Canon C200 - Hands On Review
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- Опубліковано 25 сер 2024
- Canon have released the C200, bringing 4K raw, 100 fps slow motion and touch screen controlled autofocus to the Cinema EOS lineup. We were lucky enough to get some hands on time with the new camera, and used the opportunity to share with you all our thoughts.
Canon C200: www.proav.co.uk/canon-eos-c200-4k-cinema-camera
We have uploaded some original footage straight from the camera for you to have a look at and try out. Please bear in mind that this is from a pre-release camera and so image improvements might be made by the time the camera ships.
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Main Camera - Canon C300mk2
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Lens - Sigma 18-35mm f1.8
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Audio - Sennheiser AVX-ME2 Set
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Monitor / Recorder - Atomos Shogun Flame
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You're very good at reviews man. Subbed. Hope to see more like this from you soon!
Thanks! Glad you like them
We make videos every week pretty much
Carl
The best overview video of the C200 I've watched.
Thanks!
Carl
Excellent summary. I'll be interested to see more about this, as a C300 Mk II owner.
Glad you liked it William.
Its a great camera
Carl
Great first look.
Thanks
Carl
Very Interesting move by Canon. The high FPS is great, RAW wasn't something I was thinking about for this camera but, a very welcome addition.
The screen/XLR placements, have to be the best thing I'm seeing here. Ergonomics & usability is always one of Canon's strong suits(along with color science) and this seems to take it up a notch.
My guess is this will initially be priced at ~$10,000. If this is priced much higher, that seems odd to compete directly with their own C300 mkii......and it can't be lower than 8g's....right?....I mean, this is Canon after all.
UK pricing is here: www.proav.co.uk/canon-eos-c200-4k-cinema-camera
Screen is nice to use, always felt I could see it and access it from any position which is what you want.
Carl
Johnny Coughlin its $7,500 for the full kit. $6,000 for the body alone.
$6000 is for the C200B, a different model with no EVF.
Cracking work as always guys!
Thanks, glad you liked it
Carl
good video.....thanks especially for offering file downloads to help compare.
No problem.
Carl
I am looking forward to seeing how much highlights and shadows in raw can be recovered.
Same. Video will be coming soon!
Carl
I would not expect much form canon in this aspect. Want high DR - buy sony or blackmagic
Great review
Thanks
Carl
Looks really good!
Thank you for explaining the file size in Raw, I've been trying to resolve how much footage I get on a terabyte external drive, thank you for explaining it.
Great review!
Thanks!
Carl
Fantastic review... Thankyou!!
Glad it helped
Carl
We had one useful bit.. the AF working. To see the codec you should throw the footage in an NLE (aka resolve) and show where it goes..
Currently no software can support the raw as its so early in pre production. So I have a whole load of raw footage which I cant open yet. As soon as the software is there i'll make a video on the raw footage dont worry!
Carl
Hi ProAVTV, with the release of this model I must be honest - I am excited. The 4K Raw option is awesome to have for the bigger jobs, and well, Ill be more keen on the XF-AVC when it arrives over the MP4 any day. My question that I have is regarding the 1080p 120fps.. From all the videos that I have seen so far, it seems that the image is very soft (reminiscent of the 5D days).. Would you reckon an external recorder for this mode will solve this (meaning 1080p at 120fps in ProRes 422), or would the XF-AVC do the job just fine later on? If an external recorder is the route to take, which one would you recommend? Thanks in advance, Dan.
Hi Daniel
You wont get 100 fps out over the HDMI i'm afraid. So an external monitor wont work. No word on whether the XFAVC will be able to do it so we will have to wait and see for that.
Canon always said with the C300 II, that the only way they could get sharp high quality slow motion was to crop in on the image. I assume thats what we are seeing here with the C200 using the full sensor for 1080p slow motion.
Carl
Thanks for the reply! Very helpful. Cheers, Dan.
Hi Carl, When you are able to 'develop' the raw data could you give some detailed technical info on the computer platform power along with the software used and the time taken? I have seen reports of Canon Raw Developer taking 30 mins to process 128 GB into ProRes - obviously on a Mac. It would be very useful to know if Canon Raw Developer 2 has any batch processing capability, not so helpful for the 'look' but for conversion to a 'normal' codec which could perhaps be done overnight for those who have the time luxury. Your comments on the quality of the images is also something I'm looking forward to with great anticipation! It would be very useful if Canon produced some videos about learning how to use their new raw data stream and released the user manuals asap. For me the superb auto focus is a very attractive offering at this price point and the focus pull on your talent's walk to camera was impressive, as has been reported elsewhere. Cheers. Bob.
I will do, the problem at the moment though is that most editing software doesn't support it fully yet. So any video I make will go out of date very quickly.
Carl
Thanks!
Your welcome
Carl
Hi Carl, bit tricky, isn't it? Trying to show the wonders of raw via You Tube! I guess we all ought to come along to ProAv's showroom. You will have tea and bikkies available, now won't you? Joking aside, the best thing will be for you to give us an honest assessment of what the results look like on a high end monitor - I think you have built up s welcome reputation for giving balanced assessments. When you do cover Canon Cinema Raw Light perhaps you could give a short walk through of the 'development' software? Cheers. Bob.
Your welcome in the showroom any time, and you may laugh, but yes there is tea and bikkies!
It certainly is difficult. I will do an overview of Canons software and show it working in other software once they are updated to support the format. Got a few other C200 videos in the works as well.
Carl
they need something between the raw and the 8-bit!! 10-bit man!!
+Borderland Films It would be fantastic. But I think it's unlikely. After all that's what the C300 II is for
Carl
Hi Carl, me again. Now got Resolve working on a several year old but at the time high spec i7 (now Windows Ten) machine (set up for astro photography). I can read in the .crm files, play with them and output as, please forgive me, MP4. So far all works smoothly and I'm a happy bunny. Have n't tried noise reduction yet! Thank you yet again for all the effort you put in, it really is very helpful and I think the chances of me coming down to HH for some bikkies just went up quite a bit. Bob.
+Robert Hawtin Glad you have something that works for now until more support is announced. Your more than welcome in the showroom anytime.
Carl
Thank you as a C300mkII user, this will be a great 2nd B camera or even A-roll camera for slow motion. Would love to see the Cinema Raw light 12 bits, will you able to link the raw footage for us to grade in the future. Thank you.
We are waiting for a beta firmware of canons raw software. Once I get that I will make a video on the raw files & what they are like. Hopefully wont be long!
Carl
Any pressure we can put on Canon for XF-AVC 10bit 4.2.2 in Q1 2018 would be hugely appreciated!
That would be great. No word from canon yet, although I am personally expecting the XFAVC to be 8 bit.
Carl
Morgan Evetts its probably not gonna come until they announce the C300mk2 replacement. otherwise I dont see why they keep it out of the body now. its seems to me to be a move for things to come.
Thanks for the info! Australian user, I've been hanging on to my C100 good and proper and it still does beautiful images, it's ergonomically a great camera.. they picked up a few point with the mark II from the I (unusable view finder, not much articulation with the screen, no internal mic on the body) that made it a no-brainer if you didn't already have a Mark 1, though I wasn't going to spend $18-22k on a C300 MKII, I won't justify it.. that said, likely $15k for the c200? I'm so excited to get into 10+ bit colour space and have the option of high speed and 4k for punching in on interviews.. looks like 15 minutes on a 128gb CFast 2.0 for 4k recording... I've just found 256 gb CFast 2.0 cards on shopbot for $1,399 aud?? x 2 for dual slot recording.. peh media.. would need 4 at least.. or I'm thinking I'll pair it with the new Atomos Sumo for set pieces and plug in SSD's .. Samsung 850 EVO 1TB's are $400 AUD? Yay time for a DIT
Price wise I'm finding Body only C100 mkII $6,180 / C300 mk II $18,635 at Lemac Film & Digital though looking online, $7,699 GBP so into AUD 13239.78 (+ GST?) .. $14,562
Still shitty on the shoulder without a bunch of accessories though the XLR inputs are on the body now
Oh.. it's not doing dual slot recording for the CFast.. 1 slot only.. hmmm.. though proxies to the SD which I'll likely live on for long form interviews anyway :D
First impressions rather than review it's only been a few days since launch....... Anyway Nice camera 🎥
True, more in depth thoughts will come
Carl
I bought a c300mk2 3 months ago... I'm in agony...
Impale ugh! I bet!
Dont worry! C300mkII is a great camera with some fantastic recording codecs internally.
Carl
Thanks you for replying Carl, i'm not so much worried about the fantastic performance of the c300mk2, i'm more concerned about the XFAVC 10bit update the c200 is already scheduled to get and wondering why the 8bit slow motion capabilities can't also be shared with the c300mk2 - having the 8bit MP4 60fps 4K and non crop 120fps would help a lot.
The ability to buy & use the touchscreen module for the c300mk2 would also be fantastic.
Completely agree, and i've asked canon if they will be adding all of that to the C300 II, but they dont know yet.
They havent specified though whether the XFAVC coming to the C200 will be 8 or 10 bit though, and my moneys on 8 bit.
Carl
The image seems soft compared to c300 mark II. Am I the only one thinking that?
Really nice Camera!
Is there a possibility to mount the screen on top or on the side of the camera without the top handle?
Yes you can
Carl
Can anyone answer how the extended nd (8/10stops) looks? Is it useful or is there bad colour shift etc. Thoughts.
It’s one of the main reasons I would choose this camera over the c100mii
Any plans to make your test footage available for download? I'd love to play around with the 100mbps MP4 footage to see how it holds up to grading.
We have uploaded some original footage straight from the camera for you to have a look at and try out. Please bear in mind that this is from a pre-release camera and so image improvements might be made by the time the camera ships.
You can download the footage here: www.dropbox.com/sh/g99sjyywq79sgmu/AAAFznyQCMfwPt9qzpRwR_B9a?dl=0
Carl
Thanks! I'm assuming I'll need Cinema RAW Development 2.0 to work with the .CRM files which I'm also guessing isn't publicly available.
But what do you do with the raw light if you own a pc? Convert it to a bit mapped format or Open EXR appear to be the only two options in Canon's conversion software. Use DaVinci and there are some indications on line that DNxHR can be produced. After Apple abandoned support for Quicktime on PC's I worry about archival life of some video formats. What's wrong with producing something reasonably compact in say an MXF wrapper? This not too badly priced camera is, in my opinion, let down by the supplied support software. Raw is the future, but this is not the way to get there. Bob.
Raw support will improve hugely over time as companies like adobe, blackmagic and apple finish working on it.
Carl
ProAV TV Hi Carl, thanks for the response. I suppose I'm worried about the here and now. It would have been helpful if Canon's Cinema Development Tool V2 had supported more compact transcodes, even if some of the very high image quality was lost. However, I've just come across what appears to be some C200 raw files that I hope to download and try on the latest Resolve 14 beta. Apparently not all the image parameters can be tweaked, but if it will run on my still reasonably fast i7 that's a big step forward for me with a Camera I otherwise really like a great deal. The eight bit MP4 seems to be getting good reviews as well, so that helps. Reading the C200 specs it looks like HD output is available in 10 bit, unless I have misunderstood, which at my age is a distict possibility! Do you know if I've got this right, or is it eight bit in a ten bit format? Anyway, glad you do have tea and bickies ..... I very much appreciate the honesty in your video's and I will remember that when I do come to make a purchase, currently scheduled for early in the New Year. At the moment it is C200 plays FS5 plays Eva-1 as I need something small and light with good image stabilisation. Cheers. Bob.
Great review! I'm very interested in this camera, but one thing you said made me wonder; HDMI out will be 8-bit only at 4K? Is that also the case with the SDI out? If the upcoming XFAVC codec will also likely be 8-bit then that means shooting RAW internally will likely be the only option for getting 4K 10-bit with this camera? Is that the case? Is there no way to get 4K 10-bit out to an external recorder like an Atomos for example? That's potentially a dealbreaker for me.
Correct. You can get 10 bit 1080p over the HDMI but not 4K.
For that you need the C300 mkII or to shoot in raw on the C200.
Carl
Thank you for your reply. That's something of a disappointment for a camera in this price range though. Particularly given the lack of an internal 10-bit codec inbetween RAW and MP4. Even cheap cameras like GH4/GH5 can output 4K 10-bit 422 so I'm having some difficulty to understand Canon's decision to make this a ''RAW or 8-bit with nothing inbetween'' camera. I suppose 10-bit through HDMI is not something that is likely to be implemented in a future update?
Great video! Can the monitor be mounted on the camera without the handlebar?
Yes, it has a 1/4 inch screw which can be mounted anywhere you like.
Carl
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Might be a silly question, but can you record RAW 4k60p to an external recorder using SSDs? Would certainly help with the large files
Canon has not disappoint me. I have resist moving to Sony FS5 from C100 mark 1 despite all the Sony hype and Canon criticism and has been waiting for a worthy upgrade from Canon. Glad that the c200 has so much upgrade and handle no longer has XLR. Can we mount the LCD onto the body directly without handle?
Glad its ticking boxes for you. I think its a very exciting camera.
Yes, the monitor uses 1/4" threads so can be mounted pretty much anywhere
Carl
I second that. I'm still shooting with my C100 mark 1 and I can see the C200 becoming my A-roll camera and the C100 being my b-roll cam.
How do you think this compares to the FS5? An upgrade? Still not sure about the Sony look...
Depends on your own personal requirements. In some areas its an upgrade, in others its a step back. You just need to figure out which one is going to be better for the types of work you do.
Carl
Hey when do we get to see some of this footage? Love to see some MP4 vs Raw output graded.
Waiting for more software to support the canon raw light before making a main video on here. Otherwise it would go out of date very quickly. In the mean time though I have made some of the footage available to download so you can try it out yourself: www.dropbox.com/sh/g99sjyywq79sgmu/AAAFznyQCMfwPt9qzpRwR_B9a?dl=0
Carl
Very impressed. How's the low-light?
Could really try it much as it was a glorious sunny day in the UK for a change!
When I get more time with the camera i'll do a low light test
I expect it to perform as well as canons other cameras though
Carl
Hello Karl, interesting review & really nice camera.
Do you know the price for this camera.
Also do you know if Canon going to keep its C100 Mark II camera in the line up or discontinue that camera?
Saud Kazi oh of course. The c100 isn't even discontinued. I think they purposely changed the number to distinguish it as a new lineup
C100 MKII is not being discontinued, this fits above it in Canons Lineup, its not a replacement.
Price for the C200 is £6415 exVAT: www.proav.co.uk/canon-eos-c200-4k-cinema-camera
Carl
The c200 seems more feature packed and cheaper than the current c300 MKII, how does Canon justify that ?
Strack9421 not being pretentious. I think you misinterpreted. "It (the c200) fits above it (the c100)
Yeah I edited my question.
I wonder what the options are for recording via the SDI-out? Are they the same, 1080P 10-bit 4:2:2 and 4K 8-bit 4:2:2? Would really love that 4k to be 10-bit out with SDI.
And also, if you'll be able to record RAW out of the SDI. I severely doubt it, if it's a 3G-SDI. It'd be great if I could use my shogun and SSD for that as opposed to buying expensive new media in CFAST2.0 cards.
No raw out of the SDI i'm afraid, only internal.
Carl
Sean Connelly the SDI is FHD only no 4k but its 10 bit 422
I wanna shot a green screen at 120p. and I've got two options: Blackmagic Ursa mini pro 4.6 & C200 ... which one do you recommend?
Owner of a production company here. Is it going to be h.264 .mov? Or .mp4? .mp4 is unusable for professional capture. It just seems you can get a Canon 5DmkIV with a $295 Atomos 422 recorder and achieve the same thing...basically. Except 4:2:0 UHD, and 60p. But both cameras will send HD 4:2:2 out. c200 is $7500 U.S. 5DmkIV is $3300 (and soon with a $99) c-log plus $295 for the recorder. We've used the A7Rii and GH5, and both don't have anywhere near as good color science as Canon, and of course, the Dual Pixel on Canon is amazing, where as the GH5, you're almost stuck with lock-off tripod to stay in focus. If this camera C200 shipped with the XF-AVC internal HD and UHD codec at 10bit, shut the door. But it doesn't. And won't.
Curious as to why .mov would work for you but not .mp4?
It's just a file wrapper, the internal H.264 compression would be exactly the same
Carl
ProAV TV in short, side by side compression tests, as well as capture tests with both codecs (h264 and MP4) have shown increased digital blocks and artifacts in MP4 files making them unusable. Whereas h264, although not ideal has served as a minimal deliverable on non-broadcast projects. We have only used MP4 reliever compression when sending to PC only corporate viewers. With all that said...my original question still remains about the codec being used. But the point about sending a 422 HD signal out can be done with the 5dmkiv same as c200.
Josh Kameyer this is not a complete grasp towards image quality as there are several other factors in it including the sensor. The gh5 uses mp4 files like the c200. the sensor is probably the biggest factor next to bit rate. the c100mk2 uses mp4 and produces amazing images.
the c200 takes the same sensor as the c700 so again simply saying h.624 is better than mp4 (which btw is not the same thing as one is a codecc the other is a wrapper) is no way shape or form an apples to apples comparison.
also yes the 5d mark 4 can send out a 422 subsampling. however there is 2 major difference.
1. 5D4 can't send uhd out the HDMI. the c200 can
2. The c200 can send a 10 bit 422 signal out both the HDMI and SDI in FHD. the 5D4 can only send an 8 bit signal.
Will the super 35mm sensor work with the Sigma Art lenses (18-35mm & 50-100mm, etc) ? Thanks!
Yes it will work perfectly. I think that will be a very popular combination.
Carl
lt'll be interesting to know how good this screen is in bright sunlight. Being a touch screen means it's important that finger oils don't make the screen useless, as with my Sony.
Its always an issue with touchscreens. It helps that its only used to control the AF, rather than the Menus etc. like on some sony and blackmagic cameras.
Carl
okay af works super fine when face is clear without any crazy hairstyle a front of face, im interesting how it's gonna work with dancing fringe a front of face did you have any experience?
Check out other videos of the c300 mark ii using Dual Pixel AF. It's the same system, just with touch screen, so probably even better on this camera. It's astonishing. I own a c100 mark ii and even on that camera, it's crazy good.
It handles it the best I have seen out of any camera out there pretty much.
Right now, if you want a large sensor video camera, the C200, C300 II and C700 will give you the best Autofocus in the industry.
Carl
hi carl, what about the file that came out of it? is it premiere pro ready?
the RAW files are Canon .CRM files which at the moment will only open in Canons own RAW development software, but hopefully third party software will give support quickly.
The MP4 files are simple and easy to open in every editing software out there.
Carl
Nice review...any information about 4K out of the SDI port?
I think its 1080p only via SDI. Not certain though
Carl
Great video. So no internal mic?
Still has an internal mic for scratch audio
Yes, theres one on the body next to the C logo
Carl
The AF features are old news! My XA20 had this system. It should be on every camera, brilliant.
Canons AF has always been strong, but they are constantly improving it. And having AF this good and this controllable on a Super35mm sensor is very impressive.
Carl
ProAV TV impressive that's for sure. Might be swayed back from GH5 one day
Hi, thanks for the review, do you know if the remote options via wifi allow you to set focus point as required for 2nd operator gimbal work?
Wifi was not working fully yet in the pre-production unit I had here. But I believe it will let you do just that yes.
Carl
What are the video/audio out options, is the signal clean? Can the C200 record 10bit to a Shogun Inferno at 4K 60P and 1080 120P?
Michael Krauss it can do 10 bit 422 in FHD and 8 bit 422 in UHD
No high frame rates on the HDMI i'm afraid. You'd need a data only stream from the SDI port like the fs5 has for that I believe.
Carl
Thanks!
Hey, did you shoot any raw footage? Is it possible for you to share any sample shots?
A video on the raw footage is coming soon.
Carl
We have uploaded some original footage straight from the camera for you to have a look at and try out. Please bear in mind that this is from a pre-release camera and so image improvements might be made by the time the camera ships.
You can download the footage here: www.dropbox.com/sh/g99sjyywq79sgmu/AAAFznyQCMfwPt9qzpRwR_B9a?dl=0
Carl
Has Canon announced pricing on the C200 yet?
£6,000.
Thank you! I was excited about this camera, but at that price point I don't see any reason to get this over the Ursa Mini Pro.
autofocus which is so good that you almost dont need a focus puller especially useful for gimbals not only that it can be controlled via WIFI on a phone or tablet, lowlight capabilities destroy any of the BM line cameras, try shooting 10,000 iso and tell me the image is even comparable, canon has the second best colour profile in the world, this camera is pick up and play, the battery is lighter and lasts longer than BM, canon has more reliable cameras than BM, this is a more compact camera and easier to use.
id rather buy a camera that works extremely well in many condition than one plagued with problems by a company who churns out new cameras with problems like magenta..
I can guarantee that most productions will opt for the c200 that says something, the industry knows something you dont, specs arent everything.
how come? it may come down to the country. here in australia the ursa mini pro is $9000 so if the c200 is $10,500 or less than I'll be piking on up instead of the blackmagic (given the af, lowlight and lighter weight for glidecam use)
Unfortunately it seems to be priced at AU$12,000.00. At least if you go off VideoCraft's pricing.
I can't see an internal mic, like the one on the handle of the c100.
Theres one on the body of the camera. Only recommended for reference audio though.
Carl
Thanks for the reply. Well, that's something to be considered then. You will need to mount an external mic.
hi thx for review , slow motion recording sound to ?
regards Darius
No sound in slow motion, like on most cameras.
Carl
Hi Carl, I've just tried Canon raw light development software on a PC to process Canon .crm files. What I get is no output options, only a folder full of .dpx bitmapped files, each 38 Mbytes, one per frame. Unless I'm doing something wrong this is unmanageable for me. My understanding is that it is not possible to change white balance using say, DaVinci Resolve. Pity, it looked such a nice camera otherwise. Please folks, don't tell me to buy a Mac - I'll ask you to pay for it! If I've missed something (quite liklely!) then do let me know. I really like this camera otherwise. Bob.
+Robert Hawtin Your right, windows support for the canon raw is lacking at the moment. Hopefully the situation will change very soon as canon update their software & davinci, premiere and final cut provide support
Hopefully it's not awkward for long!
Carl
do you have raw footage we can color?
I do, but at the moment no software can support it. I'll look at making it downloadable in the future
Carl
Davinci supports it! Any shot you can upload one clip? I just want to torture test it!
I want the raw-footage too, to test it ... please
We have uploaded some original footage straight from the camera for you to have a look at and try out. Please bear in mind that this is from a pre-release camera and so image improvements might be made by the time the camera ships.
You can download the footage here: www.dropbox.com/sh/g99sjyywq79sgmu/AAAFznyQCMfwPt9qzpRwR_B9a?dl=0
Carl
The RAW Lite will work in DaVinci Resolve 14
whats the best type of hard rive to deal with the data from raw?!
As fast as possible
Carl
Does it record 422 10 bit 120p with an external recorder?
Nope
is it still possible to use the AF in daylight when using the ND filters.
Definitely, I had ND on for all shots in this.
Carl
ProAV TV thanks Carl - it's actually the C100MK2 I'm interested in - I imagine it's AF is the same.
Does 120fps have line skipping?
Not certain i'm afraid. We dont think so, but it hasn't been confirmed from Canon yet.
Carl
Release date?
Hopefully shipping in the second half of July
Carl
They better come out with a c100 mark iii at much affordable price! This is exciting news for people who are above entry and intermediate level, but this still is very expensive if this is suppose to be their competition against a7sii/gh5. The c100 with only 1080 60p and internal nd as a + for $4,000 is ridiculously out of date. Great camera, but way overpriced.
TheResonating its not competing against them. its competing against the FS5, FS7, Ursa Mini Pro and the Panasonic Camera that will be announced at the end of this week.
the camera competing against those are the 1Dxmarkii and 5Dmark4
Yeah and the 1dx markii is only $1,500 less than the c200 and the 5d is crap for video. So there's no option right now from canon that even competes with the sony a7sii and gh5
TheResonating I guess not but I am not sure canon cares about that market segment for video. those are at best prosumer cameras and consumer cameras in actuality. Canon is more focus on making pro level cinema grade cameras for their video products
Well they certainly for a while invested a decent amount of time for the c100 and dslr revolution. There's no reason why they can't make a 3 to 4,000 dollar camera that has 1080p 120fps and 24p 4k without 5dmk4 crop style . The c100 mark iii should have these specs, and canon is missing out on dominating the market at the entry/intermediate level. Its just very frustrating to be stuck with terrible colors and micro four thirds sensor, but yet have such amazing specs, and not have even a 4k 60p or at least a 1080p 120fps option from a intermediate canon camera.
This camera doesnt make sense... The GH5 has more recording options and looks just as good for way less. Even the jvc ls300 is almost identical in specs with 8 bit internal. So the extra costs gets you a odd version of raw? thats it? Maybe im just silly, but it feels like a cam that'll be forgotten about in a month
4K raw, best autofocus in the industry, canons colour science.
This camera has many advantages over the GH5 and LS300
I promise you this wont be forgotten about in a month. Its shaping up to be Canons most popular video camera for a while
Carl
any word on north america pricing?
Cinema5D mentioned $9K though others mention $10K range and conversion from CVP's listed prices places it closer to $8K...
www.proav.co.uk/canon-eos-c200-4k-cinema-camera
Price estimate?
Ali Divided $7,500 for the full set $6,000 for the body alone like a Red
www.proav.co.uk/canon-eos-c200-4k-cinema-camera
Interesting move from Canon.
No excitement from anyone who has used any form of Canon raw before tho lol
So far canon raw has been fairly high end, C500, C700 etc.
Carl
True. And it hasn't been as good as other raw codecs such as R3D or cinema DNG.
Hence the apprehension at a "light" version of an already poor raw codec :)
Not reallyy an impressive camera. codec sucks
too heavy, too bulky, and who the fuck needs some strange raw light files hidden in sub sub folders ? on youtube everything looks the same. i dont know who is this model designed for, amaterus end semi pros will choose 5d , pro users will choose red, professional narrative cinematographers will choose ARRI , nothing's gonna change that
Marcin Cedro run and gun filmmakers and documentaries. there's so many features this camera has that pros and semi pro will take in a heart beat over the 5D and who can't afford a red.
i wouldn't call c200 run&gun type of camera, the same as c100 and c300 - it's too big, has low ergonomy (even if it looks like everything can be conroled from outside of the body), has too many protruding cables and other components, too many "same shaped" buttons, noisy fan, and to initiate recording it takes about 10 seconds since the power button is switched (the same as previewing the recording files...unacceptable (in 5d you can do it immefiately) and Red Scarlet costs less then c200 . Anyway, I am not fun of red or canon...simply don't understand what was the reason to create this kind of camera..it's not a film camera, it's not a run and gun camera, it's not a discrete/lightweihgt camera for amateurs, so who will wi using it?
I will tell you - wedding cinematographers who wants to look more professional then they acutally are
Marcin Cedro wow idk how we are seeing the same camera? Not run and gun? low ergonomics? the c-line is some of the most ergonomically built cameras in the industry. you clearly have never used one. ergonomics does not mean small and compact like a DSLR or mirrorless camera I hope you know that. really red scarlet cost anywhere between 15k-20k the c200 is max 7,500 half the cost at the scarlets lowest value. if you used any the c-line cameras you know the fan is a none issue. the red cameras are far more noisy than the c cameras.
please tell me what a run and gun camera is in your eyes?
please take a look at second hand red scarlet (not dragon) or older red one version....they are prices at 3-6k USD
you are asking me " what a run and gun camera is in your eyes?"
run and gun = immediate boot up (casue you can miss the important shot, time is money)
run and gun = intuitive control in all conditions (even if there completely dark and I can only acces the buttons and recognize them by their shape) and without the need to change menu settings during the recording (like fps, soft manual WB control / shutter controll / PP profile controll etc)
run and gun = AUTO MODE/AV/TV mode function to record in extremely dynamically changing conditions/action when interference in settings or manual cotrol is impossible or not recommended for proper recording
run and gun = good quality buil in mic (like in some ENG camcorders)
run and gun = SMALL SIZE or ability to decrease its size to something similar to DSLR because in some conditions it is decisive as some professions / recordings require discretion or require installation of the camera in ultra tight spaces
I was using c100 for about a 1,5 year and I realy hated this camera I really appreciate 5d more than c100 even if it hasn't got so many functions.
The last good camcorder from canon is XH-A1 - It is a shame that canon did improve this model to the needs of the contemporary market
Sounds like you have found that smaller DSLR style cameras work better for your own work. Fine, get a 5D, a7s or GH5 and you'll be very happy.
Please dont try and tell everyone else in the industry that they should think the same. Many users have found a more traditional video camera like the C100, C300, FS5, FS7 etc. works far better ergonomically for their work.
Different people need different things from their cameras, theres no one camera for everyone.
I think the C200 is going to fit a lot of peoples needs though, its going to be a popular camera
Carl