal Kombat came out and the scene really exploded.
Man I was born in '94 and seeing this is amazing. Seeing these bosses go at it in this game at that time, and seeing what we have now is awesome. 👏🏾
Welcome to your 30's.
@@braillynn4903 Aye thank you! Won't be 30 until Sept but lemme say, I still feel good! Learned a lot in my 20s. 🫡
Justin bro, is C.Wong your little brother? this year is evo 37 20 anniversary, looking forward to it! btw, Lets' Goooo Jussstttinnnn!!!!
In the title screen, if you press left or right you can change the game speed. This also works in the snes version of Super SF2
Back in the UK we had a show called Games Master. They had these types of tournaments every week and most of the gamers were talented.
1993?! The year I was born!
I was only 3 years old.
I was in 2nd grade
7
The fighting game revolution and the arcade comeback it caused was an incredible time to grow up.
Great video, I was 13 at the time. Street fighter was huge
My very first proper professional-level tourney was a Killer Instinct (SNES) championship held in 1998. I was playing fighting games since 1994, but began training and taking it seriously, fully immersing myself in it, only starting from 1996 (with original MVS KoF '96 being the first fighting game title which made me completely rethink/redo my approach on how to treat fighting games, as I was merely only brainlessly mashing and spamming random stuff before that). That KI championship gathered more than 1400 people (about 1600 in total, if I recall correctly) from all around the country and also neighboring lands/states.
It (the event) was ongoing for roughly 6 days, double elimination. I was maining Spinal, Combo, and Riptor at the time, and managed to get through to 1/16-th. That was the point at which I was "reborn" as a professional tourney-level fighter, listing fighting game genre as my de facto most favorite and primary type of video games, the thing I do every single day, anywhere and anytime, regardless of platform, title/series, controller type/kind/quality, or anything else, really. I never became "hardcore fan" of SF franchise in particular, though. I don't hate it, but it was never my main discipline of expertise (I labbed and beat the most ass in PSOne version of Zero/Alpha 3, PSOne's EX 2, and PS 2's 3-rd Strike, however). I was always more of an *SNK* person, since that's what I've started with.