Understanding Genesis: Jacob
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- Опубліковано 28 вер 2024
- Friends, today we continue our "Word on Fire Show" series on how to understand Genesis by focusing on Jacob, the son of Isaac and a patriarch of the ancient Jews.
How should we understand his early struggle with Esau, the famous "Jacob's ladder," and his mysterious wrestling match and name change? That's what we discuss today.
A listener asks, why is it that we just got this information from God, from the Bible, only 2,000 years ago? What happened to all those people who lived before the Bible?
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Life is messy, it's not easy, it has turbulence and some difficult and tensed times, and we are called to struggle amidst all of those to hold on to God who is ever faithful toward us to the very end. We do what we can do, and we hang on to Him who has every thing under His command.
Speak Lord, Your servant listens. Amen.
@Thoska Brah keep going
Jacob & Esau coming back together as loving siblings after their separation echoes every sibling relationship ever, which I find really wholesome.
Your own siblings are fortunate to have the gift of you in their lives. I do guess you have wonderful siblings☆
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Toxic: not so. Sibling rivalry is a most unnatural state that is particularly prevalent in societies where discord, conflict and belligerence are inherent, such as the US, where, naturally, sibling rivalry is viewed as 'normal'.
Very different is the brother-to-brother relationship in a number of south-east Asian and north-east Asian societies, where boys tend to grow up tightly and happily bonded!
Praised be Jesus! Thanks to you Bp Barron for educating us in the faith and wisdom of the Lord.
We are very grateful to God because of you. More power and best wish of good health and protection to you.
Thank you, Bishop Barron. You are a great Bible teacher for the world - articulating clearly for us the message of stories in the Bible!
The mans only skill is his ability to talk made up bs, at which he excels
This message really hit me, for I have a twin brother, and I love him more than anything.
That was a beautiful sermon Bishop. Thank you Bishop and thank you for your insights as well Brandon.
Thank you, Bishop Barron!!!!!
17:53 this has been heavy on my mind lately. Thank you for this podcast !!
Thanks for your conversation about this topic on Esau and Jacob. As an African Catholic baptized in the church in 1960,I was moved by this same story when I listened to another angle offered in a sermon delivered by the late Archbishop Fulton J. Sheen under the title "The Stranger within" . I can sense the theological relationship in his and your explanation on the story. Could I be right in my observation eventhough he was more lengthy in his explanation compared to your brief version with the host during the interview on the same topic? I ask because since listening to Bishop Sheen's sermon on "The Stranger within",I came to somewhat understand a little more the lesson in Jacob's encounter with the stronger wrestling opponent who wounded him. Please teach me with a response. Thanks.
“Get in there and wrestle!!” 🙌🏻💫🙏🏻👊🏻
I LOVE the picture of Jacob as Nice Art
I’m an addict. I pray for guidance for becoming a better Catholic
I’m a pro wrestler unfortunately. (Not literally)
Can we all pray for each other
Peace be with you
How you holding up bro?
Love this video a lot. Thank you Bishop Barron. God Bless you and may Our Holy Mother watch over you 🙏🏼🇻🇦 .
I feel like I've stopped wrestling with God as I need to. Thanks for this lesson
Can we have a video for the assisted living workers and the elderly that live in these facilities during these difficult times
Israel not only means, Struggle with God but also means, Let God Prevail.
I searched for understanding Jacob because he baffles me. You haven't gotten to the point of the story that concerns me most yet, and I don't know if you will. I'm a little over halfway through the video and I have to go, so I'm going to have to return to this video another day lol. But my concern is that Jacob lied to his father to steal his brother's blessing at the insistence of his mother! That all seems bad. But I can tell it's meant to be that it's God's will, I just can't see how or why. Hopefully this video will address it
Please more scripture study content! Especially old testament, the real guts of the books like Kings.
Just a technical point, the text about Jacob, Leah, and Rachel, more likely indicates that he was able to marry Rachel right after marrying Leah, but had to agree to work another seven years for Laban. Gen 29:27-30
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Is Jacob's story one of the only times in the story that sleeping is a good thing, which doesn't simply mean unawareness?
The wisdom gained by dreaming seems to negate the unawareness of sleep. Or maybe sleeping and dreaming are a juxtaposition of awareness and unawareness. Or does it imply a wisdom you have at some level, but haven't quite figured out yet?
SO sufferings ever with me as with Jesús Christ so who's can follow us me ever
Interesting video. But I feel religion is often just all talk and theory. I’d love to see more practical stuff of God at work in our world. Happy Christmas 🎄
I’m glad we have priests that engage the endeavors of the mind hence we have a priest George Lemaitre that came up with the Big Bang theory ( beginning of the Universe). On the practical side, in the third century it was CATHOLIC Christians who ushered the need for hospitals because of rampant diseases. God bless you 🕯✝️🕯
Unfortunately he fell at the end
It was explained to me that Jacob's experiences and difficulties with his father in law was a sort of karma for his earlier dirty dealings with Essau.
Karma is not a vocabulary in Christianity. Christ's the King crucified paid for it all.
@@mariamatusiewicz4280 using it for what it implies illustratively; not as an actual doctrine. As in"what goes sround comes around" or "reap what you sow."
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Mattew 23:8-10
8 But be not ye called teachers. for one is your Teacher, even Christ. 9 You are all brothers. And call no man father upon the earth. for one is Father, which is in heaven.10 And be not ye called masters. for one is your Master, even Christ.
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I prefer invincible ignorance-its my best shot at avoiding Hell.
It's like; calling God out, only to have him actually show up with two angels, while you stand in judgment, basically flex on you then pat your head in forgiveness and do the cosmic version of a selfie with you; your left completely free and all star struck trying to figure out if it's because he broke or fixed you. 😆 🤣
God is in charge not man. But why then give us intellect and the freewill to choose to do knowing some men go astray? Lord God, am sorry my questions may be wrong and sinful one.
He took the place of Esau
Since when do you need a whole course to find out what makes human beings so special?
It should be beyond simple! ... For starters, the ability to tell morally right from morally wrong and then choose between them.
That is quite a feat, and i know of no other species that can even know what that means!
Then, equally important, the capacity to reason, to discern true from false. ... Again quite an achievement, and again we are alone there.
Next, as far as Christians are concerned, God became a man, not a dolphin or an oak! And He died and resurrected for us human beings, not for hummingbirds or leaf-cutter ants.
Seems to me more than enough to make us special!
My take on Jacob: He started out as a mama's boy, but struggled in his life to obtain his masculine identity, which he eventually achieved. And his problems in this regard apply to a lot of men today who are raised by single mothers and the like. Jacob's problems begin with the apparent schism of his parents, it even says that Rebecca and Isaac lived in separate tents. So then, each parent seemed to gravitate to one child, maybe to fill in the void of the lack of marital relationship. So Jacob was a mama's boy, a "sissy." He stayed in the tent with his mother, like a lot of boys today who have no idea of how to be masculine because they live isolated with their mothers. Jacob was highly unusual for the time in that he did things like cooking, etc. Life is tough for the mama's boy, and Jacob was the "Rodney Dangerfield" of the Bible. He didn't "get no respect." It's really hard to pinpoint the most humiliating episode of Jacob's early life, there were so many to choose from. Maybe it was when he had to sneak around with his mother to steal the blessing, and then run with his tail between his legs to avoid Esau's ire. Or maybe it was his wedding day, when Leben tricked him into marrying Leah, and Leben and the wedding guests, and even Rachael, were all laughing at him behind his back. Even Rachael! The woman he loved and thought loved him, too.
Life is tough for the mama's boy, and people often laugh at them and ridicule them. I can imagine Leben's thoughts when Jacob first appeared at his doorstep, or tent flap. Leben was probably thinking, "Great! My sister has sent me her sissy son, and now what am I supposed to do with him? Another mouth to feed! He better not try to get my daughters, or I'll kill him before Esau ever gets the chance!" So Leben began whipping Jacob into shape, but not in a loving way. And this is what most mama's boys experience, the cruel world out there, ready to ridicule them, and to take advantage of them. It would have been better for Jacob and other boys today in the same situation if they had a loving father to show them how to be a man. But Jacob didn't have that. And neither do an alarming number of boys today, some 60% of boys are raised in single-mother households. And please don't blame women for this--that's what Adam has been trying to do since the Garden, trying to blame his own failings on Eve. (It's amazing to me that so many, including many in the church, criticize women for everything from not being submissive to not wearing a doiley, ah, er, I mean a veil--but have nothing to say about the fathers who completely abdicate their responsibilities as a parent.) But Jacob persevered. Many boys today do not, particularly in the black male community. I'm thinking of the worst case scenario, the Norman Bates character in "Psycho," who so resents his life as a social misfit that he resorts to murder and mayhem.
The Bible gives a three point action plan for the development of the mama's boy: 1.) Separation from the mother--the mama's boy has to go "cold turkey" like Jacob when he had to depart after stealing the blessing. Some ancient societies recognized that it was important for a boy not to be constantly with his mother. Medieval societies separated the boy from the mother at about age 8, and so did the civilization of Sparta. But a separation from the mother later in life can also work--Jacob was probably in his teens when he had to make a hasty retreat from his mother. Today, that need could be filled then by a mandatory draft of teenage males starting at age 18. 2.) A male example, preferably a friendly source who cares about the boy--which Leben was not; nevertheless, he was better than nothing. 3.) A woman who turns the mama's boy on sexually and who isn't too easy to get--in Jacob's case, this need was filled by Rachael.
Absent the opportunity for these three points, Catholicism also offers another route for the mama's boy, and I think that is in the life of St. Martin DePorres, whose father also abandoned the family. on top of that, DePorres also had to deal with all the prejudices of his being half black. So DePorres developed a level of compassion and supernatural healing ability, even for animals, as a result of his personal suffering. And, like Jacob, DePorres also eventually accomplished a lot, being appointed as a priest, even though, at that time, that option was not open to black men, the superiors at his parish saw how great he was and said the heck with the prejudices.
The mama's boy is not necessarily a low achiever. Some famous mama's boys who achieved a lot: President FDR and Andrew Carnegie and J. Edgar Hoover.
Great comment! Speaking as a woman married to a man who calls mama every single day...
Thank you for this UA-cam! I needed to hear this TODAY! Just stumbled into this UA-cam! I have been struggling with Our Lord! I have not given up on Our Blessed Lord. I am just in a struggle but I continue to cling to Christ! Thank you for this UA-cam Bishop Barron and Brandon! GOD BLESS BOTH OF YOU!
Seeing myself in the biblical characters brings truth to who I am and explains some of my wrestling. Thank you Bishop Barron and Brandon for such enlightening conversation. Thank God for the technology that allows so many people open to listen to this way of teaching and learning, and to live in accordance with the Word as best as we can. All glory to Him.
That's a great comment☆ Indeed we do have much to give thanks and praise and glory to God☆ God bless everyone☆☆
Seriously thank god for technology? How about thanking god for getting rid of cancer in babies, oh wait thats not happened
@@scoops2382 , I know. It's hard to understand that God doesn't act as a sort of a wizard with a magic wand in the ways we fashion for we try to make God in our image and do what we want. That's not what God is.
Where may God be when a baby is battling cancer? In the doctors and nurses assisting the child. In the support, be emotional, material, a service from others. The random acts of kindness given to the mom and dad or principal caregiver. In the meal prepared by a neighbor, relative or whoever. In the prayers. In the whatever relief, consolation or accompaniment that may be offered to the family. Life has rough and painful periods, that's a reality that no one escapes. We can cope better, deal with those difficult times when we experience the caring and gentleness of others, just because they feel prompted to do it, no strings or expectations attached. That's where God is.
If I am grateful for technology is because I appreciate, even vaguely, the intelligence and ingenuity of the minds who came up with the means to connect people in times of a pandemic.
@@marthap4833 its not hard to understand, its very simple, god does absolutely nothing physically quantifiable to help but you suggest god has influence in a kind gesture or in a great dr? Is that correct? If your honest you have no idea what/if a god has any interaction with at all, no one does there is nothing quantifiable thats why you need blind faith
@@scoops2382 going back to the source of this thread, being grateful is a choice I make. Twenty years ago I took it as a life exercise to reflect about what I was grateful for and wrote it down. Little I knew the impact those exercises would have in the quality of my world view, even hard stuff. It led me to a much better place on how to live my life and be to others.
Peace to you Scoops 23.
i recall a moment on the golf course . i teed up on a long par four . my drive was a dud ,hit a tree bounced close to the forest line l about 230 yds from the hole . for some mysterious reason rather than getting angry I just said 'oh well this is where God wanted me to be ' Than i picked up my three wood and hit the best shot of my life ,about a inch from the hole . i smiled and said ' Thanks God "
Love learning more about scripture by listening to bishop barren. Thank you so much for everything you do!
I had to wade in into 3 minutes until the topic started. 3 MINUTES OF UNRELATED INTRODUCTION!
It shows the lack of seriousness & the value you have for our time.
I see you are trying your hardest to make things better.
I'd rather you hear relevant criticism from me; rather than seeing you ask yourself why some people don't attend your work
Since the 'wrestling with the angel' Jacob walked limping. And he had a new name, Israel. *Our own natural powers ought to be weakened by God for him to use us. It's also the mark of the Cross.*
That's it, Mary. In our weakness we're more prone to be open to grace. It hurts, lots, but through His wounds we're redeemed.
It's a fearsome thing to fall
into the hands of a living God
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Please pray for all of humanity. We need God more than ever today.
It seems Mr. Pageau’s “patterns” are making an impact on you, Bishop. :)
Has Bishop Barron reviewed the Matthew Kelly book “Life is Messy”?
"The Kingdom of God is like a Mustard seed that someone took and sowed in the garden; it grew and became a tree and the birds of the air made nests in its branches."
- JESUS (Luke 13:18-19)
Does Brandon have a yt channel? He’s great 🙏
Yes he too seems knowledgeable enough for his own channel✝️👍🏼
I'm wrestling with sin :(
Dear brother in Christ, we stand right next to you, wrestling as well.
You'll change your behaviour when you desire to change and not before.
Praise the Lord. Have mercy on sinners.
This is what we should hear in our homily on Sunday service a relationship of OT in our current situations! Excellent
Thank you, Bishop Robert Barron, Brandon, and Word on Fire team for your love of scripture and God. We need more individuals like this. Thank you Lord for your love, grace and compassion!
Just an awesome explanation. Bishop Barron your insights are just fabulous. Love from India
Praise The Lord!
Who wrestled with God great topic well explained. Some details which we did not think of.
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Thank you
Thank you, Bishop!! Please pray for me 🙏🙏🙏!! I will pray for you 🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏!!
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Well the good Lord has given us another good message through the Bishop, thanks so much! This could be preached across Christiandom!
Twins in ancient times were considered extremely special. Heck, even back in the 1920s they were special. My mother was a twin, and she said that when her mother wheeled them down the street, people made much of them.
For every Old Testament story, you have to understand the significance of every aspect of that ancient time period in order to understand what God meant. What significance were twins in that ancient culture? I don't see how any average person can ever get to God.
Excellent application of the Biblical story to our spiritual struggle. Paul, too, in the 12th Chapter of 2Corinthians loses to God. Are those who were born before Christ saved? Time is relative. The 365-day calendar exists only on earth. The concept of time in Black Holes is meaningless. In Quantum Physics time can be slowed, stopped and reversed.
I do understand why we suffer and there is no mystery about it.
First off, we suffer because we do wrong. And since we are all one body, the more wrong we do, the more we ALL suffer. We are not isolated from one another.
As C S Lewis puts it: if most people left behind their bad tempers, their selfishness, their greed, their deceitfulness, their malice, asf, within a few years natural disasters, disease, crime and accidents would all dwindle!
God has nothing to do with it. It is our own fault. We are free to act, and free to reap the consequences of our actions.
Then, one also suffers in order to get to know oneself as one really is. It is in hardship that one gets to realize his virtues and shortcomings.
Next, one suffers in order to improve, in order to correct mistakes, and to grow in wisdom, patience, strength, forebearance, asf.
One also suffers in order to give others the opportunity to perform acts of love and charity.
And one suffers in order to learn to sympathize with others, to better understand and value Christ's sacrifice, and to learn to be grateful for the blessings one does enjoy.
Thank you Bishop Barron and Brandon, i just love listening to both of you on Word on Fire show. And Thank you Bishop Barron for talking to us about Jacob. GOD bless you both. Stay safe ➕❤
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Thank you Word on Fire
I understood My Martyr way much time ago SO when i could i fought with Godself cause all My life alike
Jacob always Patriarchs right i born February 6 always Saint Miki and martyr partners all life
If you listen to someone who knows the Hebrew linguistic nuances of those passages, the connection to the creation story, and the story Jesus, and the story of the Jewish people all align in a way that is truly stunning and deeply endearing to the struggle the Jewish people have faced through history and the struggle between good and evil.
Thank you Bishop Bob
But SO the Angel of God can't helped Jacob fighting so sad
I Saw all as son and daughters from Godself SO i took away mistake
My MM, my mom, was always cautioning me about my talent to be a future thinker.
Heating the sin loving LOVE
They could baths at Rivers 7 times
I could kick Jacob for wait God's Will
This has been so enlightening, thank u!
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Bishop: You think God's gonna do whatever you want?
Me: Yeah...
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Praise be Jesus Christ, I m thankful to you bishop Barron and Mr Brandon for sharing with us this great knowledge 🙏❤️👍🎄⛄👏
3 genres - BODY, MIND, HEART - "The infinite distance from bodies to minds is an image of the infinite distance from minds to charity, because supernatural. All worldly power is nothing for those seeking the mind. Great minds are invisible to kings, to the rich. Geniuses have their empire and have no need of worldly greatness. They are seen, not by eyes, but by minds. Saints have their empire seen by God and not by bodies or minds. Jesus." - PASCAL
Life's survival energy divide into 2 , One is only self benefit Angle only Frome, 2nd is his circle benefit views according self including also . And it is partition point for include order of second for include rest of those whoo needs also benefit, are only freedoms and right of rest populations as cooperative. No fighting atmosphere. Is wishing his Kingdome.
Jesus came from one of Leah's sons. Was it a mater of trust, discipline, or patience. To what extant does the evil one cause change via concupiscence. God can give grace or The Holy Spirit to any one at any point in time. If a pattern had to be for all 12 son's to be of significance. My belief or thought is the 12 apostles were defendants of Jacobs sons. A pattern of righteousness due to maybe Jacob's enduring patience.
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Jordan Peterson taught me everything I need to know about Genesis..... :P
I realy Like the way you bring out concept from thé bible in a philosophy ´s way
God bless you father, saludos desde Colombia.
It would be fantastic if Bishop Barron REALLY knew as much as he claims so self assuredly to know. His confidence exceeds his reality.
Give me an example.
@@BishopBarron Love you Bishop!
@@BishopBarron you speak from faith, not fact. You’re very knowledgeable, but your assertions are assertions primarily of faith, which is certainly understandable as faith is your business..I understand your confidence as well, because your assertions need a confident articulate presentation for even the faithful to buy them. You’re a salesman, and a very good one. I respect your skill as a teacher and orator. I just think your confidence in your message often exceeds the practical reality of the message. You believe totally what you say though, and I respect you for it. I just don’t believe man is capable of understanding God. I know that in my response I did not cite specific examples things you’ve said that I believe are faith and not fact based, but I will soon. I just wanted to attempt to clarify my initial response to you. Peace to you Your Excellency
The Talmud, Your Excellency, mentions that Esau killed Nimrod for sport. Nimrod stole the vestments of Noah, the same vestments that Adam was given by the Holy Trinity.
Is that the one that slanders members of The Holy Family?
@@fool1shmortal no the Talmud is a Jewish record that delves into the Old Testament more and was written before the Incarnation
Thank you Bishop Barron and Brandon. “Come to me, all who labor and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest. Take my yoke upon you, and learn from me, for I am gentle and lowly in heart, and you will find rest for your souls. For my yoke is easy, and my burden is light.” Matthew 11:28-30. Life is a struggle either with the cruel and haughty world or with the gentle and humble God. The Love of God willed that choice be ours to make.
Let’s Go Brandon?
I think the question was; what happened to the people who came before Christ?
Maybe a different phasing would be; where did the souls of humans who died prior to the resurrection go? And where are those souls now?
Nice theory Bishop. Not reality based unfortunately.
Wow! This is so wonderful!! Thank you Bishop!
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Its interesting you say that God comes down to the mountain and we walk up and the two meet. Jesus walked up the mountain carrying the cross, he traveled to God the way the rest of us do.
Jacob never gave up the fight that night. He was showing God a sign that he was determined to receive his inheritance. In the end God seemed happy to receive Jacob’s sign. We should be like Jacob. Show God signs that we greatly desire to receive our inheritance in heaven.