I...really have to apologize to Hawke, cause even if he had the same "personality wheel" he was by FAR more expressive and interesting than whatever Veilguard's got going on.
I really miss funny hawk. The humor in that game was something else. I feel like when i choose the humor wheel on valeguard i sounds like what would be the normal affirmative answer
At least Hawke could kill Anders. Imagine this scene in Veilguard. Wait. In Veilguard Anders wouldn't have blown the church. He'd confess to Hawke, Hawke would have talk to him like the dude was a 12 years old, gave him lolipop and accompany him to the session of group therapy where they would have learned importance of pronouncing. All would live hapilly ever after; mages, Demons and Templars would hold hands and sing Koombyah. And BioWere would be done and over with forever. Omg the times we live in...
And we're being held hostage as we're forced to listen to them... By the way did you know that Bellara likes to ramble? She likes to ramble so much that she mentions it three times in a row about how much she rambles... BOY, WHAT AN INTERESTING AND DEEP CHARACTER.
@@kinomanssky Still developed by pink haired deviants, the only difference is in the case of bg3 they were free to write all their diss gusting fetishes into the game and here they were not.
@@kinomanssky Still developed by pink haired deviants, the only difference is in the case of bg3 they were free to write all their disgusting feta cheeses into the game and here they were not.
@@bruvkek4629 Still developed by pink haired deviants, the only difference is in the case of bg3 they were free to write all their weirdo feta cheeses into the game and here they were not.
@@AfroAtze once I made a female character just to make Allister fall inlove and then I ruined his life by going to the Elf assassin guy and then made him marry Logains daughter hahaha🤣
To be honest, I don't find any of the Origins dialog in this video funny either. The only difference is that it's not cringe, but I'm watching it without any reaction. I've never played a single BioWare game. I've never felt any attraction towards any of them. It used to be such a beloved studio, but I never understood why. I want to try the Mass Effect remaster one day, but I'm not optimistic.
This. The dialogue is so forced and the VA clearly have no range or care. I swear they were held hostage in the studio and told to read the lines or else they’d never see their loved ones ever again
And Isabella roasts you mercilessly. Bioware has always had a lot of camp, but it was balanced by a sense of sincerity. This is *only* Millennial Twitter snark. It’s the worst game I think I’ve ever seen relative to budget and tools.
@@shyviking it's because of more linear story and recycled maps. I also had a problem with that but great characters and voice acting made me appreciate this game
''Maybe I should take a nap'' ''I like a good nap'' ''Right a good nap fixes everything'' It's like watching dora the explorer or peppa pig, why not just have a narrator being like ''They both agreed that naps were nice''
Yeah I really wanted a Persona 3 dialogue option, “I don’t care.” for 90% of this crap. I remember when we used to be able to punch Solas, kill Leliana, and betray or piss off everyone in the party. Now, if I want to play, I am forced to agree with and comply with all the DEI BS that I would never comply with IRL. If I can’t chose to be an asshole, then there really isn’t choices.
@@alexsmith6482 I was afraid that it will be the case because of the gameplay that they showed us. There Rook was shadow dragon but that added one line "City is big i dont know all of it" and scout did her job like she would do with every other background and later we have "choice" if we want to talk or stop solas and only difference is approval because Varrick goes to talk no matter what. Even in their clip (and they could chose any) they showed us nah, choices are boring here is God of War story and mechanics that are pretending to be Dragon Age
It's a common crutch for bad writers to get quippy and sarcastic because actual sincerity runs the risk of the audience rejecting something you've put your heart and soul into. But if the characters aren't invested in what's happening, why should the audience?
@@Agent789_0 The quipy banter and colorfull graphics were funny and resfreshing back in 2010 when movies and videogames were all brown/grey and serious. Marvel even made Thor more sci-fi to match its universe "realistic" tone. Now it's the polar opposite, but worse...
Scaled up to avengers end game, then it hit terminal mass, and no movie or show could be taken serious because it was just jokes appealing to the lowest denominator.
It's so badly done it ain't humour. Can make almost anything work if the necessary writing quality is there. And understand balance, execution. Vileguard is 1/10 writing.
@@adeptdamage3669 it was especially hilarious when you play as human and have a relationship with Morrigan, she'll basically torture Alistair nonstop for successfully "stealing" his bro (you).
This is like watching a sitcom where you know the jokes are sterilized and are written by someone who thought this was funny in their head along with a laugh track in the background.
@@viola6204The Nanny, Brooklyn 99 Are great to me, I think 99's reviews Are mixed but to me it wasnt anything Bad considering it's basically Modern times sitcom.
Actually, the director around this new mass effect said it's being on a different team, and they are going to set the vibe and some veterans writers are going to return.
@deathandrebirth-y8x I played the og trilogy yes. The thing with the crucible, that will depend of your playthough, and I know the fact everyone around the original trilogy is dead around andromeda, but we don't know what happened to them. Right now we have a masked member from N7, a secret message liara with the geth, finding something unbelievable that will make council pissed off, and possibility set 5 years later after the events of the third game [if you look at secret message video, there's is a date when got posted.]
@@Anwell100 We have all this new technology to remake wonderful games of the past... but now we also have regards and puritans at the wheel. Feels bad, man.
Knowing how much snowflakes the writers and developers at biowere are right now and how much they tried to whitewash Veilguard's world, I reckon the current biowere won't touch Origins because they think it's too "Problematic" since the game deals with dark and realistic subject matter like segregation, racism, actual bigotry ETC...
The difference between games that address political subjects like Cyberpunk, DA Origins, Disco Elysium and both Red Dead games is that the writers of these games ask questions and trust the players to come with their own answers and conclusions while on the other hand the Veilguard writers are just telling the players what to think and it feels more like propaganda than art. I honestly hope the writers of this game get blacklisted from the entertainment industry but knowing the industry they'll probably end up being "journalists" at IGN or Kotaku.
You've got it the other way around. One of the troons working on this game was a urnalist from Kotaku. The one who tried cancelling Nintendo because he thought he heard the word r3-t4rt3d in the smash bros persona 5 music. Turned out it was the word "retort." The pipeline goes from activist urnalist to game "writer." Going back to urnalist would be a downgrade for them. Also the director was a troon as well, so he can only fail upwards in modern times.
@zenna5062 make no mistake corporations don't care about troons or their ideas. They care only about profit. If this fails and it most likely will, then the investors will stop letting these idiots use games as a tool to spread their ideologies.
@@jasperzanovich2504 You know who? Socially awkard introverts when they go to a party and need to speak to a bunch of people who they don't know and have no idea what to say to them, so they just repeat what has been said by adding some cringy stuff in front of it.
Wow! That Asian elf is so quirky! Hashtag relatable, am I right?🤣 These writers grew up on early 2000s Disney Channel shows, Family Guy and Marvel. Naturally they suck ass. They think that quips and meta humor are peak writing. And if you're unaware what early 2000s Disney Channel shows were like, they usually went something like this: "High five! Anyone? Oh, you're going to leave me hanging, huh? This is awkward... *audience laugh track*"
It's 100% another badly done self insert. Like "the thing". Writing is atrocious. Have to spell out everything for you. Instead of getting to know the character naturally,and having depth. And tell you about "ramblers". Also it's just because she is too genius. Absolute caricatures.
In the next game: A serious discussion is taking place, everyone worried and their voices grave. Suddenly, there is a loud CRUNCH in the background. Everyone stops talking and turns around to see the source of the noise. The comic relief character is sitting, eating some snacks. He/she looks up with a confused look on his/her face and just blurts out "What?" --The writer dies laughing.--
@@Tara-lz3ujWhat!? 😂😂 No they weren't. Thor 1 and Thor 2, Iron Man 2 and 3, Blade 3, all the X-Men Movies, both Hulk movies and the second avengers movie all sucked 😂 I swear people simp over marvel stuff way too much. There's a handful of ok marvel films and like 2 actually good ones (iron man and blade).
Bann Teagan of Rainesfere to Queen Anora, daughter of Loghain Mac Tir you know a game impressed you if you still know the occasion when the line was delivered and it was decades ago Da:O was best
As an aspiring writer myself, I used to think I just sucked at writing humor. This game and its writers have fully convinced me that writing no humor at all is infinitely better than whatever hell they were trying here. For that, I thank them.
@@deathandrebirth-y8x In fairness, for many years games in general didn't sell that many copies all things considered. That same year Origins came out, CoD Modern Warfare 2, generally considered a contender for the best Call of Duty game, and being a game that was in an already insanely popular series that appealed to a broad audience, only sold about 12 mil copies. It is niche comparatively for sure, but it was still pretty hefty sales for the time period. While the number of sales for games in more recent years is often kept a lot more vague by companies, the number of people buying games in general is significantly higher now than it was a decade ago. Hogwarts Legacy for example, which came out last year, is estimated to have sold about 24 million copies, which is more than Wii Sports sold during its release year, (coincidentally the same year as DA:O), which sold about 20mil that year, and the Wii was considered an un-precedented worldwide phenomenon for how many people were buying it. Numbers without context only tell half the story, and it's much easier for even bad games to hit high numbers now than well received games could hit 10+ years ago.
Man, the fall of bioware needs to be studied. From amazing classics lile KOTOR, Dragon Age, Jade Empire, Mass Effect! To s**t like Andromeda, and now this? Heartbreaking 😢
That's what happens when EA buys a studio, forces them to rush games to cash in on trends, compromises quality and writing, letting most of the original talent leave and hiring incompetent activists in their place. Bioware is now a skinned face of what it once was, worn by something sick, twisted and entirely different underneath it.
It's not hard to understand: Almost nobody at Bioware today was there when they were pumping out golden age classics. It's an entirely different studio beneath the name.
Idk why, but the dialogue in the new one reads like it was written by a 30-something white woman who spends a lot of time on reddit. You know, the kind of person who says "le epic meme" and "pet the doggo".
You know what, maybe I should apply. I've never written anything longer than a few pages, but seeing how low the bar is set currently... maybe I have a chance.
Same way that Dictators and Cult leaders hire their Generals, Advisors and Inner circle: Zeal and Loyalty to the cause > any actual degree of competence.
I'm currently replaying Origins, and man, Alistair has me constantly smiling, and even when one of his jokes don't land, they're the kind of bad you still laugh at for being so horrible instead of cringe. Alistair has charm. His bad jokes make him MORE charming.
What I find hilarious is the Asian and Black elves. Skin color is not just a paint job where you go to the shop and magically become something else. Melanin is directly correlated with the position the equator and the necessity to deal with heat. The elves have, randomly, a multicultural society despite there not being any evidence of this just to be exactly like California. If there were any elves like this, they would have eventually bred to a more neutral and consistent 'color' anyways. But who cares about reality, we need to depict diversity without any reason.
Skin color doesn't dictate race/breed. It's your ancient ancestral mix. G25 PCA visualizes this reality. We will be forced to redefine race in order to describe this reality. It turns out we're all special and we can't replace each other like cogs in a machine. Turns out there's a lot of different breeds and sub-breeds of people. The Asian continent alone has quite a few. It's not the white race, it's the European race, and there's sub-races too. And the Levantines (Lebanese, Israelis, some Palestinians) are a (1st) cousin race to the European people. They both generally share around 50% Neolithic Anatolian farmer ancestry. Caucasus people are also a (1st) cousin race) to Europeans. So a brown Lebanese of a Christian background is genetically closer to a pale Englishman than a brown indian.
The banter in the original was really funny even in the medium of videogames which usually isn't. Like Morrigan comparing Alistair to the dog all the time.
I 'll assume most of you have DAO, but I' ll say this just in case. Grab the game from gog, download and store the files. Now, even if they pull this masterpiece from the store it 'll remain in your library and your backed up drive or w/e. cheers and rip bioware
The writing in DA Origins was perfection man. The banter between Alistair and Morrigan felt incredibly natural throughout the game....These characters had chemistry. How I miss those days.
It is so obvious from the moment you start playing this game that no attention to detail or care has been put into character interaction. They all converse with a modern parlance with no authenticity of a fantasy setting. It is completely immersion breaking when compared to other fantasy rpgs. This is for what Bioware describe as "the modern audience".
Holy fucking hell. If you showed me just that clip from 1:03, even with a hundred guesses I'd never have pegged it as a Dragon Age game. The writing evokes the kind of TV shows my friend's 8-year-old watches. Blows my mind that grown adults at Bioware actually thought other adults would like this kind of writing in a Dragon Age game. It'd be hilarious if it wasn't so pathetically sad.
I still remember the cinematic of the Battle at ostagar how heartbreaking the lorgain betrayal was even dragon age 2 had that incredible moment of tragedy with hawks mom, i cant even picture dragon age shitguard doing anything close to that and even if they tried to would ruin it with superficial marvel humor
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My favourite one is where you recruit the dog and Morrigan says that Alistair is still the dumbest one in the party
Alistair is adorable but also so fun to bully 😂
"Swooping is bad"
you just know
@@Mr-dead Can't believe I still remember that line, even though I have no context for it anymore.
@@Au_Ra804 He wasn’t exactly a victim either; sometimes he knew how to press where it hurt the most, especially when it came to Morrigan.🙃
I...really have to apologize to Hawke, cause even if he had the same "personality wheel" he was by FAR more expressive and interesting than whatever Veilguard's got going on.
Hawke's sarcastic replies were at the very least funnier than this... Thing.
DAII may as well be King Lear or Hamlet compared to what's on offer in Veilguard.
I really miss funny hawk. The humor in that game was something else. I feel like when i choose the humor wheel on valeguard i sounds like what would be the normal affirmative answer
Sarcastic Hawke was best Hawke.
At least Hawke could kill Anders. Imagine this scene in Veilguard. Wait. In Veilguard Anders wouldn't have blown the church. He'd confess to Hawke, Hawke would have talk to him like the dude was a 12 years old, gave him lolipop and accompany him to the session of group therapy where they would have learned importance of pronouncing. All would live hapilly ever after; mages, Demons and Templars would hold hands and sing Koombyah. And BioWere would be done and over with forever. Omg the times we live in...
Bruh, these characters are talking like they’re being held hostage, just awkward small talk like they’re late for the bus or something 🤣
More like they are in preschool. Not grown adults. " I wanna take a nap" And the delivery doesnt help.
And we're being held hostage as we're forced to listen to them...
By the way did you know that Bellara likes to ramble? She likes to ramble so much that she mentions it three times in a row about how much she rambles... BOY, WHAT AN INTERESTING AND DEEP CHARACTER.
Writer with a gun: "Now say this and make quirky voice. QUIRKIER! You wanna your brain spilled on floor BTCH!"
HR approved dialogues!
IGN: 9/10
"Hey Guys, My Name Is Rook And You're Watching Disney Channel" Ahh Game 🤣🤣🤣
You need to sacrifice the ... the ... the rook!!!
Lmao Disney Channel had better writing and dialogue than this steaming pile of garbage 😂
@@radiantnakashimawell old Disney lol
Seriously why does the background sounds make it sound like they are in some fairy tail?
And the she-goblins in BG3 are better looking then the elfs on this game.
I really miss when games weren't afraid to have an edge.
3 words = Baldurs Gate 3
Pathfinder wrath of the righteous has funny dialogue too. Honestly this game is an exception.
@@kinomanssky Still developed by pink haired deviants, the only difference is in the case of bg3 they were free to write all their diss gusting fetishes into the game and here they were not.
@@kinomanssky Still developed by pink haired deviants, the only difference is in the case of bg3 they were free to write all their disgusting feta cheeses into the game and here they were not.
@@bruvkek4629 Still developed by pink haired deviants, the only difference is in the case of bg3 they were free to write all their weirdo feta cheeses into the game and here they were not.
I really enjoyed Alistair as a companion, dude was a real bro.
And I enjoyed bullying and breaking him. Both variants were possible and had their consequences. Great game.
@@AfroAtze once I made a female character just to make Allister fall inlove and then I ruined his life by going to the Elf assassin guy and then made him marry Logains daughter hahaha🤣
@@TheGrimjackfromCPT ooooh you are so cruel for that XD
Him, Garrus and Varric are the broest of bros. RIP Bioware of yore.....
Your just saying that because he was funny, relatable and had a great character arc.
That nauseating, safe ass, sanitized Disney dialogue.
Veilguard characters fell out of the cringe tree and snapped every branch on the way down.
They must have kept their mouth open all the while, they absorbed so much cringe they became the cringe.
--snapped-- hit*
Then, they climbed back up for another round
To be honest, I don't find any of the Origins dialog in this video funny either. The only difference is that it's not cringe, but I'm watching it without any reaction.
I've never played a single BioWare game. I've never felt any attraction towards any of them. It used to be such a beloved studio, but I never understood why. I want to try the Mass Effect remaster one day, but I'm not optimistic.
This. The dialogue is so forced and the VA clearly have no range or care. I swear they were held hostage in the studio and told to read the lines or else they’d never see their loved ones ever again
People hate on DA2 but Hawke's (and Varric's) sarcasm is LIGHTYEARS ahead of whatever tf Veilguard's """humor""" is
And Isabella roasts you mercilessly. Bioware has always had a lot of camp, but it was balanced by a sense of sincerity. This is *only* Millennial Twitter snark. It’s the worst game I think I’ve ever seen relative to budget and tools.
No kidding... Dragon Age 2 is even better than this in all other regards too.
TBH, never understood the DA2 hate.
Story-and dialogue-wise actually well done.
@@shyviking same
@@shyviking it's because of more linear story and recycled maps. I also had a problem with that but great characters and voice acting made me appreciate this game
"Personally? I always endorse napping" peak dark fantasy 💀
Well the dragons are so lovable that taking naps and being cozy are no problem at all, barely an inconvenience.
*deep dark fantasy
@@victorb5wow wow wow... wow
@@victorb5 Oh, really???
at least it's dark , when you close your eyes , when you are napping , i guess !!!!
''Maybe I should take a nap''
''I like a good nap''
''Right a good nap fixes everything''
It's like watching dora the explorer or peppa pig, why not just have a narrator being like ''They both agreed that naps were nice''
Exactly how I felt. Feels like a freaking cartoon... a game that should be a DARK FANTASY...
Lol
No but that would've actually made it funny
I won't have you blaspheming Dora or Peppa by comparing it to this drek, disney channel shows are much closer in "quality"
@@ThePsycho211 even cartoons have better writing than this... Gumball, Spongebob S1-S3, South Park
There is literally no choice but to agree with the script in this game LMAO
Them selling the game:
"If you thought we didn't give a shit about your previous choices *before* , just wait until you play *this* game!"
>Game released where you can make your own choices and paths
>Look inside
>Forced to be compliant with whatever side the devs want you on
Yeah I really wanted a Persona 3 dialogue option, “I don’t care.” for 90% of this crap. I remember when we used to be able to punch Solas, kill Leliana, and betray or piss off everyone in the party. Now, if I want to play, I am forced to agree with and comply with all the DEI BS that I would never comply with IRL. If I can’t chose to be an asshole, then there really isn’t choices.
@@alexsmith6482 I was afraid that it will be the case because of the gameplay that they showed us. There Rook was shadow dragon but that added one line "City is big i dont know all of it" and scout did her job like she would do with every other background and later we have "choice" if we want to talk or stop solas and only difference is approval because Varrick goes to talk no matter what. Even in their clip (and they could chose any) they showed us nah, choices are boring here is God of War story and mechanics that are pretending to be Dragon Age
Disagreeing is never an option.
It's a common crutch for bad writers to get quippy and sarcastic because actual sincerity runs the risk of the audience rejecting something you've put your heart and soul into. But if the characters aren't invested in what's happening, why should the audience?
Funny that as a reader/player I found these veilguard characters childish and rude.
Agreed, I'm getting MCU dialogue vibes from this.
You guys never played dragon age games. This dip is purposely choosing the lamest response which is always quippy and lame
I didn't realize that was a crutch bad writers used. Thanks for sharing.
@@tonybryk3312 Hush, the adults are busy talking. Don't interrupt little Jimmy.
Marvel writers right now: Finally a worthy opponent, our battle will be legendary 🔥🔥🔥
More like just James Gunn and Taika Waititi.
The MCU has poisoned an entire generation of writers. They legitimately thing this is funny.
@@Agent789_0 The quipy banter and colorfull graphics were funny and resfreshing back in 2010 when movies and videogames were all brown/grey and serious. Marvel even made Thor more sci-fi to match its universe "realistic" tone.
Now it's the polar opposite, but worse...
@@g.v4848 True. We've gone from one extreme to the other. Hopefully we start to move back soon.
Anyone ever notice that the humour in media is all the same nowadays? Like the same sarcastic non serious quirky level humor.
Ye everything is awful now. At least I have co-worker who I can joke and laugh with like the old days
Noticed that time ago. It's right there. How can you not notice it?
Scaled up to avengers end game, then it hit terminal mass, and no movie or show could be taken serious because it was just jokes appealing to the lowest denominator.
It's so badly done it ain't humour. Can make almost anything work if the necessary writing quality is there. And understand balance, execution.
Vileguard is 1/10 writing.
Idiots concerned with political correctness (now wokism) were the only people interested in creative writing, it seems q
I just love how Dragon Age went from a gritty dark fantasy into bog standard "we have D&D at home" generic fantasy in every goddamn way.
the story, acting, and dialog is better and more natural from a DM that is running his first homebrew and overslept.
@flampagan1994 Facts. No lies detected.
The music accompanying these moments are the cherry on top. It’s like a disney movie.
Or even worse:
Something made by Joss Whedon or Taika Waititi.
DA:O : Morrigan vs Alistair
DA2 : Aveline vs Isabella
DA:I : Nobody vs Nobody
DA:V : Everybody vs Humor
It peaked with Morrigan and Alistair.
@@adeptdamage3669 it was especially hilarious when you play as human and have a relationship with Morrigan, she'll basically torture Alistair nonstop for successfully "stealing" his bro (you).
Inquisition sucked
Solas vs Vivienne and Vivienne vs Dorian was great in DAI, imo
@@LARRY113Z Agreed, btw that trash win GOTY How is that possible, i don't understand.
I missed my goat Alistair
Yeah it's a shame that this lot just swooped in and all but removed him from the franchise.
@@yaelz6043 "Yesssss, swooping is baddddd,"
honestly im just really glad they didnt come and ruin him like how they did with Isabella and the other returning characters
honestly every origins companion was funny in their own way
This is like watching a sitcom where you know the jokes are sterilized and are written by someone who thought this was funny in their head along with a laugh track in the background.
and some of sitcoms are funny, this is just cringe
Could be worse, could’ve been another cheaply made Nickcom!
Blockbuster.
@@viola6204The Nanny, Brooklyn 99 Are great to me, I think 99's reviews Are mixed but to me it wasnt anything Bad considering it's basically Modern times sitcom.
bro!! i was thinking the same 😂😂 gaming media is f*cked.
I cringed so hard I entered an alternate reality where 70000 morons played this at the same time.
😂😂😂
Those 70k players are actually a bots.😂
@@Vynne96-jg7er is that even possible? They just boot up the game and leave the menu running to boost player count?
@@marcosamell96 of course it's possible
@@quintit And there are so many reviews. " This isnt Dragon Age. Recommended." 🤢🤨 Also how many outlets gave this 9/10. What reality is that?
the fact that these writers are now gonna swift to making the next mass effect game is what i fear the most
Don't be afraid of the dead, it's not some sort of fantasy game.
Actually, the director around this new mass effect said it's being on a different team, and they are going to set the vibe and some veterans writers are going to return.
did you even play the games?
with the crucible and andromeda. theyve been dead.
@deathandrebirth-y8x I played the og trilogy yes.
The thing with the crucible, that will depend of your playthough, and I know the fact everyone around the original trilogy is dead around andromeda, but we don't know what happened to them.
Right now we have a masked member from N7, a secret message liara with the geth, finding something unbelievable that will make council pissed off, and possibility set 5 years later after the events of the third game [if you look at secret message video, there's is a date when got posted.]
@@Jydennnn my post was towards op.
i didnt mean the characters dead. i meant the franchise.
Man I don't even want to pirate this game... It's KILLER advertisement for Dragon Age Origins though.
safe bet Steam etc. will rake in extra money soon, at the moment you would get DA:O and DA2 for less than Veilguard afaik
My dream would be a Dragon Origins "remake". But I know they would just destroy and sensor it.
@@Anwell100 Red sensor
@@Anwell100 We have all this new technology to remake wonderful games of the past... but now we also have regards and puritans at the wheel. Feels bad, man.
@@keystrix3704I really hate these people
I fear the day Bioawre remasters this game.
They did a great job with ME
Knowing how much snowflakes the writers and developers at biowere are right now and how much they tried to whitewash Veilguard's world, I reckon the current biowere won't touch Origins because they think it's too "Problematic" since the game deals with dark and realistic subject matter like segregation, racism, actual bigotry ETC...
Bio aware
@@rigatenes338ME trilogy was a good remaster but they still censored Miranda's buttshots and f**ked up eye shaders
don't worry soon there will be no Bioware to remaster anything
The difference between games that address political subjects like Cyberpunk, DA Origins, Disco Elysium and both Red Dead games is that the writers of these games ask questions and trust the players to come with their own answers and conclusions while on the other hand the Veilguard writers are just telling the players what to think and it feels more like propaganda than art. I honestly hope the writers of this game get blacklisted from the entertainment industry but knowing the industry they'll probably end up being "journalists" at IGN or Kotaku.
The trick is to address the underlying philosophy, partisan politics is only surface level.
You've got it the other way around. One of the troons working on this game was a urnalist from Kotaku. The one who tried cancelling Nintendo because he thought he heard the word r3-t4rt3d in the smash bros persona 5 music. Turned out it was the word "retort." The pipeline goes from activist urnalist to game "writer." Going back to urnalist would be a downgrade for them. Also the director was a troon as well, so he can only fail upwards in modern times.
It IS propaganda!
@zenna5062 make no mistake corporations don't care about troons or their ideas. They care only about profit. If this fails and it most likely will, then the investors will stop letting these idiots use games as a tool to spread their ideologies.
@Dr.Yakub22 Disney investors say hi.
Is this how people talk to each other in California?
On Twitter*
@@editorrbr2107 So the writers of this just don't socialize in real life ever?
@@DeadEndScreamer The evidence is right there.
And Edmonton
@@kristoffer8609 Where
Babe wake up, NikTek is sh*tting on triple A title again
Babe, wake up, I'm posting cringe again!
This might actually be a record for high-profile failures in a calendar year.
@@KingKRool91cry more
@@KingKRool91 what's your mewing streak now, skibidi
Good!
"I always endorse napping" - What the hell was that?
Who talks like that?
@@jasperzanovich2504 You know who? Socially awkard introverts when they go to a party and need to speak to a bunch of people who they don't know and have no idea what to say to them, so they just repeat what has been said by adding some cringy stuff in front of it.
The infantilized adult effect
Oh, you know - just some medieval fantasy people. I mean, didn't people in medieval times speak like zoomers?
I thought it was a sexual proposition, but unfortunately no. I wonder... does this game contains erotic scenes ?
Wow! That Asian elf is so quirky! Hashtag relatable, am I right?🤣
These writers grew up on early 2000s Disney Channel shows, Family Guy and Marvel. Naturally they suck ass. They think that quips and meta humor are peak writing. And if you're unaware what early 2000s Disney Channel shows were like, they usually went something like this: "High five! Anyone? Oh, you're going to leave me hanging, huh? This is awkward... *audience laugh track*"
Family Guy? Nah, way too violent and sexist for they/them
Elves in Tevinter are mostly slaves too, and the last three games have gone at length to show how shit they have it. Talk about tonal shift
It's 100% another badly done self insert. Like "the thing".
Writing is atrocious. Have to spell out everything for you. Instead of getting to know the character naturally,and having depth. And tell you about "ramblers". Also it's just because she is too genius.
Absolute caricatures.
The hell does family guy got to do with this? x'D
@@Dorastrickland1993family guy is absolute garbage , just like this writers.
Alister was sarcastic and didn't hesitate to insult people and was funny how he did it.
They're just ridiculous attempts to appear funny and "quirky"
And he wasn't this way just for the sake of being qUirKy
He often hid behind jokes to make himself feel better
'He's right behind me isnt he' writing 💀
Well *that* just happened!
in DAO, the banter between Morrigan and Alistair was top tier.
In the next game:
A serious discussion is taking place, everyone worried and their voices grave. Suddenly, there is a loud CRUNCH in the background. Everyone stops talking and turns around to see the source of the noise. The comic relief character is sitting, eating some snacks. He/she looks up with a confused look on his/her face and just blurts out "What?"
--The writer dies laughing.--
You used the wrong pronouns, you rude!
You should have used "they/them", now spend 3 mins to apologize, as this game teached us!
They spent 4 entire lines of dialogue on napping. So Im napping on this game forever.
Bro the marvelification is 🤪
More like disneyfication. MCU had some good writing at the start.
@@DagobertX2 Like first Avengers movie had some nice jokes in that
@@DagobertX2true MCU up until Infinity War was fairly flawless...
@@Tara-lz3ujWhat!? 😂😂 No they weren't. Thor 1 and Thor 2, Iron Man 2 and 3, Blade 3, all the X-Men Movies, both Hulk movies and the second avengers movie all sucked 😂 I swear people simp over marvel stuff way too much. There's a handful of ok marvel films and like 2 actually good ones (iron man and blade).
@@DuggyDarko Why did you mention a lot of non mcu movies when he specifically said mcu?
“Did he also do what was best for your husband, Your Majesty?”
Bann Teagan of Rainesfere to Queen Anora, daughter of Loghain Mac Tir
you know a game impressed you if you still know the occasion when the line was delivered and it was decades ago
Da:O was best
And the way he fuckin' STRODE outta there after that mic drop was amazing. Bioware was sooo good at cinematography, as well as dialogue.
Somehow Origins even looks better, it does a better job at making you feel the characters belong in that world
Veilguard sounds like one of those HR training videos about “appropriate” behavior
Did I just destroy this franchise with my freakin' game?!
Wow, I do that now, ok 🤓
Forspoken? 😂
Ummm the veil guards are behind me isn't it?
Welp THAT just happened!!
Great game to another great game
You can't convince me that waterboarding wasn't simply replaced by playing "games" like this.
Well played glowies.
Glowies 😭
They thought they were going to get Awkwafina for the Asian girl and it's incredibly painful
Wait that's not her?
Humour is very hard when you're not trying to offend anyone
bro you made the perfect character for this game lmao
As an aspiring writer myself, I used to think I just sucked at writing humor. This game and its writers have fully convinced me that writing no humor at all is infinitely better than whatever hell they were trying here. For that, I thank them.
Some people just aren't meant to write humor, don't let that discourage you from writing.
sorry my face is tired for dealing with veilguard dialog
DAO had this constant sense of dread that something horrible is always waiting to happen which makes the few humorous scenes necessary for levity
we have a dog in the party and allistair is still the dumbest one in the party.
I really miss it when Bioware was very subtle with their social lecturing. It made for some of the best 'real' moments.
They're so proud that this game ain't going to sell millions of copies
not to defend them but dragon age was always a niche product. even origins.
@@deathandrebirth-y8xTell that to the Failguards budget fam.
@@iemzaf that doesnt change the numbers. origins sold like 3 million. inquisition 6 million.
that just means someone likes losing money.
@@deathandrebirth-y8xyou must be very braindead to think those numbers arent good.
Youre jaded by the top 0.001% of games that sold more than that.
@@deathandrebirth-y8x In fairness, for many years games in general didn't sell that many copies all things considered. That same year Origins came out, CoD Modern Warfare 2, generally considered a contender for the best Call of Duty game, and being a game that was in an already insanely popular series that appealed to a broad audience, only sold about 12 mil copies.
It is niche comparatively for sure, but it was still pretty hefty sales for the time period. While the number of sales for games in more recent years is often kept a lot more vague by companies, the number of people buying games in general is significantly higher now than it was a decade ago. Hogwarts Legacy for example, which came out last year, is estimated to have sold about 24 million copies, which is more than Wii Sports sold during its release year, (coincidentally the same year as DA:O), which sold about 20mil that year, and the Wii was considered an un-precedented worldwide phenomenon for how many people were buying it.
Numbers without context only tell half the story, and it's much easier for even bad games to hit high numbers now than well received games could hit 10+ years ago.
Man, the fall of bioware needs to be studied. From amazing classics lile KOTOR, Dragon Age, Jade Empire, Mass Effect! To s**t like Andromeda, and now this? Heartbreaking 😢
Original devs left.
Its just a zombie studio.
That's what happens when EA buys a studio, forces them to rush games to cash in on trends, compromises quality and writing, letting most of the original talent leave and hiring incompetent activists in their place. Bioware is now a skinned face of what it once was, worn by something sick, twisted and entirely different underneath it.
Doesn't need it. It's very simple. Bioware got bought up by EA and will end up like Bullfrog, Westwood, etc., in the EA game studio graveyard.
It's not hard to understand: Almost nobody at Bioware today was there when they were pumping out golden age classics. It's an entirely different studio beneath the name.
Easy. The games we talk about were made over 15 years ago. People involved are long gone.
The Cat ending came out more funnier than the Whole video itself 😂
Dragon age veilguard, bringing that Caillou energy we’ve been waiting for
Idk why, but the dialogue in the new one reads like it was written by a 30-something white woman who spends a lot of time on reddit. You know, the kind of person who says "le epic meme" and "pet the doggo".
because it is.
Well more like a 30 something man pretending to be a woman who spends a lot of time on reddit.
They put the "drag" in Dragon Age...
Stolen but still a good meme.
Dragqueen Age: Gayguard
Cant spell Dragon Age without the "drag" 💀
It's the Drag-On Age
Rook's chin looks like that chad-meme
Ive lay out with a more prominent chin girl. And honestly you have to focus of not looking at it to enjoy.
How do these writers get jobs at major studios? HOW?!!
You know what, maybe I don’t want to know the answer to that question.
You know what, maybe I should apply. I've never written anything longer than a few pages, but seeing how low the bar is set currently... maybe I have a chance.
Non binary
Same way that Dictators and Cult leaders hire their Generals, Advisors and Inner circle: Zeal and Loyalty to the cause > any actual degree of competence.
Jews.
nepotism and quota-filling?
Have you ever licked a lamppost in Winter?
You can hear the writers self inserting trough these characters i swear
We all love our Boi Alistair in Origins
The dialogue between Morrigan and Alistair was just amazing. It was like watching a stand-up comedy.
I don't play choices story games, but boy am I wishing there were more choices than Yes, Yes with less emotion and Yes with more emotion
Dragon Age: The California Edition
People said the dialogue sounds like corporate speech, when HR is in the room. That's scarily accurate lol
I'm currently replaying Origins, and man, Alistair has me constantly smiling, and even when one of his jokes don't land, they're the kind of bad you still laugh at for being so horrible instead of cringe. Alistair has charm. His bad jokes make him MORE charming.
I guess devs were inspired by Demolition Man movie. "Rook, you are fined five credits for repeated violations of the verbal morality statute."
What I find hilarious is the Asian and Black elves. Skin color is not just a paint job where you go to the shop and magically become something else. Melanin is directly correlated with the position the equator and the necessity to deal with heat. The elves have, randomly, a multicultural society despite there not being any evidence of this just to be exactly like California. If there were any elves like this, they would have eventually bred to a more neutral and consistent 'color' anyways.
But who cares about reality, we need to depict diversity without any reason.
Skin color doesn't dictate race/breed. It's your ancient ancestral mix. G25 PCA visualizes this reality. We will be forced to redefine race in order to describe this reality. It turns out we're all special and we can't replace each other like cogs in a machine.
Turns out there's a lot of different breeds and sub-breeds of people. The Asian continent alone has quite a few.
It's not the white race, it's the European race, and there's sub-races too. And the Levantines (Lebanese, Israelis, some Palestinians) are a (1st) cousin race to the European people. They both generally share around 50% Neolithic Anatolian farmer ancestry. Caucasus people are also a (1st) cousin race) to Europeans.
So a brown Lebanese of a Christian background is genetically closer to a pale Englishman than a brown indian.
Dad jokes (DAO ) vs Jimmy Fallon mumble ( DA:V )
1:04 i dislike her with a burning passion
What is this dialogue? Everyone is speaking like they are in a California high school.
The banter in the original was really funny even in the medium of videogames which usually isn't. Like Morrigan comparing Alistair to the dog all the time.
That “Millennial Writing” video ages like fine wine 🍷
I 'll assume most of you have DAO, but I' ll say this just in case. Grab the game from gog, download and store the files. Now, even if they pull this masterpiece from the store it 'll remain in your library and your backed up drive or w/e. cheers and rip bioware
Or better yet play it emulated with controller because they didn't bother to port the controls.
@@CheeseOfMasters Just pirate it. There's no more original devs in bioware team, don't give them your money
@@koloblockkol6665 Dude I don't know where you'd get a PS3 or Xbox version of Origins other than used or pirated.
The millennial writing is strong in this game.
Gen Z
Past dragons games: no cursing or accurate curses
Fartguard: " Fuck "in the first ten seconds
The writing in DA Origins was perfection man. The banter between Alistair and Morrigan felt incredibly natural throughout the game....These characters had chemistry.
How I miss those days.
When you read YA novels and watch post-2010 movies your entire life, you end up writing this.
God forbid the characters take anything seriously. The endless sarcasm really removes any stakes.
It is so obvious from the moment you start playing this game that no attention to detail or care has been put into character interaction. They all converse with a modern parlance with no authenticity of a fantasy setting. It is completely immersion breaking when compared to other fantasy rpgs. This is for what Bioware describe as "the modern audience".
Big ups to Steve Valentine - most underrated VA ever, his delivery is what makes Alistair the GOAT even after all these years.
I really wanted to be fair and like this game, but I have to admit, the newer one sounds like characters in Disney Dreamlight Valley 😞
Holy fucking hell. If you showed me just that clip from 1:03, even with a hundred guesses I'd never have pegged it as a Dragon Age game. The writing evokes the kind of TV shows my friend's 8-year-old watches. Blows my mind that grown adults at Bioware actually thought other adults would like this kind of writing in a Dragon Age game. It'd be hilarious if it wasn't so pathetically sad.
Its crazy they kept teasing their bankruptcy since Anthem and Andromeda. Veilguard it is.
It's best selling on all platforms rn lol. Bioware isn't going anywhere.
Couldn't even garner a tenth of BG3's numbers, Biowaste is cooked.
@@rigatenes338 DA inquisition came to steam 6 years after release on origins
@@rigatenes338 I doubt that
I loved it when Rook looking into the camera ans aid BAZINGA. Funniest shit I ever saw.
Go to heaven for the climate, and hell for the company.
alistair was genuinely hilarious he was always my favorite
I took Alistair absolutely everywhere. Dude was my best mate. lol
- excuse me, do you have the time?
- I'm gay
Origin: A well done study and research of old english with delicacy of mokery between lines
Veilguard: Trying to imitate tweeter language
Veilguard has the best humour in the whole series because the entire game is a joke
I have to give credit to bioware here. The modern audiences would never understand the humor from Origins, they need the brainrot shit from veilguard
1:28 pure Disney moment, ugh
Disney Age: The Transguard
“Your glibness does you no credit!”
the sanitization and sterilization of games is so frustrating
I still remember the cinematic of the Battle at ostagar how heartbreaking the lorgain betrayal was even dragon age 2 had that incredible moment of tragedy with hawks mom, i cant even picture dragon age shitguard doing anything close to that and even if they tried to would ruin it with superficial marvel humor
They focus sooo hard not to make a joke that could offend anyone. The entire game must be a safe space. xD
Who is Alistair's joke at the start of the video not afraid of offending so it can be better? Mages?? Mailmen???
1:50 laughing sfx
I laughed so hard when that face showed up
@@gustavohc18 this rook's face is already a walking joke 😂
The background laugh would fit so perfectly for Veilguard
The MCU has destroyed the concept of writing “comedy.”
Alastair was hilarious in Origins. “Swooping is bad” is my favorite.
"Have you ever licked a lamp post in winter?"