Hey Duke, thanks for putting these videos together. I find a lot of other Smite UA-camrs give really loose guides or just stream, so we need someone who can put together good guides and give real advice and you fill that role really well. Keep them coming man, fantastic work.
*In the lobby phase* Player 1: Solo Player 2: Jung You : Mid Player 4: ADC *Last 10 seconds* Player 5: I can't play support WTF *Instalocks Thanatos* *Lobby phase in a nutshell*
There came a point, months after I had hit level 30, where I realized I was no longer dealing with role-stealing and instalocking every other game. It happens once every ten or so games, and teammates actually call them out on it instead of going "w/e its just a game he can play what he wants stop sperging you autist". I don't know what internal matchmaking algorithms there are for casual conquest, but I'm grateful they're working for me.
Solo is usually played by a warrior or some specific assassins but I've seen guardians in there. They play in the solo or short lane, which is the shortest lane on the map. Mid is usually a mage and plays in the middle of the map. Jungle can be all sorts of roles and their jobs is to clear camps and gank, or ambush enemies in lane, giving their team the advantage.
This is sooooooo relatable I actually go mid and if someone wants to go mid then I will go support and if ever, someone goes support, I will go solo or jungle or adc depending on the god
My first conquest was my last. Had people telling me to kill myself and saying I was useless even though I said my role and even stated it was my first round of conquest. They expect you to be pro apparently.
WhimsicalDuck I ran into this support who was all mad at me because I forgot to build shoes because I had to lock down dual lane when they backed and mid ganked. He kept saying I sucked and he was the smite guru. He went 0-8 and I went 6-8. Saved him 5 different times and got a triple kill.
Thank goodness for this video! Trying to get into Conquest at level 30 is really hard. Also, an additional tip for some: Practice vs AI doesn't help much for learning Conquest. You can familiarize yourself with jungle navigation, sure, but that's about it- the bots do not rotate and treat solo lane like a second duo lane. They're fairly dumb that way.
they also treat mid like duo2 if i play with easy AI against medium AI to try out new keybindings or stuff like that i usually end up in a game where my AI has a duo on that one lane that the opponent AI team only has 1 god resulting in having 2v1,2v2,1v2 lanes :/
Making a custom game can help. It lets you assign only three players to each team, to ensure you get a solo lane each time. And I think the AI has a higher setting. I'm probably wrong, but it still feels like the AI does a way better job.
Cheshire Cad Even then, they're still _very_ easily outplayed by any reasonable player. Also, the other bots will not rotate to help a teammate that's losing their lane, as a human team would/should do. Playing vs bots all the time will teach new players bad habits with rotating.
Was conquest actually fun? As opposed to every other game mode, it's so slow and i personally get distracted in all the downtime. Not to mention sometimes games last over 60 min.
This literally covers everything you would need to know for starting!, great vid man, any hopes of a more advanced guide for players in gold or below looking to rank up? :)
I typically turn on the auto-skill for gods I have pre-set ability-pathing on such as my adc pool with Jing Wei, Artemis and Anhur. Sometimes I'll turn it off if I'm not feeling confident but for the most part I think my auto-leveling is fine. :v Auto-build I typically always leave off because there is that scenario you mentioned where counter-building is a thing. My build for every game is almost always completely different from the previous build. Sometimes I'll try to rush Ichaival or Transendence first, sometimes I'll grab Death's Toll and a couple wards plus tier one of another item it really is a wildcard start for me depending on the enemy comp.
this should just be something you can do on pc anyways, if u vgs before the game starts your options are the greetings and role call. which would be awesome
gaming wizard I suppose they just assume people will use the chat, which they don't. There are still lots of instalockers, but it just makes things easier
Young Jesus When you say switch to chat do you mean mic? I'm on PS4 and I do kinda wish there was a text chat it the character select screen, but I don't think there is on console.
0:30 "Everyone will be clueless about how to play the mode" ...unless you're playing in AU, where you're likely to have 4 lvl 30s in your team and 1 lvl 5! Anyway, great guide for new conquest players, with good info even for some lvl 30s who still forget doing some things.
DukeSloth Didn't expect the reply! Queue times are fine in AU too (I used to live and play in NA and they have fairly similar queues); the trade-off being that matchmaking can be outright terrible especially at off-peak times. Can't blame it due to the smaller player base here but unfortunately there's a lot of bm towards new players as a result, since they'll obviously end up feeding opponents with 1000 hours of total playtime. Anyway just wanted to say really enjoy your vids - I watch streams and pro players' vids all the time but you make some of the most detailed guides that go right to the point.
Why couldn't have made this video like a month ago? ;-; I'm still recovering from the traumatizing experience of my first conquest game...*shivers* I never wanna go back. Seriously, though thanks this helps a lot, still have a lot to learn though >~>
This is alot of stuff for people who just want to get into conquest. Personally i think the hardest thing about conquest is the early game and you should espeially teach this for every role. Anyway nice video ; )
Thank u dukesloth for this vid! It really helped me alot because i suck at conquest and never join it it for the reason that i will get bm (basically im scared) and also the fact that only one role that i can play.In pretty much new to this mode and still studying rotations,where to ward,VGS etc Thnx and u earned a sub😊
Great video as always! But I have some more questions about the topic... I usually play Guardians and end up in the support role whenever I play casual conquest (which is not often). One of my main issues is not knowing how to rotate. When should I expect to begin rotating? How do I recognize a rotation opportunity? After I rotate, should I stay for one minion wave or leave immediately? I also don't know when 'Early Game' ends and when 'Late Game' begins, or what those terms even mean. Is there a hard-and-fast rule about when to start grouping and team-fighting? If a skirmish starts somewhere else on the map, which roles are expected to rotate and help and which ones stay in lane and push objectives? Does this change at later times in the match? Thanks again for all your help!
i'm not much help when it comes to all that because i'm only just starting conquest (i've been jousting for a very long time lol), but in con early game is (generally) minute 1 - 10, mid is 11 - 20 and late is anything after that. that is, if no one has fed or the team has not fallen extremely behind.
Most important tip i can offer before playing a conquest match is to watch a video or two of the God you plan on playing. Watch how they are typically used and learn some of their combos and builds. That will be a huge help to you and your team.
I can second this, this if only for the guy who was trashing med on mids, and Sloth didn't really go into it here, but there are some mid gods where Meditation is a necessity. Chang'e for example, will get Med in 90% of her mid games, both pro and amateur players will get med on her if playing mid and it'd be bad if someone saw this video, saw a Chang'e getting med and was like, "Fucking noob, DukeSloth said that Med is for fucking scrubs in mid."
If someone sees this video and starts using its information to verbally harass someone, it shows a lack of understanding far deeper than anything Duke can be expected to help. And yeah, Chang'e with med is a stone-cold bitch. People still ask why I don't get teleport when I play her solo. Then they see what happens when I never have to back.
Something that helped me when starting is remembering that: Short Lane = Speed = Solo. Using this allows you to be on the correct side according to your role.
"I can promise you....(Smite) is a lot of fun, until you get to the point where you realize how bad the matchmaking is" (DukeSloth, 2016) so much truth in this one sentence
Thank you very much for this video and that about season 4, i hope that thanks to you i should have more courage now to play conquest. I'm such a scaredy cat, that i can't force myself to play it after my long break which was back in beta time (Ne Zha was new, i returned to Smite week before Bellona arrival), since my return due to complete lack of knowlege i was too scared to play conquest, despite missing it. So thank you, this videos are really helpful and courage building. And i know this video is old and there is tiny chance that youll read this, but maybe i'm wrong.
Sometimes the insta lockers can be fun, I was in a game, straight away I ping jungle and a neith and medusa insta lock, then a few seconds after a Jing Wei and anhur instalock, so just for fun and to have a full hunter team I went Ho yi jungler. You would never get a full hunter game like that with everybody knowing what to do and whereas it is annoying when the last person locks in a stupid God for a support it is fun to have things like that. Also goes with the motd where you can choose any God, it is very fun to have a full nox team all go into each other and burst out all on one person.
I don't buy potions as Jungle. I either clear the small xp camps for mana or just back. Always buy wards though. Especially if you're squishy or support. Solo doesn't need them as much, but it doesn't hurt to have them.
Someone who wants to get into lvl 30 conquest should know the 5 roles and what they do tbh. It's implied but still should've probably been at least mentioned. Still tho, I really like this vid
I started playing Smite (and other mobas) back when Smite was in closed beta, yet don't properly know how to play conquest or the same mode in other mobas. I understand roles but rotating, when to take objective X ganking, etc. are something I don't really know how to time right. Also that's the reason why I can't play jungler well, even though I love playing assassins
having auto level isnt all that bad for example if i level up in the middle of a fight i wont have to divert my attention to what i want to level up or hitting the right button to level that ability auto buy is a bad idea though i will give you that since it makes it impossible to counter buy
See, things like this need to be official tutorials in game. I've been traumatized from conquest because my first match I instalocked ama nad got yelled at the whole match by the mid laner. The meta is so strong in the game I think Hi rez ought to take step to info players more to avoid less people being sacred of conquest. But what do i know.
fun fact: my first conquest was absolute hell. i don't recall all the details and this wasn't like a ranked conquest but all that i can remember was that our opponents seemingly got to us out of no where and spent most of the time killing any god that left the camp as if we were in a nazi death camp. it even reminded me of a game i had of multiplayer call of duty where seemingly are enemies knew where every spawn zone would be so they camped and killed anyone that respawned with automatic shotguns.
@DukeSloth Would you say a lot of these requirements also apply to playing conquest on consoles? I am currently lv. 20 on smite, and a lot of your requirements I don't actually fit (for example I'm not that good at counterbuilding and I'm only really comfortable as mage, usually midlaning) yet I somehow do better than people on my team/ react better to situations. Perhaps this could be due to a drop in skill level between platforms?
Yeah, was gonna say that, don't compare yourself to the average console player. There are many players on console that came from non-moba cames and as such, are relatively clueless. Yet, they are performing relatively well as they're surrounded by an environment of similar players, so they don't need to change. You can easily rise above those by learning and understanding multiple roles and counterbuilding. The only things that don't apply afaik are muting because it's not possible and calling roles because the role calling system is different.
I'm always confused in conquest of which parts of my builds should be staples and which parts of my builds need to be flex. Could you maybe go into that on a video or just give me some tips? I play jungle and mid mainly and any help would be appreciated.
Just in case someone rn is watching a little tip Since you need 18 gods mastered to play ranked conquest make sure you have at least two or three on each class so if one of them gets banned your good, and you at least need to know their kit, some combos and what to build with them.
You know what i really love about conquest? duo fucking laning in mid. khumba ult into ra ult the whole damn game its really pleasing, especially when he fucking blinks at you while backing. enjoyable things
i would love to go back to conquest, when i first started i used to always play but now with all the updates i find it really lagging fps wise and also i load in late in some games and my team starts raging at me for that.
So in terms of exceptions for mid... When I use Anubis (haha shit tier I know) is it okay to go for T2 Bancroft's with two mana potions to start? Or should I do Vampiric Shroud? I do well with him, but don't bring him into ranked for obvious reasons.
while the T2 bancroft's does give a lot of power and the two mana pots as well as the lifesteal will help you sustain, you get more of it if you start vampiric shroud. the early game requires you to stay in lane and farm, and as anubis you'll probably be tower-hugging because any half-decent player will know to constantly gank him. you get more pots for sustain if you start with shroud, as well as getting the MP5 and extra health.
DukeSloth, which is worse? Have a teammate that is purposefully feeding from the begginning, or a teammate that is just such trash they might as well be feeding and they rage about it? I had a game where one person died to the tower 3 times and blamed the rest of the team. and he was solo laner. Had another game where it was just 2 people who kept running into towers. I personally dont mind if people dont know how to play conquest, im glad to teach em. As long as they arent asshats about it and like pick agni jungle, go 0 n 12 in ranked, and then say "lol it is just a game"
As someone who primarily plays assault,the rotations and warding are really what's fucking me up. The problem is, the main way to learn that is to play, but I'm a bit worried about playing without knowing that
I think ignoring the BM and not letting it get to you is a big part of playing casual conquest and solo queue, you even see pro players get Bm'd in those games.
a question why hirez wont do a asymmetrical map (if thats even what its called like lets say that the speed camps are not on the same side but on the opposed side like a zig zag of sorts like the speed camp will always be on the right side for example)? itll be easier for new players that didnt play any moba game before or new player that came from other mobas
D.K. Florian Invades would be harder, and the lanes would be flip flopped. solo lane for order would be on the right and it would be in the right as well for chaos... meaning that both lanes are shortened. It just wouldnt work. lol uses top and bot because the lanes are the same, but since the lanes are different in smite to create a different dynamic that would not work
D.K. Florian and it would mess up the whole game and the meta of the game. This game has been out for 4 years, give or take. There are less and less new players, and changing the game, basically making it a new game, would really f*ck up the game for 90% of the player base. In a nutshell, screw beginners, amiright?
that moment when you realize that your being selfish cuz i personally always get lost on the start of each game cuz i still dont know where is what and i main jungle XD yeah didnt think this one through
Back in season 2 I only played conquest and it made up over 50% of my game mode queues. In season 3 I can barely even get into a conquest queue without having teams fight in the queue lobby over roles and insta-locking. The players who keep trying "experimental" builds kills it for me. I can understand some of their decisions, but to feed their lane and then leave while in middle of the match was a huge turn off to conquest for me this season.
so you said a lot about not using one build and mixing it up. I do that to an extent ( I play a lot of arena, new to conquest), but don't know every item and when to buy them. so how do you learn that skill? by practicing or?
also for auto buy and auto skill. I never use auto buy of course, but auto skill is tricky because it's hard to understand which to level. how do I learn that
You need to learn how to build/counter build to play conq but turning off auto skill feels situational to me. The game is generally already set to level you well (unless you're a character like Thor, Scylla, or Ah puch who need to point skip or ignore Ult)
TheXmacProject some gods you can get away with it, but gods with important heals, immunities or escapes are harder to do so. If you are playing against a very weak or passive player, you don't have to level your escape first, and can focus on damage. However, if they are being very aggressive or are just playing an aggressive God, you'll want your escape etc as soon as possible.
there can be times when it would have been better to lvl something else. Like merc you lvl his 1 for clear, you got invaded and killed, but if you had his 3 you could have gotten out, so i recommend learning when to lvl what ingame.
auto level has pros and cons, i personally started using it a while ago you just need to know what you'll be leveling at which point with this system and turn it off if you know you might have to change it basically, know what you'll be leveling and know if it's the right way to level in this situation, if it is you might gain a little bit out of it if you gain a level in combat, otherwise turn it off fast enough so it won't harm you in that one game
I am new to the game and when I try to play conquest I just get yelled at by my teammates for doing stuff wrong. I'm not really learning much. I know what not to do, but idk what to do instead
Hello, i am a level 15 in smite and still isnt that good and suck and usually get a lot of angry teammates i like anhur he seems good and i have a good build but i suck, any help?
I can't level up , I'm learning vital stuff when q ing with my friends but no one uses them in level 15 matchmaking , I have seen people leaving solo lane to go to the right lane just for a killsteal and it cost us a win
You guys ever noticed that when you taunt while walking with Zhong and then stop, the animation starts playing? It doesn't happen with other characters.
Coming from League wave managment can win you games and in smite no one seems to know or care about that. What slowpush means what freezing the lane means or just how to leave your lane before you rotate. Alot of people seem to just rotate without really clearing the wave and some seconds later the minions are suddenly under your tower damaging the tower and maybe even destroy it.
To be honest, minions in LoL are very different. Freezing waves is more rewarding as zoning in Smite only works when you have a MASSIVE lead, due to being close to an enemy already giving you part of the gold and full xp. Also, in Smite's midgame you can clear waves in Smite much faster and instead of stalling, you can make use of that time to rotate. The same thing isn't as easy in LoL, due to the map being a lot bigger.
Dear duke sloth can you explain how damage on towers and phoneixes work because I notice that sometimes I do more or less damage to towers and phonexies
Velocity GD Towers and phoenixes have a lot of protection, penetration helps alot with killing them. If you build a titan's bane or an obsidian shard (which give you 33% penetration) you kill towers extremely quickly.
Velocity GD Different gods have different amounts of base power. Every god also gains power each level. So either the God was different, or the level was different.
its important if you hv the minion debuff on the tower your attacking --> means the tower shot a minion before you attacked it you will only deal 50% of your actual damage without
I want to get into conquest but I usually become very frustrated. I rage after a game or two and head back to arena. I know conquest is the best mode but I do not really enjoy it. The game is not "fun" when I play conquest. Maybe I can give it another go in season 4.
i use auto skill, but i set it my self because to get a skill during a fight i have to hit two buttons at once cause i cant change it and that fucks me up
why is auto-skill so bad? i.e. when the "level-up" is blinking, i can't see if the ability is on CD or not. so is set up my skills in god builder and run with auto-skill.
while that is all well and good, if you set a before a game there's a chance the comp you or the enemy has may need you to change which abilities you level.
I've really only played conquest since I started playing smite back in April of this year I mean I also play clash and siege every now and then but I'm a conquest player. It was the first game mode I played and my favorite. Even that being my main game mode, it still took a good month to two months to truly understand it and git gud. Just remember roles are extremely important and find what role you're good at and try to call it at the beginning of each game
tips and stuff for low lvls is good and all, but can we get something for the "expert" players pls... we haven't gotten anything for the old players for a long time
If your an expert player, your not in the need of tips. And can only really learn from somone of even higher skill level. I.E. just watch the the professionals
if someone if bming u ask what ur doing wrong... if the guy just replies "F. u" ok just mute him. but if he says what u are doing wrong, plz LISTEN and CHANGE
it was funny. I main support and once the two guys wanted to be jungles. they both ended up leaving me to duo alone where they had a three v two against the solo and later got mad at me for dying constantly. it wrecked my thoughts of junglers
Yea nice vid bud but 12:25 - 12:33 DAAAAAAAAAAAAAYYYYUUMM THAT OUT PLAY THO!!!!!! THATS A AWILIX MASTERY LVL 10 RIGHT THERE GUYS!!!!!! MLG PLS PLS NERF DUKESLOTH TOO OP XDDDDDDD
I played a little bit of conquest when I was a lower level. At higher levels and at level 30 I never played it. First time playing it at level 30, I went mid as Nu wa.. 0/12/6 D:
"until you get to the point where you realize how bad the matchmaking is" and well I'm at that point what the hell am I supposed to do. I either pubstomp every game or end up getting matched up against the best players in the world when my team doesn't even know how to play the game I pray for the day hi rez stops using trueskill
Me and my friends switch solo and dual lane so we have adc and support in solo and out soloer in dual lane....idk. it weird and we mess with the enemies😂
1:55 I think the worst type of toxic players in conquest are the type that THINK they know stuff, and bash anyone that's trying to reason with them because "No, how can you not know this?!! all caps, -insert swear word-"
Hey Duke, thanks for putting these videos together. I find a lot of other Smite UA-camrs give really loose guides or just stream, so we need someone who can put together good guides and give real advice and you fill that role really well. Keep them coming man, fantastic work.
*In the lobby phase*
Player 1: Solo
Player 2: Jung
You : Mid
Player 4: ADC
*Last 10 seconds*
Player 5: I can't play support WTF *Instalocks Thanatos*
*Lobby phase in a nutshell*
There came a point, months after I had hit level 30, where I realized I was no longer dealing with role-stealing and instalocking every other game. It happens once every ten or so games, and teammates actually call them out on it instead of going "w/e its just a game he can play what he wants stop sperging you autist".
I don't know what internal matchmaking algorithms there are for casual conquest, but I'm grateful they're working for me.
Can someone explain the roles like what solo and jungle and mid are supposed to do
Solo is usually played by a warrior or some specific assassins but I've seen guardians in there. They play in the solo or short lane, which is the shortest lane on the map. Mid is usually a mage and plays in the middle of the map. Jungle can be all sorts of roles and their jobs is to clear camps and gank, or ambush enemies in lane, giving their team the advantage.
Big bib
This is sooooooo relatable
I actually go mid and if someone wants to go mid then I will go support and if ever, someone goes support, I will go solo or jungle or adc depending on the god
Casual Conquest at lvl 30 is full of saltiness
Kyrsty P you want some fries with that salt xD
LOL
My first conquest was my last. Had people telling me to kill myself and saying I was useless even though I said my role and even stated it was my first round of conquest. They expect you to be pro apparently.
I am not trying to be a dick. But did you actually do ur role. And did u go into the right lane?
WhimsicalDuck I ran into this support who was all mad at me because I forgot to build shoes because I had to lock down dual lane when they backed and mid ganked. He kept saying I sucked and he was the smite guru.
He went 0-8 and I went 6-8. Saved him 5 different times and got a triple kill.
Thank goodness for this video! Trying to get into Conquest at level 30 is really hard.
Also, an additional tip for some: Practice vs AI doesn't help much for learning Conquest. You can familiarize yourself with jungle navigation, sure, but that's about it- the bots do not rotate and treat solo lane like a second duo lane. They're fairly dumb that way.
they also treat mid like duo2
if i play with easy AI against medium AI to try out new keybindings or stuff like that i usually end up in a game where my AI has a duo on that one lane that the opponent AI team only has 1 god resulting in having 2v1,2v2,1v2 lanes :/
Doing custom game lobbies has that problem too, yeah. The bots forget where they should go and you get really weird things.
Making a custom game can help. It lets you assign only three players to each team, to ensure you get a solo lane each time. And I think the AI has a higher setting. I'm probably wrong, but it still feels like the AI does a way better job.
Cheshire Cad Even then, they're still _very_ easily outplayed by any reasonable player. Also, the other bots will not rotate to help a teammate that's losing their lane, as a human team would/should do. Playing vs bots all the time will teach new players bad habits with rotating.
I want to get back into conquest, but the toxicity really kills all the fun that I have in this game...
Was conquest actually fun?
As opposed to every other game mode, it's so slow and i personally get distracted in all the downtime.
Not to mention sometimes games last over 60 min.
Zefo No I had a game last night that lasted over 80 minutes, we lost but had over 25 kills over them, Fuck waiting 80 plus seconds
yeah, after 45 min, it doesn't matter how many kills you had till then, if 2 of you die, the opp team can end.
Zefo No it sucks because we had so many chances to end it but they would come back within 15 seconds and they would all play heavy Phoenix
Zefo No why I rather play siege
this is a great video! As an experienced conquest player I am glad someone finally did this.
Oh shit, im early! Gotta make a joke.
Matchmaking. I always love it when i get ravaged by a 5-man premade.
That's to be expected in every MOBA game tbh. Just deal with it
David Valentine well any team-based game tbh.
TheNightEcho Mostly MOBA. If I was in something like call of duty against a 'pre made' I wouldn't really care. MOBA's definitely have a larger impact
David Valentine true true. Mainly games with large skill gaps, but I will say MOBA's have it worse then most other games.
its even better when you beat a 5 man premade with randoms :)
Many many players need to watch this video. I still see some level 30 players that think the duo lane is always on right for example ^^
I NEED TO MAKE SURE I SHOWN EVERYONE THAT'S BAD AT CONQUEST THIS. THANK YOU SO MUCH ❤❤❤
This literally covers everything you would need to know for starting!, great vid man, any hopes of a more advanced guide for players in gold or below looking to rank up? :)
Thank you! I haven't played conquest since amaterasu released due to work and school. Now I can without worrying about bm!
things to keep in mind
minions op
archers op
matchmaking op
potato servers op
ReadInIndianAccent the amount of truth in this comment
I typically turn on the auto-skill for gods I have pre-set ability-pathing on such as my adc pool with Jing Wei, Artemis and Anhur. Sometimes I'll turn it off if I'm not feeling confident but for the most part I think my auto-leveling is fine. :v Auto-build I typically always leave off because there is that scenario you mentioned where counter-building is a thing. My build for every game is almost always completely different from the previous build. Sometimes I'll try to rush Ichaival or Transendence first, sometimes I'll grab Death's Toll and a couple wards plus tier one of another item it really is a wildcard start for me depending on the enemy comp.
On Xbox, if you press Left Stick, you can call a role from the menu. Just thought that was a nice touch on Hi Rez's part.
this should just be something you can do on pc anyways, if u vgs before the game starts your options are the greetings and role call. which would be awesome
Same with PS4.
gaming wizard I suppose they just assume people will use the chat, which they don't. There are still lots of instalockers, but it just makes things easier
Young Jesus switch to savage it's better on PS4 AND Xbox
Young Jesus
When you say switch to chat do you mean mic? I'm on PS4 and I do kinda wish there was a text chat it the character select screen, but I don't think there is on console.
0:30 "Everyone will be clueless about how to play the mode"
...unless you're playing in AU, where you're likely to have 4 lvl 30s in your team and 1 lvl 5!
Anyway, great guide for new conquest players, with good info even for some lvl 30s who still forget doing some things.
I really, really don't envy anyone that has to play OCE matches. Those queue times+MM must hurt :/
Thank you!
DukeSloth Didn't expect the reply! Queue times are fine in AU too (I used to live and play in NA and they have fairly similar queues); the trade-off being that matchmaking can be outright terrible especially at off-peak times. Can't blame it due to the smaller player base here but unfortunately there's a lot of bm towards new players as a result, since they'll obviously end up feeding opponents with 1000 hours of total playtime.
Anyway just wanted to say really enjoy your vids - I watch streams and pro players' vids all the time but you make some of the most detailed guides that go right to the point.
FrizFroz Thanks a lot! :)
Why couldn't have made this video like a month ago? ;-; I'm still recovering from the traumatizing experience of my first conquest game...*shivers* I never wanna go back. Seriously, though thanks this helps a lot, still have a lot to learn though >~>
Far Cyzen
Far Cyzen I know how you feel ;-; you'll be ok xD
Haha sorry! :D I'd say give it another shot, ideally with some friends!
Lol cry more and get good or dont go back
I totally agree with Duke here, grab some friends that know the rules of conquest and try it again :)
This is alot of stuff for people who just want to get into conquest. Personally i think the hardest thing about conquest is the early game and you should espeially teach this for every role. Anyway nice video ; )
my first time playing con i said i was new and askad who i should play and they explayned everything to me but this helps more ;D
thx to both of u
Definitely a great video! Sharing the heck out of this to all my friends.
I'm coming from league and this helps soooo much! Very very well done!
Great video, love the content as always. I play smite on the Xbox one and all the videos and tips help out big time, keep up the good work!
Thank u dukesloth for this vid! It really helped me alot because i suck at conquest and never join it it for the reason that i will get bm (basically im scared) and also the fact that only one role that i can play.In pretty much new to this mode and still studying rotations,where to ward,VGS etc
Thnx and u earned a sub😊
Great video as always! But I have some more questions about the topic...
I usually play Guardians and end up in the support role whenever I play casual conquest (which is not often). One of my main issues is not knowing how to rotate. When should I expect to begin rotating? How do I recognize a rotation opportunity? After I rotate, should I stay for one minion wave or leave immediately? I also don't know when 'Early Game' ends and when 'Late Game' begins, or what those terms even mean. Is there a hard-and-fast rule about when to start grouping and team-fighting? If a skirmish starts somewhere else on the map, which roles are expected to rotate and help and which ones stay in lane and push objectives? Does this change at later times in the match?
Thanks again for all your help!
i'm not much help when it comes to all that because i'm only just starting conquest (i've been jousting for a very long time lol), but in con early game is (generally) minute 1 - 10, mid is 11 - 20 and late is anything after that. that is, if no one has fed or the team has not fallen extremely behind.
Most important tip i can offer before playing a conquest match is to watch a video or two of the God you plan on playing. Watch how they are typically used and learn some of their combos and builds. That will be a huge help to you and your team.
I can second this, this if only for the guy who was trashing med on mids, and Sloth didn't really go into it here, but there are some mid gods where Meditation is a necessity. Chang'e for example, will get Med in 90% of her mid games, both pro and amateur players will get med on her if playing mid and it'd be bad if someone saw this video, saw a Chang'e getting med and was like, "Fucking noob, DukeSloth said that Med is for fucking scrubs in mid."
If someone sees this video and starts using its information to verbally harass someone, it shows a lack of understanding far deeper than anything Duke can be expected to help.
And yeah, Chang'e with med is a stone-cold bitch. People still ask why I don't get teleport when I play her solo. Then they see what happens when I never have to back.
great guide. a lot of great suggestions to help people like me give it another try.
Great guide, will keep a lot of the tips in mind!
Something that helped me when starting is remembering that: Short Lane = Speed = Solo. Using this allows you to be on the correct side according to your role.
THANK YOU FOR FINALLY MAKING THIS VIDEO -level 30 joust player
your life sucks
"I can promise you....(Smite) is a lot of fun, until you get to the point where you realize how bad the matchmaking is" (DukeSloth, 2016)
so much truth in this one sentence
Thank you very much for this video and that about season 4, i hope that thanks to you i should have more courage now to play conquest. I'm such a scaredy cat, that i can't force myself to play it after my long break which was back in beta time (Ne Zha was new, i returned to Smite week before Bellona arrival), since my return due to complete lack of knowlege i was too scared to play conquest, despite missing it. So thank you, this videos are really helpful and courage building. And i know this video is old and there is tiny chance that youll read this, but maybe i'm wrong.
Sometimes the insta lockers can be fun, I was in a game, straight away I ping jungle and a neith and medusa insta lock, then a few seconds after a Jing Wei and anhur instalock, so just for fun and to have a full hunter team I went Ho yi jungler. You would never get a full hunter game like that with everybody knowing what to do and whereas it is annoying when the last person locks in a stupid God for a support it is fun to have things like that. Also goes with the motd where you can choose any God, it is very fun to have a full nox team all go into each other and burst out all on one person.
I don't buy potions as Jungle. I either clear the small xp camps for mana or just back. Always buy wards though. Especially if you're squishy or support. Solo doesn't need them as much, but it doesn't hurt to have them.
Great vid DukeSloth!!!
Someone who wants to get into lvl 30 conquest should know the 5 roles and what they do tbh. It's implied but still should've probably been at least mentioned. Still tho, I really like this vid
I started playing Smite (and other mobas) back when Smite was in closed beta, yet don't properly know how to play conquest or the same mode in other mobas. I understand roles but rotating, when to take objective X ganking, etc. are something I don't really know how to time right. Also that's the reason why I can't play jungler well, even though I love playing assassins
having auto level isnt all that bad
for example if i level up in the middle of a fight i wont have to divert my attention to what i want to level up or hitting the right button to level that ability
auto buy is a bad idea though i will give you that since it makes it impossible to counter buy
I Definitely regret leveling up in arena...
I use a controller so it s hard not to have auto level any tips on how I can load out my controller to level my ability with it.
See, things like this need to be official tutorials in game. I've been traumatized from conquest because my first match I instalocked ama nad got yelled at the whole match by the mid laner.
The meta is so strong in the game I think Hi rez ought to take step to info players more to avoid less people being sacred of conquest. But what do i know.
fun fact: my first conquest was absolute hell. i don't recall all the details and this wasn't like a ranked conquest but all that i can remember was that our opponents seemingly got to us out of no where and spent most of the time killing any god that left the camp as if we were in a nazi death camp.
it even reminded me of a game i had of multiplayer call of duty where seemingly are enemies knew where every spawn zone would be so they camped and killed anyone that respawned with automatic shotguns.
Can you also make videos like this for Siege and Clash?
props for adressing toxicity right away :D
@DukeSloth Would you say a lot of these requirements also apply to playing conquest on consoles? I am currently lv. 20 on smite, and a lot of your requirements I don't actually fit (for example I'm not that good at counterbuilding and I'm only really comfortable as mage, usually midlaning) yet I somehow do better than people on my team/ react better to situations. Perhaps this could be due to a drop in skill level between platforms?
Yeah, was gonna say that, don't compare yourself to the average console player. There are many players on console that came from non-moba cames and as such, are relatively clueless. Yet, they are performing relatively well as they're surrounded by an environment of similar players, so they don't need to change. You can easily rise above those by learning and understanding multiple roles and counterbuilding. The only things that don't apply afaik are muting because it's not possible and calling roles because the role calling system is different.
DukeSloth Ok, thank you for the feedback :)
I'm always confused in conquest of which parts of my builds should be staples and which parts of my builds need to be flex. Could you maybe go into that on a video or just give me some tips? I play jungle and mid mainly and any help would be appreciated.
Just in case someone rn is watching a little tip
Since you need 18 gods mastered to play ranked conquest make sure you have at least two or three on each class so if one of them gets banned your good, and you at least need to know their kit, some combos and what to build with them.
You know what i really love about conquest? duo fucking laning in mid. khumba ult into ra ult the whole damn game its really pleasing, especially when he fucking blinks at you while backing. enjoyable things
i would love to go back to conquest, when i first started i used to always play but now with all the updates i find it really lagging fps wise and also i load in late in some games and my team starts raging at me for that.
So in terms of exceptions for mid... When I use Anubis (haha shit tier I know) is it okay to go for T2 Bancroft's with two mana potions to start? Or should I do Vampiric Shroud? I do well with him, but don't bring him into ranked for obvious reasons.
while the T2 bancroft's does give a lot of power and the two mana pots as well as the lifesteal will help you sustain, you get more of it if you start vampiric shroud. the early game requires you to stay in lane and farm, and as anubis you'll probably be tower-hugging because any half-decent player will know to constantly gank him. you get more pots for sustain if you start with shroud, as well as getting the MP5 and extra health.
ducan you make a video about masamune?
DukeSloth, which is worse? Have a teammate that is purposefully feeding from the begginning, or a teammate that is just such trash they might as well be feeding and they rage about it? I had a game where one person died to the tower 3 times and blamed the rest of the team. and he was solo laner. Had another game where it was just 2 people who kept running into towers.
I personally dont mind if people dont know how to play conquest, im glad to teach em. As long as they arent asshats about it and like pick agni jungle, go 0 n 12 in ranked, and then say "lol it is just a game"
Can't say which is worse, it's like choosing between death by acid or fire. ;)
As someone who primarily plays assault,the rotations and warding are really what's fucking me up. The problem is, the main way to learn that is to play, but I'm a bit worried about playing without knowing that
I think ignoring the BM and not letting it get to you is a big part of playing casual conquest and solo queue, you even see pro players get Bm'd in those games.
*pro player dies*
rest of team: I THOUGHT YOU WERE GOOD STOP FEEDING
i have seen that many times on stream aha
a question why hirez wont do a asymmetrical map (if thats even what its called like lets say that the speed camps are not on the same side but on the opposed side like a zig zag of sorts like the speed camp will always be on the right side for example)? itll be easier for new players that didnt play any moba game before or new player that came from other mobas
D.K. Florian Invades would be harder, and the lanes would be flip flopped. solo lane for order would be on the right and it would be in the right as well for chaos... meaning that both lanes are shortened. It just wouldnt work.
lol uses top and bot because the lanes are the same, but since the lanes are different in smite to create a different dynamic that would not work
D.K. Florian and it would mess up the whole game and the meta of the game. This game has been out for 4 years, give or take. There are less and less new players, and changing the game, basically making it a new game, would really f*ck up the game for 90% of the player base.
In a nutshell, screw beginners, amiright?
that moment when you realize that your being selfish cuz i personally always get lost on the start of each game cuz i still dont know where is what and i main jungle XD yeah didnt think this one through
So adc normally buys wards? Cause i play alot of support and normally the one who buys them
Ok... but where do I learn all of this?
I've played conquest since I was a high enough level to be able to join it. I barely play arena,siege and clash.
Great video! Really helped
showing this to my friends who don't know what lane you go to
what about Senf Made buy chains?
Back in season 2 I only played conquest and it made up over 50% of my game mode queues. In season 3 I can barely even get into a conquest queue without having teams fight in the queue lobby over roles and insta-locking. The players who keep trying "experimental" builds kills it for me. I can understand some of their decisions, but to feed their lane and then leave while in middle of the match was a huge turn off to conquest for me this season.
so you said a lot about not using one build and mixing it up. I do that to an extent ( I play a lot of arena, new to conquest), but don't know every item and when to buy them. so how do you learn that skill? by practicing or?
also for auto buy and auto skill. I never use auto buy of course, but auto skill is tricky because it's hard to understand which to level. how do I learn that
and when in the game do you buy wards
You need to learn how to build/counter build to play conq but turning off auto skill feels situational to me. The game is generally already set to level you well (unless you're a character like Thor, Scylla, or Ah puch who need to point skip or ignore Ult)
scylla??? ignore ult???? r u crazy
+Lei - Ah Puch and Thor ignore Ult. Scylla point skips.
i use auto level with my abilities fixed in the god menus should i not?
TheXmacProject some gods you can get away with it, but gods with important heals, immunities or escapes are harder to do so. If you are playing against a very weak or passive player, you don't have to level your escape first, and can focus on damage. However, if they are being very aggressive or are just playing an aggressive God, you'll want your escape etc as soon as possible.
TheXmacProject you shouldn't
there can be times when it would have been better to lvl something else. Like merc you lvl his 1 for clear, you got invaded and killed, but if you had his 3 you could have gotten out, so i recommend learning when to lvl what ingame.
auto level has pros and cons, i personally started using it a while ago
you just need to know what you'll be leveling at which point with this system and turn it off if you know you might have to change it
basically, know what you'll be leveling and know if it's the right way to level in this situation, if it is you might gain a little bit out of it if you gain a level in combat, otherwise turn it off fast enough so it won't harm you in that one game
I am new to the game and when I try to play conquest I just get yelled at by my teammates for doing stuff wrong. I'm not really learning much. I know what not to do, but idk what to do instead
Hello, i am a level 15 in smite and still isnt that good and suck and usually get a lot of angry teammates i like anhur he seems good and i have a good build but i suck, any help?
Definitely sharing and retweeting this xD Too many noobs. Did you get tired of it and decide to make a video about Conquest? :P
Rampage Raptor was probably pretty requested
Didn't get tired of it, but was asked especially on twitch quite often, so I figured I might as well cover it in a comprehensive way once :)
I can't level up , I'm learning vital stuff when q ing with my friends but no one uses them in level 15 matchmaking , I have seen people leaving solo lane to go to the right lane just for a killsteal and it cost us a win
You guys ever noticed that when you taunt while walking with Zhong and then stop, the animation starts playing? It doesn't happen with other characters.
Coming from League wave managment can win you games and in smite no one seems to know or care about that. What slowpush means what freezing the lane means or just how to leave your lane before you rotate. Alot of people seem to just rotate without really clearing the wave and some seconds later the minions are suddenly under your tower damaging the tower and maybe even destroy it.
To be honest, minions in LoL are very different. Freezing waves is more rewarding as zoning in Smite only works when you have a MASSIVE lead, due to being close to an enemy already giving you part of the gold and full xp. Also, in Smite's midgame you can clear waves in Smite much faster and instead of stalling, you can make use of that time to rotate. The same thing isn't as easy in LoL, due to the map being a lot bigger.
Dadev well after playing both waves are less impact I've in smite that LOL but I get where your coming from
Dear duke sloth can you explain how damage on towers and phoneixes work because I notice that sometimes I do more or less damage to towers and phonexies
Velocity GD Towers and phoenixes have a lot of protection, penetration helps alot with killing them. If you build a titan's bane or an obsidian shard (which give you 33% penetration) you kill towers extremely quickly.
Bilal aka yea but if I have the same build some towers I do less damage to
Velocity GD Different gods have different amounts of base power. Every god also gains power each level. So either the God was different, or the level was different.
Bilal aka oh thx
its important if you hv the minion debuff on the tower your attacking --> means the tower shot a minion before you attacked it you will only deal 50% of your actual damage without
Can someone tell me how to get this "kukuian" thing Idc if it is a link or telling me I just want to know cos I got kuku4
Just me, or are there a bunch of missing frames and skipping issues?
I know it's off topic and maybe random....but you should make a top tier list for ranked duel 😅💯 it would be much appreciated 😬
I want to get into conquest but I usually become very frustrated. I rage after a game or two and head back to arena. I know conquest is the best mode but I do not really enjoy it. The game is not "fun" when I play conquest. Maybe I can give it another go in season 4.
I love 1h conquest matches.If u play that long that mean equal team and that mean good fight.
on consul there is a way to call
i use auto skill, but i set it my self because to get a skill during a fight i have to hit two buttons at once cause i cant change it and that fucks me up
why is auto-skill so bad? i.e. when the "level-up" is blinking, i can't see if the ability is on CD or not. so is set up my skills in god builder and run with auto-skill.
while that is all well and good, if you set a before a game there's a chance the comp you or the enemy has may need you to change which abilities you level.
Thanks for this very usefull video! ^^
Can yall tell me how long it took you to get use to conquest?
sailornaruto39 a LOT, just a few months ago maybe 2-3 (been playing for like 6-7 months) i started to understand builds and roles
I've really only played conquest since I started playing smite back in April of this year I mean I also play clash and siege every now and then but I'm a conquest player. It was the first game mode I played and my favorite. Even that being my main game mode, it still took a good month to two months to truly understand it and git gud. Just remember roles are extremely important and find what role you're good at and try to call it at the beginning of each game
THANK YOU SO MUCH
man u really rock !! keep it up
tips and stuff for low lvls is good and all, but can we get something for the "expert" players pls... we haven't gotten anything for the old players for a long time
Sirzechs Gr go watch a pro smite game and watch the role that you want to excel in and watch what they do because pros always do it best
If your an expert player, your not in the need of tips. And can only really learn from somone of even higher skill level. I.E. just watch the the professionals
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if someone if bming u ask what ur doing wrong...
if the guy just replies "F. u" ok just mute him. but if he says what u are doing wrong, plz LISTEN and CHANGE
make a vid on point skipping (in abilities)
I have a friend who will only build items when they have enough for the t3....
it was funny. I main support and once the two guys wanted to be jungles. they both ended up leaving me to duo alone where they had a three v two against the solo and later got mad at me for dying constantly. it wrecked my thoughts of junglers
I'm gonna copy and paste this link in chat whenever someone instalocks now :)
Yea nice vid bud but 12:25 - 12:33 DAAAAAAAAAAAAAYYYYUUMM THAT OUT PLAY THO!!!!!! THATS A AWILIX MASTERY LVL 10 RIGHT THERE GUYS!!!!!! MLG PLS PLS NERF DUKESLOTH TOO OP XDDDDDDD
Johnx140 he still died
True but the fact that he still managed to kill the Sun Wukong who was more-or-less at full HP is still impressive
I played a little bit of conquest when I was a lower level. At higher levels and at level 30 I never played it. First time playing it at level 30, I went mid as Nu wa.. 0/12/6 D:
SmiteGuy is around somewhere in the comments...
U the man duke
"until you get to the point where you realize how bad the matchmaking is" and well I'm at that point what the hell am I supposed to do.
I either pubstomp every game or end up getting matched up against the best players in the world when my team doesn't even know how to play the game
I pray for the day hi rez stops using trueskill
Where's the Tyr rant tho? I wanna see it badly lol
Did he mention one ? Have I missed something ?
Me and my friends switch solo and dual lane so we have adc and support in solo and out soloer in dual lane....idk. it weird and we mess with the enemies😂
1:55 I think the worst type of toxic players in conquest are the type that THINK they know stuff, and bash anyone that's trying to reason with them because "No, how can you not know this?!! all caps, -insert swear word-"
"Terrible mid, won't clear harpies with me"
_tried to take harpies while there was still a minion wave to deal with_
Yep I'm trying to learn support and had a salty Neith yelling at me all game even though they were just running into fights and went 6-19 lol
i saw someone insta lock hera into the role of jungler and i felt a little bit of me dying on the inside.
I went into a Conquest once. Played Kukulkan mid. Game got to about the 45 minute mark. Had to go eat dinner. Came back and match was still going...
Blake Phillips did you win?
do one one rotations
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